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From YouTube: Interim Joint Committee on Local Government (9-26-23)
Description
Meeting Start 00:00:00
Attendance Roll Call 00:01:08
Discussion of Local Electronic Records Portals 00:02:53
Discussion of Local Records Grants 00:24:28
Discussion of Library District Board Selection 00:42:17
Discussion of Property Valuation Process and HB 44 00:48:47
Discussion of Sheriffs’ Transportation Costs 0:1:43:13
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A
And
I
do
want
to
send
the
regrets
of
Senator
Mills
for
not
being
able
to
be
here
today.
He
he
had
something
come
up
and
called
late
yesterday,
but
with
that
we
have
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
Now.
Do
we
have
a
motion
so
moved?
We've
got
a
quorum,
so
we're
constitutional,
constitutionally
able
to
do
business.
So
let's
move
forward
with
our
first
discussion
of
local
electronic
records
and
portals
and
we
have
the
clerk's
Association
coming
forward
and
if
you'll
come
forward,
introduce
yourself
and
for
the
record.
Thank
you.
H
Good
morning,
I'm
Tabitha
Clemens
I'm,
the
Grant
County
Clerk
and
incoming
president
of
the
county,
clerk's
Association,
so
we're
here
to
talk
to
you
this
morning
a
little
bit
about
our
land
records
and
the
modernization
that's
taken
place
in
the
county,
clerk's
offices,
so
we
will
Jump
Right
In.
We've
recently
conducted
a
survey
of
all
of
our
members,
the
120
County
clerks
101
of
them
participated.
It
was
a
pretty
quick
turnaround
for
this
survey.
H
We
only
had
a
few
few
days
in
between
finding
out
that
we
were
coming
before
you
today
and
getting
their
responses
in.
So
we
felt
like
that
was
a
good
response.
Almost
85
percent
of
the
clerks
responded,
68
of
the
county
clerks
have
one
to
two
full-time
recording
deputies
and
why
that
is
important
is
because,
when
we're
talking
about
the
modernization
of
the
county,
clerk's
offices,
it's
not
like
there's
this
huge
team
of
people
taking
up
you
know
half
of
a
floor
of
an
office
building.
H
It's
really
just
the
people
that
you
come
in
into
interaction
with
when
you
come
into
your
own
County,
Clerk's
offices.
That's
doing
the
majority
of
this
modernization
work
and
then
out
of
the
94
County
clerks,
who
responded
to
the
survey.
Less
94
of
them
have
less
than
five
full-time
deputies
who
are
currently
working
in
just
recordings.
So
of
all
the
things
that
we
do,
we
have
the
fewest
amount
of
deputies
working
in
this
department,
so
the
counties
that
are
currently
offering
a
search
portal
and
are
compliant
with
the
January
deadline
in
2024
98
counties.
H
We
were
able
to
to
also
talk
to
some
of
our
vendors
to
back
up
this
data,
to
make
sure
that
we
are
accurate
in
this
98
of
the
counties
have
already
met
that
deadline.
Three
Counties
at
this
point
have
not,
and
then
we
have
the
ones
who
who
did
not
respond
all
right.
So
we
want
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
background.
Some
of
you
may
not
have
been
around
back
in
2021
when
representative
Meredith
and
Senator
Howe
co-chaired
the
modernization
task
force.
H
So
we
want
to
give
you
some
of
the
things
that
were
adopted
out
out
of
that
task
force
when
it
comes
to
land
records.
January
1st
of
2024
All
County
clerks
in
the
state
shall
and
maintain
the
portal
that
allows
a
person
to
electronically
file
a
recorded
instrument.
So
what
does
that
mean?
That
means
that
all
of
our
attorneys
people
in
the
business
World
working
in
mortgages
can
electronically
file
their
documents
with
the
county,
clerk's
offices
I
know
for
the
vast
majority
of
us
who
have
taken
on
that
responsibility.
Already
we
love
that
capability.
H
That
feature
is
a
huge
improvement
in
our
offices,
because
we're
receiving
and
receiving
information
quicker.
We're
also
able,
if
there's
an
issue
with
a
document
where
able
to
send
that
back
to
the
submitter
instantaneously
and
in
a
lot
of
cases
within
a
day
or
24
hours
of
us
rejecting
a
document
they're
sending
it
back
to
us
corrected
or
with
you
know,
questions
if
they
have
questions
they're
calling,
but
it's
so
much
faster
and
the
funding
to
our
offices
is
is
guaranteed
at
that
point.
H
When
we're
receiving
money
through
the
electronic
portal
that
is
guaranteed
money
to
our
office,
it's
not
a
check
that
might
bounce
it's
not
a
credit
card
that
could
be
charged
back.
It's
something
that
is
secured
and
electronically
deposited
into
an
account
in
on
June
30th
of
2024.
Each
County
Clerk
shall
provide
and
maintain
a
portal
that
contains
the
recorded
instruments
filed
on
or
after
June
30th
of
1994.
So
the
first
phase
of
the
modernization
of
making
sure
that
we
have
preserved
the
documents
in
our
office
was
to
go
back
30
years.
H
There's
also
a
few
outliers
like
child
support
judgment,
liens,
federal
and
state
tax,
liens,
homeowners,
association,
condos,
those
sorts
of
things
that
have
different
deadlines
in
place.
So
the
deadline
is
I'm.
Sorry,
the
deadline
is
still
2024..
The
the
project
that
would
be
a
little
different
is
that
we
don't
have
to
go
as
far
back
on
some
of
those
documents
as
we
do
the
Deeds
mortgages,
so
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
ended
up
in
in
the
task
force.
If
you
were
around
for
that
time,
you
know
that
that
was
a
very
successful
task
force.
H
I
know
that
representative
Meredith
had
said
in
one
of
our
committee
meetings
during
that
time
that
a
lot
of
times
they
send
things
to
a
task
force
so
that
it
Fizzles
out
or
does
that's
not
the
case
in
this?
We
we
really
all
the
partners
who
are
at
the
table
really
took
some
responsibility
into
making
sure
that
we
were
able
to
have
legislation
that
served
all
the
parties
and
it
was
very
successful.
H
So
we
want
to
show
you
where
we're
meeting
the
deadlines.
Where
are
we
and
as
a
state?
Where
do
we
fall
on
having
these
deadlines
met
so
that
we
can
ensure
that
we
are
going
to
meet
that
2024
deadline?
So
the
first
graph
is
for
the
documents
for
June
30th
1994.,
so
65
Counties
have
already
met
that
deadline,
we're
already
there.
We
have
all
of
the
documents
to
meet
the
first
deadline,
then
there's
six
counties
who
are
currently
not
there.
H
16
counties
that
are
currently
working
on
that
they're,
currently
back
scanning
indexing
working
to
make
sure
that
they're
obtaining
this
goal.
I
think
that
the
six
after
talking
to
some
of
those
who
who
are
in
that
six
number
they're
waiting
for
funding
and
we'll
talk
about
funding
in
a
little
bit,
they're
counties
that
that
can't
quite
afford
to
just
do
some
of
the
project
on
their
own,
so
they're
they're
waiting
on
some
funding.
H
The
next
deadline
is
the
1966
documents
going
all
the
way
back
to
1966
37
Counties
have
already
are
currently
working
on
that
six
Counties
have
met
that
deadline.
27
Counties
have
not
they're
still
working,
which
would
be
about
in
line
with
what
we
have
with
the
16
who
are
working
in
the
six
who
have
not
met
the
deadline
yet
and
again.
I
think
this
is
based
off
of
funding.
Some
of
us
need
funding
in
order
to
secure
the
types
of
scanners
that
we
need.
H
A
lot
of
the
older
documents
are
not
loose
leaf
where
we
can
just
pull
them
out
and
use
the
scanners
that
we
currently
have
in
our
offices.
They're
bound
big
books
if
you've
ever
been
in
our
office
and
done
a
title
search
or
looked
for
your
own
deed
to
your
property
and
went
back
a
few
decades.
You're
going
to
know
that
those
books
are
bound
and
they're
harder
to
scan,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
quality
of
the
documents
that
we're
scanning
are
as
high
as
possible.
H
G
So,
just
to
kind
of
tag
back
to
the
previous
slide
that
Tabitha
had
just
shown.
You
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
those
counties
that
have
already
met
a
deadline
or
working
on
that
are
with
the
fees
that
they
currently
have,
whether
through
storage
fees
or
grants.
So
they
have
been
proactive
as
far
as
meeting
these
deadlines
prior
to
any
money
being
dispersed,
so
I
think
that's
worthy
to
note.
So
the
10
storage
fee,
as
you
know,
is
collected
when
documents
are
recorded.
G
The
25
million
dollar
allocated
from
the
last
biennium,
which
is
noted
here,
is
going
to
be
the
RFP
process
led
by
finance,
department
and
clerks,
have
been
involved.
The
funds
are
expected
to
be
released.
This
fall
correct,
yeah,
and
then
we
have
fees
from
our
office.
So
this
a
lot
of
times
is
excess
fees.
G
Clerks
we've
back
scanning,
upgrading
equipment,
purchasing,
storage,
there's
lots
of
options
with
that
and
then
of
course
the
last
is
the
KDL
records
Grant
and
we
are
the
only
entity
that
funds
this
grant
this
Grant
Pool
of
money.
So
in
2022
the
legislation
adopted
that
90
of
the
funds
were
to
be
awarded
to
county
clerks,
and
this
can
be
project
grants,
equipment,
grants
and
salary
grants.
So
each
clerk
would
assess
what
he
or
she
needs
in
his
office
and
then
apply
for
the
grant.
At
that
time.
H
So
I
want
to
touch
on
briefly
the
25
million
dollars
that
was
allocated
from
the
state
budget.
We
appreciate
the
work
that
that
took
place
in
order
to
get
us
to
that
point
of
being
able
to
have
those
funds
allocated.
We
have
been
very
involved
in
the
process
with
the
finance
cabinet
and
that's
been
a
great
partnership.
We've
been
really
pleased
with
how
how
well
they've
responded
to
us
and
and
listened
to
our
concerns
and
what
our
offices
need
in
order
to
get
the
RFP
to
where
it
is.
H
H
So
we
want
to
give
you
a
rundown
kdla.
The
kdla
grant
that
Stephanie
mentioned
has
been
around
for
a
good.
While
this
isn't
something
new.
The
part
that
is
new
is
that
the
task
force
added
the
stipulation
that
90
of
the
funding
would
go
back
into
the
county
clerk's
offices
to
help
us
be
sure
that
we're
meeting
those
deadlines
that
was
set
forth
in
legislation.
H
There's
various
reasons
for
for
this.
You
know,
County
clerks
historically
has
have
applied
for
this
funding
because
it's
been
able
to
help
us
in
our
offices
whether
it's
bought
storage
for
us
to
be
able
to
house
more
books
as
we
have
land
transferring
the
more
land
that
transfers
the
more
mortgages
that
are
taken
out.
It
just
means
it's
more
paper
in
our
offices,
because
they're
permanent
records
that
we
must
keep
in
paper
form.
H
So
we
you
know,
we
saw
that
the
downturn
a
lot
of
Clerks
in
2021,
their
grants
were
not
approved
and
we
have
worked
to
try
to
as
an
association
try
to
provide
some
some
feedback
on
on
how
to
make
sure
that
our
grants
are
approved.
But
we're
going
to
talk
to
you
a
little
more
about
the
history
of
of
the
kdla
Grant
and
then
the
process
from
our
standpoint
on
kdla.
G
You
know
your
storage,
what
you
needed
their
expertise
would
help
you
to
prioritize
projects
in
the
office.
So
sometimes
maybe
I
want
to
do
one
thing,
but
my
regional
administrator
would
say
that's
a
great
idea,
but
you
have
these
books
here
and
I
think
this
is
what
we
really
need
to
do
and
at
one
point
my
regional
administrator
actually
found
a
gap
in
my
microfilming.
That
I
did
not
know
existed.
So
he
came
to
me
and
helped
me.
G
So
I
think
that
could
be
part
of
the
reason
maybe
less
clerks
are
applying.
Just
for
that
reason,
and
then
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
right
word.
It
I
mean
it's
a
lot
of
work
to
go
through
this,
and
so
it's
it's
hard
when
you
get
to
the
end
of
it
and
you've
been
dinged
for
something
that
maybe
you
had
the
wrong
version
of
the
form.
So
that's
where
the
RAS
would
come
in
and
be
very
helpful.
G
G
So
what
happens
is
clerks
will
submit
grants,
Grant
applications,
the
administrative
they'll
do
an
administrative
review
in-house
at
kdla,
and
then
this
local
committee
will
meet
and
what
happens
at
that
point
is
we
are
given
the
applications
and
we
review
them
and
score
them
with
the
sheet
provided
by
kdla,
but
at
the
same
time
the
review
commit.
The
administrative
review
has
already
gone
through
and
determined
what
was
appropriate
to
be
awarded
and
what
didn't
meet
the
standard.
So
by
the
time
the
clerks
and
others
come
to
this
point,
it's
been
somewhat
decided.
G
So
that's
even
though
the
clerks
are
serving
on
this.
Maybe
that's
not
the
best
route
to
go
as
far
as
our
input
and
then,
of
course,
the
way
the
schedule
with
the
grants.
Falls
often
conflicts
with
our
election
schedule,
so
I
know
Campbell
County,
Clerk
and
myself
were
not
able
to
attend
the
meeting
in
may.
He
was
doing
voting
machine
inspections
that
day
and
I
Was
preparing
for
early
voting,
and
there
was
another
one
where
we
had.
G
It
was
the
first
day
of
filing,
so
I
was
busy
taking
filing
papers
from
my
local
candidates,
so
I
think.
Maybe
that
calendar
could
be
addressed
as
well.
Just
for
clerks
to
you
know
be
more
involved.
I
know
we
want
to
be,
but
sometimes
that
is
a
conflict
and
then,
thirdly,
any
clerk
serving
on
that
committee
is
not
eligible
to
apply
for
Grants.
H
It
was
more
of
modernization
is
what
we
were
told
from
kdla,
which
is
just
a
play
on
words,
is
what
we
kind
of
feel
like
you
know,
we're
all
in
this
to
ensure
that
our
records
are
available
to
our
business
Community,
who
needs
these
records
to
be
able
to
conduct
business
and
when
we're
trying
to
apply
for
Grants
to
ensure
that
these
records
have
a
digital
format
it
shouldn't
matter.
If
it's
modernization
or
preservation,
it's
just
that
we
want
to
get
the
job
done.
H
Then
several
grants
have
received
only
partial
funding.
My
County
happens
to
be
one
of
those
we
we
have
been
proactive
in
Grant
County
during
downtime
of
our
land
records
department.
My
deputies
have
been
going
back
and
back
indexing,
which
is
the
most
the
most
costly
part
of
any
back
scanning
project,
is
ensuring
that
you
have
the
index
to
be
able
to
find
the
record.
If
you
don't
have
the
index,
then
you
can't
locate
that
record.
H
We
also
have
you
know
some
concerns
about
the
bidding
process.
It's
always
the
lowest
bid,
that's
selected
and,
as
we
know
in
projects
whether
you're,
you
know
just
looking
to
replace
something
at
your
home
or
something
on
a
larger
scale.
In
our
offices,
sometimes
the
lowest
bid
isn't
always
the
best.
H
Sometimes
the
lowest
bid
isn't
even
compatible
with
the
system
that
the
county
clerk
currently
has
in
place.
So
if
the
system's
not
compatible,
then
the
county
is
having
to
figure
out
how
to
format
or
convert
those
existing
record
or
the
new
records
into
their
existing
system,
which
is
costly
for
the
county.
At
that
point,
so
we
just
you
know
we
really
we've
been
really
successful
with
with
some
other
funding.
H
You
know
whether
we're
using
the
10
storage
fee
or
using
funding
out
of
our
own
offices
or
historically
with
kdla
when
I
first
came
into
office
in
2015.
The
first
state
office
that
reached
out
to
me
was
the
Kentucky
Department
of
library
and
archives,
and
at
that
time
my
representative
met
me
even
before
I
was
sworn
into
office
offered
to
come
and
meet
me
and
to
to
get
me
up
to
speed
as
to
what
we
needed
to
do
to
ensure
that
our
records
were
preserved
in
Grant
County.
At
that
time
there
were
zero
documents.
H
In
my
County
scanned
in
I'm
fortunate,
we
were
able
to
secure
grant
funding
for
several
years
through
the
kdla
grants,
but
that
that
has
changed.
We're
not
we're
not
seeing
the
funding
come
through
like
what
it
was
when
Stephanie
first
took
office
or
when
I
first
took
office,
and
we
really
have
concerns
for
our
new
clerks
who
are
coming
in,
who
don't
know
their
representatives
from
kdla.
G
If
that
can
Tabitha
on
the
bidding
process,
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
kdla
requires
that
you
have
three
bids
for
each
section
of
the
your
Grant
application.
So
you
have
to
provide
those
three
bids
in
your
packet,
but
then
the
lowest
bidder
which
Tabitha
mentioned
is
the
one
that's
actually
filled
in
on
that
section.
So
that's
how
that
comes
about
that.
You
may
have
your
vendor,
but
then
two
other
vendors
as
well,
so
just
as
a
further
explanation
as
to
how
that
requirement
works.
A
I
E
A
J
J
The
topic
that
I'll
be
addressing
is
the
local
records
grant
program.
The
local
records
grant
program
is
administered
by
kdla
and
is
for
any
local
government
office
interested
in
improving
the
management
and
preservation
of
its
public
records.
New
legislation
specifies
that
90
of
the
one
dollar
fee
will
go
towards
projects
of
the
county
clerks.
J
The
local
records
Grant
focuses
on
preservation,
which
may
include
projects
such
as
microfilming,
Vital,
Records,
re-recording,
damaged
records
or
purchasing
document
conservation
supplies
or
equipment.
The
full
list
is
available
on
our
website
and
in
the
grant
guidance
which
we'll
talk
about
on
the
next
slide.
J
J
The
project
goes
out
to
bid
and
all
the
information
is
provided
in
an
application
to
kdla,
noting
who
was
the
lowest
bid.
Anyone
who
needs
assistance
during
this
process
can
contact
our
local
records,
Branch
staff.
They
are
there
to
answer
any
questions
and
to
advise
before
I
speak
about
application.
Reviews
I
want
to
note
that
we
are
committed
to
providing
funding
for
these
projects.
As
long
as
funds
are
available
and
up
to
the
allotment
that
we
receive
each
year,
we
will
fund
every
application
that
meets
all
the
grant
requirements.
J
To
share
the
review
process
with
you,
the
first
step
in
the
process
is
that
the
local
records
branch
manager
will
review
each
for
completeness
and
compliance
step.
Two
is
that
the
local
records,
Grant
Review
Committee
reviews
and
scores
them.
Those
recommendations
are
presented
to
the
state,
libraries
archives
and
Records
commission.
They
review
those
recommendations
when
they
meet,
which
is
on
a
quarterly
basis.
J
There
are
two
funding
cycles.
Each
fiscal
year
cycle,
one
runs
January
through
June
and
cycle.
2
runs
July
through
December.
The
total
funding
from
2021
to
2023
has
equaled
2.67
million
dollars.
To
give
you
an
idea
about
the
amount
of
applications
and
what
was
funded
in
fiscal
2022.
92
percent
of
the
projects
were
funded
in
cycle
one
and
90
in
cycle.
Two
in
fiscal
2023,
100
percent,
were
funded
in
both
Cycles
in
the
first
cycle
of
fiscal
year.
J
2024
we
received
22
applications
and
15
of
those
were
awarded
for
those
not
awarded
I
will
talk
about
common
errors
on
the
next
slide,
to
provide
you
with
an
idea
about
why
an
application
may
not
have
been
approved
comes
down
to
some
common
errors.
The
most
common
is
that
three
bids
were
not
submitted
or
that
the
project
requests
something
that
the
criteria
does
not
allow,
such
as
uploading
scanned
records.
J
A
successful
application
will
demonstrate
how
these
funds
preserve
or
provide
greater
access
to
records.
We
can
highlight
that
there
are
some
elements
that
make
for
a
successful
project.
First,
the
urgency
of
the
problem.
This
may
be
due
to
some
kind
of
disaster,
such
as
what
happened
in
Graves
County,
because
they
applied
for
a
previous
local
records.
Grant
kdla
was
able
to
pull
218
rolls
of
microfilm
of
their
records
to
replace
those
that
were
lost
due
to
the
tornado.
K
J
L
J
B
M
K
B
And
so
I
would
really
ask
that
you
all
try
to
bridge
that
Communications
Gap
in
the
future,
because
I
think
that's
a
significant
problem
in
some
of
this
in
the
the
discussions
that
the
clerks
are
having
and
then
in
and
there
were
I
had
a
couple
of
three
different
presentations
in
my
in
my
booklet
here
and
so
I
was
looking
over
and
I
know.
One
of
the
things
is
there
was
a
a
discussion
of
modernization
versus
preservation
in
there,
and
I
also
know
that
there
was
something
stated
in
the
other
president.
B
B
J
B
So
what
what
my
inclination
here
is
and
what
I
think
is
really
really
important
in
this
discussion-
is
that
the
statute
should
take
preservation
or
take
precedent
over
the
administrative
regulation.
The
administrative
regulation
may
need
to
be
updated
to
come
in
line
with
the
statute,
and
so
I
would
ask
you
to
look
into
that
and
I.
B
Don't
understand
why
the
uploading
of
scan
digitized
images
is
prohibited
in
the
grant
process
either
because
I
know
one
of
the
other
things
that
it
says
specifically
on
the
other
is
to
improve
the
management
and
preservation
of
local
preservation
I
understand,
but
if
you're
talking
about
management,
the
indexing,
the
uploading,
the
ability
for
somebody
to
search
and
scan
those,
it
certainly
falls
under
management.
So
I,
don't
know
why.
B
J
A
Grant
approval
and
it
seems
like
the
clerks
while
being
included,
are
being
excluded
in
in
the
in
the
deeper
discussions
of
this
and
in
the
discussions
I've
had
with
some
that's
called
and
everything
it's
like
they're,
just
expected
to
rubber
stamp.
Whatever
is
done
behind
the
scenes
and
I
I,
just
wonder
if
you
could
explain
how
we
could
better
include
them
and
I
mean
their
the
scheduling
with
elections
and
their.
A
J
Since
I'm
new,
my
goal
is
to
improve
communication
across
the
board,
and
I
have
been
in
discussions
with
my
staff
about
how
we
may
be
able
to
do
that
and
part
of
that
questions
that
I
had
did
involve
the
Review
Committee.
My
understanding
is
that
the
initial
review
from
the
kdla
branch
staff
is
to
assure
that
each
of
the
pieces
is
in
compliance
and
that
the
application
is
not
incomplete,
so
every
grant
that
meets
those
requirements
is
passed
on
and
from
there
the
Grant,
Community
or
the
grant
committee
discusses.
A
Okay
and
I
I
know
you're
new
to
the
position.
Yes,
but
I
know
in
the
past,
there's
been
some
problems
with
payments
of
these
grants
follow
through
there.
There
have
been
actually
some
legal
suits
to
settle
that
and
I
believe
in
a
couple
of
them.
Kdla
was
found
to
be
deficient
on
their
side
and
I'm,
just
wondering
if
I
know,
we've
had
a
a
decent
turnover
of
Clerks
also
and
as
they
get
new,
you
know
as
a
new
person
coming
in
it's
difficult
to
get
adjusted
and
you've
got
certain
requirements.
A
No
matter
who's
in
the
role
they've
got
to
be
met
and
there's
expectations
and
getting
caught
up
is
crucial.
So
the
the
field
work,
the
area
agents
I'm
just
hearing
that
there
there
it
was
a
lot
better
and,
and
now
it's
not
so
you
know
it
could
be
that
we
need
more
than
four.
You
know,
and
we
can
look
at
that,
but
I
I've
got
several
questions
here
and
I'm
I'm
I'll
probably
take
them
up
privately.
That.
A
A
N
A
O
O
O
Okay
and
who
is
responsible
for
giving
the
vendors
guidance
as
far
as
what's
needed,
to
be
included
in
the
bid,
because
I'm
just
thinking
an
ounce
of
prevention
might
be
very
helpful
here
to
prevent
additional
expense
and
gaps
down
the
line
that
that
were
noted.
If
perhaps
the
vendors
could
be
given.
You
know,
a
checklist
of
your
bid
must
include
x,
y.
I
J
J
J
J
We
have
revised
all
the
documentation
for
this
process
and
all
documents
will
be
available
on
our
website
very
soon.
We
have
scheduled
training
for
directors
and
trustees
in
the
second
week
of
October
to
review
the
process
as
it
was.
The
library
board
would
vote
on
two
names
for
each
vacancy.
The
library
director
would
send
them
to
kdla
for
approval
kdla
confirms
they
are
eligible,
which
simply
means
that
we
verify
that
they're
following
term
limits.
J
J
The
new
procedure
is
more
complex
for
the
vacancy
for
an
expired
term.
You
have
an
alternative
process
and
no
alternative
process
for
the
vacancy
for
the
unexpired
term.
There
is
also
no
alternative
process
and
the
alternative
process.
We
will
be
finalizing
all
guidance
documents
and
anticipate
to
have
them
up
on
the
website
before
the
training
which
takes
place
on
October,
10th
and
12th,
and
we've
also
provided
a
few
links
for
you
to
learn
more
about
these
resources.
D
D
K
Good
morning
an
instance
where
that
could
happen
is
if
there
was
an
error,
the
processes
Miss
Lyons
went
through.
There
are
several
different
processes
for
a
library
to
follow
the
Board
of
Trustees
and
the
County
judge
executive,
and
so
the
submission
would
have
to
fall
under
would
have
to
follow
the
statutory
process.
So
that
could
be
a
reason
why
that
example
that
you
gave
might
occur.
D
K
Yes,
sir,
so
for
example,
as
Miss
Lyons
gave,
the
overview
of
there
are
several
processes,
so
one
process
would
be
if
the
library
has
adopted
has
not
adopted
an
alternative
process
for
an
expired
term.
So
if
the
term
of
the
individual
serving
has
expired,
then
the
kdla
would
follow
one's
process
that
is
set
out
in
statute.
K
If
the
expiration
it's
an
unexpired
term,
if
the
vacancy
is
being
filled
for
an
unexpired
term,
there
would
be
a
separate
statutory
process
that
would
be
followed,
and
so
whichever
process
is
followed
should
be
the
correct
statutory
process,
because
kdla
wants
to
follow
the
law
and
that's
and
the
statute
is
specific
on
on
how
those
are
filled.
Does
that
answer
the
question
it.
J
A
R
R
And
we've
been
invited
to
discuss
how
the
property
tax
values
are
arrived
up
by
pvas
through
the
valuation
process
and
then
to
provide
you
with
a
discussion
of
House
Bill
44,
how
the
local
taxing
districts
set
their
local
tax
property
tax
rates
based
on
those
assessments.
So
first
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Mr
O'neal.
F
Good
morning,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
the
pba's
office
has
a
has
a
number
of
responsibilities,
including
administering
various
property
tax
exemptions
like
agriculture,
the
most
rewarding
one
for
me
personally,
is
the
homestead
exemption,
but
also
charity,
government
education,
and
we
have
some
responsibilities
in
terms
of
valuation
of
Motor
Vehicles.
F
So
in
essence,
we
physically
inspect
and
reassess
every
property
in
the
county
once
every
four
years
and
in
fact,
we're
the
only
County
agency
that
I'm
aware
of
local
state
or
federal
level,
that
has
a
mandate
to
physically
set
foot
on
every
property
in
the
county,
and
so
that's
a
an
important
piece
of
what
we
do
in
placing
value.
So,
in
addition
to
the
physical
inspections,
the
other
big
chunk
of
that
is
statistical
analysis.
Where
we,
we
do
Market
studies,
we
analyze
all
of
the
sales
in
the
county.
We
we
build
models.
F
It
loses
its
efficacy
as
the
property
ages,
because
of
depreciation
and
and
and
that
type
of
thing.
So,
income
approach
is
the
next
one.
That's
almost
exclusively
for
commercial
property.
What
will
an
investor
be
willing
to
pay
for
a
piece
of
property
based
on
what
the
revenue
stream
of
that
property
would
generate,
and
then
some
type
of
an
expected
rate
of
return,
and
we
use
this
for
nearly
all
commercial
property
which
includes
the
multi-family
apartment
complexes.
So
what
will
the
rents
generate?
F
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
we'll
drill
down
into
one
neighborhood
in
particular,
if
you're
familiar
with
Fayette
County,
this
is
meadowthorpe
just
inside
New,
Circle
Road
off
Leestown
Road,
and
this
is
one
of
the
300
counties.
So
we
reassess
a
fourth
of
the
county
every
year,
so
about
a
fourth
of
those
300
neighborhoods
are
about
75.
It's!
F
It
works
out
in
Fayette
County
to
be
about
25
000,
to
30
000
homes
a
year
are
reassessed
and
we
do
it
on
a
neighborhood
by
neighborhood
basis
and
again,
what
you
see
here
is
meadowthorpe,
and
this
is
a
sales
map
and
what
I'm,
what
I'm
demonstrating
here?
Those
are
the
36
most
recent
comparable
sales
within
metaphor
that
may
be
used
to
place
value
in
that
particular
neighborhood,
and
this
particular
map
that
you
see
here,
I'm
mailed
to
every
property
owner
in
metaphor,
who
was
reassessed.
F
F
F
Do
full-blown
appraisals,
we
don't
go
inside
homes.
We
do
basically
those
physical
inspections
I
referenced
a
minute
ago,
our
windshield
inspections,
and
then
this
is
the
comp
page.
This
is
similar
to
what
you
would
see
in
appraisal,
where
you
see
the
comps
adjusted
for
each
individual
property.
The
one
on
the
far
left
is
the
subject
property.
F
This
is
the
reassessment
notice
we
use
in
Fayette
County
and
this
by
the
way,
has
been
recognized
and
commended
by
iao,
as
as
a
superior
assessment
notice,
because
we
provide
the
comparable
sales
right
on
the
assessment
notice.
So
it's
been
my
belief
as
long
as
I've
been
pvas
that
the
reassessment
process
should
be,
it
should
be
iterative
and
it
should
be
in
the
taxpayer.
The
property
ownership
should
be
participatory
in
the
process,
so
when
they
get
the
assessment
notice
in
the
mail.
For
me,
that's
my
best
estimate
at
Value.
F
But
again
this
is
mass,
assessing
windshield
inspections
when
we're
out
and
standing
in
front
of
a
house
and
looking
at
it,
that's
our
one
opportunity
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
subjectivity
to
it.
We're
looking
at
that
house
compared
to
the
other
houses
in
the
neighborhood
and
trying
to
make
a
determination
of
where
it
is
relative
to
the
others
in
terms
of
condition,
deferred,
maintenance,
desirability,
utility.
That
type
of
thing,
and
with
with
the
assumption
that
the
outside
of
the
house
is
a
pretty
good
indicator.
F
F
So
the
assessment
notice
we're
giving
them
the
five
actual
comps
that
we
use,
but
also
the
sales
map
on
the
back,
which
is
another
36,
so
basically
we're
providing
41
comps
to
every
taxpayer,
with
their
assessment
notice
and
the
language
on
the
assessment.
Now
this
is
basically,
you
know.
Please
participate
in
this
process
if
we
didn't
get
it
right.
Let
us
know
so
out
of
the
25
000
30
assessment
notices
we'll
send
out
every
year
we'll
hear
from
5,
000
taxpayers
and
and
walk
them
through
that
process.
F
But
these
assessment
notices
obviously
have
answered
a
lot
of
questions
up
front.
It
used
to
be
you
just
get
a
postcard
in
the
mail.
Here's
your
new
value.
You
know
here's
our
phone
number,
but
this
answers
a
lot
more
questions,
and
we
have
found
this
to
be
to
be
very
useful
as
far
as
that
goes.
So
what
we've
seen?
What
you
see
here
are
median
sale
prices
in
Fayette
County
over
the
last
10
years
in
2012,
up
to
current
in
2012
the
median
sale
price.
F
Half
the
people
buying
a
house
in
Fayette
County
could
do
so
for
150
000
in
2012.
10
years
later
fast
forward,
it
is
doubled,
median
sale
price
is
now
over
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
was
280
000
at
the
conclusion
of
2022
100.
So
in
this
period
of
time
you
would
have
been
reassessed
potentially
three
times
and
in
three
reassessments,
your
your
evaluation
would
have
doubled.
2012
is
a
good
year
to
start
with.
That
was
the
first
year.
F
We
really
saw
recovery
coming
out
of
the
recession,
so
this
is
that's
where
it
began
to
start
going
up
but
notice
in
the
first
six
or
seven
years,
or
so
those
increases
were
pretty
modest.
So
a
quadrennial
reassessment
plan
worked
out
pretty
good
over
a
period
of
four
years.
You
know
you'd
see
some
increases,
nothing
too
crazy.
Look
at
the
last
four
or
five
years,
though,
where
we're
seeing
10
12
percent
increase
in
median
sale
price
a
year.
F
F
So
here
is
shrink
that
down
a
little
bit
to
just
2019.
You
know
what
that's
kind
of
what
it
looked
like
going
into
the
the
pandemic
median
sale
price
a
little
over
200
000
at
the
beginning
of
2023.
It
was
280
000,
so
a
forty
percent
increase
in
median
sale,
price
and
I'm
using
median
sale
price
here,
because
it
is
a
good
indicator
of
what
what's
happening
with
property
values
from
our
standpoint
it
lags
by
a
year
or
so,
but
it's
a
pretty
good
snapshot
of
what
the
trend
is
on
property
value.
F
So
I
know
that
some
of
you
have
probably
heard
from
constituents.
Obviously
we
do
too
that's
our
job
to
hear
from
constituents
when
they
get
the
the
assessment
notices,
but
I
know
that
some
of
those
calls
are
now
trickling
through
to
other
members
of
government
who
want
to
know
why
in
the
world,
are
we
seeing
these
these
Sky
High
reassessments
and-
and
this
is
the
answer-
this
is
what
we're
seeing
in
the
housing
market.
R
Thank
you
David.
Once
a
PVA
finishes,
their
reassessment
work.
They
didn't
report.
Those
assessment
totals
to
our
department,
the
office
of
property
valuation,
where
we
compile
them
and
add
also
which
is
filed
in
the
PVA
PVA
Office,
the
tangible
property
tax
returns.
We
had
those
tangible
assessment
totals
to
this
document
here
in
front
of
you.
It's
our
certification
that
goes
to
the
local
officials
every
year.
R
It
gives
an
indication
of
the
all
the
assessments,
and
then
we
multiply
it
by
the
state
rates
to
get
an
idea
of
what
kind
of
state
revenues
are
being
generated
by
each
property
class,
and
we
use
that
to
make
sure
that
the
tax
bills
are
printed
accurately
as
well.
We
compare
that
certification
with
the
actual
receipt
that
is
received
by
the
sheriff,
so
their
tax
bills.
We
are
assured
that
tax
bills
are
representing
those
assessments
on
the
next
slide.
R
This
is
what
goes
to
the
Department
department
for
local
government
and
this
Builds
on
the
PVA
assessments
that
you
just
saw.
We
have
their
pvass
real
estate,
PVA
assist
tangible
property
property,
but
then
we
also
add
centrally
assessed
property.
That's
your
public
service
companies.
There's
also
a
line
for
distilled
spirits
and
their
new
property,
Homestead
exemptions.
All
that
information
then
goes
to
the
department
for
local
government
where
they
begin
the
local
property
tax
rate
calculation
and
we'll
talk
about
or
Jared
we'll
talk
about
that
in
just
a
minute.
R
But
I
wanted
to
show
you
on
the
next
Slide.
The
assessment
increases
on
a
Statewide
basis
that
Mr
O'neill
just
alluded
to
in
Fayette
County
there
it's
going
crazy
in
Fayette
County.
Well,
it's
going
very
well
or
or
very
crazy,
I
guess
in
the
state
as
well.
You
can
see
that
for
the
last
three
years
we
were
up.
You
know
5.6
percent
in
2021,
but
that
does
cause
the
state
rate
to
go
down
a
little
bit
from
12.2
to
11.9
cents
per
hundred.
That's
in
accordance
with
the
state
provisions
of
house
bill
44..
R
T
R
Four
percent,
then
the
state,
real
property
tax
rate
is
supposed
to
come
down
to
compensate
for
that
assessment
increase
so
for
the
last
three
years
has
gone
down
from
12.2
to
11.4
cents
per
hundred
at
the
state
level
to
accommodate
or
compensate
for
those
Statewide.
Real
property
assessment
totals
that
you
see
so
without
after
that,
I
will
talk
to
about
the
local
property
tax
rate,
same
process
and
I'll.
Let
Jared
Taylor
from
dlg
take
over
from
here.
S
Thank
you
Tom.
Thank
you
all
for
having
us
here
today
to
explain
this.
It's
it's
a
little
complicated
I
know
it
it
it's
kind
of
hard
to
wrap
your
head
around
I've
been
doing
this
I've
been
working
for
the
Department
for
six
years,
been
doing
this
for
about
the
last
three
or
so
and
last
year,
so
I've
really
been
able
to
understand
what
I'm
doing
with
it.
S
I
the
the
gentleman
who
ran
this
program
before
me,
retired
at
the
beginning
of
last
year,
and
it's
it's
been
our
thing
since
dlg
is
required
to
can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
dlg
is
required
to
produce
a
compensating
rate
and
a
four
percent
Revenue
rate
based
on
the
assessments
that
we
get
from
Department
of
Revenue,
that
compensating
rate
is
supposed
to
be
exclusive
of
new
property,
homestead
exemption
things
of
that
nature,
and
it's
required
to
be
the
equivalent
amount
of
Revenue
that
was
received
in
the
prior
year.
S
So
there's
a
there's
a
bit
of
a
misconception
that
the
compensating
rate
is
just
a
a
tax
hike.
It
is
not
it
compensates
the
county
and
keeps
them
at
a
level
Revenue
stream.
We'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
it.
It
runs
like
I,
say
the
compensating
rate
keeps
the
county
level
year
to
year.
So
if
the
county
is
generating-
let's
say
a
million
dollars,
and
that
might
be
optimistic
for
some
counties,
it
might
be
low
for
others.
S
If
they're
generating
a
million
dollars
in
Revenue
from
year
to
year,
it's
going
to
be
a
million
dollars
every
year
that
compensating
rate
is
going
to
drive
in
a
million
dollars
worth
of
Revenue
into
the
county
budget.
The
county
is
allowed
to
also
take
a
higher
rate,
they're
not
required
to
take
just
that
compensating
rate.
They
can
take
a
rate,
that's
lower
than
the
compensating
rate.
We
just
calculate
what
that
compensating
rate
is,
and
what
that
four
percent
rate
is
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
why
we
do
a
four
percent
rate.
S
I
think
it's
kind
of
arbitrary
I
think
it's
just
mostly
a
benchmark
for
the
county
to
see
this
is
what
the
compensating
rate
is,
and
this
is
what
the
four
percent
would
look
like.
You
could
have
made
that
five
percent
eight
percent
ten
percent,
whatever
the
case
might
be,
but
the
county
is
required
to
adopt
a
rate.
It
can
be
anything
that
they
choose,
we
just
provide
them
the
compensating
right
and
four
percent
the
compensating
and
four
percent
do
not
apply
to
tangible
or
tangible
personal
property
or
motor
vehicle.
S
It
can
be
adopted
in
a
single
meeting
of
the
court,
so
it's
almost
designed
to
make
it
easy
for
counties
to
adopt
the
compensating
rate.
This
is
allows
for
them
to
have
a
predictable
level
of
income.
If
the
county
wants
to
choose
anything
higher
than
the
compensating
rate,
let's
say,
for
example,
the
compensating
rate
was
12
cents
per
hundred
and
the
four
percent
rate
for
a
single
County
was
12.5
cents
per
hundred.
The
county
could
adopt
a
rate
that
was
higher
than
the
compensating
rate
higher
than
the
12
cents.
We're
talking
about.
S
They
could
do
a
12.12
12.3
when
they
do
krs-68
245
requires
them
to
have
a
hearing
that
hearing
requires
advertisement
in
two
consecutive
weeks.
They
have
to
listen
to
their
constituents
and
their
concerns
regarding
a
tax
hike.
This
this
amounts
to
a
tax
hike
for
that
County.
If
there
is
a
if
they
decide
to
raise
it
above
the
four
percent
rate,
it
is
subject
to
recall
that
any
rate
higher
than
the
four
percent
is
subject
to
recall.
We
don't
in
Kentucky
have
a
lot
of
those
California
Idaho
Oregon.
S
They
have
a
recall
every
other
week,
but
this
is
one
of
those
situations
where
we
have
that
ability
here
and
that
process
is
outlining
KRS
132
17.
I
can
get
into
that
more.
If
you
want
me
to,
but
for
the
sake
of
brevity
here,
I
think
I'll
just
move
past
it,
the
county,
has
45
days
to
adopt
a
rate,
and
that's
simply
so
that
we
can
get
those
rates
onto
the
sheriff's
bill.
S
I
think
is
where
that
derives
from
they've
got
45
days
from
the
date
of
the
certification
of
Mr
Crawford,
who
signs
that
initial
certification
Bill
the
county,
has
if
they
don't
get
that
done
within
that
time
frame,
they
take
the
compensating
rate
by
default.
Again,
it's
it's
almost
as
if
this
was
designed
to
shoot
for
that
compensating
rate,
which
is
it's
a
good
thing,
it's
kind
of
a
brilliant
design
because
it
allows
counties
to
have
the
same
Revenue
predictable
Revenue
year
after
year
after
year,.
S
When
it
comes
to
personal
motor
vehicle,
we
do
not
set
that
counties
set
those
rates
on
their
own
for
personal
and
that's
from
year
to
year.
There
is
no
compensating
rate
that
goes
along
with
that.
We
don't
even
give
them
up
what
prediction
of
what
something
like
that
might
be.
There
is
a
maximum
rate
allowed.
It
is
dependent
upon
what
they
choose
for
their
compensating
rate.
We
have
a
worksheet
that's
available
to
them.
S
S
When
we
go
to
start
calculating
these
things
and
creating
a
benchmark,
we
we
have
what
those
rates
were,
but
we
don't
know
what
could
have
been
so
if
a
county
could
have
taken
16
cents
per
100
for
a
vehicle
in
1983,
but
only
elected
to
take
14
cents.
We
don't
know
what
that
Gap
is.
We'll
only
have
the
record
for
the
14
cents,
but
that's
that's
everything
we
have
or
I
have
and
I
I
think
we're
willing
we're
glad
to
take
any
questions
that
you
might
have
I've.
L
L
Were
yes,
we
were
horse.
Racing
brings
a
lot
of
people
together,
Mr
chairman
David,
you
alluded
to
this
spike
in
property
values
that
you're
seeing
in
Fayette
County
and
we're
seeing
it
in
Scott
County
as
well
and
I've
had
a
lot
of
complaints
from
Property
Owners
about
getting
30
40
percent
increase
on
their
assessment.
L
Luckily,
our
Fiscal
Court
took
the
positive
step
of
actually
cutting
property
taxes.
I,
don't
think
local
governments
need
30
or
40
percent.
More
Revenue
I've
seen
Keiko
Representatives
out
here
are
probably
going
to
have
a
meltdown
at
that
statement,
but
I
think
they
need
to
learn
to
live
within
their
means,
like
the
rest
of
us,
are
doing
during
this
inflationary
economy.
L
So
while
they
took
a
cut
in
the
tax
rate,
a
lot
of
the
other
taxing
entities
in
my
County
did
not
our
school
board
actually
raised
taxes
and
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
complaints
from
property
owners
who
want
us
to
take
another
look
at
House
Bill
44,
to
see
if
there
are
further
protections
that
can
be
built
in
to
ensure
that
when
Market
factors
Drive
the
value
of
their
homes,
up
I
mean
that's.
That's
a
that's
an
on
paper
value.
L
If
you
all
have
any
recommendations
on
further
taxpayer
protections
that
we
could
build
in
to
give
them
some
assurances
that
they're
not
going
to
see
these
huge
tax
increases
when
their
property
goes
up
again,
it's
not
like
the
value
in
their
savings
account
or
their
checking
accounts
going
up.
It's
it's
paper
value,
so
I
appreciate
your
input
on
that
David
and
the
other
gentleman
as
well.
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
F
F
F
You
know
one
of
the
recommendations
we
hear,
probably
the
most
as
a
result
of
these
conversations
and
from
taxpayer
is
surely
there's
a
limit
as
to
how
much
you
can
increase
me
in
any
given
year,
and
the
fact
is
that
there's
not
it's.
The
Constitution
says
100
percent
Fair
cash
value,
and
so
you
know
a
change
like
that.
Is
it
possible
to
implement
some
type
of
a
of
a
cap?
F
But
you
know
you
know
one
of
the
primary
concerns
and
tasks
that
we
have
as
a
PVA
is
to
administer
the
the
tax
laws
fairly
and
equitably
towards
towards
every
taxpayer.
So
how
do
you
implement
that?
Where
the
people
who
are
reassessed
last
year
were
reassessed
it
to
100
Fair
cash
value
and
next
year?
Perhaps
we
we
capped
that
somewhere.
So
as
an
association,
we
don't
have
a
recommendation.
I
personally,
don't
have
a
recommendation,
but
you
know
like
I,
demonstrated
in
the
the
first
Slide
the
median
sale
prices.
F
Usually
the
procedure
works
out
pretty
well,
we
just
we
find
ourselves
in
a
housing
market
situation
right
now.
That's
that's
not
unique
to
Kentucky
not
unique
to
Lexington.
There
is
a
shortage
of
housing
product
and
supply,
and
demand
dictates
that
that
means
prices
go
up
and
hopefully
that
will
be
short-lived.
But
right
now
we've
been
through
a
full
cycle
of
it.
L
I
can
can
I
follow
up
on
David's
comment.
Yeah
I,
figured
you'd
say
something
like
that,
because
that's
what
my
PVA
said
as
well
and
I
understand
the
limits
you
you
are.
You
all
have
from
the
Constitution
and
the
statute
and
and
I'm
not
suggesting
this
is
you're.
All's
fault
I
mean
you're
following
the
law
and
and
I
get
that
and
I'm
a
big
believer
in
the
market
economy,
and
you
know
the
home
prices
are
being
driven
up
because
of
supply
and
demand,
and
eventually
it
will
likely
take
care
of
itself.
L
Free
markets
generally
do
that,
but
in
the
meantime
people's
taxes
are
going
up
and
they
feel
it's
unfair,
because
it's
not
like
that
cash
is
in
the
bank
for
them.
They've,
they've
they're
being
hit
with
higher
grocery
costs.
Higher
gas
costs
lots
of
other
inflationary
pressures,
and
they
feel
like
that.
L
This
is
a
again
a
paper
value
that
they're
being
asked
to
pay
a
higher
tax
on,
so
I
would
suggest
here
we
are
in
September,
26th,
David
I
think
it
would
be
advisable
that
the
PVA
Association
come
up
with
a
recommendation
to
bring
to
the
legislature.
Otherwise
we
may
come
up
with
one
on
our
own
and
you
may
like
the
suggestion
you
come
up
with
better
than
the
one
that
we
come
up
with.
So
just
some
friendly
advice,
old
friend,
understood.
B
You
Mr
chairman
and
following
up
on
Senator
Thayer,
seems
to
be
a
theme
for
the
day,
but
David
first
I've
got
a
question
and
it's
really
more
of
a
curiosity
question
that
deals
directly
with
the
presentation.
But
when
you
talked
about
the
median
home
price
over
that
decade
that
you
had
in
that
slide,
have
you
looked
back
at
previous
decades
to
see
what
that
increase
is
over
previous
decades
prior
to
the
one
that
we
find
ourselves
currently
in.
F
No
I
have
not
spent
as
much
time
looking
at
those
in
decades
prior
to
say.
2000
now
I
came
into
office
in
early
2009,
which
was
basically
day
one
of
the
recession,
so
2004
2005
in
Fayette
County
were
kind
of
the
heydays
in
the
real
estate
market.
More
homes
were
sold
in
2004
2005
than
ever
before,
or
ever
since.
Actually-
and
it's
also
worth
noting
that
that
the
number
of
new
homes
that
we
would
bring
online
in
Fayette
County,
when
we
would
add
inventory
to
the
real
estate
market,
would
look
like
the
trend.
F
You
know
if
you
would
see,
6
000
homes
were
sold,
a
certain
percentage
of
those
would
be
new
construction
and
the
new
construction
Trends
looked
like
the
trends
of
the
real
estate
market
overall,
but
since
the
recession,
they'd
no
longer
looked
like
that,
we
built
about
500
houses
a
year
in
Fayette
County,
regardless
of
what's
happening
in
the
market.
That's
that's
been
our
limit
and
so
that's
been
a
significant
impede
impediment
to
to
the
supply
But
to
answer
your
question.
I
have
not
spent
much
time
analyzing
prior
decades
and.
E
B
B
B
It
gets
very
difficult
otherwise,
because
some
folks
are
going
to
be
hitting
the
first
year
of
that
cycle
when
the
cycle
really
increases.
But
it's
going
to
level
out
over
that
period
of
four
years,
because
again,
the
the
downward
pressure
on
those
rates
because
of
what
happens
with
House,
Bill
44,
but
I
think
you
know,
we've
done
some
things
about
technology
and
assessing
by
technology
instead
of
assessing
by
direct
direct
viewing
of
the
property
direct
assessment
of
the
property.
B
Maybe
that's
something
we
need
to
take
into
a
into
a
further
place
so
that
maybe
we
can
speed
that
cycle
up
somehow
or
another
and
I
don't
know
if
that
would
work
just
with
the
schedules
and
the
calendars
and
everything
else
like
that.
But
but
maybe
that
technology
is
something
we
need
to
expand
on
to
some
degree.
Yes,
sir.
U
U
The
the
prime
Market
rates
is
what
dictates
housing
price
changes.
You
know
you
in
the
when
we
switched
from
the
80s
to
the
90s.
We
saw
a
big
jump
because
we
finally
came
off
the
early
80s
17
to
20
rates.
The
problem
with
now
and
as
Senator
Thayer
referred
to
it
as
as
an
inflationary
economy
or
now
we're
now
in
a
situation
where
rates
are
rising,
but
so
are
home
prices
and
that's
that's
the
inverse
of
what
we've
seen
before
when
we're
looking
at
this.
U
So
like
safety
nets
like
House,
Bill
44
like
as
you
described
it,
representative
Meredith
is
it.
Maybe
it
is
time
to
to
bolster
that
or
make
that
stronger
in
situations
like
this,
where
a
free
market
economy
we're
seeing
an
anomaly
and
as
Senator
Thayer
pointed
out,
it
will
correct
itself
eventually.
But
what
do
we
do
for
the
pain?
That's
happening
right
now,
because
you
can't
refinance
your
HELOC
to
have
that
extra
cash
available
because
the
rates
are
so
high.
It
doesn't
make
any
sense.
So
we
are
work.
U
I
think
that's
a
I'm,
proud
of
of
our
legislature
recognizing
this
issue,
because
this
is
something
that's
hitting
the
pocketbooks
of
our
of
our
taxpayers
and
our
citizens.
You
know:
we've
got
a
constitutional
mandate.
We've
talked
about
that,
but
maybe
there
are
situations
we
can
all
come
to
the
table
and
provide
a
stronger
safety
net
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
hitting
hitting
our
taxpayers
too
hard
until
we
do
get
that
Equalization.
F
Can
I
follow
up
just
real
quickly
on
on
Andrew's
point
and
it's
a
good
one,
because
it's
it's
part
and
parcel
of
these
conversations
that
we're
having
from
from
Property
Owners
interest
rates
are
high.
That
means
my
value
has
to
be
going
down
right
and-
and
in
fact
that's
not
the
case,
because
homeowners
are
reluctant
to
sell
their
house
right
now.
They
want
to
keep
that
low
interest
rate
locked
in.
So
it's
having
just
the
opposite
effect.
Interest
rates
are
going
up.
S
And
a
comment
I'd
like
to
add
and
I
didn't
explain
it
very
well,
is
that,
with
the
compensating
rate
when
home
values
go
up,
the
compensating
rate
typically
goes
down.
So,
as
you
have
more
more
assets
available
to
you
that
that
rate
drops
down
to
keep
that
minimum
threshold
of
Revenue
coming
in
if
home
prices
drop,
then
that
rate
then
goes
up.
P
P
S
P
F
U
There's
been
some
experiment,
I
mean
the
FAA
is
getting
stronger
in
regulating
drones
and
Heights
and
such
like
that
we
do,
as
our
budgets
allow.
We
do
purchase
aerial
imagery,
flyovers
as
often
as
possible,
especially
of
course
I
only
get
30
new
houses
a
year,
but
I'm
having
a
stream.
We
have
we're
having
a
significant
boom
there
downtown
industry
moving
into
Henderson
County.
So
those
we
do
use
aerial
imagery,
maybe
not
direct
drone,
close
range
imagery,
but
we
do
purchase
every
County
I
believe
now
has
aerial
imagery.
P
U
On
that
absolutely
dude,
I
think
I
think
there
should
be
a
comparison
to,
like
you
say,
the
time,
value
or
the
value
of
of
currency
at
its
current
stage,
and
that's
inflation
I,
don't
believe
I,
don't
believe.
Inflation
is
necessarily
a
key
cog
to
that
formula.
But
I
think
it's
absolutely
true
that
if
you've
got
a
seven
percent
inflation
and
you
can
only
take
four
percent-
we've
got
a
taxpayer-
that's
paying
40
percent
more
plus
four
percent,
but
their
money
is
worth
less
to
begin
with,
because
of
inflation.
I
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
as
a
point
of
personal
privilege,
Mr
chairman
I'm,
having
a
huge
amount
of
deja
vu
over
here
and
and
I'm.
Look
almost
looking
for
that
other
hat
that
I
used
to
wear.
But
having
spent
30
years
in
that
office,
I
was
actually
a
deputy
when
House
Bill
44
was
signed
when
lieutenant
governor
signed
it.
I
When
the
governor
was
out
of
state
and
everybody
was
very
excited
about
it
and
it
was
sixty
five
hundred
dollars
and
now
it's
46
350,
but
the
every
two
year
CPI
increase
is
not
keeping
up
with
inflation
and
I.
Think
that's
the
thing
we
have
to
tackle
more
so
than
trying
to
make
a
constitutional
amendment
over
the
100,
fair
market
value.
I.
Think
that's
going
to
be
a
harder
thing
to
do.
I
My
PVA
Colleen
younger,
has
recently
sent
out
and
I
believe
it
went
to
everybody,
or
it
might
have
just
gone
to
Jefferson
County,
a
document
that
she
referred
to
as
circuit
breaker
Solutions,
and
there
were
a
lot
of
really
good
recommendations
in
it,
particularly
focusing
on
House
Bill
44.
A
lot
of
good
graphs
and
I
would
suggest
David
that
you
have
her
resend,
that
to
all
all
the
general
assembly
and.
I
Q
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
all
for
your
presentation
and
just
a
note
of
also
Personal
Privilege
Mr
mule
does
a
phenomenal
job
in
Fayette,
County
I
think
you
do
such
a
great
job
in
communicating
to
your
constituents
with
information
answering
conversations
so
those
questions
that
they
get.
Why
is
this
go
up?
Why
is
it
not
help
me
understand
and
I
think
it's
a
great
job
at
modernizing
the
office
and
providing
great
customer
service.
Thank.
Q
So
that
being
said,
I
this
conversation
about
the
four
percent
in
local
governments.
I
know
in
Fayette
County.
They
have
reduced
those
rates
so
as
not
to
have
the
voter
recall
on
the
assessment
and
I'm
just
curious.
If
you've
got
a
sentence
Statewide,
how
many
local
communities
are
looking
at
they're
four
percent
and
trying
to
stay
above
or
below
so
I.
Don't
have
that
recall.
S
S
We
usually
get
those
in
the
spring
what
the
county
adopts
as
a
in
terms
of
a
rate
we
get
those
in
the
spring
when
we
review
the
county
budgets,
so
I
won't
have
that
information
right
now,
a
few
Counties
have
submitted
information
to
us.
We
keep
that
we
log
it,
but
we
don't
have
a
you
know.
An
idea
of.
U
What
that's,
what
that's
going
to
be
yeah
all
I
have
is
anecdotal.
There's
been
one
school
school
system
proposed
a
greater
than
four
percent
one
time
since
I've
been
in
office.
It
was
recalled,
but
it
failed
at
the
vote
so
that
it
did
go
through,
but
that's
the
only
time.
It's
the
only
time
it's
been
attempted
it
was
recalled,
but
it
did
ultimately
pass
or
fail.
Depending
on
how
you
look
at
it.
The
increase
did
go
through
I.
Q
Q
We
talk
a
lot
about
not
just
just
affordable
housing
but
housing,
affordability,
because
housing
affordability
is
for
everyone,
who's
looking
for
a
home
and
wants
to
invest,
and
when
you
have
that
shrinkage,
the
people
that
are
kind
of
impacted,
the
most
are
the
seniors
who
can't
afford
to
leave
their
home,
meaning
they've
either
paid
for
it
or
they
have
a
homestead
exemption
or
in
that
market,
where
they
might
be
wanting
to
downsize.
But
they're
selling
a
house,
that's
300
000
and
the
senior
living
is
six
hundred
thousand.
Q
F
F
Q
Q
So
that's
it's,
a
real
Challenge
and
I
think
is.
We
want
to
provide
more
affordability
and
accessibility
for
families
to
build
wealth
and
build
generational
wealth.
That
is
a
huge
barrier,
and
this
plays
a
part
in
that
conversation.
So
I
appreciate
what
you
all
do
and
look
forward
to
some.
Maybe
potential
recommendations,
yeah.
F
Thank
you,
and
so
this
year
our
school
board
did
not
go
above
the
four
percent,
but
they
did
last
year.
So
to
your
point
into
Senator
Thayer's
point
about:
do
the
local
districts
need,
you
know,
20
increase.
So
since
we
only
do
a
fourth
of
the
county
a
year,
you
know
the
tax
roll.
The
overall
tax
roll
in
Fayette
County
last
year
grew
eight
percent.
F
So
that's
what
the
school
board
you
know
got
closer
to
eight
percent
rather
than
than
stick
to
their
Force.
So
since
we
only
reassess
25
a
year
last
year,
75
percent
of
the
property
owners
in
Fayette
County
would
have
gotten
a
tax
cut
if
the
if
the
compensating
tax
rate
had
been
allowed
to
go
into
effect,
but
the
school
board
decided
to
increase
that,
so
it
ended
up
being
a
a
net
increase
for
100
of
the
property
owners.
B
You
Mr
chairman
for
your
Indulgence
on
that
and
I'll
try
to
be
brief.
It's
really
more
of
a
comment
and
I
could
literally
sit
here
as
a
as
a
banker
and
a
legislator
who
has
been
engaged
in
local
government
issues
for
a
long
time.
I
could
sit
here
and
talk
about
housing,
inventory
and
property
taxes
and
those
kinds
of
things
all
day
long,
but.
I
B
B
If
you
look
across
the
state
at
property
taxes,
the
big
pieces
of
school
systems,
if
you
look
I
think
on
average
in
unincorporated
areas,
the
school
board
rate
makes
up
somewhere
between
80
and
85
percent
of
the
tax
bill
and
in
an
incorporated
area,
I
think
it's
somewhere
between
55
and
65
percent.
That
number
has
fluctuated
over
the
years
and
I.
Don't
know
the
exact
number
today,
but
over
50
generally
anywhere
you're
at
in
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky
over
50
percent
of
your
property
tax
bill.
B
When
you
look
at
it
is
the
school
board
rate,
not
the
city
or
the
county
rate
and
I
think
many
times
the
taxpayer,
and
even
those
of
us
in
Frankfort
who
may
not
be
as
engaged
in
these
processes.
Think
about
the
city
and
county
because
that's
who
the
bill
comes
from,
it
doesn't
come
from
the
school
board,
but
I
think
it's
awfully
important
that
as
we
have
this
discussion,
we
interject
the
piece
of
when
you
look
at
property
taxes.
L
Thanks
Mr
chairman
this
is
this
has
been
a
great
discussion
and
it's
proof
to
some
of
our
newer
members.
You
never
know
where
a
committee
meeting
is
going
to
go
oftentimes,
they
don't
go
anywhere,
but
this
one
I
think
has
first
of
all,
I
love
the
the
talk
about
supply
and
demand
and
market
economics.
It's
been
great
and
having
so
many
members
engaged
in
that
discussion
today
has
been
really
helpful,
I
think
back
to
what
Senator
Harper
angel
said,
great
history
lesson
and
and
let's
I
want
to
expand
on
what
she
said.
L
It
was
in
the
late
70s
when
House
Bill
44
was
passed.
When
then
Governor
Julian
Carroll
was
out
of
town,
the
lieutenant
governor
became
acting
Governor,
Martha,
Stovall,
correct
Thelma,
Thelma,
sorry,
Thelma
Stovall
and
called
a
special
session
and
passed
house
bill.
44.
I
mean
really
an
amazing
maneuver
by
the
lieutenant
governor
at
the
time
and
back
then,
of
course,
we
elected
lieutenant
governor
separately
from
the
governor,
so
there
may
not
have
been
as
much
loyalty.
L
So
maybe
it's
time
that
we
look
at
reforms
to
house
bill.
44.
I
agree
with
Senator
Harper
Angel.
A
constitutional
amendment
on
this
topic.
I
think,
is
a
bridge
too
far.
I
think
we're
going
to
be
very
Discerning
about
Constitutional
Amendments
moving
forward
and
you
know
I
think
it's
going
to
be
other
issues
that
are
going
to
be
tackled
when
it
comes
to
Constitutional
Amendments
talk
about
that
another
time.
Another
place,
but
I
do
think.
L
This
discussion
has
shown
that
there
are
a
lot
of
good
Minds
on
the
topic
and
I'm
going
to
go
back
and
to
what
I
said
David.
If
you
guys
could
come
with
a
recommendation
and
I
would
say,
keep
the
chairman
of
local
government
in
the
loop
and
also
I'm
going
to
look
at
my
colleague
across
the
room
there,
representative
Meredith.
This
is
right
in
his
wheelhouse
and
in
the
chamber
that
I
serve
in
I,
think
Senator,
Harper,
Angel
and
Senator
Bledsoe,
Mays
Bledsoe.
L
It
would
probably
be
interested
in
being
a
part
of
the
discussion
and,
and
maybe
the
folks
at
the
at
the
school
boards
Association
back
to
representative
Meredith's
point
so
that
would
that
would
be
my.
My
action
item
is
that
we
look
at
some
taxpayer
protection
potential
adjustments
to
House
Bill
44
with
that
group
of
people
and
anyone
else
who
may
be
interested.
You
should
alert
the
chairman.
A
Are
we
having
as
big
a
problem
with
some
of
the
commercial
evaluations?
Now,
as
we
were
a
few
years
ago,
because
you
had,
we
had
testimony
that
there
were
the
three
evaluation
methods
the
income
approach
was
included
in
that
I
know,
we've
had
some
commercial
entities
that
have
bucked
that
wanting
it
to
what
we
used
to
call
the
dark
store
Theory.
A
They
want
to
take
an
empty
building
and
have
their
active
building,
bringing
in
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
a
year
in
rent,
be
valued
at
what
an
empty
building
in
a
low
traffic
areas
bring
in
and
have
we
have.
We
have
many
complaints
or
do
we
have
many
on
the
on
the
records.
Now
is
what
what
it
has
in
the
past.
Well,.
F
That's
that's
kind
of
an
ongoing
thing
that
we
Monitor,
and
you
know,
for
example,
just
about
ever
I've
been
PVA
for
14
years,
and
almost
every
year,
I've
been
PVA,
Walgreens
and
CVS
have
appealed
us
and
taken
us
all
the
way
to
the
Supreme
Court
in
one
year,
where
we
held
many
years
worth
of
appeals
in
advance
to
let
that
work
its
way
through
the
course
more
recently
it's
been
Home,
Depot
and
Lowe's,
but
yeah.
The
dark
store
theory
is
something
that
we
that
we
monitor
very
closely.
Okay,.
A
Sir,
the
the
other
thing
is
the
physical
inspections
versus
what
I
believe
representative
Meredith
brought
up
the
technology.
You
know
we've
got
Google
Earth
we've
got
flyovers,
we
we
spent
I,
think
nine
million
dollars
the
session
before
last
on
state
mapping
to
help
enhance
that.
It's
not
there
yet,
but
they're
still
working
on
that
to
make
sure
that
every
every
PBA
has
aerial
photography
and
I
I
was
talking
to
Mr
Crawford
earlier
about,
maybe
something
being
put
in
with
all
the
technology
we
got
going
on.
I
can't
imagine
it's
not
possible.
A
A
lot
of
pbas
I've
talked
to
they
go
by
numbers
and
not
units,
and
when
I
say
that
if
they've
gotten
I'm
just
throwing
their
number
out,
they
got
ten
thousand
houses
out
there
and
they
got
them
or
ten
thousand
properties
and
they've
got
to
constitutionally
mandate.
They
have
to
inspect
that
many.
You
know
re
revisit
those
properties
instead
of
using
actual
locations
and
units
they're
doing
it
by
numbers.
A
So
10
000,
divided
by
four
years,
twenty
five
hundred
a
year
as
long
as
they
get
2500
reevaluations,
they
feel
like
they've,
met
that
every
four
year
match
and
what
that
does,
there's
some
houses
that
will
sell
in
that
four
years.
You
know
two
or
three
times
possibly
depending
on
neighborhood
the
transitions
Workforce
and
all
that,
and
then
there
are
others
out
there
sitting
there.
A
That
may
not
have
been
looked
at
in
10
years
and
is
there
a
way
we
can
put
into
our
systems
to
where
that
there's
a
a
clicker
or
counter
that
every
time
a
because
a
house
is
assessed
three
times
in
a
four-year
period.
That
should
not
my
opinion.
Count
is
three
different
assessments
to
go
toward
the
four-year
number
of
what
they've
got
to
meet,
and
you
know
so
on
that
fifth
year,
any
house
that
has
not
been
reassessed.
A
It's
been
overlooked,
whatever
it
automatically
comes
up
and
makes
it
possibly
mandatory
for
that
fifth
year
that
that
house
has
got
that
location
has
got
to
be
addressed,
reassessed
or
whatever,
because
what
what
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
is
older
couples
in
slow
neighborhoods
that
have
been
forgotten
because
of
generational
turnover
and
all
of
a
sudden
there's
a
lot
of
generational
turnover,
they're,
being
reassessed
and
and
their
assessment
hasn't
changed
in
several
years,
and
it's
quadrupling
in
some
instances.
And
how
can
we
prevent
that
and
I?
F
Into
that,
those
are
good
good
points
and
I'll
speak
to
it
a
little
bit
because
in
the
in
my
tenure
is
PVA.
There's
been
a
couple
of
times
where
this
has
been
a
bigger
issue
than
others
like,
for
example,
I
mentioned
2009
2010
2011
years
when,
when
we
were
in
the
midst
of
the
recession
and
I,
was
not
doing
much
reassessing.
We
were
lowering
assessments
quite
a
bit
in
2010
a
little
bit
in
2011.,
but
there
were
many
properties
that
came
up
organically
on
the
quadrennial
plan
in
2009
2010.
F
So
then
you
know
we
can't
that.
Then
the
economy
comes
back
in
2012
2013.
We
don't
have
the
resources
to
now
do
more
than
one
quadrennial
plan
in
any
given
year.
So
then
it
takes
three
34
years
to
fully
catch
up,
and
the
same
thing
has
happened
during
the
pandemic.
I
didn't
reassess
anybody
in
2020..
You
know
with
about
the
time
that
we
were
sending
the
tax
roll
to
the
printer
for
an
assessment
notices
is
when
state
government
shut
down.
F
F
That
I
told
you
about
looking
at
what
sale
prices
look
like
compared
to
the
assessments
on
a
neighborhood
by
neighborhood
basis
and
trying
to
hit
the
neighborhoods
that
really
need
to
be
gotten
to,
but
the
result
is
there
are
homes
like
you
suggested,
representative
Bridges,
where
maybe
it's
been
six
eight
ten
years
since
the
value
has
moved
now,
we've
done
the
physical
inspection
we've
been
there.
We've
looked
at
the
property,
we've
taken
the
picture,
but
we
just
because
a
house,
the
value
didn't
move,
doesn't
mean
it
wasn't
reassessed.
U
Yeah
man
I'm
also
expanding
on
that
we
in
Henderson
County,
and
we
our
interpretation
of
of
our
constitutional
and
statutory
mandate,
is
that
we
David
referred
to
him
as
neighborhoods.
We
that
we
call
them
Maps,
which
is
a
folder
of
every
property
in
a
geographical
area.
We've
we've
got
around
100
maps
in
Henderson
County.
We
we
roughly,
we
look
at
every
property
regardless
of
its
transactional
history
once
every
four
years,
so
it
may
sell
five
times
in
four
years.
U
But
if
it
comes
up
in
our
quad,
we're
gonna
go
there,
take
a
new
picture
but
to
David's
accountant,
I.
Think
what
you're
you're
saying
here.
If
we
have
and
I
don't
want
to
say
stagnant,
but
if
we
have
a
consistent
low
turnover
neighborhood,
we
stratify
all
of
our
assessments
and
what
that
means
is
we
we
try
to
condense
down
as
like
properties
as
possible
to
use
as
our
comparable
sales.
So
if
we
have
a
consistent
neighborhood
that
are
all
1500
square
feet,
three
bedrooms
two
baths
and
we
don't
have
sales
in
an
area.
U
A
A
No,
no,
we
don't
need
emotions
just
just
bring
that
if
anyone
has
anything
to
say
about
those
just
bring
them
to
us.
We'll
try
to
wrap
this
up
real,
quick,
I'm,
sorry
that
you've
got
on
the
end
of
the
schedule,
but
if
you
can
just
briefly
catch
us
up
on
your
transportation
costs
and
the
difficulties
of
that
please
and
introduce
yourself.
T
Chairman
Sheriff
Brett
Hightower
from
Warren
County
we'd
like
to
thank
you
and
the
other
Representatives
here
today
for
your
time
and
attention
in
this
matter.
We
just
want
to
bring
some
information
you
all
you
all
may
or
may
not
be
most
aware
of,
and
so
I
believe
I
provided
a
document
here,
and
this
is
just
an
overview
from
Warren
County,
not
not
representative
of
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky,
but
an
overview
of
Warren
County
and
our
transports,
since
this
order
has
come
into
effect
through
the
Secretary
of
justice.
T
Office
is
that
we
have
transported
19
juveniles
in
the
past
year
and
those
19
juveniles,
13
of
those
were
females
and
the
other
six
were
were
male,
and
so
the
the
cost
of
this
and
I
think
you
all
may
have
this
in
front
of
you
or
here
here
it
is
coming
up.
I,
don't
know
how!
Well
you
can
see
that
if
you
scroll
up
a
little
bit,
it
might
be
in
your
packet
there.
T
You
know,
that's
that's
five
thousand
dollars
that
we
have
that
we've
we've
gone
out
and
and
done
this
on
with
these
juveniles
and
part
of
the
issue
of
this
is
the
reimbursement
on
these,
and
so
for
that
reimbursement
what's
legally
reimbursed
us
is
the
mileage
any
food
and
or
lodging
provided
to
the
juveniles
and
then
with
a
lot
of
these
I,
said.
13
of
these
are
for
females,
so
Warren
County,
where
these
females
have
to
go.
T
It's
it's
a
round
trip
of
435
miles
to
take
these
juveniles
for
us
and
then
with
that,
because
of
being
female
KRS,
also
states
that
that
we
are
required
under
krs-605.080
that
we
must
have
an
accompaniment
of
an
attendant
of
the
same
gender,
of
those
that
we're
transporting
so
the
reimbursement
on
that
attendant
is
five
dollars
per
hour.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
in
here
is
working
for
five
dollars
an
hour
anywhere,
but
so
every
time
we
we
launch-
and
you
figure
that's
four
hour-
drive
there
and
then
four
hours
back.
T
So
that's
eight
hours,
two
two
employees
with
that
eight
hour,
sixteen
man
hours
and
then
we
get
reimbursement
on
the
mileage
for
that
in
any
food
or
and
or
lodging
that
we
would
do
we're
not
doing
lodging
with
them
we're
taking
them
there,
so
so
that
that
is
quite
a
burden
on
us
and
and
we
don't
have
any
foreseeable
change
in.
What's
going
on
with
this,
we
I've
had
many
conversations.
I
was
told.
There's
a
plan
coming
in
place.
T
I
don't
know
if
some
of
this
is
just
post
covered,
folks
that
were
kind
of
and
waiting
and
now
they're
having
to
come
to
courts
and
back
and
forth
all
over.
But
you
know
three
to
four
transports
per
day
and
then
then
we
throw
in
these
other
ones.
So
we've
had
to
hire
additional
Manpower
Personnel
just
to
help
with
the
transportation
of
these
individuals
across
the
state
of
Kentucky.
So,
at
a
time
that
we're
seeing
these
huge
increases
now
once
again,
now
we're
we're
being
tasked
with
this.
R
T
M
I'm
Mike
Jensen
I'm,
the
president
of
the
Kentucky
Sheriff's
Association,
representing
all
120
Sheriff.
First
I
want
to
thank
the
chairman
and
the
committee
for
this
time
opportunity
you
give
us
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
a
chief
Deputy
Pat
Morgan
from
the
Kenton
County
Sheriff's
office.
That
has
more
information.
V
Well,
yes,
I'm
I'm,
Pat,
Morgan
I'm,
the
chief
Deputy
of
Kenton,
County,
Sheriff's,
Office
I've,
been
in
law
enforcement
42
years
now,
and
we've
gone
to
a
problem
where,
as
I've
spoke
to
our
my
fellow
colleagues,
that
we
become
the
UPS
of
transports
for
the
Commonwealth,
we
are
driving
more
juveniles
and
taking
more
juveniles,
since
this
order
has
gone
into
effect.
This
is
a
continuation
of
where
it
started
back
in
the
late
80s
and
now,
where
we
had
vocal
detention
facilities,
we
went
to
Regionals
now.
V
Regionals
are
closing
and
now
we're
at
this
point,
where
we're
just
transporting
more
and
more
juveniles.
When,
as
we
look
at
technology,
there
is
ways
to
get
away
from
doing
this,
it's
just
the
courts
have
to
use
the
technology
technology
and
the
judges,
if
they
so
choose,
some
courts
are
doing
it.
Some
are
not.
We
have
spoke
to
it.
We
just
recently
had
our
conference
in
Bowling
Green
or
in
Owensboro.
This
topic
was
brought
up
as
Sheriff
Hightower.
He
comes
to
Northern
Kentucky
Us
in
Northern
Kentucky.
V
We
had
a
facility
in
Campbell,
County,
I,
believe
you're,
bringing
your
your
young
ladies
up
to
Northern.
Kentucky
Northern
Kentucky
we've
had
a
couple
serious,
violent
crimes
where
several
juveniles
have
been
involved
in
murders,
so
we
are
transporting
them
to
and
from
and
around
the
state.
Quite
often
we,
you
know
I
I,
understand,
there's
the
technology
ability
I.
V
So
when
we
look
at
all
this
and
we're
going
back
to
1997
we're
here
at
this
point
we
cannot
even
get.
We
need
to
get
some
ways
to
get
relief
for
our
sheriffs
across
the
Commonwealth
court.
Orders
that
are
issued
every
day,
pickups
of
violent
offenders
who
are
committing
crimes
or
pick
up
orders
for
not
for
violating
their
probation
or
parole,
is
one
of
the
big
as
other
issues
we're
having
where
we're
spending
several
hours
from
our
communities
we're
City
law
enforcement.
V
City
officers
are
gone
four
to
six
eight
hours
on
a
shift
transporting
one
juvenile
another
city,
or
they
have
to
call
in
for
overtime
or
the
sheriff
takes
over
and
does
the
covering
the
city
at
that
time.
So
it
has
been
become
a
burden.
The
cost
not
only
financially
but
to
cover
the
cities
and
counties
with
less
Personnel
is
having
an
effect
on
all
of
our
counties
and
cities.
T
W
V
The
most
assists
most
of
our
court
system,
if
not
all
have
the
video
arraignment
systems
within
the
courtrooms
or
in
the
Justice,
centers
and
I
know
the
detention
facilities
are
the
the
holding
facility
detention
facilities.
They've
have
done.
Some
of
the
upgrades
that
were
funding
was
sent
by
the
legislators
to
do
upgrades
in
in
the
facilities
to
do
these
to
have
the
arraignments
or
maybe
status
hearing
status
calls
sometimes
when
we
do
a
transport,
if
we're
going
to
Bowling
Green
or
we're
going
to
breath
at
Ashland,
Fayette
or
they're
coming
north.
V
If
you
show
up
with
a
juvenile
or
any
prisoner,
even
adult,
when
we're
moving
these
there
might
be
a
the
attorney
doesn't
show
up.
Some
key
person
can't
make
it
so
we're
taking
them
back.
Coming
back
these
status
kind
of
calls
things
like
that
occur,
and
there
is
technology
out
there
that
can
help
with
this.
It's
just
if
the
courts
so
choose
to
use
it
or
not.
W
T
W
V
Think
our
preference
is
going
back
to
where
it
used
to
be
where
we
have
facilities
that
were
open
and
not
closed
and
they
were
open
and
that
we
had
that
we
that
you
know
this
wasn't
a
problem
until
this
order
wasn't
to
effect.
If,
if
they
didn't
close,
we
had
no
problems
in
Campbell
Warren.
We
these
this
was
not
a
problem
created
us.
It
was
as
we
got
the
football
and
they
you
go
with
it
and
that's
where
we're
at
now
understood.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
you'd
mentioned
the
1320
transports
you
think
of
a
deputy
on
the
road
who
could
be
in
the
community
working
to
protect
the
community.
That's
that's
several
hours
that
you've
got
deputies
on
the
road
instead
of
serving
in
their
Community,
but
you
mentioned
the
the
the
cost
and
and
the
decision
to
use
technology
or
not,
is
that
each
individual
Court
makes
that
determination
that
the
judge,
how
is
that
decision
made.
T
During
covet
a
lot
of
times,
it
seemed
like
some
of
the
judges
were
more
inclined
to
utilize
the
technology
where
they
would
continue
doing
that
for
a
while,
while
some
of
the
other
ones
were
really
more
opposed
to
that
technology
and
look.
The
last
thing
we
ever
want
to
do
is
not
have
somebody
with
legal
representation
there
with
them,
and
sometimes
it
may
be
a
little
more
difficult
to
set
those
meetings
up,
but
I
think
like
anything.
E
N
J
T
But
we
would
be
able
to
we.
We
know
without
a
fact
that
a
lot
of
times
we're
just
running
to
get
somebody
bringing
them
back
for
some
minor
offense,
because
they've
got
a
more
serious
offense
in
another
Detention
Facility
they're
being
housed
at
so
roughly
I
can
say,
probably
20
to
25
percent.
At
least
we
would
probably
be
able
to
reduce
the
amount
of
time
on
those
roads
and
those
equate
to
exact
man
hours
that
we
have
because,
like
I
say,
not
only
do
we
have
the
prisoner
transports.
T
We
also
the
we
in
Warren
County
have
mental
health
transports.
They
have
to
go
to
Hopkinsville
and
we
average
two
of
those
a
day.
You
know
and
then
and
then
any
juvenile
transports.
On
top
of
that,
so
we
have
several
deputies
who
are
out
of
Warren
County
on
any
given
day
for
most,
if
not
all
their
shift.
Thank
you.