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A
Budget
review
subcommittee
on
transportation
for
this
interim.
It's
always
this
is
a
very
important
committee
and
a
very
important
this
is
our
biennial
road
plan
will
be
up
for
review
and
passage
in
this
next
session.
So
we've
got
a
lot
to
talk
about
and
a
lot
of
a
lot
to
do
so
welcome
everyone.
Today,
I
remind
we're
getting
ready
to
roll
call
remind
those
out
that
are
attending
virtually
and
the
ones
in
the
room.
A
B
A
The
secretary
gray
and
deputy
secretary
hancock
welcome.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
today
and
we
the
floor
is
yours,
and
I
know
you
have
a
lot
to
report
to
us
so
and
we'll
have
a
lot
of
questions
so
this
this
is
a
good
time
and
I
want
to
encourage
everyone
on
the
committee.
There
is
no
such
thing
as
when
we
when
we're
talking
about
the
budget.
There
is
no
dumb
questions.
You
know
I'm
new,
I'm
new
to
being
the
transportation
chairman.
A
I
have
a
lot
of
questions
and
I
know
a
lot
of
the
members.
This
is
probably
your
first
time
to
do
a
go
through
a
budget
for
the
transportation.
So
a
lot
of
questions
and
the
best
way
to
we.
We
have.
We
have
the
crew
here
that
can
answer
any
question
we
have
if
they
brought
kenny
bishop
along.
If
they
can't
answer
it
kenny
can
I'm.
B
A
So
but
dude
dude-
I
just
I
do
want
to
encourage
a
committee
to
ask
questions
because
this
we've,
you
know,
we've
got
a
couple
wires
set
aside
for
this.
A
It
is
important
that
we
understand
where
the
dollars
come
from
and
where
they
go
and
and
the
budget
process,
and
it
is
a-
and
you
know
you
think
it's
a
long
way
off,
but
I
assure
you
that
the
transportation
cabinet
is
already
working
on
on
the
budget
that
they
will
present
to
the
governor,
and
we
don't
know
how
much
it
will
look
like
what
they
present
to
the
governor
when
it
comes
out
the
other
side,
but
the
more
conversations
we
have
more
likely.
It
would
look
like
something
they
recognize.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
I
I
don't
know
whether
your
your
colleague
and
your
co-chair
is
on
the
is
remotely
with
us
or
not,
but
I
was
going
to
say
he's
he
is
under
repair.
We
understand
is
that.
A
Correct
that
that
is
correct
and-
and
we
we
wish
him
that
I
know
he'll
do
well
today,
but
he's
he
is
getting
a
slight
slight
repair.
C
Well,
we
understand
what
that's
like
in
transportation.
So
well,
it's
like
a
fix
of
the
pothole.
Well,
whatever
you
want
to
describe,
I'm
glad.
You
also
mentioned
kenny
bishop,
because
in
the
last
couple
of
sessions
I've
been
in
and
kenny
was
with
me.
I
failed
to
do
just
that
and
there
you
know
I
don't
know
what
the
repercussions
are
to
it,
but
I
promised
him
that
I
was
going
to
repair
that
failure
today
and
thank
kenny
for
being
here
and
for
doing
the
good
work
that
he
does
with
the
legislature
all
the
time
that.
A
If,
if
any
of
representatives
and
senators
here
kenny
stand
up
there,
yep
kenny
is
our
liaison
to
the
transportation
cabinet
and
trust
me,
he
will
answer
your
phone
call
day
or
night,
whether
you're
calling
about
billboards
or
potholes.
A
He
will
answer
the
phone,
and-
and
so
I
just
if,
if
you
don't
have
his
information,
you
can
get
it
from
me
or
you
can
see
him
after
the
meeting,
but
he
is
our
liaison
and,
like
I
said
he
does
a
great
job
so
kenny.
I
just
want
everybody
to
know
kenny
bishop
thank.
C
I'm
also
very
thankful,
we're
very
thankful
for
the
opportunity
to
be
with
you
all
today
again
to
give
you
a
transportation
update
and,
of
course,
as
you
said,
as
you
said,
mr
chair,
I
am
joined
by
a
familiar
face
to
many
of
you,
and
that
is
deputy
secretary
and
former
secretary
mike
hancock
and
then
following
mike's
presentation
in
mind,
you're
going
to
hear
from
bobby
jo
lewis,
our
commissioner
for
rural
and
municipal
aid,
and
I
want
to
say
too
that
I
think
mike
and
I
share
this
and
others
do
that
she
is
doing
a
great
job.
C
A
Yes,
sir,
mr
secretary,
let
me
I
want
to
throw
in
one
thing
on
bobby
joe's
behalf
and
and
new
members
to
the
committee
and
and
all
members
of
the
committee
she's
another
one.
You
need
on
speed
dial,
because
I
promise
you,
your
county
judges
have
her
on
speed
dial,
so
you
need
to
know
her
also
she's,
a
integral
part
of
the
transportation
system
and
and
a
lot
of
the
questions
you
have
about
rural
secretary
rhodes,
bobby
joe,
can
answer
it,
and
you
hear
this
word
discretionary
funds.
A
She
she
can
help
help.
You
understand
discretionary
funding
and
sorry
for
the
interruption.
Mr
chairman,
mr
mr
secretary.
C
That's
the
way
I
hoped
we
could
start
off
by
you're
interrupting
me
at
least
once
or
twice
that's
essential.
No,
I
appreciate
it
well,
the
last
time
that
I
was
before
this
this
committee.
We
were
here
under
really
very
different
circumstances.
C
It's
really
all,
not
all
that
unique.
It
was
coined
many
years
ago.
Actually,
I'm
I
got
this.
I
asked
this
same
question
myself
about
a
year
ago.
How
in
the
world
did
you
come
up
with
that
name
that
title
well?
It
was
coined
when
the
legislature
required
that
the
transportation
cabinet
submit
our
recommended
biennial
highway
plans
in
two
separate
sections.
C
D
C
C
That's
how
it's
there.
So
that's
why
z,
various
we
also
identified
these
projects
as
highway
district
99
to
ensure
that
they
still
printed
last
in
any
district-by-district
extraction
of
the
data.
So
now
you
have
the
story
behind
that
unique
name,
so
the
transportation
cabinet
has
learned
over
many
years
of
putting
together
these
highway
plans
that
not
all
federal
and
state
funded
activities
fit
the
mold
for
listing
as
a
specific
project
in
a
specific
county.
C
For
instance,
on
page
one
of
the
z,
various
section
of
the
2020
enacted
your
enacted
highway
plan,
you
will
find
project
descriptions
such
as
statewide
intelligence,
transportation
systems
activities,
the
acronym
for
that
is
its
statewide,
intelligent
transportation
systems
activities
and
you
will
find
statewide
transportation,
enhancement
and
statewide
congestion
mitigation
and
air
quality
improvement.
Funded
projects
along
with
these
descriptions
is
an
amount
of
anticipated
federal
funds
for
each
fiscal
year.
C
For
each
of
those
federal
programs,
there
are
statewide
programmatic
eligibilities
that
drive
that
funding
category.
The
cabinet's
list
of
federal
garvey
bond
payments
to
pay
down
debts
for
projects
like
the
new
bridges
in
louisville,
the
garvey
bond
payments
are
also
tracked
in
this
section
in
the
z,
various
section
z.
Various
funds
also
allow
kytc
the
transportation
cabinet
to
set
aside
funding
for
unforeseen
needs.
That
may
come
up
above
and
beyond
the
specific
projects
identified
in
the
project
listing
of
the
highway
plan.
C
Some
examples
of
funding
reserves
that
we
plan
for
can
be
found
on
page
one
of
the
z,
various
section
of
the
2020
enacted
highway
plan.
The
first
item
on
the
page
is
for
bridge
repair
for
various
bridges,
and
the
last
item
on
the
page
is
for
pavement:
rehabilitation
on
state
non-rural,
secondary
system
routes,
bridge
repairs
and
pavement.
Rehab
are
z.
Various
items
assigned
an
amount
of
funding
each
year
to
address
specific
emergency
issues.
We
expect
to
occur,
but
don't
know
when
or
where
they
will
happen.
C
Now
you
put
this
in
the
context
of
a
two
and
a
half
billion
dollar
total
transportation
budget.
That's
the
context!
So
when
we
talk
about
these
funds-
or
these
buckets,
it's
really
within
the
context
of
that
overall
budget
and
some
of
these
amounts,
for
example,
fd39-
the
contingency
account
that
represents
a
little
under
one
tenth
of
one
percent
of
the
total
budget
at
20
million,
which
was
10
million
more
than
we
got
in
the
first
round.
Right.
Senator
right
chairman.
C
A
A
real
need
in
eastern
kentucky
and-
and
I
see
rocky
shaking
his
hand,
it
was
but
that
thank
you
that
that
that
is
important,
that
that
money's
in
there.
C
C
That
must
be
anticipated,
such
as
ever
changing
emergency
repairs
to
pavement
and
bridges;
okay,
so
that's
the
z,
various
and
with
now.
Let
me
turn
it
over
to
mike
to
briefly
describe
how
the
mpos,
the
metropolitan
planning
organizations,
how
how
they
determine
their
projects
and
the
funding
associated
with
them.
So
mike.
D
All
right,
thank
you,
secretary
on
the
mpo
side
of
the
ledger.
There
are
nine
mpos
in
kentucky,
five
of
which
are
greater
than
200
000
populations
and
those
actually
receive
those
two
hundred
thousand
population.
D
Please
sorry,
let
me
go
back
and
start
over.
There
are
nine
mpos
in
kentucky,
five
of
which
are
greater
than
two
hundred
thousand
population
and
those
five
actually
receive
dedicated
stp
funds
from
the
federal
government.
D
Those
four
are
bowling:
green,
the
clarksville,
tennessee
oak
grove,
kentucky
area,
elizabethtown
and
radcliffe,
and
then
owensboro.
So,
as
you
can
see,
our
more
populous
communities
across
the
state
are
those
that
are
classified
as
metropolitan
planning
organizations
or
have
that
designation
in
their
area.
D
Federal
transportation
legislation
requires
that
an
mpo
be
designated
to
carry
out
the
metropolitan
transportation
planning
process
for
each
of
those
urbanized
areas
that
have
a
population
of
at
least
50
000..
It
is
important
to
know
that
each
mpo
produces
its
own
long-range
transportation
plan
and
it
produces
its
own
short-term
transportation
improvement
program
known
as
a
tip.
For
short,
the
tip
provides
an
overview
of
how
transportation
revenues
will
be
invested
over
a
six-year
period
by
state
and
local
agencies
that
have
responsibility
to
build,
operate
and
maintain
the
community's
highway
street
and
public
transit
systems.
D
Inclusion
of
transportation
projects
in
the
tip
is
required
for
the
project
to
receive
federal
funding,
because
highway
projects
are
divided
into
phases.
You
have
design
right-of-way
utilities
and
construction
phases
that
tip
that
tip
schedule
at
these
mpos
guarantees
or
controls
or
processes.
The
timing
of
the
individual
project,
priorities
and
activities
the
projects
listed
in
each
mpo's
tip
are
adopted
into
the
kytc
prepared,
statewide
transportation
improvement
program.
This
is
something
that's
required
by
the
federal
highway
administration
and
is
something
that
we
prepare.
D
Kytc
works
with
all
of
the
mpos
to
develop
area
projects,
but
the
five
large
mpos
that
receive
the
direct
annual
federal
funding
allocations
from
congress
are
treated
differently
for
those
mpos
with
dedicated
funding.
They
are
the
ultimate
authority
on
the
use
of
the
funds
that
are
dedicated
to
them.
D
We
once
the
cabinet
once
tried
to
just
mimic
those
projects,
go
ahead
and
drop
those
into
our
highway
plan
and
show
them
in
our
biennial
highway
plan,
as
we
did
that
each
year,
but
the
mpos
themselves
had
objection
to
that.
They
did
not
appreciate
either
the
state
or
the
legislature
adjusting
the
priorities
for
what
they
perceive
to
be
their
dedicated
federal
funding.
D
I
have,
and
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
we
need
to
do
this
today
and
I
know
bobby
joe's
here
to
talk
about
some
things.
So
I
have
just
a
very
brief
overview
of
this
and
and
then
bobby
joe.
I
don't
know
if,
if
they're
going
to
want
to
hear
you
separately,
I
suspect
they
will,
but
but
what
I'll
do
is
just
do
a
very
brief
overview
and
then
turn
it
back
to
the
secretary
and
then
you
all
can
use
all
three
of
us
for
the
question
and
answer
to
to
round
out
today's
presentations.
D
D
The
final
transportation,
the
final
biennial
transportation
budget-
that's
passed
every
two
years
tells
us
how
much
money
we
have
to
work
with
in
our
contingency
account
and
how
we
can
go
about
using
it.
Examples
of
projects
include
those
that
require
emergency
repairs,
pose
safety
concerns
or
support
economic
development
like
constructing
industrial
access
roads.
D
As
the
secretary
mentioned
in
the
beginning
of
his
remarks,
the
weather
in
the
first
quarter
of
this
year
was
harsh
on
our
infrastructure.
These
funds
allowed
us
to
respond
to
critical
funding
requests
like
resurfacing
deteriorated
roads,
as
he
mentioned
in
the
discussion
about
the
z,
various
account.
It's
essential
that
the
cabinet
have
some
flexibility
within
the
budget
and
the
highway
plan
to
be
responsive
to
unforeseen
needs.
C
We
can
we'll
probably
take
some
questions
I'll
just
say
in
conclusion,
that
I
want
to
underscore
one
more
thing,
something
that
mike
just
said-
and
we
both
alluded
to
this-
that
I've
discovered
this
in
the
15
months.
I've
been
in
this
job-
it's
it's
really
not
unlike
my
own
experience
in
the
construction
industry,
and
that
flexibility
is
a
key,
especially
when
you're
trying
to
predict
something
as
unpredictable
as
construction
and
engineering
costs,
so
that
flexibility
is
the
key.
Now
too
much.
Flexibility,
of
course,
can
be
a
bad
thing.
I
I
think
it
was.
C
I
I
I'll
come
back
to
that,
but
whether
it's
the
z,
various
funding
pot
or
the
contingency
count,
the
cabinet
needs
the
ability
to
be
responsive
to
needs
that
you
and
your
constituents
bring
to
use
every
single
day,
and
we
appreciate
that
that
acknowledgement
that
recognition,
that
flexibility
that's
needed
to
a
certain
extent
and
your
support
of
those
efforts
that
we,
the
efforts
that
we
try
to
engage
to
respond
to
your
needs.
So
we'll
have
we'll
gladly
entertain
any
questions
that
you
all
may
have
now,
and
then
we
can
move
on
to
bobby
joe.
B
Hi,
gentlemen,
deputy
secretary,
I
believe
this
question
is
for
you
on
the
mpos.
Can
you
just
explain
to
me
the
federal
funding
that
comes
through
is
that
through
oki?
Is
that
how
that
happens.
D
The
the
way
the
the
federal
funding
process
works
is
congress
enacts
a
federal
funding.
Authorization
act,
a
reauthorization
in
the
case
coming
up
soon,
but
the
money
they
they
enact,
flows
down
to
the
state
and
as
it
comes
to
the
state,
it's
divided
into
several
buckets
and
the
state
gets
a
bucket
of
funds,
as
do
the
mpos.
These
metropolitan
areas
and
for
northern
kentucky
oki
is
the
the
holder
of
that
bucket
for
northern
kentucky
funds.
A
I'm
still
trying
to
get
my
arms
around
mpos
and
what
comes
first,
the
chicken
or
the
egg
in
this
case
too,
do
we,
I
guess,
as
we
do
our
shift
projects
and-
and
we
know
what
the
transportation
needs
are
for,
say:
louisville
area
or
fayette
county.
A
Do
the
mpos
look
at
our
list
and
say:
okay,
we
we
want
to.
We
want
to
do
another
section
of
the
gene
snyder,
or
do
they
make
up
their
own
list?
How?
How
does
that
work?
And-
and
how
does
it
work
planning
wise
if
they
don't
want
our
input
and
they
don't
want
it
listed,
but
they
want
us
to
contribute
money
to
it.
How
does
all
that
come
come
together
because
it
would
look
like
if
they're
asking
us
for
a
country?
A
You
know
a
matching
funds
that
we
would
have
at
least
have
an
idea
what
their
their
the
process.
D
Absolutely
and
there's
a
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
this
process
and,
let
me
just
say
right
off
the
right
off
the
top.
That
federal
law
requires
that
these
mpos
have
certain
ranges
of
authority
as
it
relates
to
local
prioritization.
So
that's
that's
how
they
are
designated
and
and
get
involved
in
the
game,
the
transportation
cabinet
for
projects
in
a
metropolitan
area.
D
They
will
look
to
the
cabinet
and
see
what
our
list
of
priorities
looks
like
for
the
metropolitan
louisville
area
to
help
inform
ultimately
what
they
decide
about
how
to
prioritize,
and
not
small
in
that
prioritization
is
the
realization
that
the
transportation
cabinet
often
brings
big
dollars
to
projects
that
the
local
mpo
process
simply
can't
bring
to
bear.
So
we
have
to
work
together.
D
We
work
in
concert
whether
it's
long-range
planning,
short-range
planning,
preparation
of
highway
plans
and
tips
and
steps,
and
all
that
stuff
it
all
it
all
works
hand
in
glove
and-
and
we
make
a
great
effort
at
the
cabinet
to
participate
in
those
mpo
activities
to
keep
them
clearly
advised
of
priorities
that
the
general
assembly
sets
so
that
they
understand
how
other
aspects
work
within
their
their
region
and
and
together.
We
work
that
out,
typically
with
regard
to
matching
funds.
D
If
a
project
is
done
in
a
metropolitan
area
and
it's
on
a
state
maintained
system,
typically,
the
state
will
provide
the
matching
funds.
If
it's
a
local
street
or
local
road
county
road,
then
the
locals
will
provide
the
matching
funds.
So
it
we've
worked
out
an
arrangement
over
time
that
that
honestly
has
served
both
well,
which
is
exactly
what
the
federal
highway
administration
is.
Hoping
will
happen
in
that
in
that
whole
realm
so
difficult,
but
it
works.
A
Well,
can
you
give
us
some
examples?
I
guess
we're
looking
at
if
you're,
looking
at
32
million
going
to
five
counties,
we're
not
we're
not
building
any
benchmarks
bridges
with
this
money.
So
an
example,
maybe
in
jefferson,
county
fayette,
county
northern
kentucky
some
of
the
projects
that
that
they
would,
you
know,
use
this
money
on.
Maybe
dollar
amounts.
If
you
know
off
top
of
your
head,
it's
just
I'd
like
to
be
more
familiar
with
how
this
process
works.
Sure.
D
And
there
and
there's
again
a
lot
of
breadth
and
depth,
and
and
when
you
get
when
you
get
right
down
to
it,
it's
those
federal
dollars
that
flow,
for
instance,
of
that
32
million
in
federal
funds.
I
believe
it's
18
million
or
thereabouts
goes
to
louisville
and
then
to
to
metropolitan
louisville
metropolitan
louisville
actually
includes
parts
of
bullitt
county
and
oldham
county.
So
it's
a
bigger
area
than
just
just
jefferson
county.
So
when
the
the
mpo
planning
process
takes
place,
you
have
representatives
from
jefferson,
bullitt
and
and
oldham
counties.
D
D
They
may
on
occasion,
come
to
the
state
and
say
we
need
to
do
a
project
on
a
state
road
that
we
realize
is
going
to
cost
20
million
dollars.
Here's
three
million
dollars
of
metropolitan
money
that
you
can
apply
toward
that
project
and
you
know
help
us
in
that
way.
But
but
quite
often
those
mpo
priorities
and
projects
originate
locally.
They're
on
local
roads
and
streets
address
a
lot
of
primarily
local
concerns
and
that's
the
reason
that
they
objected
when
we
were
including
those
projects
in
a
road
plan
and
and
moving
you
know.
D
Potentially
their
potential
was
there
for
some
of
those
priorities
to
be
moved
that
they
were
objecting
because
their
own
prioritization
processes
and
the
inputs
of
metro
councils
and
and
other
regional
entities
in
oki
you've
got.
You
know
all
of
the
counties
and
local
governments
associated
with
that
and
to
the
extent
that
those
priorities
started
moving
around
in
our
highway
plan
that
created
considerable
angst
for
those
local
governments
that
had
worked
so
hard
to
get
their
projects
in
in
line.
D
C
Can
footnote
just
a
minute
mike
I
was.
I
was
on
the
mpo
when
before
I
was
mayor
when
I
was
on
city
council
in
lexington,
the
npo
for
lexington
and
jessamine
county,
and
what
I
remember
most,
there
was
a
fellow
named
max
conyers,
who
was
the
director
of
the
npo
max
a
great
guy,
and
my
frustration
was
that
we
didn't
have
hardly
any
money
at
all
to
work
around
with.
C
D
The
the
only
thing
additional,
I
would
say,
is
in
in
a
prior
life.
D
When
it
works
very
well,
it
can
be
a
frustrating
process
when
it
doesn't
work
very
well,
but
but
fortunately
we
have
a
lot
of
great
people
across
the
state
from
bowling
green
to
owensboro
to
louisville
northern
kentucky
all
of
those
folks
lexington
that
that
really
help
us
keep
that
program,
leaning
forward.
So
it's
good.
A
Well,
it
helps
me
but
better
understand,
hopefully
the
members
of
the
committee,
that
you
know
we
we'd
like
to
have
understand
these
pots
of
money
and
and
how
they're
used
and
and
32
million,
like
I
said
that
puts
it
in
perspective.
A
Now,
when
we
drive
down
many
of
us,
we
drive
down
that
the
gene
snyder
repairs
that
from
taylorsville
road
to
all
the
way
out
to
I-71.
We
know
that's
not
an
mpo
project,
so
that's
that
that
helps
me
better
understand.
So
I
I
appreciate
that
explanation
and
hopefully,
members
of
the
committee
better
understand
it
also.
C
You
know,
mr
chairman,
this
is
something
I
just
happen
to.
Think
of
that
might
just
make
an
offer.
We
had
talked
about
this
earlier
that
and
there's
always
new
members
of
the
legislature
and
I've
learned
very
quickly
how
byzantine
that's
the
best
language
I
could
use
is
the
the
funding
sources
and
the
mechanisms
for
transportation.
C
You
know
the
federal
relationships,
federal
highways.
If
we,
if
and
we've
done
this
before,
we
could,
we
could
schedule
another
sort
of
a
orientation
to
that
ron.
Rigney
and
mike
are
the
best
at
it.
They
understand
they
understand
how
the
byzantine
nature
of
it,
but
can
translate
it
into
often
lay
terms
and
and
we'd,
be
happy
to
do
that.
If
you
all
would
like.
A
And
we'll
take
you
up
on
that?
Okay,
yes,
okay,
the
the
freshman
chairman
here
and
the
other
newer
members
to
the
committee
can
probably
use
all
that
information
that
you
all
would
share,
and
I
know
that
you
have
some
real
brain
trust,
especially
ron
rigney.
That
can
really
help
us
better
understand
it.
C
C
A
And
okay:
does
that
conclude?
Are
you
ready
for
more
questions,
we'll
do
more
questions.
C
A
We
have
more
questions
from
anyone
I
have.
I
have
several,
hopefully,
hopefully
we're
not
not.
I
don't
want
to
steal
the
show,
but
I
do
have
a
lot
of
questions
back
to
z.
Various
I'm
talking
about
z,
various
and
and
pavement
maintenance
is,
as
part
of
z,
various,
and
I
know
we
we
in
this
budget
current
year
budget,
we
supplemented
that.
Can
you
talk
about
payment
management
or
pay
payment
maintenance
right?
What
is
the
m
stand
for
maintenance
or
management.
A
Go
ahead.
Okay,
we
wait,
I'm
gonna
get
the
terminology
right.
So
that's
part
of
z.
Various
would
would
you
talk
about
that
for
for
a
little
bit
and
and
also
how
we're
using
this
additional
monies?
Okay,.
D
The
in
the
highway
plan,
you
will
see
the
the
acronym
pm
which
does
stand
for
pavement
management
and
we
say
pavement
management,
because
there
are
degrees
of
of
pavement
rehabilitation
that
we
do.
D
Then
we
have
pavement
repairs.
You
know
there
are
roads,
I'm
sure
you've
driven
them
all
over
the
state
where
down
the
center
line,
you'll
see
the
cracks
that
are
forming
in
the
center
line.
Quite
often,
we
don't
need
to
dig
up
the
entire
pavement
and
replace
it.
We
need
to
come
back
in
and
repair
that
centerline
strip
and
so
you'll
see
repairs
that
are
also
featured
in
this
plant
under
pm.
D
Third
area
is,
is
rehabilitation
where
we
come
in
and
it's
it's
a
little
more
in
depth.
A
lot
of
times,
you'll
see
a
machine,
go
in
and
mill
off
the
top
two
three
four
inches
of
pavement
and
then
put
down
a
new
pavement
and
that's
called
rehabilitating
that
old
pavement.
Turning
it
into
something
new
and
then
the
final
thing
that
can
fit
under
pm
type
projects
is
a
complete
replacement
of
the
pavement.
D
Sometimes
you
get
roads
that
are
just
beyond
any
sort
of
repair
fixing,
so
you
have
to
come
in
and
just
completely
virtually
dig
them
out
and
and
and
rebuild
the
road.
So
those
are
all
types
of
improvements
that
that
fit
under
that
pm
category.
D
Fortunately,
we
have
very
few
of
those
roads
that
we
have
to
completely
dig
out
and
replace.
Most
of
what
you
see
in
this
plan
is
preventive
maintenance.
There
are
repair
projects
that
are
occasionally
here
and
then
on.
Our
interstates
and
parkways
you'll
see
a
lot
of
pavement
rehabilitation
where
we're
milling
off
the
surface
pavement
and
putting
back
new
pavements.
D
That
is
incredibly
expensive
work.
I
should
have
double
checked
before
coming
over
here.
What
our
latest
cost
per
mile
is,
but
but
at
one
time
our
cost
per
mile,
depending
on
where
you
were
what
area
and
what
you
were
doing
could
vary
anywhere
from
a
million
and
a
half
to
five
million
dollars,
a
mile
to
replace
pavements
or
to
to
rehabilitate
pavements
out
there.
So
that's
why
you
see
us
a
lot
of
times.
D
Spending
smaller
amounts
on
preventive
maintenance
to
try
to
help
those
pavements
last
as
long
as
they
can,
because
with
you,
as
with
your
household
budget,
I
mean
you
just
can't
afford
those
big
hits
year
after
year
after
year,
if
you
can
spread
those
out,
it's
really
helpful.
So
the
pavement
program,
I
think,
is
on
the
order
of
in
this
plan
is
probably
on
the
order
of
150
million
a
year,
something
in
that
regard.
D
Our
pavement
experts
in
the
cabinet
are
telling
us
that
we
need
much
more
than
that
that
we
could
probably
use
at
least
300
million
a
year
is
a
good
round
term.
They
would
probably
argue
they
could
use
more
to
keep
our
pavements
in
the
best
shape.
D
But
that's
where,
mr
chairman,
the
money,
you
talked
about
some
additional
allocations
in
that
direction
over
this
past,
this
past
spring
have
been
incredibly
helpful,
our
interstates
and
and
primary
parkway
pavements.
All
of
those
are
in
need.
The
potholes
senator
turner
yesterday
was
talking
about
a
pothole
on
our
on
our
primary
pavement
system
out
here
on
versailles,
road
and
I-64.,
and
you
know
when
you
have
those
those
situations
popping
up
on
your
your
interstates.
You
simply
have
to
be
able
to
respond
at
a
moment's
notice.
D
We
have
a
lot
of
projects
identified
under
pm
in
the
road
plan,
but
then
you'll
also
see
some
additional
money
in
z,
various
just
to
give
us
the
ability
to
be
responsive
to
those
specific
issues
when
they
occur.
So
just
a
little
bit
of
a
of
an
overview,
there
happy
to
dig
to
dig
deeper
if
you
like,.
A
One
for
the
committee
also-
and
we
all
get
calls
about
about
roads
that
need
to
be
paved
and
we've
had
this
conversation
before
and
hopefully,
you've
got
updated,
updated
numbers
for
us
that
you
know,
there's
a
schedule
for
paving
highways,
and
I
know
you
inspect
them.
Your
your
district
offices
expect
inspect
roads
and
make
recommendations,
and-
and
you
know
I
remember-
I
figured
several
years
ago
that
you
know
eight
to
12
years.
A
It
was
you
know
most
most,
all
roads
in
in
the
system
would
be
paved
and
as
we
get
calls
now
and
those
those
dollars,
those
2011
dollars,
we're
still
getting
the
same
dollars
as
as
I
tell
folks
when
they
call
me,
the
the
tax
is
the
same
today
as
it
was
in
2011..
A
We're
not
wait,
mr.
A
And
I
wasn't,
I
wasn't
throwing
you
under
the
bus
there,
but,
as
you
know,
those
dollars,
you
know
we're
we're
saying
you're,
saying
you're
experts
say
we're
doing
150
million,
we
should
be
doing
300
million
plus.
Yes,
what
is
it
do
you
know?
Could
you
tell
us
what
the
average
time
frame
now
it
used
to
be
eight
to
twelve
what
it
what
it
is.
Currently,
how
often
are
we
resurfacing
our
roads
today
compared
to
what
we
were
doing
several
years
ago.
D
D
Our
ability
to
address
needs,
particularly
as
prices
increase
and
we've
seen
that
too
over
the
last
few
years,
but
our
ability
to
keep
up
with
the
needs
decreases
and
what
that
does.
Is
it
lengthens
the
pavement
cycle,
the
paving
cycle
rather
and
and
on
the
on
the
interstate
parkway
and
the
primary
side
of
the
ledger
I
mean
we
are.
D
We
are
seeing
cycles
that
are
still
probably
in
the
in
the
10
to
12
year,
pavement
paving
cycle
range
only
because
we
are
allocating
majority
of
the
money
in
that
direction
on
our
state
secondary
system
out
there,
and
certainly
on
bobby
joe's
rural
secondary
system.
D
We
are
seeing
paving
cycles
that
can
go
anywhere
from
12
to
15
years
regularly
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
of
not
having
the
money
to
adequately
spread
across
all
of
the
needs
that
are
identified
and-
and
I
want
to
speak
to
the
needs
side
of
that
too,
just
a
little
bit
because
the
from
from
the
needs
perspective,
you
know
it's
it's
one
thing
to
have
people
recommending
projects
to
you.
It's
another
thing
to
have
a
process
that
actually
evaluates
and
determines
what
should
be
relative
priorities.
D
We
actually
have
very
detailed
equipment
in
our
division
of
maintenance
that
actually
is
driven
along
every
mile
of
road
state
maintained
road
in
kentucky,
and
that
that
that
very
scientific
equipment
is
yielding
results
that
tell
us
the
condition
of
these
pavements
all
across
the
state.
So
we
have,
we
have
a
relativity
base.
If
you
will
about
the
condition
of
pavements
that
we
then
use
to
try
to
schedule
our
preventive
maintenance
applications,
our
repairs
and
our
rehabilitation
or
replacement
schedules.
D
That's
how
everything
is
driven
is
on
the
basis
of
the
relative
need
the
relative
index,
if
you
will
that
a
particular
pavement
has
compared
to
other
pavements
of
its
type.
So
all
of
that
is
very
scientifically
figured
out
and
and
the
projects
that
pop
up
in
this
plan
are
the
ones
that
rise
to
the
top,
and
we
take
the
funding
down
that
list.
As
far
as
we
can
and
then
draw
a
line,
and
those
are
the
ones
that
are
in
here
and
then
anything
else.
A
Is
does
the
cabinet
have
a,
I
guess,
do
you
accumulate
and
have
a
score
card
or
report
card
of
of
you
know
the
changing
of
of
of
the
condition
of
payment?
Are
we
improving?
Are
we
going
back
and
if
you
do
have
that,
can
you
share
that
with
us?
Yes,
sir,.
D
A
A
You
know
we're
on
z,
variance
so
there's
other
questions,
and
hopefully
some
of
the
other
members
will
appreciate
me
asking
some
of
these.
I'm
not
trying
to
bore
them
to
death
or
keep
you
here
too
long,
but
talk
about
the
discretionary
portion
of
z,
various
and
some
examples
of
what
what
that
money's
used.
For.
I
know
we
touched
briefly
on
it,
but
just
actual
some
actual
examples
of
of
contingency
money.
D
Well,
that's
the
question:
are
we
are
we
looking
at
z,
various
amounts,
or
are
we
looking
at
the
fd
39
contingency
account.
A
D
All
right
awesome,
the
the
there
are
two
distinctly
different
ways
of
approaching
the
needed
discretion
that
the
cabinet
has
one
on
the
on
the
state
funded
side.
As
I
mentioned
through
our
budget
process,
we
have
the
secretary's
contingency
account
that
he
can
use
for
emergencies
and
and
safety
issues
that
pop
up
through
the
course
of
a
binium,
and
you
provide
those
monies
to
him
through
the
biennial
budget
and
he's
able
to
execute
those
or
use
those
dollars
in
ways
that
that
he
and
and
commissioner
lewis
keep
very
fine
track
of.
D
I
mean
detailed
track
of
where
those
dollars
go.
So
on
the
one
side,
you
have
those
state
funds
that
can
be
used
in
that
way.
On
the
other
side,
we
have
a
combination
of
state
and
federal
funding.
That
is,
that
is
set
aside.
If
you
will,
through
this
z,
various
category
to
address
a
variety
of
things,
they
typically
fit
into
two
pots:
we're
either
three
pots
actually
you're,
creating
or
setting
up
a
situation
where,
let's
say
the
transportation
enhancement
program.
D
In
the
z
various
account,
we
will
set
up
just
a
single
project
that
says
transportation,
enhancement
funding
and
for
each
year
of
the
binium
and
the
out
four
years
we
will
have
money
listed
that
goes
into
that
transportation
enhancement
program,
so
so
part
of
that
discretion.
If
you
will
revolves
around
the
execution
of
that
program
in
accordance
with
all
the
federal
laws
associated
with
it.
So
so
that's
one
thing.
D
Another
thing
that
we
do
secretary
mentioned
that
we
set
aside
money
in
z,
various
to
occur,
to
account
for
bridge
repairs,
pavement
repairs
and
other
unforeseen
things
that
come
our
way
and
those
are
the
way
that
we
respond
to
projects
like
earlier
this
biennium
we
had
a
bridge
on
the
spencer
anderson
county
line
that
that
was
closed
had
to
be
closed
overnight,
and
we
had
to
had
to
muster
the
resources
to
go
out
and
replace
that
bridge
on
an
accelerated
schedule.
That.
D
But
but
the
only
way
you
know
the
only
way
we
could
get
to
that
that
project
quickly
was
using
that
z
various
account
in
the
road
plan
in
order
to
to
make
those
monies
come
together
quickly
to
get
that
done,
and
we've
done
it
for
other
projects,
other
bridges
around
the
state
where
we've
had
those
emergency
closures,
so
you
have
those
kinds
of
things
that
we
accommodate
as
well.
D
This
account
is
also
used
for
things
like
our
statewide
bridge
inspection
money
that
we
have
to
set
aside
each
year
to
enable
our
engineers
to
go
out
and
inspect
every
single
bridge
in
the
commonwealth.
Every
bridge
in
the
commonwealth
gets
expected,
gets
inspected
at
least
every
other
year
on
our
major
interstate
and
parkways.
We
inspect
them
every
single
year,
because
they
they
typically
carry
more
traffic.
D
So
we
have
those
kinds
of
things
that
are
covered
under
covered
under
z,
various
as
well,
and
then
the
other
thing
I
would
point
out
is
secretary,
mentioned
this
too.
As
far
as
debt
service
on
projects
like
the
louisville
bridges,
like
the
two
big
bridges
down
in
western
kentucky
over
lake
berkeley
and
in
kentucky
lake,
just
trying
to
remember,
we
have
some-
I
think
some
ongoing
debt
service
from
some
I-65
work
that
we
did
a
few
years
ago.
D
So
those
things
also
all
get
characterized
under
z,
various
to
account
for
that
debt
service
payment
in
our
overall
flow
of
federal
funds.
So
many
many
things
go
into
this
account.
Mr
chairman,
this
is
something
the
secretary
and
I
talked
about
before
this
meeting
if
it
would
help
at
all
again,
this
is
one
of
those
things.
D
We
would
be
happy
to
sit
down
with
the
committee
at
any
point
or
sit
down
with
a
representative
of
the
committee
or
staff
and
go
through
every
single
one
of
these
z,
various
line
items
so
that
you
completely
understand
what
we're
attempting
to
do.
A
Well,
you
know
the
better,
we
understand
the
the
you
know.
I
really
really
appreciate
that
representative
stevenson
has
a
question.
B
So
in
in
talking
about
those-
and
you
talked
about
the
bridge
had
to
be
closed
overnight.
So
when
we're
in
an
emergency
situation
and
there's
severe
flooding
and
the
governor
or
the
president
declares
an
emergency,
are
there
funds
that
come
from
that
emergency
declaration
that
we
don't
have
to
use
these
funds
or,
or
is
that
included
here?.
D
You're
exactly
right
there,
there
are
funds
that
we
receive
from
fema
that
that
can
be
used
in
those
instances
and
typically,
what
happens?
Is
the
transportation
cabinet
because
the
the
repairs
are
needed
immediately?
D
We
also
have
emergency
relief
funds
on
the
federal
highway
side
that
are
a
lot
cleaner
in
terms
of
being
able
to
use
and
get
reimbursed
for
a
great
relationship
with
highways
to
get
that
done.
Fema
is
you
know
it's
it's
a
process
that
is,
unlike
any
other
and
issues
on
both
sides
of
the
ledger,
we're
not
throwing
rocks
at
them
a
lot
of
times.
We
we
have
difficulty
getting
all
of
our
facts
together,
so
it's
we
always
have
a.
A
Fema,
I
don't
want
to
keep
going
too
long
on
z,
various,
but
I
do
there.
There
are
other
categories.
I
know
we
recently
did.
There's
school
turn
lanes
and
issues
like
that.
Can
you
tell
us
some
other
other
categories
that
might
come
about
that
that
that
falls
under
z,
various
and
that
appropriation.
D
Sure
and
the
the
the
one
that
the
school
turn
lanes
were
associated
with
what
we
we
call
our
highway
safety
and
highway
safety
improvement
program
and
in
our
typical
highway
plan,
you
will
see
the
hsip
projects
as
a
as
a
line
item
as
we
as
we
put
the
projects
forward
in
the
plan
for
each
year,
and
it's
a
federal
category
that
the
federal
government
makes
amount
a
certain
amount
available
to
us
for
safety
improvements
all
across
the
state.
D
Each
year
we
actually
have
a
staff
dedicated
to
those
who
work
hard
to
put
those
those
projects
in
motion,
as
we
were,
putting
together
the
the
2020
highway
plan.
What
15
16
months
ago,
we
decided
to
add
some
state
funds,
a
state-funded
component
or
additive.
D
So
when
we
had
these
dollars
available
to
us,
as
we
looked
at
at
school
safety
and
what
kinds
of
improvements,
what
kind
of
of
what
could
we
do
to
help
schools
better
accommodate
traffic
in
their
area?
Protect
not
only
people
bringing
dropping
off
students,
but
the
school
kids
themselves
on
buses
and
putting
up
the
the
signs
that
say,
buckle
up
phone
down
all
of
those
things
trying
to
get
the
attention
of
our
of
our
driving
youth.
I
mean
all
of
those
things
seem
to
fit
neatly
into
this
category.
D
So
we
canvassed
our
districts
and
gathered
a
list
together
of
those
projects
that
were
most
known
and
important
to
them
and
then
built
a
program
around
that
to
address
school,
specific
issues
using
that
that
money
that
was
set
up
in
this
particular
account.
So
I
think,
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
have
a
list
of
very
good
projects.
D
A
Okay,
any
any
other
questions
on
on
this
topic
and
we'll
do
this
every
every
month.
Just
mr
sectarian-
and
you
know
just
talk
about
you
know
in
future
meetings,
we'll
talk
about
shift
and
and
how
you
all
will
incorporate
that
that
into
your
role
plan
and
how
legislators
need
to
understand
the
the
shift
project
and
the
and
the
the
projects
in
their
district
that
are
included
in
shift.
They
need
to
be
very,
very
knowledgeable
with
that,
because
we're
going
to
see
that's
that's
the
reason.
A
So
with
that
said
and
and
see,
no
questions
we'll
move
on
to
our
next
next
topic
and
get
bobby
joe
lewis
to
come
forward
and
talk
about
department
of
rural
and
municipal
aid
and
mr
secretary,
I
should.
C
Well,
I
just
want
to
say
that
y'all
that
that
word,
discretionary
is
almost
is
really
misnamed,
because
when
county
judges
call
or
mayors
call
or
rep
representative
mcpherson,
you
know
what
I'm
talking
about
when
you
call
about
that,
there's
not
much
discretion.
When
you
got
a
bridge
out,
there's
not
much
discretion
when
you've
got
an
emergency
and
even,
for
example,
the
there's.
An
economic
in
your
language
in
the
in
the
language
of
the
legislative
language
provides
for
economic
development
as
part
of
this
10
million
dollars
annual
fund.
C
That's
that
that
we
use-
and
that
has
meant
a
turn
lane,
for
example,
to
enact
an
access
for
an
industrial
park
where
a
company
may
have
been
looking
and
considering
location,
and
that
meant
that
the
cabinet
from
the
economic
development
cabinet
is
asking
for
consideration
for
this
request
and
that
comes
over
to
the
transportation
cabinet
and
that
may
be
a
250,
000
or
500
000..
So
just
bear
in
mind
that
out
of
that
10
million,
there
are
a
enormous
load
of
requests
and
every
one
of
the.
C
C
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
discretion
and
the
flexibility
you
all
gave
us
with
that.
Little
bit
of
my
and
earlier
I
got
my
digits
wrong.
I
said
one
tenth
of
one
percent.
It's
actually
closer
that
10
million
dollars
is
closer
to
half
of
one
percent
of
the
annual
expenditures
of
the
cabinet.
A
Well,
mr
secretary,
we
you
know
yeah
this.
This
money
is
very
important
and
and
been
around
as
long
as
I
have
I've.
I've
seen
a
lot
of
times
when
we,
when
that
request,
was
made
for
discretionary
money
and
or
that
emergency
money
was
needed,
not
not
in
a
six-year
road
plan,
but
right
now
right
and
that's
that's
something
that
the
legislature
has
to
continue
to
do
and
trust
that
you
all
will
spend
the
money
wisely
and
you
do
and
and
and
sarah
when
and
that's
how
you
get.
A
Your
request
is
from
our
districts
and
we
appreciate
that
we
and
we
will
make
sure
we
continue
to
properly
fund
it.
Thank
you,
sir.
Yes,
yes.
B
Sir
I'd
just
like
to
publicly
thank
secretary
for
we
had
a
situation
over
there
in
my
district,
where
we
had
the
amish
community,
that
was
was
served
and
they
were
going
to
afford
the
creek
if
he
didn't.
If
we
didn't
fix
that-
and
we
were
going
to
have
a
very
rough
situation
here-
and
we
were
you
know,
that's
the
area
where
they
they
raise
a
lot
of
produce
and
and
that's
their
livelihood,
and
we
got
him
on
the
phone
and
he
was
very
gracious
to
by
that
afternoon.
A
A
She
said
you
probably
know
me
know
me.
You've
probably
talked
to
me
on
the
phone.
I
was
the
county
attorney
in
anderson
county.
I
talked
to
a
lot
of
legislators
and
if
y'all
don't
catch
the
point
there
that
she
talks
to
a
lot
of
legislators,
there
was
a
lot
of
speeding
tickets
going
through
lawrenceburg
and
bobby
joe
got
to
talk
to
a
lot
of
legislators
over
the
years.
Fortunately
I
was
not
one
of
them
and
that's
exactly
what
he
said.
A
So
that
was
the
first
time
we
we
had
met.
I
had
not
met
her
for
a
pre-trial
conference
about
speeding
ticket,
so
thank
you
for
your
service
in
your
prior
life
and
thank
you
for
what
you
do
now
and
you
can
introduce
yourself
and
for
the
record
and
please
proceed
well.
Thank
you
very.
E
Much
chairman
higdon
and
members
of
the
vr
subcommittee
on
transportation
for
having
me
here
today,
it's
my
pleasure
to
be
here.
I
love
nothing
more
than
giving
information
out
about
projects
and
programs
that
are
so
near.
D
E
I
have
a
pretty
big
voice,
so
you
can
probably
hear
me
anyway,
but
the
reason
I'm
here,
as
you
know,
is
to
provide
a
an
overview
of
the
revenue
sharing
program.
Now
we
have
several
pots
of
money,
so
I
did
a
little
bit
on
the
front
end
of
my
presentation
to
explain
to
you
the
other
pots
of
money.
We
have
now
y'all
been
talking
a
lot
about
discretionary
funds,
but
we'll
we'll
get
to
that
toward
the
end.
I
use
the
latter
half
for
that.
If
that's
okay
with
you,
mr
trump.
E
A
Nickels,
it's
like
the
and
you
know
house
bill
44
and
our
tax
rates.
You
know,
and
so
it's
it's
clear
as
mud,
it's
very
difficult
to
get
your
arm
around
the
rule
of
rule
of
fists,
but
I
know
you're
going
to
enlighten
us
all
today
and
we
can
better
understand
that
because
it
does
take
a
a
a
bit
of
getting
used
to
how
we
divide
our
transportation
dollars.
So
sorry
to
interrupt
you
please
proceed.
E
That's
quite
all
right,
sir.
The
revenue
sharing
program
in
the
department
for
rural
and
municipal
aid
is
a
very
exciting
and
beneficial
program
for
all
of
our
communities.
You
all
know
that,
because
you
hear
from
your
judges
and
your
mayors-
and
you
know
everyone-
your
citizens
in
your
counties-
this
is
a
very
big
community
service.
E
I
have
learned
from
starting
at
kytc
that
there
are
so
many
people
there
who
are
dedicated
to
public
service
and
that's
been
my
life
so
and
to
each
of
you.
I
thank
you
so
very
much
for
being
dedicated
to
public
service.
That's
why
I'm
here,
I'm
here
to
serve
my
community
and
I'm
here
to
serve
my
commonwealth,
so
we're
going
to
start
with
the
motor
fuels
tax
receipts
and
translate
that
into
how
the
revenues
for
cities
and
counties
get
to
them.
E
E
All
right,
the
first
thing
I
wanted
to
show.
You,
though,
was
my
very
small
little
department
within
kytc
ruling
municipal
aid.
What
have
we
accomplished
for
all
of
our
communities
in
2021?
So
far?
Okay,
so
july
1
through
april,
the
12th
was
the
day
that
I
got
this
our
17th.
I
got
this
information
in
county
road
aid.
E
Now,
just
as
a
little
aside,
I
want
to
tell
you
that,
as
of
may
the
17th,
we
had
county
road
aid,
emergency
monies
left
of
74
000
because
of
all
the
you
know,
the
rain
and
the
ice
storms
and
everything
that's
happened
across
the
commonwealth.
That's
where
those
emergency
funds
go
and
that's
why
the
discretionary
funds
are
so
important.
E
So,
on
the
municipal
road
aid,
we
have
647
000.,
that's
because
we
only
have
about
34
to
35
percent
of
municipalities
in
the
state
of
kentucky
that
join
the
co-op
and
every
time
I've
been
speaking,
I've
been
telling
your
county
judges
tell
your
mayors
that
their
municipalities
should
be
a
part
of
your
co-op
program.
A
Gas
tax
equation
are,
I
guess,
conversions,
254
million
is
eight
and
a
half
cents.
Yes,.
A
And
in
gas
tax
each
each
penny
of
gas
tax
produces
about
30
million
dollars
to
the
road
fund.
That.
A
A
So
I
just
like
to
put
that
in
in
perspective
where,
where
our
money
is
going,
when
you
look
at
26
cents,
you
know
you
can
take,
you
can
take
what
17
cents
eight
and
a
half
eight
and
a
half
is
17..
You
take
17
cents
off
of
that
and
that's
what
goes.
That's
where
it
goes.
E
Right,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Okay,
the
office
of
rural
and
secondary
roads
is
where
most
of
these
monies
are
processed.
So
we'll
start
with
that.
Now
the
revenue
sharing
breakdown.
This
is
all
statutory.
As
I
said,
the
rural
secondary
allotment
is
containing
krs
177
320
and
the
rule
secondary
portion
of
the
pie
for
revenue
share
breakdown
is
22.2
percent
and
then
you've
got
the
county
road
aid
allotment.
That's
to
your
right,
that's
the
same
statute
and
the
counties
are
allotted.
18.3
percent
of
the
motor
fuels
tax
for
county
roads.
E
E
E
The
second
fifth
is
rural
population
of
the
county
in
relationship
to
the
rural
population
of
the
state,
and
it
may
help
if
I
show,
if
you
look
at
the
bottom,
the
municipal
road
aid
allotment.
First,
you
take
the
population
of
the
city
divided
by
the
statewide
municipal
population,
okay,
so
city
divided
by
total
municipal
population.
E
E
So
that's
another
fifth,
then.
The
third
fifth
is
rural
public
road
mileage
of
the
county
in
relationship
to
total
rural
public
road
mileage
of
the
state
and
then
two
fists
is
the
square
mile
rural
area
of
the
county
in
relationship
to
the
total
square
mile
rule
area
of
the
state.
E
So
those
are
five
fists
and
that's
how
we
do
that.
There's
a
specific
little
program
in
my
department
and
when
we
get
the
final
numbers
from
the
consensus,
forecasting
group
and
the
state
budget
office,
then
our
financial
wizard
over
at
our
office,
her
name's
robin
brewer,
if
you
don't
know
her
and
she's
fantastic,
but
she
takes
those
numbers
and
she
tells
our
department
what
we
have
and
then
we
run
it
through
this
formula
that
imposes
the
formula
fies.
Okay,
all
right.
E
A
E
E
The
tentative
allocations
would
be
in
the
green
is
what's
going
to
interest
you,
the
most
okay
rule,
secondary
road
aid,
22.2
that
I
showed
you
earlier:
156
million
and
some
change
county,
road
aid,
18.3
percent,
129
million
53
000,
and
some
change
municipal
road
aid,
7.7
percent
and
54.3
million.
B
E
All
right,
the
next
slide,
these
colors
mean
something
because
our
next
slide
is
going
to
be
all
blue.
Okay,
we've
got
the
royal
secondary
in
blue,
the
156
million
557
that
I
just
showed
you
and
then
we've
got
the
green,
which
is
county
road
aid,
the
18.3
percent,
and
then
the
yellow
is
municipal
rotate.
E
So
for
fy22,
we're
going
to
have
around
3.8
million
dollars
is
what's
anticipated,
and
I
told
you
earlier
that,
as
of
right
now
we
have
74
000
left,
so
you
can
see
and
a
lot
of
that's
gone
out
since
first
of
the
year,
but
and
we've
done
that
quick,
I
don't
know
if
any
of
your
constituents
have
talked
to
you
about
that.
But
as
commissioner,
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
most
proud
of
is
our
ability
to
process
these
you
know
needs
these
emergency
needs
as
quickly
as
we
do
so
county
and
municipal.
E
E
Well,
what
happens
is-
and
I
was
going
to
explain
this
a
little
bit
more
once
we
get
these
figures
they
are
when
we
get
to
the
co-op
program.
I
was
going
to
tell
you
that
the
60
60
of
these
monies
are
going
to
go
out
to
the
counties
to
start
with
and
then
30
and
30,
okay
and
I'll
explain
a
little
bit
more
about
that
in
a
minute.
So
does
this
refresh?
Yes,
it
does
we'll
have
74.
E
000
is
what
we
have
right
now,
but
we
have
emergency
requests
coming
in
every
day,
so
by
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
we're
probably
going
to
have
zero
and
it
will
be
replenished
when
we
get
the
first
allotment
of
monies
for
the
new
fiscal
year.
Okay,
okay,
thank
you
all
right.
So
that
explains
how
we
do
the
county
and
municipal
road
aid,
but
on
the
rule
secondary
side
we
have
the
rural
secondary
emergency
fund
and
up
to
six
percent,
goes
into
that
and
then
you'll
see
below.
It
are
well
to
the
right.
E
E
That's
where
that
money
comes
from
is
out
of
the
rural
secondary
breakdown.
So
we
have
three
percent
into
that
on
the
state
emergencies.
I've
I've
detailed
on
here
I'm
trying
to
stay
at
about
a
5,
000
foot
view.
So
if
you
all
have
any
questions,
just
let
me
know
on
the
county
side,
they
send
in
the
80
20
bridge,
recommendations
to
our
office.
E
The
requests
are
reviewed
for
available
funding
and
eligibility
and
a
need
assessment
concurrence
from
the
district.
Okay,
because
there's
actually
the
12
transportation
districts
in
the
commonwealth.
They
all
have
chief
district
engineers
and
then
they
have
the
engineering
staff
there
and
they
are
very,
very
smart
people,
because
I've
had
to
talk
to
them
on
numerous
occasions
and
and
they're
just
delightful
to
talk
to,
and
they
always
answer
my
questions.
E
E
The
rule
secondary
lettings,
I'm
going
to
kind
of
go
through
this
a
little
bit,
because
I
know
that
you're
all
wanting
to
get
to
the
discretionary
projects,
so
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
the
weeds
on
the
royal
secondary
lettings,
but
we
anticipate
having
75.4
million
for
rural
secondary
lettings
this
year
and,
as
you
saw
already
for
fy21,
what
was
it
77
million
so
anyway,
flex
funds,
you
off
I'm
sure,
heard
from
your
constituents
about
flex
funds
right
flex.
Funds
this
year
are
anticipated
to
be
27
million
dollars.
E
The
division
of
maintenance
are
the
ones
who
go
out
and
they
look
at
the
levels.
A
level
of
service
ranking
on
these
roads
on
the
rural,
secondary
roads
and
the
level
of
surface
ranking
criteria
are
on
our
slide
here.
E
They
do
write
ability,
appearance
if
there's
obstructions
etc.
The
fencing
guard
rail,
you
know
potholes
the
striping
and
the
signs,
and
I
have
to
tell
you
all.
If
you
haven't
looked
at
some
of
the
pictures,
maybe
sometime,
I
can
come
back
and
bring
some
pictures
for
you,
but
I
asked
one
of
the
engineers
one
day
I
was
like.
I
keep
seeing
this
alligator
cracking
on
these
reports.
You
send,
can
you
tell
me
what
alligator
cracking
is
and
they
sent
me
a
picture,
and
I
was
like
I
see
why
it
got
its
name.
E
It
looks
just
like
the
back
of
an
alligator
so
that
I
found
that
very
interesting.
So
then,
when
you
look
down
to
the
tiers,
you've
got
grades
a
b
c
and
d,
and
that
determines
how
much
flex
funds
go
to
the
counties.
So
this
sounds
kind
of
it
took
my
mind,
a
couple
minutes
to
get
around
it,
because
you
would
think
that
the
worse
the
county
roads
are
that
the
more
money
they
would
need
right.
But
this
is
not
a
statutory
creation.
Flex.
E
Funds
is
a
program
that
is
created
out
of
the
cabinet,
and
we
did
that
because
the
counties
can
flex
their
money
back
if
they
want
to
because
they
meet
with
the
chief
district
engineers
in
their
district
every
year,
and
they
can
flex
the
money
back
or
they
can
use
it
on
their
own
roads,
but
if
they
flex
their
money
back,
the
gra,
the
better,
the
rural
secondary
roads
are
the
higher
ranking
they
get
and
the
more
flex
funds
they
get.
Does
that
make
sense.
E
E
Okay,
so
that's
how
the
flex
funds
work
now,
let's,
let
me
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
the
co-op
program
in
itself.
In
case
you
all
don't
already
know
this.
I
said
earlier
that
only
about
34
to
35
percent
of
the
municipalities
belong
to
the
co-op
program
or
participate
in
it,
and
that
was
one
of
the
main
questions
I
had
when
I
started.
There
is
why
I
mean
we've
got
400
and
some
municipalities
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
Why
don't
they
participate
in
this?
E
E
So
the
make
hole
payment
is
based
on
the
actual
receipts,
not
the
tentative
receipts
on
the
actual
receipts,
so
your
10
percent
at
the
end
may
end
up
being
more.
It
just
depends
on
the
motor
fuels
tax.
Okay,
so
that's
why
we
call
it
the
make
hole
payment
at
the
end,
and
that's
generally,
how
that's
done
now.
Why
do
I
keep
harping
about
municipalities
joining
the
co-op
program
because
if
they
don't
join
the
co-op
program,
they're
not
entitled
to
emergency
funds?
E
E
I
mean
you
all
know
that
I'm
sure
you've
seen
those
bills
and
heard
from
your
constituents.
I
mean
it's,
it's
going
to
take
a
chunk
of
money
to
fix
that.
So
there's
really
no
reason
why
cities
shouldn't
join
the
co-op
on
the
emergency
fund.
We
provided
some
pictures
here
for
you,
the
three
percent
that's
withheld
for
county
and
cities,
road
aid,
it's
placed
in
a
separate
fund
for
county
emergencies
and
city
emergencies
and
the
cities
and
the
counties
can
apply
for
funding
assistance
throughout
the
year.
E
It's
used
on
a
first-come,
first-served
basis
and
we
try
to
make
sure
that
I
mean
if
we've
got
3.6
million
dollars,
we're
not
gonna,
go
in
there
and
build
a
three
million
dollar
bridge
in
one
county.
You
see
what
I
mean.
We
try
to
make
sure
that
the
money
spread
around
to
all
your
districts,
which
is
really
the
fair
thing
to
do,
and
then
the
80
20
match.
E
E
This
is
how
you
submit
your
emergency
request.
This
is
a
tc
2016,
just
fyi.
All
these
forms
are
on
the
kytc
website
under
the
department
from
rural
and
municipal
aid.
We
ask
that
these
be
sent
in
with
pictures
and
a
cost
estimate,
and
you
can
submit
drainage
structures
if
they're
closed
a
closed
structure.
If
the
posting
loads,
lowered
and
school
buses
are
having
a
hard
time,
if
there's
only
one
way
in
one
way
out
all
right
now
to
the
topic
that's
been
mentioned
several
times
today.
The
discretionary
funding,
the
discretionary
funding
is
also
statutory.
E
E
The
initial
allotment
was
16.6
million,
but
1.6
million
of
that
comes
off
the
top
and
goes
to
short
line,
railroad
assistance,
and
then
5
million
goes
to
the
kentucky
pride
fund,
leaving
the
department
10
million
to
assist
with
your
needs,
and
this
year
you
all
were
gracious
enough
to
add
10
million
in
house
bill
193
and
you
don't
know
how
thankful
we
were.
I
was
doing
a
jig
when
I
found
that
out,
because
I
knew
how
many
requests
I
had
and
you
know
it's.
I
really
want
to
help
people
with
the
their
worst
projects.
E
I
mean,
I
understand
the
fiduciary
responsibilities
of
what
what
I'm
doing
as
well,
but
I
also
want
to
be
able
to
help
the
people
who
are
in
need,
and
that
was
going
to
be
pretty
bad
because
we
just
didn't
have
the
money
to
do
it.
So
I
thank
you
very
much
and
I
know
the
secretary
and
everybody
else
in
transportation
thanks
you
for
that
as
well.
E
Comparatively
I
did
throw
this
in
here.
Just
so
y'all
know.
The
amount
allocated
in
the
previous
four
years
was
31
million,
which
was
a
net
of
24.4
million,
and
it
was
decreased,
14.4
million
okay.
What
can
discretionary
funds
be
used
for
across
the
commonwealth,
resurfacing,
bridge
replacement,
intersection,
construction,
economic
and
industrial
development
projects,
safety
and
emergency
issues
etc,
and
that
is
set
out
in
45-247,
which
can
be
changed
by
the
legislature
in
any
cycle,
so
we
we
just
have
to
see
how
that
goes
and
what
you
all
tell
us.
E
We
can
do
with
it.
Okay
now
we
also
discretionary
funding.
Projects
require
a
higher
threshold
of
need
outside
what
is
met
through
other,
our
other
pots
of
money
or
other
programs.
If
you
will
it's
important
to
note
that
we
do
our
best
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
office
of
rural
secondary
road
funding
options
are
exhausted.
First,
okay,
because
we
have
the
emergency
pot,
we
have
the
80
20
bridge
program.
We
have
flex
funds
flex
funds
have
a
lower
threshold.
E
E
What's
it
look
like
well,
according
to
the
district
engineers
that
I've
talked
to
a
10,
is
the
worst
of
the
worst
you've
got
your
road
falling
apart
base
failures,
alligator
cracking
transverse,
cracking
and
just
all
kinds
of
stuff
and
you've
patched
it
and
patched
it
and
that's
not
working
anymore.
That's
a
10,
the
worst
of
the
worst.
So
that's
the
best
way
for
me
to
describe
it
to
you
and
then
we
we
go
on
down
the
ladder.
E
E
They
can
present
safety
issues
that
kind
of
thing,
so
we
like
for
people
when
they
submit
their
roads
to
use
flex
funds
for
the
ones
that
are,
you
know
not
as
bad
as
the
rest.
That's
why,
when
I
talk
to
county
judges,
I
tell
you
know:
yes,
we
have
some
discretionary
funds,
but
please
send
me,
send
me
your
worst
roads.
I
want
your
worst
roads
in
discretionary.
E
E
E
We
ask
that
you
use
the
milepoint
assistance
map,
that's
also
on
our
website.
The
mile
point
assistance
map,
if
you've
never
looked
at
it
is,
is
just
a
modern,
technological
miracle.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I
mean
you
can
really
go
on
there
and
tag
your
roads
and
you
can,
you
know,
go
down
like
google
earth,
you
know
you
can
look
at
it,
you
can
see
it
and
we
know
where
the
road
is
okay.
E
E
Okay,
so
when
the
requests
come
in,
we
ask
that
they
come
in
with
a
cost
estimate.
You
can
email
them
snail,
mail
them
and
hand
carry
them.
I
even
met
a
judge
executive
in
the
at
the
beginning
of
covid.
He
wanted
to
hand
carry
his
request
and
I
met
him
in
the
parking
garage,
so
that
was
pretty
cool
once
we
get
it
we're
going
to
log
it
in
and
we're
going
to
send
it
out
to
the
chief
district
engineers
office,
and
then
they
have
designated
personnel
within
their
office.
E
That's
going
to
go
out
to
each
county
and
they're,
going
to
review
the
worlds,
we're
going
to
look
at
them
and
see
what
the
condition
of
it
is.
If
there's
base
failures,
etc
and
they're
going
to
send
it
back
to
us
with
a
needs
assessment
ranking
once
we
get
it
back,
then
we
put
it
my
executive
advisor
gail
smith.
She
keeps
a
wonderful
master
log
of
these.
It's
amazing!
I
can
sort
them
by.
You
know
tens.
You
know
if
I
want
to
see
the
worst
roads
in
the
commonwealth
that
have
applied
for
funding.
E
I
can
do
that
and
it's
it's
totally
amazing,
so
she
updates
that
and
then
she
goes
through
and
checks
all
of
them
to
check
to
make
sure
the
mile
points
are
accurate,
that
we're
on
a
county
road.
E
You
know
that
it's
every
county
road
should
have
a
number,
so
she
goes
through
and
checks
all
of
that
then,
once
we
get
all
of
that
together,
then
we
try
to
go
through
it
and
get
the
worst
roads
so
that
we're
getting,
I
mean,
pardon
the
analogy,
but
the
most
bang
for
your
buck.
You
know
I
mean
you
all
want
us
to
use
that
money
most
efficiently
and
productively
as
possible.
E
So
when
we're
looking
through
them
we're
looking
at
the
number
of
the
most
economic
impact
for
the
number
of
businesses,
the
number
of
homes,
the
number
of
your
constituents
that
are
going
to
be
helped,
that's
all
the
considerations
that
go
into
that.
E
So
I'm
I'm
at
the
end
of
what
I
had
prepared.
If
you
have
questions
of
me,
I
am
certainly
willing
to
answer
them
and
if
I
don't
know
the
answer,
I'll
find
it
out.
Commissioner.
E
A
All
of
you
all
of
you
all
that
don't
have
that
number.
Please
write
it
down
because
that's
you
will
get
your
if
your
county
judge
hasn't
called
you
about
discretionary
money,
yet
they
will,
and
this
this
is
the
phone
number
that
you
need
to
check
that
out.
I
do
have
one
question:
I
don't.
A
Else
has
any
or
not
we're
going
to
wrap
this
up,
pretty
quick.
We
got
another
meeting
coming
in
kentucky
pride
fund.
Yes,
sir,
explain
that
to
to
to
the
committee,
because
it
briefly,
if
you
will.
E
Well,
the
kentucky
pride
fund-
all
I
know,
is
that
the
kentucky
pride
fund
gets
like
5
million
dollars
off
the
top
of
the
discretionary
funds
and,
if
you
all
want
to
jump
in
here,
if
you
know
more
about.
A
D
A
We
we
talked
about
tax
expenditures
and
money.
We
talked
about
it
yesterday,
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
discussions
about
money
that
comes
out
of
the
transportation
fund.
That
really
should
be
picked
up
by
someone
else.
So
we're
going
to
have
those.
A
As
we
go
forward,
this
has
been
very
elementary
and
very
good,
and
we
appreciate
you
all
just
I
know
for
myself
as
a
new
chairman
and
for
the
new
members
and
even
some
you
know
I've
been
here
a
long
time
and
some
of
this
it
helps
me
better
understand
it
so
sure
I
appreciate
you
all
taking
the
time
and
and
making
this
very,
very
easy
to
understand,
and
hopefully
all
of
our
members.
It
was
beneficial
to
everybody.
A
I
didn't
see
anybody
get
up
and
leave
early
so
that
that
that
means
that
they
weren't
bored
and-
and
we
appreciate
that
any
any
questions
from
anybody
on
the
on
the
committee
good
deal.
Our
our
next
meeting
is
july.
The
7th
chairman,
santero
santoro,
will
be
in
in
charge,
and
I
don't
know
what
good
things
we'll
talk
about,
but
as
we
prepare
for
the
budget,
this
is
all
good
stuff.
So
again,
thank
you
all
for
the
valuable
information
today
motion
to
adjourn
and
we
are
adjourned.