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A
Some
real
firm
legislation
against
these
things.
As
we
know,
the
corridor
for
moving
women
and
men
through
our
kentucky
area
comes
from
the
detroit
area
goes
all
the
way
down
to
miami.
So
there
is
a
corridor
where
we're
moving
drugs,
we're
moving
people,
and
that
has
been
a
problem.
All
along
kentucky
has
done
great
things
to
the
ag's
office.
A
We've
worked
with
them
for
the
last
five
years
and
they've
done
great,
made
great
inroads,
but
we
are
going
to
have
a
continuous
problem
because
of
the
increased
traffic
of
drugs
and
then
the
trafficking
of
of
human
beings,
and
so
one
of
the
key
areas
in
our
in
our
area
is
dream
street.
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
dream
street
because
we
have
some
hotels
there
that
are
low
needing
repair
and
they
seem
to
draw
a
lot
of
people
into
that
area.
A
We
have
had
two
women
at
st
elizabeth
hospital,
I'm
a
chaplain
there
I
go
in
when
we
have
sex
trafficked
people
come
in
and
help
them
find
help
for
those
women.
These
two
women
were
immigrants.
They
couldn't
speak
english.
The
trafford
herd
brought
one
in
and
they
were
both
pregnant.
A
When
I
got
an
interpreter
to
work
with
me,
the
one
lady
had
said
she
came
here
from
south
america.
Her
parents
sent
her
here
to
work
at
the
hotel
with
her
aunt
and
uncle.
Unfortunately,
they
found
it
took
it
upon
themselves
to
traffic
her
so
little
to
no
help
for
her,
because
she
cannot
even
speak
english,
so
we
need
to
be
aware,
what's
happening
on
the
corridor
in
our
hotels
in
covington
kentucky
when
we've
done
outreach
there.
I
want
to
speak
about
one
instance.
A
In
particular,
we
were
doing
our
outreach
went
by
a
house
where
we
saw
a
man
bringing
two
young
girls
out
and
we
followed
them
down
to
fifth
street
to
the
white
castles.
It
was
cold
and
we
had
coats
in.
So
we
had
an
excuse
to
talk
to
the
girls.
He
allowed
the
girls
to
go
in
and
get
something
to
eat
and
we
followed
them.
When
they
came
out,
we
found
out
that
they
were
from
louisville
kentucky.
A
They
were
15
and
16
years
old
and
they
have
been
brought
to
northern
kentucky
under
the
assumption
that
they
were
going
to
be
models.
Okay
and
we
immediately
went
to
the
vice
unit.
There
in
covington
explained
what
we
had
seen
and
the
house
that
we
saw
them
come
out
of,
and
we
found
that
they
had
been
looking
into
that
house
for
some
time.
A
They
did
pick
up
both
girls
because
of
the
15
year
old.
She
was
sent
back
to
louisville
to
mom
and
dad,
but
the
16
year
old
was
allowed
to
make
a
decision
to
stay,
and
so
we
need
to
look
at
women
under
18
and
how
our
law
enforcement
and
we
govern
those
age
groups.
Because
more
than
likely,
these
women
were
fed
drugs.
A
A
A
More
than
likely,
they
have
adverse
childhood
experiences
that
have
led
them
into
the
life
most
of
them
entered
the
life
through
drug
addiction,
and
so
that
needs
to
be
a
real
focus,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
attention
that
we
need
to
pay
to
these
people
right
now,
especially
with
the
increase
of
drugs
running
through
kentucky,
is
that
we
make
sure
that
when
we
have
underage
girls
and
the
older
women
that
we
find
ways
to
not
penalize
them
but
help
them
get
mental
health
assessments
get
drug
treatment
and
then
place
them
into
facilities
where
they
can
find
trauma
therapy
and
extended
treatment.
A
A
Okay,
we
are
not
going.
We
can't
arrest
our
way
out
of
these
situations.
Our
girls
are
not
they're
treated
poorly
when
they
are
approached
by
law.
Enforcement
are
in
the
courtroom,
so
we
do
advocate
for
them
and
we
need
to
be
more
conscious
of
the
victim.
They
are
the
victim
and
penalize
the
perpetrators,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
perpetrators
out
there
that
are
in
positions
of
power
that
power
themselves,
like
judge
nolan
over
these
women.
A
So
I
I
would
open
it
up.
If
you
guys
have
any
questions
for
me,
I'm
happy
to
answer
them.
We
are
looking
to
open
a
davis
ministry
in
covington
kentucky
along
that
corridor
on
pikes,
near
pike,
street
and
madison
avenue
to
try
and
get
the
women
to
come
in,
like
we
do
in
cincinnati
and
help
them
find
their
way
into
treatment
and
to
a
better
life.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
miss
hudson,
if
are
you
able
to
stay
on
a
little
bit,
and
maybe
we
can
open
questions
to
the
whole
group,
including
general
cameron,
is
that
okay.
B
Okay,
all
righty,
well
general
cameron.
It's
great
to
have
you
here,
sir,
and
congratulations
on
your
your
first
child
coming,
I
think
in
january,
so
speaking
with
blake
and
john
they're,
both
betting,
that
you
might
name
them
after
them,
but
I
I
don't
know
who
the
forefront
favorite
is
there,
but
I.
C
Sir
well
thank
you
for
having
us
this
morning.
I
want
to
thank
representative
tate
for
inviting
us
and
co-chairs
thomas
and
co-chair
representative
embry
for
allowing
us
to
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
for
a
few
minutes
on
human
trafficking.
C
This
often
makes
it
difficult
for
our
fellow
kentuckians
and
law
enforcement
to
identify
those
who
are
being
trafficked.
Likewise,
a
lack
of
awareness,
misidentification
and
stigma
contribute
to
under-reporting.
As
a
result,
far
too
many
kentuckians
have
been
subjected
to
labor
or
sex
trafficking.
According
to
a
study
from
the
human
trafficking
institute,
kentucky
ranked
ninth
in
the
country
for
new
federal
human
trafficking
cases
in
2019.
C
that
same
year,
136
cases
of
human
trafficking
involving
kentucky
were
reported
to
the
national
human
trafficking
hotline,
with
more
than
700
cases
reported
since
2007.
During
the
2020
reporting
period,
kentucky's
cabinet
for
health
and
family
services
reported
206
incidences
of
human
trafficking
against
minors.
We
cannot
allow
this
to
continue
so
over
the
last
22
months.
We
have
left
no
stone
unturned
in
our
fight
to
raise
awareness
about
human
trafficking,
to
investigate
and
prosecute
those
who
engage
in
this
crime.
C
Many
of
the
successes
I'm
about
to
share
would
not
have
been
possible
without
the
groundwork
laid
by
you
all
laid
out
by
the
general
assembly.
We
are
particularly
grateful
for
the
changes
the
state
made
in
house
bill
2
in
2020
and
in
house
bill
79
earlier
this
year,
like
to
briefly
discuss
each
of
these
new
laws.
Thanks
to
the
leadership
of
representative
tate
representative
miles
representative
petrie
and
others
house,
bill
2
closes
a
loophole
in
our
sex
offender
registry,
which
previously
did
not
require
the
registration
of
those
who
trafficked
adult
victims.
C
It
also
broadens
the
scope
of
commercial
sexual
activity
to
ensure
the
entire
scope
of
sex
trafficking
is
covered
by
the
definition.
This
was
an
important
change
since
human
trafficking
take
many
different
forms.
For
instance,
here
in
the
commonwealth,
there
is
a
strong
relationship
between
the
drug
epidemic
and
human
trafficking.
Time
and
again,
we've
seen
human
trafficking
cases
involving
a
family
member
or
acquaintance
who
trafficks
a
child
in
exchange
for
drugs
or
drug
money.
C
In
one
case,
our
office,
assisted
in
detectives,
discovered
that
a
kentucky
man
was
offering
narcotics,
alcohol
and
money
to
obtain
adults
and
children
for
sexual
acts.
Broadening
the
definition
of
commercial
sexual
activity
helps
ensure
that
these
activities
and
others
like
it,
can
certainly
be
punished
and
prohibited.
C
Additionally
house
bill
79
addresses
the
incidences
of
human
trafficking
within
the
massage
industry
by
requiring
background
checks
prior
to
an
individual
receiving
a
massage
therapy
license
these
bills
have
given
us
the
tools
necessary
to
crack
down
on
human
trafficking
across
the
state.
Our
actions
have
taken
a
variety
of
forms,
but
consistently
involve
working
with
law
enforcement,
non-profit
partners
to
both
stop
human
trafficking
and,
as
scarlet
noted
care
for
the
survivors.
C
Let's
now
turn
to
the
commonwealth's
success
stories,
starting
with
operation
united
front
operation
united
front
occurred
in
august
of
this
year
and
is
believed
to
be
the
first
multi-state
human
tracking
operation
of
its
kind.
It
was
the
result
of
coordination
among
12
states
and
29
law
enforcement
agencies
and
partners
across
the
commonwealth
in
kentucky
law
enforcement
partners
made
over
45
arrests
and
assisted
21
victims
of
human
trafficking.
That
includes
two
minors.
C
Our
department
of
criminal
investigations
and
office
of
victims
advocacy
helped
with
this
monumental
effort,
working
with
the
kentucky
state,
police,
homeland
security,
secret
service
and
sheriff's
offices,
as
well
as
law
enforcement
in
lawrenceburg,
mccracken
marshall
and
warren
counties.
In
fact,
one
of
our
detectives
was
involved
in
an
undercover
sting
that
led
to
the
arrest
of
a
police
officer
in
maryland
heights
missouri
for
online
enticement
of
a
minor.
C
This
is
a
big
deal,
and
I
cannot
stress
enough
that
when
we
break
down
silos
and
put
agency
acronyms
aside
that
this
is
what
happens,
that
bad
actors
on
notice
that
this
con
conduct
is
not
welcome
here
in
the
commonwealth,
that
our
streets
are
safer,
that
our
people
can
live
more
freely
again.
This
kind
of
operation
would
not
have
been
possible
without
our
law
enforcement
partners.
C
These
men
and
women
are
the
true
heroes
of
such
stories,
standing
on
the
front
lines
long
before
we
get
up
and
long
after
we've
gone
to
bed
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
we've
trained,
thousands
of
them
on
various
human
trafficking.
Related
topics
specifically
since
house
bill
2,
went
into
affect
our
office
of
trafficking
and
abuse.
Prevention
and
prosecution
has
trained
or
assisted
in
training
over
a
thousand
law
enforcement
officers,
nearly
500
prosecutors
and
around
2
400
private
sector
employees,
including
employees
from
the
kentucky
beer
wholesalers
association.
C
C
It
is
important
to
note
that
our
office
of
trafficking,
abuse,
present
prevention
and
prosecution,
also
known
as
tap,
is
a
result
of
a
reorganization
and
reflects
our
team's
efforts
to
restructure
the
attorney
general's
office
in
a
way
that
makes
addressing
human
trafficking
a
tight
priority.
I'm
proud
of
heather
and
the
executive
director
in
her
role
as
executive
director
and
of
her
entire
team
for
their
efforts
thus
far
earlier
this
year.
C
C
To
that
end,
we
have
a
a
prosecutor:
ria
zakaria,
a
staff
on
staff
dedicated
to
assisting
commonwealths
and
county
attorneys
with
human
trafficking
and
child
abuse
cases.
Finally,
I'd
like
to
talk
a
bit
about
the
your
eyes
saved
lives
campaign
which
mobilizes
citizens,
law
enforcement
and
community
partners
to
recognize
and
report
the
signs
of
human
trafficking.
The
campaign
which
was
funded
by
a
grant
from
the
united
states
department
of
justice
to
the
tune
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
is
built
around
a
simple
concept
when
we
know
and
understand
the
signs
of
human
trafficking.
C
My
eyes
your
eyes
and
the
eyes
of
every
kentuckian
can
help
stop
human
trafficking.
The
initiative
targeted
areas
of
the
commonwealth
with
large
numbers
of
reported
human
trafficking
cases,
especially
trafficking
of
minors.
In
all
the
campaign
placed
39
billboards
in
22
counties,
ran
over
1800
radio
spots
in
30
counties
and
television
ads
in
36
counties
created
a
statewide
social
media
campaign.
C
This
initiative
worked
hand
in
hand
with
house
bill
2,
which
requires
airports
truck
stops,
bus
stations
and
passenger
train
stations
to
post
signs
displaying
the
national
human
trafficking
hotline.
Such
signage,
as
you
can
see,
helps
raise
awareness
about
trafficking
and
increases
the
likelihood
of
it
being
reported.
C
Let
me
conclude
with
saying
we're
addressing
human
trafficking
on
every
front,
but
there's
still
much
work.
Scarlett
noted
and
this
heather
can
talk
to
as
well
work
to
be
done
to
eliminate
the
scourge
from
the
commonwealth
is
too
great
a
task
for
one
person
or
one
agency
to
tackle
loan,
and
we
remain
very
grateful
for
the
help
of
the
general
assembly
and
of
our
prosecutorial
and
law
enforcement
partners
to
to
the
future
of
our
children,
our
most
vulnerable
and
our
commonwealth.
C
B
Thank
you
general.
We
appreciate
you
being
here
real
quick.
I
have
representative
nancy,
tate
and
representative
steve
reilly
are
both
here.
You
do
not
have
to
speak,
but
I
knew
you
are
leading
the
way
here.
If
either
one
of
y'all
steve,
do
you
want
to
come
up
or
so
or
just
in
there
in
case
there's
anything
to
add.
I
know
they're
working
with
your
officer
on
some
legislation.
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
them
speak
if
they
need
to
there
for
a
bit.
D
As
the
ag
pointed
out,
you
know,
I
have
many
of
you
know
that
I
am
involved
in
prison
ministry
and
I've
been
doing
prison
ministry
for
approximately
five
years
and
one
of
the
things
that
the
attorney
general
and
the
and
the
information
that
they
have
been
providing
and
share
hope
internationally.
We've
been
fighting,
have
actually
opened
up
my
eyes
to
what
human
trafficking
is
and
as
I'm
going
into
the
prisons
and
I'm
actually
talking
to
the
women
that
are
in
the
prisons.
D
One
of
the
things
that
I'm
shocked
at
is
their
stories,
and
some
of
the
stories
that
I
have
heard
of
is
that
there's
one
individual
that
I'm
working
with
who
has
been
in
prison,
her
entire
adult
life
and
she's
49..
So
every
time
she
gets
out
of
jail,
then
she
actually
ends
up,
and
so
what
she
has
been
involved
in
is
she's
what
they
call
a
drug,
mule
right,
and
so
she
has
been
exploited
for
for
sexual
acts
as
well
as
to
move
drugs
in
and
out
of
our
smaller
counties.
D
And
so
we
like
to
think
about
it,
as
these
are
things
are
like,
maybe
on
the
border
states
or
maybe
in
the
larger
cities,
but
they're
actually
occurring
in
our
small
rural
counties
as
well.
So
I
just
I've
become
very
aware
of
what
human
trafficking
is
and
I've
always
been
interested
in
it
and
concerned
about
it.
But
with
my
experiences
in
the
prisons
and
working
with
the
women
has
actually
made
me
even
more
and
even
more
determined
to
help
save
their
lives
as
well.
E
Thank
you
I'll
make
my
my
comments
very
short,
this
summer,
representative
tay
and
I
were
at
a
conference
in
nashville,
and
the
topic
was
human
trafficking
and
and
the
stories
that
we
heard
during
that
were
heartbreaking
and
an
indication.
E
Involving
human
trafficking
in
kentucky
and
representative
tate-
and
I
talked
to
each
other
after
that-
that
meeting
and
decided
that
we
would
get
involved
in
this
situation,
and
I
appreciate
all
the
efforts
of
the
attorney
general
and
others
to
try
to
deal
with
this
situation
and-
and
I
know
we'll-
get
something
passed-
that's
very,
very
strong
and
will
help
people
that
have
been
placed
in
these
very
vulnerable
situations.
So
thank
you.
B
G
Thank
you,
a.g
cameron
and
colleagues
and
heather
and
and
scarlett.
This
was
a
great
presentation.
You
know
just
an
observation.
You
know
you
guys
talking
about
you
had
stories
in
nashville
when
I
bring
this
up
to
a
group
of
constituents,
they
don't
really
know
what
I'm
talking
about.
Maybe
some
more
personal
stories
out
there.
You
know
eliminate
the
names
or
whatnot
or
have
it
in
the
past,
so
it
isn't
connected
with
anyone.
There's
so
many
people
confused
when
you
use
the
word
trafficking,
you
know
they
say
well
or
is
he
talking
about
prostitution?
G
Is
he
talking
about
drugs?
What
is
he
talking
about?
It's
kind
of
all
that
so
I
just
think
if
we
there's
some
way
that
it
could
be
made,
and
I
don't
know
what
it
would
be,
leave
it
to
the
more
creative
minds,
just
make
it
more
story-filled
situations,
because
I
do
think
I
have
heard
those
stories
too
nancy
and
it
they'll
break
your
heart.
It's
just
horrible,
but
I
just
don't
think
the
terminology
we
use
is
getting
through
to
a
lot
of
folks
out
there,
and
that
was
just
my
observation.
A
D
And
and
representative
brancher,
I
agree
with
that,
and
I
think
that
whenever
the
ag
talks
about
the
22
counties
that
we
have
information
and
billboards
and
radio
ads,
I
think,
as
we
continue
to
educate
the
general
population
on
what
the
definition
of
human
trafficking
is.
The
ag
reference
that
there
was
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
was
spent
on
that
campaign
to
educate
people,
and
I
think
that
that's
what
we
need
to
do
is
to
continue
to
educate.
D
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
very,
of
course,
I've
referenced,
that
I've
worked
for
ups
and
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
very
proud
of
ups
is
that
they
train
all
of
their
drivers
and
who
are
the
people
that
actually
are
could
be
the
eyes
and
the
ears
other
than
our
transportation
individuals.
D
You
know
they're
at
the
truck
stops
they're
at
all
the
you
know,
the
stores
and
the
places
the
storefronts
and,
and
they
see
these
things,
and
this
gives
them
the
opportunity
to
to
be
involved
in
actually
helping
resolve
this
problem.
So
I
think
education
is
the
key
for
the
general
population,
but
for
us,
as
representative
riley
stated,
it's
our
responsibility
to
tighten
up
the
laws.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
more
of
a
comment
than
a
question,
sir
general
cameron,
thank
you
for
being
with
us
today
and
for
all
those
that
are
presenting
representatives.
Thank
you
all
for
for
your
interest
in
this
very
important
topic.
I
I
go
back
over
a
decade
ago,
when
I
had
a
professor
speak
to
me
from
from
moorhead
dr
elizabeth
b
perkins,
she
was
had
gotten
a
grant
and
was
studying
human
trafficking
here
in
kentucky,
and
so
I
started
questioning
around
with
some
law
enforcement
folks
in
the
in
the
state
and
they're
like
we
ain't
got
a
problem
with
that
in
kentucky.
We
ain't
got
a
problem
with
that
in
kentucky,
and
I'm
like
wait
a
minute.
I
think
we
maybe
do.
I
I
think,
being
ninth,
probably
points
out
that
we
do
and
that's
that's
over
a
decade
ago,
may
be
a
good
resource
to
reach
out
to
dr
perkins.
She
may
be
able
to
help
you
all
on
on
some
of
her
past
research,
but
I
wanted
to
point
out
something
then,
and
now
we
all
tend
to
live
in
our
own
little
world
in
our
own
bubble.
I
We
live
in
our
own
little
communities.
We
associate
with
people,
we
know
that
has
similar
interests
to
us,
but
the
reality
of
the
harsh
world
because
we
live
in
the
most
civilized
nation.
There
is
in
the
history
of
the
world
right
now,
but
there's
still
a
sinister
element,
even
within
our
country
and
within
our
commonwealth,
that
do
sinister
things
that
we
just
can't
fathom.
I
We
really
can't
we
can't
fathom
some
of
the
things
that
they
do,
and
so
we
have
to
not
just
make
people
aware.
We
have
to
be
a
very
aggressive,
as
you
have
been
general
with
your
folks
and
and
and
help
put
a
a
a
stop
to
this
human
trafficking,
because
these
these
people
are
not
just
being
trafficked
in
kentucky
they're,
even
being
sent
out
of
our
country.
I
It's
untold
the
number
of
missing
children
and
individuals
in
kentucky
that
many
think
may
be
deceased.
By
now
that
are
actually
alive
and
have
been
trafficked
somewhere
outside
the
commonwealth
or
even
the
country
and
they're.
You
know
we
owe
it
to
them
and
what
you'll
find
is
generally,
when
you
find
these
people,
you
won't
just
find
one
you'll
find
them
in
groups
because
they're
targeting
very
vulnerable
people.
I
Now
I'm
supportive
of
any
legislation
that
helps
promote
this
cause
of
dealing
with
human
trafficking,
because
it
is
a
problem
that
we
are
faced
with
and
we
can
no
longer
sit
back
and
deny
its
existence
because
it
is
real,
but
I
also
will
stand
and
and
challenge
my
colleagues
that
sits
not
only
on
this
committee,
but
within
the
general
assembly
and
with
all
of
our
local
local
elected
officials
around
this
commonwealth.
I
I
There's
no
need
to
put
legislation
on
the
books
if
we're
not
going
to
provide
the
resources
necessary
for
them
to
get
out
there
and
do
their
jobs.
Now,
we've
been
over
a
past
year
now,
with
and
and
the
new
phrase
is
every
life
matters.
Well.
Does
it
because
these
victims
lives
matter
as
much
as
anybody
else's,
and
we
owe
it
to
every
one
of
those
those
that
are
right
now
that
are
victims
still
living
under
these
sinister
means
and
those
that
have
lost
their
lives
because
of
it?
I
B
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
appreciate
that
and
general
cameron.
I
appreciate
you
being
here
and
first
congratulations
on
house
bill
2.
I
think
that's
an
excellent
step
in
the
right
direction.
Formerly
I
was
an
assistant
attorney
general.
I
mean
as
assistant
ag.
I
was
also
on
megan's
law
team,
so
I
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
prosecuting
sex
offenses
and
I
know
that
is
a
exhausting
but
also
rewarding
job.
J
So
appreciate
that
my
question
is,
is
how
many
of
the
actual
traffickers
are
being
arrested,
and
I
and
I
kind
of
know
the
answer.
I
know
that
it's
very
very
few,
as
opposed
to
the
john's
or
the
the
victim
prosecutor,
the
prostitutes,
but
my
understanding
is
there's
only
one
investigator
through
the
ag's
office
right
now
and
what
funding
do
you
need
from
the
legislature
to
increase
that
so
that
they
do
have
the
resources
to
actually
make
these
arrests
and
fitted
in?
J
We
have
the
legislation
in
place
and
I
think
that's
excellent,
but
what
is
it
that
it
needs?
As
far
as
funding
to
increase
that
we
have
more
investigators
to
actually
the
resources,
we
need
to
actually
solve
some
of
these
crimes
stop
the
traffickers,
and
I
appreciate
that.
C
Senator
hayes,
I
appreciate
that
question.
We
are
always
in
the
in
the
disposition
of
of
wanting
a
few
extra
dollars,
if
you
all
are,
are
willing
to
give
it
to
us,
especially
on
an
issue
so
important
as
as
human
trafficking.
C
You
know,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
speaks
to
what
representative
blanton
mentioned
and
also
what
I
think
you're
alluding
to
is.
You
know
you
have
to
have
some
dollars
in
the
door
to
be
able
to
have
these
robust
operations.
C
I
think
what
we
saw
with
operation
united
front
was
an
effort
to
say
that
when
refor
re
resources
are
focused
in
a
particular
position
or
at
a
particular
issue,
we
can
make
a
substantial
impact
and
a
lot
of
change,
and
just
in
that
one
operation,
when
you're
able
to
arrest,
45
individuals
and
then
pull
22
suspected
folks
out
of
some
bad
victims
out
of
some
bad
trafficking
situations.
C
I
think
that's
a
telltale
sign
of
what
can
happen
when
you
have
additional
resources,
so
any
additional
dollars
we
can
get
to
help
fund
additional
investigators.
We
would
be
honored
to
receive
them,
because
we
know
that
they
would
go
to
important
work
in
our
office
and
and
in
helping
improve
upon
the
the
efforts
that
we're
already
undertaking
to
to
push
back
against
the
scourge.
J
Thank
you
and
general.
Thank
you.
Having
come
from
louisville
on
the
metro
council,
you
know.
Obviously
it's
still
a
major
issue
here
in
louisville,
and
I
know
that
you
know
that
well
and
I
see
mrs
hudson's
taking
her
head
as
well.
My
understanding
still
today
there
is
not
one
investigator,
not
not
one
dedicated
human
trafficking
detective
in
in
metro
louisville,
and
I
I
know
that
working
when
I
was
on
megan's
law
team,
we
were
able
to
assist
a
lot.
You
know
in
several
years
a
lot
of
the
local
level.
J
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
work
with
your
office
and
trying
to
build
that
dialogue
all
the
way
down
to
the
lmpd
to
see
if
we
can
potentially
continue
to
work
together.
You
mentioned
bill
to
you
know
some
of
the.
Where
you
take
several
different
levels
of
government,
I'm
working
together
and
being
successful.
J
I
know
louisville's
struggling,
they
need
help
there
and
so,
if
you're,
the
one
investigator
at
the
ag's
office,
if
he's
retiring,
I'm
just
worried
about
the
near
future
and
it's
hoping
maybe
we
can
get
a
conversation
going
to
address
this,
because
it's
definitely
a
major
concern
in
louisville.
C
B
Thank
you
senator
and
thank
you
for
your
work
that
you've
done
in
the
past
there
we
appreciate
it.
Senator
meredith
has
a
question.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
I'm
not
sure
with
your
questions
comment,
but
first
just
like
to
commend
representative
blanton.
I
think
what
you
said
was
well
spoken
and
certainly
a
hit
to
the
heart
of
the
matter,
and
I
appreciate
you
doing
that.
You
know
one
of
the
most
disturbing
statistics
I've
heard
since
I've
been
in
the
senate
over
five
years,
a
group
of
physicians
from
university
of
kentucky
said
that
in
1900s
the
human
brain
was
fully
developed
at
18
years
of
age.
K
Today,
it's
25
plus
I
mentioned
that
because
I
think
it's
particularly
alarming,
with
during
mrs
hudson's
testimony
that
she
mentioned
that
the
16
year
old
was
able
to
make
a
decision
that
she
was
going
to
stay
in
that
environment
and
I'm
just
I'm
just
obviously
shocked
by
that
appalled
by
that
you
kind
of
baited
us
a
little
bit
that
we're
going
to
see
some
legislation
without
giving
specifics
as
to
what
that
legislation
is,
and
I
think
you
you
know
we
can
great
deal
support,
but
just
I
guess
I
want
to
plant
that
seed
that
I
hope
that's
something
that
well.
K
D
Senator
meredith,
if
you,
if
I
may,
I
would
like
to
reply
to
that
as
you're
aware
in
the
state
of
kentucky,
the
age
of
consent
is
16.,
and
so
therefore
that's
why
that
situation.
So
you
know,
maybe
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
might
want
to
look
at.
B
All
right
that
we've
gotten
to
the
bottom
of
the
list
of
questions
we
do
want
to
thank
everyone
for
being
here,
general
heather.
We
appreciate
both
y'all
coming
congratulations
and
coming
in
january,
we're
all
going
to
be
watching
anxiously
there
so
but
thank
y'all
and
what
we'll
do
is
well.
I
think
nancy
you
might
be
staying
at
the
table.
I
believe,
but
I
forgot
to
approve
the
minutes.
Can
I
entertain
a
motion?
I
got
a
motion.
B
D
Again,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
present
today,
and
so
obviously
this
is
another
difficult
presentation
and
it's
certainly
not
my
favorite
topic
to
talk
about,
but
it's
certainly
again
one
of
the
realities
that
we
need
to
address
in
our
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
D
So
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
each
one
of
these
slides
because
I
know
you
guys
can
read
very
well,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
talk
about
is
is
that,
first
of
all,
there's
several
people
that
have
participated
in
creating
a
new
pro-life
omnibus
bill,
new
legislation
that
will
be
presented
later
this
year,
and
so
members
in
both
the
house
and
the
senate
have
participated
in
this,
and
I
very
much
appreciate
the
support
from
specifically
representative
gribbens,
printing
representative
bentley
fisher
and
beckler
and
then
of
course,
senators
as
well
one
of
the
things
that,
as
we've
talked
about
earlier,
you
know
and
from
the
parental
consent.
D
I
think
that
parental
consent
is
very
important
for
us.
You
know
2020
was
difficult
for
a
lot
of
different
perspectives,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
observed
in
2020
was
that
traditionally
3
000
abortions
occur
in
the
state
of
kentucky,
and
so
what
we
saw
was
that
there
was
an
additional
thousand,
so
we
reached
over
four
thousand
and
some
of
the
statistics
that
actually
concerned
us
is
that
the
number
of
minors-
and
so
we
saw
going
back
to
the
actual
statistics
that
come
from
the
department,
kentucky
department
of
public
health.
D
We
saw
that
there
were
children
and
children
as
young
as
13
that
were
having
abortions
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
and
that
is
so
difficult
for
us
to
absorb.
But
that
is
that's.
We
saw
as
many
as
children,
age,
14
and
under
average
13
abortions
a
year
and
then
also
we
saw
children
from
15
to
19
average
312
a
year.
So
it's
very
important
for
us
to
make
sure
that
these
children
have
the
parental
consent
before
they
have.
Such
a
life-altering
decision
make
such
a
life-altering
decision.
You
know
in
the
schools.
D
We
talked
a
little
bit
just
a
few
minutes
ago
with
the
ag
about
human
trafficking,
and
so
we
don't
know
how
many
of
the
individuals
that
are
seeking
abortions
in
the
state
of
kentucky
are
doing
so
because
they
have
been
bribed
or
forced
or
forced
to
participate
in
activities
like
that.
But
there's
a
direct
correlation,
and
I
think
that,
from
our
perspective,
it's
very
important
for
us
to
make
sure
that
the
minors
are
not
seeking.
These
abortions
based
on
influence
are
being
pressured
from
outside.
D
We
also
want
to
make
sure
that
that
financial
reasons
that,
if
a
minor
again
a
minor,
seeks
an
abortion
that
they're
not
doing
that
because,
for
whatever
reason,
they
cannot
get
assistance
from
their
parents
or
from
the
state
or
federal
government,
or
actually
from
some
of
the
great
non-profit
organizations
that
we
have.
So
we
obviously
want
to
make
sure
that,
there's,
if
there's
a
medical
emergency,
that
the
children,
these
children
again
are
provided
the
assistance
that
they
need.
D
D
We
will
create
a
subject
to
discipline
for
discipline,
actions
by
the
kentucky
board
of
medical
licensures.
And
then
you
can
see
that
some
of
the
recommendations
are
some
of
the
felonies.
Maybe
some
of
the
things
that
would
be
done
for
the
people
who
are
actually
performing
these
abortions
without
parental
consent
or
without
actually
making
sure
that
the
individuals
that
are
seeking
these
are
not
being
cohorsed
or
bribed
and
that
they
have
the
mental
capacity
that
they
need
to
make
the
decisions
for
these
life-altering.
D
The
next
thing
I'd
like
to
talk
about
is
the
chemical
abortions.
We've
had
a
lot
of
legislation,
that's
been
passed
about
chemical
abortions,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
too,
where
and
how
this
these
medication,
these
drugs
are
being
administered
and
nationally.
The
statistic
is:
is
a
60
of
the
abortions
that
are
being
done,
are
done
with
chemical
abortions
and
in
the
state
of
kentucky
it's
a
little
over
50
percent
that
are
being
done.
D
So,
therefore,
with
those
statistics
in
mind,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
proper
legislation
in
place
in
order
to
protect
the
individuals.
From
my
perspective,
it
would
be
very
unfortunate
for
individuals
to
receive
mail-order
medication
and
not
to
have
the
the
advice
receive
the
advice
from
their
doctors.
We've
talked
a
lot
about
how
important
it
is
for
the
doctors
to
be
involved
and
to
give
the
advice
to
the
patients.
You
know
they
need
to
understand
what
the
implications
are.
D
Some
of
them
aren't
aware
that,
after
they
take
the
drugs,
what
the
results
could
possibly
be
some
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
physicians
provide
is
that
the
provisions
when
they
are
administering
the
medical
and
chemical
drugs
for
the
abortions
that
they
examine
the
person,
the
patient
and
person
that
they
verify
that
there
is
in
fact
a
pregnancy
that
they
determine
if
there's
an
rh
factor,
because
we
all
understand
that
if
there's
an
rh
factor
that
follow-up
medication
needs
to
be
administered,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
they,
the
patient,
understands
what
the
results
are
from.
D
From
the
result
of
that
medication,
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
follow-up.
You
know,
there's
lots
of
opportunities
for
medical
complications
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
and
then
make
sure
that
if
the
person
doesn't
return
from
that
follow-up
that
they
have
that
they
do
receive
the.
D
And
this
is
just
a
little
bit
about
them,
some
of
the
other
information
that
we're
going
to
be
requesting
or
recommending
that
we
provide.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
what
is
the
age
of
this
gestational
age
of
the
human
child
as
it's
being
removed
from
the
uterus.
We
also
want
to
make
sure
that
what
are
the
steps
that
will
again
what
are
some
of
the
steps
that
will
occur.
D
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
I'm
losing
my
place
here
just
a
little
bit,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
physician
is
subject
to
malpractice
if
they
administer
the
drugs
without
the
providing
information
to
the
patient
without
follow-ups,
without
making
sure
that
the
patients
receive
all
the
assistance
that
they
need
and
that
they
also
have
access
and
information
for
the
abortion
pill
reversal
process.
D
Some
of
the
women
that
are
actually
being
involved
in
these
situations
need
to
make
they
make
decisions
later
on
once
they
have
the
information
and
have
an
opportunity
to
reflect
on
the
life
implicating
decisions
that
they're
making.
They
want
to
go
back
and
say
I
don't
want
to
do
this.
I
want
to
reverse
the
process
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
aware
that
there's
an
opportunity
for
them
to
do
that.
D
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
distribute
and
monitor
the
distribution
of
these
drugs,
that
the
kentucky
board
of
pharmacy
will
create
the
kentucky
abortion
inducing
drug
certification
program,
we're
working
with
the
board
of
pharmacy
to
ensure
that
they
can
do
that
and
what
they
would
need
to
do.
In
order
to
be
able
to
provide
that
information.
D
Human
remains,
you
know
this
is
a.
This
is
a
another
subject.
That's
very
important
to
me.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
whenever
the
human
babies
that
their
remains
are
treated
in
a
dignified
manner
and
that
they
are
not
treated
as
just
like
any
kind
of
other
medical
ways
that
the
parents
have
the
opportunity
to
make
the
decisions
of
what's
going
to
happen
with
these
human
babies
once
they
are,
they
for
their
remains
are
available.
D
D
You
know-
and
I
to
this
date
I
do
not
know
and
I'm
sure
quite
confident
that
my
babies
were
treated
as
human
remains
or
actually
as
medical
waste,
and
so
that's
very
sad
to
me,
as
I
become
an
a
mature
adult
and
now
I'll
reflect
back
on
that,
and
I
feel
quite
confident
that
if
the
doctors
had
asked
me
what
I
wanted
to
happen
to
my
human
babies,
that
I
would
have
made
a
different
decision.
D
So
this
is
this
is
some
of
the
things
that,
within
the
24
hours,
we'll
ask
the
the
parents
what
they
want
to
do
and
if
it's
outside
of
the
responsibility
of
what
the
hospitals
or
what
they
do,
then
the
parents
can
make
the
decision
of
whether
they
want
to
pay.
For
that.
We
don't
want
to
make
any
undue
burden
for
financial
burden
for
other
organizations,
but
we
certainly
want
to
make
sure
that
the
parents
have
that
opportunity
public
funding.
D
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
when
pode
80
percent
of
the
taxpayers
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
will
say
that
they
don't
want
their
tax
dollars
to
go
toward
funding
abortions,
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
accommodate
that.
This
is
very
similar
to
the
height
amendment
and
that
has
been
from
a
bipartisan
perspective,
been
supported
on
a
national
and
local
level,
and
so
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
do
that
and
to
respect
every
single,
precious
dollar
that
we
receive
from
the
taxpayers.
D
Some
of
the
complications
that
we
know
of
that
occur
from
abortions
could
possibly
be
a
perforated
uterus,
bleeding
infection,
hemorrhaging
blood
clots
and
then
actually
failure
to
terminate
the
pregnancy.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
what
occurs
during
these
abortions,
especially
if
there's
complications
and
to
ensure
that
the
patient
received
the
health
care
that
they
needed,
and
this
information
would
be
would
also
be
included
on
the
vital
statistics
report
that
would
be
available
to
us,
as
well
as
the
other
people
that
need
access
to
it.
D
D
What
we
want
to
make
sure
is
that
medical
providers
have
the
opportunity
to
again
consult
provide
the
valuable
information
to
the
patients.
You
know
all
of
us-
and
I
one
of
the
things
that
I
constantly
hear
when
we
talk
about
medical
conscience-
is
that
you
know
even
my
family
and
friends
have
chosen
to
be
or
part
of,
I
I
want
to
retract
the
word
chosen,
but
are
part
of
the
lbtq
organization
or
administration
or
identification.
D
Whatever
word
you
want
to
use,
and
I
want
to
use
to
be
sensitive,
but
they
can
be
classified
as
that,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
make
sure
is
that
the
medical
conscience,
nothing
that
we
would
do,
would
actually
hurt
those
individuals.
It
would
actually
help
those
individuals
to
make
sure
that
they
receive
the
proper
medical
advice
from
their
doctors.
D
Sometimes
whenever
we're
young,
as
senator
meredith,
spoke
about
earlier,
our
human,
our
ability
to
make
decisions
at
this
point-
statistically,
I
think,
is
age
25,
and
so
all
of
us
know
that,
sometimes
that
we
make
decisions
when
we're
young
people
that
will
affect
this
for
the
rest
of
our
lives.
And
so,
therefore,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
medical
providers
gains
the
maturity
level
of
the
individuals
who
might
want
to
make
life-altering
decisions
again.
H
Thank
you,
representative,
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
it's
an
honor
to
be
here
today
and
you
know
the
name
of
this
bill
has
been
given
the
name,
humanity
and
health
care
act,
and
that's
really
what
it
is
broad
sweeping
piece
of
legislation.
It
is
a
response
to
many
of
you
and
to
leadership
that
says
you
know.
Normally
we
see
what
we
used
to
call
a
christmas
tree
or
an
omnibus
approach.
At
the
end
of
session.
H
You
would
compile
things
together
that
are
are
germane
subjects,
but
the
the
request
and
the
advice
of
members
and
leadership
was
to
let's
go.
Let's
begin
early,
let's
put
these
germain
and
very
important
subjects
that
are
around
abortion,
but
more
than
that,
it's
really
about
the
health
care
of
minors,
the
health
care,
enhancing
the
health
care
of
women
assuring
there
is
a
medical
conscience
call
for
healthcare
providers.
H
So
it
really
is
a
very
multi-faceted
healthcare,
humanity
and
healthcare,
even
including
the
care
of
the
dignified
care
for
the
remains
fetal
or
child
remains
that
they
not
be
treated
as
medical
waste
or
medical
byproducts,
but
respectfully
here
in
the
commonwealth,
and
really
reflects
the
values
of
the
citizens
here
in
our
commonwealth,
including
how
we
fund
these
procedures
in
termination
of
a
pregnancy
is
always
a
difficult
decision.
The
piece
about
minors
must
always
respect
the
1979
supreme
court
decision
that
you
have
judicial
bypass.
H
At
the
same
time,
it's
you
have
the
parental
consent
currently
on
your
books,
but,
as
representative
takes
it,
it
needs
it's
time
to
enhance
it
and
update.
So
it's
an
update
of
parental
consent
still
reflected
that
judicial
bypass,
which
is
a
lot
which
means
is
an
exception
allowed
by
the
supreme
court
or
required
in
states
that
have
judicial
con
permission.
H
The
area
of
women's
health
very
important,
I
think
to
all
of
us,
is
to
ensure
that
rh
negative
women,
which
represent
about
15
percent
of
the
caucasian
population
or
white
population,
six
percent
of
the
african-american
population-
that
the
it
doesn't
impact
that
first
pregnancy,
but
it
does
impact
later
pregnancies
if
she
is
rh
negative
and
then
has
an
rh,
positive
child
or
pregnancy,
and
it
could
cause
a
fetal
incompatibility
later
because
of
the
mixed
gene
of
the
blood.
H
So
it's
important
that
those
providers,
those
healthcare
providers-
that
are
abortion
providers-
we
don't
know
you
don't
know
as
a
general
sibley.
Do
they
take
that
into
consideration.
There
is
a
standard
of
medical
practice
that
would
be
required
if
someone's
rh
negative.
So
when
I
say
that
this
is
this
is
good.
H
Medicine
reflected
in
this
piece
of
legislation
is
good
health
care,
good
medicine
addressing
many
areas,
one
of
the
biggest
areas
that
we
have
now
reflecting
over
50
percent
of
the
abortions
that
are
performed
are
chemical
and
medical
abortions
and
our
guest
from
sue
libel
is
going
to
talk
to
that
and
why
it's
important?
We
talked
about
the
abortion
statistics.
I
did
want
to
add:
we
see
abortions
are
going
to
be
at
about
4
000
this
year.
Those
are
the
ones
that
provide
abortions,
provided
here
in
the
commonwealth
by
providers
here
in
the
commonwealth.
H
We
know
that
there
are
women,
especially
along
the
southern
border,
which
would
go
to
the
southern
state,
possibly
to
tennessee.
We
know
along
the
borders
in
northern
kentucky.
They
may
be
going
over
to
hamilton
county
where
ohio
tracks
about
20
000
abortions
a
year.
We
know
some
that
are
going
to
bloomington
indiana,
and
we
know
that
there
is
advertised
in
online
online
advertisement
for
by
abortion
providers
is
very
prevalent,
so
we
know
that
women
are
and
girls
are
seeking
care
out
of
state.
H
So,
even
though
we
have
a
number
of
4
000,
that
does
not
totally
reflect
the
number
of
procedures
done
here
in
the
state.
The
jurisdiction
of
this
general
assembly,
of
course,
is
those
performed
here
in
the
state.
Statistical
reporting
is
very
important,
so
the
enhancement
to
the
statistical
reporting
that
you
already
have
passed
by
this
general
assembly
is
just
that
of
rh
factor
treatment.
H
H
Respect
for
this
journal
is
something
that
you're
taking
this
broad
approach
across
from
woman
to
child,
to
remain
to
health
care
provider
in
this
very
comprehensive
bill
and
to
begin
with
it
early
in
the
session,
not
at
the
end,
when
you're
trying
to
compile
things
together,
but
to
complete
it
here
so
representative,
tate
and
all
the
members
that
worked
on
this,
I
just
say
thank
you
and
from
kentucky
right
to
life
all
our
chapters
throughout
the
state
and
our
pro-life
partners
and
pro-women
health
partners.
H
We've
looked
at
this
and
add
our
support
to
this
piece
of
legislation
going
forward.
I
think
now
a
little
bit
more
information,
especially
on
chemical
abortions,
which
is
much
more
complicated
area.
L
L
L
It
is
done
on
later
in
pregnancy,
further
along,
it
is
not
the
morning
after
pill.
The
morning
after
pill
is
now
available
over
the
counter
in
most
drug
stores.
This
is
these.
Drugs
are
for
aborting
pregnancies
that
are
further
along
on
when
the
baby
is
larger
and
the
first
drug
mephipristone
starves
the
baby
by
blocking
the
natural
nutrient
hormone
progesterone,
which
is
what
goes
into
the
womb
from
her
body
to
to
provide
nutrients
to
the
baby.
L
It
blocks
that
so
the
baby
starves
and
then
the
second
drug
misoprostol
begins
labor,
to
expel
the
baby
and
to
abortion
minded
women.
It
seems
easier
to
take
the
drugs,
but
in
actuality
it
is
fraught
with
medical
landmines
that
can
hurt
women.
You
may
not
be
aware,
I
I
guess
you
are
now
that
surgical
abortion
is
now
outpaced.
Excuse
me,
chemical
abortion
has
now
outpaced
surgical
abortion
in
the
state
of
kentucky,
it's
more
than
50
percent.
Now
this
chemical
procedure
of
ru-486,
this
is
a
new
frontier
and
it
has
snuck
up
on
most
states.
L
Actually,
I
get
to
go
around
the
country.
I
have
the
privilege
of
working
with
legislators
all
over
the
country
on
this.
Abortion
activists
have
been
quietly
building
a
whole
new
business
model
to
target
young
women
on
their
phones
to
click,
get
information
and
receive
abortion
drug
by
mail.
This
is
the
goal
that
would
make
every
bathroom
whether
it's
in
our
own
homes
or
in
the
dorm
bathroom
an
abortion
clinic
this
bill
modernizes
kentucky
laws
to
align
with
the
pharmaceutical
dangers
of
chemical
abortion.
L
The
fda
is
expected
to
drop
these
key
health
provisions
and
it's
up
to
the
states.
Now
it's
it's
up
to
you
in
this
bill
are
the
same
protocols
and
safeguards
adopted
by
the
fda
under
presidents,
clinton
and
obama
that
require
doctors
to
use
some
basic
health
tests,
like
blood
testing
and
an
exam
to
rule
out
certain
pre-existing
conditions
to
assure
that
the
drugs
won't
hurt
a
woman
before
she
takes
them.
Just
like
every
other
drug
were
given
by
our
doctors.
L
They
want
to
rule
out
any
pre-existing
conditions
or
contraindications,
but
there's
an
irony
here
that
I
don't
want
you
to
miss
chemical
abortion
drugs.
This
regimen
is
more
dangerous
than
a
surgical
abortion.
Women
who
take
the
drugs
are
at
four
times
greater
risk
of
painful
complications.
They
can
get
sicker
faster,
they
can
go
septic
faster,
which
is
a
problem
for
rural
women,
and
many
of
them
are
likely
to
end
up
in
your
emergency
rooms.
L
We
hear
anecdotal
evidence
of
ambulance
drivers
that
are
getting
more
and
more
9-1-1
calls
from
her
home
or
her
dorm
or
wherever
she's
living
five
to
eight
percent
fail
in
the
first
trimester
and
require
surgery
to
fix
that,
and
almost
40
percent
fail
in
the
second
trimester
accurately
documenting
the
gestational
age
of
the
baby
is
critical,
because
if
the
doctor
underestimates
the
size
of
the
baby,
it'll
result
in
even
further
failure
rates.
L
The
numbers
skyrocket
every
week
after
10
weeks
and
if
the
location
of
the
baby
is
in
her
fallopian
tube,
which
is
called
an
ectopic
pregnancy.
Women
are
30
percent,
more
likely
to
die
when
they
take
these
drugs
than
if
they'd
not
chosen.
Abortion
in
the
first
place.
There's
a
reason
for
that.
I'm
happy
to
explain
more,
but
only
an
exam
can
find
that
ectopic
a
pregnancy
location.
L
L
We've
seen
in
the
courts,
she
could
take
the
wrong
dose
or
she
could
take
them
further
along
in
her
pregnancy,
when
they're
not
safe
for
her
and
I've
heard
many
heartbreaking
stories
from
actual
women
of
the
severe
pain
and
the
great
blood
loss
that
they
go
through
and
then
seeing
the
horror
of
seeing
what's
left,
of
their
baby
on
or
about
november.
First,
the
fda
is
poised
to
remove
these
safety
and
health
measures
to
allow
mail
order
or
what
the
industry
calls
diy.
L
Or
do
it
yourself.
Abortions
at
home,
the
abortion
industry
prefers
it
because
it's
more
lucrative
and
the
fda
is
going
right
along,
but
chemical,
abortion
is
a
risky
business
and
we're
one
bad
bureaucratic
decision
away
from
a
radical
expansion
of
the
abortion
industry
without
the
usual
medical
oversight.
And
so
you
can
act
now.
You
can
be
preemptive
and
help
protect
the
health
and
safety
of
women
in
kentucky.
B
All
right:
well,
we
thank
you
all
for
your
testimony,
representative
or
tate.
I'm
sorry,
representative,
gibbons
pruntny
is
online
and
I
think
representative,
bratcher
or
beckler
is
here
in
town
or
here
in
the
room.
So
I
did
not
know
if
either
one
of
them
want
to
comment
representative
parente.
Do
you
have
any
comments
from
out
there.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
would
be
there
with
you
in
person,
except
I'm
going
through
some
things
right
now,
but
I
brought
the
parental
consent
piece
to
the
bill
from
a
constituent
who
basically
was
forced
to
have
an
abortion
as
a
teenager
by
her
parents,
and
she
wanted
to
stop
that
in
kentucky,
but
with
parental
rights.
H
We
we
couldn't
go
that
far
with
that
couple
years
ago,
but
she's
the
one
that
brought
the
fact
that
florida
had
updated
their
a
parental
consent
laws
recently,
and
she
brought
that
to
me-
and
I
just
want
our
voice
to
be
in
this,
and
I
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
of
representing
tate
and
putting
all
this
together.
I
think
all
the
pieces
are
very,
very
important
and
I
commend
idea
for
adding
the
rh
factor.
H
I
I
hadn't
even
considered
that
I'm
rh
negative
and
and
for
women
not
to
know
that
would
be
very
critical,
so
I
just
hope
and
pray
that
our
the
entire
general
assembly
will
consider
this
and
and
move
it
forward.
So
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
and
thank
you,
ladies
for
your
great
job
today,.
B
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
am
going
to
be
short
and
yeah.
I
would
be
a
yes
on
this.
Definitely
I
think
that
the
the
bill
is
a
is
a
great
one.
I
think
that
abortion
is
is
murder,
and
you
know
I
can
answer
any
questions
that
may
come
up
with
regard
to
my
piece
of
the
bill.
Thank
you.
B
All
right,
if
you
want
to
hang
up,
hang
out
up
front
now.
We
do
have
a
few
questions,
I'm
going
to
let
them
go
ahead,
but
we
do
have
a
couple
people
that
do
want
to
speak
on
this
bill.
Also,
so
we'll
get
these
three
questions
out
of
the
way
and
then
let's
hold
off
on
that.
We'll
hear
hear
some
more
testimony
representative.
G
Bratcher,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
representative,
tate
and
adia.
I
want
to
thank
you
especially
for
facilitating
the
baby
box
in
fern
creek.
That
was
a
that
was
a
great
thing
and
many
people
were
happy
with
that.
Could
you
just
briefly
go
over
the
medical?
What's
the
word
medical.
G
D
Yep
well
one
of
the
things.
What
would
this
do
yeah?
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
add
to
this
is
too
that
this
medical
conscience
would
also
you
know.
We've
heard
situations
where
a
police
officer
has
been
at
an
abortion
clinic
and
civilian
clothes.
It
has
been
removed
from
their
position
or
put
on
administrative
leave.
So
this
would
give
individuals
like
that
the
opportunity
to
to
to
express
their
rights.
D
This
would
also
give
an
individual
who
is
maybe
a
in
a
going
through
to
be
a
medical
doctor,
and
yet
they
express
their
concerns
and
that
they
are
pro-life
and
yet
they're
removed
from
the
education
opportunities.
So
this
this
is.
This
is
not
just
in
regards
to
medical
providers,
but
it
would
protect
them.
You
know
my
brother
is
a
nurse
and
ethicist,
and
so
he
has
lost
several
contracts
because
of
his
pro-life
position,
which
is
fine,
I
mean
obviously
in
the
free
enterprise.
D
That's
what
happens,
but
it
would
be
a
shame
if
he
were
to
lose
his
job
because
he
would
refuse
to
to
perform
abortions
when
there
isn't
a
a
nurse
and
at
the
census,
nurse
an
ethicist
or
an
anathesis.
That
could
actually
provide
that
surgery
right.
So
this
would
provide
an
individual
individual
like
him.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
am
doing
my
best
to
go
through
this
this
bill
and
as
yes,
I
can't
call
myself
a
freshman
senator
since
we're
coming
on
the
second
term,
but
I'm
going
through.
It
looks
like
obviously
there's
a
whole
lot
of
things
in
here.
I
talked
just
briefly
with
general
cameron
about
my
experience
as
assistant
attorney
general.
I'm
prosecuting
sex,
offenses
and
representing
victims,
and
often
those
victims
were
victims
of
sexual
assault,
rape,
incest
and
a
lot
of
times.
J
Even
some
of
the
sickest
things
you
can
imagine,
including
fathers
and
and
whatnot.
I
had
a
couple
questions
about
the
the
requirement
of
a
father's
signature
and
it
goes
on
and
looking
through.
It
talks
about
the
fetal
tissue
regulation
on
here
and
first
would
that
require
the
signatures
of
a
father,
even
in
the
point
of
a
miscarriage
or
in
the
event
that
there
is
some
type
of
sexual
assault
and
then
second,
in
the
event
that
that
the
mom
or
the
woman
just
has
a
miscarriage
or
a
stillborn.
J
Would
she
still
have
to
make
a
determination
on
how
to
have
a
sign
on
how
to
dispose
of
that,
and
then
there
there's
something
about
the
funeral
homes?
Are
we
going
to
expend
this
where
the
funeral
homes
actually
have
to
contract
with
health
care
providers,
and
so
to
me
that
that
was
one
step
and
then
finally
one
that
really
worried
me,
and
maybe
you
can
expand
on
it?
Maybe
it's
just.
J
It
has
to
be
broken
into,
but
an
example
at
the
the
university
of
louisville
hospital,
if
someone's
taken
to
the
hospital-
and
there
is
a
threat
to
the
the
life
of
this
mother
or
the
pregnant
individual
in
the
event
that
they
tell
them
hey,
you
need
to
have
an
abortion.
This
could
threaten
your
life.
Would
that
could
they
face
defunding
in
that
scenario
again
these?
J
These
are
just
questions
that
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
and
if
you
could,
I
know
that
this
psalmist
so
there's
so
much
into
it,
but
I've
broken
down
just
a
few
things.
I've
been
going
through
and
highlighting
as
you're
speaking
and
you
could
just
kind
of
we
could
address
those
one
by
one.
That'd
be
helpful.
D
Yeah,
I'm
not
real
sure
that
I
can
remember
all
of
them
that
you
asked,
but
one
of
the
questions
one
at
a
time
right,
yeah
one
of
them
is
obviously
if
you
know
when
I
gave
the
example
of
a
stillborn.
You
know
where
I
had
a
miscarriage,
so
this
would
actually
give
the
mother
the
parents
the
opportunity
to
make
a
decision,
so
it
would
offer
them
the
opportunity
of
how
their
the
human
remains
of
their
baby
would
be
treated.
So
there's
no
report,
no
remember.
J
D
Exactly
right
it
would,
it
would
offer
them
the
opportunity.
That's
correct
one
of
the
things
too,
that
we
know
going
back
to
the
funeral
homes.
You
know,
I
don't
know
if
you're
aware
of
this,
but
several
funeral
homes
actually
provide
the
opportunity
for
if
there's
a
baby,
that
is
still
born,
that
they
will
provide
those
services
for
free.
So
this
is
not
an
obligation.
D
D
D
That,
if
that's
what
that
was
some
some
some
some
women
actually
want
that
decision
right,
because
we
we
recognize
it
as
a
human
baby.
You
know
it's
not.
It
should
not
be
treated
as
medical
waste,
it
should
not
be
thrown
into
an
incinerator,
it
should
be
treated
with
dignity
and
then,
therefore,
it
should
be
disposed
of
on
an
individual
basis
right.
So
the
parent
gets
that
opportunity
to
make
that
decision.
J
The
one
that
was
the
signature
requirement-
and
I
think
you
kind
of
addressed
that
it's
not
necessary,
so
it
doesn't
take
a
father
signature
on
the
how
to
deal
with
the
fetal
tissue
regulation
on
part
of
the
bill.
Is
that
correct.
H
Yeah,
yes,
it
is,
I
think
what
you're
referring
to
is
is
the
both
parents
or
the
other
or
the
father's
signature.
You
know,
they're
looking
at
fetal
or
child
remains,
there's
there's
some
other
states
that
have
already
passed
laws
that
have
been
upheld
in
the
sort
of
models
after
those
and
so
respectful
of
wherever
this
fetal
demise
occurs,
whether
it's
at
a
abortion
facility
or
in
a
healthcare
facility.
H
H
If
not,
if
the
child
remains
with
the
facility,
it
just
outlines
what
that
course
of
action
should
be
that
the
child
or
fetal
remains
no
matter
what
facility
this
occurs
in
will
no
longer
be
treated
or
will
not
be
treated
as
medical
waste
or
disposed
of,
or
mixed
with
other
tissue
elements,
tumors
and
and
other
things
that
will
be
respectful
of
that
and
the
dignity
of
that
human
child.
No
matter
what
environment,
hospital,
health
care
or
their
or
abortion
facility.
J
No
matter
how
yeah
yeah,
no
I'm
definitely
well,
I
guess
it
does
in
kind
of
disclosure
I
went,
you
know
we
went
about
two
years
doing
ivf
unsuccessfully,
and
I
just
don't
remember
there
were
several
issues.
I
don't
remember
that
ever
being
you
know
part
of
the
conversation,
but
again
it
was
very
early
on
and
I
don't
know
if
that
makes
a
distinction.
It
doesn't
look
like
it
does
in
this
field,
but
the
one
that
really
worried
me
was
the
defunding
I
mean
so
I
think
about
the
university
of
louisville
hospital.
J
If
a
medical
doctor
gives
medical
divide-
and
I
may
be
misreading
this,
but
that
lawyer
may
read
the
plain
language
of
the
law-
and
maybe
some
things
can
be
interpreted
differently,
but
it's
almost
the
the
kind
of
the
gag
rule
that
if
a
physician
says
this
is
dangerous
for
the
mother's
life,
I
recommend
that
she
needs
an
abortion
for
her
her
life
or
you
know
this
is
what
you
do
it
just
reading
it
on
its
face.
D
Yeah,
I
think
that
the
mother,
the
health
of
the
mother,
will
always
be
taken
into
consideration
right
and
I
think-
and
I'm
not
going
to
discredit
that,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
point
out
too,
is
that
you,
you
talked
a
little
bit
earlier
about
rape
and
incest
and
the
and
the
health
of
the
mother.
You
know
I
can
talk
specifically
about
in
the
state
of
kentucky,
and
I
think,
last
year
there
was
only
one
case
where
it
was
actually
considered
to
be
a
medical.
D
D
I
also
want
to
talk
just
a
little
bit
about
rape
and
incest
too,
whenever
you
when,
when,
when
we
talk
about
that,
you
know
when,
in
a
rape
situation
there's
more
than
one
victim
right
there,
it's
they
could
be
there's
only
there
could
be
more
than
one
survivor
right.
So
if
there's
an
a
human
baby,
that's
created
from
that
tragedy,
then
the
life
of
that
human
baby
needs
to
be
treated
with
dignity
and
respect
as
well.
D
So
I
don't
know
if
you've
ever
had
the
experience
of
meeting
a
an
individual
who
was
conceived
from
such
a
vile
act,
but
I
have
and
senator
excuse
me.
Representative
bratcher
spoke
earlier
about
the
safe
haven,
baby
box,
and
so
the
president
and
ceo
of
safe
haven,
baby
box,
monica
kelsey,
was
conceived
from
a
rape
situation
whenever
her
mother
was
17,
she
was
raped,
and
so
therefore
monica
was
conceived
so
that
monica's
life
is
valuable.
Also,
so
we
need
to.
J
I
represented
a
16
year
old
little
girl,
who
was
who
was
repeatedly
raped
by
her
paternal
uncle,
who
tried
to
kill
herself
twice,
but
so
I
know
that
there's
all
different
cases.
My
worry
is,
though
you
said
it
will
be
taken
into
consideration
in
the
event
that
the
the
health
of
the
mother
is
in
place.
Is
that
an
exception
that's
put
into
the
bill.
B
All
right,
we
do
have
two
more
questions
and
then
I'm
going
to
let
a
couple,
others
come
up
and
say
absolutely
speak.
So
let's
go
ahead
center
mills.
I
know
this
is
an
important
topic
to
you.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
it
is,
ladies,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
thought
and
all
the
other
members
that
are
involved
in
putting
this
bill
together.
It
is
definitely
a
an
omnibus
omnibus
bill
that
covers
multiple
subjects.
Two
things
I
want
to
just
ask
you
to
look
at,
and
it's
really
really
not
questions
maybe
to
be
answered
today,
but
just
maybe
would
help
the
bill
in
the
dispensing
part
where
the
certification
part
of
dispensing
the
ru-486.
G
Where
is
this
going
to
allow
each
or
require
that
each
state
planned
parenthood
be
certified
or
would
like
a
planned
parenthood
just
have
one
certification
and
then
they
they
are
clear,
cleared
to
mail
that
into
the
state
and
then
the
other.
The
second
thing
is:
is
there
a
penalty
in
the
bill
for
if
you're
not
certified,
and
you
continue
to
mail
into
the
state?
Those
are
two
things
obvious.
G
The
obviously
that's
the
growth
side
of
this
business
is
the
the
internet
on
your
phone,
getting
this
medical,
this
medicine
sent
into
our
state
and
we
need
to
do
what
we
can
to
restrict
that
and
I
think
it
may
be
in
the
bill.
I
don't
have
the
bill
in
front
of
me,
but
if
you
could
cover
that
and
answer
that
that'd
be
great.
D
Yeah
well,
as
far
as
your
the
second
point,
we'll
certainly
take
that
into
consideration
and
as
you're
aware
that
the
bill
has
not
been
filed.
Yet
we're
continuing
to
work
on
that
to
make
sure
that
it's
in
as
the
best
that
it
can
possibly
be
before
we
file
that
the
other
thing
too,
whenever
you
talked
about
planned
parenthood.
So
it
would
actually
be
the
provision
physician
provider
that
has
to
have
the
certification,
not
the
facility.
G
Very
good,
yeah
there's
and
then
there's
other
people
mailing
other
than
planned
parenthood
as
well,
but
so
it
will
be
the
physician.
That's
actually
mailing
it,
not
an
organization
that
has
some
kind
of
national
or
one
certification
that
covers
their
whole
franchise.
Is
that
correct.
B
Senator
mills,
if
you
have
any
other
information,
because
I
know
you're
really
up
on
that
topic-
please
reach
out
to
representative,
yates
or
tate-
I'm
sorry.
She
will
I'm
sure,
take
any
of
that
consideration.
I
have
one
more
question,
then
we're
going
to
move
to
a
couple
speakers
and
representative
stevenson.
N
H
We
have
a
an
online
group
that
we
meet
or
a
zoom
group
that
we
meet
and
they
have
really
brought
that
information,
especially
in
college
towns,
in
lexington
and
louisville,
where
there's
universities,
you
know
the
I
say
young
folks,
I
sound
old,
but
the
younger
generation
is
much
more
apt
with
their
technology,
their
ipads,
their
all
of
their
technology,
and
so
these
google
extensive
google
ads
and
the
ads
that
pay
the
most
get
higher
on
higher
on
the
list,
and
they
are
targeting
young
people,
especially
and
young
women,
especially
in
that
area
a
lot
of
times.
H
It
said
you
know
they
begin
by
saying
pregnant,
have
concerns,
have
issues
but
really
behind.
That
is
that
target
audience
and
they
are
from
out
of
state
providers.
We
do
know
that
most
of
them
so
but
I'd
like
to
if
to
respectfully
your
question,
I'd
like
to
get
more
information.
Thank
you
for
your
another
time.
If
that
would
be
acceptable.
N
D
Representative
stevenson,
might
I
add
to
that
as
well.
I
know
that
you're
very
familiar
with
social
media,
and
so,
if
I'm
on
facebook
or
if
I'm
on,
if
I
do
a
yahoo
search
for
example
and
and
I
search
for
maybe
an
abortion
provider,
so
then
there's
algorithm
or
algorithms
that
actually
identify
that
I'm
doing
a
search,
and
so
it
might
not
necessarily
the
the
information
would
start
being
flown
to
me.
It
would
be
pushed
to
me.
You
know,
as
as
opposed
to
me
going
out
now.
D
I've
made
a
search
so
now
that
information
is
going
to
be
pushed
to
me
and
it
could
possibly
be
for
me
or
it
could
be
for
my
friend
who's.
Actually,
I'm
doing
research
for
so
it
would
be
pushed
to
me
to
give
me
that
information
on
how
are
some
of
the
methods
and
the
locations
for
me
to
have
this
procedure.
N
Thank
you
and
then
the
the
other
question.
I
understand
you're
working
on
the
bill,
but
is
anyway
I
I'd
like
to
get
a
copy,
so
I
could
have
some
input
before
we
go
final.
Could
I
I
could
get
it
from
you.
D
D
So
there
were
some
of
the
previous
bills
that
were
released
in
the
2020
session
and
the
2021
session.
So
what
we've
done
is
we've
combined
those.
What
I
would
hesitate
to
do,
though,
is
say
that
those
were
the
final
products.
N
D
I'll
work
with
you
yeah,
so
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
I
would
like
to
get
your
information
on
what
part
of
this
bill
that
you
want
to
contribute
to
and
then
I'll
have
that
conversation
with
him?
Okay,
now
I'll
have
the
conversation.
What
would
you
like
to
add
to
it?
So
I
I'm
not
obligated
to
give
you
a
copy
of
the
bill,
nor
is
the
bill
writer.
So,
but
I
would
be
glad
to
discuss
these
topics
with
you.
Okay,.
B
Let's
say
ma'am:
let's
y'all
can
discuss
this
after
me.
Let
we
need
to
move
on
it.
Well,
one
more
question.
N
N
Fact
that
you
guys
go
from
cradle
to
the
beginning,
and
and
particularly
since
kentucky
is
the
lowest
in
in
terms
of
infant
mortality
and
we
filed
25
bills
to
prevent
and
enhance
infant
aliveness,
and
my
question
for
you
as
a
representative
one
to
the
other,
is
the
only
one
of
those
bills
got
heard
which
will
support
what
you're
doing
here
taking
care
of
children.
I
think
one
of
the
ladies
said
we're
here.
This
bill
is
about
not
just
abortion,
but
the
health
care
of
minors
and
women,
and
we
filed
25
bills.
B
All
right,
we'll,
let
you
all
work
together,
if
you,
if
you
so
see
fit,
I
do
have
that
some
of
the
questions
are
starting
to
still
come
in,
but
we
do
have
we're
getting
tight
on
time.
B
Ladies,
if
y'all
could
kind
of
stay
close,
I'm
going
to
let
a
couple,
others
come
up
and
speak,
and
some
of
the
questions
might
pertain
to
you,
representative
wheatley.
I
know
you're
out
there,
I'm
going
to
wait
for
these
others
to
speak
since
I
kind
of
cut
it
off
a
second
ago
and
we'll
get
to
you
in
a
sec
there.
So
at
this
time
I
think
tamara,
wieder
and
also
jackie
mcgannihan.
B
O
Thank
you
for
letting
us
speak.
I
would
like
to
go
quickly
through
and
address
some
of
what
we
heard
today
and
any
questions
you
may
have,
but
I
do
want
to
address
some
of
the
points
specifically
around
judicial
bypass.
O
Kentucky
law
already
prohibits
minors
from
obtaining
an
abortion
without
obtaining
consent
from
a
parent.
The
law,
as
we
heard
today,
would
make
obtaining
consent
more
difficult
for
young
parents
and
their
their
parents.
The
vast
majority
of
teens
in
the
state
already
involved
their
parents
in
their
decision.
This
law
would
make
obtaining
that
consent
more
complicated
and
more
time
intensive
for
young
parents
and
their
people,
young
people
and
their
parents.
O
Sorry,
when
faced
with
an
unplanned
pregnancy,
most
minors
already
voluntarily
disclose
it
to
a
parent
or
a
trusted
adult,
but
unfortunately,
not
all
people
have
a
supportive
relationship
with
their
parents.
Some
minors,
especially
those
living
in
abusive
situations,
cannot
safely
disclose
their
pregnancies
to
their
families,
recognizing
that
some
young
people
cannot
discuss
reproductive
health
care
matters
with
their
parents.
The
united
states
supreme
court
has
said
that
states
with
parental
consent
laws
must
provide
a
way
for
these
teens
to
seek
an
abortion
without
parental
consent
through
judicial
bypass.
O
This
bill,
as
we
heard
today,
would
make
the
already
comprehensive
judicial
bypass
process
more
onerous
and
could
prevent
many
young
people
from
obtaining
a
court
waiver
to
ensure
their
access
to
care,
which
is
directly
what
this
bill
is
trying
to
do
to
stop
young
people
from
accessing
abortion.
O
National
medical
groups,
like
the
american
academy
of
pediatrics,
the
american
medical
association,
the
american
college
of
obstetricians
and
gynecologists,
oppose
mandatory
parental
consent
laws
because
they
increase
harm
to
young
people
by
delaying
access
to
critical
care
and
threatening
the
privacy
and
safety
of
vulnerable
young
people,
and
this
bill,
as
we
heard
it
today,
is
more
extreme
and
restrictive
than
the
majority
of
parental
consent.
Laws
in
the
country,
raising
the
burden
of
proof
for
a
minor
seeking
abortion
is
harmful
to
young
people,
especially
those
already
living
in
vulnerable
conditions
like
to
talk
about
dignified
remains.
O
This
is
a
blatant
attempt
to
create
shame
and
stigma.
This
bill
singles
out
patients
who
seek
abortions
and
the
physicians
who
provide
abortion
care
and
implements
medically
unnecessary
requirements.
Kentucky
law
already
extensively
regulates
the
disposal
of
medical
tissue
and
health
care
providers,
including
those
that
provide
abortion,
always
ensure
that
tissue
is
disposed
of
in
a
safe
and
respectful
manner.
O
Politicians
should
not
be
forcing
such
unnecessary
stigmatizing
requirements
on
women
and
their
health
care
providers.
This
legislation
is
clearly
intended
to
shame
a
person
who
has
already
made
a
private
decision
to
have
an
abortion
and
create
hurdles
to
physicians
and
clinics
seeking
to
provide
the
necessary
care.
Let's
be
clear,
this
is
part
of
a
coordinated
effort
by
anti-abortion
extremists
who
want
to
make
all
abortion
illegal
and
unavailable.
O
O
The
same
court
also
recognized
that
restrictions
requiring
burial
or
cremation
could
the
ability
of
health
care
providers
to
offer
surgical
abortion
moving
on
to
defunding.
So
this
bill
is
like
a
gag
and
could
threaten
funding
for
kentucky
healthcare
providers,
including
even
hospitals,
who
do
nothing
more
than
refer
patients
for
necessary
medical
care.
O
This
bill
would
impermissibly
deny
a
government
benefit
based
on
health
care,
providing
exercising
their
constitutional
rights
to
discuss
abortion.
This
kind
of
restriction
is
not
only
unconstitutional,
be
devastating
for
the
well-being
of
people
in
our
state.
I
also
want
to
directly
respond
to
medication.
Abortion,
medication.
Abortion
happens
in
kentucky
at
the
two
abortion
providers
in
louisville.
There
is
no
male
abortion
happening
through
providers.
You
have
to
come
in,
have
your
appointment,
you
meet
with
a
provider
and
you
take
the
pill
with
the
provider
in
the
room
the
first
round.
O
E
Tomorrow's
comments
covered
a
lot
of
what
I
would
say,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out
something
that
is
so
very
apparent
to
me
in
this
room
today,
and
that
is
that
I
listened
with
great
interest
to
the
attorney
general
and
miss
hudson
talk
about
sex
trafficking
and
the
ages
of
these
victims
and
that
if
this
bill
were
enacted
into
law,
if
parts
of
this
bill
were
enacted
into
law,
those
children
that
miss
tate
is
so
very
concerned
about
could
be
forced
to
carry
a
pregnancy
to
term
that
they
do
not
want
that.
E
As
a
result
of
being
trafficked,
that's
appalling
to
me,
and
I
just
it's
cognitive
dissonance-
I
don't
see
why
this
connection
hasn't
been
made
before.
So
that's
the
main
point
I
would
like
to
make.
I
was
also
very
upset
to
learn
that,
when
the
center
for
women
and
families
and
the
kentucky
coalition
against
domestic
violence
were
invited
to
speak
today
and
pointed
out
that
they
are
pro-survivor
and
do
not
take
a
stance
on
abortion,
it
was
suggested
to
them
to
them
that
their
funding
might
be
in
jeopardy.
B
All
right,
we
do
have
a
couple
questions.
Let's
see,
representative
wheatley
was
your
question
for
the
previous
panel,
or
was
it
for
this
one,
because
I
have
one
question
for
this
panel.
F
All
right
all
right,
thank
you,
chair
and
that's
that
old
mute
button,
but
my
question
is
actually
broad-based
in
it
and
if
the
the
people
at
the
table
can
answer
or
if
anybody
else
can
that's
fine,
I
did
want
to
share
a
couple
comments
related
to
what's
going
on
today.
You
know
I,
I
am
a
bit
of
a
processed
person
and
I
like
to
bring
everybody
in
the
room
and
have
discussions
about
these
topics.
So
the
fact
that
I'm
very
pleased
that
planned
parenthood
and
the
aclu
got
to
speak.
F
Thank
you
for
that,
and
but
I
still
would
like
to
hear
some
things
I
have
big
concerns
about
and
and
that
this
gets
back
to
what
representative
blanton
was
referring
to
as
far
as
enforcement
and
the
burdens
that
we're
putting
on
certain
people
like
I'd
like
to
hear
from
judges
related
to
judicial
bypass
and
relating
to
the
rules
of
evidence,
that's
something
that
was
really
concerning
me.
F
I
saw
a
statement
about
something
can
or
cannot
be
used
in
the
rules
of
evidence
which
have
been
developed
over
hundreds
of
years
and
are
very
profoundly
constitutional
questions.
I'd
like
to
hear
about
that,
the
courts
themselves
attorney
advocates
child
advocates
that
would
that
would
be
involved
in
the
day-to-day
prescriptions
related
to
this
bill
would
just
like
to
hear
more.
F
It
was
encouraging
to
hear
representative,
tate
and
representative
stevenson
talk
about
getting
together
to
talk
about
some
of
the
issues
in
this
bill.
So
with
all
that
said,
I
I
have
the
question
of.
Do
we
have
a
number
of
how
many
judicial
bypass
times
it
that's
been
used,
whether
it's
been
this
year
or
any
particular
year,
so
any
anything
related
to
that
topic.
Anybody
can
answer
today
and
do
we
have
evan
any
evidence
about
the
abortion
reversal
pill
being
effective
and
or
being
not
effective?
F
You
know,
I
think
you
know
a
quick
search
by
me
online.
Is
it's
not
effective,
so
it
do.
We
have
any
survivors,
anybody
who
can
say?
Yes,
I
I
am
somebody
who
survived
related
to
the
abortion
reversal
bill
working.
So
those
are
my
questions
if
anybody
can
answer
it,
whether
it's
our
guests
at
the
table
or
the
presenters
of
the
original
bill.
Thank
you.
O
I
can
definitely
address
the
medication
abortion
reversal.
That's
based
out
of
junk
science.
It's
not
actually
medical
advice
that
you
will
be
given
from
the
american
college
of
obstetrician
gynecologist.
There
hasn't
been
a
study
that
actually
has
passed
through.
That
would
recommend
using
that,
and
you
will
not
be
getting
that
from
the
american
college
of
obstetricians
and
gynecologists.
O
Rate
there
was
an
abortion
reversal
pill
study
that
was
stopped
because
it
was
unsafe.
F
All
right,
thank
you
and
just
real
quick
do
we
know
how
many
judicial
bypassed
what
was
granted
in
the
last
or
any
particular
time
period.
D
F
Okay,
thank
you,
representative
tate,
and
thank
you
to
the
presenters
and
everybody,
and
hopefully
we
hear
more
about
this.
We
take
our
time
make
sure
that
we
get
all
the
facts
and
get
them
as
straight
as
possible
and
get
as
many
people
in
the
room
together
that
we
can
come
up
with
some
consensus
on
some
things.
You
know
it's
hard
to
imagine
when
it
relates
to
this
very
emotional
topic,
and
there
are
people
involved
who
are
diametrically
opposed
on
these
issues.
F
There
might
be
a
few
what
a
few
parts
of
this
bill
that
are,
you
know
something
where
and
input
from
both
sides
would
be
very
important.
Thank
you,
representative.
D
I
certainly
appreciate
that
from
you,
especially
considering
that
you
and
I
have
had
some
very
detailed
conversations
about
other
bills
and
that
we've
been
able
to
work
on
other
bills
together,
so
I
appreciate
that
we've
come
together
from
very
different
sides,
polar
opposites
and
have
come
together.
So
I
appreciate
you
mentioning
that.
Thank
you.
B
B
We
are
getting
low
on
time
and
I
got
one
more
presenter
and
then
on
a
different
issue
here.
So
I'm
going
to
stop.
I
have
senator
yates
and
representative.
Prunty
are
going
to
be
the
last
two
questions
and
then
we're
going
to
have
to
move
on.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
I'll
work
to
be
quick.
Most
of
my
questions,
kind
of
revolve
around
the
access
to
minors
and
that's
likely
a
lot
of
times
you
you
sit
based
on
where
you've
stood
and
that's
based
on
my
experience
as
an
assistant
ag
and
being
on
megan's
law
team
and
working
with
those
victims
a
lot
of
times.
It
was
that
a
lot
of
the
young
people
would
wind
up.
J
Pregnant
may
have
been
victims
of
domestic
violence
or
abuse
within
the
home,
and
they
could
not
tell
a
parent
on
that
and
that's
why
the
supreme
court
united
states
supreme
court
has
had
the
hill
judicial
by
pass,
because
really
you
talk
about
the
safety
of
the
individual
and
again
I'm
looking
at
the
summary.
I
don't
have
a
bill.
J
I
know
that
or
just
a
bill
and
draft,
but
if
one
of
the
changes
of
the
judicial
bypasses
is
the
way
it
presents
to
a
judge
by
which
I
don't
believe
that
we'll
be
able
to
figure
out
how
many
is
done
because
of
the
confidentiality
of
the
you
know,
get
their
reminders
here.
J
It
would
be
hard
to
make
both
prongs
or,
alternatively,
if
they
were
mature,
it
would
get
the
subjective
belief
of
the
judge,
even
though
this
the
young
person
under
18
they
they
were
mature
enough
to
make
that
decision.
The
judge
believed
it
was
their
best
interest.
There
would
be
that
restriction,
but
particularly
I'm
thinking
about
some
of
these
individuals
who
have
been
subject
to
abuse
that
have
mentally
slow,
extremely
immature
on
its
face.
I,
if
a
right
now
a
judge,
could
allow
that
bypass
for
the
best
century
to
the
child.
J
In
the
event
this
passes
and
requires
both
prongs,
I
think
it
would
be
a
complete
bear
and
kind
of
circumvent
what
the
united
states
supreme
court
has
said,
and
I
don't
know
if
miss
tomorrow,
if
you
can
address
that,
if
you
know
this,
I
know
you.
You
talked
briefly
about
judicial
bypass
and-
and
I
know
this
had
been
argued
in
previous
years.
J
I
think
it
was
a
house
bill
before
they
didn't
go
anywhere,
but
to
me
that's
something
that
would
be
concerned
and
if
the
bill's
sponsor,
maybe
that's
just
a
you
know,
I
know
sometimes
working
process.
Maybe
it
wasn't
done
intentionally
and
it
can
be
cured,
but
obviously
that
would
be
a
major
concern
for
any
child
who
which
was
mentally
slow
and
been
subject
to
abuse
or
have
been.
You
know,
victimized
and
may
not
have
the
mental
capacity
to
do
that.
If
you
guys
could
address
that,
please.
O
Yeah,
no
we're
very
concerned
about
the
clear
and
convincing
standard
which
is
a
much
higher
burden
than
typically
applies
in
civil
cases.
After
all,
the
hurdles,
a
young
person
must
navigate
to
appear
before
a
judge
completing
their
case.
We're
very
concerned
about
this,
and
so
I
would
hope
that
they
would
not
want
to
make
it
harder
for
someone
to
access
an
abortion.
But
I
think
that's
exactly
the
point
here
that
it
is
to
take
away
that
option.
J
In
addition
to
the
the
standard
of
proof
being
raised
to
clear
convincing
above
that,
the
more
likely
than
not
it
looks
like
there's
also
a
two-prong
approach,
maybe
the
sponsor
can
address
that.
J
It
looks
like,
as
the
law
is
now,
it
was
I'm
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
think
back
to
for
victims
who
had
to
do
this,
and
most
of
them
have
been
victims
of
rape
and
abuse
or
issues,
but
had
to
go
through
there,
because
they
were
scared
to
tell
the
in
case
I'm
thinking
of
was
the
parent,
because
if
they
were
also
the
bad
actor,
if
you
change
the
law
to
require
both
prongs,
you
would
simply
make
it
a
stop
gap.
So
those
victims
could
no
longer
go
through.
D
Yeah
so
one
of
the
things
senator
yates,
I
think
that's
a
good
question,
one
of
the
things
and
and
and
as
we
pointed
out,
you
don't
have
access
to
the
bill.
So
what
what
my
intent
is
that
not
to
change
any
of
the
current
language
that's
available
so
that
yeah,
so
that
so
and
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that
and
I'll
and
I'll
have
further
conversations
with
you
as
well.
So.
H
H
I
was
the
director
of
youth
ministry
for
almost
20
years
for
the
diocese
of
owensboro,
and
I
facilitated
youth
events
for
my
parish
for
many
many
years,
and
when
you
had
a
parent
form
to
go
on
a
youth
activity
a
lot
of
times,
the
kids
would
forget
to
have
their
parents
sign
up
so
they'd
be
over
in
the
corner
sign
up
for
each
other.
H
So
I
think
this
is
important
that
parents
know
that
their
child
is
considering
an
abortion
that
they
can
counsel
them
get
them
help,
maybe
encourage
them
to
complete
the
pregnancy
and
consider
adoption.
I
have
a
my
husband's
adopted.
I
have
adopted
grandkids
adoptions
never
mentioned
in
this
and
to
respond
to
representative
wheatley.
We
heard
in
committee
last
year
year
before
I
don't
remember.
An
ob
gyn
in
paducah
kentucky
did
the
reversal
on
two
young
girls
in
in
western
kentucky,
and
the
babies
had
no
problems.
So
there's
evidence
here
in
kentucky
that
the
reversal
works.
B
All
right,
thank
you
all
so
much
for
your
testimony
and
we
appreciate
this
is
always
a
a
heated
topic
and-
and
we
understand
you
know,
life
is
important
and
hopefully
we'll
look
forward
to
the
final
bill
there.
So
thank
you
all
right.
We
do
have
one
more
presentation,
representative
wesley.
If
you
want
to
take
your
seat-
and
I
believe
I
don't
carissa
smith
and
lindsay
lepage-
I'm
not
sure
if
they're,
both
here
or
if
they
might
be
on
cyberspace
there.
So.
B
All
right,
when
you
get
ready
representative
wesley,
remember
to
get
those
green
buttons
on
and
please
introduce
yourself
your
guest
and
you
can
proceed.
K
I
want
to
thank
the
opportunity
being
here
today
addressing
this
issue
which
has
been
addressed
throughout
the
state
which
is
concerning
to
our
dispatchers,
and
I
was
I
I
really
respect
these
people
for
what
they
are
doing
and
what
they
do
for
their
job
as
a
chaplain
being
involved
with
six
departments,
I
hear
a
lot
of
different
issues
that
they
go
through,
so
it's
an
honor
being
here,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
and
I
thank
the
committee
for
for
hearing
us
today.
K
I
have
with
me
today
one
of
our
heroes,
chrissa
smith.
She
is
also
a
dispatcher
and
has
been
for
many
years.
I
also
have
mrs
lepage.
Lindsey
lepage
is
going
to
be
testifying
a
little
bit
and
we
just
thank
you
for
being
on
zoom
with
us
today.
K
I
also
want
to
recognize
two
guests
here
is
our
mayor
from
ravenna
sharon
and
city
clerk
amy
crow.
So
we
just
thank
you
for
being
here
in
the
interest
of
time.
We're
gonna
go
ahead
and
get
right
to
the
point.
This
is
about
pdsd.
K
A
lot
of
people
believes
that
if
they
don't
carry
a
gun
or
a
badge
that
they
don't
go
through
things,
and
so
we
are
going
to
address
some
issues,
what
they
go
through
on
daily
basis
and
they
go
from
one
situation
to
another,
and
how
do
they
deal
with
that?
So
they're
already
offered
a
40-hour
a
year
class,
and
so
what
this
bill
is
about.
This
is
going
to
bring
in
the
the
tools
and
the
resources
of
how
to
deal
with
ptsd
in
that
40-hour
a
year
class.
P
P
The
pcis
is
a
training
that
is
available
to
dispatchers
and
officers
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
They're
also
allowed
to
bring
a
loved
one
with
them
if
they
would
like
it
provides
support
and
psycho-education
around
critical
incidents
that
they
may
experience
on
the
job,
and
it's
led
by
a
team
of
peers
of
officers
and
dispatchers
that
have
previously
gone
through
the
pcis
and
then
also
a
team
of
mental
health
providers
and
instructors
from
the
doc
jt.
P
P
So
a
traumatic
experience
is
one
that
incorporates
both
actual
or
threatened
death
to
the
person.
It
can
also
include
serious
injury
or
sexual
violation
and
the
way
that
people
experience
that
traumatic
event
may
vary
so
the
person
experiencing
directly.
So
the
trauma
is
happening
to
that
person
is
one
way,
the
way
that
most
people
think
about
it.
P
So,
when
you
think
about
dispatchers
it's
when
a
caller
is
calling
in
they're
in
distress
either
because
they're
deeply
injured,
maybe
they're
being
attacked
while
on
the
phone.
Maybe
their
child
is
not
breathing.
The
person
is
in
extreme
distress,
they're
hearing
it,
there's
the
dispatcher's
hearing,
what
they're
going
through
they're,
not
seeing
it,
but
that
itself
and
those
repeated
experiences
over
and
over
again
can
cause
traumatic
responses
and
dispatchers,
and
I
would
also
like
to
say
that
they
don't
have
any
control
over
these
experiences
right,
because
it's
part
of
their
work.
P
P
I
also
want
to
quickly
go
over
the
four
types
of
categories
of
ptsd
symptoms.
Just
so
you
have
a
better
understanding
again,
I'm
paraphrasing
these
categories
do
need
to
be
present
for
at
least
a
month.
P
You
have
to
have
two
specific
incidents
from
the
first
two
and
I'm
sorry,
one
from
the
first
two
and
two
from
the
second
two
sets
of
categories,
so
the
first
category
intrusion
and
experiencing
this
is
things
that
people
typically
think
about
ptsd,
maybe
you're
having
nightmares
or
memories
that
when
you
don't
want
to
think
about
it,
they're
just
being
triggered
by
certain
things,
maybe
sounds
hearing
different
aspects
that
may
relate
to
your
story.
P
P
The
third
category
after
people
experience
something
traumatic,
they
may
become
more
depressed,
but
also,
more
importantly,
they
may
lack
the
ability
to
feel
joy
feel
engagement
in
the
things
that
they
used
to
enjoy
feel
a
lack
of
connection
with
people
that
they
love
and
start
to
feel
alienated.
P
The
fourth
category
arousal
a
lot
of
people
report
not
being
able
to
sleep
as
well
after
experience
trauma,
they
may
engage
in
more
self-destructive
behaviors.
They
may
be
more
aggressive
and
quick
to
anger
and
they
may
be
more
hyper
vigilant
or
on
the
lookout
for
things
that
may
be
a
threat
to
them
that
were
not
necessarily
threatening
before
so
again.
This
is
just
a
paraphrase
of
the
different
types
of
ptsd
symptoms.
P
So,
as
I
said,
the
pcis
we
serve
officers
and
dispatchers.
This
graph
does
not
include
the
guest
participants,
but
I
just
wanted
to
show
you.
The
proportion
of
the
first
responder
community
that
we
serve
about,
21
of
them
are
dispatchers
and
79
are
officers
which,
I
believe
is
also
representative
of
the
overall
overall
occupational
proportion
of
dispatchers
to
officers
in
the
state
of
kentucky
in
terms
of
what
types
of
critical
incidents
dispatchers
actually
go
through.
P
On
the
first
day
of
the
pcis,
we
ask
them
to
describe
an
incident
or
incidents
that
they
would
like
to
talk
about,
while
they're
at
the
training,
the
vast
majority
of
dispatchers
list
line
of
duty
death,
so
an
officer
that
has
died
while
they
were
working
or
that
has
died
at
their
agency
as
being
one
of
the
most
distressful
types
of
events
that
they
can
go
through.
The
second
is
any
event
involving
a
child
or
infant.
P
P
P
Then
we
also
have
line
of
duty
injuries
where
an
officer
may
be
seriously
injured.
Suicide
is
a
type
of
call
where
either
the
person
is
suicidal
may
actually
commit
suicide
on
the
phone
while
the
dispatcher
is
talking
to
them.
Sometimes
it's
a
family
member
that
has
found
a
loved
one
that
has
committed
suicide
cumulative
is
when
a
dispatcher
cannot
pick
just
one,
and
I
would
suggest
that
many
of
the
dispatchers
are
actually
suffering
from
cumulative
trauma,
but
this
is
where
they
just
can't
pick
a
single
incident.
P
It's
just
the
overall
entirety
of
their
career
that
they
describe
as
being
a
source
of
stress.
Then
we
also
have
office
of
officer
involved,
shootings
and
fires,
often
times
where
people
are
calling
in
because
they're
trapped
in
a
fire,
for
example,
in
a
car.
So
this
is
based
on
the
data
of
68
dispatchers
that
we
that
have
come
through
the
pcis.
P
P
These
percentages
are
based
off
of
the
number
of
dispatchers
that
have
extreme
scores
in
each
of
these
assessments.
So
on
day,
one
before
they've
experienced
any
of
the
content
or
curriculum
of
the
pcis
13
have
depression,
25
have
extreme
anxiety
and
67
percent
are
scoring
high
on
the
ptsd
assessment
we
give
them,
which
is
specifically
the
pcl5
post,
post-traumatic
checklist,
so
67.
The
vast
majority
of
dispatchers
are
coming
in
reporting
ptsd
symptoms
on
the
third
day
of
the
pcis.
P
So
after
they
have
gone
through
all
of
the
training
content,
they've
gone
through
the
different
sessions
with
their
peers
and
the
mental
health
providers
on
day
one
their
scores.
On
this
ptsd
assessment,
the
pcl
5
is
38.18,
which
is
above
the
cutoff
score
of
31..
They
are
the
average
score
of
our
dispatchers
is
well
above
the
cutoff
score
for
having
ptsd,
but
after
when
they
take
the
same
assessment.
P
After
going
through
our
program,
it
is
reduced
to
22.36,
which
is
below
the
cutoff
of
ptsd
symptoms,
meaning
that
during
their
time
at
the
pcis
over
those
three
days,
they've
had
a-
and
this
is
statistically
significant.
They've
had
a
reduction
in
ptsd
symptom
severity,
and
I
wanted
to
show
this
to
you
to
kind
of
demonstrate
the
need.
So
people
are
coming
to
our
training
with
mental
health
issues.
They
are
suffering
from
depression,
anxiety
and
most
definitely
ptsd,
but
after
having
access
to
training,
this
can
get
better.
Training
does
work.
P
And,
finally,
I
just
wanted
to
read
a
de-identified
quote
from
one
of
the
dispatchers
that
came
through
our
training
on
day
one.
We
asked
them
to
describe
a
specific
event
and
this
person
they're
really
describing
cumulative
stress
and
trauma
related
to
being
a
dispatcher,
but
I
think
it
really
captures
the
overall
sense
of
what
they
go
through
and
how
it
impacts
the
dispatcher's
life.
So
if
you
have
printouts,
I
believe
the
quote
is
also
printed
out
in
the
notes
section
of
your
printout,
so
being
a
dispatcher
for
20
years,
there's
not
one
specific
incident.
P
It's
all
rolled
into
the
accumulation
of
hearing
the
mom
beg
for
her
baby
not
to
die
while
you're
telling
them
how
to
do.
Cpr,
the
elderly
man,
who's
home
alone
and
can't
breathe.
Take
his
last
breath,
while
he's
talking
to
you
and
you
hear
the
phone
hit
the
floor,
the
sister
screaming
and
crying
because
her
daddy
just
shot
her
brother,
it's
just
troopers
screaming
shots
fired
shots,
fired
the
never
ending
negative.
P
P
B
Very
moving
there
representative.
These
are
other.
Q
Good
morning,
thank
you
for
giving
me
this
opportunity.
I
want
to
apologize
first
and
foremost,
because
this
is
a
very
hard
hard
situation
for
me.
Q
Q
I
do
want
to
start
out
by
saying
this:
this
is
the
beginning.
This
is
the
beginning
for
a
lot
of
people
that
need
a
lot
of
help,
and
that
is
not
acknowledged.
This
spill
gets
brought
up
and
the
room's
clear,
which
is
how
dispatchers
are
usually
looked
at.
Q
Were
the
last
to
be
considered
were
the
last
to
be
thought
about,
even
in
an
agency
level,
we
don't
get
offered
debriefings
there's
a
lot
of
us
that
will
have
a
trauma.
Call
the
fire
ems
police,
we'll
go
into
a
debriefing,
make
sure
everybody's
okay,
that
dispatcher
sitting
behind
that
mic
still
doing
their
job,
because
we
can't
stop.
Q
Q
It's
every
day.
It's
every
day,
like
the
quote,
lindsay
said
we're
listening
to
a
mother
beg
us
just
get
somebody
here,
get
them
here
right
now
we're
listening
to
an
officer.
That's
been
involved
in
a
a
car
wreck.
I
was
sending
him
to
a
simple
call:
simple
call
of
some
juveniles
throwing
rocks
at
semis.
Q
The
cruiser
rolled
several
times,
and
the
only
thing
I
heard
over
the
radio
was.
I
don't
know
where
I
am
46
and
the
only
thing
I
could
do
was
key
back
up
on
that
radio.
All
radio
etiquette
thrown
aside
everything
and
just
say
philip
call
me-
call
me
on
9-1-1
and
I
located
him
along
with
my
partner
and
got
him
the
help
he
needed
where
he
was
transport
hospital.
Q
We
fight
to
to
be
able
to
get
access
to
stuff
like
this,
but
ultimately,
whenever
we
ask
for
this
kind
of
stuff,
we're
looked
at,
the
participation
rate
is
low
for
kypcis.
Yes,
that
is
in
part,
because
there's
not
as
many
of
us
as
there
is
police
officers.
However,
there
are
a
lot
of
agencies
that,
if
you
say
I
need
to
go
to
this,
I
need
help
well,
it's
time
for
mental
evaluation.
Because
are
you
really
capable
of
doing
your
job
or
are
you
a
burden
to
this
agency
in
a
potential
lawsuit?
Q
I've
sat
in
front
of
a
council
and
I've
begged
for
help
clear
down
to
the
fact
that
I
told
them
somebody's
going
to
commit
suicide
and
it's
probably
going
to
be
me
and
it
was
ignored.
The
beg
for
help
was
ignored,
and
in
november
of
last
year
I
attempted
to
put
a
nine
millimeter
in
my
mouth
and
pull
the
trigger.
Q
As
far
as
kypcis
goes,
I
begged
our
agency
did
not
introduce
us
to
kypcis
because
again,
they're
good
they're,
just
answering
the
phone
they're,
not
there
on
scene
they're,
not
holding
that
child's
lifeless
body
they're,
not
holding
that
female
after
she's
been
beaten
or
male.
You
know
they're
not
comforting
the
rape
victims.
Q
Nobody!
Nobody
takes
that
into
consideration
for
the
mental
health
that
we
go
to
for
the
times
that
my
family
members
have
referred
to
me
as
since
you've
been
in
this
career,
you're
heartless,
because
I
don't
have
a
choice
to
be
to
have
a
heart
anymore.
I
have
to
do
what
I
have
to
do,
because
everybody's
got
to
go
home
at
the
end
of
night
and
I'm
the
last
it
gets
looked
at,
I'm
the
last
that
gets
worried
about
so
to
round
this
up.
Q
This
is
a
very,
very
hard
field
to
survive
in
most
of
our
dispatchers,
their
career
expectancy
six
to
seven
years
and
the
suicide
rate
is
exponential
and
you're
not
going
to
get
true
documentation
of
that
statistics
are
not
going
to
clearly
reflect
that
because
we
can't
be
open
with
that.
We
have
to
safeguard
ourselves.
Q
K
Thank
you,
chrissa.
I
would
like
to
share
with
the
committee
and
mr
chairman
that
since
we
have
began
this,
we
haven't,
we
haven't
filed
the
bill.
We
haven't
filed
this
yet
because
we've
been
wanting
feedback
from
other
dispatchers
and
other
people.
But
since
we
have
began
this,
we
have
had
deputy
sheriffs,
give
us
letter
of
supports
fire
chiefs.
Emts
public
safety
director.
That's
over
two
nine
one,
one
dispatch
associations
in
kentucky
which
is
keenan
apco,
so
they
are
in
support
of
this
bill
and
what?
K
Basically,
what
this
does
it's
to
require?
Kalec,
which
is
kentucky
law
enforcement
council
to
include
training
for
these
dispatchers,
give
them
the
resources
that's
related
to
pdsd
and
and
the
work
that's
induced
stress
during
each
in
service
training
for
telecommunicators,
additionally,
granting
access
to
all
telecommunicators
to
the
law,
enforcement,
professional
development
and
wellness
program,
and
so
we're
just
trying
to
get
them
help
included
into
the
the
40
hours.
K
E
E
Just
be
with
me:
okay,
don't
shoot
yourself!
Okay,
okay,
tell
me
exactly
what
happened
six
months
ago,
I
called
my
girlfriend
and.
E
D
E
K
K
B
Thank
you
for
you,
all's
heart-moving
testimony
and
my
goodness
to
hear
something
like
that.
An
actual
dispatch
call
I
can
imagine,
and
what
was
impressive,
is
is
I
heard
key
strokes.
She
was
trying
to
get
the
information
out
while
keep
him
on
the
line.
Wasn't
she
my
gosh
to
be
able
to
multitask
at
that
with
something
she's
impressive?
We
do
have
a
couple
questions
representative,
fugit.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Not
really
a
question
just
comment
so
chris.
I
appreciate
your
service
as
a
first
responder
as
a
radio
communication
dispatcher.
So
in
1991
30
years
ago
I
started
my
career
with
state
police's
radio
dispatcher,
and
so
I
know
what
the
calls
are
to
take.
M
M
What
I've
learned,
though,
is
we
can't
do
that?
You
never
turn
it
off.
I
never
turn
it
off
either
and
and
so
what
what
you
live,
you're
a
hero,
that's
hidden
behind
the
wall
and
not
just
you,
my
son's,
a
radio,
dispatcher
state,
police
and
hazard,
and
so
what
he
deals
with
what
you
all
deal
with
is
very
appreciated,
especially
from
me,
a
former
trooper,
and
you
know
the
tears.
You
cry
over
people
the
tears
that
I've
cried
over
people
not
seen
by
the
world,
and
it's
not
something
you
can
turn
off.
M
So
you
know
I
just
want
to
say
I
I
support
you
all
as
much
as
I
do:
troopers
and
police
officers
and
deputies
and
and
analyst
personnel.
I
support
you
because
I
know
what
you
do
and
you
know
I'm
I'm
for
this
bill.
I
can
tell
you
this.
I
appreciate
representative
wesley
coming
forward
with
this.
It's
something
that
should
have
been
done
a
long
time
ago.
M
You
know
the
tv
cameras
were
here
a
while
ago
for
the
attorney
general
and
and
for
the
pro-life
abortion
bill,
but
he
kind
of
cleared
out
when
we
started
talking
about
dispatchers
and
that's
and
that's
really
the
way.
M
The
way
we
feel
the
way
you
feel
is
that
everybody
clears
out,
and
they
just
forget
about
you,
but
but
truthfully,
the
ones
that
that
depend
on
you
don't
forget
about
you,
and
so
I
thank
you
again
for
your
service
and
for
all
those
that
serve
in
radio
rooms
across
kentucky
that
are
unsung
heroes
that
that
have
rescued
troopers
and
police
officers.
A
lot
of
nights
when
we
needed
to
help
and
back
up
that
you
all
have
always
been
there
to
say,
go
ahead,
five,
six
six!
M
You
know
what's
10
20.,
what's
going
on
you
know
and
and
to
throw
the
radio
etiquette
out
the
wind
every
now
and
then
you
know,
that's
all
right
too!
You
know,
and
so
again
I
I
just
appreciate.
I
appreciate
you
and
appreciate
the
programming
deal
cjt
and
all
that's
going
on
with
that.
And,
mr
chairman,
I
thank
you
for
the
time.
B
Thank
you
for
comments
and
for
your
service
too,
representative
stevenson.
Right
now
is
my
last
question.
You
get
to
wind
it
up.
N
Thank
you
chairman.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
say
to
my
colleague
representative
wesley
thank
you
for
doing
this.
The
right
way
getting
all
kinds
of
input
giving
us
the
bills,
so
we
can
have
an
intelligent
conversation
about
what
people
are
going
through
in
the
state
of
kentucky
number.
Two,
oh
miss
carissa.
N
N
K
I'd
like
to
ask
lindsay
to
answer
that
and
the
reason
being
they
invited
me
or
chris,
or
she
invited
me
to
one
of
the
classes
that
they
had.
I
had
the
opportunity
of
sitting
there
listening
to
officers
go
through
this
stuff
and
what
this
bill
is
going
to
open
up
for
for
the
dispatchers
to
come
into
this
program
regardless
it's
it's
going,
it's
going
to
be
brought
in
that
way.
K
P
I
think
one
of
the
biggest
issues
is
just
the
stigma
in
general
about
mental
health
in
the
workplace,
but
particularly
within
law
enforcement
and
dispatchers
not
being
viewed
as
experiencing
trauma
in
itself,
because
they
are
within
a
physical
building,
protected
from
what's
going
on
on
scene,
having
mandatory
training
having
more
than
one
types
of
training
available
to
them,
getting
the
word
out
there
so
that
supervisors,
leaders
of
agencies
understand
that
this
is
an
issue.
This
is
a
workplace
issue.
P
P
P
This
is
what
I,
what
is
going
to
help
me
and
that's
why
word
of
mouth
has
been
such
a
great
thing
for
our
program,
so
I
believe,
because
of
the
stigma
being
able
to
have
more
than
one
training
having
access
to
different
resources
is
going
to
be
one
of
the
main
ways
to
combat
that,
and
also
having
it
mandatory
at
different
points
in
their
career.
K
Well,
there
is,
I
don't
know
if
they
do
that,
but
the
911
associations-
they
got
a
hold
of
me
last
night,
that
they're
in
support
of
this
bill.
So
I
don't
know
exactly
how
they
address
the
issues,
but
they
read
over
it
and-
and
I
tried
to
get
as
much
input
as
I
could
before
I
filed
the
bill,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
person
that
wrote
this
bill.
K
I'm
not
allowed
to
point
them
out
or
address
them
in
any
way,
but
we
we
have
an
outstanding
staff
that
helps
us
on
their
bills
and-
and
I
just
thank
them
for
having
the
heart
of
helping
us
bring
this.
Q
Q
They
are
in
very,
very
much
support
of
mental
health.
But
again
it's
building
this.
It's
beating
the
stigma
within
the
agency
with
looking
at
a
person
and
saying
they
have
a
problem
and
again
it
falls
back
on
a
lot
of
liability.
You
know
well,
should
this
person
have
been
answering
the
call?
No,
they
shouldn't
have,
because
you
know
they
answered
a
suicide
the
night
before
or
they
answered
the
radio
where
a
officer
was
time
to
put
put
down
a
suspect.
Q
So
you
mentioned
the
keystrokes.
What
a
lot
of
people
don't
understand
is
the
role
of
a
9-1-1
telecommunications
officer
is
not
just
answering
a
telephone.
Yes,
there
are
bigger
agencies
like
louisville
and
lexington,
who
have
their
call
takers
and
their
dispatchers
split
up,
but
that's
just
because
they're
fielding
so
many
calls.
But
a
lot
of
our
smaller
agencies
which
make
up
kentucky
are
one-man
shows.
Q
I
spent
many
nights
by
myself
with
a
headset,
a
radio
mic
and
a
phone
in
this
ear
fielding
several
calls
dispatching
police
fire
ems.
All
on
my
own,
with
no
help.
You
ask
how
to
start
introducing
this
kypcis.
This
bill
is
a
step.
Kypcs
has
done
so
much
to
help
get
this
out
there
we're
very
personal
and
very
private
about
the
participants
and
what
they're
coming
there
for.
B
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
and
chris,
I
know,
god
puts
people
in
certain
places
and
with
your
story
he
puts
you
there
for
a
reason.
So
hopefully
we
can
move
this
forward
and
look
forward
to
hearing
it
in
the
regular
session,
I'm
sure
where
it's
really
meaning
and
we
could
all
be
up
here,
saying
aye
to
it.
So
with
that
we
ran
a
little
long.
I
know
there's
another
meeting
in
here
at
one,
but
we
gave
him
a
little
bit
time.
So
we
appreciate
everyone
being
here.
B
Next
meeting
is
november,
23rd
co-chair
embry
will
be
conducting
that
meeting,
and
we
want
to
thank
y'all
for
being.