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Senator
carroll,
no
response
senator
caslin.
Thank
you.
Senator
gibbons,
no
response,
senator
kerr,
no
response,
senator
mcgarvey,
no
response,
senator
meredith,
president
of
the
room.
Thank
you
senator
nemes,
president
in
the
room.
Thank
you.
Senator
webb,
no
response,
senator
west
president
in
the
room.
Thank
you,
representative.
Beckler,
no
response,
representative
bentley.
B
B
C
B
A
A
A
Senator
namaste.
I
think
it
was
representative
hale
all
right,
very
well,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
like
sign
nice.
Have
it
minutes
from
october.
6Th
meeting
are
approved
all
right.
First
up,
we
have
testimony
from
math
nation.
If
senator
thayer
would
like
to
come
on
up
and
give
a
brief
introduction,
and
then
we
will
get
to
rolling.
E
Originally
senator
wise
was
going
to
be
here
today,
but
he
had
something
come
up,
so
I'm
pinch
hitting
for
him
this
afternoon,
senator
wise
and
I
are
going
to
be
making
a
budget
request
for
arpa
education
dollars:
five
million
dollars,
10
million
dollars
over
the
biennium,
to
bring
math
nation
to
kentucky
it's
an
online
learning
tool
to
help
students
who
are
behind
in
arithmetic
and
the
reason
I've
been
working
with
senator
wise
on
this
is
I
was
I
was
one
of
those
kids
in
middle
school
and
high
school
who
really
struggled
with
math
if
it
weren't
for
a
good
friend
who
was
basically
a
mathematic
savant
and
a
teacher
who
took
a
little
extra
interest
in
me.
E
I
I
wouldn't
have
reached
the
comprehension
level
necessary
to
complete
my
studies.
I
wish
I
would
have
had
something
like
like
math
nation,
to
help
me
back
then,
even
even
before
the
pandemic.
E
We
know
that
there
are
plenty
of
students
around
the
commonwealth
who
are
behind
in
math,
and
we
know
coming
out
of
the
pandemic
that
that
situation
has
been
exacerbated.
One
of
my
superintendents
from
my
district
told
me-
and
this
was
a
district
that
missed
some,
but
not
all
of
the
school
year.
He
said
it
would
be
18
to
24
months
to
get
these
students
caught
up
the
jcps
superintendent
told
me
it
might
be
five
years
for
the
students
in
jefferson
county,
our
largest
school
district,
which
of
course
was
shut
down
for
an
entire
year.
E
As
everybody
knows.
So.
I've
done
my
research
on
this
program,
math
nation-
and
it
holds
personal
interest
to
me,
but
I
think
coming
out
of
the
pandemic
it.
It
would
be
an
excellent
use
of
the
arpa
funds
to
to
help
teachers.
Parents
and
students
get
these
kids
caught
up
in
the
all-important
mathematical
sciences.
E
So
I
appreciate
your
time
and
attention
today.
These
folks
have
come
in
from
florida
and
south
carolina
with
the
hopes
of
convincing
this
committee
in
the
general
assembly
that
kentucky
will
become
the
fifth
state
to
implement
math
nation
for
its
students.
So
I'm
going
to
leave
the
chair
and
let
the
other
ladies
come
up
and
introduce
you
to
ethan
fieldman
he's
the
president
of
math
nation,
probably
one
of
those
mathematics
savants
like
my
friend
who
helped
me
get
through
high
school,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
him
and
let
him
do
the
introductions.
F
All
right,
chair,
mcdaniel,
chairman
petry
members
of
the
committee.
We
appreciate
your
time
very
much.
We
understand
that
we're
first,
so
we
will
be
very
cognizant
of
time
and
respectful
of
your
time.
I'm
ethan
fieldman,
I'm.
The
president
of
math
nation
here
with
me
is,
is
morgan
chidham,
our
vice
president
I'll.
Let
her
speak
about
herself
for
a
moment.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
for
having
us
today.
I
used
to
be
a
college,
math
instructor
and
then
just
felt
a
passion
for
k-12
education,
math
education,
the
more
college
courses
I
taught-
and
it's
really
really
good
to
be
here
today-
I'm
actually
an
appalachia
girl,
so
it's
great
to
be
at
a
place
where
they
sell
l8
in
the
gas
stations.
F
C
Yes,
thank
you
committee
for
hearing
us.
My
name
is
dana
jenkins,
I'm
from
south
carolina
the
co-director
of
the
operations
in
south
carolina.
What
would
be
here
in
kentucky
and
I
use
these
products.
I
use
these
resources
in
my
own
classroom
and
I
was
able
to
see
growth
in
my
students,
both
in
numbers
and
also
in
confidence,
and
I
have
a
great
passion
for
this
and
I'm
so
excited
to
be
a
part
of
the
team
and
to
possibly
be
here
in
kentucky.
F
Certainly,
math
is
challenging
across
the
country,
but
the
sat
scores
are
going
down
even
before
the
pandemic.
So
even
before
the
learning
loss
of
not
being
in
school
and
such
the
act
scores
have
been
going
down.
In
fact,
only
25
percent
of
kentucky
students
were
at
meeting
benchmark
in
mathematics
on
the
act,
so
certainly
something
that
we
need
to
work
on.
Also
teacher
shortages
are
expected
to
expand
by
over
seven
percent.
So
we
have
to
do
things
that
we
can
support
the
teachers
in
the
classroom.
F
We
have
to
help
nights
and
weekends,
especially
for
students
to
catch
up
working
with
their
parents.
So
that's
what
we
that's
we
work
on,
so
data
is
what's
important
to
us.
We
believe
that
things
should
not
be
funded
with
any
any
sort
of
funding.
Unless
they're
making
test
scores
go
up,
our
value
is
to
make
mathematics
more
fun
for
students
more
exciting,
connected
to
college
and
career.
That's
what
we
do,
but
it
has
to
be
reflected
in
test
scores,
and
so
we've
proven
over
many
years
now
across
multiple
states.
F
We
can
bring
those
test
scores
up
so
just
to
highlight
some
of
those
in
title
1
schools
in
the
top
right,
you
can
see
rural
students
do
better
english
language
learners
do
better
economically
disadvantaged
students.
Do
better
math
nation
has
been
proven
to
do
a
fantastic
job,
and
this
data
to
be
clear,
is
not
from
us
all.
This
data
is
done
by
university
partners
that
we
have
in
each
state,
so
we
work
with
the
university
partner
in
each
state
to
help
do
evaluation
and
some
other
things.
F
So
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
very
brief
history,
because
I
like
telling
the
story,
but
I'm
going
to
be
very
brief.
We
started
down
in
florida
we're
based
morgan
and
I
are
down
in
north
florida.
F
They
also
wanted
a
workbook
to
follow,
along
with
we
have
these
workbooks
and
there's
some
of
those
distributed
throughout
from
south
carolina
to
give
you
a
sense
of
having
a
workbook,
especially
for
students
who
don't
have
broadband
internet
at
home,
that
they
can
follow
along
and
they
wanted
tutoring.
They
wanted
tutoring
for
every
student.
Most
students
can't
afford
to
have
a
private
tutor
right.
My
background
originally
as
an
educator
was,
was
tutoring
student
athletes
at
the
college
level,
where
they
get
anything
they
want
right
at
any
cost,
but
most
students
don't
have
that
right.
F
Most
students
don't
have
that,
especially
in
middle
school
and
high
school,
and
so
they
wanted
tutoring
across
the
state
for
students
at
night
and
on
the
weekends,
a
district
by
district
approach.
They
wanted
something
that
each
district
that
could
have
its
own
customizations
and
they
wanted
parent
involvement.
Of
course,
and
again
that
was
this
is
even
before
the
pandemic.
So
in
florida,
math
nation
was
adopted
by
a
hundred
percent
of
the
districts
with
no
state
mandate.
The
districts
decided
they
want
to
use
it
by
2017.
F
We
had
enormous
gains
in
the
pass
rates
of
the
end
of
course,
exams,
and
then
we
expanded
to
geometry
and
middle
school
math
and
algebra
2
and
other
courses,
and
now
we're
statewide
in
multiple
states,
and
we
help
all
students,
all
students,
public
school
students,
private
school
students,
adult
education,
community
colleges.
Anyone
who
wants
access
we
want
to
give
them
access,
so
that's
very
important,
and
then
we
work
with
a
local
university,
as
I
mentioned,
to
help
us
with
the
standards
alignment
and
the
evaluation.
F
Every
year
we
have
a
great
quote
from
the
commissioner
from
the
state
superintendent
mississippi.
We
can.
You
have
a
copy
of
that
in
the
powerpoint
and
take
a
look
at
it
and
I'm
going
to
show
you
just
a
very
quick
piece
of
a
video
of
some
of
the
things
that
we
do
for
students
now
that
you've
seen
the
data.
This
is
how
we
do
it,
so
we
have
instructors
I'll
turn
up
the
volume
here
for
you,
so
you
can
hear
it
now.
D
Those
matches-
let's
get
to
it,
but
when
we
look
at
the
real
world
context,
we
realize
that
there
are
some
additional
constraints
on
the
domain
and
range.
So
what
do
you
think
this
graph
would
look
like
if
it
were
drawn
to
represent
that
real
world
context
and
not
just
the
equation
or
function?
That
represents
the
context.
F
So
in
states
where
they
like
in
spanish,
we
do
in
spanish
as
well,
but
the
key
is
that
students
can
choose
different
instructors
who
have
all
gone
through
and
recorded
every
single
thing
they
need,
according
to
state
standards,
for
that
particular
state
which
what
we
do.
We
set
up
an
operation
each
state
and
we
make
things
perfect
for
that
state.
We
use
local
examples.
Local
businesses,
I'm
involved
in
workforce
development
myself,
my
other
volunteer
hat,
and
so
we
bring
students
to
real
companies
and
real
jobs.
F
So
that's
part
of
what
we
do
in
their
phones
on
their
computers.
They
have
access
to
these
tutors
every
night
and
on
the
weekends
and
as
you
can
see,
they
can
choose
between
them.
Some
of
them
go
more
in
depth.
If
a
student
misses
school
or
they
or
the
teacher
assigns
say,
look
this
student
missed
a
whole
chunk
of
these
this
week
or
that
week
the
teacher
or
the
tutor
goes
through
and
explains
everything
they
need
to
know.
F
But
sometimes
students
just
need
a
quick
refresher,
that's
all
they
need,
and
so
they
can
choose
someone
different
from
from
the
list.
So
our
our
study
experts,
as
we
call
them
because
tutor
is
not
necessarily
the
most
fun
word
for
students,
so
study
experts
are
sometimes
looked
upon
as
rock
stars.
So
we'll
show
you
we,
we
started
filming
when
we
visit
schools
with
the
local
study
experts,
the
local
tutors
kind
of
a
neat
thing
to
see.
F
So
the
students
are
very
excited
to
meet
their
meet
their
tutor.
Believe
it
or
not.
You
know
in
math,
you
don't
have
you
don't
have
guest
speakers
in
math?
Usually
right,
you
don't
have
field
trips.
So
having
these
celebrity
involvement
with
math
instructors
is
definitely
something
that
folks
haven't
seen
before
now.
We
also
have
the
workbooks,
and
then
you
saw
in
the
videos
that
the
instructors
our
study
experts
are
going
through
things
and
so
students
each
get
a
workbook.
They
can
put
their
names
on
it.
It's
a
line
of
state
standards.
F
F
We
also
have
remediation
tools.
We
have
on-ramp
tools,
so
they
basically,
if
you're,
going
to
sixth
grade,
you
gotta
know
all
the
things
from
usually
third
grade
through
fifth
grade
in
math,
so
we
make
sure
that
it
remediates
them
the
first
week
of
school
so
that
all
these
students
coming
with
different
learning
laws
from
different
schools.
The
teacher
has
a
tool
that
each
student
can
have
a
personalized
path,
an
adaptive
path
to
get
them
right
back
to
where
they
need
to
start
to
get
that
school
year,
start
out
right
and
then
math
and
action.
F
Math
in
action
is
where
we
go
on
location
with
real
companies.
This
is
one
from
boeing
in
south
carolina.
All
of
the
787s
are
built
at
a
at
a
facility
in
charleston
south
carolina.
So
we
went.
We
got
behind
the
stage
seen
access
to
to
work
with
boeing
to
make
these
I'll
show
you
just
a
quick
one
minute
clip
of
interviewing
engineers
about
real
jobs
in
that
state.
D
And
I'm
going
to
let
her
we're
going
to
be
doing
a
couple
of
videos
with
her,
but
for
now
I'm
going
to
let
her
go
ahead
and
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
herself
because
she's
actually
a
south
carolina
girl,
that's
right,
hey
guys!
My
name
is
kaylee.
I
was
born
and
raised
in
anderson,
south
carolina
went
to
west
side
high
school
go
rams
after
I
graduated
high
school.
I
attended
clemson
university
where
I
studied
mechanical
engineering.
D
When
I
got
into
it,
it
was
a
little
tough.
I
didn't
know
exactly
what
I
wanted
to
do
or
what
a
career
might
look
like,
but
I
really
really
enjoy
being
an
engineer,
especially
in
the
aerospace
industry.
I
especially
want
to
give
all
my
girls
a
shout
out
just
because
you
might
be
a
little
bit
outnumbered
or
might
not
look
like
everyone
around.
You
doesn't
mean
it's
not
where
you're
meant
to
be
the
industry
is
fun.
D
It's
creative
you're,
solving
challenges
and
puzzles
every
single
day
so
get
out
there
and
follow
your
heart,
especially
if
you
like
math
and
science
like
I
did
growing
up.
So
this
is
the
part,
that's
being
made
in
this
machine
right
now,
okay,
so
this
I'm
looking
at
this-
and
this
seems
it's.
F
A
little
laggy
on
the
video,
but
she
actually
shows
machining
apart
for
a
787
and
then
on
a
whiteboard,
draws
out
the
math
problem,
so
that
teachers
and
students
can
have
a
lesson
activity
in
class
that
they
can
use
if
they
choose
they
don't
have
to.
But
they
can
use
these
lessons
of
real
companies
in
that
case
in
south
carolina
in
this
case,
in
kentucky
now
as
far
as
tutoring,
what
the
way
that
you
tutor
literally
tens
of
thousands
of
students
in
a
course
across
the
state
is
we
built
this
thing?
Called
the
wall?
F
Algebra
one
wall
geometry
wall
where
students
can
go
online?
It
looks
like
social
media,
but
it's
not.
They
can't
friend
each
other
message
anything,
but
it
looks
like
things
they're
used
to
and
they
can
ask
questions
to
each
other
and
we
hire
local
teachers
across
the
state
to
monitor
it
at
night
on
the
weekends.
F
So
students
are
sort
of
tutoring
each
other,
but
not
really
tutoring,
each
other
they're
guiding
each
other
to
the
right
videos
and
the
right
resources,
and
it
happens
thousands
of
times
every
night
where
students
are
helping
each
other
across
states
and
they
get
unlimited
access
to
do
as
much
as
they'd
like
to
ask
all
the
questions.
So
when
they
show
up
the
next
day
in
class,
the
teacher
says
my
students
usually
don't
show
up
with
their
homework
done
because
they
got
stuck
well
now.
C
I
can
speak
to
this
as
a
parent
and
as
a
teacher,
it's
invaluable
as
a
teacher
to
be
able
to
have
this
support
for
my
students.
So
if
they
go
home-
and
I
know
they
have
emails
or
they're
going
to
send
me
emails-
their
parents
are
going
to
send
me
emails.
This
is
a
support
that
I
can
offer
them
if
I'm
not
available,
if
I'm
taking
care
of
my
own
children
or
my
own
family.
This
is
a
support.
F
Yeah,
the
access
is
universal.
We
work
with
all
hardware
devices
across
all
districts,
there's
nothing
to
download.
We
have.
We
have
an
app
that
goes
back
more
than
six
years,
because
a
lot
of
the
students
have
hand-me-down
cell
phones.
They
don't
have
the
the
brand
new
iphone
that
I
have
they've
got
these
older
phones.
We
go
back
more
than
six
years
also
for
for
students
with
with
broadband
issues.
F
Everything
is
downloadable
at
school,
while
they're
on
the
internet,
then,
when
they're
on
that
long
bus
ride
or
their
home
without
good
internet,
they
can
do
everything
on
their
phone,
including
watching
the
videos.
Then,
when
they
get
back
to
school
it
syncs
back
up
on
the
wi-fi
they
can
go
to
a
mcdonald's
or
anything
to
get
wi-fi
just
to
get
it
or
school
and
they
go
home
and
they
can
watch
it
so
very
important
us
to
make
sure
I
live
in
rural
florida.
F
I
know
people
think
of
florida's
very
urban
area,
but
there's
a
lot
of
rural
areas
in
florida
like
where
I
live,
and
it's
very
important
to
us
that
our
students
have
access,
and
it's
always
been
that
way.
I
won't
play
one
for
you
now,
but
we
also
have
family
support
videos,
so
parents
can
actually
learn
exactly
what
their
students
are
learning
exactly.
They
can
see
all
of
it.
They
can
track
their
students
and
the
videos
are
actually
tailored
to
parents.
F
So
we
have
a
whole
set
for
parents
to
understand
that
they
can
help
their
student
at
home
because
I
don't
know
if
you
all
remember
algebra,
1
or
factoring
polynomials
very
well,
but
but
most
of
us
I
know
have
forgotten
that.
So
with
that,
I
would
love
to
have
a
discussion.
Talk
about
questions,
we're
we're
educators,
so
we
prefer
not
to
give
a
lecture.
We
prefer
to
have
questions,
but
but
thank
you,
chairman.
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
you
all
being
here
today.
You
know
numeracy
literacy,
those
are
key
components.
I've
actually
met
and
spoke
with
superintendent
right
before
mississippi,
and
you
know
they
passed
a
landmark
legislation
2013
on
literacy,
and
they
also
they
didn't
really
impact
numeracy
at
that
time,
but
they've
seen
an
increase
in
their
in
their
numeracy
scores.
F
This
yet
representative,
yes
and
the
scores
across
mississippi
statewide
have
gone
up
dramatically
in
mathematics
and
the
courses
that
we
help
them
with.
Not
that
it's
just
us
but
but
we
like
to
say,
we
played
a
small
part.
They've
done
a
fantastic
job
in
mississippi.
We
did.
We
met
with
the
commissioner
and
he
expressed
that
he
definitely
saw
the
value
and
if
there
was
legislative
approval
that
he
would
be
happy
to
help
us
implement.
C
One
more
follow-up,
mr
chairman,
you
mentioned
that
you
partner
with
a
university
in
kentucky.
Of
course,
we
already
have
a
university
in
kentucky.
That's
involved
in
math
intervention.
I
didn't
know.
How
do
you
go
about
your
selection
of
the
university
that
you
partner
with.
F
That's
a
great
question
we
may
we
may
need
two
or
three
in
in
kentucky
is
my
understanding.
We
we
like
to
work
with
institutions
that
are
teacher
prep
training
teachers
typically
because
they're
the
most,
you
know,
they're
the
most
on
the
ground,
with
teachers
all
day,
and
they
can
help
us
get
the
word
out
and
have
that
teacher
involvement,
because
we
build
a
new
system
in
every
state.
To
be
clear,
this
is
not
a
national
program.
We
don't
use
any
national
standards.
F
We
just
take
some
of
the
technologies
we
have
to.
We
don't
have
to
reinvent
the
wheel
and
spend
50
million
dollars
every
time
to
build
something,
so
we
select
them
based.
Everyone,
we've
ever
contacted,
has
wanted
to
work
with
us
on
the
program.
So
it's
really
just
a
matter
of
finding
those
that
that
have
access
to
those
teachers
and
they're
on
the
ground
understand
what
teachers
need
in
the
classroom
to
help
students.
F
C
I
just
have
one
real
quick
question:
do
you
all
have
any
programs
that
is
geared
specifically
to
parents
at
home,
school
or
children.
F
It's
not
going
to
be
the
math
that
the
student
is
is
learning
that
year
now,
two
plus
two
equals
four
to
be
clear.
Like
we're
not
saying
the
math
is
different,
but
venn
diagrams
are
taught
in
eighth
grade
in
some
states,
they're
taught
in
seventh
grade
in
other
states.
So
it's
important
to
have
perfect
alignment
to
state
standards.
So
that's
why
homeschool
parents
especially
appreciate
what
we
do
that
they've
got
the
full
access
to
everything
they
need
in
math
for
their
students
to
do
well
on
the
act
and
other
tests.
A
I
Thank
you
all.
I'm
I'm
asking
this
question
as
the
mother
of
a
first
grader
and
a
second
grader,
so
my
students
are
in
my
kids
are
in
jcps
and
in
the
last
24
hours,
I've
had
them
on
exact
path
and
cern,
not
if
you're
aware
of
these
competitors
right,
and
so
it
feels
like
as
a
parent
of
public
of
students
in
public
schools,
we're
always
being
given
like
the
new
next
best
thing,
and
it
may
be
better.
I
It
may
very
well
be
better,
but
the
herky
jerky,
like
constant
change,
constant
new
program,
new
login
next
best
thing.
This
is
best
for
your
kid.
I
think
damages
trust
right
with
families
and
can
affect
the
consistency
of
the
education.
If
you
all
would
speak
to
that
piece,
how
you've
navigated
it
and
then
I
have
a
follow
up.
F
Yeah,
as
a
parent,
I
agree
100
right,
there's
different
things.
Moving
around
across
districts,
all
the
time
representative,
the
a
few
things.
First
of
all,
you
set
another
login.
One
of
the
things
we
do
is
we
never
give
them
another
login
we
work
with
every
district
individually,
so
that
students
don't
have
to
have
another
password
that
we're
right
inside
of
that
district.
F
That's
that's
number
one
number,
two,
very
importantly,
having
something
that
they
know,
no
matter
where
they
move
across
the
state
or
what
they
do,
that
they
have
access
to
something
that
is
state
aligned.
We
know
the
companies
that
you've
talked
about
we're,
not
really
a
competitor,
because
what
we
do
is
we
go
statewide
work
with
those
standards,
work
with
the
local
universities
and
tailor
something
to
the
state
of
kentucky.
So
it's
a
little
bit
different,
but
but
certainly
those
are
math
programs
as
well.
F
The
key
is
to
make
something
that
they've
got
a
workbook
that
goes
home
with
them.
The
parents
see
exactly
what
they're
learning
they've
got
videos
to
go
along
with
it
and
they've
got
that
choice
right.
The
teachers,
the
students
and
the
parents
all
have
choice
between
instructors
or
how
they
want
to
use
the
program.
We
are
not
a
prescriptive
program
where
it's
you
log
in
for
45
minutes
every
day,
and
you
do
this
and
the
system
just
figures
it
out,
and
you
know
you
know
photocopies
your
brain
or
something
like
that.
F
I
Yes,
yes,
thank
you.
I
think
just
we
as
committee
members
would
need
a
lot
of
clarification
on
how
we
think
kde
would
would
utilize
this
and
how
districts
would
right.
Where
would
it
be
mandatory?
Where
would
it
be
optional?
Where
would
it
be
covering
the
day's
assignment
versus
where
would
it
be
covering
a
student's
needs
which
are
often
quite
different
and
then
I'll,
just
chime
in
and
say
I
guess,
I'm
old
school
but
more
time
on
screens
gives
me
the
willies
after
the
last
two
years.
F
If
I
may,
if
I
may
clarify
something,
we
don't
believe
in
mandate,
I
know
you
said
some
maybe
mandated
it
may
not.
We
don't
believe
in
any
mandates.
We've
never
mandated
anything
across
all
these
districts.
We
believe
that
each
individual
district,
we
hire
local
staff,
local
teachers.
We
typically
hire
three
or
four
full-time
former
math
teachers
to
travel
around
the
state
work
with
each
district
individually
for
their
own
needs.
F
It
is
not
a
state
requirement
in
any
state
that
we've
ever
worked
on,
never
will
be,
but
it's
something
that
each
district
can
choose,
how
they
want
to
use
it
at
the
lowest
level.
Just
to
make
this
very
clear
at
the
lowest
level.
Even
if
a
teacher
is
not
using
the
classroom
which
many
do
not.
They
just
know
that
when
the
kids
go
home
at
night,
the
parents
and
the
students
have
access
to
every
single
benchmark
and
standard
that
the
state
of
kentucky
needs
students
to
learn
to
be
ready
for
college
and
career.
F
I
If,
if
we
go
forward
with
it,
I
actually
would
like
it
to
be
integrated
with
schools.
We
don't
need
to
give
families
another
another
thing:
it's
tough
to
navigate
resources
as
a
parent,
but
I
I'm
getting
closer
to
getting
it.
Thank
you
all.
A
J
You
just
a
comment
I
I
mentioned
representative
hart
it's
great
to
have
rock
stars
who
are
academic
and
not
necessarily
athletic
or
music.
So
thank
you
for
that.
A
Agreed
well
guys,
thank
you
for
making
the
sojourn
to
the
commonwealth
today,
look
forward
to
seeing
you
again
soon.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
all
right.
Next
up
we
have
emergency
rental
assistance
program.
Believe
secretary
johnson
has
joined
us
today,
along
with
mrs
smith,.
A
D
D
G
Thank
you
so
much
secretary
johnson,
hopefully
everybody
can
see
my
slideshow
now.
G
Yes,
I
can
right
so
again.
I'm
wendy
smith,
deputy
executive
director
of
housing
programs
at
kentucky
housing
corporation.
I'm
going
to
try
to
anticipate
the
questions
you
all
might
have
about
this
program
with
a
pretty
dense
but
I'll
keep
it
brief
slide
show,
and
then
I'm
happy
to
take
your
questions
at
the
end.
I
imagine
there'll
be
something
I've
left
out,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everyone
knows
what
kentucky
housing
corporation.
Is
we
go
by
khc
as
our
acronym?
G
We
are
a
quasi-state
agency,
so
we're
administratively
attached
to
the
finance
cabinet,
but
we
are
self-supporting,
we're
not
part
of
the
state
budget.
We
don't
get
any
general
fund
support,
we
earn
kind
of
our
own
keep.
If
you
will
through
program
administration
and
some
lending
programs,
we
are
what's
known
as
a
state
housing
finance
agency,
every
state
has
one
we
are
kentucky's.
G
Our
mission
is
to
invest
in
quality
housing,
solutions
that
are
affordable
for
families
in
kentucky's,
across
for
families
and
communities
across
kentucky,
because
we
believe
that
when
a
family
can
afford
their
housing,
it
makes
them
stable
and
allows
them
to
thrive
and
then
in
turn
keeps
their
community
stable
and
can
allow
their
community
to
thrive.
We
know
more
and
more
local
officials
and
state
elected
officials
are
concerned
about
affordable
housing
and
that's
what
we're
all
about.
G
So
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
detail,
but
just
so
you
all
know,
we
take
a
lot
of
different
funding
sources-
private
through
the
banking
industry,
federal
dollars,
primarily
through
hud,
but
in
this
case
through
treasury
and
some
state
dollars,
the
affordable,
housing
trust
fund
and
they
come
to
khc,
and
then
we
invest
them
across
the
state
in
projects
in
non-profits.
G
You
know
in
partnerships,
all
kinds
of
stuff
grants
and
loans
across
the
state.
We
work
on
behalf
of
home
buyers
and
existing
homeowners.
So
we
do
mortgage
loans,
we
do
foreclosure
prevention,
we
do
home
repair
and
when
I
say
we
do
it,
we
don't
do
the
work.
We
fund
it
in
a
partner
somewhere
across
the
state.
Again
that
might
be
a
developer
or
a
non-profit
or
a
public
housing
agency.
It
all
depends
on
what
the
effort
is.
G
We
do
a
lot
around
rental
housing,
we
fund
the
creation
or
renovation
of
rental
housing
all
across
the
state.
We
also
operate
a
section
8
voucher
program
for
87
counties
and,
lastly,
we
oversee
hud
funding
for
a
range
of
homelessness
programs
for
118
counties,
basically
everywhere,
but
jefferson
and
fayette
okay.
So
let
me
focus
on
the
program
that
you
all
have
asked
us
to
talk
about,
which
is
the
emergency
rental
assistance
program
or
we
call
it
era.
G
This
is
a
program
that
is
funded
through
u.s
treasury
as
part
of
cobit
relief
legislation
that
legislation,
I'm
not
going
to
remember
what
the
the
acronym
stands
for.
We
call
it
krisa.
It
was
passed
december,
27th
of
2020,
so
just
at
the
end
of
2020.,
this
is
u.s
treasury
funding.
It
has
come
to
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
specifically
to
the
finance
cabinet,
and
it
is
intended
to
assist
tenants
and
really
by
assisting
tenants.
It
assists
landlords
and
utilities.
G
I'll
talk
more
about
that
in
just
a
second,
we
are
the
primary
sub-recipient
and
administrator
for
the
finance
cabinet
kentucky
housing
corporation.
We
are
offering
rent
and
utility
relief
to
118
counties,
and
we
have
for
this
first
set
bucket
of
funding
from
treasury.
We
have
until
september
of
next
year
to
utilize
these
funds.
G
The
funding
amount
that
came
to
the
commonwealth
was
just
over
264
million
dollars,
louisville
and
lexington
those
urban
counties
each
got
their
own
direct
grant
from
treasury.
Louisville's
was
just
under
23
million.
Lexington's
was
9.6
million,
so
the
total,
the
entire
state,
was
almost
297
million
dollars.
Put
a
little
more
simply.
This
is
just
a
recap
of
that.
G
What
I
want
to
note
for
you
all
is
that,
because
louisville
and
lexington
really
did
not
get
a
proportionate
share
of
the
funding
based
on
their
population
share
of
the
state,
we
have
given
them
additional
sub
grants
out
of
our
bucket
of
funds,
so
we,
a
couple
months
ago,
transferred
27
million
to
louisville
and
11.7
million
to
lexington.
That's
in
addition
to
the
direct
grant
they
each
received
from
treasury.
G
So
we've
collaborated
the
three
of
us
since
the
legislation
passed
at
the
end
of
december
last
year
we
began
meeting
weekly
in
january
and
then
bi-weekly
and
now
we're
meeting
once
a
month.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
our
programs
were
virtually
identical
in
terms
of
the
assistance
offered
because
plenty
of
landlords
cross
or
utilities
cross
between
our
jurisdictions,
and
we
didn't
want
them
to
feel
like
just
by
virtue
of
where
someone
lived.
They
got
more
or
less.
G
We
all
use
some
of
the
same
program
documents
and
we
all
launched
in
mid-february
of
this
year.
The
funds
came
over
from
treasury
in
january,
and
we
launched
in
february
you
all
in
terms
of
federal
funding,
that's
light
speed
for
for
the
legislation
to
happen
in
december
and
a
program
to
launch
in
february.
G
We've
never
done
anything
quite
that
quickly.
So
setting
aside
the
louisville
and
lexington
programs,
the
program
that
we
operate
for
the
balance
of
state
or
118
counties
is
called
healthy
at
home
eviction,
relief
or
hh
erf.
G
The
roles
with
this,
so
the
funding
the
grantee
is
the
finance
cabinet.
We
are
the
primary
administrator.
The
public
protection
cabinet
has
built
our
online
application
and
file
processing
system
and
manage
a
lot
of
data
and
reporting
for
us,
and
then
again
we
have
done
sub
grants
to
louisville
and
lexington.
G
The
purpose
of
the
fund
is
to
help
kentucky
tenants
with
rent
and
or
utilities
to
keep
them
housed.
Another
goal
is
to
allow
landlords
and
utilities
to
get
substantial
payments
for
arrears.
G
In
particular,
kkc
has
an
interest
in
private
landlords
getting
paid
and
staying
afloat,
because
a
lot
of
what's
called
naturally
occurring,
affordable
housing
across
the
country
and
kentucky
is
owned
by
private
landlords
and
if
they
were
to
fall
behind
on
their
mortgage
taxes
insurance,
that's
not
good
for
renters
across
the
state.
So
we
see
this
as
a
vital
way
to
help
landlords
and
to
help
utilities
that
may
be
missing
a
lot
of
payments,
particularly
municipal
utilities,
and
then
a
third
goal
is
to
reduce
the
volume
of
eviction
cases
in
kentucky
court.
G
G
G
Tenants
have
to
be
renting
a
unit
in
one
of
our
118
counties
and
they
have
to
earn
an
income
that
is
at
or
below
area
80
of
area,
immediate
income.
We
turn
away
very
few
households
because
they're
over
income,
this
is
a
broader
income
range
than
we
typically
get
to
serve,
which
is
really
nice.
We
often
can
only
serve
the
poorest
kentuckians.
Now
we
can
serve
really
moderate
income
all
the
way
to
the
poorest
kentuckians
they
had
they.
G
The
assistance
comes
in
the
form
of
lump
sum,
direct
deposit
payments
to
landlords
and
lump
sum
direct
payments
to
utilities.
Some
utilities
require
a
paper
check.
Some
will
accept
electronic
payment,
so
we
do
both
with
utilities.
Once
in
a
great
while
in
less
than
one
half
of
one
percent
of
our
payments,
a
payment
is
made
directly
to
a
tenant,
and
that
is
in
the
case
when
a
landlord
refuses
to
participate,
or
we
simply
cannot
get
them
to
respond.
G
We've
only
had
about
150
of
those
out
of
tens
of
thousands
of
payments
which
I'll
talk
about
in
a
little
bit.
So
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
really
the
the
payments
for
this
program,
the
lion's
share,
going
to
landlords
and
then
a
significant
portion
to
utilities
and
less
at
least
one
half
of
one
percent
directly
to
tenants.
G
We
can
help
with
back
rent
dating
back
to
april
of
last
year,
but
we're
only
allowed
to
help
with
a
maximum
of
12
months
of
arrears
for
rent
and
or
utilities.
So
we
can
go.
We
can
offer
you
one
month
of
arrears.
If
that's
all
you
need,
we
can
do
12
months,
no
matter
how
much
you
get
in
arrears.
You
also
get
three
months
of
future
utilities
or
rent
the
reason
for
that.
That's
the
most
we're
allowed
to
do
at
any
one
time.
G
G
We
also
allow
for
third-party
folks
to
help
with
an
application.
It
can
be
a
church
member,
a
family
member,
a
caseworker
they're
allowed
to
help
the
tenant
apply
and
there's
a
place
on
the
application
for
them
to
enter
their
information,
so
tenants
and
landlords
they
apply
online.
They
have
to
create
an
account
online.
We
do
have
a
customer
call
center
that
if
somebody
just
cannot
do
the
application
and
cannot
get
a
helper
to
do
it
with
them,
we
will
do
it
with
them
over
the
phone.
G
Sometimes
we
schedule
time
where
they
go
to
the
public
library
and
we
gotta
get
on
the
phone
with
them.
There's
an
income
eligibility
calculator
on
the
website
where
you
can
put
in
the
county.
You
live
in
how
many
people
live
in
your
unit
and
your
income
for
2020
or
for
the
last
30
days
and
it'll?
G
Let
you
know
if
you're
eligible
you
don't
have
to
create
an
account
to
check
your
eligibility
and
again
a
third
party
can
help
that
can
be
informal
again
a
friend
or
a
family
member,
or
it
can
be
a
for
someone.
Who's
got
a
formal
relationship
that
just
lets
us
speed
it
along,
particularly
for
elderly
or
disabled
applicants.
G
G
G
G
That
does
not
include
what
louisville
and
lexington
have
used
of
their
subgrants,
so
these
numbers
are
just
for
khc.
I
can
talk
about
louisville
in
a
minute
we
have
made
over
22
300
individual
payments,
because
some
tenants
have
rent
and
utilities
they
need
help
with.
So
they
may
have
two
or
three
payments
that
we
make
on
behalf
of
their
household.
We
have
assisted
over
16
000
renter
households
across
kentucky
the
average
assistance
is
just
under
five
thousand
dollars.
That's
all
together,
rent
and
utilities.
G
We
are
we've
been
doing
a
lot
of
marketing
since
august,
because
our
application
numbers
had
kind
of
gone
down.
We
got
over
any
backlogs
that
we
had
so
we
started
a
lot
of
marketing
in
august.
So
over
the
last
six
weeks
we
have
received
over
a
thousand
applications
per
week.
That
means
that
marketing
is
working.
It
also
means
we've
got
to
continue
to
stay
at
a
high
pace
of
payouts,
because
my
guess
would
be
some
kentuckians
did
not
know
that
the
program
existed.
I
also
can
share.
G
We
have
gotten
some
more
fraudulent
applications,
so
some
of
that
number
is
robo
applications
that
we
are
having
to
lead
through.
You
know
and
deny
and
sweep
out
of
our
system
and
again
99
of
our
payments
have
gone
directly
to
landlords
and
utilities
across
the
state.
G
G
G
This
is
just
the
rate
of
payments
per
month,
so
you
can
see
we
had
a
slow
start
in
march
and
then
it
really
ramped
up
in
the
spring
and
in
the
summer
we
really
hit
a
good
pace.
Last
month
we
brought
on
a
vendor
to
process
applications
alongside
our
staff
and
we
paid
out
last
month
alone,
18
million
dollars,
that's
obviously
a
record
for
us
and
a
really
significant
jump
in
productivity.
G
For
us,
this
is
a
set
of
data
from
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts
that
helps
us
at
least
get
a
correlation
on
the
moratoriums
that
have
been
in
place
on
evictions
as
well
as
rent
assistance
and
how
that
relates
to
forcible
detainer
filings
in
kentucky
courts.
This
data
is
for
all
120
counties.
G
G
The
green
line
is
this
year
up
until
I
think
late
september,
and
so
what
you
can
see
is
obviously
last
year,
evictions
really
went
down
or
eviction
filings.
Excuse
me
went
down,
they
did
come
back
up
as
landlords
realized.
The
moratorium
wasn't
on
all
evictions.
It
was
only
on
non-payment
of
rent
and
there
were
reasons
that
did
allow
a
landlord
to
evict.
G
But
when
you
look
at
the
green
line
compared
to
the
blue
line,
you
can
see
that
even
with
the
moratorium
lifting
we
are
still
seeing,
eviction
rates
eviction
filings
at
a
far
lower
rate
so
far
compared
to
2019.
G
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you
all
if
you
get
this
electronically.
This
is
a
flyer
with
a
link
to
the
flyer.
If
you
wanted
to
share
it
with
any
of
your
constituents,
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
the
committee
members
know
that
there
will
be
a
program
launching
late
this
year
or
early
next
year
for
homeowners,
who
have
been
impacted
by
the
pandemic.
Those
dollars
are
coming
directly
to
kentucky
housing
corporation,
and
I
just
offer
you
this
information,
because
folks
can
sign
up
to
be
notified
as
soon
as
that
opens
again.
G
A
Wendy,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
work
and
you're
plowing
through
a
lot
of
material
in
a
short
amount
of
time,
we'd
sincerely
appreciate
it.
We'll
start
with
representative
fleming.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
just
wanted
to
ask,
I
guess,
ms
smith,
she
went
over
nice
good
detail
of
what's
involved
and
so
forth,
but
I
want
to
ask
her
in
regards
to
once
an
application
is
submitted,
what's
a
time
frame
for
the
landlord
to
receive
that
check
and
what's
involved
with
that,
and
the
second
question
is
this,
and
that
is
just
looking
at
your
chart.
I'm
interpreting
things,
but
you
said
that
5.2
million
dollars
in
terms
of
administration
costs
with
a
grants
of
124
million.
That's
about
a
four
percent
cost.
E
G
That's
like
all
that
answer
your
second
question.
First,
because
it's
easier
we're
allowed
10
admin,
so
we
are
well
under
the
allowable
amount
for
sure
we
do
feel
like
we've
been
operating
it
on
a
shoestring.
We
have
been
using
some
temp
staff
and
a
lot
of
existing
staff
have
been
reallocated
to
it.
So
you
know
I
do
feel
like
that's
low.
G
It
will
go
up
because
what
our
vendor
has
just
begun
invoicing
us,
so
that
number
is
going
to
go
up,
but
again
we're
allowed
10
of
the
grant,
the
overall
264
million
in
admin,
so
we're
nowhere
near
utilizing
all
that
admin.
The
first
question,
which
is:
how
long
does
it
take
and
what's
involved
for
a
landlord
to
get
payment?
That's
a
really
tricky
question.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
this:
if
we
get
a
complete
application
from
the
landlord
and
a
complete
application
from
the
tenant,
they
both
go
online
and
fill
it
out.
G
They
don't
have
to
do
it
at
the
exact
same
time,
but
we
will
link
them
up
by
virtue
of
their
address
or
their
email
accounts.
If
we
can
get
complete
information
and
we
have
really
reduced
how
much
documentation
we
require,
as
treasury
allows
more
and
more
flexibility,
we
can
process
within
two
to
three
weeks.
Getting
complete
information
is
the
trick.
We
need
to
get
a
lease,
we
need
either
in
our
online
portal
or
as
an
upload,
a
ledger.
G
You
know
we
need
that
landlord
to
tell
us
what's
been
paid
and
what
hasn't
we
need
proof
that
the
landlord
owns
the
property.
We
will
look
it
up
in
the
pva
if
we
can
do
that
and
prove
it
that
way.
G
So,
once
we
get
the
complete
information
again,
it's
two
to
three
weeks
before
we
send
that
direct
deposit
payment,
but
I
don't
want
to
mislead
you
all
folks
apply
and
then
don't
get
us
everything
and
we
have
to
call
and
ask,
for
you
know
a
lease
or
for
them
to
complete
the
ledger,
so
it
may
take
more
than
that.
Some
of
it
also
depends
on
the
volume
of
how
many
applications
we
have
in
the
pipeline.
We
got
by
august,
we
were
over
our
backlog
and
we
were
processing
in
one
to
two
weeks:
complete
applications.
E
And
one
more
follow-up
question,
mr
chairman.
Yes
thank
you.
You
said
that
I
guess
there's
a
timing
mechanism
between
the
the
two
applications
going
through
the
process
and,
as
you
said,
you
also
try
to
connect
the
two.
G
It
it.
The
answer
is
both:
there
are
many
many
landlords
who
seem
to
be
really
getting
the
swing
of
helping
their
out.
Their
tenants
apply,
getting
them
to
apply
and
moving
it
to
getting
their
assistance.
So
we
are
seeing
landlords
manage
to
apply
on
multiple
properties
where
they
have
a
lot
of
tenants
in
arrears,
and
then
we
also
see
situations
where
there
there
might
have
been
a
previously
contentious
relationship
between
the
two
parties
and
it's
tougher
to
get
each
one
side
or
the
other
to
participate
and
to
get
all
their
stuff
in.
G
So
it
has
generally
worked
pretty
well
once
they
get
their
applications
in.
We
can
usually
marry
them
up
and
move
it
forward,
but
it
really
runs
the
gamut
as
all
landlord-tenant
relationships
do.
Some
are
really
good
and
we
can
move
it
fast.
Others,
one
party
is
more
interested
than
the
other,
and
then
I
want
to
make
it
clear.
A
C
A
Aoc
talking
about
technology
upgrades
for
virtual
hearing
equipment
see
do
we
have
oh
in
person
still
adjusting
to
who's
on
what,
but.
Thank
you,
ladies
both
very
much
for
being
here
today.
A
H
Budget
director
and
I'm
elizabeth
lucas
with
its
at
the
aoc,
so
thank
you,
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today
to
update
you
on
the
progress
of
several
legislatively
funded
projects
that
were
appropriated
in
earlier
this
year
and
funding
became
available
in
july
for
the
purposes
of
our
discussion.
Today
we
have
conjoined
the
video
arraignment
and
the
video
conferencing
systems
to
one
project.
So
there's
one
slide
to
update
you
on
that
project
and
then
each
of
the
other
projects
have
a
slide
as
well.
H
H
Resources
are
are
definitely
a
challenge
in
this
particular
environment
that
we
are
all
in
today,
whether
it's
securing
programming
resources
or
business
analysts.
It's
a
highly
competitive
workforce,
as
you
know,
we
onboarded
16
folks
between
july
and
october,
and
already
one
of
those
has
departed
for
another
opportunity.
So
it's
an
ongoing
effort
to
constantly
staff
these
projects,
but
we
are,
we
are
currently
staffed
for
all
of
the
projects
in
questions.
H
I
think
another
big
limitation
is
funding
for
ongoing
costs,
whether
it's
maintenance
or
support
of
software
equipment.
That's
always
a
challenge.
The
one-time
investment
clearly
is
an
initial
cost,
but
there's
the
ongoing
costs
associated
with
all
these
projects,
and
then
last,
I
think,
but
not
least,
solutions
need
to
be
simple.
They
need
to
suit
the
purpose
for
which
they're
intended
and
they
need
to
be
sustainable
and
in
our
language
that
means
they
need
to
be
flexible
enough
to
change
as
the
environment
changes.
H
H
H
H
H
The
next
project
is
the
self-represented
litigate
portal.
I
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
interest
in
this
particular
project.
Again
we
have
onboarded
our
resources,
so
they
are
ready
to
begin
work.
We
have
also
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
research
of
tools
for
online
interviews,
guided
interviews
so
that
people
can
walk
up
to
a
terminal
enter
information.
The
form
system
fill
they
can
sign
it
and
they
can
send
those
and
to
the
clerk
for
processing.
H
H
We're
also
going
to
be
building
a
guided
interview
for
divorce,
so
that's
the
next
guided
interview
that
we're
looking
at
developing
and
then
on
into
early
next
year,
we're
looking
at
pilot
programs
we're
going
to
still
assist
with
the
launch
of
the
self-help
center
in
fayette
county
and
also
evaluate
additional
devices
that
potentially
could
be
placed
in
courthouses,
whether
that's
a
kiosk,
whether
that's
additional
patron
stations,
so
that
self-representing
litigants
can
use
those
devices
to
do
their
work
for
court
again.
The
stakeholders
are
listed
on
the
bottom
of
that
slide.
H
I
will
say
that
all
of
these
projects
have
had
an
initial
kickoff
in
october.
Additional
meetings
have
been
scheduled
in
november
for
the
stakeholders
and
still
others
are
in
december,
so
those
committees,
those
stakeholder
groups,
will
be
meeting
about
every
month
or
every
other
month,
depending
on
the
need.
H
The
next
project
is
the
redaction
system
software
project.
This
is
needed
to
redact
personal
identifiable
information
from
court
documents.
From
the
moment
they
are
e-filed
so
that
information
that
shouldn't
be
available
publicly
is
not
available
publicly.
We
have
made
a
lot
of
progress
on
this
particular
project.
We
have
we're
in
a
proof
of
concept.
Earlier
this
year
we
have
actually
secured
our
license
from
csi.
H
So
now
we
are
on
project
planning
stage
with
the
vendor,
who
is
csi
in
the
next
few
months,
we'll
be
looking
at
hardware
provisioning,
the
redaction
software
will
take
some
configuration
and
it's
actually
smart
software,
so
it
learns
as
it
goes
so
the
more
documents
that
it
processes.
It
learns
where
that
information
is
on
those
documents
and
is
able
to
move
forward
faster
next
year,
also
we'll
be
looking
with
integration,
with
our
ky
quartz
suite
of
applications
and
a
pilot
later
in
the
fall
of
next
year.
H
Again,
the
stakeholders
are
listed
at
the
bottom
of
that
slide
and,
last
but
not
least,
the
self-service
kiosks.
These
are
designed
to
take
cash
for
folks
who
wish
to
pay
fines
and
costs.
This
is
an
expansion
of
our
e-pay
program,
which
we
expanded
last
year
in
the
middle
of
the
pandemic,
so
that
all
fines
and
costs
could
be
paid
online,
so
people
will
be
able
to
pay
online
or
they
can
come
to
the
courthouse
pay
electronically
using
a
kiosk
or
they
can
still
see
the
clerk.
H
Additionally,
there's
some
hope
that
we
will
expand
the
self-service
kiosks
in
alignment
with
the
self-represented
litigate
portal
that
these
two
will
eventually
have
some
synergy,
such
that
the
patron
stations
used
for
the
self-represented
litigants
and
the
kiosks
used
for
payment
purposes.
H
Right
now,
we
are
working
with
the
vendor
keefe,
who
is
a
state
contract
vendor,
and
we
are
in
the
middle
of
contract
negotiations
with
them
in
next
year.
We
plan
to
implement
a
pilot
site
early
in
the
year
and
then
complete
the
rollout
of
phase
one
which
would
be
a
roll
out
of
15
kiosks,
statewide
in
key
locations,
predominantly
the
larger
jurisdiction
counties
and
then
phase
two,
I'm
sorry
phase.
H
One
also
includes
the
rollout
of
convenience
stores
using
a
qr
code,
so
that
folks
can
go
in
scan
their
code
and
pay
their
finer
cost.
Those
will
be
in
convenient
locations
across
the
state,
so
in
every
county,
there'll
be
that
option:
a
dollar
general,
for
example,
and
december
of
next
year,
we'll
look
at
lessons
learned
and
then
pi
and
then
look
at
what
phase
two
might
look
like
if
additional
features
or
functions
are
required
and
again
across
the
bottom
are
the
stakeholders.
H
A
Very
well,
okay,
great
so
on
to
the
serious
though-
and
this
is
a
really
interesting
thing-
it
kind
of
gets
to
the
old
theory
about
you
know,
methods
or
many
principles-
a
few
kind
of
concept
here,
which
is
you
know,
there's
very
few
things.
You
know
once
you
get
past
the
basic
security
the
government
provides.
A
One
of
the
fundamental
bedrocks
of
our
society
is
speedy,
impartial
and
fair
justice
and
and
access
into
the
courts.
So
I
was
the
one
that
interfaced
with
aoc
on
trying
to
get
the
money
to
make
sure
that
we
could
work
towards
this,
because
you
know
we've
got
a
backlog
inside
of
the
courts
pandemic
related
and
then
this
hopefully,
will
help
make
us
more
efficient,
lower
cost
delivery
of
one
of
those
bedrock
principles
to
us.
A
My
question
comes
in
and
then
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
a
statement
you
would
made.
I
wanted
to
make
sure,
because,
when
I
was
working
with
you
guys,
it
was
my
understanding
that
the
money
that
was
being
appropriated
would
handle
everything
from
jailhouse
to
courthouse
to
aoc,
and
everything
in
between
that
this
was
kind
of
an
all-in
number.
We
had
here,
but
you
mentioned
a
concern
about
funding
for
ongoing
costs,
so
help
me
understand
what
that
is
exactly
what
you
know.
A
H
I
think
that,
since
we're
still
in
the
research
and
development
stage
and
we're
getting
equipment
in,
we
want
to
be
able
to
see
what
that
equipment
can
do,
and
certainly
our
intent
is
to
leverage
all
existing
equipment
in
the
courtroom.
That's
currently
being
used,
and
the
jails
currently
are
able
to
reach
out
to
that
and
use
that
as
far
as
recording
arraignments
into
the
official
court
record.
H
A
Okay
and
in
if
we
could
firm
that
up
a
little
bit
better
here
in
the
next
60
days
or
so,
because
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
your
budget
again
and
if
we're
going
to
have
something
needs
to
be
addressed,
I
want
to
make
sure
we
address
it,
but
for
sure,
ideally,
we
we're
set
for
all
of
the
equipment.
System-Wide
based
off
of
the
initial
dollars
that
were
appropriated
there.
A
Right
very
well:
okay,
senator
webb.
J
I
have
a
couple
questions,
slash
comments.
As
a
practitioner,
that's
somehow
survived
and
tried
to
keep
my
office
open
the
past
few
months
and
recognizing
there
is
a
value
to
some
of
the
things
that
you're
talking
about.
However,
I'm
sort
of
of
the
school
that
you
know,
speedy,
isn't
always
justice
and
justice
in
its
true
form,
is
ex
can
be
expensive,
so
the
policy
is
who's
going
to
pay
for
it
are
we
going
to
pay
for
it
and
are
we
really
going
to
have
it?
So
what?
J
And
I
think
there
is
a
time
and
place
for
video
arraignment
in
in
these
things.
However,
I
also
feel
there's
a
time
and
place
for
the
humanity
of
the
ability
of
a
judge
to
see
per
in
person.
For
me
as
an
attorney,
when
there
are
times
I
can't
get
into
jail
if
the
code
would
spike
or
their
restrictions
or
their
scheduling,
it's
changed
a
lot
as
far
as
client,
access
and
and
those
individuals
sitting
in
there.
J
Now
I
see
that
you
have
the
dpa
on
your
stakeholder
list,
but
you
don't
have
anybody
from
the
private
bar
and
we
face
a
lot
of
different
challenges
and-
and
I
also
feel
like
if
you're
got
an
arraignment
and
I
follow
bond
motion
that
individual.
J
J
So
just
I
like
to
have
that
option
of
requesting
that
if
I'm
going
to
represent
my
client
and
that
client
is
truly
going
to
get
justice-
and
I
think
that's
been
left
out
of
some
of
these
equations-
and
I
assure
you
that
there
are
some
of
us
that
will
try
to
make
sure
that
that
happens,
if
not
here
from
a
policy
standpoint
in
the
field.
As
far
as
you
know,
motions
filed.
J
So
I
would
say
you
know
the
private
bar
needs
to
be
represented
here,
our
challenges
and
interests,
our
interests
shouldn't
be
different,
but
the
applications
and
logistics
of
it
are
and-
and
I'm
just
I
sit
here
year
after
year
time
after
time,
and
the
private
bar
is
left
off,
we're
out
there
making
live
and
granted
it's
hard
for
us
to
communicate.
But
we
are
the
true
stakeholders
in
representing
our
clients
and
facing
the
same
challenges.
J
So,
on
behalf
of
my
clients,
I
feel
compelled
to
make
that
that
argument
and
again
that
this
interview
guided
interview,
sort
of
disturbs
me
in
a
way
I'd
like
to
know
more
about
that,
especially
in
the
area
of
you
know,
small
claims
probate
pretty
clear,
but
domestic
violence
can
be
highly
interpretive
and
highly
damaged
to
damaging
to
an
individual
that
is
falsely
accused,
and
there
are
many
and
not
just
you
know,
not
take
anything
away
from
the
gravity
of
an
a
true
domestic
violence
action.
J
But
I'd
I'd
like
to
know
a
little
more
about
the
domestic
violence
aspect
of
guided
interviews,
because
to
me
it
could
be
right
for
abuse
and
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
that
safeguard
it
affects
people's
lives.
They
can't
have
a
gun.
You
know
they
might
lose
their
job.
It's
a.
I
want
to
know
more
about
that
before.
I
agree
to
fund
anything
along
those
lines
from
that
standpoint,
but
I
just
think
you
know
justice
isn't
quick
and
cheap,
and
if
we
truly
want
it,
we
need
to
consider
the
humanitarian
side
as
well.
H
J
A
All
right,
other
questions,
committee
comments
scene,
none
all
right!
Thank.
D
A
Today,
all
right,
if
everybody
will
just
take
note,
we
had
two
items
that
were
distributed
first
of
all
interim
allotment,
appro
adjustments,
biggest
of
those
being
12.85
million
in
restricted
front
to
the
third
from
the
thoroughbred
development
fund
to
fund
purses,
and
secondly,
there
is
a
list
of
reports
received
since
october
of
2021.
A
If
anybody
has
interest
in
those,
it
is
a
quite
extensive
list
at
this
time.
Anybody
else
anything
on
the
committee
all
right
scene.
None,
I
believe.
Currently,
this
is
the
last
meeting
that
we're
planning
on
having
and
if
we
don't
seem
to
see
you
folks
between
here
and
there
have
a
happy
thanksgiving,
we'll
stand
adjourned.