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B
A
President
in
the
room,
just
a
quick
reminder
for
our
members
that
are
doing
this
remotely.
Please
contact
us
if
you
do
have
a
question
at
this
time,
I'm
just
going
to
want
to
take
and
mention
what
we
just
the
passing
of
one
of
our
great
members.
Senator
tom
buford
tom
was
a
great
member.
Suddenly
he
passed
away
yesterday,
senator
higdon.
If
you
would
like
to
make
some
comments.
E
E
He
passed
away
at
the
age
72
and,
like
I
said
it
30
plus
years
in
the
general
assembly,
and
he
was
always
had
a
smile
on
his
face
and
something
witty
to
say,
and
he
was
certainly
looking
forward
to.
He
was
not.
He
made
it
pretty
much
official
that
he
wasn't
running
again
and
he
was
looking
forward
to
those
years
outside
the
general
assembly,
where
his
phone
didn't
ring
but
did
and
and
to
close
with
a
tom
buford
ism.
E
A
A
We
have
a
second
so
moved
so
at
this
time,
we're
going
to
start
our
program,
we're
going
to
get
everyone
out
of
here
within
one
hour,
but
we
started
a
minute
late.
So
give
me
1201,
please,
okay,
and
that
was
because
of
technical
difficulties.
Our
members
are
all
here,
secretary
gray,
could
you
please
step
forward?
Have
your
people.
B
A
A
F
F
So
I
really
just
have
two
slides
here
for
you
today
and
the
first
one
is
the
shows
you
historical
graph
of
the
road
funds
that
have
been
directly
appropriated
to
other
agencies
and
needs
back
since
fiscal
year,
2001
and
through
fiscal
year
2022,
and
so
since
that
time
over
about
1.9
billion
in
road
funds
have
been
diverted
to
other
agencies
and
needs,
and
so
those
haven't
been
available
for
transportation
needs.
F
So,
as
you
can
see
in
this
graph,
the
trend
was
was
starting
to
go
up
up
more
and
more
and
more
until
recently
beginning
in
2021,
it's
started
to
drop
off
and
it
dropped
off
even
more
in
fiscal
year
2022,
and
I'm
going
to
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more
in
the
next
slide.
F
F
So
in
this
slide
again,
I
think
you
all
have
have
seen
this
before
I've
updated
this
for
fiscal
year.
2022
estimates
now
this
includes
direct
road
fund
appropriations,
as
well
as
just
other
road
funds
that
go
to
other
agencies
for
various
items,
as
you
can
see
up
there
in
the
on
the
right
side
of
the
of
the
chart,
I've
kind
of
specified,
which
ones
are
direct
road
fund
appropriations,
either
in
an
executive
branch
budget
bill
or
kytc
bill,
and
you
can
see
there
are
several
on
there
that
are
don't
have
anything
in
them
they're
blank.
F
I
believe
those
were
replaced,
maybe
with
some
federal
stimulus
funds
and
so
in
in
doing
that,
while
you
are
also
working
on
the
budget
for
fiscal
year
2022,
there
was
also
a
reduction
in
road
fund
expenditures
going
to
other
agencies
and
that's
what
you're
seeing
here
the
areas
where
there's
not
anything?
No
no
road
funds
were
appropriated
for
for
fy
2022..
F
F
F
I
won't
go
through
every
item
on
this
list.
That's
obviously
pretty
lengthy.
I
did
want
to
touch
on
just
some,
some
of
the
higher
dollar
items
and
kind
of
what
they're
used
for
so
after
we've
talked
about
the
those
initial
funds
for
justice
and
public
safety,
there's
also
about
five
million
dollars
that
goes
to
energy
and
environment
cabinet,
for
the
kentucky
pride
fund,
that
is
in
statute,
and
it's
for
litter
abatement
and
basically
beautification
of
the
roadways
there's
also
about
6.8
million
that
is
budgeted
for
rent
and
electricity
for
the
transportation
cabinet
office.
F
Approximately
9.3
million
is
estimated
for
fleet
charges
for
the
cabinet's
use
and
maintenance
of
almost
1800
fleet
vehicles
used
across
the
state,
and
so
the
estimated
total
of
all
these
expenses
is
about
110
million
and
that's
almost
or
about
seven
percent
of
what
our
enacted
road
fund
revenue
estimate
for
fiscal
year.
2022
is-
and
that
concludes
my
presentation.
Unless
you
have
any
questions.
D
D
Absolutely
all
right
out
of
the
list
that
you
have
up
on
the
screen
right
now
are
there
any
that
the
agency
would
look
at
and
go,
and
you
can
share
this
offline
if
you
need
to
not
sure
why
we're
continuing
to
deduct
money
out
of
the
road
fund
for
payment
of
these
particular
expenses,
as
in
they
shouldn't
come
out
of
the
road
fund
which
would
increase
the
amount
that
stays
in
the
road
fund
I'd
be
interested
to
know
if
the,
if
the
cabinet
has
any
perspective
on
that,
can
share
that
offline.
If
you
so
choose.
F
Yeah
I
mean
I
personally
don't
have
an
opinion
either
way,
but
I
do
think
that
it's
important
to
look
at
you
know
where
our
road
fund
dollars
are
going.
I
mean
we
get
asked
all
the
time
you
know
where
are
these
dollars
going
they're
attacked
by
dollars,
and
I
think
that
some
things
are
it's
more
obvious
where
those
dollars
go
and
and
other
things
not
so
much.
So
I
always
think
that
I
think
it
helps
you
know
to
look
at
where
every
dollar
is
going.
I
would.
D
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
robin
thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
the
the
kentucky
pride
payment
when
that
originally
set
up
to
be
2.5
million
out
of
our
funding
and
and
the
the
the
environmental
cabinet
to
match
that.
F
E
Okay,
the
way
I
like
to
look
at
that
you
said
it
was
seven
percent,
it's
a
it's
close
to
four
cents,
a
gallon
or
four
four
pennies,
and
you
know,
as
we
look
at
26
cents
being
tremendously
short
of
what
we
need
to
properly.
Do
our
transportation
system
we're
giving
four
cents
away
to
other
agencies.
E
Of
course,
some
of
it
does
belong
there,
but-
and-
and
I
do
want
to
thank
chairman
petrie
and
chairman
mcdaniel-
for
working
with
us
on
on
the
state
police
to
reduce
what
the
road
foam
was
paying
there
and
I
think
going
forward.
E
The
road
phone
will
pay
its
fair
share
and
not
to
not
carry
the
most
of
the
load,
so
I'm
very
thankful
to
them,
and
we've
we've
talked
openly
about
chairman
petrie
about
some
of
these
issues
and
I
think
we'll
address
them
in
some
later
meetings
and
have
some
of
these
folks
like
from
the
artisan
center
to
come
in,
and
you
know
why.
Why
do
we?
They
need
eight
hundred
and
some
thousand
dollars
from
from
the
transportation
budget
and
and
then
we
somebody
like,
I
said
some
of
those
issues,
then
one
we've.
E
We've
often
asked
about
if
you
look
down
driver's
education
and
traffic
school
colorado
state
patrol
a
million
dollars.
You
know
we
want
to
know
about
that
a
little
bit
and
we
we've
talked
about
those
issues,
and
so
we
will
continue
to
talk
about
them,
because
it
is
important
that
we
we
watch
these
funds
that
are
designated
for
transportation,
that
we
keep
them
strictly
for
transportation
purposes.
So,
thank
you
robin
I'm.
I
appreciate
it
and
appreciate
you
listening
to
my
rant.
Thank
you.
A
Any
other
members
have
any
questions.
I
know
we're
going
to
work
on
this
got
to
remember
our
cost
of
material
and
labor
is
going
keeps
going
up
and
since
2001
they've
been
robbing
transportation
to
balance
the
general
fund
budget,
I
we're
going
to
really
keep
looking
at
this.
You
know
I
just
hear
one
thing:
1.9
billion
in
road
funds.
I
have
a
bridge
in
north
kentucky.
It's
not
going
to
be
quite
that
much.
C
A
It's
always
on
my
mind,
people,
but
robin.
Thank
you
very
much
we're
going
to
really
work
on
this
this
session,
with
senator
mcdaniel
and
representative
petry,
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
good
team
to
try
and
shore
you
people
up
and
get
some
good
funding
and
keep
up
the
good
work.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
all
right.
Next
on
our
agenda,
mr
secretary.
G
I
will
introduce
tracy
in
just
a
minute
chairman,
petry
I'll
I'll,
say
in
a
shorthand
answer.
Is
that
we'll
take
all
the
resources
that
you
can
muster
for
us
how's?
That.
G
All
right,
mr
chairman,
thanks
for
inviting
us
to
be
here
and
chair
chairs,
up
church
and
higdon.
Thank
you
all
and
members
of
the
all
the
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
all
for
inviting
us
to
be
with
you
today.
G
You
know
this
conversation,
in
my
view,
is
really
about
about
two
things:
economic
opportunity
and
safety,
and
just
hold
with
that
as
we
go
through
this
presentation
today-
and
I
want
to
begin
by
thanking
thanking
the
legislature
and
certainly
thanking
governor
beshear
for
introducing
the
reorganization
of
the
secretary's
office
of
safety
in
the
transportation
cabinet.
The
legislature
codified,
the
governor's
recommendation
and
just
give
a
little
bit
of
background
for
that.
G
Our
strategic
plan
is
to
promote
safety
across
all
programs
at
the
cabinet,
and
our
goal
in
creating
this
office
was
to
illuminate
safety
internally
within
our
own
workforce
within
our
own
employees,
especially
those
on
the
front
line
to
illuminate
safety
internally,
so
that
we
could
do
an
even
better
job
of
creating
a
culture
of
safety
outside
illuminating
it
inside.
So
it
could
create
even
a
better
awareness
and
culture
of
safety
for
the
driving
public,
and
so
I
want
to
acknowledge-
and
thank
you
all
for
that.
G
she's,
a
wisconsin
native
and
a
graduate
of
the
university
of
wisconsin-madison.
Her
previous
roles
before
assistant
state
highway
engineer,
including
included
operations
in
pavement
management.
Then
director
of
maintenance
and
within
the
cabinet,
she's
recognized
as
a
subject
matter:
expert
expert
on
performance
management
and
on
data
driven
decisions.
B
B
What's
that
yeah,
just
in
my
colleague
I'm
on
the
conference
call,
but
I
don't
know.
G
A
G
G
G
At
the
same
time,
it
is
a
steadily
aging
infrastructure,
it's
showing
its
age.
In
many
ways,
our
current
maintenance
funding
is
not
sufficient
to
keep
up
some
key
points.
Kentucky
has
over
9
thousand.
In
fact,
nine
thousand
sixty
nine
counting
today
state
maintained
bridges,
the
seventh
largest
network
in
the
country,
sixty
three
thousand
nine
hundred,
let's
say
sixty
four
thousand
lane
miles
of
pavement,
which
is
the
eighth
largest
network
in
the
country,
with
a
combined
value
of
53
billion.
G
G
The
strains
on
our
maintenance
budget,
2021
winter
storms
and
flooding
they
ate
up
20
percent
of
the
budget.
As
you
all
know,
our
weather
is
getting
more
severe,
not
less
road
and
bridge.
Upkeep
upkeep
is
a
data-driven
process
and
the
factors
for
deciding
maintenance
priorities
include
mobility,
risk
and
road
condition.
Pavement
condition
available
dollars
are
stretched
today,
kytc
has
reduced
overall
payment
needs
by
500
million
within
four
years,
but
750
million
a
year
to
improve
improve
just
improve
state-owned
roads
and
bridges
and
500
million
a
year
just
to
maintain
the
status
quo.
G
H
All
right,
thank
you
secretary
and
thank
you,
chairman
santoro
and
members
of
the
budget
review
subcommittee
on
transportation,
for
allowing
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
today.
I
hope
today
I
can
leave
you
with
a
better
understanding
of
our
infrastructure
needs
statewide,
but
also
a
better
understanding
that
the
men
and
women
of
kytc
are
dedicated
professionals
that
are
working
every
day
to
find
improvement
and
make
the
best
decisions
possible
for
our
friends
and
neighbors
and
the
traveling
public
at
large.
B
B
A
H
H
H
H
H
That
kind
of
worse
first
strategy
creates
an
endless
cycle
of
increasing
needs
and
it's
effectively
a
strategy
like
the
dog
chasing
the
tail.
Today,
both
our
bridges
and
pavements
show
a
trend
of
decreasing
good
condition
and
increasing
fair
condition,
and
that
large
number
of
fair
condition,
structures
and
pavements
shows
us
a
greater
urgency
for
preservation
funding.
H
Now
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
operations
side
of
maintenance
that
keeps
kentucky
traffic
moving,
providing
mobility
to
our
citizens
during
extreme
weather
events
makes
our
operating
budget
extremely
fragile
kentucky.
Faced
a
difficult
winter.
This
past
season,
the
february
ice
storms
cost
kentucky
approximately
two
million
dollars
per
day
over
the
course
of
two
weeks
just
for
snow
and
ice
removal
alone,
the
flooding
that
followed
impacted,
94
of
our
120
counties
and
costs
an
additional
7
million
dollars
together.
That
means
that
kentucky
spent
20
percent
of
our
maintenance
operating
budget
in
just
one
month.
H
H
Our
next
generation
prioritization
will
include
mobility
and
risk
along
with
condition,
and
it
will
be
almost
like
a
shift
process
except
for
maintenance
when
we
are
considering
mobility
for
pavements
and
bridges.
What
we'll
be
looking
at
is
what
what
is
the
detour
associated
with
that
asset?
What
is
the
average
daily
traffic?
What
is
the
average
daily
truck
traffic?
H
Is
it
a
school
bus
route
and
is
it
an
emergency
route
when
we
look
at
risk
for
our
bridges
and
pavements
we'll
be
looking
at
on
the
bridge
side,
if
it
has
fracture
critical
components,
what
is
the
scour
criticality
and
what
is
the
inspection
cycle
and
for
pavements
we'll
be
looking
at
friction
and
other
safety
considerations
and
then
we'll
be
taking
our
condition?
Data
from
our
bridge
and
pavement
inspections
together.
Selecting
these
selecting
projects
through
these
three
components
will
allow
us
to
have
more
impact
for
each
dollar
spent.
H
H
H
A
common
mistake
is
to
look
at
the
unfunded
needs
that
two
billion
dollars
and
divide
it
by
a
number
of
years
say
10
to
get
the
number
of
funding
needed
over
the
course
of
10
years,
but
that
fails
to
account
for
the
constant
aging
of
our
infrastructure
and
the
number
of
structures
and
lane
miles
that
fall
into
the
poor
condition.
Each
year
today,
our
engineers
estimate
that
it
will
take
approximately
500
million
annually
to
maintain
the
current
condition
of
our
state-owned
roads
and
bridges
and
750
to
improve
the
conditions
of
our
state-owned
roads
and
bridges.
H
H
This
limits
our
buying
power,
which
often
forces
us
to
transfer
resources
to
our
higher
capacity
facilities
such
as
interstates
and
parkways
during
weather
events.
Restoration
of
this
budget
would
provide
us
greater
flexibility
and
allow
us
to
better
respond
to
the
needs
on
our
lower
capacity
roads.
H
Without
sufficient
funding
for
maintenance
and
operations,
our
travelers
will
experience
deteriorating
conditions,
more
disruptions
and
increased
costs.
In
2020
there
were
over
20
emergency
bridge
needs
and
subsequent
repairs
and
29
bridge
closures
statewide
today.
That
number
is
on
track
to
surpass
for
this
year.
H
H
Our
funding
must
address
those
needs,
those
immediate
needs,
but
also
system
conditions.
We
have
to
be
careful
to
avoid
spending
dollars
that
only
impact
a
limited
number
of
projects
and
therefore
only
a
limited
number
of
communities
and
I'll
just
give
you
two
examples
of
the
types
of
needs
that
we
try
to
balance
with
our
overall
system
conditions.
H
The
first
one
I'll
talk
about
a
little
is
the
simon
kenton
bridge.
For
me,
my
daughter
often
shows
her
horse
in
central
ohio
and
the
simon
kenton
bridge
is
the
first
glimpse
of
home.
After
a
long
week,
working
in
a
barn
with
her,
but
unfortunately
in
2019
we
found
damage
hanger
cables
on
the
bridge
leading
to
the
city
of
maysville.
We
put
a
short
short-term
repair
in
place,
but
a
more
comprehensive
cable
repair
project
is
needed
with
with
the
companion
bridge
next
door,
the
harsha
bridge.
H
It
is
hard
to
justify
the
needs
of
this
bridge
over
some
of
the
other
structures
on
our
network.
So
this
means
until
we
can
get
that
greater
cable
repair
project
scheduled
this
bridge
will
likely
be
subjected
to
a
cycle
of
inspection.
Closing
repairing
another
example
is
I-24
in
christian
county.
That's
an
immediate
need
that
emerged
quickly.
For
us,
the
failing
pavement
in
christian
county
was
an
identified
need
in
the
out
years
of
our
six
year
plan.
However,
the
concrete
slabs
experienced
a
rapid
failure
due
in
part
to
underlining
drainage
issues.
H
So
in
closing,
we
just
want
to
address
the
four
questions
that
were
originally
asked
of
us
today.
The
current
unfunded
needs
on
the
state-owned
pavement
and
bridge
system
total
an
estimated
2
billion
dollars.
500
million
annually
is
needed
to
maintain
the
current
conditions
on
our
state-owned
roads
and
bridges.
H
A
Do
any
members
have
any
questions
very
good
presentation,
senator
higgins.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
all
for
being
here
today.
I
just
wanted
the
newer
members
to
this
committee,
some
that
might
not
just
fyi
if
you
look
at
the
chart
to
the
routine
maintenance
buying
power.
If
you
go
back
to
that,
it's
back
towards
about
middleways
back,
you
see
the
2010,
the
bar,
the
bar
graphs
and
then
all
the
way
over
to
2020.
E
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
the
what
the
tax
rate
was
in
2010.
I
can
tell
you
for
sure.
In
2011
it
was
25.9
cents
fast
forward
to
2020
is
26
cents,
a
gallon,
so
pretty
much
identical
tax
rate
was
11
12
years
ago,
and
it's
still
well
it's.
I
guess,
12
years
now
going
on
12
years
with
the
same
tax
rate
and
I'm
I'm
pretty
sure
the
costs
have
gone
up
over
that
period
of
time
and
consumption
is
has
has
has
remained
the
same,
so
we're
collecting.
Not
only
is
the
rate
the
same.
E
We're
collecting
about
this.
You
know
the
the
gallons
used
are
the
same,
because
miles
driven
is
up.
Fuel
efficiency
is
is,
is
lower
much
higher
now
with
the
cafe
standard.
So
it's
kind
of
the
perfect
storm
we're
using
the
same
we're
getting
the
same
amount
of
money,
but
costs
continue
to
go
up
and
our
formula
we
had
a
decrease
in
in
the
gas
tax.
What
2015
and
our
formula
has
not
kicked
in
and
done
anything
to
to
offset
the
inflationary
increases
we've
had
since
2015..
E
So
if,
if
you
wonder
why
we're
having
shortages,
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
kind
of
that's
that's
the
perfect
storm.
That's
the
the
ham,
we're
dealt,
and
I
appreciate
secretary
gray
and
his
cabinet
for
squeezing
those
pennies
and
make
them
go
and
go
as
far
as
they
they
can
and-
and
so
just
wanted
to.
E
Thank
you
all
and
that's
for
our
newer
members
just
to
kind
of
an
update
on
how
we
how
we
got
to
where
we
are,
as
as
we
were,
the
status
quo,
we're
maintaining,
but
costs
continue
to
increase
and
needs
continue
to
increase
as
our
infrastructure
ages.
E
G
So
over
the
over
the
past
five
six
years,
we've
actually
lost
in
absolute
dollars.
Almost
a
billion
dollars
now
sort
of
think
of
it.
As
a
trend
lines.
We
got
that
trend
line,
that's
going,
that's
headed
downward
south
and
then
we've
got
the
trend
line
for
highway
construction.
The
highway
construction
cost
index
has
increased
over
that
same
period
about
35
percent
and
it's
increased
as
no
news
to
anybody
here
that
we're
seeing
just
un
really
unprecedented
price
escalations
right
now
throughout
the
construction
industry.
G
D
H
I
brought
a
lot
of
numbers.
Last
year
we
spent
approximately
400
million
on
our
state-owned
bridges
and
pavements.
D
So
400
million
available
to
you
last
fiscal
year
to
do
that:
yeah,
okay
and
then
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure.
I
understand
this
one
slide,
that's
all
okay,
so
we
got
400
million
in
a
year
available
and
if
I'm
looking
at
this
right,
we
have
500
million
annually
needed
to
maintain
current
conditions.
D
So
this
is
not
new
projects.
These
are
not
new
roads.
These
are
not
correct
those
type
things.
This
is
just
to
maintain
what
we
have
current
condition,
not
to
make
it
better
just
to
maintain
it
correct,
correct,
okay,
so
about
100
million
more
than
what
you
had
available
last
year.
Is
that
correct,
correct?
Okay,
then
I'm
looking
at
the
third
one,
750
million
annually
needed
to
improve
conditions.
D
Again,
I'm
not
catching
this
and
I'm
trying.
For
clarity's
sake,
this
is
not
new
roads
and
new
bridges
new
projects.
This
is
to
improve
the
condition
of
existing
roads
and
bridges.
Is
that
correct,
correct
so
just
on
maintaining
and
then
trying
to
improve
somewhat
insufficient
conditions
on
those
existing
structures?
D
G
D
Okay
understand
now
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
first
paragraph.
On
that
slide,
correct,
that's
right!
We've
got
two
billion
dollars
estimated
on
state-owned,
pavement
and
bridge
systems
that
I
assume
are
insufficient
deteriorating
in
need
of
repair
above
and
beyond.
What
we're
talking
about
on
those
annual
or
does
this
account
on
the
annual
numbers?
This.
D
D
B
A
Thank
you
we're
just
a
little
bit
short
there.
I
do
have
a
couple
questions.
You
went
back
to
the
slides
with
the
ice,
storm
and
the
flooding
and
all
so
will
we
receive
some
federal
funding.
H
H
A
A
Does
anyone
else
have
any
more
questions
to
tracy?
I
I
dig.
This
is
pretty
interesting
people
I
mean
you
guys,
keep
up
the
good
work
if
go
ahead,
represent
hebrew.
I
I
A
year
ago
we
had
no
road
work
and
we
were,
you
know,
obviously
we're
always
complaining
about
the
conditions
of
the
road,
but
what
perspective
to
realize
that
we've
got
money
coming
into
our
economy.
That
is
allowing
us
to
have
lettings,
and
so
I
just
I
thank
you
all
for,
for
you
know
starting
lettings
again
and
making
sure
that
our
road
work
is
getting
completed.
I
I
know
that's
part
of
us
helping
with
the
funding
on
that,
but
it
was
just
some
perspective
rather
than
complaining
about
having
to
deal
with
road
work.
Just
being
thankful
that
we're
we're
actually
able
to
see
improvements
of
the
road
work
and
just
kind
of
giving
grace
and
being
thankful,
we've
got
workers
that
are
helping
get
the
road
conditions
better,
so
descending
on
a
positive
note,
as
you
drive
home
through
construction,
be
grateful
for
it.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
You
know
my
my
favorite
color.
My
favorite
thing
is
orange
barrels.
I
I've
grown
I've
grown
to
love
them.
I'd
love
to
see
those
pop
up
all
over
the
state,
they're
much
needed,
but,
mr
secretary,
we
we
with,
I
guess,
the
help
of
chairman
petrie
and
chairman
mcdaniel
in
the
budget.
We
we
in
this
past
the
budget
to
just
end
it
we
get,
I
think,
additional
60
million
for
pavement
management
for
you
and
120
million
additional
dollars
for
construction
in
this
biennium
or
the
budget.
We're
in
now.
G
Spending
that
the
good
news
is
that
lettings
are
up
north,
our
projection
for
the
year
is
lettings,
will
be
north
of
800
million
and
that's
up
from
690
last
year.
G
G
Well-
and
we
were
talking
about
that
just
before
the
the
meeting-
and
even
if
we
get
some
funding
through
a
federal
package,
we're
still
going
to
need,
their
needs
are
greater
than
what
we
expect
that
we
may
be
able
to
achieve.
You
know
that
number
could
be
it
whatever.
It
is,
rather
than
speculating
on
what
it
might
be
whatever
it
may
be,
we're
still
going
to
be
we're
going
to
be
needing
resources,
and
I
wish
I
could
say
that
you
know
it's
more
of
one
time.
G
E
A
Shelley
you're
all
going
to
get
up
here,
I
guarantee
it.
I
said
1201
man.
This
is
too
important
for
the
people
representative
petry
go
ahead.
D
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
Senator
higdon
mentioned
the
approximate
60
million
dollars
additional
that
was
left
in
the
road
fund
of
that
money.
Is
there
a
way
to
relate
to
me
whether
that's
for
maintenance
or
whether
that's
going
through
discretionary
spending
or
whether
that's
going
into
new
projects,
or
I
would
hope,
with
the
amount
of
maintenance
that
we
just
discussed
in
the
500
million
and
750
million
annually,
that
it's
going
almost
exclusively
toward
maintaining
rather
than
discretionary
or
new
projects?
I.
G
Believe
it
is,
mr
representative,
but
I
want
to
confirm
that
with
mike
and
ron
guys
are
we
that
is
correct,
right
yeah,
it
is
focused.
D
On
maintenance:
okay,
would
you
mind?
Is
it
possible
to
get
to
the
chairman
and
myself
or
the
committee
members
what
that
extra
money,
that
approximately
60
million
dollars
is
being.
A
Sure
very
good,
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
our
members
know,
but
last
year
and
I'm
going.
This
is
a
plug
for
our
highway
contractors
because
they
took
some
of
these
projects
on
knowing
they
were
going
to
have
delay
and
payment
or
something
that's
right.
They
were
willing
to
work
for
us,
and
you
know
that
is
great
for
a
company
to
go
out
there,
knowing
I'm
not
going
to
get
paid
in
september,
maybe
december.
G
That's
true,
that
is
that
that
is
certainly
accurate.
Mr
chairman,
that
payments
were
delayed
was
fortunate
that
they
weren't
delayed
as.
E
A
Very
good,
thank
you
all.
No
further
comments.
We
appreciate
you
all
being
here
next
on
the
agenda
is
shelley
hampton
director
of
government
affairs,
kentucky
association
of
counties
she's
just
going
to
come
up
here
and
tell
me
how
great
everything
is
she
didn't
hear
that
you
want
to
come
up
both
okay
and.
I
A
J
C
And
we
will
be
mindful
of
the
clock,
mr
chairman,
mr
co-chairman,
santoro,
co-chairman,
higdon.
Thank
you
all
members
of
the
committee
for
the
invitation
to
share
some
of
the
examples
of
the
current
status
of
county
roads
for
several
sessions.
Now
road
funding
has
been
a
top
priority
for
our
members.
I
think,
as
all
of
you
all
know,
we
do
want
to
thank
the
legislature
for
their
efforts
to
try
to
to
keep
more
road
fund
money
in
the
road
fund.
C
See
if
I
can
do
this,
the
state
road
fund
is
one
part
of
the
equation
for
county
roads
and
bridges
with
the
responsibility
for
upkeep
of
half
of
all
the
roads
in
kentucky
and
a
third
of
all,
the
bridges
in
our
state
counties
are
fully
vested
in
maintaining
and
we're
possible
improving
the
roads
that
move
our
people
and
our
products
and,
as
you
know,
no
stranger
to
some
of
these
statistics
out
of
the
various
funding
sources
that
make
up
kentucky's,
1.5
billion
dollar
state
road
fund.
C
The
major
source
of
kentucky's
road
fund
is
that
motor
fuels
tax
that
makes
up
about
half
of
all
the
receipts
motor
vehicle
usage
tax.
That's
pretty
important
to
remember
motor
vehicle
usage
tax
is
a
close
second,
comprising
about
34
percent
of
funding,
it's
extremely
important
to
counties
and,
of
course,
to
our
friends
in
the
cities
where
that
increase
in
the
overall
road
fund
actually
comes
from
that
motor
vehicle
usage
tax
has
been
the
driver
in
recent
times
of
that,
overall
increase
of
which
counties
and
cities
received
nothing.
C
Oh
a
little
head.
Sorry,
while
counties
continue
to
stretch
dollars
and
to
continue
to
look
for
efficiencies
at
the
local
level,
the
challenges
remain,
for
example,
in
crittenden
county
in
the
west.
They
have
had
to
take
some
chip
and
seal
roads
back
to
gravel.
That
is
definitely
not
the
direction.
Any
of
us
want
our
roads
in
in
kenton
county.
Their
general
fund
contribution
out
of
local
dollars
has
increased
by
20
percent
in
just
four
years
to
over
2
million
dollars.
C
Annually
costs
continue
to
increase,
as
todd
county
recently
found
with
their
asphalt
bid
price,
which
was
last
year
around
60
to
65
000
per
mile.
Now
that
has
been
increased
to
80
000
per
mile
hardin
county
with
its
562
miles
of
roads,
has
budgeted
over
four
million
dollars
for
their
road
department
in
fy
22..
C
So
for
the
seventh
consecutive
year,
the
county
fiscal
court
will
cut
their
annual
asphalt
work
and
this
year
by
40
percent
over
last
year's
numbers,
harlan
county
in
the
east
has
630
county
road
miles.
They
are
responsible
for
in
2016
their
county
road
aid,
totaled
1.6
million.
In
2021
it
was
1.2
million
a
25
reduction.
C
The
purchasing
power
of
dollars,
as
the
secretary
alluded
to
earlier,
continues
to
shrink
as
we
push
sorely
needed
infrastructure
improvements
down
the
road,
just
maintaining
what
we
have
at
the
state
and
local
level
will
take
an
annual
funding
increase
statewide
of
two
to
three
percent.
This
does
not
allow
for
us
to
consider
new
projects
only
maintaining
what
we
have
in
place.
Now.
C
The
official
road
fund
revenue
estimate
for
fy
21
called
for
an
increase
of
5.8
percent.
As
of
april's
third
quarter,
numbers
revenues
would
have
to
increase
almost
24
in
that
last
quarter
to
meet
that
estimate
in
crittenden
county,
the
school
system
had
to
adjust
bus
routes
due
to
lack
of
suitable
roads.
Emergency
services
vehicles
had
to
use
longer
routes
in
certain
areas
of
their
county
due
to
bridge
closures
and
weight
reductions.
C
The
federal
american
rescue
plan
that
was
passed
in
march
will
definitely
bring
a
lot
of
one-time
much-needed,
but
very
restricted.
Funding
for
a
very
specific
list
of
allowable
expenditures
all
have
to
be
related
back
to
covet
19
response
also,
obviously,
that
will
not
solve
our
transportation
problems.
C
Kentucky
needs
sustainable,
long-term
solutions
that
will
address
both
our
current
needs,
as
well
as
look
ahead
at
the
technological
transportation
advances
already
on
the
market
in
order
to
keep
our
roads
safe,
continue
to
improve
the
quality
of
life
for
our
people
and
remain
economically
competitive
with
our
neighbors
in
the
global
marketplace.
Thank
you.
J
Our
63-member
board
for
the
kentucky
league
of
cities
stretches
all
across
the
state.
They
just
recently
met
in
june
to
approve
our
2022
agenda
and
again
modernization
of
transportation
funds
is
is
a
top
priority
for
for
our
organization.
Our
populations
continue
to
grow
in
our
cities.
55
percent
of
the
state's
population
currently
resides
within
city
limits,
but
the
state
and
federal
funds
only
provide
about
one-third
of
the
cost
for
maintaining
those
streets.
J
We
hear
a
lot
about
the
american
rescue
plan
act,
funds
and
how
our
cities
are
receiving
so
much
money,
but
it's
important
to
remember
that
those
are
one-time
funds
and
they
are
very
limited
in
how
we
spend
those.
The
money
cannot
be
spent
on
streets
and
bridges,
except
in
very
limited
situations,
and
the
one-time
money
does
not
address
the
structural
issues
that
are
related
to
our
ongoing
needs.
J
Our
municipalities
are
now
responsible
for
more
than
10
000
miles
of
public
streets.
Senator
higdon
alluded
to
cost
increase.
That
also
goes
towards
those
city
streets
city
streets
are
very
expensive
to
build
and
maintain
there's
ada
requirements
on
the
sidewalks
storm
water,
drains
underground
utilities,
bike
lanes,
traffic,
sensors
and
also
more
extensive
milling.
J
Just
one
ada
ramp
can
cost
approximately
twenty
seven
hundred
dollars
and,
as
you
all
know,
most
streets
have
more
than
one
ramp.
Cities
spend
more
than
340
million
dollars
a
year
just
to
maintain
and
build
our
streets.
Fixing.
All
of
our
current
transportation
needs
in
kentucky
would
require
roughly
75
million
more
each
year,
and
that
is
in
addition
to
the
millions
that
are
needed
for
the
state
projects
that
were
referenced
earlier,
and
the
additional
dollars
needed
for
one-time
mega-projects
that
are
important
to
our
city
in
the
state,
such
as
the
brent
spence
bridge.
J
Kentucky
also
needs
an
estimated
35
million
per
year
to
modernize
and
maintain
the
other
transportation
areas
that
are
important
to
cities
such
as
the
trans,
the
transit
and
the
river
ports.
As
shelly
alluded
to
are
just
to
maintain
our
current
level,
we
would
need
to
increase
two
to
three
percent
per
year.
The
motor
fuels
tax
is
the
only
portion
of
the
road
fund
that
is
shared
with
local
governments
to
ensure
the
maintenance
and
the
construction
of
community
streets
and
bridges.
J
J
J
Our
traffic
volume
has
increased
five
percent
since
2013
since
2011
our
commute
times
have
increased
by
6.3
percent,
and
the
average
driver
in
kentucky
spends
approximately
444
a
year
in
the
cost
of
driving
on
our
streets
in
need
of
repair.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
not
it
doesn't
appear
that
we're
just
asking
for
a
handout,
more
money.
A
I'm
just
going
to
make
a
comment:
you
know
the
county,
judges
and
the
mayors
they
get
it
firsthand.
You
know
they
hear
from
the
people.
You
know
we
have
potholes,
we
need
this.
We
need
that
and
they
only
have
so
much
money
and-
and
I
know
you
know-
I'm
well
aware
of
it-
it's
a
big
problem
you
presented
very
well.
Do
we
have
any
members,
have
any
comments,
questions
or
anything?