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A
We
have
a
quorum
and
I'm
going
to
skip
on
the
agenda
just
for
a
moment,
go
down
to
numbers
five
and
six
for
the
members.
Correspondence
from
jenny,
bannister
and
list
of
reports
received
just
want
to
note
that
those
lists
and
correspondence
are
in
our
committee,
packets
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
please
please
direct
to
the
staff
for
myself.
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Otherwise,
we
have
received
that
correspondence
and
reports
that
lists
things
received
from
the
executive
branch.
That'll
take
care
of
five
and
six,
let's
get
back
up
to
number
two,
and
that
is
status,
update
on
kentucky
michelle
p
and
supports
for
community
living
sel,
medicaid
waiver
programs.
This
issue
was
on
for
budget
review
subcommittee
meeting
with
chair
bentley
earlier
this
morning
and
lisa
lee
commissioner
and
pam
smith,
director
were
on
the
agenda.
We
kind
of
run
close
on
time.
I
I
I
I
We
have
over
100
private
provider
members.
Is
that
better?
Okay?
Thank
you.
We
have
over
100
members
who
provide
services
to
people
with
idd
combined.
Our
members
support
over
10
000
individuals
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities
generally
through
the
supports
for
community
living
and
michelle
p
waiver.
But
some
individuals
with
disabilities
do
receive
services
through
the
home
and
community-based
waiver
just
a
little
background
information
in
context
for
everyone.
We
do
have
five
1915
c
waivers:
they
are
the
abi.
I
The
home
community
base
the
model
2,
the
michelle
p
waiver
and
the
scl,
the
michelle
p
waiver
and
the
sel
are
specifically
for
individuals
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities,
who
would
be
admitted
to
an
institutional
setting
or
nursing
facility.
If
these
waiver
services
were
not
available-
oh
goodness,.
I
It
is
a
significant
cost
and
actually
my
slides,
aren't
working
so
I'll,
just
kind
of
run
through
this.
If
you
compare,
if
you
compare
this,
for
example,
the
supports
for
community
living
waiver,
which
is
a
residential
waiver,
that
costs
on
average
215
dollars
per
day
to
provide
that
care,
an
icf
is
about
1
275
per
day.
I
I
And
just
for
context,
the
michelle
p
waiver,
which
is
a
non-residential
waiver
costs
about
thirty
three
thousand
five
hundred
and
thirty
dollars
per
year
per
person,
still
significantly
less
than
that
twelve
hundred
dollars
a
day
that
we
receive
in
institutional
settings.
We
do
have
significant
wait
lists,
I'm
sure
the
department
for
medicaid
services
and
the
division
of
community
alternatives
will
speak
to
that.
They
have
the
most
up-to-date
information,
but
multi-year
weights
are
common
and
I'm
sure
you've
all
heard
about
it.
A
I
I
I
do
they're
a
little
bit
out
of
date
that
I
learned
in
our
last
presentation
but
they're
about
right.
So
our
michelle
p
waiver,
it's
7492
and
I
think
it's
actually
a
little
bit
less
than
that
because
they
allocated
slots
this
week
and
for
our
scl.
It
is
2980
with
121
of
those
being
urgent
mean
that
they
need
a
place
to
live
pretty
soon
and
2765
for
future
planning
and
just
there
I
have
some
average
times
to
wait
to
be
on
the
waitlist
for
michelle
p
waiver
it's
about
2.9
years
and
for
scl.
I
Yes,
so
for
the
supports
for
community
living
waiver
that
wait
list
is
almost
triaged.
So
when
you
become
eligible
that
you
get
an
evaluation
and
they
kind
of
evaluate,
do
you
need
a
slot
urgently?
Can
you
wait
a
few
years?
Are
you
just
planning
for
the
future
et
cetera,
so
our
most
critical
needs
are
at
the
top,
and
anyone
on
the
supports
for
community
living
waitlist
can
apply
for
an
emergency
slot,
meaning
that
would
they
become
homeless
tomorrow?
Are
they
suddenly,
you
know,
has
a
parent
caregiver
died?
I
Do
they
suddenly
need
a
place
to
live?
You
can
apply
for
an
urgent
slot
at
any
point
and
that
automatically,
if
accepted,
into
an
urgent
placement,
bumps
you
to
the
top
of
the
list
before
anyone
else.
The
michelle
p
waiver
wait
list.
There
has
been
discussion
of
some
people
being
on
the
waitlist
that
aren't
necessarily
eligible
for
the
services.
I
It's
my
understanding
that
the
department
for
medicaid
services
and
the
division
of
community
alternatives
in
the
past
five
years
have
worked
hard
to
go
back
through
that
wait
list
and
to
ensure
that
everyone
who
is
on
the
wait
list
actually
qualifies
for
services
and
it's
my
understanding
that
a
tremendous
amount
of
people
have
been
moved
off
the
waitlist
because
they
aren't
actually
eligible.
They
would
have
those
numbers,
I'm
not
sure
what
those
are
but
the.
I
I
It
revealed
two
things
number
one
that
providers
have
been
significantly
impacted
in
revenue
and
providers
have
been
significantly
impacted
in
workforce.
Now
when
we
talk
about
revenue,
let's
keep
in
mind
here.
These
providers
are
100
medicaid
reimbursed
they
get
no
money
from
other
payers.
So
when
we
talk
about
revenue
and
workforce,
we
can't
just
increase
wages.
We
can't
just
find
other
sources.
It's
kentucky,
medicaid,
that's
footing
the
bill.
I
91
percent
of
respondents
reported
that
they'd
experience
significantly
lost
revenue
as
a
direct
result
of
the
coven
19
pandemic.
The
average
lost
revenue
of
those
who
reported
they
lost
revenue
was
six
hundred
and
eighty
two
thousand
six
hundred
and
twenty
four
dollars.
So
for
providers
who
are
not
billing
in
the
tens
of
million
dollars
per
year.
That's
significant
these
providers,
generally
speaking,
they
they.
They
operate
off
paper
thin
margins.
So
that's
a
massive
hit
for
someone
to
suddenly
lose
682
000
in
one
year.
I
I
Now,
on
to
workforce,
54.7
percent
of
respondents
reported
that
the
greatest
challenge
they
currently
face
is
recruiting
and
retaining
staff
that
we
call
them
our
direct
support.
Professional
staff.
There
are
caregiving
staff,
86
percent
of
respondents
report
this-
that
they'd
experience,
difficulty
recruiting
and
retaining
staff,
despite
offering
enhanced
wages,
overtime
bonuses,
sign-on
bonuses,
basically
anything
that
they
can
think
of.
I
So
of
those
people
who
report
of
that
86
percent
77
percent
are
residential
providers.
Now,
let
me
tell
you
why
this
is
significant.
Our
residential
providers
have
been
providing
24
hour
a
day,
seven
day
a
week
care
since
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic.
This
is
shift
work
and
they
are
legally
required
to
staff
all
shifts.
These
are
individuals
who
generally
need
24-hour
supervision,
so
they
have
to
find
staff
for
every
single
shift.
I
I
Kentucky
waiver
providers
have
struggled
for
a
long
time
recruiting
and
retaining
staff.
Again,
our
wages
are
tied
to
our
reimbursement
rate
and
a
2000.
The
navigate
study
which
took
place
in
2018
revealed
that
providers
could
only
pay
about
ten
dollars
an
hour.
It
varies
somewhat
by
service,
but
it's
around
there
for
all
services.
I
I
So
I
don't
have
any
2020
data
on
that,
but
I
would
venture
to
say
that
it's
gone
up
from
47.
So
why
do
we
have
this
turnover?
It's
the
low
wages
and
it's
the
emotionally
and
physically
demanding
nature
of
the
work.
These
are
not.
I
I
Recent
research
from
the
council
on
quality
and
leadership
has
indicated
that
high
dsp
turnover
negatively
impacts
the
health,
safety
and
welfare
of
individuals
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities
and
significantly
hinders
their
quality
of
life.
Dsp
turnover
results
in
increased
critical
incidents,
er
visits
and
hospitalizations,
which
are
costly.
We
know.
Research
also
shows
that
dsp
continuity
reduces
instances
of
abuse
and
neglect.
I
Dsp
workforce
affects
an
individual's
ability
to
access
waiver
services
if
there's
no
workforce,
there's
no
services.
So
what
we're
seeing
is
individuals
who,
for
example,
are
choosing
the
consumer
driven
option
where
they
hire
and
fire
their
own
staff
can't
find
qualified
staff
because
they
can't
afford
to
pay
them.
I
It's
also
had
a
significant
impact
on
providers.
Obviously,
the
pandemic
has
had
an
effect
on
all
businesses,
but,
as
the
survey
data
we
discussed
a
minute
ago,
talks
about
or
suggests
whether
is
that
waiver
providers
have
been
uniquely
impacted.
So
what's
happened
is
we're
operating
at
critically
low
staffing
level
levels
with
significantly
increased
overtime
costs
and
reduced
revenue.
It's
a
recipe
for
disaster,
there's
also
significant
costs
associated
with
frequently
onboarding
new
employees
all
while
and
all
this
is
done,
while
providing
24-hour
care.
I
So
right
now,
we've
got
a
providers
who
are
constantly
hiring
every
single
week,
scheduling
interviews,
trying
to
hire
trying
to
keep
get
people
on
staff
and
in
order
to
hire
a
new
employee
in
these
services,
you
have
to
do
a
background
check.
You
have
to
do
a
drug
screen
and
you
have
to
train
them
all
of
those
things
cost
money,
and
what
we're
seeing
is
that
once
people,
you
know,
they'll
come
for
the
interview.
I
They'll
get
hired
on
they'll,
come
to
the
training
in
day,
one
or
maybe
even
day,
10
they'll
quit,
because
they
just
say
this
job.
The
stress
of
this
job
is
not
worth
what
they're
paying
me.
Meanwhile,
that
providers
invested
a
tremendous
amount
of
money
into
trying
to
onboard
that
staff,
but
and
they
don't
get
reimbursed
for
those
costs
either.
I
Also,
this
has
an
impact
on
waitlists
providers
have
reported
that
they're
currently
turning
down
referrals,
despite
having
capacity
because
they
don't
have
the
workforce,
so
they
have
homes
with
empty
rooms
where
individuals
could
be
safely
living
and
not
in
an
institution
but
they're
turning
down
those
referrals,
because
they
don't
have
the
staff
to
provide
the
care,
we're
never
going
to
be
able
to
meaningfully
address
our
wait
list
issues.
If
we
do
not
address
the
staffing
crisis.
I
Again,
just
some
policy
considerations
to
keep
in
mind.
These
are
100
medicaid,
funded
services.
It
is
an
impossible
for
providers
to
raise
wages
without
a
corresponding
rate
increase.
I
We've
seen
walmart
mcdonald's
starbucks
hiring
at
15
to
20
dollars
an
hour,
and
it
is
impossible
for
these
waiver
providers
to
compete
with
those
wages.
Additionally,
we're
hearing
from
the
federal
government
that
it's
likely
that
the
minimum
wage
is
going
to
increase,
maybe
to
15
an
hour.
We
have
to
think
about
that
too,
when
we
think
about
these
waiver
services,
because
these
providers
will
not
be
able
to
afford
those
kinds
of
wages
under
the
current
rates.
I
So
what
are
solutions?
We
have
two
number
one.
We
have
one-time
funds
coming
to
the
state
of
kentucky
from
the
american
rescue
plan
act,
specifically
it's
in
the
form
of
a
federal
match,
specifically
for
hcbs
services.
We
think
that
it'll
be
about
96
million
dollars
again,
because
it's
a
federal
match
it's
based
on
spending,
but
if
spending
holds
steady,
it's
probably
going
to
be
around
that
much
money.
I
I
Eventually,
though,
one
time
money
is
not
going
to
solve
this
workforce
crisis,
it's
going
to
help
in
the
short
term,
but
we
need
a
long-term
fix
and
we
need
to
implement
long-term
funding
strategies
in
the
next
budget
designed
to
address
our
hcbs
workforce
crisis,
especially
in
light
of
the
15
the
looming
15
minimum
wage.
We
have
budget
language
that
we
would
be
happy
to
work
with
you
on
that
addresses
that
we
can
specifically
identify
specific
services
that
would
need
the
rate
increase.
I
It
wouldn't
necessarily
need
to
be
an
across-the-board
unilateral
rate
increase
and
also
we
would
require
that
providers
pass
along
75
percent
of
any
rate
increase
onto
employees
that
additional
25
percent
will
be
reserved,
so
providers
can
pay
the
increased
payroll
taxes
that
happen
as
a
result
of
increasing
wages
and
also
deal
with
wage
compression
issues.
Increased
management
staff
wages
things
like
that.
I
I
J
J
I
So,
just
for
some
context,
any
individual
who
receives
services
in
the
michelle
p
or
scl
waiver.
It's
likely
that
they
also
receive
their
health
care
from
the
medicaid
program
and
are
probably
enrolled
in
an
mco.
I
These
waiver
services
are
non-health
services,
we've
gotten
waivers
from
them
from
the
federal
government
and
they
are
state
plan
they're,
not
meeting
they're,
not
mco,
funded
et
cetera,
they
kind
of
come
from
a
separate
pool
of
money,
and
commissioner
lee
is
on
this
call-
and
she
can
correct
me
later-
if
I
misspeak
about
this-
but
so
what's
interesting
about
these
waiver
services
and
years
ago,
and
I
believe
it
was
circa
2010
to
2012,
we
made
a
transition
of
seo
one
waiver
to
sel
two
waiver,
we're
currently
in
scl2
and
actually
the
rates
decreased
and-
and
I
wasn't
in
my
position
then
so-
I'm
speaking
from
what
others
have
told
me.
I
2016
or
17
budget
somewhere
around
there,
it
was
a
10
rate
increase
and
they
were
able
to
argue
the
supports
for
community
living
waiver
is
the
only
waiver
that
pays
a
provider
tax,
it's
5.5
percent
of
revenue
and
that
provider
tax
was
implemented
in
order
to
fund
rate
increases,
they'd
been
paying
that
tax
for
14
years
and
finally,
we're
like
hey:
we've
been
paying
this
tax
for
14
years.
Can
we
get
that
rate
increase,
and
so
that
was
implemented?
K
Thank
you,
chairman
petrie,
I'd
like
to
kind
of
follow
up
on
your
original
question,
about
the
the
reimbursement
for
these
respective
services
and,
as
maybe
reading
your
mind
a
little
bit,
but
I'm
thinking,
probably
your
thought
was.
If
we
could
place
people
in
nursing
homes
currently
in
nursing
homes
in
the
waiver
program,
then
the
cost
difference
would
probably
fund
a
lot
of
those
slots.
I'm
just
not
sure
how
many
I
think
it
certainly
is
an
option
we
need
to
explore
and
look
at
I'm
just
not
sure
how
significant
it
is.
I
Yes,
so
to
answer
your
question:
when
we're
talking
about
specifically
institutional
settings,
we
have
institutional
settings
that
are
idd
specific.
All
of
those
individuals
may
be
appropriate
to
transition
out,
but
I'll
tell
you.
You
could
allocate
10
000
slots
tomorrow
and
we
wouldn't
have
the
workforce
to
actually
care
to
provide
the
care
for
those
slots.
K
It's
a
double-edged
sword
and
I
appreciate
that,
but
chairman
peter,
I
think
your
line
of
questioning
there
is
something
worth
pursuing
a
little
bit
further.
I
think
there
is
potential
to
have
a
more
appropriate
allocation
of
care
than
what
we've
seen
in
the
past,
but
again
because
of
the
lack
of
slots.
We
don't
know,
but
maybe
that's
something.
We
can
challenge
the
cabinet
to
give
us
some
information
on,
but
yeah.
A
A
E
D
You,
mr
chair,
I
know
you
were
asked
this.
G
Question
in
budget
review
subcommittee,
how
much
is
the
workforce
issue
related
to
unemployment
insurance,
extra
payments
from
unemployment
insurance?
Are
people
not
coming
back
to
work
because
of.
I
That
so,
it
definitely
is
related.
Like
I
said,
we've
had
workforce
problems
for
a
while,
but
they
since
the
coven
19
pandemic,
they
have
gotten
significantly
worse
and
it's
a
two-prong
problem,
one
as
you
alluded
to
the
extra
unemployment
has.
Certainly
we
I've
heard
from
my
members
has
kept
a
lot
of
people
from
coming
back
to
work.
I
Two
is
that
if
they
were
considering
coming
back
to
work
now,
providers
can't
afford
to
pay
as
much
as
all
of
the
other
businesses
who
are
having
trouble
recruiting
employees,
because
our
businesses
just
can't
raise
rates,
there's
no
one
to
pass
along
that
cost.
To
there's
no
customer,
the
customer
is
kentucky
medicaid.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
just
curious.
My
little
brother
was
actually
in
one
of
these
programs
a
little
quick
story.
He
was
going
to
a
day
center
that
day
center
offered
some
of
these
housing
opportunities.
F
They
talked
him
into
coming
to
spend
the
night
this
was
before
I
became
his
guardian.
That's
why
I'm
his
guardian
now
and
then
he
stayed
and-
and
I
had
no
control
over
that-
and
they
talked
him
into
staying
in
this
program.
They
also
kept
his
monthly
check
his
ssi
and
social
security
on
top
of
whatever
their
reimbursement
was
that's
about
700
and
some
dollars
a
month.
How
is
that
calculated
into
the
reimbursement
and
what
these
employees
are
getting
or
what
the
owners
of
these
companies
are
getting
or
or
anything
else?
I'm
just
wondering.
F
Is
that
taken
into
consideration,
or
is
that
normal?
Because
I
was
unsure
that
that's
that's
a
process.
I
ended
up
having
to
take
deputies
to
go
pick
him
up
from
one
of
these
houses
and
filing
for
custody
of
him,
so
in
guardianship
to
make
sure
that
it
didn't
happen
again.
But
these
people
were
clearly
in
it
for
profit
reasons,
and
I'm
just
wondering
how's
that
calculated.
I
These
things
are
heavily
monitored
by
state
guardianship
and
by
all
of
the
oversight
agencies
to
ensure
that
these
providers
are
charging
fair
rates.
But
I
will
tell
you
that
the
room
and
board
truly
just
does
cover
the
room
and
board
our
residential
reimbursement.
I
Is,
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me,
but
it's
about
300
a
day
and
you
for
24-hour
care.
So
yes,
that
room
and
board
does
help
supplement.
But
these
providers
are
still
not
getting
rich
off
these
services
and
they
still
cannot
afford
to
raise
the
wages
of
their
staff
to
provide
so
that
they
can
recruit
and
retain
qualified
staff.
But
all
these
providers
want
to
do
is
be
able
to
pay
staff
more
and
they
can't.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Lee
director
smith.
E
A
A
A
Thank
you
very
much,
please
proceed
and
understand
we
had.
This
is
a
continuation
of
a
meeting
this
morning
and
you've
heard
what's
been
spoken
of
so
far.
So
if
you
will
fill
in
as
needed,
inappropriate
place.
E
Thank
you.
I
think,
as
we've
heard
today
in
this
population
that
we
are
taking
care
of
in
the
waivers,
definitely
a
very
vulnerable
population
that
can
be
taken
advantage
of
without
if
they
don't
have
the
appropriate
individuals
looking
out
for
them
and
taking
care
of
them.
So
we
we
definitely
take
our
waiver
programs
very
seriously.
The
individuals
that
we
serve
do
need
additional
care.
I'd
like
to
point
out
that,
in
the
state's
testimony
she
did
say
that
these
programs
are
100
financed
by
medicaid,
and
that
is
true.
E
All
the
waiver
services
that
allow
individuals
to
remain
in
their
home
are
100
financed
by
medicaid,
because
there's
no
other
program
to
do
this.
There
is
no
other
program
insurance
carrier
that
will
provide
the
services
that
individuals
need
to
remain
in
their
home,
such
as
personal
supports
and
those
sorts
of
things.
Now.
Individuals
in
the
waiver
programs
have
that
those
those
waiver
supports,
and
then
they
have
state
plan
services
which
consist
of
medical
services.
E
So
I
think
it's
really
important
for
us
to
look
at
individuals
who
are
in
our
waiver
programs,
make
sure
that
they're,
if
they
do
have
other
private
insurance,
that
their
medical
needs
are
being
met
by
their
other
insurance
carriers
rather
than
than
putting
a
lot
of
that
up
on
medicaid,
and
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
be
fiscally
responsible
in
our
programs.
E
We
business
state
said
we
do
have
an
enhanced
hcbs
funding
that
we
are
allowed
to
access.
We
have
to
get
a
plan
to
cms
within
30
days.
That
plan
was
due
around
june
the
13th,
but
we
did
request
and
received
approval
from
cms
to
extend
our
submission
date,
another
30
days,
because
we
want
to
develop
a
very
well
thought
out
plan
on
how
we
want
to
spend
that
money.
We
have
been
engaging
with
providers.
We've
even
pulled
their
members
to
try
to
determine
how
to
best
use
those
funds.
E
Again,
we
can
use
those
funds
to
expand,
enhance
or
strengthen
our
hcbs
programs.
We
can't
really
or
will
not
implement
anything,
that's
going
to
need
ongoing
funding
again.
This
is
a
one-time
opportunity
for
us
to
strengthen
our
waivers
again.
We,
as
you
know
the
previous
administration
embarked
on
a
waiver
redesign.
E
We
want
to
really
look
at
the
the
product,
the
document
that
was
developed
during
that
that
redesign
this
administration
started
to
continue
that
redesign
and
we
had
pushback
from
providers.
We
had
some
concern
because,
in
order
for
us
to
go
forward
with
that
redesign
we
would
had
to
have
we
would
for
it
to
be
budget
neutral.
We
would
have
had
to
take
them
from
one
provider
group
to
another
and,
as
you've
heard
already,
the
provider
rates
are
are
low
and
could
be
potentially
impacting
provider,
recruitment,
retention
of
employees.
E
E
We
have
determined
we'd
need
approximately
43
million
additional
dollars
each
year
to
to
go
forth
with
that
redesign
and
with
the
hcb
enhanced
funding
again
we're
going
to
need
appropriations
from
the
state
to
meet
our
state
match
on
the
the
funding
for
the
hcbs
program.
For
those
enhanced
funds
from
cms
that
for
those
one-time
funds,
so
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
pam
and
again
she
has
presented,
has
delivered
this
presentation
once
so
we'll
go
through
that
very
quickly
and
then
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
H
Thank
you,
commissioner.
I
am
pam
smith,
the
director
of
the
division
of
community
alternatives,
and
we
provide
oversight
for
all
of
our
1915
chcbs
waivers.
H
I
want
to
provide
just
a
little
information
on
on
waitlist
and
I
included
information
about
all
of
our
waivers
one.
I
want
to
highlight
that
we
worked
very
hard
to
eliminate
the
wait
list
in
both
abi
waivers
we're
seeing
unprecedented
growth
in
hcb
model.
2
has
remained
steady
and
then
our
two
waivers
that
still
have
the
wait
list
are
michelle
p
and
scl.
H
So
at
that
point,
michelle
p,
there
were
seven
thousand
four
hundred
and
forty
one
individuals
on
that
wait
list
I'll
go
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
those
individuals
in
just
a
second
for
scl
there's
a
total
of
286
individuals,
but
2765
of
those
are
on
future
planning,
and
it's
important
to
note
that
sometimes
those
are
even
children
that
a
family
knows
that
at
some
point
in
time
in
their
life,
they
may
need
to
receive
those
services,
so
they're
placed
on
that
list
specifically
for
future
planning.
H
The
individuals
on
the
urgent
list
typically
need
services
within
a
year
or
sooner,
but
at
any
point
in
time
any
individual
on
either
the
urgent
or
the
future
planning
list
can
apply
for
emergency
status
and
can
be
granted
a
slot
for
michelle
p.
Just
to
note,
we
are
in
the
process
of
allocating
175
additional
slots.
Hopefully
we'll
have
those
out
by
the
end
of
this
week,
just
some
information
on
the
waiting
list.
H
When
we
look
at
at
how
it's
comprised
so
the
average
age
of
an
individual
on
michelle
p
waiting
list
is
16.
73,
so
50
over
5400
are
actually
younger
than
21.
H
15
of
the
individuals
that
are
on
the
wait
list
are
accessing
services
in
another
waiver.
The
majority
of
those
have
been
our
hcb,
although
we
do
have
a
few
that
are
on
scl,
but
they
do
not
wish
to
give
up
their
spot
on
the
michelle
p
waiting
list.
So
we
allow
them
that
that
option,
because
it's
their
freedom
to
choose
which
waiver
they
wish
to
receive
services
in
the
average
time
that
an
individual
is
on
the
wait
list
is
three
years,
however.
H
The
oldest
or
the
longest
someone's
been
on
has
been
six
years.
We
add
an
average
of
78
individuals
a
month
to
the
michelle
p
wait
list
so
far
since
the
beginning
of
2021,
we've
allocated
350
individuals,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
about
to
allocate
another
175.
H
We've
been
allocating
every
90
days
and
the
reason
we
wait
90
days
is:
it
takes
a
period
of
time
for
someone
to
get
their
allocation
to
reach
out
and
get
an
assessment
and
then
to
get
a
plan
of
care
developed
and
to
re
to
receive
services
so
that
slot
actually
is
not
considered
taken
until
that
individual
receives
their
first
service
for
scl,
the
average
age
of
individual
on
the
scl
waitlist,
and
this
is
combined
between
the
the
urgent
and
the
future
planning
90-
are
accessing
services
in
another
waiver,
a
large
percentage
of
those
are
receiving
michelle
p
services.
C
I
do,
mr
chairman,
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
pam
you.
We
were
on
the
waiting
list
and
amy
thought
that
we
had
weeded
that
list
out
some.
I
remember
a
few
years
ago
we
started
a
process
whereby
the
cabinet
was
trying
to
go
through
and
kind
of
assess
those
on
the
michelle
p
list
to
see
who
would
actually
qualify.
Are
we
taking
any
steps
now
to
preclude
them
being
on
the
list
for
three
five
years
or
are
all
of
those
folks
going
to
actually
qualify.
H
So,
as
you
know
that
that
endeavor
got
stopped
shortly
after
it
was
started,
for
there
were
regulatory
reasons
that
stopped
that
process
but
beginning
in
2016,
the
individuals
had
to
apply
through
mwma,
and
we
have
a
much
stricter,
there's
a
validation
process
that
they
actually
do
have
an
intellectual
or
developmental
excuse
me,
disability.
We
look
at
the
documentation
that
they
submit,
so
it
is
very
unlikely
that
anybody
now
from
that
point
forward
that
got
added
to
the
wait
list
would
not
meet
level
of
care.
H
A
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
ask
a
question
really
quickly,
and
this
is
gonna
be
a
hard
question
for
each
of
the
three
of
you
to
answer
all
right.
It's
made
to
not
be
answerable,
but
to
find
out
what
your
estimate
is.
Okay,
we're
clear,
good
all
right.
So
if
you
were
making
a
recommendation
to
the
committee
right
now
of
how
many
slots
additional
slots
ought
to
be
funded
and
and
made
available,
what
would
that
be.
H
H
To
to
not
have
for
out
for
each
individual
to
be
receiving
services
that
that
wanted
services
and
it
would
qualify
at
this
point
in
time-
I
think
that
really
2500
to
3
000,
because
that
would
also
allow
us
to
transition
some
other
individuals
out
of
a
nursing
facility.
H
I
think
seo
you're
always
going
to
have
a
wait
list,
because
there's
always
those
individuals
that
don't
qualify
right
now,
but
they
will
in
the
future,
but
it's
because
they
have
natural
supports
and
they
recognize
they
don't
need
the
services
and
they're
not
requesting
the
services
right
now.
They
just
want
to
be
there
so
that
you
know
in
the
future
that
they
have
access
to
them.
A
Understood
now,
within
the
context
of
this,
was
a
wild
guess
or
or
just
a
guess
and
that's
understood,
those
are
large
numbers
and
I
don't
know
that
the
budget
would
permit
funding
all
of
that,
nor
when
you
consider
all
of
the
items
that
demand
attention,
that's
going
to
be
possible,
but
I
think
there's
another
problem,
which
is
what
I
kind
of
want
to
get
back
to.
If
we
were
to,
if
there
were
a
thousand
or
two
thousand
pick
a
number
100
200
slots
made
available.
A
What
kind
of
workforce
do
we
have
in
order
to
even
as
a
practical
matter
address
and
facilitate
the
use
of
those
slots?
Would
the
industry
be
able
to
come
up
with
a
hundred
slots
within
30
days
that
they
could
administer
effectively
or
would
it
take
time
or
what
are
we
looking
at
because
you've
mentioned
work,
shortage
and
pace?
So
so,
if
you'll
respond
to
that,
please.
H
Yes,
so
there
is
absolutely
a
a
workforce
shortage
now
with
participant
directed
services,
we're
seeing
more
and
more
access
of
that
where
we've
had
individuals,
especially
during
the
pandemic,
where
it
has
worked
well
for
them,
it's
not
as
difficult
to
find
the
employees
on
the
participant,
directed
waiver
services
side,
but
we
do
recognize
that
right
now,
if
there
was
a
large
infusion
of
individuals,
you
know
total.
We
have
505
enrolled
waiver
providers
to
serve
over
20
000
people.
H
So
you
know
I
we
can't
deny
that
that
there
is
that
there
is
an
issue,
which
is
why
you
know
I
believe
we
are
moving
very
thoughtfully
and
and
considerate
considerable
planning
is
going
into.
You
know
what
we
do
or
what
our
recommendations
are
going
to
be
for
the
waiver
and
for
that
enhanced
funding
and
what
we
do
going
forward
and.
I
Yes,
so
just
knowing,
historically,
what
we've
done
in
budgets,
understanding
that
there
are
constraints,
I
would
say
that
you
could
fund
250,
scl
500,
michelle
p,
but
with
the
caveat
that
in
a
two-year
budget,
you
can't
fund
them
the
first.
You
can't
release
those
slots
till
the
first
year.
What
you
need,
what
you
have
to
do,
in
my
opinion,
is
invest
in
the
workforce
through
rate
increases
with
you
know,
a
reporting
mechanism
attached
to
it
build
up
the
workforce
in
year.
One
release
the
slots
in
year.
Two
and
obviously
you
know
there
are.
A
I
So
there
are
two
approaches
with
the
one-time
funds
in
the
federal
match
there
are.
There
is
a
provision
in
there
where
cms
has
laid
out
that
you
can
increase
rates.
Obviously
we
don't
want
to
put
ourselves
in
a
situation
where
we
increase
rates
and
then
can't
fund
it
permanently,
because
this
is
a
permanent
workforce
issue
that
the
only
solution
to
paying
people
more
is
to
increase
the
rates.
I
So
you
can
do
it
two
ways,
one
you
can
use
the
temporary
funds
to
issue
call
them
rescue
payments.
You
know
kind
of
based
on
historic
utilization
and
let
providers
use
that
to
either
to
for
workforce
if
there's
no
messaging
about
a
rate
increase
in
the
future
to
help
providers
are
probably
going
to
do
things
like
sign-on
bonuses.
I
You
finished
the
work
week,
bonuses,
you
know
things
like
that
that
aren't
permanent
wage
increases
because
again
we
can't
increase
employee
wages
on
a
temporary
basis.
I
Another
option
is
to
you:
can
increase
rates
with
the
temporary
arpa
funding,
but
that
would
require
then
a
follow-up
commitment
from
the
general
assembly
saying
we're
going
to
use
the
federal
funds
to
increase
these
rates
temporarily.
But
we
promise
you
and
we're
going
to
set
aside
this
money
to
fund
the
rate
increase,
moving
forward.
I
C
Just
just
quickly
and
they're,
I
think
this
is
one
of
these
issues
from
a
provider
perspective
that
it
it
has
to
be
approached
at
both
ends.
The
rate
increase
obviously
helps
but
prior
to
pandemic
and
the
response
to
the
pandemic,
which
has
created
the
workforce
issue,
one
of
the
biggest
struggles
for
day
programs
was
there.
There
were
not
new
people
coming
in
simply
because
people
could
not
get
waiver
slots.
C
Therefore,
it
was
hard
to
difficult
to
maintain
the
numbers
of
participants
in
the
programs,
and
you
know
now
we're
to
the
point
that
that's
probably
a
good
thing,
because
in
our
situation
we're
having
to
rebuild
our
programs,
we
let
people
go
through
attrition,
and
now
we
can't
get
people
in,
as,
as
our
participants
start
to
come
back
and
we
run
a
pretty
large
facility.
But
that's
that
was
a
struggle
pre-pandemic
and
where
we
are
now.
C
So
if
we
approach
it
on
both
ends
where
if
we
could
get
the
the
reimbursement
rates
up
a
little
higher
where
we
could
pay
better
and
then
get
more
slots
filled,
so
we
have
kids
coming
out
of
high
school
that
need
these
services.
Just
can't
get
them
now.
I
can't
tell
you
the
families
that
I'm
aware
of
that.
They
just
don't
have
anything
and-
and
they
know
if
they,
if
they,
if
they
apply
for
michelle
p
they're
going
to
be
on
the
list
for
years,
so
it
doesn't
benefit
them
at
all.
K
Thank
you,
ms
chairman.
Just
briefly,
I
I
can't
argue
with
you
that
you
need
additional
funding.
You
need
higher
rates
of
pay,
but
we
passed
senate
bill
61.
This
last
session
dealt
with
alzheimer's
patients
and
training
for
caregivers.
In
the
same
situation
that
environment
the
turnover
was
just
atrocious,
like
92
percent,
and
one
of
the
things
we
identified
was
the
lack
of
adequate
training.
Now
I
know
everybody
gets
training,
but
sometimes
you
can't
say
all
training
programs
are
alike,
so
it
should
that
be
an
area
of
focus.
K
And
secondly,
one
of
the
things
we
put
in
the
bill
was
hopefully
to
build
a
career
path
for
people,
so
they
could
enter
the
healthcare
arena
and
hopefully
become
an
lpn,
an
rn
and
so
forth.
So
is
that
another
strategy
that
you
could
adopt
hand
in
hand
with
this
to
bring
people
into
the
profession
and
keep
them,
because
I'm
assuming
you're
always
going
to
have
turnover
above
the
national
average.
That's
just
the
nature
of
this
beast,
but
if
we
could
moderate
it
to
some
degree,
that
would
be
helpful.
I
Yes,
so
at
least
for
direct
support
professionals,
the
training's
all
handled
by
the
college
of
direct
supports,
which
is
kind
of,
I
think,
medicaid
contracts
with
them
to
provide
that
training.
So
it's
not
necessarily
provider
based.
So
there
may
be
ways
to
strengthen
that
and
two
I
would
love
to
talk
to
anyone
who
would
listen
about
maybe
community
college
credits
for
working
while
doing
this
et
cetera.
I
think
that
could
be
a
great
way
to
attract
people
to
the
field.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
and
unfortunately,
the
real
world
requirements
of
time
are
going
to
make
us
go
on
to
the
the
next
topic.
Commissioner,
lee
director
smith
amy
stade.
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
presenting
this
morning
as
well
as
this
afternoon,
and
I
have
a
feeling
that
we're
going
to
continue
with
this
one
and
one
last
comment
on
the
subject
matter,
I'm
very
much
interested
in
following
what
the
plan
for
the
arpa
funds
going
to
cms.
A
That
plan
is
going
to
be
with
the
next
30
to
60
days
how
that's
being
developed.
I
have
a
personal
inclination
to
look
for
further
development
of
existing
services
rather
than
expanding
services
past
what
already
exists
in
the
form
of
current
programs.
So
if
you'll
keep
us
updated,
would
be
great.
A
Thank
you
all
again
and
the
next
topic
up,
we
have,
I
think,
is
budget
director,
hicks
and
deputy
executive
director
of
kia
sandy
williams,
who
both
also
presented
this
morning
in
a
subcommittee
meeting
with
chairman
blanton,
and
so
we
will
assume
that
some
of
that
has
been
covered.
Everyone
in
the
members
as
well
as
anyone
watching
today.
L
L
250
million
of
the
300
is
for
under
unserved
and
underserved
areas.
50
million
is
for
economic
development,
commercial
industry,
customers
of
the
250
million
you
all
permitted,
50
million
of
it
to
be
awarded
between
now
and
next
april,
2022.
L
So
right
now,
what
we're
doing
is
developing
a
brand
new
program
for
that
50
million.
In
the
2020
session,
you
passed
legislation
that
created
the
broadband
deployment
fund
to
be
administered
through
the
kentucky
infrastructure
authority,
the
governor
with
the
water
and
sewer
water
and
wastewater
program
as
well.
The
broadband
program
had
asked
several
members
of
his
administration
to
help
the
kentucky
infrastructure
authority
to
to
stand
up
these
programs,
and
so
that's
why
that's?
L
Why
I'm
participating
in
some
fashion,
because
I'm
assisting
my
longtime
colleague
sandy
williams
and
their
excellent
staff
in
this
brand
new
program
and
reflecting
both
the
importance
of
the
of
the
information
of
the
appropriations
you've
made
and
their
purposes?
L
And
you
know
the
need
for
heads
and
hands
to
get
this
thing
going
so
so
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
where
we
are
in
the
development
of
the
program
when
you
pass
the
statute
in
2020,
the
purpose
of
the
fund
was
to
assist
governmental
agencies
in
the
private
sector,
entities
to
construct
infrastructure
for
the
deployment
of
broadband
service
to
underserved
and
unserved
areas
of
the
commonwealth.
So
the
idea
here
is
infrastructure
right.
It's
developed
the
capacity
to
bring
internet
to
people
who
don't
have
it
or
whose
internet
is
too
slow.
L
Next,
thank
you,
and
so
now,
in
the
statutes
we've
got
a
we've
got
a
nice
set
of
processes
that
you
all
developed
in
the
20
session
and
slightly
modified
in
the
most
recent
2021
session.
So
I
won't
go
through
all
of
that
in
detail,
but
you
define
terms
you
determine
the
process
of
application.
The
information
the
application
would
require
about
the
potential
providers
and
applicants
you
required
50
match
at
a
minimum
from
the
providers
to
for
an
eligible
project.
L
You
assure
that
we're
not
going
to
be
redundant
of
areas
that
have
already
received
federal
dollars
to
expand
internet
of
broadband.
You
assured
that
we
were
not
going
to
provide
projects
to
service
areas
that
already
received
a
sufficient
level
of
broadband
deployment.
L
And
lastly,
in
this
past
session,
you
modified
it
and
allowed
other
federal
funds
to
be
used
to
match
the
state
appropriated
federal
dollars,
and
one
reason
for
that
is
there
is
a
in
the
american
rescue
plan
act.
There's
a
local
fiscal
recovery
fund,
for
which
there
are
funds
getting
ready
to
be
distributed
to
counties,
metropolitan
cities
and
other
cities
in
in
kentucky.
So
that
was
an
opportunity
that
you
all
recognized
and
incorporated
into
that
now.
L
This
is
a
federal
program
next,
and
so
the
guidance
came
out
for
the
american
for
the
state
fiscal
recovery
fund,
the
local
fiscal
recovery
fund
on
may
10.,
the
u.s
department
of
treasury
is
a
responsible
administering
agency.
They
were
the
same
agency
that
administered
the
coronavirus
relief
fund
from
the
cares
act,
as
you
all
may
remember.
L
We
had
guidance
and
then
we
had
guidance
and
then
we
had
more
guidance
and
it
changed.
I
don't
expect
much
of
that
to
happen
this
time,
so
we
got
an
initial
guidance.
There's
a
60-day
comment
period
at
the
federal
level.
It's
like
an
administrative
regulation
to
them
and
then
they
will
issue
final.
A
final
rule.
We
really
don't
expect
a
lot
of
those
that
rules
to
change
as
it
relates
to
the
water
wastewater
or
the
broadband
fund,
but
that's
just
a
prediction
of
mine.
L
It
focuses
in
the
same
way
your
statute
does
on
unserved
and
underserved
areas.
One
of
the
things
it
does
a
little
bit
differently
is
it
says
if
we're
gonna,
the
federal
funds
going
into
these
projects
must
provide
serve
internet
service
to
households
and
businesses
at
a
speed
of
at
least
100
megabits
per
second
download
and
100
megabits
per
second
upload.
Well,
that's
pretty
different
from
it's
slightly
different
from
the
definitions
we
have
in
our
state
statute.
L
The
upload
speed
is
higher,
and
so
they
want
the
symmetry
there.
They
allow
some
exceptions
for
excessive
cost
and
geography
and
top
and
typography,
but
they
still
have
to
be
scalable
on
the
on
the
up
upload
to
100
meg,
so
so
a
few
differences
from
our
existing
statute,
but
in
the
main,
fairly
close
next,
so
we're
developing
a
process
right.
The
statute
is
fairly
specific
on
on
what
needs
to
be
done
and
how
we're
to
do
it.
But
there
are
a
lot
of
details.
This
is
brand
new.
L
It's
a
green
field
project
we've
never
done
this
before,
and
so
the
infrastructure
authority
very
adept
at
water
and
wastewater
revolving
loan
fund
programs.
We're
you
know
we're
working
together
closely
to
develop
a
process
for
kentucky
to
follow,
and
what
we've
done
is.
We've
studied
other
states
who
have
done
this
at
least
quarter
of
the
country.
We've
looked
at
the
federal
government
and
how
they've
done
it
we're
looking
at
all
their
documents.
Their
applications
they're
frequently
asked
questions
their
evaluation
criteria,
everything
we
can
look
at
to
to
learn
from
them.
L
We've
had
interviews
with
several
states
of
some
of
our
members
of
our
of
our
core
team
to
get
some
lessons
learned
some
wisdom
from
that.
One
thing:
that's
not
on
this
slide,
and
I
want
to
announce
that
prior
to
releasing
a
request
for
proposal,
we're
going
to
release
a
request
for
information
initially
and
that's
going
to
be
done
very
soon.
Its
purpose
is
to
ask
the
providers
and
the
municipalities
and
other
government
agencies
for
their
ideas,
their
comments,
their
suggestions.
L
We
don't
know
what
we
don't
know,
and
so
we
want
to
avail
ourselves
of
their
expertise
before
we
finalize
our
process
and
so
we're
gonna
do
that
very
soon
and
then
not
too
long
after
that
we're
going
to
release
our
first
effort
is
that
we're
going
to
have
a
two-stage
process:
we're
going
to
release
the
origin,
the
rfp
for
a
notice
of
intent
to
apply
in
an
initial
map
of
unserved
areas,
and
I
say
initial,
because
that
map
will
be
modified
by
information
we
receive
from
the
potential
providers
and
existing
providers,
and
we
will
finalize
that
map
right
now.
L
We've
got
data
from
the
federal
fcc,
the
federal
communications
commission.
On
broadband
service
by
speed
by
census,
block
and
that
that
is,
and
in
that
information
it
can
be
interpreted
that
a
single
household
who
receives
a
certain
speed
makes
that
census
block
served.
Well,
we
know-
that's
not
true,
and
so
we're
not
going
to
align
to
that.
But
we
have
their
information.
We're
also
using
the
fcc
last
year
had
an
auction
for
unserved
areas
across
the
the
country,
and
it
was
called
the
rural
development
opportunity
fund.
L
And
thirdly,
you
may
be
aware
we
have
done
at
the
commonwealth's
level,
a
kind
of
an
internet
survey,
an
online
ma,
an
online
information
where
people
can
sign
up
and
provide
information
about
the
service
they're
providing
and
the
speeds
that
they're
receiving
their
internet
at
home
at
business
and
we're
going
to
use
that
data
to
help
provide
more
granular
information
to
our
initial
map.
L
So
those
are
the
sources
of
information
we're
using
to
develop
an
initial
map
of
who
has
service
and
at
what
speed
and
therefore
who
doesn't
have
service
or
has
lower
speed,
because
we
want
to
focus
on
the
unserved
at
with
this
first
50
million
dollars.
So
that's
kind
of
how
we're
going
to
start
we're
going
to
have
that
information.
Come
back.
We're
gonna,
provide
her
and
say
no.
I've
got
that
area
served.
Let
me
show
you
the
information
we've
got.
L
Another
provider
says
that
area
is
unserved,
you
show
it
as
served
and
so
we're
gonna
we're
gonna.
Take
that
information
get
confirmation
of
it
and
we're
gonna
modify
our
map.
Then
we're
going
to
put
out
stage
2.,
then
we're
going
to
put
out
the
long
application
and
rfp
with
the
final
map
here.
Are
the
eligible
areas
of
unserved
come
at
us
with
project
applications?
L
You
know
to
provide
service
meeting
the
federal
requirements
and
we'll
have
an
application
process,
we'll
have
an
application
challenge
process
which
our
statute
requires
and
then
we'll
go
through
the
determinations,
we'll
evaluate
and
we'll
score
and
we'll
offer
awards,
and
we
remember
we're
looking
at
the
first
50
million
dollars
as
being
our
our
source
of
funds
out
of
the
total
300
million.
So
that's
how
we're
scheduling?
L
That's
how
we're
sequencing
it
next
sandy,
the
project
selection,
the
statutes,
give
us
guidance
on
you
know
what
projects
that
are
in
unserved
areas,
where
the
funds
aren't
federal
funds
or
local
funds
or
state
funds,
aren't
there
or
they're
inadequate
projects
that
leads
that
reach
customers,
the
least
economical
to
serve.
You
know
and
we're
focusing
the
first
50
million
on
unserved.
L
So
in
this
marketplace
they
kind
of
make
they
match
that
requirement
right:
they're,
not
economical,
to
serve
at
the
end
of
the
county
road,
because
there's
only
two
houses
down
the
county
road
and
it's
just
not
good
commercial
business
to
to
reach
that.
And
so
so
I
don't
think
we'll
have
any
problem
hitting
that
point.
L
We
have
other
options
that
are
in
the
statute:
timely
completion,
most
effective
service
at
the
greatest
to
the
greatest
number
at
the
lowest
cost,
and
then
other
project
attributes
that
we're
going
to
put
into
the
application
process
that
we
have
gleaned.
One
is
common
sense.
The
other
is
what
many
other
states
are
doing
and
one
of
which
is
the
adoption
strategy
that
the
provider
will
the
applicant
will
take.
L
A
L
Sorry,
okay,
thanks
timelines,
we're
we're
still
working
on
the
details
on
the
timelines,
the
rfi.
The
request
for
information
is
going
to
be
next
we're
in
the
process
of
building
the
application,
but
we
want
the
responses
to
that
rfi
to
inform
us
to
modify.
You
know
the
work
that
we're
currently
doing.
L
L
We
recognize
this
is
new
and
we
don't
know
everything
about
it,
and
so
the
the
applicants
and
the
providers
will
provide
information
that
will
help
that,
but
at
the
same
time
we
know
in
looking
at
the
maps,
there's
plenty
of
opportunity
out
there
there's
plenty
of
unserved
areas
that
could
use
this
infrastructure.
The
government
subsidizing
the
deployment
of
capital
assets
here
so
that
this
ongoing
operation
services
can
be
provided
to
those
unserved
areas.
So
we're
very
excited
about
this.
L
L
We
want
to
keep
everybody
informed
and
up
to
date,
the
federal
government
with
this
money
says
that
the
funds
have
to
be
obligated
by
december
31
of
2024,
and
the
expenditures
must
be
completed
by
december
31
of
2026.,
so
their
rules
about
that
will
will
meet
those
rules
and
but
wanted
to
give
you
all
a
sense
of
you
know.
L
These
are
capital
projects
and
they
take
time
in
order
to
design
and
implement,
and
I
think
the
federal
government
has
recognized
that
you
know
with
their
timelines
on
with
their
deadlines
on
the
ends
of
the
use
of
this
process
of
these
funds.
L
What's
left
to
do
we're
going
to
developing
some
emergency
regulations,
I
would
say
that
primarily
do
the
following:
they
comply
with
the
new
federal
guidance
that
differs
with
kentucky's
statute.
Few
of
those,
the
la
the
the
statutes
that
you
all
wrote
in
2020
and
modified
in
21
are
well
done.
They
don't
leave
a
whole
lot
of
need
for
further
rule
making
we're
developing
the
application.
L
That's
really
the
crux
of
our
work
right
now
and
we'll
finalize
our
you
know
our
initial
map
that
we'll
put
out
after
the
rfi
and
we're
going
to
complete
our
application
development
and
use
the
rfi
as
further
inputs
to
to
the
considerations
that
we've
been
giving
in
that
development
right
now.
A
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
representative
blanton.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
mainly
a
a
just
a
a
point
of
of
of
pointing
out
that
this
is
not
part
of
kentucky
wired.
This
is
for
clarification,
finally
got
the
word.
I
was
looking
for
that
this
is
not
kentucky
wired
project.
This
is
the
last
mile
of
actually
reaching
people's
residence
to
get
broadband
to
them.
L
Correct
yeah,
thank
you,
miss
representative
blind,
that's
exactly
right!
This
is
last
mile
fiber
to
the
premise
households
and
businesses
you
know
are:
they
are
the
ultimate
beneficiaries.
You
know
of
this
this
program,
so
you're,
very
correct.
The
kentucky
wired
network
is
referred
to
as
a
middle
mile
network.
This
is,
I
will
say
that
a
number
of
states
have
made
available
these
funds
for
a
little
bit
of
middle
mile
if
it's
necessary
to
get
to
the
last
mile,
and
so
so
we're
not
throwing
that
out,
but
you're
exactly
right.
L
J
You,
mr
chairman,
director
now
my
understanding,
though,
is
there
is
a
committee
for
the
planning
of
the
deployment
of
this?
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
and
the
kentucky
wire
has
a
seat
on
that
committee?
Is
that
accurate.
L
No,
oh
I'm
sorry.
We
do
have
a
subject
matter
expert
who
is
an
employee
of
kentucky
wired
and
he
in
because
he's
the
he's
one
of
the
people
that
I
know
in
state
government
who
used
to
work
for
telecommunication
companies
in
implementing.
You
know
broadband
infrastructure,
and
so
we
have
borrowed
some
of
his
time
simply
because
of
his
subject
matter:
expertise.
J
L
Will
not
be
doing
any
last
mile
work?
No,
they
will
not
be
doing
any
of
that
now.
This
is
this
is,
but
we
want
to
avail
ourselves
of
an
individual
who
really
had
some
expertise.
L
No,
you
know
kind
of
to
be
to
be
to
be
clean
with
the
procurement
process.
You
know
any
potential
applicants,
you
know
we
have
to
kind
of
keep
at
arm's
length
and
that's
one
of
the
purposes
for
the
request
for
information
is
to
get
an
opportunity
for
them
to
submit
ideas,
suggestions
that
might
assist
us
in
the
development
of
the
project,
but
we
have
to
have
a
level
playing
field
there
very.
A
Just
to
follow
up
on
that
the
group
that
was
just
referenced,
I
understand
the
potential
conflict
of
interest
and
excluding
them
from
the
group
have
has
that
group
solicited
any
information
from
industry
providers
or
people
that
are
in
that
field
already
working
before
you
do
the
rfi?
No,
we
have
not
any
particular
reason
why.
L
A
B
Thank
you.
Can
you
hear
me
at
this
time?
Yes,
yes,
my
question
would
be
concerning
the
obviously
the
kentucky
wire
program
it
is.
Have
you
been
working
with
any
of
the
isp
local
teleco
providers
to
provide
recently
to
discuss
broadband,
rollout
and
or
any
of
these
regulations
with
my
I've
had
some
correspondence
that
they
are
not
in
the
loop
and
being
well
informed.
A
L
That
is,
that
is
correct.
We're
going
to
use
the
request
for
information
process
to
do
that
very
thing.
So
we
have
purposely
kept
arms
distance
from
potential
applicants
and
providers
and
going
to
use
that
formal
rfi
process
as
the
way
to
glean
that
information
they
they
can
provide
us
any
information.
They
want
to
and
suggestions.
B
When
do
you
expect
that
you
will
contact
them
the
next
day
or
two,
or
will
it
be
months?
I
think
they
are
anxious
to
know
what
what
is
happening,
what
the
regulations
are
or
will
be
or
have
been
established
to
be,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
will
operate
with
them.
B
L
We'll
we'll
do
a
combination
we'll
broadcast.
You
know
with
the
information
that
we
know
about
about
existing
providers
and
and
and
and
they're
that's
not
hard
to
find.
We
have.
We
know
both.
What
who
the
private
sector
providers
are.
We
know
who
are
providers
who
have
received
awards
from
the
federal
government.
We
know
rural
electric
co-ops
who
have
received
awards
from
the
federal
government,
we're
we've.
L
We
have
contacts
with
the
public
service
commission
to
assure
that
all
rural
electric
co-ops,
who
may
want
to
be
in
the
provision
of
services
which
house
bill
320,
clearly
helps
create
a
path
for
so
we'll
do
our
best
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
all
that
all
that
is-
and
in
addition,
let
me
say
all
local
governments,
because
there
are
plenty
of
participation
across
the
country.
The
city
we're
sitting
in
right
now
is
a
municipally
provided
internet
provider
and
we'll
make
sure
that
they're
also
informed
about
the
rfi.
B
Thank
you,
it's
is
this.
Is
there
a
timetable?
Will
this
happen
tomorrow
today?
Should
they
contact
you
at
this
moment
in
time
now,.
L
B
And
will
that
information?
I
think
a
lot
of
them
would
look
like
you
have
done,
maybe
so
far
they
they're
certainly
accounted
to
the
the
details
of
this
and
yes,
legislators.
I
know
we
received
this
report
from
you,
but
we
know
you're
working
hard
on
it
and
certainly
appreciate
that,
but
they
probably
have
specific
extreme
technical
questions
that
we
would
not
know
what
to
ask.
So
is
it
okay?
If
they
call
you,
can
you
up-to-date
them
right
now
if
they
reach
out
to
you.
L
B
L
That's
correct,
but
I
would
say
senator
buford
that
we
don't
anticipate
that
any
our
emergency
regulations
will
add
a
whole
lot
to
the
statutory
structure
or
the
federal
program
structure
that
is
always
already
in
place.
What
we
will,
ultimately,
what
we're
going
to
use
their
their
input
for
is
to
develop
their
rfp
in
a
comprehensive
and
thorough
way.
B
I
appreciate
that,
thank
you
so
much.
I
appreciate
your
hard
efforts
and,
but
I
do
know
when
we
see
an
emergency
regulation
coming
from
the
governor's
office
we
as
legislators
clinic.
So
that's
that's
all
about
this,
and
I
thank
you
for
your
presentation
today.
Thank
you
and
the
chairman
for
allowing
me
to
comment.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
director
hicks
director
williams.
I
appreciate
your
time
coming
today
and
sharing
about
this
critical
issue
for
the
citizens
of
kentucky
understanding
that
year,
one
of
this
project,
a
large
portion
of
it's,
going
to
be
identifying
the
unserved
and
underserved
areas,
making
some
estimates
about
what
that
cost
is
going
to
be.
Do
you
foresee
a
time
in
the
immediate
future,
where
you
could
report
back
to
us
about
just
how
far
this
300
million
dollar
investment
will
go
and
what
future
needs
there
might
be?
L
L
You
know,
and-
and
I've
looked
at
other
states
to
see
when
they've
made
awards,
how
many,
how
many
households
and
businesses
are,
are
potentially
made
available
against
the
dollar
value,
and
it
really
it
really
varies
widely
and
of
course,
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
the
rurality
or
the
the
density
of
the
locations.
L
But
I
have
that
question
in
the
back
of
my
mind
all
the
time.
What
will
it
take
to
get
us
all
connected
here,
and
I
would
just
say
just
recently
earlier
in
this
month
the
national
telecommunications
information
agency,
probably
ntia,
just
released
a
near
300
million
dollar
rfp
for
unserved
areas.
Just
this
past.
You
know
few
weeks
and
another
pot
of
money
like
the
rural
development
opportunity
fund,
which
I
think
kentucky
received
nearly
150
million
in
awards.
L
So
and
then
I'm
you
know,
as
as
the
discussions
in
dc
occur
on
the
next
infrastructure
package.
I
will
say
I
hear
broadband
consistently
mentioned
as
a
part
of
that,
no
matter
who's
who's
talking
about
it.
So
that's
a
great
question
for
the
future
and
one
we're
just
going
to
have
to
learn
on
an
iterative
basis.
But
I
look
forward
to
knowing
the
answer
one
day
myself.
J
This
is
essentially
a
public-private
partnership
because
we
got
pride
public
dollars,
private
dollars.
I
know
a
lot
of
private
businesses
that
have
great
ideas
and
great
plans,
but
they
don't
always
follow
through
what
kind
of
safeguards
are
going
to
be
put
in
place
to
to
protect
our
public
dollars
to
make
sure
these
projects
come
to
fruition?
Are
we
do?
Are
we
going
to
do
performance
bonds?
What
kind
of
what
kind
of
safeguards
are
going
to
be
in
place
to
protect
the
taxpayers
of
kentucky.
L
Yeah,
thank
you
for
your
question.
No
we're
looking
into
that.
You
know
about
you
know
using
the
construction
industry
process.
You
know
as
a
as
an
analogy
for
you
know.
How
do
you
guarantee
your
building
is
going
to
be
the
building
that
you
you
paid
for?
These
are
also
federal
dollars
and
they're
going
to
be
recoupment
requirements
in
there
and
criteria.
You
know
you
have
to.
We
have
to
result
in
that
in
in
that,
in
that
internet
service
that
meets
a
speed
level
that
is
operational
or
there's
the
potential
for
recruitment.
L
You
know,
I
won't
call
it
a
penalty,
but
the
prospect
of
clawing
back
funds,
so
one
of
the
things
that
we're
we'll
be
reaching
out
to
the
finance
administration
cabinet
to
to
understand
how
they
do
that
when
they're
constructing
you
know
building
projects
in
a
matter
of
speaking,
that's
not
the
kind
of
thing
the
infrastructure
authority
does
routinely
with
the
water
and
sewer,
but
there's
some
similar
requirements,
because
those
are
federal
dollars
with
state
match.
So
appreciate
your
question.
L
We
want
performance
and
there
has
to
be
accountability
associated
with
that
and
that's
got
to
be
part
of
our
upfront
application
development
process.
Representative.
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
director
hicks,
thank
you
for
coming
and
giving
us
explanation
of
what's
going
on
with
this
with
this
project
and
obviously
it's
it's
a
very
significant
in
terms
of
our
interests
and
making
sure
this
is
procured
correctly
and
so
forth,
which
be
frank
with
you.
I'm
rather
concerned
on
the
procurement
process,
the
administration's
going
to
be
undertaking
with
this,
because
the
past
I
say
two
to
three
different
contracts.
I've
seen
it's
been
a
debacle
to
be
put
to
you
lightly.
D
There
are
three
different
types
of
procurement
processes.
You
have
requests
for,
information
which
you
spoke,
of
which
the
private
sector
has
been
involved
in
many
occasions
on
the
federal
level
when
it
comes
to
architectural
engineering
services.
So
when
you
not
include
them
in
the
in
the
in
the
information
process,
I
have
to
differ
with
you.
They
should
be
second
of
all
and
requests
for
proposals.
D
That's
a
that's
a
possibility,
that's
a
good
good
avenue,
but
also
quests
requests
for
qualifications
and
under
the
brooks
act
on
the
federal
on
the
on
the
on
the
federal
level.
They,
the
engineering
and
architectural
firms,
used
a
very
good
strong
process
of
going
through
and
looking
at
the
qualifications
and
not
based
on
price
and
making
sure
they
call
the
the
services
delivered
and
the
coverage
is
maintained.
D
I
would
strongly
encourage
you
to
conti
to
look
at
the
private
sector
to
bring
them
in
the
beginning
to
have
them
participate
in
that,
and
not
just
through
an
rfi,
because
rfis
can
be,
they
could
be
sort
of
misconstrued
and
and
taken
a
different
avenue
in
terms
of
sucking
the
marrow
out
of
the
bone
when
it
comes
to
the
private
sector
in
order
to
enhance
government
competition
with
the
private
sector.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
kentucky
wire
will
not
or
its
subsidiaries
will
not
be
associated
or
participate
in
this
process.
L
Well,
I
can
assure
you
of
that
you
in
turn,
in
terms
of
one.
Your
statute
precludes
the
kentucky
wire
from
receiving
any
of
these
funds
and.
L
D
Okay,
well,
people
change
their
name
or
companies
change
their
names
and
things
shift
and
there's
got
to
be
mix.
There's
got
to
be
some
at
least
some
fail-safe.
Some
safeguards
to
make
sure
that
that
is
not
sort
of
doesn't
play
out
in
terms
of
kentucky
wire.
Getting
into
this
involvement
through
subsidiary
or
through
other
some
other
ancillary
group,
that's
associated
with
them.
L
Well,
I
appreciate
your
input
you
know
on
on
the
procurement
process
and
have
been
through
an
rfq
process
myself
in
the
in
the
past,
on
that
we
certainly
intend
for
the
rfi
process
to
give
us
information
that
an
rfq
that
that
would
be
the
kind
of
information
you'd
want
on
a
qualified
applicant
there's
certainly
going
to
be
elements
in
there,
and
your
statute
requires
that
in
the
application
process
of
a
lot
of
information
about
the
info
about
the
applicant
itself,
their
financial
capability,
their
experience,
so
those
things
will
be
followed
and
I
can
assure
you
we
will
comply
with
the
statute.
D
You
need
to
look
at
if
you
and
you
basically
go
through
that
process
and
you
come
on
the
back
end
and
talk
with
the
the
those
of
those
vendors,
those
providers,
and
then
you
basically
beat
them
up
when
it
comes
to
price
and
get
them
down
to
a
point,
that's
more
digestible.
I
would
really
start
to
encourage
you
to
look
at
quality-based
selection
in
order
to
to
procure
this
in
a
very
prudent
manner.
D
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
john,
I
think
the
rfi
press.
I
appreciate
the
starting
with
the
rfi
process,
because
it's
what
you
start
with
and
you
can
garner
information
and,
in
my
conversation
with
entities,
providers
and
just
groups
interested
in
getting
broadband
they're
aware
that
this
process
is
coming.
G
G
I
appreciate
that
sitting
here
today
and
hearing
that
so
I've
got
a
comfort
level
at
this
stage,
and
this
is
something
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
monitor
we're
going
to
be
advised
of
what's
going
on,
and
I
think
that
you
will
get
the
information
that
you
need
from
the
providers,
public,
public
and
private
sectors
and
municipalities.
G
You
know
my
conversations
with
these
people.
They
already
know
it's
coming,
so
you
know.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
just
what
I
guess
my
concern
would
be,
that
I
want
how
much
information
are
we
going
to
get
to
forecast
to
avoid
duplicity
and
make
efficient
use
of
the
monies
that
are
coming
and
the
services
that
are
being
provided?
G
I'm
like
chairman
blanton,
you
know
I
live
in
a
place
where
it's
a
mixed
bag,
it's
sometimes
all
or
none,
and
with
not
a
prospect
of
that
none
being
accommodated
in
in
even
perhaps
with
this
infusion.
So
that
would
be
my
concern
not
not
with
the
process
or
not
the
way
you
all
are
handling
it.
I
I
think
that
is
the
way
to
go,
and
it's
a
good
start,
and
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank.
A
J
Senator
west,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
different
subject,
but
somewhat
related
and,
and
I
apologize
in
advance
if
you've
already
given
this
information
out
in
a
different
committee
already
this
morning,
but
as
we
left
session
this
time,
you
know
much
talk
about
a
another
round
of
arpa
funding,
2.8
billion
or
whatever
the
number
may
be.
But
what
are
your?
What's?
The
latest
information
that
you're
hearing
is
that
sec
other
round?
Is
it
coming
soon?
Have
you
heard
any
information
you
can
give
us
on
that.
L
Coming
from
the
feds
yeah
thanks
senator
west
yeah,
the
the
award
to
kentucky
for
the
state
fiscal
recovery
fund
is
two
mil
2
billion
183
million.
They
have
released
50
of
that
to
to
kentucky
most
states
got
50
percent.
A
handful
of
states
got
100
based
on
their
unemployment
rate,
so
so
we've
got
half
of
that
in
hand.
That
is,
that
is
strikingly
similar
to
the
amount
of
appropriations.
The
general
assembly
has
already
made
from
the
amer
from
the
state
fiscal
recovery
fund.
L
J
I
was,
I
was
a
little
confused
from
our
earlier
meeting
in
government
contracts
this
morning,
government
oversight.
So
that's
basically
it
is
what
that's
that's
the
arp
of
funds
that
we've
expected
and
that's
that's
it
correct.
So
there's
nothing
you've
heard
about
an
additional
round
after
that,
no
we
have
not
okay,
okay!
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Getting
back
to
broadband,
and
this
kind
of
is
a
follow-up
to
representative
fleming,
open
fibers
in
some
way.
Well,
it
was
open
fiber.
They
just
changed
their
name
to
it.
Silicon
I
think
at
telecom
in
some
way
connected
to
kentucky
wired.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
they
would
not
be
able
to
bid
on
the
project
as
well.
Can
you
give
me
that
insurance.
L
C
Yeah
but
kentucky
wired
made
it
very
hard
or
has
tried
very
hard
to
make
it
appear
that
they
don't
have
any
connection
with
open
fiber,
and
you
know
I
think
they
still
do
have
a
connection.
So
I'd
really
appreciate
your
input
on
that.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
then
I'm
going
to
close
up
with
just
a
few
things.
If
it's
unless
you've
got
something
else,
major
left
all
right.
Thank
you,
one,
understanding
that
this
type
of
project
has
not
been
undertaken
in
kentucky.
Previously
there
is
a
learning
curve,
and
I
appreciate
that,
and
I
know
you're
putting
in
hard
work.
A
Okay,
can
you
provide
me
within
the
next
10
to
14
days,
a
timeline
like
a
project
completion
date
for
each
of
the
sub
projects
that
get
us
to
actual
deployment,
basically
an
outline
and
as
much
detail
as
you
can
give
and
as
much
expected
completion
date
for
each
of
those
units
as
best
you
can
estimate
at
this
time?
A
Not
so
that
later
on,
I
can
go
gotcha,
but
so
that
we
have
some
idea
to
answer
questions
with,
and
we
know
when
to
ask
you
to
come
back
or
ask
for
reports
and
say:
where
are
we?
Where
are
you?
Are
we
making
progress?
Has
something
changed?
Is
there
something
that
we
can
do
so
that
we
can
collaboratively
move
this
effort
along.
L
A
L
Doable
what
I'll
commit
to
you,
mr
chairman,
is
one
of
the
things
the
benefit
of
not
being
the
first
to
do,
something
you
know
is
to
go
and
look
at
all
those
who
have
done
it
before
us.
You
know,
they're
in
some
states
have
been
doing
this.
For
years
we
paid
really
close
attention
to
their
timelines.
L
How
long
did
they
leave
the
application
open?
How
long
does
it
take
to
the
challenge
process?
So
maybe
not
within
the
next
10
to
14
days,
but
we're
not
too
far
away
from
that
timeline
to
be
able
to
give
you,
because
in
essence,
that
is
going
to
be
a
key
element
of
our
of
our
application
process
is,
is:
are
those
timelines
but
but
very
near
that
timeline?
I
hope
that
I
could
be
able
to
give
you
a
good
sketch
that
really
lines
out.
L
You
know-
and
I
will
say
this-
we're
learning
from
our
par
from
our
peers
when,
when
I
say
that
the
rfi
responses
may
inform
that
further
about
that,
because
there
have
been
some
other
comments
about
the
existing
labor
market
and
supply
issues
that
may
make
this
current
time
we're
sitting
in
a
little
differently
than
our
comparisons
we
have
with
others.
Whatever
you
give
me.
A
Is
going
to
be
a
reflexive
product,
it's
going
to
change
over
time
and
and
you
and
I
understand
that
as
quickly
as
you
can,
and
I
can't
over
overstate
the
importance
to
me
of
receiving
that,
so
we
can
follow
along
and
work
with
you
on
it.
Does
that
make
sense?
Yes,
it
does
all
right.
Secondly,
a
little
bit
of
a
psa.
A
L
A
I
can
try
to
pull
it
up
but
announce
it
before
we
leave
and
the
reason
being
is
that
the
better
the
mapping
we
have
the
better
this
project
is
gonna,
be
because,
as
you
mentioned,
it's
the
last
mile
right,
the
way
house
bill
320
was
set
up
is
that
it
actually
tries
to
get
to
the
last
of
the
last
miles
that
which
no
other
market
forces
are
going
to
make
it
happen,
but
we're
going
to
help
those
that
are
not
going
to
be
helped
in
the
next
10
20
years
and
then
work
our
way
back
where
market
forces
will
come
into
play.
A
I'd
also
like
to
note
this.
You
mentioned
at
the
very
front
end
of
your
presentation,
developing
pro
developing
a
program
for
50
million
dollars.
I'd
take
issue
with
that
develop
a
program
for
300
million
dollars,
which
is
what
was
appropriated
and
you
can
say
well
the
payment
schedule.
Okay.
Well
I'll,
add
this
challenge
give
me
a
timeline.
A
L
Well,
mr
chairman,
I
would
I
would
agree
that
we're
not
we're
not
we're
forming
this
project
to
be
the
at
least
the
250
million
of
underserved
and
unserved,
and
just
wanted
to
make
a
kind
of
an
emphasis
of
the
unserved.
You
know
kind
of
being
the
first
50.
but
you're
right.
Let
the
the
the
application
process
we're
going
to
develop
is
going
to
is
going
to
morph
into
the
process.
We
will
have
on
an
ongoing
basis,
yeah.
So.
A
When
you're
ready
for
more
money
and
the
process
has
been
developed,
say
so
in
advance,
so
we
can
draft
the
bill.
Do
a
special
call
to
get
it
done
and
move
on
no
comment
requested.
Just
let's
let
you
know
that
I
understand
all
right
and
I
think
that's
all
I
have.
I
really
appreciate
you.
I
see
no
other
questions
from
members.
I
really
appreciate
the
both
of
you
coming
up
and
presenting
this
morning
as
well
as
this
afternoon,
and
I
encourage
you
to
stay
in
contact
with
us.
A
A
Next
up
we
have
sunrise
next
issue
up
with
sunrise
children's
services,
scope
and
history
of
services.
I
think
that
we
have
dale
suttles,
president
of
sunrise,
andy
weeks
board,
chair
of
sunrise
and
john
sheller
attorney
for
sunrise
participating
remotely.
Is
everyone
each
of
the
three
of
you
there.
A
J
K
A
We
have
about
25
minutes
or
less,
and
I'm
assuming
that
there
will
be
some
questions,
but
I've
asked
you
to
present
on
sunrise
children's
services,
the
scope
and
history
of
services.
It's
been
in
the
news,
there's
no,
it's
been
in
the
news,
so
we've
got
an
issue
coming
up
by
the
end
of
june
whether
this
particular
entity
continues
to
offer
services.
A
My
interest
in
the
issue
first,
for
today
is
this:
as
a
matter
of
appropriations
and
revenue,
we
have
a
service
provider,
two
children
and
adults
in
kentucky
by
contract,
with
kentucky
to
render
services
for
foster
care
and
adoption
placement,
as
I
understand
a
fairly
large
organization,
private
organization
in
that
endeavor-
and
there
is
some
possibility
that
that
contract
would
not
be
renewed
at
the
end
of
june.
A
That
would
leave
a
hole
in
our
server
our
ability
to
render
services
in
those
contexts
as
well
as
it
concerns
me
of.
If
there
is
a
hole
for
services,
then
there
may
be
additional
appropriations.
We
have
to
come
up
with
in
order
to
accommodate
those
services
and
that
lack
provided
by
this
particular
entity.
M
I
think
it's
important
for
you
to
know
that
sunrise
children's
services
or
what
was
called
the
old
baptist
homes
for
children,
has
been
around
since
1869
has
a
long
history
of
child
welfare
within
the
commonwealth
that
this
this
ministry
started
at
walnut
street
baptist
church
in
louisville
has
to
care
for
orphans
after
the
civil
war,
it
it
it's
simply
evolved
over
time
and
in
1914
it
was
official
and
developed
a
a
covenant
relationship
with
the
kentucky
baptist
convention,
who
then
started
appointing
the
institution's
board
of
trustees
and
to
fast
forward
in
1970s.
M
The
commonwealth
of
kentucky
came
to
what
was
still
called
baptist
homes
for
children
and
said
we
would
like
to
partner
with
you.
We
we
we
have
folks,
we
have
children,
we
have
families
that
that
we
need
help
where
you
partner
and
enter
into
a
contract,
and
it
was
discussed-
I
wasn't
around
then,
but
it
was
discussed
and
we
have
been
partners
for
over
40
years
and
moving
forward.
M
We've
not
we
have
not
missed
a
day
of
caring
for
kids
since
1869,
so
consider
that
a
committee
over
152
years
of
serving
some
of
kentucky's
most
vulnerable
children
and
thought
it
would
be
neat
for
you
to
see
some
of
the
first
buildings.
We
had
the
louisville
baptist
orphans
home
here
and
again
that
things
have
changed
over
the
years,
but
but
we
we
were
truly
dealing
with
the
orphans,
then
back
in
the
day.
This
is
some
of
the
property
at
the
old
glendale
property.
M
I
know
some
of
you
guys
know
glendale
outside
of
elizabethtown.
This
was
a
property
that
that
housed
many
many
many
children
over
many
years.
As
a
matter
of
fact
there
there
is
a
train
track
that
runs
parallel
to
the
property
in
the
city
of
glendale
there
and
they
used
to
call
that
the
orphan
train,
when
kids
would
be
dropped
off
and
at
the
the
large
farm
there
and
would
live
there
and
go
to
school
there
and
so
on.
M
Obviously,
we
work
like
any
provider
with
a
cabinet
children
that
are
wards
of
the
state,
abused
and
neglected
children.
M
Folks,
we
sunrise
works
with
some
of
the
toughest
situations
that
you
can
imagine
atrocities
that
you
and
I
could
never
imagine.
We
see
that
here
at
sunrise
children's
services,
many
of
the
kids
are
removed
by
their
homes
through
the
child
protective
services
and
placed
in
the
department
of
community-based
services,
and
that's
who
we
partner
with.
M
What
sunrise
offers
today
is
therapeutic
foster
care.
Obviously
it
is
foster
care
with
that
therapeutic
twist,
again
children
that
have
experienced
many
traumas.
We
we
need
therapy,
we
need
case
management
and
we
need
the
foster
homes.
We
do
residential
treatment.
We
currently
have
four.
M
We
have
a
psychiatric
residential
treatment
facility
in
danville
that
treats
children
who
have
failed
one
hospital
mental
hospital
visit
and
they
so
they
come
to
sunrise
to
get
some
of
the
therapies
that
that
they
need
you
walk
through
that
facility.
You,
you
see
children.
If
you
would,
if
you
would
hear
their
stories
you,
you
wouldn't
believe
how
you
see
them
today.
It's
just
the
staff
does
remarkable
work.
Family
services
is
our
programming
that
surrounds
families
that
are
vulnerable.
That
could
fall
apart
at
any
minute,
and
so
we
give
them
case.
M
Management
and
therapies
for
those
problems
foster
to
adopt
think
about
this
sunrise
has
is
pretty
close
to
a
milestone
over
600
adoptions,
and
if
those
600
kids
were
still
in
the
the
foster
care
program,
it
would
be
an
immense
and
immense
expense
to
the
state,
and
so
we've
always
been
about
an
adoption.
That's
where
our
heart
has
been.
If
you
look
at
this
map,
you
can
see
a
a
history
or
you
can
see
the
the
placements
of
our
programs.
M
You
see
foster
care,
you
see
independent
living.
I
did
not
talk
about
independent
living.
This
is
a
program
we
have
for
children
that
are
aging
out
of
the
system,
and
then
what
we
do
is
combine
that
with
something
called
venturon,
which
is
a
program
that
has
won
national
awards
and
basically,
what
we
do.
There
is
provide
apartments.
M
We
provide
case
management,
we
tie
these
young
people
to
colleges
to
trade
schools
and,
and
we
help
them
on
what
we
call
their
path
of
life,
and
this
is
something
we
started
back
in
2012
2013
when
this
was
becoming
a
hot
topic,
and
so
we're
very
proud
of
that,
and
you
can
also
see
where
we
have
residential
girls
in
one
of
our
elizabethtown
program
and
then
residential
boys
in
our
other
programs.
M
As
you
can
see
today,
the
clients
that
we
are
serving
and
you
can
go
ahead
and
look
over
the
totals
there-
let
me
move
on
the
last
two
years.
We
have
averaged
about
50
adoptions,
total
adoptions
nearing
600,
again
we're
very
proud
of
that.
We're
also
proud
of
the
accreditation.
We
have.
We've
been
gold
seal
accredited
by
the
joint
commission
since
2007,
with
our
last
survey,
been
in
2020,
which
resulted
in
that
gold
seal
accreditation
till
the
year
2023.
J
Thank
you,
dale
board
of
directors
is
made
up
of
24
members.
The
the
members
of
the
board
are
nominated
by
the
president
of
sunrise,
but
those
are
submitted
to
the
kentucky
baptist
convention.
Who
then
makes
the
final
selection
of
the
board
of
director
and
the
executive
director
of
the
kbc
is
an
ex-officio
member,
so
serves
as
a
member
of
the
board.
J
Each
board
member
serves
a
four-year
term
and
then
is
eligible
for
a
second
four-year
term
on
the
board
of
directors
and
the
board
of
directors
provides
oversight
to
multiple
aspects
of
the
program.
One
of
the
primary
things
is
ensuring
that
the
philosophy
of
the
program
is
maintained
going
forward.
J
We
review
the
programs
to
ensure
that
they
are
operating
effectively
and
are
fulfilling
the
mission
of
the
organization.
We
also
are
involved
in
improving
staffing
plans
for
sunrise
for
for
sunrise,
as
well
as
the
the
president.
The
position
of
the
president.
J
We
also
make
have
oversight
over
facilities
for
the
for
sunrise,
as
that
goes
forward
and
then
finally,
exercise
the
fiduciary
responsibility
over
the
financing
of
sunrise
children's
services
and
looking
at
the
the
intake
of
funds,
the
outflow
of
funds,
both
from
the
contracts
that
sunrise
has,
as
well
as
the
donations
and
that
help
offset
some
of
the
costs
of
services
that
are
provided.
M
Sunrises
is
often
asked
by
entities
in
rural
areas
to
establish
programming.
What
you
see
in
front
of
you
now
is
a
building
across
from
the
courthouse
in
harlan
kentucky.
When
you
talk
about
broadband-
and
we
know
these
folks
in
eastern
kentucky
have
been
waiting
for
that
for
a
long
time
that
will
help
us
reach
folks
that
need
critical
help.
Again
there
there
are.
There
are
folks
in
eastern
kentucky
that
need
to
need
help
and
there's
just
not
enough
services
for
them.
M
So
we'll
we
will
be
opening
up
a
family
services
office
there
again
directly
across
from
the
courthouse
courthouse,
we'll
be
working
with
some
of
the
judges,
some
of
the
attorneys
there,
as
families
need
help
they
they.
It
will
be
very
convenient
to
come
right
across
the
street
and
we
we
will
start
working
and
doing
counseling
with
those
programs
with
those
with
those
individuals.
M
One
of
the
neat
things
about
this
building
upstairs
there
are
eight
apartments
that
we're
going
to
renovate
and
we're
going
to
use
that
for
independent
living
and
venture
on
we're
going
to
find
youth
young
adults
from
the
area
that
need
a
hand
out
and
we're
going
to
work
with
them,
give
them
a
place
to
to
lay
their
head
and
tie
them
to
the
community
college
and
some
other
workforce
development
programs
and
really
start
moving
them
through
that
process
of
a
path
of
life
for
them
drastically
needed
in
eastern
kentucky.
M
The
solid
rock
children's
ranch
is
is
something
that's
kind
of
in
the
the
planning
phases.
It
is
a
a
trust
of
a
working
farm
that
has
been
giving
to
us
and
the
the
vision
of
this
person
is
to
develop.
Something
like
has
been
developed
in
hersey
pennsylvania,
that
that
is
a
sort
of
a
village
concept
hard
to
place.
Team
foster,
kids,
which
is
an
enormous
problem
here
in
the
commonwealth,
would
have
a
place
to
live
in
sort
of
a
group
setting
there.
M
There
would
be
a
a
an
overseer
there
in
in
every
one
of
those
homes.
It
would
be
three
homes
on
this
property.
There
would
be
animals
and
equine
therapy
and
so
on
and
again
taking
hard
to
place
teens
and
maybe
giving
them
a
hand
up.
M
This
is
the
sanders
center
on
the
danville
campus
and
again.
This
is
an
aging
out.
We're
going
to
use
this
and
partner
with
harrisburg
campbellsville
university.
We
can.
We
could
house
up
to
16
children
in
this
facility
or
or
young
adults.
Actually
it
could
be
17,
18,
19.,
again
tying
them
to
opportunities
at
campbellsville
university.
M
That
particular
campus
has
has
one
one-year
two-year
degrees.
You
can
get
a
four-year
degree,
but
you
can
do
hvac.
You
can
learn
to
cut
hair
a
welding
program
and
so
on,
finding
a
path
of
life
for
for
these,
these
late
teenagers.
That
simply
need
that
that
hand
to
to
move
forward.
M
And
again,
finally,
this
is
our
mount
washington
residential
program
directly
across
the
street.
We,
we
is
our
program
that
houses
boys
that
have
been
sexually
abused.
It's
one
of
the
only
programs
in
the
state
they
come
to
us
because
they
potentially
are
showing
signs
of
acting
out.
These
are
boys
that
have
experienced
trauma
many
many
many
times
over.
M
M
You
know
why
are
we
different
there's
a
lot
of
people
out
there,
a
lot
of
providers
doing
a
lot
of
great
work.
Sunrise
has
always
been
a
faith-based
organization.
We
love
god,
we
love
people,
we
don't
apologize
for
that.
Sometimes
sometimes
folks,
don't
completely
understand
that,
but
but
we
have
always
looked
to
take
care
of
the
least
of
these,
some
of
the
most
hurting
vulnerable
children
and
families.
M
We
do
that
through
therapeutic
modalities.
We,
we
are
a
behavioral
health
service
organization.
We
receive
that
license
in
in
the
latter
part
of
2013,
and
we
will
use
that
license
to
continue
the
good
work
for
counseling
as
we
move
forward
one
of
the
critical
areas
here
in
in
kentucky
and
it
you
know,
I'd
have
to
go
back
to
some
of
the
michelle
p
waiver.
M
A
lot
of
things
that
are
being
experienced
in
those
programs
are
being
experienced
here
at
sunrise,
but
but
the
the
need
for
qualified
therapists
to
work
with
an
ever
increasing
population
of
folks
that
need
help
certainly
is
is
a
tremendous
tremendous
need
here
in
the
commonwealth
and
and
those
therapists
do
work
under
our
behavioral
health
bhso
license.
M
So
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
our
counsel
john
sheller,
to
do
a
synopsis
of
some
of
the
legal
legal
issues
we've
been
facing,
and
what
brings
us
to
this
meeting
today.
N
Thank
you,
dale
and
thank
the
committee
for
your
attention
today
to
to
clarify
sunrise
has
had
a
contract
with
the
cabinet
for
health
and
family
services
for
almost
50
years
now
it
has
contracted
with
the
cabinet,
through
both
democratic
and
republican
administrations.
N
During
that
entire
time,
in
with
the
exception
of
the
most
recent
administration,
sunrise's
contracts
run
from
july
1st
to
june
30th
of
any
given
year.
N
The
the
most
recent
contract
was
the
19
of
the
2019
to
2020
contract,
and
so
we
began,
which
was
of
course
the
last
year
under
the
bevin
administration.
N
We
began
efforts
to
renew
that
contract
for
the
following
year,
the
2020
21
year
in
the
spring
of
2020,
with
the
the
new
secretary
of
the
cabinet,
which
secretary
friedlander
and
we
were
unsuccessful
in
getting
that
contract
for
2021,
so
sunrise
has
technically
been
operating
now
without
a
contract
for
nearly
a
year,
the
cabinet
has
continued
to
work
with.
Sunrise
has
continued
to
reimburse
sunrise
for
its
services
over
the
last
11
months.
N
N
There
is
ongoing
litigation
that
has
been.
That
sunrise
has
been
involved
in
with
the
aclu
since
the
since
2020
over
21
years
now,
but
that
wouldn't
have
prevented
a
new
contract.
So
we
were
sort
of
in
the
dark
and
perplexed
about
why
the
cabinet
was
so
adamant
about
the
situation.
N
That
contract,
though,
is
does
not
have
to
be
uniform,
does
not
have
to
be
identical.
Sunrise
has
always
found
a
way
to
partner
with
the
commonwealth
by
tweaking
a
few
words
in
the
contract.
Mr.
A
N
Okay,
we
are
being
asked
to
comply
with
a
regulation
that
was
actually
repealed
in
november
of
2019.
N
We
don't
know
why
the
commonwealth
keeps
hanging
their
hat
on
that
it's
a
remnant
of
the
obama
administration
that
was
repealed
in
the
trump
administration
and
the
the
biden
administration
has
not
reimposed
that
so
there's
no
federal
mandate.
That
would
require
the
commonwealth
to
treat
sunrise
the
way
it
has
and
we're
simply
asking
that
sunrise's.
First
amendment
rights
be
be
respected,
going
forward
as
a
matter
of
both
federal
law
and
state
law
and,
of
course,
the
supreme
law
of
the
first
amendment.
N
The
general
assembly
has
spoken
on
this
a
number
of
times.
We
understand
that
the
general
assembly
is
supportive
of
the
first
amendment
rights.
Five
constitutional
officers
in
the
state
agree
with
us
have
have
beseeched
governor
beshear
to
change
his
mind
so
far
without
success
and
as
a
last
resort
of
course,
we
may
be
forced
to
go
to
to
court
to
protect
sunrise's
first
amendment
rights,
but
we
hope
we
hope
that
the
the
administration
will
will
have
a
change
of
heart
and
deal
with
sunrise
without
the
courts
forcing
it
to
do
so.
N
So
with
that,
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions,
and
I'm
sure,
mr
weeks
and
mr
suttles
are
as
well.
M
Yes,
and
and
that's
we
we-
I
can
get
you
a
more
defined
answer.
I
apologize
our
accounting
folks,
one
one
of
our
folks
is
in
the
hospital
today
and
another
had
a
med
emergency
in
dallas
texas,
but
but
but
I
can
tell
you
that,
looking
at
what
I've
got
in
front
of
me
so
far
this
year
are
our
revenues
from
the
cabinet
is
about
16
million
dollars.
A
M
Our
total
expenses
so
far
this
year
is
22
228
22
million
228.
Now
we
have
just
like
the
young
lady
that
addressed
with
the
michelle
p
waiver.
We've
had
a
lot
of
overtime
because
we've
had
to
cover
we've
had
to
cover
a
lot
of
hours
through
overtime,
simply
because
it's
it's
hard
to
find
folks
to
work.
A
And
from
where
does
the
six
million
dollar
net
negative
come.
M
We
raise,
we
have
always
raised
our
shortfall.
There's
always
been
a
shortfall.
We
get
reimbursements
from
the
kentucky
baptist
convention
of
about
one
two
million
1.2
million,
and
then
we
we
do
our
best
to
raise
the.
M
It's
it's
it's
the
kind
of
the
way
it
works.
You
know
again,
the
children
our
children
are
are
are
given
a
level
of
care
when
they
come
in
you're
paid
up
on
that
level.
That
level
goes
down
drastically,
but
you
have
to
continue
to
have
the
same
level
of
staffing.
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
I
know
I
have
two
more
people
have
questions,
but
I
have
another
meeting
at
three
o'clock,
so
we're
going
to
close
very
quickly
mr
suttles,
mr
weeks,
mr
sheller,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation
today
and
then
I'm
going
to
go
back
real,
quick
on
the
prior
subject
matter
on
broadband,
the
internet
speed
test
website.
This
is
how
the
executive
branch
will
measure
speed
requirements
throughout
the
state
and
do
that
mapping.
So
they
can
see
where
the
need
actually
is.
A
I
encourage
anybody
in
local
government
school
systems,
anything
else
to
go
to
that
website
and
do
it
the
better
the
mapping
we
have
the
more
efficient,
we'll
use
our
state
dollars
that
are
being
appropriated
for
the
broadband
and
get
to
the
last
of
the
last
miles.
With
that
being
said,
it
is
now
three
o'clock.
We
are
adjourned.