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A
Let's
get
started
welcome
to
the
fourth
meeting
of
the
interim
joint
committee
on
tourism,
small
business
and
information
technology
for
the
2020
interim,
I'm
going
to
ask
sashi
to
call
the
roll.
I
ask
each
member
when
their
answer
roll,
to
indicate
in
the
response
whether
they
are
here
in
my
front
here
here
in
my
frankfurt
office
or
here
remotely
also
after
you've
answered
please
re-mute
yourself.
We've
had
a
lot
of
people
over
talking
I've
heard
in
some
communities
sasha.
Please
call
row.
F
B
F
B
B
A
President
room
and
also,
I
think,
congratulations
go
out
to
mr
schroeder.
He
and
his
wife
just
had
a
new
new
baby.
So
congratulations,
sir.
We
miss
you,
but
I
also
understand
you've
got
your
priorities
in
the
right
place
for
those.
A
You're
welcome,
sir,
for
those
of
you
participating
remotely
our
committee
staff
is
monitoring
the
chat
function
in
the
zoom
application.
If
you
have
a
question
or
want
to
make
a
comment,
please
indicate
in
the
chat
box.
You
would
like
to
ask
a
question
or
make
a
comment.
You
can
also
let
staff
know
that
you
are
present
in
the
check
box.
If
we
didn't
get
you
during
the
roll
call,
if
you
are
again
if
you're
participating
remotely,
please
keep
your
microphone
muted
unless
you're
speaking
meeting
materials
are
available.
A
A
I'm
sorry
about
that.
We
need
a
motion
and
a
second
for
approved
eminence
from
a
previous
meeting.
A
K
K
If
the
name
lindsey
crunk
sounds
familiar
in
2018
house
bill,
147,
also
known
as
the
lindsay
crunk
act
made
history
as
the
first
in
the
country
to
pass
the
seizure,
safe
schools
act
requiring
requiring
teachers
to
be
trained
in
seizure.
First
aid
seizure
action
plans
for
students
with
epilepsy
as
well.
K
K
K
K
K
K
She
faced
job
discrimination
at
a
local
business
that
set
her
up
to
fail
from
the
get-go,
and
I
didn't
take
this
lightly
for
seven
years
now.
Every
aspect
of
our
lives
have
been
centered
on
keeping
lindsay
as
safe
as
possible
wherever
she
may
be.
Lindsay's
life,
as
a
young
woman
out
in
the
real
world
is
here.
K
I
want
her
and
others
battling
epilepsy
to
truly
have
an
equal
opportunity
to
feel
safe
in
any
environment.
They
may
be
in
whether
in
school,
the
workforce,
everywhere
epilepsy
has
remained
on
the
back
burner
for
far
too
long.
The
lack
of
education
about
seizure
first
aid
and
epilepsy
is
one
of
the
many
reasons
why
why
the
stigma
still
exists
as
a
not
so
normal
mom
and
a
concerned
citizen
of
kentucky.
K
K
L
L
L
M
My
name
is
deb
mcgrath
and
I
am
the
executive
director
and
co-founder
of
the
epilepsy
foundation
of
kentuckiana,
and
I
applaud
lindsay
and
sydney
cindy
for
being
here
today
to
share
their
story
on
epilepsy,
and
I
appreciate
your
attention
and
your
willingness
to
support,
not
only
them,
but
so
many
other
families
that
are
affected.
M
M
So
many
don't
and
that's
why
this
legislation
is
so
important.
Many
if
not
all
of
you
have
been
trained
in
cpr,
because
it's
imp,
it's
important,
to
know
how
to
properly
attend.
To
someone
having
a
heart
event,
would
you
be
shocked
to
know
that
more
people
have
seizures
in
public
than
heart
attacks?
M
M
In
contrast,
not
everyone
with
a
heart
condition
is
prone
to
a
cardiac
arrest.
However,
more
attention
is
placed
on
heart
events
than
seizures,
not
to
mention
there
are
so
many
stigmas
and
misperceptions
associated
with
epilepsy.
One
reason,
as
cindy
pointed
out,
the
lack
of
education
of
the
general
public
and
not
knowing
what
to
do
for
the
person
having
the
seizure
when
most
people
think
of
epilepsy,
they
think
of
a
grand
mal
seizure,
also
known
as
a
generalized
tonoclonic
seizure.
However,
this
is
only
one
type
of
epilepsy.
M
There
are
many
different
types
and
many
kinds
of
seizures
associated
with
this
neurological
condition.
A
report
conducted
by
the
epilepsy
foundation
of
america
states
that
the
leading
non-medical
problem
confronting
people
with
epilepsy
is
the
discrimination
in
education,
employment
and
social
acceptance.
M
M
Since
then,
we
have
educated
the
epilepsy
foundation
kentucky
and
I
have
educated
65
over
65
000
teachers,
counselors
and
principals,
because
you
all
helped
ensure
the
safety
of
students
like
lindsay
and
because
of
that.
11
states
have
since
followed
in
kentucky's
footsteps
and
passed
their
own
seizure
state
seizure,
smart
legislation
for
adults,
with
epilepsy,
working
in
the
for
adults
with
epilepsy
in
the
workforce,
including
graduated
students,
who
have
been
supported
by
seizure,
smart
schools.
M
The
seizure
first
aid
poster
will
be
a
visual
to
aid,
their
employer
and
other
employees
in
knowing
what
to
do
in
the
event
of
a
seizure
in
their
workplace,
whether
they
themselves
be
the
employer.
An
employee,
a
customer,
young
or
old,
a
resident
or
whatever
the
case
might
be.
Everyone
in
a
place
of
business,
large
or
small,
should
be
made
aware
of
how
to
properly
respond
to
a
seizure
and
hanging
a
seizure.
First,
aid
poster
is
as
simple
as
it
gets.
M
M
How
can
anyone
be
opposed
to
something
this
simple
lindsay
and
every
kentuckian
with
epilepsy
deserves
to
know
that
their
employer
cares
enough
for
them
to
know
how
and
what
to
do
if
they
were
to
have
a
seizure
while
on
the
job
or
a
customer
in
their
place
of
business
or
in
a
facility?
Wouldn't
you
want
this
for
yourself
or
a
loved
one
lindsay,
and
sydney
lindsey
and
cindy
have
bravely
shared
their
epilepsy
journey.
They
are
just
one
of
thousands
of
working
families
who
are
dealing
with
epilepsy
and
the
consequences
of
seizures
in
kentucky.
M
Thank
you
again
for
your
time
and
attention
to
our
request
for
seizure,
safe
workplace
places
in
kentucky,
and
I
want
to
thank
representative
hart
for
giving
us
this
opportunity
to
be
here
today
and
he
championed
he
and
representative
pratt
championed
the
seizure
seizure,
smart
school
legislation
in
2018,
and
I
do
truly
hope
that
you
know,
along
with
every
one
of
you,
that
we
can
do
that
again
in
2022
to
help
protect
individuals
with
epilepsy.
A
You
for
your
testimony
today
we
do
have
a
question
co-chair
king.
Please.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
for
presenters
for
being
here
today.
Yes,
epilepsy
does
directly
affect
my
family.
I
haven't
had
the
opportunity
yet
to
go
through
your
brochure
and
your
information.
I
was
wondering
if
your
education
piece
and
your
notification
poster
do
they
differentiate
between
petty
mall
and
grand
mall.
My
family
member
suffers
with
petty
mall
and
I
know
that's
different
than
grand
mal,
so
I
just
didn't
know
if,
if
your
approach
would
help
educate
on
what
what
she
suffered.
M
Well,
they
they
would
actually
because
on
number
one,
it
says
stay
with
the
person
until
they
are
awake
and
alert
after
the
seizure.
So
you
want
to
time
the
seizure
you
want
to
remain
calm
and
you
want
to
check
for
a
medical
id
so
for
individuals
that
are
having
petty
mole
or
what
are
called
also
called
opsan
seizures
is
many
times.
The
seizure
is
very
brief
and
there's
no
first
aid
that
needs
to
be
administered
during
that
type
of
seizure.
M
However,
for
a
generalized
tonochlonic
or
a
grand
mal
seizure,
there
would
be
a
seizure
first
aid
that
would
be
appropriate
to
administer,
and
that
would
be
number
three
turn
the
person
on
their
side
stay
with
them.
Until
they
are
awake,
you
know
call
911,
especially
if
it's
a
first-time
seizure.
You
know
if
you're
in
the
workplace-
and
you
know,
individuals
with
epilepsy-
are
protected
under
the
ada,
so
they
do
not
have
to
inform
their
employer
that
they
have
epilepsy.
M
We
encourage
them
once
they
begin
their
employment
to
inform
their
their
employer
just
in
case,
but
wherever
they
might
be.
You
know
this
is
just
a
simple
protocol
to
follow.
In
the
event,
a
seizure
might
happen
and
again,
representative
king,
there
are
many
different
seizure
types
and
and
and
syndromes
associated
with
epilepsy.
So
thank
you
for
sharing
your
personal
personal
connection.
I
appreciate
that.
B
N
Thank
you,
yeah.
I
was
kind
of
wondering
about
the
poster
because
I
think,
unless
I
was
more
familiar
with
it,
I'd
the
vast
majority
of
people,
maybe
don't
know
what
they're
seeing
when
they're
seeing
someone
having
a
seizure
correct
and
is
that,
because
I
was
looking
through
the
safe
schools
act
and
there
was
or
not
safe
schools
whatever
it
was.
E
N
M
Well,
thank
you
very
much
senator
southworth
for
asking
that,
because,
yes,
the
up
the
the
epilepsy
foundation
does
offer
we,
we
provide
a
certified
it's
a
certification,
training
on
seizure,
first
aid
and
and
seizures
in
itself
just
general
seizure,
first
aid
knowledge
and
how
to
administer
first
aid
to
some
of
the
different
types
of
more
known
types
of
seizures.
M
So
we
do
that
through
the
national
epilepsy
foundation,
we
offer
that
twice
a
month
on
a
training
the
national
epilepsy
foundation
offers
it
also
multiple
times
we
promote
that
through
our
newsletters.
That
is
in
your
in
your
folder
and
also
through
our
social
media
outreach,
and
we
are
here
to
be
a
support
service
for
the
general
public
and
individuals
with
epilepsy.
M
So
we
would
welcome
anybody
to
take
the
training
program
because
it
is
vital
in
in
knowing
how
to
you
know
how
to
identify
first
of
all,
what
several
epileptic
seizures
look
like
and
then
also
what
to
do.
In
the
event
you
might
see
someone
have
a
seizure
so.
N
As
a
follow-up,
is
there
gonna
be
anything
for
I'm
just
trying
to
think
if
you're,
you
know
lindsay
blows
into
the
new
job,
and
maybe
she
is
more
on
top
of
things.
Maybe
you
inform
somebody,
but
maybe
not
every
single
co-worker
knows,
or
I
mean
something
happens
right.
Somebody
else
doesn't
know
and
they're
also
19.
N
Never
seen
this
before
and
they
have
no
idea
what
they're
even
seeing
so
they
don't
know
that
the
posts
poster
on
the
wall
is
what
they
need
to
go
refer
to.
Is
there
something
I
mean,
and
the
problem
is
see.
How
do
you
describe
you
know
it's
like
symptoms
of
covid
everything
in
the
list
right
symptoms
of
seizures
right,
but
I
mean.
Is
there
a
way
to
somehow
get
a
short
list
of?
If
you
see
someone
spacey
now
eyes
rolled
back
or
not
being
responsive
when
they've
always
been,
you
know
like?
Is
there
things.
M
What
we
can
do
is
actually
create
that
create
a
document
that
will
kind
of
describe
what
the
different
seizure
types
look
like
and
then
have
it
available
with
the
poster.
So
that
way-
and
you
know
that
way,
the
business
will
have
that,
along
with
the
poster,
so
that
way
that
it
can
be
posted,
you
know
together
with,
and
then
it
is
more
explanatory.
As
of
what
to
look
for
in
the.
N
M
N
M
M
Right
right
and
then
also
just
keep
in
mind,
please
that
while
you,
we
have
153
000
children,
adults
and
veterans
living
with
epilepsy
in
kentuckians
in
in
kentucky
and
southern
indiana.
The
area
that
we
cover,
but
anybody
can
have
a
seizure
at
any
time,
does
not
mean
to
say
that
you're
you'll
be
diagnosed
with
epilepsy,
but
one
in
ten
of
us
can
have
a
seizure
at
any
time
and
so
for
the
general
public.
That's
you
know.
What
do
you
do?
M
N
O
I
don't
so
much
have
a
question
or
well
do.
How
are
the
public
going
to
distinguish
between
an
athletic
seizure
and
a
drug
overdose?
We
are
seeing
so
much
drug
overdose
in
schools,
colleges
in
the
public
in
general,
and
it
would
be
a
concern
for
him
to
narcan
someone
who's
having
an
epileptic
seizure
versus
a
drug
overdose.
M
That
I
I
really
I
would
not
know
how
to
respond
to
that,
because
we're
not
we
don't
work
with
individuals
that
you
know
have
have
experienced
drug
overdoses.
So
that's
not
an
area
of
expertise
that
I
have.
I
know
that
individuals
who
do.
M
Who
are
on
drugs?
Who
who
are
on
drugs
and
also
use
alcohol,
that
they
can
also
have
a
seizure
just
like
somebody
with
diabetes,
that
they
can
also
have
a
seizure
if
their
blood
sugar
drops
too
low
or
goes
too
high,
but
to
associate
you
know
if,
if
it's
an,
if
it's
a
seizure
again,
I
I
really
appreciate
and
and
like
what
representative
southworth
said
and
having
some
type
of
documentation
there
with
it.
So
hopefully
that
would
then
you
know
be
helpful.
O
Absolute
illustration:
yes,
just
you
know
knowing
the
difference
correct,
if
it's,
you
know
an
athletic
seizure
or
you
know
something
to
do.
That's
drug-related,
so
yeah.
I
just
think
it
would
be
difficult
for
the
everybody
generalizes
now
if
they
see
an
event
that
because
there
is
so
much
drug
use
and
overdose
and
so
forth,
not
saying
by
any
means,
but
it
would
just
terrify
me
if
my
child
was
an
epileptic
that
something
could
an
event
happen
like
that.
So
thank
you,
yeah
and
thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank.
D
O
A
Wait
wait
a
second
I'll
get
you
in
line
here
in
a
second
hold
on
representative
brown
and
we'll.
Let
you
reply
mark
here
in
a
second
thank.
P
You
all
right,
thank
you
for
the
poster.
I
think
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
My
question
relates
to
the
last
item.
Do
not
and-
and
I
think
from
what
I
know
what
little
I
know
do
not
restrain
and
the
second.
The
second
do
not
is
the
one
that
concerns
me,
do
not
put
any
objects
in
their
mouth
and
and
rescue
medications
can
be
given
if
prescribed,.
D
M
Yes,
yes,
so,
and
for
for
individuals
who
have
expressed
to
their
employer
that
they
have
epilepsy,
that
I
have
rescue
medication
on
my
person
and
that
rescue
medication
for
an
adult
can
be
a
nasal
spray
or
it
can
be
also
a
a
wafer
that
someone
can
put
just
inside
their
cheek
area
and
it
dissolves
immediately
and
that's
to
stop
the
seizure
from
continuing.
M
Normally
you
give
the
rescue
medication
three
minutes
to
five
minutes
after
the
seizure
has
started
if
it
doesn't
stop
on
its
own
so
and
the
seizure
first
aid
poster
itself.
You
know
it's
a
visual
to
help
individuals
in
lots
of
different
settings
to
understand
what
to
do
and
what
not
to
do.
You
know
if
someone
were
to
have
a
seizure,
so
do
not
that
it
is
an
old
myth.
M
It's
an
old
wise
tale
that
you
put
something
in
the
person's
mouth
that
can
injure
them
even
more,
and
you
know
some
people
have
had
their
finger
bitten
and
broken
and
because
of
not
realizing,
that's
that's
not
what
you
do,
but
you
know
I
remember
growing
up
with
that's
what
you
do.
If
you
see
somebody
have
a
seizure,
you
put
your
finger
and
you
put
your
you
know
something
in
their
mouth
and
but
it
is
an
old
wives
tale.
M
So
and-
and
I
I
think
that
again,
like
you
said
representative
brown,
having
information
like
that,
you
know
to
go
along
with
the
the
piece
that
would
accommodate
or
accompany
that
the
seizure
first
aid
poster
would
be
most
helpful.
Yeah.
A
Thank
you,
sir,
and
our
last
question
or
response
against
our
question.
We
representative
hart.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
wanted
to
clarify
a
little
bit
for
representative
mccormick
as
a
paramedic.
I
can.
I
can
testify
firsthand
on
this.
The
big
calling
911
is
the
most
important
thing
that
you
can
do
off
of
this
poster
for
situations
that
you
just
brought
up
your
paramedics,
your
emts,
your
firefighters
and
a
lot
of
your
policemen
are
trained
to
recognize
certain
criteria
before
they
would
administer
either
narcan
something
for
a
blood
sugar
situation,
or,
in
this
case
the
seizure.
D
So
the
most
important
thing
to
do
in
regards
to
them
types
of
situations
and
and
maybe
not
knowing
what
to
do-
is
to
call
911
as
soon
as
possible
and
get
the
paramedics
and
emts
there,
because
they
will
know
how
to
recognize
whether
it's
a
drug
overdose,
a
blood
sugar
issue
or
a
seizure
and
they'll
be
able
to
react
appropriately.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
clarify
a
little
bit.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
sir
appreciate
everyone.
Thank
you
guys
for
your
testimony
day,
as
you
can
tell
us,
is
very
important,
very,
very
interesting
and
knowledgeable
without
doubt.
It's
I've
learned
a
lot
about
epilepsy
since
we
started
the
bill
in
2018.
A
We
look
forward
to
hearing
seeing
this
bill
proceed
in
in
the
next
session.
Thank
you
guys
very
much
and
appreciate
your
testimony.
A
Going
to
ask
our
as
they
leave
the
table
our
next
brazilians
to
come
up,
I
think
tyler,
campbell
and
telecom
association.
Will
you
approach
the
desk,
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
please
proceed.
Q
Thank
you,
chairman
pratt
co-chair
king
and
co-chair
schroeder,
and
members
of
the
committee
for
being
here.
As
chairman
pratt
said,
my
name
is
tyler
campbell.
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
kentucky
telecom
association,
I'm
here
today,
just
to
briefly
discuss
with
you
some
ongoing
concerns
that
our
association
has
had
with
open
fiber
kentucky.
Q
Also
now
known
as
and
I
will
say,
many
of
the
concerns
that
we
are
expressing
here
today
are
not
new
they're,
rather
a
continuation
of
the
concerns
our
association
members
have
had
since
the
inception
of
the
kentucky
wired
project.
Almost
seven
years
ago,
last
week
I
submitted
a
letter
to
the
committee
with
the
permission
of
the
chairman
and
committee
staff
outlining
some
of
these
concerns
so
that
the
material
is
available
to
you.
So
I'll
aim
to
be
brief.
Q
Based
on
that
letter
and
we'll
just
provide
a
few
additional
comments
here
today
for
consideration
by
the
committee,
the
kentucky
telecom
association
for
those
of
you
that
may
not
know
we
represent
kentucky's
community-based
rural
broadband
providers.
Our
regular
telecom
members
include
16
rural
telecom
cooperatives
and
small
commercial
companies
that
provide
a
wide
range
of
services
to
our
customers,
which
includes
broadband
phone
video
wireless
services
and
as
well
as
home
security
services.
Q
Our
member
companies
provide
broadband
services
to
all
or
part
of
45
counties
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
meaning
we
serve
more
than
one-third
of
the
counties
in
the
state
as
community-based
providers.
We
work
to
serve
our
local
community
members
and
residents
with
world-class
broadband
and
first-class
customer
service.
Q
As
I
previously
stated,
the
kentucky
telecom
association
has
discussed
our
concerns
with
kentucky
wired
and
open
fiber
kentucky
with
the
general
assembly
in
the
past.
Despite
our
concerns,
we
realized
that
through
two
previous
administrations
here
in
the
commonwealth,
that
the
project
was
not
going
to
be
halted
and
kcna
was
obviously
having
trouble
meeting
some
of
those
project
milestones.
Our
member
companies
did
find
ways
to
partner
with
kcna
to
build
the
state's
middle
mile
network
and
many
of
the
rural
counties.
Q
Our
member
companies
serve
as
part
of
the
partnership
agreement
to
help
construct
fiber
into
these
counties.
Companies
received
a
right
of
first
refusal
from
the
commonwealth,
allowing
our
member
companies
the
ability
to
serve
those
broadband
customers
being
brought
onto
the
state
network
within
some
of
our
service
territories.
Q
Now
open,
fiber
kentucky,
which
is
now
also
known
as
a
telecom,
is
starting
to
push
back
on
this
right
of.
First
refusal
based
on
proposals
that
they're
making
in
areas
already
served
by
our
kta
members,
the
ability
of
a
silicon
to
use
the
kentucky
wired
network
to
cherry
pick.
The
easiest
customers
to
serve
has
been
a
major
concern
of
our
association
since
the
project
was
announced,
and
now
we
are
seeing.
Many
of
these
concerns
material
materialize
with
their
attempts
to
sell
internet
services
to
key
businesses
in
rural
areas
already
served
by
our
member
companies.
Q
We
have
heard
on
multiple
occasions
here
in
frankfurt
that
a
silicon
is
not
the
state
and
it
is
not
kentucky
wired
kta
and
our
members
feel
it
is
important
to
point
out
to
the
members
of
the
general
assembly
that
a
silicon
again,
which
is
the
name
open
fiber
kentucky,
is
doing.
Business
with
in
kentucky
is
the
wholesale
arm
of
the
original
kentucky
wired
contract
with
macquarie
capital
and
kcna.
Q
As
a
silicon
continues
to
bid
on
providing
last
mile
broadman
services.
It
remains
a
concern
to
our
member
companies
that
many
of
these
projects
do
not
fall
within
areas
that
are
deemed
unserved
or
underserved.
Now
I
want
to
make
it
very
clear
and
please
understand
our
member
companies
are
not
anti-competition.
Q
Our
members
compete
with
cable
providers,
municipal
utility
providers,
wireless
providers
and
satellite
providers
in
many
of
the
areas
we
serve
in
kentucky.
Not
only
do
kta
companies
provide
robust
broadband
in
these
lower
cost
competitive
areas,
but
our
companies
are
also
committed
to
providing
service
in
some
of
the
highest
cost
areas.
In
the
state
of
kentucky
repeatedly.
We
and
the
public
have
been
told
that
kentucky
wired
would
not
compete
with
our
private
sector
internet
service
providers.
Q
Kta
believes
it
is
important
for
members
of
the
kentucky
general
assembly
to
understand
that
a
silicon
is
essentially
doing
just
that.
If
a
silicon
continues
to
pursue
existing
large
commercial
and
industrial
customers
in
rural
areas
of
the
commonwealth,
that
our
members
already
serve,
it
will
remove
revenue
from
our
rural
fiber
networks
and
make
it
even
more
difficult
to
deploy
broadband
in
the
most
high
cost
areas
of
the
state.
Q
The
bipartisan
federal
infrastructure
package
being
debated
in
congress,
as
well
as
the
funds
from
the
american
rescue
plan
act
that
was
passed
earlier
this
year,
rightly
target
unserved
and
underserved
areas
of
the
country.
First
for
expanded
broadband
access.
Kta
supports
those
efforts
and
believes
this
remains
the
best
approach
to
close
the
digital
divide.
Q
It
is
our
hope
that,
as
the
wholesale
provider
for
a
state-owned
network
as
telecom
will
concentrate
their
efforts
to
provide
broadband
services
to
areas
of
the
commonwealth
that
remain
unserved
or
underserved,
rather
than
cherry
picking.
Last
mile
services
in
areas
already
served
with
fiber
to
the
premise
networks
by
our
member
companies
as
rural
telecom,
cooperatives
and
small
commercial
providers.
It
remains
a
challenge
to
build
out
fiber
networks
in
some
of
the
most
remote
areas
of
the
commonwealth.
Q
Q
However,
a
subsidized
state-owned
network
provider
threatening
to
overbuild
areas
of
the
commonwealth
that
are
already
served
with
fiber,
does
nothing
to
to
further
the
pursuit
of
that
goal.
With
that,
mr
chairman
I'll
pause,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
appreciate
again
the
opportunity
to
to
be
here
in
front
of
you
all
if
you
do
have
any
questions
at
this
time,
I'll
do
my
best
to
answer
them.
If
I
don't
have
an
answer,
I
will
do
my
best
to
get
get
you
those
answers.
A
Well,
we
do
have
a
question
already
sandra
mcdaniel.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
tyler,
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
I
do
appreciate
it
and
you'll
recall
that
you
know
we
were
all
told
throughout
the
course
of
this
project,
how
inexpensive
it
would
be,
which
clearly
did
not
I'm
back
up
to
kentucky
wired
now
to
turn
out
not
to
be
the
truth.
We
told
that
these
folks
would
not
be
involved
in
providing
last
mile
service
and
many
other
things.
Q
Yes,
chairman
daniel
again,
I
don't
have-
and
again
I
I
will
say
this:
we
we
represent
rural
broadband
providers,
so
I'm
not
a
lawyer,
but
I'm
going
to
make
a
very
lawyerly
statement
here.
I
I
cannot
speak
for
another
another
group
in
terms
of
what
their
agreements
were,
but,
as
I
understand
it,
that
was
that
that
purchase
was
recently
finalized
where
cincinnati
bell
was
purchased
by
macquarie
capital.
I
believe,
as
an
affiliate
called
red
plant
fiber
or
something
along
those
lines.
Q
So
macquarie
does
have
assets
in
in
northern
kentucky
for
as
a
telco
in
northern
kentucky.
C
Thank
you
tyler
and,
mr
chairman.
I
would
just
caution
the
members
of
this
committee
that,
if
you
think
for
a
minute
that
the
purchases
will
stop
there
or
with
any
of
these
or
that
they
have
any
particular
heartburn
about
pushing
the
rural
telecom
straight
out
of
business
you're
sorely
mistaken,
and
there
are
not
enough
guardrails
on
this.
There
have
never
been
enough
guardrails
on
this,
and
if
you
like,
your
rural
telecom,
you
better
start
paying
attention,
because
the
intent
will
be
that
they
go
away.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank.
Q
And
I
apologize
there,
I
did
put
both
definitions
in
here
and
that's
the
reference
under
unserved,
as
the
federal
definition
right
now
means
without
25.3
kentucky
with
its
state
broadband
grant
program
that
was
just
passed
in
the
2020
session
and
recently
funded
with
the
arpa
funds,
makes
a
distinction,
so
unserved
was
10-1
or
less
underserved
being
25-3
or
less
so
I
apologize
for
any
confusion.
I
did
reference
both,
but
that's
more
the
kentucky
specific
definitions.
Q
If
you're
looking
for
the
fcc
definition,
it's
25
megs
up
three
down
for
or
I'm
sorry
25
down,
three
up
for
the
definition
of
unserved.
A
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you
ma'am,
I'm
sorry,
representative
beckler.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
tyler.
I
agree
with
your
assessment
about
open
fire,
open,
fiber,
kentucky
and
telecom,
and
we
have
to
be
careful
and
kind
of
tag
teaming
on
to
what
senator
mcdaniel
said.
I
do
think
that
we,
we
must
be
careful,
however,
there's
always
a
however
or
a
but
right
yeah.
F
F
I
know
in
my
area
the
big
argument
is-
and
I
have
a
great
techs
who
have
helped
me
out
tremendously,
but
in
my
area
I
am
clearly
underserved
by
both
definitions
by
both
the
federal
and
and
the
state,
and
the
carrier
seems
to
have
no
desire
to
upgrade
their
system,
because
there
are
so
few
people,
they
say
that
will
utilize
it.
So
I
think
that
you
all
need
to
step
up
your
work
as
well.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Q
Mr
chairman,
do
you
care
if
I
respond
just
briefly
go
ahead?
Please
representative
beckler.
I
think
our
members
agree
with
you
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
doing
that.
In
on
many
fronts,
we
have
members
who
are
aggressively
pursuing
loans
from
usda
through
the
rural
utility
service
program,
they're
they're,
the
reconnect
program
which
many
of
you
may
be
familiar
with.
That
was
a
part
of
the
farm
bill.
Q
I
get
the
frustration
of
many
folks
in
rural
areas
because
we
hear
those
I
mean
I
get
a
phone
call
quite
a
bit
like
do
you
have
a
member
in
this
area?
I
was
like
well,
we
do
have.
Let
me
see
if
you
know
I
know
when
they
can
come
to
you
or
they
will
be
coming
to
you.
So
I
think
our
members
would
agree
with
you
that
we
are.
We
are
very,
but
we
are
trying
to
be
very
aggressive
when
it
comes
to
federal
state
and
local
local
dollars.
Q
Q
They
are
very
aggressively
pursuing
a
state
grants
to
the
state
broadband
grant
program
and
at
their
local
level,
the
federal
the
federal
government
did
provide
some
flexibility,
and
I
know
we
don't
always
compliment
the
federal
government
a
lot,
but
with
those
arpa
funds
they
did
put
in
some
flexibility
for
your
local
county
judge,
executives,
those
fiscal
courts
and
for
the
municipalities
in
this
state
to
have
some
flexibility
to
do
programs
along
the
lines
of.
Q
As
you
all
know,
you
can
spend
that
money
on
wastewater,
water
and
broadband,
and
so
we've
had
folks
engaging
with
their
county
judge
executives
with
their
their
mayors
and
the
fiscal
courts
and
their
county
commissions
and
local
city
commissions
as
well
to
to
explore
options
to
continue
build
out.
So
I
I
do
hear
where
you're
coming
from,
but
I
will
say
our
members
are
doing
their
best
to
be
very
aggressive.
Q
F
That's
all
well
and
good,
but
I
think
your
members
ought
to
be
able
to
put
up
some
of
their
own
money
and
not
sit
back
and
wait
for
grants
and
funds
to
come
from
the
state
or
the
federal
government
or
anybody
you're
in
business
to
make
a
profit.
I
understand
that,
but
you
owe
some
when
you're
a
monopoly,
which
you
are
in
fact
you
need
to
step
up
and
use
some
of
your
own
money
to
to
get
to
those
areas.
I
won't
say
anything
more,
mr
chairman,.
Q
I
I
will
say,
mr
chairman
and
representative
becker
I'll,
be
happy
to
have
a
sidebar
with
you
on
this
as
well,
but
most
of
the
programs
that
we
are
pursuing
do
have
match
contributions
as
a
part
of
that,
so
our
cooperative
members
will
be
putting
up
some
of
their
own
capital,
the
commercial
companies
that
are
pursuing
this.
They
will
be
putting
up
their
own
capital
as
part
of
match
requirements
for
those
so
and
I'll
be
happy
to
have
a
further
conversation
with
you
as
a
sidebar.
A
Thank
you,
sir.
We
have,
of
course
this
is
a.
We
have
a
lot
of
questions
on
this
to
a
point
I
next
we
have
representative
sheldon.
H
H
Steve,
I
can
barely
hear
you
please
I'm
sorry,
okay,
is
that
better?
Is
that
better?
Yes,
sir
okay,
I
just
wanted
to
comment.
H
It
seems
like
you
know,
no
matter
what
these
guys
do,
to
try
to
compete,
to
get
the
business
and,
and
then
we
have
the
larger
companies
coming
in
and
and
and
trying
to
to
put
down
some
competitive
prices
for
our
consumers
and
all
that
needs
to
be
reflected,
but
it
seems
like
this
would
be
well
suited
for
something
you
mentioned
early
in
your
presentation,
and
that
was
you
thought
you
had
to
first
write
a
refusal.
H
You
know
after
they
negotiated
something
or
put
together
some
idea
for
a
certain
community
that
you
should
that
you
thought
you
had
a
first
right
refusal
was
that
something
they
told
you
or
was
that
something
contractually?
You
thought
you
had.
Q
Q
There
was
some
language
put
in
there
on
those
areas
of
the
state
where
our
member
companies
assisted
building
out
laterals
into
some
of
these
rural
communities
that
right
of
first
refusal
was
present,
and
so,
but
since
that
time
it
seems
like
we're
getting
some
pushback
on
what
that
actually
means,
and
so-
and
this
is
not
disparaging
for
I
know,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
interpretations
and
lawyers
that
will
be
involved,
probably
to
help
us
figure
out
those
interpretations.
H
Okay,
well,
I
really
thank
you
and
I
do
believe
that
ultimately
could
be
an
answer,
because
if
they
come
in
and
put
something
together,
if
you're
able
to
do
it
for
the
same
price
and
they're
whole
selling
it
out
anyway,
I
don't
know
why
we
wouldn't
support
our
rural
community
so
something
to
think
about.
But
thank
you
very
much.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
tyler,
thank
you
for
your
presentation
today
and
appreciate
what
your
what
your
organization
is
doing
in
my
area,
where
I
live,
is
very
rural
area
and
surrounding
five
or
six
surrounding
counties
have
some
of
the
best
internet
service
in
the
state
and
that's
because
of
what
you
folks
have
done
working
through
the
local
co-ops
there,
and
I-
and
I
appreciate
that
very
much
and
I
and
I've
always
complimented
you
on
that
and
have
been
very
thankful
for
what
has
happened
in
our
rural
area,
where
I
live
and
and
and
the
and
the
co-op
that
serves
those
surrounding
counties.
G
I
would
just
like,
mr
chairman,
just
make
one
comment,
and
I
certainly
I
totally
agree
with
what
senator
mcdaniel
said
in
his
assessment
of
these
larger
companies
certainly
have,
I
think,
motives,
to
put
your
kind
of
people
out
of
business
if
they
could
and
if
and
and
they
will
certainly
try.
I
think
but
again
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
and
I
know
you
get
a
lot
of
complaints.
G
We
all
get
a
lot
of
complaints,
but
I
I
do
appreciate
what
you
do
and
what
you
all
are
doing,
especially
for
the
rural
areas
and
for
one
setting
up
here.
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
what
you
all
have
done
for
our
area
and
serving
us
with
the
excellent
internet
over
there.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
E
E
I
know
looking
at
other
states
and
researching
this
a
little
bit.
There
are
systems
out
there,
such
as
starlink
that
you
can
set
up
a
satellite,
much
like
a
dish
and
get
internet
service
out
in
these
rural
areas
and
it's
so
expensive
to
run
these
fiber
optics
that
you
know
these
are
good
alternatives
that
we
need
to
really
look
into,
rather
than
just
spend
the
money
to
roll
to
run
out
to
areas
that,
as
representative
beckler
mentioned,
where
they're
not
going
to
get
serviced.
E
A
Thanks,
sir,
all
right,
I'm
gonna
do
a
little
chairman
on
kentucky
wired.
Just
so
everybody
understands,
because
there's
a
lot
of
new
members
and
faces
on
this
have
not
not
exactly
familiar
kentucky
wired
was
started
in
the
administration
of
steve
beshear.
It
was
only
five
years
overdue
to
be
delivered
and
1.5
billion
dollars
over
budget.
That
was
100,
if
not
mistaken,
taxpayer
dollars.
That's.
Who
is
the
driving
force
of
this
now
tyler,
I'm
going
to
recap
a
little
bit
what
you
said
make
sure
I
understand
this
committee.
A
Q
If
they
come
in
and
can
cherry
pick
those
customers
and
take
those
industrial
customers
off
our
network,
then
that's
not
reoccurring
revenue
that
our
members
will
have
and
that
mem
again
and
unlike
a
lot
of
larger
companies,
we
do
have
some
small
commercial
companies,
but
we
do
have
a
lot
of
co-ops
in
our
in
our
our
association.
You
know
you
know
as
well
as
I
do
from
your.
If
you
deal
with
a
real
electric
cooperative,
I
mean
they're,
they
serve
their
members.
Q
First,
that's
who
they
want
to
serve
first,
so
the
money
that
we
have.
It
goes
back
into
our
rural
networks.
It
goes
back
into
serving
our
member
cooperative,
our
member
cooperatives
and
their
customers
within
the
cooperative.
So
if
they
lift
off
the
recurring
revenue,
it
makes
it
more
difficult
to
do
further,
build
outs
to
your
constituents,
and
I
think
I've
heard
this.
Q
We
want
those
individuals
served
on
the
last
road
on
the
last
mile,
and
so,
if
you
take
those
larger
recurring
revenues
away
from
our
our
members,
it's
going
to
be
very
difficult
to
serve
those
folks
in
the
outlying
areas
in
the
most
remote
areas
of
the
commonwealth.
That's
just
a
legitimate
concern
that
I
think
we
have.
Q
Well,
I
think
we've
repeatedly
said
that
if
a
silicon
is
going
to
focus
on
areas
that
are
unserved
or
underserved
or
areas
where
we're
not-
I
mean
that's,
I
think
they're
a
select
company
in
kentucky
now
that
they
have
that
ability
to
do
that
if
it's
unserved
or
underserved,
our
our
our
biggest
concern
is
then
again
over
building
in
areas
where
we
we
already
have
fiber.
We
already
have
those
customers
online
and
so
again,
if
they
take
those
customers
and
they
move
them
off.
Q
That's
going
to
make
it
very
difficult
for
our
folks
to
reach
your
constituents
who
keep
saying
we
need.
We
need
fiber
to
the
home.
We
we
need
this
in
our
area,
and
so
that's
that's
one
of
the
reasons
I
wanted
to
reiterate
that
here
today,
we've
said
this:
before
we
have
had
ongoing
conversations,
I'm
sure
they
will
continue,
but
it
is
still
a
concern
of
my
members
long
term
what
that
what
this
means,
if
they
continue
to
compete
and
threaten
to
over
build
us
in
these
areas,.
A
I
am
going
to
ask
you
a
question:
you
can
not
answer
if
you
want
to,
but
kentucky
infrastructure
authority
association
authority,
who's
actually
rolling
out
the
broad
brand
across
the
state.
Right
now
said
in
testimony.
I
believe
it
was
a
r
that
they
had
actually
put
either
kentucky
wired
or
silicon
on
the
board
to
consult
on
the
request
for
proposal
for
the
broadband
you
all
cover
45
counties
and
one-third
of
the
broadband
state.
Were
you
asked
to
be
part
of
that
rfp.
Q
In
terms
of
the
rfp
we
submitted
comments,
I
know
they
opened
comments
in
terms
of
what
kia
they
did
an
open,
rfp
process
in
terms
of
the
folks
that
evaluate
that,
if
that's
what
they're
doing,
we
weren't
asked
to
be
a
part
of
that,
but
we
they
did
do
an
open,
rfp
process
that
solicited
questions
from
providers
around
the
state.
My
members
did
did
actually
submit
not
all
members,
but
we
did
have
a
handful
of
members
that
did
submit
questions
in
terms
of
the
rfp.
A
Q
Q
I
don't
really
in
all
due
respect.
Mr
chairman,
I
really
don't
know
how
to
answer
that.
I
don't
know
necessarily
that
it
concerns
me
other
than
I
mean.
I
don't
know
if
there
have
been
other
questions
that
other
providers
would
have
thought
of
that.
You
know
if
we
were
all
sitting
in
a
room
together
coming
up
with
a
questionnaire,
but
I
mean
we.
We
were
able
to
respond
to
the
best
of
our
ability
to
the
the
rfp
as
it
was
distributed
online
by
kia.
Q
I
Frankly,
with
regard
to
our
broadband
network
across
the
state,
I
see
tyler
nodding
an
improvement.
We
also
have
to
acknowledge,
mr
chair,
that
that,
during
the
administration
that
followed
the
first
bashir,
there
were
several
changes
that
sought
to
be
made
in
the
kentucky
wire
network.
That
delayed
the
implementation
of
that
and
we
had
fits
and
starts
during
that
four-year
period.
I
Now
we're
here
in
20
2021,
both
the
state
and
federal
government
have
a
renewed
interest
in
making
sure
we
get
that
last
mile
completed
again.
We
we
just
recognized
this
past
session
as
a
legislature
that
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
finish
it.
We
appropriated
300
million
dollars
to
finish
our
broadband
network
and
we
need
to
get
the
job
done.
A
Again,
I
think
the
only
concern
here
as
for
mine
we've
said,
is
the
fact
that
taxpayers
dollars
were
used
to
build
the
backbone
and
they
told
us
from
the
word
go.
They
would
not
go
after
existing
customers
and
it's
quite
obvious.
They
are
that's
our
concern
again
and
you're
right
at
one
point
time
we
actually
discussed
many
times
on
actually
stopping
the
funding
for
kentucky
wired,
but
we
were
so
far
down
that
rabbit
hole.
We
didn't
think
we'd
ever
get
out
of
it.
So
that
is
a
fair
statement,
but
you're
right
it.
A
It's
been
ongoing
for
a
long
time
way
too
long
again,
if
at
this
point
time
I'm
going
to
ask
the
next
president
to
approach
the
table
and
we're
going
to
represent.
A
D
D
Can
you
hear
me
better
now?
Yes,
sir,
all
right,
this
rick
girdler
and
I
just
had
a
suggestion
or
hopefully
maybe
try
to
remedy
some
of
it.
Could
they
go
to
open
fiber?
Is
that
too
much
to
ask
and
give
them
their
concerns?
Tyler?
D
Could
you
do
that
and
say:
hey,
don't
be
cherry-picking
our
big
customers
and
come
back
and
report
to
us
and
then
even
have
them
to
come
back
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
try
to
hurt
them,
plus
the
fact
that
we
can
get
broadband
and
this
to
our
unserved
and
underserved
areas,
because
that's
that's
where
we're
hurting
at
that
would
just
be
a
suggestion.
Now,
maybe
that's
like
me
going
to
another
insurance
man
and
doing
something
with
him,
but
that
may
be
out
of
line
and
it
may
not.
I
don't
know.
Q
Mr
chairman,
do
you
care
if
I
respond
briefly?
No,
please
respond
and
we
need
to
move
on.
Thank
you
senator
gardler.
Yes,
I
just
want
you
to
know.
I
I
didn't
just
come
up
here
and
not
want
to
say
that
we
have
had
ongoing
conversations
with
a
celecom.
Those
conversations
are
still
are
still
taking
place.
They
are
very
aware
of
our
concerns,
but
we
have
also
had
people
ask
us.
Q
D
D
But
I
I
for
one
you
know
I
think
they
ought
to
be
all
should
be
trying
to
branch
out
farther
into
the
people
like
mr
hale
or
some
of
those
are
talking
about.
A
I'd
love
to
have
them
back
at
a
later
date
to
tell
us
how
things
are
going
and
again
to
be
fair,
I
would
have
glad
to
have
a
celeron
or
open
fire.
Kentucky
wired
come
and
testify
today
if
they
wish.
But
yes,
sir
all
right.
Thank
you,
sir
we're
going
to
thank
you
to
come
up.
We
do
have
some
time
constraint,
not
a
lot,
but
let's
get
on
with
our
next
presenter
and
go
from
there.
J
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
mark
iverson.
I
am
the
general
manager
of
bowling
green
municipal
utilities
in
bowling
green
kentucky.
Joining
me
today
is
annette
dupont,
ewing,
our
executive
director
of
the
kentucky
municipal
utilities,
association
and
tony
thompson,
general
manager
of
murray
electric
system.
J
Mr
thompson
is
also
chairman
of
muni
net,
a
middle
mile
network
built
by
and
serving
the
telecommunication
transport
needs
of
municipal
utilities
in
the
western
part
of
the
state.
Thank
you.
Co-Chair
schroeder,
co-chair
king
and
co-chair
pratt
and
interim
joint
committee
members
for
this
opportunity
to
discuss
with
you
our
lived
anxiety
about
the
commonwealth's
direct
competition
with
its
own
municipal
utilities.
J
Bowling
green
municipal
utilities,
generally
referred
to
by
our
initials
bgmu,
is
a
municipally
owned
utility
owned
and
operated
of
the
city
of
bowling
green
kentucky.
Bgmu
owns
four
distinct
utility
infrastructures,
electric
distribution,
drinking
water
treatment
and
distribution,
sewer
collection
and
treatment
and
a
fiber
optic
network.
It's
the
last
of
those
utilities,
our
fiber
optic
system.
J
J
These
members
have
been
on
the
front
edge
of
problem
solving
for
their
communities
for
quite
some
time,
a
list
of
the
systems
and
their
network
attributes
were
included
in
your
packet.
In
fact,
the
frankfurt
plant
board
has
been
operating
a
network
since
the
1950s
collectively
kmua
members,
city
utilities
have
invested
over
200
million
dollars
in
their
telecommunication
networks.
J
For
many
of
you,
these
are
your
constituent
entities
in
places
like
paducah
in
glasgow,
barberville,
russellville,
williamstown,
frankfurt,
hopkinsville,
owensboro,
murray,
franklin,
mayfield,
henderson,
bardstown
and
princeton
one
more
piece
of
information
for
context.
Here
when
bgmu's
fiber
optic
network
was
built,
it
was
very
intentional
on
serving
the
industrial
parks
and
the
commercial
corridors,
as
this
was
an
economic
development
play
we
had
observed-
and
I
suspect
most,
if
not
all
of
my
fellow
municipal
managers
saw
it
the
same
way.
J
J
J
At
the
time
of
governor
steve
beshear's
engagement
with
the
general
assembly
about
his
administration's
plans
for
kentucky
wired,
bgmu's,
fiber
division
manager
and
I
were
called
into
then
speaker,
jody
richards
office,
although
he
didn't
have
enough
details
to
share
with
us,
is
pretty
much
concepts
at
that
time.
I
recall
him
saying
I
just
don't
want
this
to
harm
you
all,
meaning,
obviously
bg
mu's
fiber
business
intuitively.
I
think
what
he
was
giving
voice
to
the
possibility
that
municipal
networks
could
in
fact
face
problems
with
the
commonwealth's
plans.
J
On
multiple
occasions
we
were
told
the
state
has
no
intentions
to
compete
for
your
customers,
but
that
does
not
appear
to
be
true.
The
competition
to
city
owned
broadband
has
just
been
outsourced
in
the
design
of
the
kentucky
wired
contractual
arrangements,
an
affiliate
of
macquarie
capital,
open
fiber,
kentucky
now
rebranded,
as
accelecom
was
given
the
exclusive
right
to
use
the
excess
capacity
of
the
network.
J
Most
importantly,
though,
entailing
of
the
commonwealth's
motivations,
is
the
revenue
sharing
stemming
from
marketing
that
excess
capacity?
Ninety
percent
of
gross
revenues
from
core
dark
fiber
leases.
Eighty
percent
of
net
revenues
from
ancillary
dark
fiber
arrangements
and
seventy
five
percent
of
revenues
from
lit
fiber
services
revert
back
to
the
commonwealth.
J
I
have
no
issue
there
and
if
the
introduction
into
our
market
of
new
independent
into
internet
service
providers
drives
competition,
so
be
it,
however,
isps
are
not
the
only
target
customer
of
in
kentucky
wired
and
its
retail
partner.
Accelecom
accelecom
marketing
goes
a
lot
more
granular
as
to
specific
retail
targets.
J
J
We
serve
the
medical
center
at
bowling
green
and
its
dispersed
footprint
and
the
entire
network
of
graves
gilbert
clinic
offices.
We
serve
hotels
and
banks
and
car
dealerships
and
attorney
offices.
We
serve
cell
towers
and
customers
in
all
four
industrial
parks,
but
excel
comes
marketing.
Don't
fully
communicate
the
foundation
of
the
real
anxiety
we've
been
feeling
for
quite
some
time.
J
J
You
can't
tell
me
that
that
routing
wasn't
intentional.
I
just
don't
take
my
word
for
it.
The
other
14
managers
will
tell
you
the
same
answer.
The
routing
was
intentional
and
provides
the
commonwealth's
contractual
partner
the
opportunity
to
snatch
up
our
customers
by
marketing
that
excess
capacity
and
the
commonwealth's
own
network.
J
So
to
recap
the
exclusive
contractual
arrangement,
the
commonwealth's
financial
motivations
in
that
arrangement,
the
target
industries
in
the
marketing
materials
and
the
network.
Routing
and
overbuild
collectively
create
a
lot
of
anxiety
and
concern
from
city
utilities,
as
taxpayers.
Unfortunately,
we're
all
on
the
hook
for
the
cost
of
kentucky
wired,
and
I
wish
for
it
to
be
successful
and
that
wins
for
both
of
us
can
be
found.
J
Those
might
include
wholesale
bandwidth
options
to
serve
aggregated
municipal
internet
traffic,
recruiting
isps
into
markets
where
connectivity
is
non-existent
or
poor
or
serving
via
the
municipal's.
Last
mile
network
national
contracts,
the
municipal
systems
maybe
find
hard
to
penetrate,
like
a
walmart,
for
example.
J
J
Now
this
isn't
an
anti-competition
play.
Kmua
members
all
compete
with
either
at
t
or
windstream
and
compete
with
spectrum
or
some
other
incumbent
cable
operator.
Additionally,
in
bowling
green,
we
compete
with
level
3,
lumen
and
centurylink,
nor
do
we
own
our
customers
they're
just
as
free
to
leave
us
for
our
current
competitors
as
they
could
with
accelecom.
J
It
just
seems
wrong
to
me,
as
non-profit
city
utilities
we'd
be
facing
the
commonwealth
as
a
competitor.
Too
remember:
city
utilities
use
public
dollars
to
build
internet
networks
to
serve
their
small
cities,
and
now
the
commonwealth,
using
public
dollars
as
well,
has
overbuilt
those
same
networks
and
is
through
its
contractual
agent,
competing
directly
with
those
city-owned
utilities.
J
J
L
R
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
committee
members.
I
know
you're
probably
getting
worn
out
with
this,
but
I'm
going
to
just
echo
some
of
mark's
testimony
and
add
another
perspective
and
I'll
be
brief.
My
name
is
tony
thompson.
I
serve
as
the
general
manager
of
murray
electric
system
in
murray
22
years
ago.
Our
city
fathers
asked
us
to
go
into
the
k
to
the
internet
and
telecommunications
business,
because
at
that
time
we
were
provided
with
dial-up
service.
R
R
By
building
the
network
ourselves,
we
were
able
to
reduce
the
cost
to
less
than
ten
dollars
per
megabyte
since
that
time,
the
cities
of
princeton,
hopkinsville,
glasgow
and
russellville
have
joined
muni
net
and
using
a
loan
from
the
kentucky
infrastructure
authority.
We
built
another
leg
of
our
network
to
nashville,
to
obtain
another
connection
to
another
major
pop
today,
we're
paying
less
than
two
dollars
per
megabyte
for
our
internet
backbone
that
we
were
paying
over
a
hundred
dollars
per
meg
back
in
the
year
2000
and
our
customers
are
beneficiaries
of
that
of
those
savings.
R
Part
of
the
muni-net
network
that
was
built
is
now
being
leased
to
kentucky
wired
to
help
them
complete
their
network.
We
provided
this
fiber
out
of
a
team
player
desire
and
trying
to
help
kentucky
fired
with
their
stated
intent
to
help
bring
broadband
to
the
unserved
and
underserved
areas
of
the
state.
We
were
repeatedly
assured
that
kentucky
wired
would
not
compete
with
our
member
cities
for
our
customers.
R
R
I
don't
think
any
of
our
members
have
a
problem
with
kentucky
wired
helping
to
serve
those
in
the
state
who
need
connectivity,
but
we
don't
need
the
state
to
come
into
our
communities
where
we
have
made
major
capital
investments
to
serve
our
communities
when
no
one
else
would
and
now
try
and
lure
our
good
customers
away
from
us.
I
thank
you.
A
E
E
Well,
it's
mark,
it's
always
a
pleasure
to
see
you
and
thank
you
for
being
here.
Many
years
ago,
when
I
was
managing
a
radio
station
network,
I
changed
from
atnt
to
actually
have
your
service.
Yes,
sir,
and
I
have
to
say
that
you
guys
did
our
telephones
and
you
also
did
our
internet,
and
I
was
a
lot
more
pleased
with
what
your
service
was
versus
att
at
that
time,
and
I
don't
know
if
they
still
use
it
today,
but
it
was
certainly.
E
E
The
industrial
and
business
and
and
so
was
very
pleased
to
have
that
service,
but
I
certainly
echo
what
senator
mcdaniel
said:
we
have
had
the
hardest
time
with
kentucky
wired
and
we
repeatedly
have
asked
them
about
competing
with
our
local
providers
such
as
bgmu,
and
we
were
told
that
they
would
not
be
doing
this,
and
so
it
really
distresses
me
to
see
this
happening
now.
So
I
appreciate
your
testimony
appreciate
you
coming
today.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Sir,
thank
you,
sir
representative
sheldon.
H
Hello
mark,
I
appreciate
your
your
presentation
today.
I
guess
I
just
want
to
cut
right
to
it.
I
I
certainly
feel
the
same
way.
Senator
wilson
and
senator
mcdaniel
have
spoken
eloquently
about
the
what
you
all
do
for
our
community
there
bowling
green,
but
I
was
probably
one
of
the
first
t1
users
back
years
ago,
so
I
sure
appreciate
that.
H
But
I
really
want
to
know
just
if,
if
these
people
were
just,
it
seems
like
the
the
common
theme
here
is,
that
is
that
they're
not
going
for
underserved
or
you
know,
areas
or
are
not
served
areas
if
they
focus
just
on
underserved
and
not
serve
because
no
matter
the
debacle
of
kentucky
wire
and
the
intent.
The
truth
is,
we
do
have
people
out
in
our
underserved
areas
that
need
internet
and
they
haven't
been
able
to
get
it.
H
So
if
these
folks
stayed
in
their
lane
and
did
what
they
said,
they
were
gonna
do.
Would
you
work
with
them,
then,
on
pole
attachments,
if
you
needed
to,
if
you
you
know,
would
you
be
willing
to
to
work
in
that
area?.
H
Yeah,
I'm
speaking
more
for
butler
county
yeah.
I
know
bowling
green's
got
plenty
and
I
I
agree.
I
mean
those
trunks
being
run
right
along
your.
Your
service
line
is
just
absolutely
ridiculous
and
there's
no
other
way
to
say
that.
H
So
there
was
a
reason
to
do
this,
and
I
just
think
that
if
you
guys
would
be
willing
to
go
in
the
underserved
areas,
we
just
have
to
get
these
guys
focused
on
where
they
should
be,
and
I
regret
that
it's
all
turned
out
this
way
and
I
sure
appreciate
what
you
all
do
for
our
community.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
would
suggest
if
you
haven't
done
this,
you
know
in
louisville
we
had
the
issues
with
a
t
and
that
internet
and
about
pole
attachment,
and
so
if
you
could
do
a
little
research,
what
transpired
over
it
didn't
work
out,
but
this
is
no
different
than
what
the
solar
panels
are
and
what
happened.
If
I
may
say
this
is
big
business
had
no
interest
in
it
because
the
initial
small
companies
came
in
and
made
the
initial
investment
and
and
made
it
profitable.
E
Okay,
so
there's
anything
I
can
do
to
help.
You
don't
hesitate
to
reach
out,
because
I
I'm
about
small
business,
I'm
about
the
people
that
make
the
initial
investment
about
us
moving
forward.
We
need
to
move
the
state
forward,
but
we
also
I'm
not
into
protectionism,
about
business
things
like
that,
but
there
should
be
common
ground.
We
could
find
it
where
everybody
would
be
profitable.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
Thanks,
sir.
E
So
kcna's
contract
with
the
celeron
to
market
the
excess
bandwidth
was
there
not
any
bounds.
Put
on
that
in
that
contract
was
there
not
any
anything
signed?
That
said,
you
know
underserved
and
focused
on
that
there
wasn't
anything
of
that
nature.
E
Bring
in
some
revenue,
okay,
yeah,
that
needs
to
be
corrected.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
again
recap
again,
I
much
like
you.
What
I
was
told
when
I
got
first
got
came
into
office,
was
kentucky
wired
was
going
to
build
a
backbone
and
backbone
only
they
were
never
going
to
compete
with
anybody.
They
actually
again.
I
guess,
are
looking
at
this.
Is
they
used
taxpayers
dollars
to
build
the
backbone
with
extra
capacity,
and
we
were
told
that
this
extra
capacity
was
only
going
to
be
sold
to
providers
like
yourself
not
used
to
compete
against
providers
like
yourself,
and
they
would
not
compete
with
it.
A
Please
correct
me
is
the
fact
that
now
they're
taking
this
excess
and
they're
going
to
cherry
pick
the
best
customers
across
the
state,
and
it's
not
going
to
do
anything
to
help
get
internet
out
to
the
unserved
and
underserved
areas
other
than
make
money
for
a
company
that
use
pri
public
dollars
to
build
the
backbone.
Is
that
correct.
J
I
would
say
yes,
as
a
general
rule,
it's
it's
certainly
the
way
the
network
was
designed
and
built
creates
opportunity
for
the
cherry.
Picking
and
again,
I
kind
of
showed
that
that's
why
the
mapping
was
important
for
me
to
just
demonstrate
to
you.
It
was
a
really
a
complete
overbuild
of
our
network,
and
so
with
that,
then
maybe
the
states
not
can
look
at
you
the
straight
face
and
say
we're
not
doing
it,
but
it's
just
been
outsourced.
A
I
understand
again,
I
would
I'm
sure
someone
from
celeron
is
watching
us.
I
would
encourage
them
to
start
working
with
you
all
in
a
good
faith
basis
and
say
this
is
what
we
will
and
won't
do
we're
willing
to
put
it
in
writing
what
we
really
want
to
do,
so
that
we
don't
have
to
go
down
this
this
this
down
the
path
of
actually
doing
legislation
to
stop
this.
We
also
have
a
reference
southwest.
Has
a
question.
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
who
has
looked
at
the
contract.
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
reinvent
the
wheel
here,
but
who
are
the
partners
or
the
agencies
or
the
private
industry
people
or
whatever?
We
can
say
all
right,
you've
read
this
entire
contract.
Exactly
what
are
you
seeing
in
this.
J
N
N
Online
well
I'll
just
put
it
on
my
to-do
list
yeah.
But
so
I
have
a
comment,
mr
chairman,
I
don't
know
if
everybody
surely
we've
had
a
number
of
hearings
with
kentucky
wired
here
before,
but
in
my
committee
we
had
recently
a
few
months
ago
kentucky
wired
came
and
presented
and
their
number
one
push
was.
If
we
don't
get
our
entirety
of
the
extra
50,
you
know
fully
sold
asap.
N
You
know
that
is
their
only
plan
forward
for
funding,
in
addition
to
the
additional
general
funds
and
everything
else
they
had
to
support,
but
their
their
business
model
is
entirely
hung
on
filling
that
to
the
brim
and
that's
not
even
going
to
pay
enough.
You
know
to
me
it
was
a
bad
business
model,
but
but
I'm
just
saying
that
that's
the
pressure
that
we're
under
as
the
commonwealth
and
I
mean
obviously
you've
got
a
good
point
here.
N
J
It's
all
the
things
I
kind
of
had
listed
in
terms
of
creating
anxiety
when,
when
my
board
chair
received
an
email
solicitation
from
accelecom
for
the
company
that
she
is
the
cfo
of
saying,
hey
we'd,
like
you
to
come
on
to
our
network,
of
course,
they're.
My
customer
that
certainly
got
my
attention.
E
Thank
you
very
sharon,
not
really
a
question
for
you
all,
but
I'd
like
to
ask
kentucky
wired
a
question
or
acceleron
whoever
it
is
that
why
would
they
go
overbuild
in
bowling
green
when
southeast
kentucky
needs
all
the
help
we
can
get
just
trying
to
get
it
to
the
people
that
need
it.
If
it's
kentucky
wired,
it's
supposed
to
be
for
the
people
that
need
it
the
most,
then
they
need
to
get
a
new
sense
of
direction
and
we
can
show
them
how
to
get
to
the
mountains.
If
they'll
ask
us.
A
Thank
you.
Sarah
and
again,
I
think
everybody
in
this
room
wants
to
get
broadband
internet
to
the
unserved
and
underserved
areas
of
kentucky
problem
is
what
we're
seeing
it
appears.
Is
there
that's,
not
the
accelerons
intent
their
intent.
Is
cherry
pick
customers
to
try
to
pay
for
their
investment
again,
and
I
hope
I'm
wrong
and.
E
A
Unders,
I
share
your
concerns,
but
I
wish
again-
and
I
would
love
to
have
them
come
and
say
this
is
what
we
will
and
what
we
won't
do.
This
is
our
intent
put
it
in
writing,
so
we
will
either
stoke
our
fears
or
put
our
fears
to
rest.
So
I
and
again-
and
I
I'm
I've
been
concerned
because
I've
had
this
conversation
about.
What's
your
intent
once
you
get
this
finished
and
I've
been
told
more
than
once
we're
only
going
to
sell
excess
capacity,
we're
never
going
to
compete
with
private
or
municipalities.
A
That's
not
our
intent.
Maybe
someone
misspoke
that
again
people
have
changed
there,
so
we
just
need
to
know
their
intent.
I
share
your
concerns
and
thank
you
guys
very
much
for
your
testimony.
Thank
everybody
for
sticking
in
on
such
a
long
meeting
our
let
our
next
meeting
is
sorry
about
that
is
october.
The
21st.
A
Thank
you
guys
for
your
attendance
looking
for
a
motion
to
adjourn,
so
thank
you
guys.