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A
We're
going
to
get
started
here.
I
know
we're
going
to
have
some
members
trickle
in
as
the
meeting
is
going,
but
we've
got
three
presentations
today,
so
we're
going
to
start
sharply
here
at
9..
At
this
time,
I'm
going
to
ask
secretary
to
call
the
roll
or
we
want
to
wait
till
we
have
a
few
more
members,
trickling
in
it's
up
to
you,
we'll
call
it
and
then
they
come
in
we'll
get
them.
A
Present
in
the
room,
so
at
this
time
I
think
we
have
enough
for
a
quarrel
and
do
we
want
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting
before
we
get
going
for
a
second
all
in
favor
say
goodbye
to
saying
hi,
those
like
hoes
okay.
So
at
this
time
we
are
going
to
start
with
representative
pratt,
he's
going
to
come
forward
at
this
time
and
discuss
his
data
center
bill
and
looks
like
we
have
a
few
guests
esteemed
guests,
joining
him
here
at
this
time.
A
If
you
all,
when
you
get
to
your
seats,
if
you
will
identify
yourself
for
the
record,
we're
going
to
turn
it
over
to
you
all
we'd
ask
all
members
to
hold
their
questions
to
the
end
of
the
presentation
and
if
you
are
remoted
in,
if
you
can,
let
us
know
through
the
app.
If
you
want
to
speak,
we
will
make
sure
you
get
called
on
representative
brad
good
morning.
Good.
B
Morning,
sherman
castle,
thank
you
for
having
us
today
committee
members
we're
going
to
talk
today
about
data
centers.
This
was
a
bill
that
was
passed
last
session
and
we're
going
to
discuss
it
again.
B
Actually
passed
got
vetoed
so
hopefully
we're
going
to
avoid
that
this
year,
basically,
data
centers
are
they
generate
income
and
business
taxes,
create
additional
property
taxes
to
improve
local
revenue.
Data
centers
are
recession,
proof
and
again,
when
I
say
recession
proof.
Actually,
last
night,
when
I
got
home
there
was
a
package
on
my
door,
which
my
my
daughter
or
my
wife,
one
or
two
had
ordered.
B
So
it
is
a
without
doubt
ongoing
business
with
engineering,
technical,
electrical
and
construction
jobs
and
competitive
salaries
in
states
where
companies
like
google
and
facebook
have
built
data
centers
the
massive
facilities
employees
contribute
safely
to
local
taxes.
Most
of
these
employ
well
over
a
hundred
people,
most
almost
everyone
that
works
there
makes
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year.
They
buy
three
and
four
hundred
acres
to
build
these
on.
They
promote
broadband
expansion
and
enhances
existing
network
infrastructure.
B
G
G
Earlier
this
summer
early
june,
an
rfp
service
called
bumblebee
advised
the
50
states
that
there
were
five
800
million
dollar
projects
from
one
company.
That
would
be
decided
over
the
course
of
july
august
and
september.
G
We're
not
in
that
consideration,
because
we
haven't
moved
this
law
to
the
books
yet
about
20
states
are
the
one
handout
you
have
in
your
package
today.
Your
packet
today
is
from
the
commonwealth
of
pennsylvania,
which
last
week
after
two
years
of
work,
passed
a
gop
sponsored
data
center's
bill
with
an
enthusiastic
signature
from
a
democratic
governor.
G
G
We've
had
tremendous
support
from
matt
tackett
and
the
kaed
john
bevington,
who
is
governor
bevin's,
commissioner
of
economic
development,
now
with
lg
e
ku,
and
the
chair
of
kaed
will
give
you
great
advice
on
how
this
can
work
to
the
positive
chairman
weber.
Thank
you
for
your
support.
All
along
to
chairman
mcdaniel
for
his
forward
thinking
about
technology
technology
jobs
and
how
we
grow
the
economy
of
the
future.
G
For
the
administration's
purposes
there
were
voices
of
concerned
about
any
economic
loss.
There
is
no
loss.
The
state
doesn't
write
a
check.
The
state
doesn't
move
money
to
companies
to
make
this
work.
In
fact,
it's
quite
the
opposite
until
they
reach
the
threshold
in
chairman
pratt's
bill
of
150
million
dollars
and
prove
conclusively
that
the
project
is
going
to
work,
there's
no
incentive
whatsoever,
that's
a
very
good
feature
in
your
bill
and
one
worth
noting
also
to
represent
meredith's
work
on
the
economy
of
the
future.
G
G
G
G
G
G
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
representative
pratt
and
mr
babbage
and
lauren
for
being
here
today
and
presenting
this
this.
The
data
center
bill
was
a
good
piece
of
legislation
and-
and
I'm
I'm
happy
to
see
you
bob
address
some
of
the
issues
that
materialized
late
in
the
session
on
this
may
have
contributed
to
the
veto
of
the
bill,
which
is
unfortunate
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
during
a
full
meeting
of
the
economic
development
committee.
D
As
you
said,
we
heard
from
secretary
larry
hayes
with
the
economic
development
cabinet
that
they
support
this
bill
and
they
they
supported
it,
and
it
was
a
good
bill
and
they
saw
the
benefits
to
it.
It
was
unfortunate
that
the
governor
did
not
choose
to
discuss
with
his
own
cabinet
their
support
for
the
bill
and
he
vetoed
it.
I
say
all
that
to
say,
as
I'm
looking
over
this
press
release,
that's
in
our
packet
today
from
pennsylvania,
it
it's
just
unfortunate
and
sad
that
we
are
missing
an
opportunity
in
this
state.
D
As
representative
pratt
said,
mr
chairman,
these
are
good
paying
jobs
and
these
are
jobs.
That
would
be
a
great
benefit
to
rural
areas.
In
the
state
these
data
centers
are
are
looking
for
rural
areas,
they're,
not
looking
for
necessarily
the
golden
triangle
that
we
hear
referenced
in
this
state,
but
they're
looking
in
areas
in
rural
kentucky,
where
jobs
that
pay
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
year,
and
they
may
get
upwards
of
of
a
hundred
of
those
jobs
at
facilities
and
they
can
retool
existing
facilities
that
may
be
dormant
and
and
unused.
D
Those
can
be
retooled
to
fit
this
purpose,
and
so
I
again
I
circle
back
to
say
a
great
opportunity
was
missed
in
2021,
but
I'm
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
this
bill
will
be
coming
back
in
the
2022
session.
D
I
think
we
need
to
move
on
it
at
the
earliest
possible
date
to
take
full
advantage
of
the
opportunity
that
we
have
here,
and
I
make
a
prediction
this
this
bill
will
pass
in
the
2022
session
and
I'm
going
to
be
a
part
of
that,
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you,
representative,
pratt
and
and
the
folks
that
are
with
you
today.
We
need
this
bill.
It's
sad.
We
missed
that
opportunity
this
last
year.
B
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you,
mr
webber,
but
also
this
bill
is
designed
so
that,
if
you
want
the
best
economic
return,
best
incentives,
you
have
to
move
to
the
smaller
economic
impact
zones
and
that's
where
we
tell
it
so
that
would
move
out
to
the
smaller
counties
to
help
those
without
a
doubt
and
create
good
paying
jobs.
G
If
I
might
mr
chair,
yes,
the
the
notion
that
was
put
forth
by
one
group
that
the
state
could
lose
money
that
perhaps
prompted
another
cabinet,
not
economic
development,
to
express
concern
to
the
governor's
office
is
simply
not
the
case.
The
bill
is
structured
in
a
way
that
the
state
does
not
suffer
a
loss,
there's
no
check
to
a
company,
it's
completely
the
other.
The
company
has
to
perform
to
make
this
happen.
G
Also,
these
companies
are
insisting
on
renewable
energy.
Another
assertion
was
that
this
is
going
to
raise
electric
rates,
in
fact
around
the
country
because
of
the
renewable
factor
put
into
a
market.
The
electric
rates,
or
utility
rates
are
stabilized
for
10
to
15
years,
something
that
I
think
lg
e
ku
would
back
up.
They
have
the
capacity
to
do
that
in
many
places
in
the
state
and
they'll
tell
you
that
it's
it's
very
much
a
positive
to
the
entire
economy
in
terms
of
rates
and
stabilization
of
rates
for
years
to
come.
A
Represent
pat
lauren
bob,
I
appreciate
your
presentation.
I
remember
late
in
the
session
last
year
in
front
of
anr
you,
you
just
kind
of
describing
this
and
going
over,
and
it
was
exciting
to
hear
about
the
opportunities
that
we
could
see
here
in
kentucky,
and
so
hopefully
we
can
get
this
hallway
across
the
finish
line
in
the
upcoming
session.
So
thank
you
all
for
your
presentation.
Thank.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
It's
good
to
see
you
today.
Members
of
the
committee
appreciate
your
time
much
the
same
as
representative
pratt
and
his
guests
testified.
He
was
kind
enough
last
year
in
conversations
with
me
to
allow
me
to
sub
into
his
data
center
bill,
something
that's
very
much
related
to
it,
which
deals
with
remote
workers.
H
You
know
in
his
book
before
the
first
shots
were
fired
general,
anthony
zinni,
who
had
been
the
commander
of
the
united
states
central
command.
Actually,
when
I
was
in
the
military,
makes
a
statement
about
organizations,
that's
been
made
many
times
about
things
that
evolve,
which
is
things
that
survive
are
not
necessarily
the
smartest
they're,
not
necessarily
the
strongest
but
they're
the
most
adaptable.
H
In
april
of
this
year,
44
of
all
workers
were
working
five
days
a
week
remotely.
The
estimates
are
that
by
2025,
roughly
22
percent
of
all
jobs
will
be
remote
jobs
full
time.
That's
an
87
increase
from
simply
five
years
earlier.
So
as
we
recognize
these
things,
we
have
to
evolve
and
we
have
to
er
recognize
some
of
the
emerging
trends,
the
biggest
of
which
is.
It
does
not
matter
where
a
remote
worker
lives
they
get
to
make
that
choice.
H
It's
not
like
when
most
of
us
entered
the
workforce
and
we
had
to
be
in
a
physical
location
where
our
employer
was
in
fact,
in
my
own
family,
I
have
family
members
who
live
in
who
work
in
seattle
and
live
in
taylor
mill
kentucky.
I
have
family
members
who
work
in
los
angeles
but
live
in
honolulu,
and
these
are
the
types
of
things
that
occur
in
a
very
rapidly
evolving
economy
and
there
are
states
across
the
nation
with
incentives
to
attract
these
workers,
and
these
workers
are
in
all
kinds
of
places.
H
They're
in
finance,
tutoring,
translation,
customer
service.
Those
are
traditional
industries
that
have
been
around
for
decades,
if
not
centuries,
but
in
some
of
the
new
realms
cyber
cyber
security,
digital
marketing.
Things
like
that.
Those
are
workers
who
are
also
engaged
in
this
environment,
so
the
bill
from
last
year,
which
I
had
originally
worked
on
and
chairman
petrie,
got
involved
and
gave
me
some
ideas
to
further
advance.
H
They
have
to
be
a
full-time
employee,
working
at
least
35
hours
a
week
and
have
moved
into
the
state
after
january,
the
1st
of
2021
or
been
a
student
at
a
college
or
university
in
kentucky
who
remains
in
this
state
or
a
member
of
the
armed
for
forces
who
receives
a
military
discharge
so
particularly
to
benefit
the
large
community
of
contractors
who
emerge
from
places
like
fort
campbell
and
to
further
incentivize
people
to
locate
in
our
more
rural
regions.
H
A
hundred
percent
of
the
credit
would
go
to
those
folks
if
they
were
in
the
the
lowest
density
communities
working
its
way
down
to
90
and
then
80
for
the
highest
density
communities.
But
if
you
were
in
an
economic
opportunity
zone
which
are
some
of
our
most
disadvantaged
urban
communities,
those
folks
would
be
eligible
for
100
of
the
credit
and
the
way
the
credit
would
work.
Is
this
your
first
year
of
residence?
It's
a
five
thousand
dollar
credit
working
its
way
down
to
four
thousand
the
second
year
than
three.
H
Then
two,
then
one
ultimately
phasing
out
to
nothing
and
if
you
bought
a
place
of
residence.
While
you
were
here,
your
first
year's
taxes
would
be
refunded
to
you.
So
the
goal
of
the
policy
is
not
just
a
one-time,
giveaway
arkansas.
Actually,
northwest
arkansas
has
a
one-time
ten
thousand
dollar
relocation
bonus.
I
mean
which
how
a
lot
of
these
things
are
structured,
but
we
don't
want
people
to
come
and
just
leave.
We
want
this
to
be
a
long-term
shift
for
the
commonwealth,
so
the
goal
is
to
get
young
people
here.
H
H
Unfortunately
much
like
the
underlying
legislation,
it
suffered
the
governor's
veto
on
the
last
possible
day,
but
it's
very
much
a
reality
and
it's
very
much
a
necessity.
If
we're
going
to
attract
that
ever-growing
of
the
workforce
that
is
purely
remote.
So,
mr
chairman,
I
I
do.
Thank
you
for
your
indulgence
today.
Those
are
the
mechanics
of
how
the
bill
works
and
the
necessity
behind
it.
I
gladly
entertain
any
questions
chairman.
A
Daniels,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
and
your
all's
work
on
this
bill.
We
definitely
know
that
the
remote
worker
is
something
that
we've
seen
really
elevated
during
covet
and
a
lot
of
businesses
around
the
country
have
realized
the
success
that
actually
comes
from
that
and
the
value
of
life
that
it
gives
people
in
different
communities
and
opportunity
across
the
state
for
those
to
work
in
our
bigger
cities
and
still
live
in
areas
all
across
the
commonwealth.
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
chairman
also.
I
just
have
a
a
very
quick,
simple
question.
Maybe
I
missed
this
somewhere
down
did
did.
Did
the
governor
give
the
reason
for
this
veto?
What
was
the?
What
was
the
reason
for
that?
Or
did
he
say
that
to
anybody
I
mean
I
never.
I
didn't
never
hear
the
reason
really.
H
It
was
a
fairly
vague
reference
to
once
again
some
information
that
I
don't
think
was
exactly
accurate.
That
came
out
on
the
potential
impacts
of
negative
impacts
of
the
financial
scoring
affiliated
with
it.
It
is
a
very
rough
one
to
score.
I
will
very
much
be
the
first
to
admit
that,
but
you're
also
talking
about
the
difference
in
if
we
attract
these
young
folks
versus
they're,
not
here
at
all
and
so
the
there
it
it
was
a
a
vague
reference.
H
In
my
opinion,
I
will
say
that
rocky
atkins
did
reach
out
in
advance.
I
thought
that
we
were
going
to
have
a
little
more
conversation
about
that,
but
in
advance,
meaning
two
hours
before
the
veto
came
out,
but
nonetheless
it
was.
It
was
a
vague
reference
to
the
potential
financial
impact.
C
Just
just
to
follow
up,
as
representative
weber
said
it's,
and
even
referring
back
to
the
last
presentation,
we
heard
it's
it's
unfortunate
that
we
that
we
had
that
happen
to
both
of
these
pieces
of
legislation
which
which
both
of
them
actually
passed
pretty
overwhelmingly
in
in
the
chambers,
but
it
it's
kind
of
unfortunate
that
we
had
to
had
to
have
those
vetoed,
and
hopefully
we
can
get
those
through
and
across
both
of
them
this
coming
session.
So
thank
you
for
your
work
on
that.
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
D
Sorry,
thank
you
senator
mcdaniel,
for
your
discussion
on
that
today.
I
look
at
these
types
of
bills,
as
we've
heard
discussed
today,
as
as
opportunities,
some
people
say
tools
in
our
tool
chest
things
available
to
us
that
can
attract
businesses
here.
Can
you
just
give
give
me
an
idea
on
how
many
states
already
have
this
in
place
and
if
you
said
that
I
apologize,
but
I've
missed
that,
but
but
how
many?
So
we
missed
this
opportunity
in
2021
how
many
states
are
ahead
of
us
right
now
on
this
area.
H
So
it's
an
interesting
dynamic
because
there
are
states
and
there's
also
regions
like
there's
a
northwest,
arkansas
chamber
alliance
or
something
that's
actually
offering
their
incentive,
but
there
were
at
least
10
incentives
that
we
found
in
our
research
behind
the
issue
and
sadly
enough
the
day
after
the
veto
was
announced,
west
virginia
passed
their
remote
worker
incentive
to
try
to
leapfrog
us
in
the
in
the
process.
So
I
will
tell
you
there's
at
least
probably
at
this
point
a
dozen
of
these
incentives,
if
not
more
floating
around
out
there
heading
into
session.
D
And
I
do
think
there
was
a
lot
of
misinformation
that
was
circulated
in
those
final
days
that
I'll
I'll
be
happy
to
to
help
get
ahead
of
that
in
in
the
coming
session,
because
I
agree,
we
do
need
this
bill
and
we
need
these
opportunities
available
to
to
to
folks,
as
as
we've
learned,
they
do
help
the
rural
areas
they
bring
in
quite
a
bit
of
financial
benefit
to
areas
in
the
state
that
really
need
that,
and
so
I
appreciate
that
and
it's
good
to
know
at
least
10
incentive
programs
that
you've
identified.
A
Any
other
members
at
this
time
online
that
have
any
questions
or
comments.
We
have
none
at
this
time.
So,
chairman
daniels,
I
appreciate
your
forward
thinking
here,
just
looking
over
the
horizon,
seeing
where
our
economy
is
going,
you
know
capitalism
drives
us
in
these
directions,
and
I
appreciate
your
willingness
to
try
to
get
out
in
front
of
it
and
we'll
try
again
in
2021
to
get
it
across
the
finish
line.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
At
this
time
commissioner
myers
and
got
some
guests,
I
think
they're
going
to
be
coming
to
the
table
with
you
as
well,
is
going
to
be
presenting
to
us
from
the
department
of
parks,
kind
of
testifying
and
talking
about
the
usage
of
our
federal
funds
of
kovid
the
impacts
and
the
financial
attendant
trends
that
we're
seeing
at
this
time.
We're
gonna
turn
it
over
to
you
all.
A
F
We
do
and
while
we're
getting
that
up,
you
know
I
want
to
introduce
our
our
team
here
we
have,
commissioner,
will
adams
have
danielle
jones
and
br
masters
is
with
us
as
well.
I'll
probably
know
br
from
from
over
here
is
our
legislative
liaison.
I
want
to
go
off
script
just
a
minute,
and
you
know
mention
that
I'm
extremely
sorry
for
for
all
of
us
for
our
loss
with
senator
tom
buford
and
our
prayers
go
out
to
his
family.
F
He
was
a
great
friend
of
mine
and
all
of
ours
for
a
long
time
and
that's
a
tough
loss
that
we
all
took
and
be
tough
moving
forward,
but
yeah.
He
left
us
in
a
good
place,
with
a
lot
of
hard
work
for
our
community
in
jasmine,
county
and
and
all
the
communities
that
he
represented
and
really
our
entire
state
so
serving
from
1990
to
to
now
that's
a
that's
a
long
time
and
I'm
proud
of
all
the
work
that
he
did.
F
So
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
senator
and
thank
you
very
much
for
having
us.
We
appreciate
it.
Thank.
F
We
ready
to
go
danielle,
she
got
her
under
control.
Now
all
right
just
want
to
give
you
a
quick
overview
of
you
know
of
our
state
parks,
as
as
we
all
are
extremely
proud
of
what
we
have
here
in
the
history
of
our
state
parks,
and
we
know
you
know,
our
goals
are
to
set
us
up
for
success
for
the
future
and
you
know
make
good
decisions
moving
forward,
and
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
needs.
F
There's
a
lot
of
great
things
going
on
in
our
parks
as
you'll
hear
today,
but
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
things.
We
need
to
address
too,
as
we
all
know,
because
we
we're
all
of
our
communities
are
touched
in
one
way
or
another
by
our
45
state
parks
across
our
state.
So
I'll
get
started
with
the
presentation
now
kentucky
state
parks
are
committed
to
providing
a
sustainable
system
of
parks
that
delivers
quality
programs,
amenities
and
services.
F
Lastly,
our
park
staff
works
to
protect
and
conserve
kentucky's
natural
resources
and
to
be
responsible
stewards
of
the
nation's
finest
state
parks
system.
While
promoting
these
opportunities
to
tourists,
sportsmen
and
sports
women
established
in
1924
kentucky
state
parks
represent
our
state's
commitment
to
preserving
natural
and
historical
sites
throughout
the
commonwealth
for
future
generations
to
visit
and
enjoy.
F
F
F
F
F
The
array
of
services
provided
by
state
parks
created
an
opportunity
for
us
to
provide
necessary
resources
that
position
the
commonwealth
at
an
advantage
for
fighting
the
virus.
Throughout
the
pandemic,
kentucky
state
parks
remained
open
for
outdoor
daytime
use
only
to
allow
kentuckians
access
to
outdoor
recreation.
F
F
Despite
coven
19
this
past
year,
kentucky
experienced
record-breaking
numbers
for
hunting
fishing
golf
and
camping,
creating
much
needed
travel
revenue
kentucky
saw
an
increase
of
travel,
particularly
in
areas
with
access
to
lakes,
camping
hunting
and
therefore,
after
reopening
in
june
last
year,
state
park
campgrounds
occupancy
was
41.9
percent
through
num
november
of
2020,
with
215
056
nights
sold
and
over
6
million
dollars
in
revenue
in
2021
occupancy
is
36
percent.
Despite
closures
of
two
of
our
most
popular
campgrounds
fort
boonsboro
and
green
river
lake,
due
to
flooding
in
fort
boonesboro.
F
F
F
E
E
Most
recently,
this
critical
funding
has
allowed
us
to
enhance
internet
connectivity
at
many
of
our
resort
parks,
including
lake
barkley,
natural
bridge
and
carter
caves
access
points
have
started
to
arrive
for
dale
hollow
and
lake
barkley
and
cot
plans
to
visit
dale
hollow
the
week
of
july
12th.
To
start
configuring
and.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
The
modernization
of
state
parks
will
require
continued
investment
in
general
maintenance
for
across
our
park
system,
including
upgrades
and
repairs
of
signage
pools,
campgrounds
dam
safety
projects,
roads
and
fitness
facilities.
We
will
continue
to
prioritize
projects
based
on
life,
safety,
severity
of
need
and
structural
deficiencies.
E
E
E
Social
media,
marketing
and
promotion
of
state
parks
include
facebook,
instagram,
twitter
and
youtube
this
year.
Our
friends
at
the
department
of
tourism
included
a
picture
of
cumberland
falls
on
the
cover
of
the
official
visitors
guide,
which
serves
as
the
state's
primary
tourism,
advertising
and
promotional
piece.
E
E
E
F
Yeah
I
wanna
I'll
conclude
with
some
positive
news
that
we
have
to
to
to
give
you
all
and
then
I
guess,
we'll
move
into
discussion
and
questions.
F
We
all
know
what
a
treasure
we
have
with
kentucky
with
our
immense
outdoor
beauty
that
can
be
found
at
state
parks
across
our
commonwealth.
Many
of
our
parks
have
have
been
voted
best
in
kentucky
in
including
dale
holla
first
place
for
golf
course.
Green
river
lake
state
park
first
for
camping
spot,
my
old
kentucky
home
was
inducted
into
best
of
kentucky
hall
of
fame
after
being
voted.
F
The
number
one
designation
of
historical
landmark
museum
site
for
three
consecutive
years
as
part
of
the
special
may
edition
dedicated
to
highlighting
the
commonwealth's
nationally
recognized
park
system.
Six
kentucky
state
park
managers
shared
their
favorite
spots
for
safecations
that
families
of
all
ages
can
enjoy.
F
F
The
pro
shop
was
renovated
inside
and
out
with
new
siding
and
landscaping
that
surrounds
the
building.
As
well
as
an
updated
layout
of
the
customer
service
and
merchandising
space
on
the
first
floor,
the
newly
renovated
building
features
offices
and
a
meeting
space
on
the
top
floor
that
is
available
for
rent
the
building
is
also
now
ada
accessible.
F
Prior
to
the
diagnosis,
cullen
was
named
to
the
sec
all-freshman
team
and
ended
his
rookie
season
with
four
top
20
finishes,
while
in
high
school
cullen
was
also
named.
Our
2000
2016
kha
saa
player
of
the
year
for
golf
and
was
a
two-time
runner-up
for
that
honor
in
august
we
will
join
his
family
and
members
of
the
lyon
county
community
to
celebrate
the
impact
of
his
life
on
those
on
and
off
the
course.
F
So,
a
lot
of
things
that
we
have
to
look
forward
to
mr
chairman
and
a
lot
of
positive
things
going
on
we're
working
hard.
We
got
a
great
team,
we're
out
there
in
our
parks.
Seeing
what's
going
on
seeing
the
people
and
doing
our
best
every
day
so
with
that
we'll
take
questions
and
sure
and
and
any
comments.
A
Well,
commissioner,
I
appreciate
your
all's
presentation-
man,
we
are
sure
blessed
here
in
the
commonwealth,
with
some
of
the
most
beautiful
parks
in
the
entire
country
and
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
travel
to
several
different
states
in
the
last
several
years
with
my
kids
and
and
state
parks
are
something
we
always
try
to
stay
at
in
kentucky
still,
in
my
opinion,
outdoes
them
all,
and
so
it's
exciting-
and
I
know
you're
sitting
in
front
of
a
committee
and
most
everybody
in
the
general
assembly
who
who
loves
to
see
our
parks,
be
continually
moving
forward.
A
You
know
we
were
talking
at
the
hallway
a
minute
ago,
just
about
the
amount
of
people
that
you
see,
taking
advantage
of
our
outdoor
facilities
and
camping
and
hiking,
and
you
know
red
river
gorge
and
all
the
different
places
we
have
across
the
state,
and
you
know
something
I
would
love
to
see
us
be
able
to
do.
Is
you
know?
A
I
know
we
have
several
dollars
from
the
federal
government
that
has
flowed
down
to
the
state
to
use
for
different
things,
and
I
would
love
to
see
us
continue
to
try
to
invest
as
a
group
of
people
here
for
the
commonwealth
into
our
parks.
You
know
growing
our
campsites
and
allowing
more
visitors
to
come
during
peak
seasons
and
continue
to
take
care
of
the
thing
the
lord
has
blessed
us
with
here
in
the
states.
So
at
this
time
I'm
going
to
kind
of
open
it
up
if
anybody's
got
comments
or
questions.
A
If
those
who
are
online
have
anything
if
you
can
use
it
through
the
portal
app
would
be
wonderful.
Representative
meyer,
I'm
sorry,
representative,
webber.
D
Commissioner,
thank
you
and
deputy
commissioner
thank
you
and
ms
jones
thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
presenting,
I
would
agree
with
the
chairman.
We
we
do
have
some
great
parks
in
this
state
and
I've
tried
to
visit
haven't
been
to
all
of
them,
but
a
few
years
ago
we
tried
to
to
do
vacations
where
we
were
kind
of
staying
within
the
state
and
taking
advantage
of
the
resources
that
we
had
here
in
staying
at
one
of
the
the
lodges
at
us
at
us
park.
D
D
But
I
do
see
that
need
and-
and
I
would
be
willing
to
say
it's
been
a
while,
since
I've
been
back
to
that
location,
so
it
may
have
changed
and
and
if
it
did
I'm
great
but
but
kind
of
what
are
we
looking
at
in
terms
of
of
our
lodging?
Because
when
folks
come
they
want
to
stay,
they
want
to
be
comfortable,
they
want
internet
access,
you
know
they
look
for
they.
They
want
the
rustic
yet
nice
at
the
same
time.
E
A
great
question:
I'm
glad
you
asked
it
the
I'm
guessing
that
you
stayed
somewhere
prior
to
some
of
the
restoring
the
finest
money.
I
think
if
memory
serves
me
correctly
about
8
million
of
that
bond
allocation
was
dedicated
to
hospitality
upgrades
which
would
be
updating
the
linens,
the
furnishings,
the
decorate,
the
decor.
E
You
know
the
old
floral
bed
linens
are
not
in
vogue
anymore.
People
want
to
see
the
clean
white
triple
sheeted,
so
we
have
implemented
a
lot
of
that.
We
have
not
done
it
across
the
system.
I
know
anecdotally.
E
Some
friends
of
mine
in
the
in
the
insurance
industry
said
they
used
to
host
some
of
their
business
meetings
at
our
state
parks,
but
his
leadership
saw
what
pathetic
condition
they
were
in
and
vowed
never
to
come
back
and
especially
now
coming
out
of
coming
out
of
covid
as
as
group
sales,
and
that
business
travel
segment
that
that
typically
fills
our
our
beds
between
you.
H
E
I
don't
have
an
exact
cost
on
what
that
is
at
this
time,
but
you
know,
as
I
mentioned,
also
the
the
marketing
materials
we
have
to
update
our
images
of
what
our
rooms
look
like
people
get
on,
google
and
tripadvisor,
and
look
at
what
the
rooms
look
like
before
they
book
anything
and
if
we
don't
have
those
materials
to
put
out
there.
E
F
Can
I
add
to
that
to
representative
absolutely
you
mentioned
investment
and
when
we
invest,
we
see
results,
but
also,
on
the
other
hand,
when
we
don't
invest,
we
see
results
and
that's
what
commissioner
adams
is
has
stated
there
and
commissioner
adams
always
says
that
you
know
our
our
parks
were
50
years
old
before
we
went
into
the
recession
and
then
that's
when
we
really
stopped
investing
and
that's
when
they
really
needed
the
investment
the
most.
So
here
we
are
13
years
later
after
the
recession
and
we
are
in
dire
need
of
investment.
D
Would
you
have
time
over
the
course
of
the
summer
to
come
back
to
the
general
assembly
with
with
kind
of
a
more
concrete
number
that,
because
I
approach
it
from
the
standpoint
if
we,
if
we
say
we
need
this
amount
of
money
to
update
the
parks,
that's
kind
of
overwhelming,
for
especially
with
budget
constraints.
But
if,
if
that
number
is
a,
is
a
more
workable
number
to
do,
projects
and
improvements
here
and
maybe
here
down
the
line.
That
may
be
something
that
would
be
more
meaningful
to
the
to
the
general
assembly.
D
And
and
and
would
you
be
in
a
position
to
come
back
later
this
year
with
with
a
figure
that
would
be
a
little
more
in
line
with
what
would
be
needed
taking
in
in
consideration
the
8
million
dollars
in
in
other
upgrades.
E
Absolutely
we
we're
in
the
process
of
working
through
our
capital
needs
list
and
submitting
that
through
capital
planning
oversight,
board
and
and
through
the
governor's
budget
office,
and
that
sort
of
thing
we
do
have
a
more
detailed
list
of
what
we
anticipate
our
needs.
Are
I
just
don't
have
that
in
front
of
me
today,
but
we
could
certainly
get
that
to
you
prior
to
session
as
it
works
through
the
process.
D
D
Have
you
looked
at,
maybe
with
the
lodging
or
food
or
or
some
other
aspect
of
the
park
system
working
with
private
industry
on
a
on
a
collaboration
to
help
has
that
been
looked
at?
Is
that
a
is
that
an
option
that
that
you've
studied?
And
if
so,
I
would
like
to
to
see
some
of
that
research
if
it's
available
sure.
E
We
have
not
dug
down
into
that
a
whole
lot
over
the
past
year
that
we've
been
in
in
these
roles,
with
covid
from
my
prior
service
at
the
in
the
tourism
cabinet.
I'm
aware
of
some
of
those
discussions
having
taken
place.
There
are
a
couple
of
major
hurdles
to
privatization
of
the
lodges,
one
being
that
most
of
our
parks
were
established
with
funding
from
the
land
and
water
conservation
fund,
which
permanently
restricts
the
property
for
outdoor
recreation
and
perpetuity.
E
So
for
private
investors,
that's
a
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
hurdle
for
them
to
agree
to
take
that
on
also
we're
just
where
you
are
in
a
in
a
sector
that
the
private
sector
doesn't
directly
engage
in.
You
know
we
we
operate
at
a
different
level,
we're
more
accessible
to
the
public
than
some
of
the
large
private
resorts,
and
so
the
the
cost
benefit
proposition,
isn't
quite
there
for
the
private
sector.
E
We
have
a
limited
window
of
operations
that
sort
of
thing
there
may
be
some
opportunities
to
explore
in
the
future,
and
we
do
have
private
partners
in
in
some
of
our
operations.
We
have
some
concessionaires
that
operate
our
our
larger
marinas,
some
of
the
food
retail
locations,
snack
shacks
sort
of
sorts
of
things,
but
we
continue
to
look
for
ways
to
to
explore
private
partnerships.
A
I
want
to
follow
up
with
one
of
the
questions
that
representative
weber
had
when
we
talk
about
the
funding
being
the
budget
subcommittee
here
you
know
when
we
talk
about
economic
development
and
tourism
and
in
the
environment
I
mean
the
parks
touch
all
three
of
those
and
and
so
something
we'd
like
to
do
and
I'll
say
from
the
senate
side
we're
going
to
really
dive
in
deeper
with
these
budget
subcommittees
to
try
to
get
into
the
details
of
some
of
these
budgets,
and
so
one
of
the
things.
A
I
would
like
to
request
back
from
you
all
before
going
into
the
next
session.
If
you
guys
can
start
to
look
at
some
of
those
improvements,
repairs
and
and
even
categorize
them
from
you
know,
a
must
need
to
kind
of
a
wish
list.
A
I
guess
you
could
say,
and
and
maybe
we'll
have
a
another
30
minute
presentation
towards
the
end
of
the
year-
to
kind
of
go
over
that
in
some
details,
because
we
all
know
that
the
economic
development
that
comes
from
people
coming
to
the
state
and
the
people
inside
of
the
state
that
utilize
our
parks
and
so
if
we
can
invest
into
our
future
and
get
a
return
on
our
investment.
That's
sure
what
we
want
to
do
so
do
we
have
any
other
questions
representative
go
ahead.
C
In
my
previous
employment
several
years
ago,
working
30
years
with
fish
and
wildlife
traveled
to
the
state
extensively
and
have
been
to
just
about
every
state
park
there
is,
and
at
at
that
time
they
were
the
I
mean
they
were
just
the
facilities
was
beautiful.
I
mean
you
couldn't
find
a
better
motel
anywhere
in
those
communities
to
stay
in,
but
they
have
deteriorated.
C
We
all
know
that
we
realize
that,
but
I
am,
I
am
glad
to
see
funding
that
is
with
improvements
and
one
just
specifically
in
my
district,
I
think
maybe
the
best
one
of
the
best
in
the
state
a
great
treasure
natural
bridge
state
park.
C
Of
course
we
have
the
gorge
area
there
as
well,
but
there
have
been
several
improvements
on
natural
bridge
state
park
over
the
last
few
years,
which
is
which-
and
I
don't
know
the
numbers
you
probably
do-
but
it
is,
I
think
it's
greatly
increased
the
room,
people
staying
there
in
the
room
numbers
visiting
the
park
and
and
something
that
was-
and
I
don't
I
don't
mean
to
pit
one
administration
against
another,
but
even
going
back
just
just
improvements
on
access
to
the
park.
C
There
was
a
road
that
was
going
into
natural
bridge.
It
was
just
it
was
a
one
lane
road.
Basically,
the
bridge
had
fell
apart,
that
through
the
department
of
transportation
and
some
help
there
and
that
greatly
increased
people
come
into
this
one,
certain
area
of
that
of
that
natural
bridge
park.
So,
unlike
the
others,
other
people
that
have
made
statements
here,
our
investments
in
these
parks
are
going
to
pay
off.
C
They
certainly
are
going
to
pay
off,
and-
and
I
I'm
like
the
chairman-
I
think-
from
both
of
the
senate
and
the
house
side,
we
certainly
need
to
look
for
as
much
monies
as
we
can
possibly
find
to
invest
in
these,
because
they
are
really
treasures
in
this
state,
and
I
think
they
have
a
great
economic
impact.
C
If,
if
we
can
improve
them,
we
know
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
improve
them
all
at
one
time,
but
I
think
every
every
dollar
that
we
can
invest
in
there
would
be
would
be
a
great
economic
boom
to
our
to
our
state
and
then
just
one
other
question.
Commissioner,
did
you
say
there's
13
of
these
parks
that
have
golf
courses.
Was
that
correct
on
that?
Is
that
what
you
said.
C
And-
and
I
know
that
the
golf
industry
I
love
to
play
golf-
I
don't
get
to
play
a
lot,
but
I
know
the
golf
industry
as
a
whole
is
even
struggling.
It's
been
struggling
for
20
years.
C
How
much
do
we
really
invest
in
spend
on
our
golf
courses
at
these
state
parks
is
and-
and
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
people
comes
to
these
state
parks
to
play
golf
and
there's
some
really
nice
courses
on
some
of
them.
I
played
a
lot
of
them,
but
is
that
something
that
we
really
need
to
continue
to
look
at
or
could
we
maybe
utilize
monies
in
in
a
better
area.
F
Well,
our
golf
courses,
all
of
them,
are
revenue
generators
and
when
we
in
this
representative
weber
nailed
it
earlier,
you
know
when
we
invest,
we
see
results
and
when
we
don't,
we
see
results,
and
you
know
some
of
our
top
golf
courses
are
now.
You
know
20
years
old,
you
know
built
in
the
early
2000s
and
you
know
they
are
elite,
golf
courses,
and
when
you
go
to
them,
you
will
see
that
we
we're
in
a
process
a
slow
process
of
redoing
sand
traps.
You
know
some
of
these
golf
courses.
F
They
they're
really
built
with
too
many
sand
traps
on
them.
I
mean
60
to
90
sand
traps
on
them.
I
mean
that's,
that's
a
lot
of
sand
traps
to
take
care
of
it's
a
lot
of
it
maintenance,
it's
a
lot
of
expense,
but
it
is
a
look
on
the
golf
course
and
and
to
get
that
returned
customer,
you
know
you
have
to
have
them
in
good
shape,
especially
a
a
an
upper-level
golf
course,
but
we
have
golf
courses
at
at
all
levels.
You
know
to
to
you.
H
F
Accommodate
you
know
a
golfer,
you
know
at
any
level
and-
and
you
know
at
any
price
point
so
you
know
we
have
to
continue
to
reinvest
in
our
golf
courses.
You
you
know,
it's
a
is
in
a
lot
of
it's
the
things
you
don't
see,
you
don't
see
irrigation,
you
know
and
and
what
you
need
to
invest
in
that
you
know
you.
H
F
E
F
Refurb,
you
know
just
just
upgrade,
I
mean
we've
got
when
we
were
down
at
kdv
earlier
in
the
year,
and
I
you
don't
see
this
at
a
lot
of
golf
courses.
They
go
out
and
they
stick
quick
couplers
in
the
ground
to
water,
their
fairways.
F
I
mean
that's
high
maintenance
to
do
that.
That
upgrade
has
to
be
made
and
that
you
know
could
be
somewhere
in
you
know:
half
a
million
dollar
range,
so
you
know
to
keep
our
golf
courses
and
our
revenue
generators
going.
You
know,
and-
and
you
know
when
you,
when
you
talk
about
parks,
it's
quality
of
life-
it's
it's.
F
You
know
the
representation
of
our
state,
it's
a
tool
in
the
toolbox
for
for
the
communities
that
that
have
the
parks
to
you
know,
for
attractions
for
for
businesses
and
and
to
bring
economic
development
into
our
state
and,
to
you
know,
tell
a
company
of
you
know:
50
employees
come
in
or
500
employees
coming
look.
This
is
what
we
have
in
our
community,
and
this
is
what
you
know.
We
can
bring
to
your
people
and
we've
got
the
workforce,
but
we've
got
these
golf
courses.
F
We've
got
these
lodges,
we've
got
these
parks
and
we
have
to
continue
to
reinvest
and
I'm
I'm
really
excited
about
this
discussion
that
we're
having-
and
I
know,
commissioner
adams
and
in
danielle
and
br
we've
been
talking
this
for
the
last
eight
months.
I
mean
you
know,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
things
out
there
in
our
parks,
they're
not
ribbon,
cutting
type
type
deals,
they're
things
that
you
don't
see
that
we
have
to
have
to
do.
F
I
mean
who
would
have
known
that
that
we
would
have
had
to
close
jenny
wiley
the
the
main
lodge
area
there,
but
it
had
an
infrastructure
failure
and
and
a
safety.
You
know,
precaution
that
we
had
to
go
in
and
close
it,
and
you
know
it's
about
a
million
and
a
half
half
dollar
project
to
bring
it
back
up
and
and
get
it
open
back
up.
But
you
know
I'm
just
really
excited
about
this
discussion
that
we're
willing
to
to
discuss
and
look
at
and
bring
to
the
table.
E
And
if
I
can
jump
in
on
the
golf
question
in
particular
coming
into
this
role
just
over
a
year
ago,
frankly,
I
was
a
little
bit
skeptical
of
our
investment
in
golf
courses.
Our
cost
per
dollar
of
revenue
was
in
the
mid
two
dollar
range,
meaning
we
were
heavily
heavily
subsidizing
each
round
of
golf.
E
You
know
golf
course
costs
about
the
same
to
to
operate
regardless
of
how
many
players
you
have
on
the
course
well
with
the
surge
related
to
covid,
but
I
think
it's
here
to
stay
much
like
some
of
the
increase
in
camping
we've
seen
our
costs
are,
are
now
getting
down
close
to
a
dollar.
You
know
we're
in
the
low
to
mid
dollar
per
cost
of
dollar
revenue
range,
and
I
think
included
in
that
is
our
high
personnel
cost.
You
know,
obviously,
with
us
making
the
pension
contribution
payments
for
for
our
employees.
E
It
it
greatly
increases
our
cost
of
of
people.
So,
like
commissioner,
was
saying,
with
with
our
bunkers,
requiring
lots
of
maintenance,
we're
making
smart
investments
when
we
go
in
and
redo
the
bunkers
we're
putting
in
a
new
type
of
liner.
That
requires
a
whole
lot:
less
maintenance,
we're
converting
our
greens
and
our
tea
boxes
to
grass
species
that
take
less
fertilizer,
less
watering.
E
F
E
You
take
the
course
away
and
that
tourism
impact
is
going
to
dry
up.
You
know
your
dale
hollows,
your
kentucky
dam
village,
lake
barkley,
mineral
mounds.
You
know
those
are
real
drivers
for
those
communities
and
we
have
a
couple
of
courses
in
eastern
kentucky
that
I
think
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
marketing
and
making
those
a
driver
for
those
communities
as
well.
C
Can
I
just
real
quickly-
and
I
know
that
on
the
on
golf
courses
and
I've
talked
to
several
owners
of
golf
courses
and
they
they
always
share
with
me?
Well,
we
have
to
have
x
amount
of
rounds.
We
have
to
have
this.
Many
thousands
of
rounds
played
just
to
break.
Even
do
you
have
a
number
like?
Is
there
a
number
you
have
on
that.
E
We
don't
have
the
break-even
number,
I
can
we
just
you'll
notice.
One
of
our
slides
was
inaccurate
because
we
were
scrambling
to
get
information
as
the
fiscal
year
was
concluding.
Our
number
of
rounds
played
was
up
81
this
year,
81,
and
that
has
made
a
going
into
our
budgeting
process
for
this
next
fiscal
year.
E
I've
spent
nearly
the
whole
last
month
meeting
with
park
managers
and
planning
their
budget
for
the
next
year
and
that
that
increase
in
golf
revenue
has
really
enabled
them
to
to
make
decisions
to
better
their
park
to
operate
it
more
efficiently,
because
that
81
difference
their
costs
haven't
changed.
That's
all
just
padded
revenue
that
they
can
then
reinvest
in
their
hospitality
and
their
dining
facilities.
Those
sorts
of
you
know
improvements
that
these
parks
need
and
have.
C
C
D
C
Are
a
great,
they
are
a
great
tool
here
in
our
state
here.
Thank
you,
commission.
F
And
I'll
add
representative
also,
you
know
when,
when
the
planning
to
to
to
build
a
lot
of
these
golf
courses
was,
was
put
in
play,
you
know
it
they,
they
were
put
there
as
a
tool
for
that
community
to
to
be
able
to
promote-
and
you
know,
bring
economic
development
to
their
communities.
So
you
know
it's
with
a
lot
of
these
golf
courses.
They
are
off
the
beaten
path.
They're,
not
you
know
they
were
not
put
in
in
places.
F
You
know
their
destination
destination
courses,
so
you
know
ones
that
have
good
locations
are
going
to
produce
more
rounds.
Obviously
one's
off
the
beaten
path.
You
know
we've
got
to
to
draw
them
in
and
and
and
and
attract
them
in
so
they've
got
to
be
in
great
shape,
so
you
know
we're
still
striving
to
to
get
them
to
break
even
and
we're
doing
a
good
job
of
that.
Our
team
out
there
is
doing
a
fantastic
job
of
that,
but
but
we
have
to
reinvest
to
have
that
opportunity.
So
thank
you.
A
A
A
E
A
B
Ahead,
thank
you.
If
you'll
indulge
me
actually,
I
have
a
few
questions.
Follow
up
to
the
chairman's
comment
about
federal
money.
Did
I
understand
correctly
that
you
said
there
were
some
federal
funds
that
were
sent
to
different
states
for
tourism
and
we
didn't
get
any
and
if
I
understood
correctly,
why
why
didn't
kentucky
get
any
of
those
funds.
F
B
Any
anybody
who
wants
to
answer
okay,
it
makes
no
difference
to
me.
I
consider
that
they're
all
in
agreement
and
can
answer
whatever
question
that
they
think
so.
Okay,
chairman,
but
alright,
guys.
E
I'm
happy
to
answer
that.
My
point
was
not
that
the
commonwealth
did
not
receive
those
federal
funds.
The
department
of
parks
did
not
receive
those
the
department
of
tourism
did,
they
would
be
better
positioned.
I
don't
know
danielle
if
you
have
five
million.
I
think.
E
E
We,
as
the
department
of
parks
were
not
but
kentucky
was.
The
department
of
tourism
has
two
pools
of
5
million
and
2.8
million.
If
I'm
not
mistaken
that
they
will
be
using
okay.
B
Tag
teaming
to
representative
webb's,
weber's
questions
and,
and
the
questions
and
comments,
and
the
chairman's
when
you
can
you
put
together
when
you're
working
on
your
budget
request,
can
you
put
down
the
time
you
know
the
specifics
of
where
the
money
is
going
to
go
and
the
timeline
before
it
is.
The
work
is
completed.
E
You
know
our
ability
to
to
say
specifically
what
each
project
will
cost
and
what
its
time
on
would
be
with
the
uncertainty
of
of
what
funding
we
may
get
is
a
guess,
but
we
will
we
will
do
our
best
to
to
limit
or
to
specify
that
in
our
in
our
budget
request.
B
Yeah,
well
any
you
know,
any
timeline
or
budget
request
is
always
a
guess,
based
on
the
facts
that
you
have
at
your
hands
at
the
time,
I'm
specifically
interested
in
broadband
access
at
all
the
state
parks
and
ada
access
at
all
the
state
parks.
I
would
really
like
to
see
if
you
could
provide
it
what
the
cost
estimate
is
and
the
timeline
to
get
both
of
those
completed,
especially
in
as
quick
a
fashion
as
possible.
Can
you
do
that
for
us.
E
Yes,
sir,
absolutely-
and
I
will
note
that
we
we
are
pretty
far
along
with
broadband,
with
the
restoring
the
finest
money,
quite
a
bit
of
that
was
earmarked
for
for
broadband
capacity,
and
we
were
able
to
with
a
couple
of
different
funding
sources.
Some
of
the
kentucky
wired
projects
going
on
loop,
some
of
those
in
and
also
the
private
sector,
is,
is
providing
much
more
broadband
access
across
the
state,
whether
because
of
kentucky
wired
or
other
reasons,
but
we're
we're
finding
more
opportunities
to
connect
to
those
at
our
parks.
E
We
are
you
know.
Ada
is
certainly
something
we
need
to
improve
and
we're
required
to
do
so
whenever
we
undertake
a
project.
But
you
know
we
would
like
to
expand
those
opportunities
so
that
we're
accessible
for
the
entire
population
of
the
commonwealth
and
and
the
visitors
to
it
as
well.
B
I
I
understand
what
you
said
about
moving
forward
with
broadband,
but
maybe
you
and
I
have
a
different
perspective
on
how
quickly
that
is
happening.
Getting
getting
to
golf.
B
Do
you
since
we're
losing
money
every
time,
as
I
understand
it,
and
I'm
counting
on
you
to
correct
me.
If
that's
a
misunderstanding
in
my
on
my
part,
has
there
been
any
consideration
to
shutting
down
a
few
of
those
golf
courses?
I
know
we've
shut
down
some
of
the
past,
but
some
of
the
ones
that
were
maybe
in
remote
areas
where
you're
not
pulling
a
lot
of
people.
B
You
know
my
my
guess
is,
and
it's
only
a
guess
that
if
you
closed
some
of
those
you're
not
going
to
dramatically
affect
the
people
who
are
coming
to
the
park
anyway,
because
if
the
golf
courses
are
as
remote
and
as
poor
as
I
took
you
to
say,
it
seems
to
me
that
it
wouldn't
have
a
dramatic
effect
on
the
tourism
to
those
state
parks
anyway,
because
those
people
are
going
for
a
specific
reason
other
than
doll.
B
If
you
disagree
with
me,
fine
tell
me,
but
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
ever
took
a
look
at
that
and
any
of
the
money
that's
going
to
golf
courses,
maybe
just
working
on
the
ones
where
it
really
draws.
People.
F
Point
taken
on
your
on
your
question
representative
and
understand
that
wholeheartedly
as
I've.
I
spent
14
years
of
my
life
in
the
golf
business
and
know
how
hard
it
is
to
operate
one
in
the
black,
because
a
high
percentage
of
golf
courses
out
there
are
operating
in
the
red.
Not
only
you.
H
F
Parks
golf
courses,
but
you
know
golf
courses
in
general
out
there
and
it's
a
struggle,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
people
that
that
make
them
work,
have
all
the
money
in
the
world,
and
you
know
it's
kind
of
their
their
little
hobby
or
it's
a
country
club
and
they
can
send
an
assessment
out
to
their
members.
And
you
know
public
golf
is
not
easy.
I
believe
we
have
closed
down
most
of
the
nine
hole
courses.
I
believe
we
have
one
now
that
is
open.
F
John
james
audubon
is
is
still
open,
but,
as
I
said
you
could
take,
you
know
an
elite
golf
course
that
you
know
cost
several
million
dollars
to
to
build
that
was
put
in
a
place.
You
know,
arthur
hills
is
your
designer
of
that
golf
course,
and
it
was
put
in
a
place
that
that
you.
C
F
In
a
hard
to
get
remote
area,
but
they
built
that
golf
course
as
as
a
draw
to
that
community
to
promote.
So
I
don't
know
that
you
can
put
a
number
on
on
the
economic
impact
in
a
community
that
that
golf
course
or
that
asset
to
that
community
can
can
hold
there.
So
you
know
there's
a
lot
to
be
discussed
in
in
that
equation
for
for
for
any
any
of
the
golf
courses
out
there.
F
But
you
know,
commissioner
adams,
you
know
stated
golf
is
up
and-
and
I
firmly
have
a
good
feel
that
it's
back
and
it's
back
to
back
to
stay,
and
you
know
we
we've
been
through
a
downturn,
since
probably
you
know
the
2004
to
2006
six
years
and
it's
been
on
a
downturn
since,
but
but
golf
is
on
an
uptick,
so
you
know
it's
how
what
we
do
and
how
we
invest
in
our
golf
courses
to
set
them
up
for
success
for
the
future
too.
F
So
I
think
we
have
to
discuss
that
that
part
of
it
too,
and
and
that's
what
you
know,
I'm
sure
we're
we're
going
to
be
getting
into
at
a
later
part.
This
year
and
that's
that's,
why
I'm
so
excited
about
this
discussion,
but
you
know
you
we
have
to
you
know
you
have
to
always
take
your
question
as
as
closure
and
and
discuss
it,
but
you
know,
on
the
other
end,
there's
a
big
uptick
and
and
a
lot
of
opportunity
out
there.
So
I
really
don't.
F
Personally,
I
don't
see
any
of
the
golf
courses
that
we
have
in
our
state
right
now
in
the
discussion,
foreclosure.
E
H
F
E
B
I
I
understand
that
I'm
just
concerned
that
we're
not
like
some
of
the
private
golf
courses
that
were
mentioned
where
we
have
all
the
money
in
the
world.
B
We
have
a
very
small
portion
of
the
money
in
the
world
and
we
have
to
spend
it
wisely,
not
only
on
you
know,
economic
development,
tourism
etc,
but
I
think
we
have
to
be
very
focused
on
what
is
the
economic
impact
and
when,
when
we
as
the
legislature
are
asked
for
money,
we're
always
given
well,
this
is
the
economic
impact
to
the
local
community,
etc.
B
Now,
as
a
side
note,
I
think
all
those
estimates
are
always
overrated,
but
I
I
really
do
believe
that
we
have
to
take
a
hard,
critical
look
and
if
the
golf
course
as
an
example
or
if
whatever
it
is,
I'm
not
trying
to
pick
on
golf
courses
per
se
but
whatever
it
is,
that
is
costing
more
than
we're
getting
out
of
it.
I
think
we,
you
know,
for
the
best
interest
of
the
taxpayers
of
the
state.
B
We
in
the
commonwealth
need
to
take
that
in
consideration,
and
you
can't
you
can't
simply
reinvest
throw
bad
money
after
good.
So
I'm
concerned
that
all
the
requests
for
money
that
we
get
is
really
we're
doing
thing
and
not
just
from
you
all,
but
we're
doing
things
that
is
really
not
in
the
best
financial
interest
of
the
commonwealth.
So
thank
you
for
your
responses.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
indulging
me
with
my
few
questions.
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
at
this
time
I
think
that
sums
up
our
questions
and
and
comments,
and
I
really
appreciate
you
all
coming
and
presenting
today,
it's
exciting
to
see
what
we're
doing
here
at
our
parks
and
hopefully
continue
to
do
more
members.
The
next
meeting
will
be
august,
the
4th
on
wednesday
at
9
00
a.m.
Chairman
beckler
will
be
chairing
that
meeting
and
we
look
forward
to
seeing
everybody
back.