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A
Welcome
everyone
meeting
number
five
of
them
term,
meeting
on
licensing
occupation
and
administrative
regulations.
We
have
a
full
agenda,
so
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
started.
I
want
to
remind
all
the
members
that,
after
directly
after
the
meeting,
we're
going
to
have
a
delicious
lunch
sponsored
by
the
kentucky
distillers
association
which
will
be
down
at
their
office
and
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
have
a
big
turnout,
so
there's
extra
parking
across
the
street
at
the
vfw
hall,
senator
neil-
are
you
on
yet.
B
A
A
A
Thank
you
at
this
time.
I
want
to
observe
a
moment
of
silence
for
bryce,
ann
bergey's,
father
bryce.
I
think
you're
in
the
room
here
are
you
here:
bryce
yeah
there
you
are
and
we
adopted
a
memorial
resolution,
the
last
committee
meeting,
but
he
has
lost
his
father
and
many
many
of
us
have
been
through
that
and
we
know
what
it's
like,
and
our
thoughts
and
prayers
are
with
you
and
we'll
have
a
moment
of
silence.
A
Thank
you.
Our
first
item
we'll
take
today
will
be
number
five
on
the
agenda.
The
department
of
housing
building
and
construction
update
our
friend
commissioner
rick
rand,
former
state
representative,
former
committee,
chair
and
now,
commissioner,
is
with
us.
Welcome
to
this
committee,
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
G
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
The
as
you
all
all
of
you
all
know,
I'm
sure
the
department
of
housing
building
construction,
we're
primarily
responsible
for
inspections
and
licensing
for
the
trades
electrical
plumbing
building
code
enforcement,
those
type
of
things
we
do
everything
I
like
to
tell
people
from
approving
hot
water,
heater
installation
in
homes
to
plan
review
on
projects,
just
like
the
one
we'll
do
in
hardin
county
with
the
ford
motor
company
coming
up
things
as
complex
as
that.
G
G
I
guess
we
could
call
it
bill
that
will
help
us
re-establish
advisory
boards,
currently
we're
working
with
one
advisory
board
that
that
meets
quarterly,
that
we
talk
to
about
any
regulation,
change
any
fee
change,
any
any
changes
that
we
may
have
and
get
advice
from
them.
We
have
received
communication
over
the
past
year
and
actually
put
out
what
can
we
do?
G
Better
and
most
of
the
organizations
that
we
work
with
the
home
builders-
the
you
know,
kentucky
association
of
contractors,
labor
groups,
architects,
engineers
said
we
would
like
the
advisory
boards
to
go
back
similar
the
way
they
had
been
in
the
past,
where
we
had
trade
specific
advisory
boards.
We
had
a
plumbing
advisory
board,
an
electrical
advisory
board,
a
building
code
enforcement
advisory
board,
and
so,
as
you
can
see
in
your
handout,
we
would
like
to
go
back
to
that.
G
We
think
it
is
helpful
for
us
and
we
know
the
industries
prefer
that,
because
it
gives
them
a
little
more
ability
to
weigh
in
on
regulations
that
we
may
have
in
effect
or
contemplate
changing
if
we're
having
fee
changes.
Things
like
that,
and
it
helps
us
build
consensus
with
key
industry
groups
and
trade
groups
around
the
state
that
affect
all
of
us.
G
So
we
are
probably-
and
we
intend,
during
this
session,
to
bring
a
bill
that
will
take
us
back
to
those
advisory
boards
and
you
can
see
from
the
handout
the
ones
we
would
the
number
of
people
that
would
be
on
there.
You
know,
obviously
they
would
follow
along
the
lines
of
most
advisory
boards.
They
would
be
organizations
would
recommend
names
to
the
governor
governor,
make
appointments.
They
would
serve
for
three
years,
anything
that
we
do
over
there
in
terms
of
regulations.
Fee
changes
that
sort
of
thing
has
to
go
through
our
advisory
boards.
G
It
they
we
have
to
get
their
consent
to
before.
We
start
the
process
and
and
bring
the
process
over
to
you
all,
so
that
that
is
our
intention
for
being
here
today,
mr
chair,
because
I
know
you
like
any
legislation
that
may
become
before
your
committee
during
the
session
to
be
vetted
in
the
interim,
and
that
is
our
I.
C
Senator
thayer,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
have
a
comment
because
yesterday
I
was
very
hard
on
administration
officials
who
testified
via
zoom,
and
I
just
want
to
give
commissioner
rand
and
his
colleagues
credit
for
showing
up
in
person
today.
Frankly,
I
think
it
should
be
the
policy
of
the
entire
general
assembly
that,
if
you're
going
to
testify
in
front
of
a
committee,
you
should
do
it
in
person.
C
A
I
G
G
I
G
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
commissioner
rand.
I
I
don't
know
if
any
of
the
other
members
have
have
contacted
your
department
for
for
help
and
we
do
need
help
from
time
to
time.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
being
available
and
and
always
conscientious
about
the
requests,
and
I
appreciate
that
on
on
the
going
to
the
separate
boards.
K
You
know
we
just
want
to
make
sure
you
know
that
they're
they're
industry
friendly
or
for
the
for
the
building
industry
that
we
don't
over
regulate,
and
so
you
know,
there's
there's
always
that
concern
when
you
do
administrative
regs
and
I'm
I'm
sure,
you're
aware
of
that
that
you
don't
want
to
get
a
lot
of
pushback
from
from
the
industry.
We
want
to
want
to
be
safe
and
want
to
be
regulated,
but
not
over,
regulate
it.
So.
G
And
you're
exactly
right
and
that's
one
reason:
we
like
the
the
the
specific
the
trade
specific
advisory
boards,
because
it
really
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
have
people
there
that
are
interested
in
a
particular
regulation
to
help
us,
because
we
want
to
build
consensus.
We
don't
want
to
come
over
here
to
bring
a
reg
before
the
the
legislature
and
there
be
conflict.
K
One
other
comment,
mr
chairman:
you
know
you
may,
and
you
know
what
we
like
is
for
the
building
industry
to
be
regulated,
but
not
our
phone
ringing
off
the
hook
about
over-regulation
and
somebody
complained
about
what
are
these
guys
thinking
or
what?
What
are
they
doing
to
us
so
and-
and
I
think
you
understand
that
it
regulate
them,
but
don't
over
regulate
them.
Thank
you
exactly.
H
H
G
Well
and
you're
right
right
now:
the
advisory
board,
the
members
get
a
50
per
meeting
per
diem
plus
their
expenses.
So
you
know
they're
going
to
be
more
people.
We
expect
it
to
be
an
additional
cost
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
six
to
seven
thousand
dollars,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
than
that,
depending
on
the
expenses
for
people
to
drive
up,
maybe
stay
the
night
for
a
meeting,
and
you
know
they'll
be
more
out
of
our
budgets.
G
J
G
You
know
when
you
know,
and
I'm
happy
to
take
calls
from
anybody
about
projects
in
your
area
that
you
get
calls
on.
I
know
senator
higdon
has
and
representative
meredith
have,
and
I'm
always
happy
to
that's
part
of
what
I
do
is
try
to.
You
know
be
the
person
that,
if
there's
an
issue
going
on
in
your
district
with
a
specific
project
or
a
specific
issue
that
involves
us,
I
I
welcome
any
phone
calls.
B
G
H
G
Comment
is
we
well
and
I'll
answer
this
this
way
you
know
in
2008,
and
I
chaired
the
appropriations
and
revenue
committee,
then
here
in
the
house,
many
state
agencies
were
were
hollowed
out
during
that
time
and
for
good
reason.
We
just
didn't,
have
the
money
and
and
we're
experiencing
some
of
that
in
housing,
building
and
construction,
where
people
left
through
attrition,
we
haven't
been
able
to
backfill
those
positions
and
the
economy
economy's
booming.
G
I
mean
we
are
experiencing
a
heavy
workload
because
of
the
economy
and
when
things
like
the
ford
plant
in
hardin
county,
that's
just
in
the
spin-offs
that
will
come
from
that.
So
to
answer
your
question,
yes,
we
probably
do
need
more
people
there
to
be
able
to
just
keep
up
in
certain
areas,
not
all
areas,
but
some
areas
to
to
be
able
to
maintain
a
level
of
service
that
that
industries
expect.
A
L
L
They
are
visiting
the
capitol
as
part
of
the
educational
process,
have
taken
a
tour
this
morning
and
they
wanted
to
sit
in
and
see
how
a
committee
is
run
so
so
fortunate
to
have
the
lno
committee
meeting
this
morning
and
that
they're
having
the
ability
to
experience
that
so
hello
to
mrs
davis
and
to
to
ella.
And
thank
you
so
much.
Mr
chairman,
for
this
courtesy.
A
You're
very
welcome
ella.
If
you
would
like
to
come
up
here
and
sit
with
the
committee
we'd
like
to
extend
that
invitation
to
you,
I
think
there's
one
seat
left
up
here.
We
sure
could
use
your
help
come
on
up
here
here.
We
here
she
comes
and
she's
got
a
folder,
so
guys
you
better
sharpen
your
pencils.
L
A
Okay,
let's
moving
along
on
our
agenda.
The
next
item-
we're
going
to
have
is
an
act
relating
to
welding
safety.
This
is
not
a
topic
I'm
familiar
with
this
committee.
I
want
to
ask
my
good
friend,
representative
bobby
mccool,
to
come
forward
and
all
the
people.
It's
one
big,
happy
family
here
that
are
involved
in
this.
I
see
brian
miller
back
there.
We're
gonna
have
the
people
that
are
for
and
against
all
come
forward
together.
A
A
Yes,
sir,
I
am
okay.
Thank
you,
derek
okay,
now
so
yeah,
okay,
we're
getting
the
bashful
people
coming
up
now.
Okay,
here
we
go
okay,
okay
or
if
you're
here
in
support
of
this
bill
raise
your
hand
okay,
so
we
got
four
four
again,
four,
four,
two
against
okay,
well
bobby.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
patience
on
this
bill.
We've
been
at
this
for
a
long
time,
so
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
your
guests
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
M
M
Thank
you
again,
mr
chairman,
and
for
allowing
this
opportunity
and
members
of
this
committee.
Certainly,
we
have
codes
in
our
daily
life
on
everything,
from
asc
for
automotive,
for
electrical
codes.
Plumbing
codes
continues
on
and
on
and
on
and
this
that's
what
this
is
about.
This
is
about
following
a
code
book
and
if
you
haven't
ever
seen
one
I
thought
I'd
bring
a
visual
today.
This
is
this.
Is
the
one
we're
talking
about
today.
This
is
a
d
1.1
code
book
from
american
welding
society.
M
This
this
these
code
books
are
for
any
code
or
for
safety
for
the
individual
and
property.
That's
why
you
need
to
follow
those
this
bill
will
also
level
the
plan
playing
ground
for
those
who
are
contractors
and
and
interested
in
applying
in
a
bid
on
jobs,
because
that
way,
if
everybody
follows
the
same
rules
as
design
as
as
the
engineer
puts
out,
then
everybody
has
equal
access
to
the
bits
or
on
the
left
on
the
level
on
the
playground.
M
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
It's
it's
simple.
It's
only
asking
you
to
follow
what
the
design
engineer
puts
forth
when
the
design
engineer
is
asking
you
to
follow
the
d11
code
book
from
the
american
wellness
society,
there's
a
reason
for
that.
It's
safety
and
it
references
this
this
safety
book,
because
there's
been
years
and
years
and
years
of
practice
to
ensure
that
the
procedures
and
quality
is
embedded
in
the
process.
M
M
A
D
D
We
have
seven
aws
accredited
facilities
in
kentucky.
We
have
412
cwis
that
will
come
to
your
place
of
business.
They
will
come
to
your
job
site.
They
will
come
to
wherever
you
ask
them
to
come
to
and
do
the
testing
in
you
at
your
facility
at
your
convenience,
so
the
employers
don't
have
to
travel
anywhere.
Tim
here
is
one
of
those
people
that
will
come
and
do
those
tests.
Yes,
so
that
will
save
the
contractors
money
actually
so
keep
in
mind
412
cwi's
across
the
state
of
kentucky
that
will
go
anywhere.
D
The
training
facility,
it
was
commented
that
this
was
going
to
increase
the
cost
at
training
facilities.
They
would
have
to
have
to
upgrade
and
become
an
aws
facility
completely
false.
You
can
take
your
training
anywhere.
You
want
whether
it
be
hobart
ffa
in
the
garage
with
your
dad.
It
does
not
matter
where
you
take
your
training.
This
does
not
affect
training
facilities.
D
Again,
this
is
a
safety
bill.
It's
not
a
union
non-union
issue.
We've
had
paducah
school
collapse,
we've
had
another
school
collapse:
blackbird
school
bad
welding
caused
the
school
to
collapse,
blue
grass,
festival
or
bluegrass
festival.
Bluegrass
army
depot,
4
000
deficient
welds
that
had
to
be
redone.
Uk
university
was
caught
using
falsified
papers.
D
If
this
legislation
was
in
place,
we
wouldn't
be
wasting
taxpayers
and
insurance
money
the
case
of
patuken
kentucky.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
this:
the
contractor
got
paid
for
putting
the
steel
up
it
blew
down
because
of
fake
weld
papers,
bad
welds
he
got
paid
for
taking
the
bad
still
up,
got
paid
for
putting
the
new
still
up.
He
got
convicted
of
insurance
fraud
and
went
out
of
business.
A
B
Of
course
there
is,
but
you
know
when
you
compare
that
to
a
child
getting
killed,
maybe
by
a
faulty
well
where
it
causes
a
roof
to
fall
or
a
bus
load
of
kids
going
across
a
bridge.
You
know
goes
into
the
river.
I
mean
these
are
the
types
of
things
that
have
happened,
because
folks
don't
do
what
they're
supposed
to
do.
A
B
And
also
we've
talked
about
workforce
development.
I
mean
I
just
got
out
of
an
economic
development
committee
meeting
where
the
chamber
did
a
very
extensive
presentation
on
workforce
development
talking
about
how
we
can
make
more
educated
and
that's
a
create
a
superior
workforce.
I
think
that
bobby's
bill
goes
hand
in
hand
with
that.
B
A
He
is
a
good
man.
Thank
you,
senator.
I
think
we
would
all
agree
with
that.
We
have
some
folks
here
now
that
want
to
speak
in
opposition
to
the
bill,
and
what
I
like
to
do
is
get
some
short
testing
testimony
from
them
and
then
maybe
we
can
have
some
back
and
forth
and
that's
why
I
wanted
everyone
here.
A
Together
we
have
brian
miller,
we
have
shad
slatto
and
we
have
derek
clemons
and
you
mentioned
matt
caslen,
and
I
think
I
talked
to
him
yesterday
and
he
did
tell
me
he
opposes
this
bill,
but
the,
but
so
whoever
wants
to
start
off
go
ahead
and
start
identify
yourself.
No,
you
can
stay
there,
identify
yourselves
for
the
record
gentlemen
and
please
proceed
hello.
N
N
A
I
don't
know
whether-
and
I
want
you
to
tell
me
whether
it's
accurate
or
not,
and
I'm
going
to
ask
the
same
question
to
the
other
people
that
value
about
this
is
a
safety
issue
that
this
is
causing
welding
accidents.
Please
address
that.
I
think
that's
what
everyone
on
this
panel
is
concerned
about.
N
The
the
engineers
documents
that
we
have
to
follow
for
each
each
job
already
make
make
these
things
that
we're
talking
about
a
requirement.
So
you
know
our
our
view
is
that
it's
it's
it's
redundant,
the
the
rules
already
exist
and
if
people
are
going
to
violate
those
rules,
you
know
they're
they're
going
to
violate
them,
whether
they're
coded
here
in
a
in
a
bill
or
not.
But
I
would,
I
would
say
that
that's
just
the
gist
of
it,
it
would
be.
N
A
N
N
A
Thank
you,
brian
miller
is
here
he
drove
down
from
northern
kentucky
and
he's
testified
on
this
bill
numerous
times,
probably
four
or
five
times
over
the
years
and
he's
here
again
today,
brian
introduce
yourself
for
the
record,
grab
your
microphone
there
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
Maybe
we'll
have
some
questions.
Yeah.
O
O
We
have
operated
the
enzyme
building
institute
since
1967
and
have
a
long
trek,
successful
track
history
of
educating
trades
professionals
for
over
50
years,
part
of
the
courses
that
we
teach
are
in
welding
and
we
have
what
we
believe
are
some
of
the
best
privately
employed
welders
teaching
as
our
instructors
in
our
institute
and
have
done
so
for
years.
Producing
welders
for
what's
most
important,
is
good
employers
who
can
employ
these
people.
O
You
and
I
first
off,
want
to
stop,
and
I
want
to
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
ladies
and
gentlemen,
the
community
for
allowing
us
to
testify
today
and
especially
in
person,
it's
been
a
long
time.
It
kind
of
reminds
me
of
an
old
boston
song.
We
along
would
would
agree
a
lot
with
mr
clemen's
testimony
the
fact
that
this
really
does
not
address
welding
safety.
Nobody
in
an
industry
wants
to
see
buses
of
school
children
meet
their
demise
or
structures
fall
down.
O
Nothing
in
this
bill
would
stop
false
filing
of
false
certifications.
Those
are
things
that
happen
out
outside
of
the
purview
of
the
language
of
this
of
this
of
this
bill.
Mr
slutto
will
also
testify
today
some
more
details,
but
from
a
broad
rush
standpoint.
Mr
chairman,
we
believe
that,
just
like
other
regulated
portions
of
the
construction
industry,
be
the
residential,
commercial
or
industrial
that
good
inspections
result
in
qualified
structures.
B
O
Hold
up
and
have
good
performance,
so
inspections
in
our
area
are
conducted
by
professional
inspectors
across
our
region
and
other
regions
of
the
state,
and
we
believe
that
good
partnerships
with
with
qualified
inspectors
result
in
a
good
work
product,
not
filing
not
simply
filing
paperwork
and
creating
work
for
folks.
That,
quite
frankly,
are
already
inundated
with
a
paperwork
nightmare
and
a
maze
that
they
have
to
trans
that
they
had
to
transgress
on
a
daily
daily
basis.
Thank.
P
Yeah,
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
I'm
sorry.
I
cannot
be
in
person
I'm
on
my
own
personal
time
here
doing
this.
I
work
for
a
company
that
builds
buildings.
I've
done
that
for
25
years
in
the
state
of
kentucky
as
a
employer
and
a
builder
we're
more
responsible
for
the
safety
of
a
building
than
any
certified
welder
is,
and
I
will
tell
you
that
this
bill
has
nothing
to
do
with
safety
of
buildings.
P
It
actually
could
make
buildings
less
safe
and
I'll
explain
why.
First
of
all
certification
does
not
equal
capability
capability
of
welders
is
measured
by
a
continuity
log
that
has
to
be
updated
every
six
months.
Certifications
have
to
be
updated
every
six
months.
If
we
have
to
ask
our
welders
to
be
certified
by
a
third
party
independent
out
of
california
every
six
months,
they
have
to
submit
a
fee
and
their
wealth
continuity
log
to
demonstrate
that
the
continuity
log
is
not
signed
by
a
certified
welding
instructor.
P
It's
typically
signed
by
a
supervisor
who
can
be
a
certified
welding
instructor
and
often
is.
I
will
say
that
also
these
welding
certifications
are
not
portable.
There
are
no
employers
in
the
state
or
in
the
country,
including
unions,
who
will
accept
a
third
party
certification
from
any
other
entity
other
than
their
own
personal
test.
At
the
time
a
welder
is
employed.
I
can
tell
you
that
we've
had
multiple
and
I
worked
for
a
fabricator
director
for
20
years.
We
had
multiple
people
come
to
us
with
certifications
that
were
useless.
P
They
could
not
pass
our
tests,
they
were
not
employed,
the
employer
is
responsible
for
safety
and
their
employer
employer
is
responsible
for
the
quality
of
welds.
I
will
also
say
that
what
is
required
for
certification
through
the
american
welding
society,
although
we'd
love
to
understand
that
we
could
have
these
random
tests
done
in
various
areas.
P
I
will
also
say
that
the
requirements
of
d11
which
are
mentioned
before
and
would
love
to
be
able
to
say
they're
just
for
public
buildings
or
they're,
just
for
bridges
apply
to
every
structural
member
that
any
engineer
or
for
that
matter,
architect
would
choose
to
include
in
the
specifications
as
stated:
that's
a
building
code.
We
live
the
building
codes
every
day
every
builder
has
to
build
through
the
code
require
a
licensure
or
certification
that
is
requirement
in
those
d11.
P
Specs
need
1.1,
and
I
apologize
for
speaking
so
fast,
but
the
reality
is
is
that
those
can
apply
to
railings
stairs
mechanical
equipment
structures.
It
doesn't
apply
just
to
this
joist
deck
and
structural
columns
that
hold
up
a
roof
or
or
a
mezzanine
or
a
second
floor
and
reality
is.
Is
we
want
those
to
be
as
safe
as
anyone?
No
one
wants
more
safety
than
us
and
ultimately
the
builder
and
just
developers
are
responsible.
Therefore,
if
you
want
root
troop
safety,
you
have
to
employ
a
third
party
inspector
in
the
districts.
P
I
work
in
okay,
the
areas
I
work
in
the
municipalities
that
I
work
under
for
building
permits
require
third-party
safety
or
inspections,
and
I
will
say
that
I've
talked
to
many
inspectors,
not
myself
included.
Fortunately,
I've
not
had
the
misfortune
or
tragedy
of
having
a
building
collapsed
or
any
structural
members
for
that
matter,
but
I
will
say
that
talking
to
inspectors
who
are
responsible
for
forensic
audits,
including
the
the
collapse
of
a
mezzanine
in
cincinnati,
was
not
due
to
faulty
welds.
It
was
due
to
construction
methods
and
sequence.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
representative
mccool.
I
have
the
utmost
respect
for
you.
Obviously
you
are
a
a
great
member
of
this
general
assembly
and
appreciate
what
you're
doing
the
one
thing
that
I
would
have
a
little
bit
of
concern
with
in
this
is.
It
seems
to
me
that
the
bill
puts
a
great
great
deal
of
vesting
in
the
opinion
of
the
engineer
solely
and
takes
away
the
opinion
of
the
actual
practitioner
in
a
situation
like
this
and
I'm
going
to
take
that
down
a
path
for
just
a
moment.
H
This
is
how
it's
going
to
be
done,
and
so
they
had
no
choice.
The
supervisor
and
my
grandfather
built
or
did
the
did
the
work
as
they
were
told
to
do
the
next
morning
they
came
in
and
that
entire
portion
of
the
road
where
they
had
done
the
work
was
flooded
and
it
was
exactly
what
the
supervisor
and
the
practitioner
in
that
situation
knew
should
have
been
done
correctly.
But
the
engineer
expected
the
wrong
way,
and
so
I
would
ask
that
question
is
what
is
the?
H
M
Thank
you
representative.
That's
certainly
a
good,
a
good
comment,
and
I
appreciate
that
what
I
would
say
with
this.
The
engineer
doesn't
necessarily
have
all
the
the
welding
skills
of
the
person
on
the
job.
They
probably
don't,
but
they
have
a
tremendous
background
in
engineering,
so
they
know
about
the
strengths
and
the
weaknesses
and
the
loads
and
those
kind
of
and
where
to
apply
it
and
they
reference
a
the
d11
in
this
case
or
the
d
1.5.
I
should
have
mentioned
that
as
well.
F
Representative,
nicole,
this
appears
to
be
the
same
language
from
your
house
bill
24
during
the
21
session.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
sir?
All
right,
I
just
want
to,
if
I
can,
mr
chairman,
just
like
compliment
representative
mccool
for
staying
on
this
issue
and
co-sponsored
this
bill,
be
glad
to
co-sponsor
for
the
22
session
and
would
like
to
comment
that
this
bill
did
pass
the
house
93
to
zero
and
and
to
me
it
is
a
safety
bill,
and
I
would
encourage
fellow
members
to
support
this
bill.
C
C
So
this
is
this:
is
one
of
these
situations
that
we
often
get
in
this
committee,
where
we're
asked
to
mediate
between
two
sides
that
are
made
up
of
people.
We
like
on
both
sides,
and
this
bill
is
kind
of
like
groundhog
day,
because
every
year
it
flies
through
the
house
98
to
nothing,
and
then
senator
caslin
comes
to
me
with
his
hair
on
fire
and
all
my
friends
from
northern
kentucky
who
are
opposed
to
this.
C
C
So
is
there
any
way
that
you
all
can
get
together
and
work
out
some
sort
of
compromise
with
senator
caslin
and
the
folks
who
my
friend,
brian
miller
and
chad
sledo
represent
to
get
a
bill
that
that
we
could
consider,
because
I
I
don't
see
that
anything
has
changed
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
That
would
that
would
engender
the
kind
of
support
necessary
to
bring
this
bill
to
the
floor
for
a
vote
in
the
senate.
C
M
Senator
thank
you.
I
certainly
would
love
to
have
that
opportunity
and-
and
I
have
driven
to
northern
kentucky-
to
to
meet
with
chad
and
talk
to
him,
but
I
think
it
needs
more
in-depth
conversation
and
we
need
to
see
if
we,
where
can
we
cross,
you
know
across
his
barriers
and
and
get
beyond
where
we're
at
today,
everybody's
interested,
you
know,
even
even
the
opposition
to
this
bill
was
still
about
safety.
C
Thank
you,
and
I
know
these
guys
who
spoke
in
opposition,
and
you
know
to
some
of
the
best
people
I
know,
and
they
care
about
safety
as
much
as
you
do
and
senator
caslin
is
he's
in
this
industry
and
has
to
worry
about
safety
every
day
with
his
company
down
in
owensboro
and
bowling
green
and
wherever
his
empire
is
spreading
to
these
days.
So
it's
just
going
to
be
very
hard
for
us
to
pass
the
bill
over
the
vigorous
opposition
of
one
of
our
members.
C
A
D
D
I
think
this
bill
is
getting
convoluted
with
a
lot
of
information.
It's
a
very
simple
bill
when
the
job
specs
say
it
requires
aws,
certified
welders.
We
would
like
those
welders
to
go
to
an
aws
facility
or
have
an
inspector
come
to
their
facility
and
get
tested
under
their
rules
where
they're
witnessed
the
plates
get
stamped
we're
trying
to
do
away
with
these
fake
certifications.
Thank
you.
You
have
the
last
word.
A
A
And
I
want
to
say
a
minute
a
few
words
about
powerpoint
presentations.
So
there's
no
misunderstanding:
there's
been
a
rumor
flying
around
the
annex
that
I
don't
allow
powerpoints,
and
that
is
not
exactly
true.
We
do
allow
powerpoints
as
long
as
they
are
tailored
to
the
presentation
and
the
presenter
seeks
permission
to
use
the
powerpoint
and
our
distinguished
chris
stone
has
punched
all
those
holes.
A
The
power
points
that
we
don't
like
are
the
ones
that
people
pull
out
of
file
cabinets
that
are
two
and
three
years
old
dust
them
off
and
come
running
in
here
and
read
them
to
us
for
about
30
minutes.
Those
are
the
ones
that
we
don't
like.
So
welcome.
Introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
J
R
R
J
And
we
wanted
to
pause
for
just
a
moment
and
say
thank
you
especially
to
this
committee
and
all
the
members
on
this
committee,
as
our
industry
has
grown,
especially
over
the
past
few
years.
You
guys
have
gone
above
and
beyond
to
assist
our
industry
in
passing
legislation
that
allows
us
to
grow
and
as
we're
going
to
show
today
that
the
boom
is
doing
very
well.
J
Our
production
numbers
are
up
we're
up
436
percent
in
production,
which
is
fantastic,
but
our
industry
does
face
unprecedented
challenges
and
that's
what
we
wanted
to
kind
of
set
the
table
today
and
provide
some
context
to
our
legislative
agenda.
The
industry
in
kentucky
is
facing
exorbitant
taxes.
We
have
a
trade
and
tariff
war,
that's
going
on
with
with
our
counterparts
overseas.
R
We
understand
that
there
is
often
some
sentiment
of
alcohol
fatigue
up
here
and
in
frankfurt,
but
we
just
for
us
to
continue
to
grow
and
meet
our
consumer
demands.
We
need
permissive
language
from
you
all,
and
so
we
will
continue
to
be
here,
probably
until
your
new
member
ella
is
actually
elected
and
casting
votes
on
this
committee.
Making
asks
of
you
to
help
us
continue
to
grow
and
meet
those
consumer
demands.
J
So
the
backdrop
of
what
we're
what
we're
facing
today
is:
there
are
almost
2
300
distilleries
now
around
the
united
states,
when
eric
was
hired
to
lead
the
association
and
and
when
sarah
and
I
joined
that
effort,
there
were
six
distilleries
that
we
represented
in
kentucky.
There
were
basically
six
distillers
in
all
of
kentucky.
J
Now
there
are
2
300
around
the
country,
and
this
map
shows
that
they're
all
over
the
place
and
if
you'll
see
there
are
bigger
numbers
in
other
states,
whether
it's
203
in
california
or
128
in
texas-
and
I
think
this
quote
kind
of
sums
up
kentucky's
situation
today,
and
this
is
from
an
popular
online
site,
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
it
for
a
second
that
it
reads.
This
is
from
two
weeks
ago:
bourbon
feels
intrinsically
connected
to
kentucky.
J
95
of
the
juice
is
made
here,
but
bourbon
does
not
have
to
come
from
kentucky
when
it
comes
to
rules
about
location.
The
only
one
that
matters
is
what's
made
in
the
u.s
and
with
bourbon
booming
barriers
to
entry
decreasing
and
craft
is
still
is
thriving
that
95
numbers
starting
to
drop
as
bourbon
distillers
pop
up
nationwide.
J
J
J
So
we
are
falling
behind
as
a
state
in
terms
of
lowering
barriers
to
entry
for
this
industry.
We
want
these
craft
distillers
to
come
to
kentucky
to
locate
here,
but,
as
you
can
see
on
this
slide,
the
number
of
distilleries
have
grown
146
percent
in
just
five
years.
Ten
states
now
have
more
just
distilleries
than
we
do.
J
They
all
have
lower
taxes
and,
as
you
can
see,
lots
of
other
privileges
that
other
states
are
giving
their
distilleries
to
lure
them
to
go
to
their
state,
but
perhaps
the
biggest
key
indicator,
and
and
when
we
talk
about
stats
and
numbers,
is
this
slide
alone?
Just
a
little
more
than
10
years
ago,
43
of
the
distilling
jobs
were
in
kentucky
around
the
united
states.
We
had
43
percent
of
the
industry
here
in
kentucky
today
we
as
we
sit
here.
We
have
30
percent
a
very
drastic
decline.
R
So
what
are
the
needs
for
fairly
simple
things
that
we're
here
to
ask
about
today?
The
first
one
would
be
to
eliminate
the
discriminatory
barrel
tax.
The
second
one
is
to
reduce
the
distillery
industry's
overall
tax
burden
to
keep
us
competitive
with
those
other
states.
The
third
is
to
remove
regulatory
obstacles,
and
the
fourth
would
be
to
provide
parody
with
beer
and
wine.
J
So
the
barrel
tax
credit-
I
think
most
of
you
are
probably
familiar
with
that
in
2014.
The
general
assembly
made
the
policy
decision
to
allow
us
a
refund
on
those
barrel,
taxes
that
we
pay
and
it
is
a
tax
credit
against
the
corporate
taxes
that
that
we
pay
the
bourbon
barrel
tax
reinvestment
credit,
and
we
take
that
money.
That's
that
we
get
back
and
reinvest
it
in
our
industries.
However,
our
industry
has
grown
so
much.
We
have
outpaced
that
credit
and
we
basically
don't
get
a
chance
to
realize
it
or
monetize
it.
J
This
is
the
only
jurisdiction
kentucky
in
the
world
that
charges
a
tax
on
it
aging
spirit
that
is
in
our
warehouses.
So
obviously,
a
big
issue
is
that
we're
asking
for
refundability
of
our
barrel
tax
credits,
and
we
think
in
asking
for
that
we
can
show
the
return
on
investment,
and
this
slide
does
does
just
that.
In
a
little
more
than
10
years,
we
have
increased
the
amount
of
tax
revenues
we
paid
to
the
commonwealth
from
125
million
dollars
in
2010.
J
It
has
increased
to
more
than
300
million
dollars
today
and
that
number
we
will
have
updated
with
an
updated
economic
development
study
that's
coming
later
on
this
year,
but
that's
a
hundred
and
forty
percent
increase.
175
million
dollars
is
what
we've
poured
in
to
state
government
over
just
a
ten
year.
Pan
a
10
year
span,
so
we're
asking
for
a
return
of
33
million
dollars
of
that
in
order
to
reinvest
it
in
our
signature
industry
and
so
as
to
not
penalize
production,
and
we
do
think
that
is
a
return
on
investment.
R
The
first
question
about
a
private
barrel
selection
is
what
is
it
so?
This
is
a
unique
and
authentic
opportunity
that
is
available
today
to
liquor
stores,
restaurants,
a
chef
individuals
where
you
can
go
and
sample
barrels
and
pick
and
purchase
and
have
bottled
those
for
you.
So
you
have
a
unique
experience.
This
is
the
future
of
the
industry.
This
is
what
consumers
are
demanding.
R
If
you
walk
into
a
liquor
store
now
in
northern
kentucky,
you
probably
see
that
they
have
picked
their
barrel
of
new
riff
and
they're
selling
it
to
their
consumers
who
come
in
this
is
what
people
want
they
want.
They
want
to
feel
like
they're
taking
home,
something
special
they
can
share
with
their
family
and
friends
that
you
can't
get
everywhere.
R
It
has
come
to
our
attention
from
the
abc
that
that
this
is
something
that's
operating
in
a
gray
area
and,
as
we
talked
about
earlier,
our
statutes
are
permissive,
and
so
they
have
asked
us
to
partner
and
work
with
you
all
and
make
sure
that
we
codify
this
practice
so
that
it
can
continue
to
grow
in
the
future,
and
we
can
offer
this
to
more
consumers.
As
opportunities.
J
J
When
you,
ultimately
somebody
or
an
entity
purchases
that
barrel
it's
anywhere
from
150
to
225
bottles
and
so
the
technicality
of
of
exempting
those
two
things
in
the
statute.
But
the
the
other
crux
of
this
is
the
sales
transaction
that
occurs
around
the
private
barrel.
Select
and
our
distilleries
have
worked
long
and
hard
and
decided
that
they
want
to
be
able
to
have
the
ability
to
sell
that
private
barrel
out
of
their
visitor
gift
shop.
J
Mean
that
it
would
not
go
through
the
three-tier
transaction,
and
so
that's
that's
the
big
issue
there,
but
it
doesn't
mandate
that
that
sale
occur
in
that
manner.
It
simply
gives
it
an
option.
So
we
allow
three
different
options
for
the
sale
of
that
private
barrel.
It
can
go
through
the
three-tier
system,
the
way
it
does
today
to
the
wholesaler
to
a
retailer,
and
then
you
go
pick
it
up
from
the
liquor
store
or
it
could
be
direct
shipped
under
representative
koenig's
house
bill
415
from
the
last
two
sessions.
J
If
the
other
state
was
a
reciprocal
state,
it
could
be
direct,
shipped
and
shipped
via
ups
or
lastly,
it
could
be
sold
out
of
our
distillery
gift
shop
and
the
consumer
in
that
case,
could
take
it
home
with
them
that
day
and
the
vision
is
when
you
go
to
do
a
private
barrel.
Select
it's
not
a
15-minute
exercise.
You
spend
an
hour
or
two
sampling
different
barrels
to
decide
which
one
you
want
to
pick
so
the
vision
is,
you
would
do
that.
J
You
would
then
go
have
lunch
on
the
distillery
grounds,
while
that
barrel
is
being
dumped
and
prepared.
You'd.
Come
back
and
be
able
to
participate
in
the
bottling
of
that
and
be
able
to
help
put
the
labels
on
and
then
it
would
be
packaged
and
then
you'd
be
able
to
to
take
it
home
or
take
it
back
to
your
restaurant.
Take
it
back
to
your
wherever
you're
going
with
it.
J
It
really
drives
tourism
when
people
come
in
from
around
the
state
and
around
the
country
and
they
walk
into
our
distilleries.
They
want
something
unique
that
they
can't
get
at
home
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
offer
that
to
them.
That's
not
to
the
exclusion
of
putting
that
bottle
out
in
the
marketplace,
because
we
have
to
have
our
partners
in
the
wholesale
tier
and
in
the
retail
tier,
to
help
get
our
product
to
all
corners
of
the
globe.
J
J
J
Very
beginning,
yes,
he
wished
he
could
be
here
to
present
this.
So
the
is
the
satellite
tasting
rooms,
so
it
kind
of
has
a
as
two
visions
that
we
would
like
to
do
so.
Take
nb
rolling
distillery
down
in
hopkinsville
in
western
kentucky,
one
of
our
very
first
craft
members,
they're
13
miles
out
into
the
county
with
their
facility.
They
have
a
fair
amount
of
land
and
they've
been
producing
bourbon
for
a
good
deal
of
time.
J
The
city
of
hopkinsville
wants
them
to
open
up
a
place
in
the
downtown
proper
area,
because
they're
trying
to
develop
their
downtown
district,
they
have
a
restaurant.
They
actually
have
a
brewery
there,
but
they're
trying
to
develop
that
critical
mass,
not
from
nine
to
five
during
the
day,
but
in
the
evening
hours
to
bring
back
life
to
the
town
and
the
town
square
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff.
J
So
they
want
mb,
rolling
and
m
mb
roland
wants
to
be
able
to
locate
in
downtown
hopkinsville,
but
if
we
require
them
to
build
a
still
in
downtown
and
everything
that
comes
with
it,
it's
just
it's
cost
prohibitive.
This
is
a
family
distillery
run
by
husband
and
wife,
so
they
have
that
opportunity
and
that's
they've,
come
to
us
and
say
we
want
to
be
able
to
do
a
satellite
tasting
room
and
be
able
to
offer
the
samples
sell.
J
The
bottles
potentially
do
drink
sales
and
everything
else
to
complement
what
happens
in
these
small
town
communities
and
the
the
ironic
thing
is,
he
already
is
proceeding
with
opening
a
satellite
tasting
room
in
arizona
and
because
that
state
allows
him
everything
I
just
discussed
and
there
they
want
him
to
come
there
because
there's
they
don't
have
the
limits
on
bottle
sales
and
they
don't
not
requiring
him
to
build
the
still
and
everything
else.
So
he
would
like
to
be
able
to
do
that
in
his
own
state.
J
And
if
somebody
liked
it
to
be
able
to
buy
a
bottle
of
bourbon
and
potentially
be
able
to
do
a
cocktail
there
or
something
else
all
within
the
town
square.
And
he
envisions
because
of
bardstown's
epicenter,
that
maybe
every
distillery
in
the
state
would
want
to
have
a
storefront.
Much
like
napa
does
in
the
city
of
napa
and
in
healdsburg
in
sonoma
county.
That's
what
those
look
like!
J
I
just
came
back
from
there
this
past
weekend
on
a
little
bit
of
a
of
an
expedition
to
learn
what
it
was
all
about
and
they
have
tasting
rooms
all
over
the
place
and
they're
very
popular.
They
work.
Well,
with
their
restaurants,
their
retail,
their
boutiques
and
everything
else.
So
that
is
a
huge
piece
of
this
legislation.
There
are
a
few
other,
smaller
parts
that
are
privileges
that
we're
asking
for
parity
with
beer
and
wine
ons
craft
beer
that
have
these
privileges
in
kentucky
that
we
don't
have.
J
But
again
it
lowers
the
barrier
to
entry
so
that
these
2
000
distilleries
2200
that
are
in
other
states
would
want
to
come
here,
because
we
will
allow
them
to
do
this
as
a
small
business
as
they
get
up
and
going
and
that's
to
be
able
to
sell
bottles
at
fairs
and
festivals.
Make
sure
farmers
markets
are
an
opportunity
that,
if
they
invite
us
that
we
can
get
a
special
license
and
go
offer
our
product
there
and
then
barrel-aged
cocktails.
J
That
want
to
do
this.
That
technically,
is
illegal,
because
it's
not
being
dispensed
from
its
original
container
and
original
containers
can
be
no
longer
no
larger
than
a
1.75
ounce.
So
this
just
defines
a
barrel-aged
or
batched
cocktail
and
allows
a
bar
to
do
that,
serve
it
from
behind
the
bar
and
serve
it
to
a
patron,
and
then
there
is
a
provision.
J
That's
been
out
there
in
the
senate
a
couple
of
times
last
two
sessions
last
provision
creating
a
limited
non-quota
package
license:
it's
not
a
high
priority
for
the
kda
itself,
but
representative
mccoy
wanted
to
have
that
in
the
bill
and
that's
to
allow
a
hotel
or
restaurant
or
bar
if
they
do
a
private
barrel
package
that
they
can
sell.
That
package
buy
the
bottle
from
their
bar.
So
if
somebody
takes
a
drink
of
it
says
wow,
that's
really
good.
I'd
like
to
buy
a
whole
bottle,
so
I
can
take
it
home.
J
It
gives
them
that
privilege
to
do
so.
There
are
some
areas
that
no
longer
have
quotas
for
that
restaurant
to
get
a
package
license
in
order
to
sell
that
bottle.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
a
quota
issue,
senator
higdon
that
you're
very
familiar
with
it,
so
it
does
create
a
very
limited
non-quota
package
license
for
the
sale
of
a
private
barrel,
select
or
an
antique
spirit,
only
no
other
products.
M
A
B
B
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
if
you
have
four
needs
of
the
industry
that
you're
going
to
be
presenting
to
the
22
session.
What
exactly
what
form
are
those
going
to
take?
Are
you
all
going
to
have
an
individual
tax
bill?
Are
you
going
to
have
the
parity
bill
kind
of
explain
what
your
architecture
is
for
moving
forward.
J
A
And
I
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt
too,
but
I
think
I
might
you
know
the
there
has
been
some
conversation
about
this.
Madame
senator
adams
and
but
I
think
your
leadership,
you
guys
are
kind
of
getting
together
with
them
as
far
as
that
and
how
they're
going
to
do
that.
How
are
you
going
to
break
that
up.
D
J
A
E
You
know
I
have
older
would
get
older.
I
get
in
my
old
navy
friends.
They
always
want
to
come
here
and
you
know
what
they
want
to
do
when
they
come
and
I'm
talking
like
five
or
six
in
the
last
two
years.
They
want
to
go,
see
a
distillery
and
it's
one
of
them's,
just
obsessed
with
it
and
I'm
happy
to
quit
answering
his
calls.
But
would
you
say
that
this
bill
are
these
bills,
whatever
form
they
take
is
more
attracting
new
distilleries
or
just
keeping
the
ones
we
have
here?
Q
Yes,
sir
great
question
it
would
be
both
the
distilleries
that
are
here
certainly
would
enjoy
these
privileges
and
be
able
to
expand
their
tourism
centers
of
that
5.1
billion
dollars
in
investment.
A
lot
of
that
is
tourism
right
now
and
expanding
production,
and,
as
chris
mentioned
other
states
right
now,
are
changing
their
laws
and
adapting
very
quickly
allowing
unlimited
bottle
sales
and
private
barrel
selections-
and
things
like
this.
Q
E
Well
as
much
as
I
just
complained
about
them
wanting
to
come
here,
I
want
them
to
keep
wanting
to
come
here
because
it
burns
me.
When
I
see
a,
I
think
there
was
a
west
virginia
bourbon
or
something
and
it's
like
man-
that's
not
bourbon,
that's
whiskey,
so
we
want
to
keep
the
kentucky
thing
going,
but
you
know
we
have
a
film
tax
credits
and
I
see
stephanie
in
the
back.
She
she
used
to
bug
everybody
about
that
all
the
time.
But
is
you
know
that?
Is
you
know
you?
E
You
know
you
like
in
georgia,
you
have
a
lot
of
tv
and
movie
shows
going
there
and,
like
that's
the
new
hollywood,
and
I
don't
want
kentucky
to
be
the
new
hollywood,
but
I
do
want
them
to
be
the
hollywood
of
bourbon
and
you
think
this
is.
Are
you
familiar
with
that
tax
credit
we
give
the
film
is
this
like
that,
so.
J
J
Necessarily,
we
think
once
the
tax
code
progresses
in
the
next
couple
of
sessions
and
if
you
all
look
at
school
funding,
because
our
barrel
taxes
are
embedded
in
some
school
funding
that
that
we
can
be
backed
out
of
that
type
of
calculation
and
once
that's
done
to
keep
our
local
communities
whole,
then
really
what's
happening
are
barrels
that
are
10
million
barrels
that
are
in
warehouses.
Right
now
are
part
of
the
production
process,
but
the
state
right
now
the
way
the
statutes
are
written.
J
Doesn't
I
doesn't
recognize
that
we
are
part
of
the
production
process
and
so
thus
it's
being
taxed,
we
want
to
say
it's
part
of
the
production
process.
It
is
not
a
finished
good
and
you
all
only
taxed
finished
goods
once
they've
gotten
there
so
kind
of
a
convoluted
way
of
saying
we
can
fix
it
properly.
So
that
you're
not
taxing
us
during
the
manufacturing
process
and
then,
lastly,
to
your
comments
about
your
buddies
that
want
to
come,
we
don't
want
them
to
start
calling
somebody
in
texas
saying
hey,
we
want
to.
J
E
A
A
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
will
only
ask
one
question
and
that
is
so
rather
than
going
into
the
future
of
the
three-tier
system,
which,
every
time
you
come,
it
kind
of
attacks
that
I
guess
would
there
be
limits
on
a
bar
restaurant
retailer
consumer
of
how
many
barrels
they
can
buy.
I
mean:
is
this
unlimited?
J
J
J
J
J
C
C
I've
by
the
way
to
the
comment
from
representative
bratcher
under
the
united
states
federal
law,
bourbon
does
not
have
to
be
made
in
kentucky.
It
should
be,
but
other
people
recognize
the
the
runway,
the
huge
runway
ahead
for
bourbon
and
they're,
making
it
and
I've
seen
it
firsthand.
I
was
in
denver
last
month
at
a
place
that
has
a
bottled
and
bond
warehouse
and
they're
serving
four-year-old
bottled
and
bond
bourbon,
and
they
say
that
the
you
know
the
the
mile
high
air.
B
B
B
C
The
leader
and
people
are
going
to
try
to
take
shots
at
that's
exactly
right.
Here's
my
question
for
you
and
I'm
not
sure
I
agree
with
the
abc's
interpretation,
and
you
know
why
now
barrel
selects
have
been
going
on
for
years.
That's
correct
through
multiple
administrations,
multiple
administrators
there
at
abc,
so
I'm
I'm
questioning
their
opinion
on
that
and
the
timing.
And
why?
But
that's
a
topic
that
we
might
have
to
drag
them
before
this
committee
to
ask?
But
let's
say
we
don't
pass
a
law
clarifying
this.
C
Q
They've
made
it
clear
to
us
and
we're
appreciative
that
we
have
a
grace
period
until
the
end
of
the
session
to
get
a
fix
on
this.
And
let
me
be
clear
that
they're
not
standing
in
the
way
of
us
getting
that
fixed.
They
actually
want
to
work
with
us
to
make
sure
that
it
is
grounded
in
statute
and
and
available
and
done
legally
in
the
right
way.
C
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
and
thank
you
all
for
your
presentation.
You
know
there's
10
million
barrels
of
bourbon
stored
in
kentucky
and
I'm
proud
to
say
that
half
of
them
are
stored
in
my
district.
Very
proud
of
that
fact.
That's
right!
It's
true
used
to
be
when,
before
the
ad
valorem
tax,
you
know
there
was
about
four
million
barrels
so
with
the
with
that
tax
or
that
credit
in
place
the
bourbon
industry
has
boomed.
K
K
Just
a
different
word
for
it:
yes,
okay!
Well,
I'm!
I
guess
I'm
splitting
hairs.
Okay,
that
answers
that
question,
but
so
again
it's
it's
exploded.
The
bourbon
industry
has
and
if
we
eliminate
it
or
make
it
fully
refundable,
that's
part
of
the
what
has
spurred
the
bourbon
industry
is
because
to
get
that
money
back,
you
got
to
invest
it
right.
So
what
do
you
see
in
your
crystal
ball
will
happen
to
investment
in
kentucky
if
we
completely
eliminate
that
tax.
Q
Well,
you're
going
to
have
33
million
dollars
immediately,
going
back
into
facilities,
constructions
and
new
jobs
created
you're,
exactly
right.
This
general
assembly,
thankfully,
in
2014,
set
us
on
this
path
with
the
bourbon
barrel,
tax,
reinvestment
credit
and
again
we
volunteered
as
an
industry
to
take
that
money
and
reinvest
that
back
in
our
facilities
and
look
how
the
explosions
got.
I
mean
we're
now
over
10
million
barrels
for
the
first
time
in
kentucky's
history.
Q
K
Come
correct
one
one
final
thing,
mr
chairman,
the
like,
I
said,
I'm
I'm
a
supporter
of
the
bourbon
industry
and
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
protected
and
and
continues
to
grow,
but
I'm
also
a
believer
in
the
three-tier
system
and-
and
you
know
we're
we
nibble
around
the
edges
every
session
on
that.
So
just
want
to
make
that
comment.
Thank
you.
A
B
And
a
lot
of
pieces
to
this
and
a
lot
of
questions,
I'm
sure
we'll
be
entertaining
these
questions
as
we
move
along
and
I'll.
Just
reiterate.
My
colleague
here
senator
who
just
talked
about
the
three-tier
system.
Actually
both
of
them
did
and
obviously
the
other
two
are
going
to
feel
like
they're,
losing
selling
opportunities
as
well.
So.
B
B
Question
for
you
specifically,
I
know
one
of
the
the
struggles
that
your
industry
has
had
is
with
this
tariffs,
especially
in
the
european
markets,
and
it
kind
of
blew
up
in
the
last
administration.
Do
you
see
any
change
there
or
what
is
your
viewing
in
the
future
crystal
ball?
I
know
it's
crystal
balling.
B
Q
Anxious
this
hair
keeps
getting
grayer
every
year.
This
goes
on.
We
still
have
a
25
tariff
in
the
eu
in
the
uk,
and
that
is
set
to
double
on
december
first
and
if
that
becomes,
we've
lost
over
200
to
300
million
dollars
in
exports.
The
eu
used
to
be
our
largest
export
market.
Now,
it's
second
or
third,
and
if
you
double
that
it's
gonna
be
a
crippling
blow
to
the
industry
and
will
effectively
drop
many
of
our
distillers
out
of
the
european
market.
Q
A
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
you
are
welcome.
Before
we
adjourn,
I
would
like
to
remind
the
members
that
the
kentucky
distillers
association
will
be
hosting
a
luncheon
directly
after
the
meeting
at
their
new
offices
at
100
capitol
avenue,
and
we
hope
that
you
can
attend.
There's
additional
parking
available
at
the
vfw
hall
across
the
street.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
on
thursday
november
18th
at
11
a.m.
In
this
same
room
without
objection,
we
stand
adjourned.