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will
have
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call
and
when
we
have
roll
call
answer,
whether
you're
in
the
in
the
in
the
room,
whether
you're
in
your
office
in
the
annex
or
whether
you're
in
your
district,
okay,
go
ahead.
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I
A
K
K
As
as
we
embark
to
do
well
and
and
hear
from
them
today,
and
also
try
to
pass
bills
that
might
benefit
them
and
their
families
bless
everyone,
as
they
make
travel
plans
all
over
the
nation
through
this,
this
holiday
season
and
bless
this
meeting
before
us.
It's
in
your
great
name,
we
pray,
amen,
amen.
E
A
K
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
wanted
to
let
the
body
know
that
I
am
receiving
quite
a
few
letters.
A
few
years
back,
we
actually
passed
a
bill
that
would
allow
our
veterans,
nursing
homes
and
our
veteran
centers
to
be
able
to
do
contract
labor
for
nurses.
Well,
obviously,
now
it's
kind
of
hurting
some
of
our
our
nursing
homes,
because
the
contract
laborers
are
making
a
lot
more
than
our
staff.
That's
already
in
some
of
these
nursing
homes.
K
K
Maybe
I'll
can
pass
it
on
center
to
to
the
you
know,
the
senate
side
with
mcdaniel
chairman
daniel
and
but
they're
just
they're,
the
the
veterans
in
eastern
kentucky
are
a
little
nervous
that
they
keep
seeing
staff
leaving
and
leaving,
and
it's
getting
smaller
and
smaller
numbers
and
they're
just
worried
that
they're
going
to
be
displaced
or
have
to
move.
K
A
K
A
O
My
apologies,
yes,
my
name
is
torian
james
d.
S
coleman-
I
am-
I
am
the
public
relations
officer
for
cnp
garage
to
the
right
of
me
is
the
two
leading
advocates
for
the
entire
program.
They
started
this
program
20
years
ago
and
it's
been.
It's
been
continued
throughout
our
nation
for
many
years
to
come
with.
That
being
said,
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
just
say
we
are
very
blessed
to
be
here
in
front
of
the
great
leaders
of
our
state.
O
As
I
begin
to
the
right
of
me,
this
is
mr
carlos
fernandez.
He
is
the
president
and
ceo
of
cnp
garage
again.
Hence
the
name.
It
started
in
his
garage
where
he
was
just
helping
veterans
just
get
the
the
resources
that
they
need
in
any
way
shape
or
form
when
it
came
to
claims
pensions,
just
name
it.
He
he
did
it
for
god,
and
country
no
charge
to
any
veteran
no
charge
to
anybody.
O
He
simply
did
it
for
just
to
help
the
issue
that
we
have
in
the
va
when
it
comes
to
claim
discrepancies,
mr
dimitrio,
to
my
right.
He
is
also
he
is
also
part
of
cmp
garage.
He
has
his
own
business
called
12th.
Bravo,
his
organization
is
for
constructing,
so
for
construction.
Excuse
me,
his
sole
responsibility
is
to
help
veterans
when
it
comes
to
modifying
their
homes.
O
If
they
have
any
disabilities
to
accommodate
it,
he
is
recognized
through
usaa
he's
also
recognized
through
multiple
military
vendors
government
commission
agencies
throughout
everywhere
and
again
he
doesn't
charge
over
price.
He
he
keeps
it
within
va
allocations
of
funds,
and
he
he
will
continue
to
go
back
and
do
the
job
or
update
you
know
on
his
own
time,
outside
of
the
va's
request.
O
Again,
it's
it's
an
honor
to
be
here
with
these
two.
So,
as
I
begin
to
speak
cmp
garage,
the
responsibility
is
just
to
make
sure
that
we
are
the
direct
liaisons
and
a
direct
impact
for
all
veterans.
As
you
know,
we
have
a
lot
of
issues.
I've
even
heard
one
of
the
senators
mentioned
about
people
about
veterans,
not
getting
the
resources
that
they
need
about
them,
having
issues
getting
denied,
delayed
and
sometimes
even
passing
away
before
they
are
even
allocated
any
type
of
compensation.
O
Our
responsibility
is
to
eliminate
the
22
suicides
every
single
day
and
we're
doing
that
by
actioning
as
many
claims
as
possible
on
a
monthly.
We
average
435
point
claims
a
month
and
again
this
is
no
charge
to
any
veteran.
We
do
everything
when
it
comes
to
housing.
We
do
everything
when
it
comes
to
transportation,
claims
survival,
spousal
everything
and
again
we
definitely
emphasize
that
we
do
this
completely
for
free.
O
So
on
the
slide
here,
I
pretty
much
answered
all
those
questions
for
you
and
our
slide
on
the
next.
One
is
cmp
garage
resources.
If
you
can
see
this,
these
are
all
the
resources
that
we
we
take
care
of.
As
I
I
alluded
in
my
previous
statement,
I
mentioned
compensation
and
pension
health
care,
education
and
training,
also
scholarships
employment,
burial,
survival,
housing
and
transportation,
transitioning
homes
we're
currently
working
on
military
records.
O
So,
with
all
of
those
being
said,
we
we
take
the
time
to
help
assure
every
veteran
has
some
type
of
help
and
support
in
all
of
those.
We
do
the
paperwork
for
you,
you,
don't
we
don't
submit
anything.
We
excuse
me,
we
do
all
the
paperwork
for
you.
We
also
make
sure
we
will
send
out
the
paperwork
and
your
behalf,
and
we
definitely
just
want
to
give
every
veteran
the
optimal
amount
of
time,
respect
and
resources
that
they
deserve
and
I'll
leave
for
any
questions.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Mr
coleman,
how
did
the
pandemic
affect
your
guys's
operation.
O
They
didn't
it
didn't
it
did
not.
So
what
what
I'm?
Having
was
we
had
to
promote
more
marketing,
more
advertising
on
social
media?
We
had
to
make
phone
calls,
do
more
networking
word
of
mouth
to
let
people
know
through
nationwide,
even
claims
overseas
that
we're
currently
doing
in
germany
and
japan
that
we
are
still
open
for
operation.
O
B
There,
an
increase
or
a
decrease
in
request
for
your
assistance.
There
was
an
increase,
sir,
an
increase.
Yes,
sir.
Okay.
A
K
Yeah,
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
We
appreciate
everything
that
you're
doing
for
the
vets
and
and
helping
them
out,
and
everyone
still
currently
serving
too.
Are
you
all
low?
I
mean,
do
you?
Are
you
just
opera?
I
mean
it
sounds
like
you
operate
all
over
the
world.
Whoever
needs
it
but
you're
based
here
in
kentucky,
then
aren't
you
yes,.
O
K
B
We're
trying
to
expand,
we
have
right
now
a
gentleman
in
glasgow.
He
started
his
doing
the
claims
for
us
over
there
and
we
have
another
gentleman
in
right
outside
of
fort
bragg
that
we're
trying
to
stand
up
now.
Awesome.
Yes,
thank.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
thank
you
for
the
services
that
you
provide
for
our
veterans,
I'm
a
veteran
myself
and
from
a
long
line
of
them,
and
this
question
is
probably
unrelated
to
what
you
do.
But
I've
been
thinking
about
it
lately.
My
grandfather
was
in
the
1917
draft.
He
was
19
years
old
at
that
time
and
went
and
fought
in
world
war
one.
B
We
we
have
a
process
of
applying
for
records
for
military,
we
just
finished
doing
three
world
war
ii
veterans
and
a
korean
war
veteran.
B
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
We
take
care
of
all
any
administrative
process
with
the
veterans
affairs
we
take
care.
Then
we
added
some
more
services
like
when
we
do
death
claims.
The
spouses
come
to
us
we'll
do
the
desk
claim,
but
at
the
same
time,
defense
finance
va
social
security.
Civil
service
retirement
sends
all
the
paperwork
to
them.
So
what
I
did
is,
I
learned
all
those
areas
so
take
that
work
away
from
them
and
they
have
time
to
grieve.
B
Yes,
sir
cnp
garage.org.
A
We're
so
glad
to
have
you
here
today.
Many
of
us
was
not
familiar
with
your
program
and
we
wanted
to
find
out
about
it.
You're
doing
a
great
job.
Carl
is
glad
you're.
Here
we
share
the.
A
A
Okay,
the
fort
knox
compatible
use
plan
is
nancy,
tate,
crazy.
I
see
her
okay
come
forward
with
whoever
you
have
with
you
and
identify
yourselves
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
presentation.
M
Good
morning,
mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee,
I
certainly
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
to
you
this
morning
and
anytime.
I
have
the
opportunity
to
sit
with
the
members
from
knox
and
to
represent
the
armed
services.
I'm
deeply
honored.
As
a
mr,
the
chairman
stated,
I
am
nancy
tate
and
I'm
the
representative
for
district
27,
so
I'll,
let
mike
and
mike
introduce
themselves.
C
C
Well,
we'll
get
started
here
so
again.
We
just
want
to
thank
you,
first
and
foremost
for
the
opportunity
just
to
present
a
quick
snapshot
if
you
will
of
the
compatible
use
plan,
the
study
that
we've
been
conducting
for
the
last
couple
years-
and
hopefully
you
will
glean
some
information
from
this-
that
maybe
you
didn't
know
otherwise,
and
obviously
we
hope
that
you
do
have
some
questions
at
the
end
and
that's
what
we're
here
for
but
before.
C
I
turn
it
over
to
mike
robinson
here
just
to
get
into
the
data
collection
and
some
of
the
analysis
that's
been
done.
Let
me
take
just
a
minute
to
give
you
some
background
of
what
we're
doing
and
why
we're
doing
it
serving
as
a
sponsor
for
fort
knox.
The
lincoln
trail
area
development
district,
applied
for
and
received
funding
from
the
department
of
defense
for
an
update
to
what
was
then
called
the
joint
land
use
study,
and
that
was
done
back
in
2008
with
regard
to
the
base
realignment
closure.
C
C
It
includes
a
one
and
five
mile
radius
to
address
land,
use,
compatibility
issues
and
an
expanded
10
mile
radius
for
addressing
noise
and
light
concerns.
The
plan
is
community
driven,
it's
a
community
driven
process.
It
serves
as
a
critical
tool
in
maintaining
fort
knox's
ability
to
carry
out
its
overall
mission,
which
is
the
preservation
of
our
national
security.
C
The
goal
of
the
compatible
use
plan
is
to
provide
an
opportunity
for
informed
and
strategic
community
growth,
but
also
maintaining
fort
knox
ability
to
carry
out
its
mission
for
guidance
and
oversight
purposes.
The
plan
included
the
creation
of
a
technical
advisory
committee
and
an
executive
committee
that
group
oversees
the
plan's
development
and
potential
implementation
strategies
that
may
come
from
this.
This
study,
and
as
one
of
the
largest
employers
in
the
commonwealth
expending
approximately
2.6
billion
dollars
annually
in
the
15th
largest
city
with
a
daytime
population
of
over
25
000.
C
D
While
this
committee
is
obviously
aware
of
this,
we
felt
the
need
to
include
this
information,
as
this
data
became
a
primary
driver
for
doing
the
compatible
use
plan,
and
it
illustrates
the
value
of
local
communities
to
the
local
communities
and
the
commonwealth
as
a
whole.
These
contain
a
lot
of
information
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
detail,
but
just
include
these
for
your
future
reference.
D
These
contracts,
while
primarily
focused
in
jefferson
county
due
to
the
huge
impact
of
humana's
track
care
management,
are
also
reflected
in
many
other
counties.
The
obvious
hardened
christians,
christian
with
the
locations
of
fort
knox
and
fort
campbell,
but
also
counties
such
as
wayne
laurel
menifee,
are
examples
receiving
millions
of
dollars.
Tens
of
millions
of
dollars
annually
through
department,
defense
spending.
D
This
next
slide
just
illustrates
the
payroll
for
defense
personnel
in
the
state
three
billion
dollars,
annual
payroll
for
over
56
000
direct
department
of
defense
employees.
Again
this
is
focused
at
the
military
installations,
but
its
effect
is
statewide,
and
I
would
like
to
take
a
second
here.
These
information,
if
general
bullard,
I
believe,
is
online.
If
he
would
like
to
comment
on
these
particular
things
in
in
particular,
or
I
can
move
on.
F
Well
I'll
jump
in
real,
quick,
I'm
steve
bullard.
I
run
the
kentucky
commission
on
military
affairs
and
we
work
very
closely,
obviously
with
the
office,
the
local
defense
community
cooperation
and
what
this
slide
basically
shows.
You
is
how
important
the
defense
community
is
to
kentucky.
We
play
way
above
our
weight
in
literally
every
category
they
they
track
we're
ranked
17
for
higher
nationwide
and
that
12.6
billion
that's
just
dod
direct
spending,
there's
another
9.6
or
so
in
contract
spending
that
takes
the
whole.
F
It's
22.3
billion
dollars
of
dod
investment
into
kentucky,
so
that
just
tells
you
how
critical
this
community
is,
and
what
mike's
talking
about
is
the
support
for
fort
knox
in
the
greater
community
around
elizabethtown
in
louisville
that
supports
fort
knox.
This
also
applies
to
fort
campbell,
which
is
our
other
premier
installation,
and
we
we're
blessed
with
two
of
the
most
premier
elite
military
installations
in
the
country
in
knox
and
campbell.
It
just
is
a
really
good
snapshot
of
just
you
know
the
impact
they
have
in
our
commonwealth.
D
D
D
D
The
scope
has
gone
way
beyond
the
original
joint
land
use
study
that
was
done
in
2008.
That's
why
we
expanded
out
to
a
10
mile
range
just
to
go
beyond
just
simple
land
use
planning.
We
looked
at
everything
from
growth
trends
to
economics,
to
noise,
light
energy
transportation
requirements
and
restrictions
to
the
military's
mission
that
might
contribute
to
these,
both
the
existing
missions
and
future
ones.
D
D
In
addition
to
creating
a
picture
of
the
current
and
future
concerns,
we
were
also
tasked
to
present
mitigation
strategies
to
try
to
educate
and
communicate
about
non-compatible
uses
one
of
these
strategies
possible
adoption
of
language
for
real
estate.
Disclosures
brings
us
here
today
to
focus
on
this
issue
and
to
drive
the
data
down
into
what
the
cup
study
found
in
this
issue.
In
particular,
we
look
at
population
numbers
to
begin
fort
knox
as
its
basic
framework.
D
As
we
know,
it
today
was
stood
up
in
the
1930s
and
looking
at
the
growth
trends
in
these
four
county
areas
over
the
past
90
years
shows
a
tremendous
growth
from
a
combined
population
of
almost
50
000
to
over
270
000
people.
Today,
in
this
four
county
region,
it
reflects
a
growth
rate
twice
the
state
rate
over
this
same
time
period.
Next,
please,
a
particular
interest
for
our
purposes
is
the
growth
in
close
proximity
to
the
installation
itself.
D
Next,
please
to
try
to
understand
where
this
growth
is
occurring.
We
reached
out
to
local
planning
agencies
to
for
data
on
residential
building
permits,
and
that's
up
here
illustrates
residential
building
permits
over
a
10-year
period
from
2010
to
2019
and
there
you
can
see
the
concentrations
and
the
densities
of
all
this
residential
growth
in
and
around
the
installation.
D
Next,
please,
this
becomes
issues
with
land
use
issues
and
specifically
encroachment
up
against
the
fence
to
use
a
phrase.
Two
examples
here
are
homes
that
actually
share
a
boundary
with
fort
knox.
As
you
can
see
in
these
illustrations,
the
yellow
stake
and
the
one
picture,
and
then
the
survey
tape
in
the
other
are
actual
boundary
lines
of
the
fort
knox
installation
next
place
going
to
a
map
of
this
area.
D
D
Another
vivid
example,
is
again
against
the
fence.
Is
this
subdivision?
There
is
an
armored
vehicle,
maneuver
area
less
than
three
football
fields
away
from
the
backyards
of
these
homes?
There's
a
firing
point
for
artillery
less
than
a
mile
away
over
70
homes
have
been
built
in
this
area
since
2012,
so
the
growth
is
fast
and
dense
right
against
the
fence.
D
D
A
52
million
dollar
upgrade
to
the
yano
range
is
coming
online
in
2023.,
this
digital
air,
ground
integration
range
or
dagger,
as
its
acronym
is
known,
incorporates
a
little
over
3
000
acres.
It's
fully
computerized.
The
range
will
make
it
possible
for
military
personnel
around
the
united
states
to
coordinate
and
practice
missions
at
fort
knox.
This
is
a
live
fire
range
with
multiple
air
and
ground
units
using
and
firing
heavy
weapons.
Simultaneously.
D
You
can
see
the
range
paths
from
the
existing
range
there
in
just
on
the
left
side
of
the
of
the
image
next
slide.
Please,
the
concerns
of
fort
knoxler
live
ranges
are
primarily
of
noise
complaints.
Although
dust
vibration,
overflights
are
also
complained
about,
this
map
presents
one
view
of
noise,
contours
or
zones.
If
you
will,
for
the
combined
day
night
averages
based
on
a
study
from
2018.,
these
land
use
planning
zones
in
the
light
orange
would
be
considered
compatible
with
residential
development,
although
they
will
be
subjected
to
a
good
deal
of
noise.
D
D
D
15
of
the
time
the
noise
travels
far
beyond
these
areas,
fort
knox
has
has
some
documented
history
of
complaints.
These
complaints
can
extend
up
into
oldham
and
jefferson
county
to
the
northeast
and
as
far
as
southwest
down
in
brooklyn
integration
county,
we
get
complaints
about
noise
and
overflights.
D
So
it's
it's
a
widespread
proximity
way
beyond
these
noise
contours
that
are
presented
here
for
the
for
your
information
next
slide,
please
one
such
considered
use
is
the
real
use
of
real
estate
disclosures
to
try
to
allow
potential
property
owners,
some
understanding
of
an
adjacent
military
installation's
activities,
and
I'm
going
to
ask
representative
tate
to
discuss
this
slide.
If
I
could,
please.
M
Thank
you
very
much,
so
this
is
the
form.
This
is
the
disclosure
form
and
examples
are
what
the
the
examples
of
things
that
have
to
be
shown
on
the
disclosure
form
right
now,
and
so
basically,
what
we're
asking
is
that
proximity
to
a
military
installation
be
added
to
this
form.
So,
as
mr
robinson
actually
explained,
we
we've
worked
really
hard
to
make
sure
that
and
to
impose
upon
our
body
and
our
communities
that
fort
knox
is
very
important.
M
You
can
see
from
the
dollar
perspective
and
how
it
supports
our
local
economy,
the
15th
largest
city
in
our
state,
how
important
it
is
to
us
economically.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
seen
as
good
neighbors
to
our
community
and
whenever
people
move
into
our
area
they
know
exactly
what
they're
moving
into.
I
think
the
most
important
part
is
is,
as
mr
burroughs
explained,
we're
all
familiar
with
brac
and
we're
all
familiar
with
the
armory
installation
and
how
it
moved
out
of
kentucky.
M
M
So
we
want
to
make
sure
people
like
me
know
and
appreciate
that
noise,
because
I
hear
it
as
freedom
and
as
money
and
economics.
But
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
new
people
that
move
into
the
area
actually
know
what
they're
getting
ready
to
be
exposed
to.
So
I
think
that
just
adding
proximity
to
a
military
installation
for
the
new
people
that
buy
into
the
area
or
even
by
the
property
to
build
into
the
area
are
aware
of
what
are
what
they're
getting
into.
C
Let
me
just
add,
while
mike's
moving
to
the
last
of
our
slides
here
as
representative
tate
mentioned
most
of
us
and
that
have
grown
up
in
that
area
are
familiar
with
fort
knox
and
its
activities,
as
we
demonstrated
here
in
in
the
study.
What
we're
finding
with
the
dagger
ranges
coming
on
board
here
in
just
a
couple
of
years.
It's
going
to
be
entirely
different
type
of
mission,
most
folks
in
the
general
area
for
the
last
couple
of
years
actually
have
kind
of
been
lulled
to
sleep.
H
C
The
the
yano
range
as
mike
illustrated
here
on
the
slides
for
you,
has
actually
been
mothballed,
while
they're
in
the
process
of
upgrading
that
range.
So
the
concern,
obviously
for
the
good
neighbors
that
we
want
to
be
to
fort
knox
is
there
are
folks
moving
in
that
do
not
understand
fully
what
they
are
going
to
be
hearing.
C
Obviously
you
know
there
are
some
things
avoidable.
It
is
going
to
be
loud
on
occasions,
but
it's
going
to
be
a
different
loud
and
some
of
us
grown
up
around
there
with
the
tanks
and
some
of
the
other
armor.
They
still
do
that.
That's
pretty
much
identified
when
that's
going
to
occur.
We're
working
with
through
this
study,
working
with
fort
knox,
to
have
better
communications,
better
outreach
to
the
local
community,
so
fort
knox
is
also
a
good
neighbor
as
well.
C
That's
a
little
bit
cheaper
for
those
that
live
in
the
area
and
I'm
speculating
now.
So
forgive
me
any
real
estate
folks
that
are
here
it's
a
little
cheaper
for
a
reason,
and
some
of
it
is
flood
plain
some
of
it.
Some
of
it
is
a
location
next
to
a
military
installation
and
for
again
for
those
of
you
that
are
not
familiar
with
fort
knox.
I'm
sure
you
all
may
be
going
down.
31W
or
dixie
highways
is
called
have
at
least
seen
the
the
vault,
the
gold
vault.
C
C
This
slide
presentation-
and
I
would
ask
mike
again
this
is
no
disrespect
intended
to
any
real
estate
agent
or
our
agencies,
but
just
recently
there
was
an
ad
placed-
and
this
is
just
an
example-
and
this
is
a
real
ad
and
as
a
matter
of
fact,
it's
been
in
within
the
last
day
or
two
just
to
emphasize
the
concern
that
we
have
for
fort
knox.
So
mike,
would
you
care
to
share
that.
D
Just
back
to
this
subdivision
once
again,
right
against
the
fence,
is
very
nice
houses,
two
well
over
three
hundred
thousand
dollar
homes
out
here,
one
of
the
bylines
on
on
an
ad
I
found.
A
Let
me
interrupt
just
a
moment:
senator
wilson
has
a
question.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
representative
tate,
thank
you
for
bringing
this
today
and
I
totally
agree
that
that
needs
to
be
added
to
the
sheep.
But
my
also
I
was
wanting
to
know
that
in
adding
the
proximity
to
a
military
base,
would
the
live
firing
range
be
included
in
that
that
they
may
experience
loud
noises
as
a
result
of
that.
M
E
C
E
As
well
as
I
think
fort
campbell-
I
mean
you
know,
just
everybody
always
has
that
fear,
but
having
been
in
the
military
in
order
for
our
troops
to
be
combat,
ready,
live
firing,
ranges
are
essential,
correct
and,
and
nobody
wants
them
near
them-
they
just
put
them
somewhere
else.
Well,
if
you
put
them
somewhere
else,
they're
going
to
be
near
somebody
else,
and
we
were
always
going
to
those
deploying
to
those
places,
so
our
pilots
and
our
troops
and
everything
else
could
become
combat
ready,
and
so
this
is
an
essential
thing.
M
And
I
appreciate
that
question
and
I
appreciate
all
the
points.
One
of
the
things
too
that
I
want
to
point
out
and
reiterate
is
that
that
you
know
range
while
we're
familiar
with
the
noise
during
the
daytime.
This
is
actually
going
to
be
primarily
at
night,
so.
M
To
be
demonstrating
a
live
activity,
military
activity
and
how
it
actually
occur
at
night,
so
that
is
again
something
that's
very
unique
to
especially
my
area
now.
What
we
did
is
that
we
looked
at
other
real
estate,
disclosures
from
other
facilities
like,
for
example,
texas,
because
they
have
something
that's
very
similar
to
what
we're
getting
ready
to
have
at
fort
knox,
and
so
we're
trying
to
demonstrate-
and
I
guess
be
familiar
and
and
to
use
them
as
a
good
example.
M
We've
talked
a
lot
about
expounding
upon
just
say,
staying
close
to
proximity,
but
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
can
be
said,
for
example,
live
military
range,
but,
as
can
fort
knox
continues
to
expand
every
time
we
go
into
an
expansion
or
a
different
type
expansion.
Would
we
have
to
come
back
in
and
modify
this
form
again
and
that's
the
concern,
and
maybe
eventually
we
need
to
look
at
this
form
and
address
it
for
all
purposes,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
be
something
that
would
be
a
living
document.
E
E
K
Thank
you
chair.
We
really
appreciate
you
working
on
this
and
and
representing
fort
campbell
in
my
neck
of
the
woods
there.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
very
beneficial
for
that
area.
Also,
my
wife
and
I
love
seeing
blackhawks
and
chinooks
flying
over
our
house
all
the
time
we're
15
miles
away,
but
there's
many
a
nights
where
she's
asking
what?
What
is
that
noise
and
it's
it's
like
you,
said
the
booms
and
we're
15
miles
away.
So
I
can
only
imagine
how
it
would
be
so
close.
K
I
just
wanted
to
make
one
comment,
though
I
was
having
a
lunch
with
moa
the
military
officers
and,
and
one
of
them
had
just
gotten
out
of
the
service
and
he
was
a
tanker,
and
he
said
that
on
some
of
the
practice
ranges
that
they
actually
had
restrictions
for
the
red-headed
woodpeckers
or
something,
and
they
said
they
actually
had
cameras
around
the
range,
and
you
could
only
practice
and
do
your
maneuvers
at
certain
times
of
days
and
nights
or
so
because
it
would
affect
the
habitat
for
these
woodpeckers.
K
So,
and
I
can't
remember
where
he
said
that
was
going
on,
but
that
just
shows
the
need
for
for
practice
ranges.
And
so
we
appreciate
you
bringing
this
to
the
table.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
all
for
this
presentation.
It's
mike's
good
to
see
you
and
the
I
guess
my
question
at
this
disclosure
that
are
we
would
this
be
on.
All
deeds
in
kentucky
are
when
you
sell
a
piece
of
real
estate
or
just
those
in
the
vicinity
of
a
military
range.
It's.
I
M
I
That's-
and
that
was,
I
guess
primarily
why
I
asked
that
if
you
were
just
listing,
I
see
the
study
was
just
done
in
those
counties
close
to
fort
knox
and
if,
if
it
was
just
going
to
be
for
those
counties,
you
know
some
parts
of
I
represent
nelson
county,
the
boston
area
and
nelson
county
would
be
affected.
Were
the
bloomfield
area
of
nelson
county,
probably
not
so
much
so.
I
just
wanted
to
want
to
check
on
that
so
and
fyi.
I
I
live
in
marion
county
and
I
can
remember
when
fort
knox
was
more
active
than
it
has
been
the
last
few
years,
many
nights
being
able
to
hear
the
what's
going
on
that
the
the
explosions
or
shots
or
whatever
they
they
were.
M
Thank
you
very
much.
That's
a
good
point.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
as
a
neighbor
to
fort
knox,
I
constantly
hear
that,
since
we
can't
hear
all
the
activity,
then
people
think
that
it's
a
dying
base
when
in
in
reality
it's
not
a
dying
base,
it's
actually
alive
and
well
and
growing.
So
it's
just
kind
of
funny
how
we
have
to
hear
things
since
we've
lived
there
forever
to
think
that,
it's
all
you
know
growing
thriving
yeah.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
Thank
you,
chairman
emory,
and
thank
you,
representative,
tate
and
mike
and
mike
appreciate
you
all
being
here
today,
and
this
certainly
seems
like
a
common
sense
measure,
but
we
know
there's
a
tremendous
common
sense
void
in
frankfurt,
and
I
think
this
would
be,
as
our
friend
senator
higdon
says,
a
simple
little
bill,
but
we
know
that's
up
there
with
unicorns
and
sasquatch.
So
absolutely
I
think
it
boils
down
to
it's
not
about
the
money,
but
about
the
money
you
mentioned
the
real
estate
folks.
Has
anybody
reached
out
to
them
formally
saying
this?
I
M
So
I
have
reached
out
to
some
other
real
estate
agents
and
ask
them
about
that,
and
so
their
point
is:
is
that
and
and
and
before
covert
we
actually
had
some
town
halls
and
some
other
discussions
about
potent.
You
know
the
potential
of
how
this
was
going
to
grow
in
this
area,
primarily
what
I've
heard
from
the
real
estate
agents
that
I've
talked
to
is
that
this
whole
form
needs
to
be
revamped.
You.
P
M
Great
addition,
maybe
we
should
add
other
things,
but
at
this
point
I
mean
I'm
not
willing
to
take
on
the
effort
to
redo
this
whole
form.
So
you
know-
and
I
prefer
that
this
little
ass
could
not
be
the
catalyst
for
that,
but
it
could
be
something
that
would
be
done
in
the
future
by
somebody
who's
more
familiar
with
real
estate
than
I
am.
I
I
don't
know
how
anyone
in
this
world
could
enter
the
property
transaction,
knowing
that
this
is
a
a
potential
problem,
and
certainly
we
want
to
protect
everybody's
interests.
So
I
think
it's
a
good
measure
going
forward
and
just
trying
to
prepare
for
what
we
know
will
be
the
onslaught
from
someone.
P
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
for
this.
We
were
along
with
senator
meredith.
He
once
been
reading
my
mind.
Why
can
we
reach
out
to
the
real
estate
agents
because
they
have
rules
they
have
to
follow
so
that
they
can't
say
we
didn't
know.
What's
going
to
be
loud,
we
don't.
We
didn't
know
that
the
planes
go
boom
when
we
were
at
randolph
air
force
base
and
we
it's
a
live
training
base.
F
P
D
M
B
You
represent
tate
for
for
bringing
this.
G
B
As
a
real
estate
agent
myself,
I'm,
I
really
believe
that
if
a
seller
failed
to
disclose
this
information,
if
they
lived
close
to
a
place
for
four
or
five
years-
and
they
didn't
tell
the
the
prospective
buyer
and
the
real
estate
agent
who's
in
that
area,
which
should
also
know,
I
think
they
might
be
liable
anyway.
B
But
I
think
it's
really
good
that
we
do
list
this
in
the
disclosure
form.
So
that
there's
no
question
it
has
to
be
asked
and
it
has
to
be
answered.
And
if
someone
answers
that
wrongly
then
there's
no
question.
There's
liability
there.
But
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
talking
about
strictly
the
real
estate.
Disclosure
form
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
deed.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct.
A
Okay,
we're
ready
for
you
to
proceed
again.
Oh,
I
have
another
question:
okay,
representative
plessy.
J
Thank
you
chairman.
I
appreciate
it.
I'd
first,
just
like
to
start
off
by
saying
that
that
mike
burst
mike
robinson
are
amazing,
guys
who
have
really
done
a
lot
of
work.
They
work
for
the
ad
and
I
just
have
been
a
pleasure
working
with
them
these
last
several
years
and
this
body
of
work
they're
presenting
to
us
is
quite
impressive
and
mike
robinson,
your
maps.
As
I
told
you
the
last
time
we
talked
or
really
made
it
easy.
J
I
think
for
me
to
understand
the
implications
that
are
going
on
better
than
anything.
So
I
appreciate
your
hard
work
with.
That
said,
I
am
very
concerned
and
well,
first
of
all,
I'm
glad
that
we're
doing
this,
but
I'm
very
concerned
about,
for
instance,
those
70
homes
that
that
you
pointed
out
that
were
built
in
the
last
10
years.
J
I
know
that
myself,
mike
burris
mike
robinson,
we
all
grew
up
listening
to
fort
knox
and
the
tanks
going
off
and-
and
we
kind
of
thought
it
was
a
neat
thing
that
we
grew
up
with.
At
least
I
did
the
every
afternoon,
as
we
were
kids
out
playing
whatever
sports,
we
were
playing
drinking
from
whatever
garden
hose.
J
We
were
drinking
from
the
the
the
tanks
going
off
were
just
a
normal
occurrence,
but
that
stopped
with
the
brac
and
it's
been
stopped
for
quite
a
while
and
from
what
conversations
I've
had
with
you
and
with
the
with,
I
think
the
general
and
others
was
that
the
the
new
noise
that's
going
to
come
in
is
going
to
be
a
lot
worse
than
the
old
noise
that
we
were
so
used
to
it's
going
to
be
not
just
tanks
going
off
in
the
daytime.
It's
going
to
be
tanks
loud.
J
Maybe
engine
aircraft
flying
over
top
lot
really
at
night
time,
and
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
of
a
disturbance
than
what
we
were
used
to
growing
up.
So
here's
my
concern,
those
70
houses
that
you
pointed
out
that
little
triangle-
that's,
I
think,
is
popped
up
on
your
screen.
Right
now
is,
is
that
is
the
military
and
or
folks
in
our
community
going
to
be
opened
up
to
a
lawsuit
from
those
people
that
live
there?
That
say:
hey
when
we,
when
we
built
this
was
not.
J
D
Representative,
obviously,
I'm
not
an
attorney.
I
do
know
that
over
the
years
fort
knox
has
dealt
with
issues
with
vibration,
cracks
and
foundations,
cracks
and
walls
that
get
adjudicated
through
their
through
their
jag.
I
don't
know
the
numbers
on
those,
that's
one
of
the
things
that
when
last
we
spoke
with
with
garrison
command,
they
were
going
to
look
into
some
some
some
quantifiers
for
that
type
of
thing,
but
once
again,
fort
knox
has
always
been
there.
It,
the
the
shooting,
has
not
gone
away.
It
just
hasn't
been
intense.
D
I
would
refer
you
all
if,
if
possible,
there's
a
71
second
video
that
was
loaded
up
to
the
website,
along
with
the
other
meeting
materials
that
was
all
filmed
on
location
in
fort
knox,
it
is
active
firing
that
is
currently
going
on
and
has
been
going
on
without
let
up.
During
this
whole
time,
people
were
used
to
the
armor
school,
but
aerial
firing
and
artillery
155
that's
been
going
on
consistently
in
addition
to
tanks.
So
it's
not
gone
completely
away.
D
C
Representative,
let
me
just
say,
and
to
senator
meredith's
question
earlier,
our
executive
committee
that
we
talked
about
which
standing
committees
that
was
created
does
include
the
elected
officials
of
those
four
counties
in
those
incorporated
cities.
We
have
been
working
with
them,
a
similar
slide
presentation
with
the
data
and
analysis
that
we've
come
up
with
here.
Our
hope
is
that
we
can
continue
to
move
through
this
process
and
actually
develop
some
implementation
strategies
that
will
help
with
these
buffer
areas.
C
Obviously,
for
those
that
are
there
now,
it's
going
to
be
a
little
more
trying
for
some
of
our
communities,
some
a
couple
of
our
cities
in
particular
there
and
which
is
obvious
in
hardin
county
and
also
in
bullitt
county.
There
has
been
growth
that,
as
we've
already
shown
to
you
today
that
sets
right
on
the
boundaries.
C
That's
going
to
be
much
more
of
a
challenge.
Obviously,
what
we
want
to
try
to
do,
as
I
mentioned
early
on-
and
we
try
to
demonstrate
here-
is
that
there
is
more
informed
and
strategic
growth
for
those
communities
that
are
right.
There
impacted
more
so
than
others
by
fort
knox
and
it's
it's
its
mission,
but
to
represent
duplicity
to
your
point,
and
I
think,
as
mike
was
saying,
I
think
it's,
I
guess
we'll
be
finding
out.
J
Okay,
well,
I
I
appreciate
your
forward-looking
this
on
this
project
and
the
fact
that
you're
looking
out
for
future
projects-
and
I
I
applaud
your
your
work.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
D
Well,
just
to
kind
of
wrap
up
from.
From
my
perspective,
what
we've
talked
about
today
just
describes
one
tool
that
we
have
available
in
our
implementation
strategy
of
the
cup
to
try
to
help
mitigate
any
impacts
with
compatible
use.
This
particular
tool
happens
to
be
something
that
can
only
be
addressed
as
at
a
state
level,
because
there
are
no
local
means
to
to
enforce
any
kind
of
real
estate
disclosures
or
anything
on
deeds.
D
The
draft
is
getting
ready
to
turn
into
the
final
format
and
that
and
the
entire
plan
is
currently
available
on
our
website
there
at
missionnoxx.org,
if
you're,
if
so
interested.
That's
what
I
have
today,
mr
chair.
A
Okay,
identify
yourself
and
go
ahead
with
your
presentation.
H
Yes,
sir,
my
name
is,
commissioner,
whitney
allen,
the
seventh
commissioner
for
the
kentucky
department
of
veteran
affairs
good
morning,
co-chairmen
and
members
of
the
committee.
If
my
slide
is
available,
if
you
can
punch
it
up,
that'll
be
great.
If
not,
please
give
me
share
capabilities.
H
H
A
H
H
Okay,
let
me
do
one
more
thing:
awesome,
big
slides.
Now
I
can
see
better
all
right
again.
Thank
you
all
before
I
move
forward
two
things
I
want
to
introduce
my
team,
and
I
would
just
have
my
team.
Just
do
the
happy
hand
raised
so
let
the
committee
know
that
you're
there
I
have
my
deputy
commissioner
laniece
noel.
H
I
have
my
executive
director
for
veterans
services.
Al
duncan,
I
have
my
executive
director
of
veterans,
centers
mark
bowman,
and
I
also
have
my
assistant
director
for
benefits,
donna
scrivener
and
they
are
my
smart
people.
So
if
I
cannot
answer
any
questions,
I
will
be
turning
to
him.
Thank
you
donald.
I
see
your
hand
up
allen.
Everyone
else.
Thank
you.
H
So,
moving
to
the
next
slide
was
requested
to
answer
these
four
questions
today,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
and
I
will
proceed
to
with
a
couple
of
slides
and
and
a
quick
summary
and
then
I'll
return
you
to
the
daily
work.
H
Oh
and
the
second
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
for
the
member
of
the
committee
who
wanted
to
know
where
they
can
get
their
their
family
members,
dd214
or
any
records,
you
can
go
to
the
national
archives
and
I'm
emailing
miss
alice
kerr.
That
website
you
can
also
contact
april
brown
or
not
april.
H
I'm
sorry,
general
lamberton's
team
at
military
affairs
military
records,
so
we
do
have
a
a
record
despite
depository
for
the
state
of
kentucky
at
the
national
guard
headquarters
and
then
also
you
can
always
call
my
team.
This
is
what
we
do.
This
is
what
you
mandated
in
legislation
and
you
can
either
call
the
office
or
you
can
call
me,
and
I
can
just
quickly
run
down
the
route
to
go.
This
is
also
the
same
for
all
services.
H
I
would
recommend
you
come
to
me
based
on
what
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
dictate.
We
do
it
for
free.
We
do
not
charge
anybody.
We
do
not
ask
for
donations
and
if
you
can't
find
us
our
great
vsos
that
are
that
are
under
the
accreditation
under
certification,
such
as
the
vfw,
the
dav
amvets
and
the
such,
and
we
work
my
team
work
closely
with
them.
So
I
highly
recommend
that
route
before
we
go
to
other
type
of
individuals
and
I'll
leave
it
as
that.
H
So
these
are
the
four
questions
a
little
bit
of
background.
We
know
what
happened
for
covet
and
then
the
ui
situation,
but
by
may
1st
there
was
a
strategy
to
really
involve
the
whole
commonwealth
of
kentucky
government
to
support
ui
and
kdv.
H
Kdva
was
one
of
the
agencies
with
the
skill
set
that
was
requested
to
support
this
operations
I'll
move
to
the
next
slide.
It
says
purpose
and
impact
bottom
line.
Is
we
provided
two-thirds
of
our
veterans
benefit
field
representatives
to
include
two
of
our
regional
administrators
to
support
the
ui
team.
H
This
is
just
the
line
and
block
chart,
of
which
I
appreciate
the
committee
and
the
legislation
and
the
governor
signing
this.
Our
current
organization
chart
our
riot
chart
highlighted
in
red
as
the
benefit
division.
H
That
was
the
most
impact
because
they
had
the
skill
set
to
support
ui
other
branches
and
divisions
were
impacted
by
covert
as
well,
but
we
were
able
to
adjust
it
in
without
a
loss
of
personnel
per
se
to
details,
the
centers
definitely
locked
down
to
protect
our
great
veteran
residents
there
from
covet
19
and
then
the
cemeteries
suspended
operations
temporarily
and
then
eventually
restarted
with
covert
procedures
and
was
able
to
catch
up
with
the
coast,
the
case
loads
there
and
successful
barriers,
our
state
programs,
where
they
were
suspended
for
a
while,
just
like
every
profit,
nonprofit
or
any
agency
out
there
until
specific
covert
19
restrictions
were
in
place
and
procedures
to
do
safe
state
programs
operations,
with
the
exception
of
the
homeless
veterans
program
that
kept
coming,
we
kept
the
calls
rolling
the
others,
usually
involve
more
face-to-face
and
community
engagements.
H
This
is
just
a
layout,
the
vbfrs
that
are
spread
across
the
great
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
We
have
23,
vbfrs
and
and
three
ras
that
is,
and
that
might
be
one
or
two
off
of
what
we
are
statute
to
do.
But
this
is
how
we
are
broken
down.
H
The
numbers
are
the
different
districts,
so
each
vbfr,
if,
if
they're,
if
there's
just
one
in
13,
those
are
the
counties
that
individual
is
representing
and
serving
in
outreach
and
working
with
veterans,
with
their
claims
or
being
the
first
interface
for
other
services
in
those
communities
a
lot
of
territory
to
cover,
but
that
this
is
the
lay
down
for
what
we
do.
H
The
slide
shows
the
15
individual.
That
was
detailed.
If
you
look
to
the
far
right
and
gold
is
the
number
of
months,
they
were
detailed,
some
were
shorter
ad
day,
for
example,
one
of
our
region
administrator
was
pulled
back
to
help
the
remaining
members.
So,
like
I
said,
two-thirds
was
forward
to
assistant
ui.
They,
the
that
workload
of
two-thirds
of
the
of
the
force
was
transferred
to
the
other
one-third
okay.
So
that's
where
the
impact
come
in,
they
tripled
the
work
of
my
team.
H
Last
five
members
served
15
months.
They
were
actually
the
experts.
Some
of
them
have
rose
to
position
as
trainers
for
new
ui
assistants,
such
as
monica
acob
and
I'll
explain
a
little
bit
more
in
upcoming,
slides
yeah.
There
you
go
the
fraud
task
force,
they
were
great,
that's
why
they
were
detailed.
Additionally,.
H
Okay,
very
important
chart
right
here.
One
of
the
questions
asks:
how
did
it
impact
production
basically
for
claims?
So
if
you
see
everything
up
to
february
20th,
I'm
sorry
february,
2020
july
19
february,
2019
to
february
2020,
that
is
the
average
production
you
see.
The
ups
and
downs
just
like
the
stock
chart
was
just
the
ebb
and
flow
of
the
seasons
and
the
holidays
sometimes
losing
key
people.
H
But
the
big
piece
come
where
we
had
february
20
and
we
had
the
covet
19,
the
strict
procedures
that
were
put
in
the
slow
operation
down
and
let
the
the
rest
of
the
world
country
catch
up
on
combat
combat
and
this
virus.
So
you
saw
a
sharp
decline
in
production
and
and
and
the
big
takeaway
here
and
it's
more
covet
is
we
went
from
being
face
to
face
in
brick
and
mortar
to
adjust
virtual
okay
and
then
you
know
we
did
not
have
veterans
able
to
come
in.
H
So
we
have
a
wide
range
of
veterans
that
could
be
straight
out
of
transition
out
of
military
22,
23
years
old.
But
a
lot
of
our
customers
are
senior
veterans
and
then
family
members
who
have
who
are
supporting
their
senior
veterans
but
does
not
have
a
clue
or
do
not
have
a
clue
of
how
this
works,
so
that
face-to-face
is
very
important.
It
was
impacted
by
covet
and
that's
where
you
see
the
drop,
as
you
see
the
tick
to
go
up
at
around
the
time
of
may
2020.
H
H
As
we
change
to
detail
those
individuals
just
slowed
the
growth
to
return
back
to
normal
and,
as
you
can
see
the
different
comments,
it
shows
you're,
15
or
24.
Those
are
the
individuals
that
was
there.
Two
third
of
the
force
you
see
around
august
after
the
first
90
days
were
done,
was
now
down
to
one
one
third
of
the
force
and
then
eventually,
at
the
end
of
the
year,
we
were
able
to
get
all
our
individuals
back
to
support
the
team.
H
This
chart
here
shows
the
claims
pensions
compensation
survivor
benefits.
So
it
is
the
whole
gambit,
as
you
can
see,
we
do
in
in
in
great
times
prior
to
pademic,
we're
averaging
around
350
claims
per
month
across
the
state.
Majority
of
them
are
in-state
veterans
or
transitioning
out
of
fort
knox
and
fort
campbell.
We
have
onesies
and
twosies
that
are
outside
the
state
based
off
either.
That
has
some
connection
to
kentucky
or
was
with
us
at
some
point
in
time.
You
see
the
drop
off,
but
it
has
been
steadily
climbing.
H
Ever
since
we
turned
the
team
special
note,
we
did
lose
a
couple
of
people
through
attrition
and
unnecessary
ui
detail.
I
think
one
individual
actually
found
a
better
job
there
to
make
more
money,
but
but
basically
true,
attrition
and
having
new
individuals
coming
in
to
the
organization
and
we're
a
little
different.
So
it's
not
like
you
can
go
and
you
can
do
it
for
free,
go
online
and
become
a
claims
officer
or
a
rep
and
do
the
40-hour
training
and
get
accredited.
However,
my
teams
are
professional.
H
My
team
is
for
all
my
teams
are
professional,
but
this
team
is
is
particularly
professional
because
we
do
a
one
at
least
one
year
of
training.
Okay,
starting
from
something
they
said,
is
following
a
p,
a
p
o
a
a
powerful
attorney
for
individual
to
actually
dealing
with
a
variety
of
cases.
So
we
put
experts
on
the
ground
and
we
it's
based
like
an
apprentices,
you
work
for
a
year
and
then
you
graduate
to
be
in
a
pro
fight
at
the
next
level.
H
This
chart
here
shows
you,
the
income
that
we
generate
with
all
these
claims
for
veterans.
It's
a
running
claim.
Some
of
them
are
legacy.
Individuals
who've
been
in
the
system
for
20
years
and
then
they're
individuals
who
just
just
received
their
claims
and
now
receiving
their
benefits.
It's
steadily
growing
we'd
like
to
grow
it
more.
It
probably
would
be
at
a
higher
rate
if
it
wasn't
for
the
details
back
in
the
july
august
and
september
timeline,
but
that's
a-okay.
H
Our
goal
is
to
continue
to
grow
kdva,
to
provide
this
service,
this
free
service
and
also
teach
and
train
our
fellow
vsos
to
make
sure
they're
they're
following
the
same
guidelines,
so
they
can
be
more
efficient.
A
great
example
of
training
that
the
benefits
division
did
for
volunteers,
one
day,
training.
Let
them
know
what
it
needs
to
be,
what
they
need
the
toolkits.
They
need
to
have
to
be
better
claims
officers,
and
this
was
done-
I
believe,
november
18
at
eastern
kentucky
university
in
our
partnership.
H
H
So,
after
showing
all
the
charts
and
numbers,
I
could
have
just
put
this
up
front,
but
I
want
to
at
least
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
background.
Was
there
a
delay
in
service?
Yes,
how
many
we
we
had
on
hand
was
18.
Now
we
have
17
individuals.
H
You
know
you
know
the
pre
and
post
it
was
face
to
face
and
going
to
different
locations.
Doing
claims
clinics
at
a
vso
meeting.
Now
we're
doing
it
both
working
virtual
going
to
events
safely,
I'm
charging
my
team
to
start
working
with
companies.
My
deputy
commissioner
noel
is,
is
already
lining
up
an
opportunity
with
humana
to
talk
claims
and
take
claims
and
then
actually
help
them
have
somebody
who
under
teach
somebody
who
understand
the
system.
H
So
you
have
a
better
interface
with
kdva
and
we're
going
to
look
at
ups
and
in
just
other
areas
to
support
veterans.
Show
you
the
charts,
you're,
welcome
to
go
back
and
look
at
that,
and
I
can
answer
any
questions.
You
know,
is
it
happening
now?
No
did
it
impact
us
with
claims?
Yes,
it
just
slowed
the
process.
I
will
tell
you
and
give
a
note.
H
I
was
talking
to
donna,
va
federal,
I
mean
that's
usually
what's
next
after
we
file
the
claims
and
forward
it
to
va,
we
continued
on
my
team
worked
closely
with
the
federal
va
to
identify
claims
that
did
not
need
an
exam
okay.
H
So
if
those
claims
could
be
adjudicated,
if
I'm
corrected
at
the
right
term,
we
were
able
to
get
those
adjudicated
in
a
couple
of
days
or
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
those
that
needed
exams.
They
were
delayed
either
because
contractors
or
facilities
weren't,
allowing
individuals
to
to
do
the
appointments
or
the
veteran
was
not
able
to
do
it
at
that
time,
which
is
you
know,
it's
always
a
challenge.
We
can't
drive
the
veterans
day.
H
It
would
be
great
if
you
give
me
a
big
budget,
I'll
drive
them
to
the
clinics
myself,
but
if
there
was
any
delays,
that
was
the
major
piece,
but
as
for
our
team,
we're
able
to
buckle
down
and
accomplish
the
mission
so
on
the
next
slide.
Before
I
take
questions
bottom
line
team,
it
did
slow
this
down
a
little
bit,
but
it
did
not
stop
operations.
I
truly
respect
it.
The
commissioner,
then
commissioner,
jackson's
decision
to
support
the
personnel
cabinet
in
solving
this
problem.
H
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
colonel
allen.
Thank
you
for
your
service
and
thank
you
for
being
with
us
today.
I
I
just
had
a
comment:
you're
you're,
absolutely
correct.
You
do
have
an
outstanding
team
and
at
kdva
and
just
wanted
to
comment,
compliment
them,
and
I
I
contact
your
office
countless
times
and
and
with
veterans
questions
and
and
it's
amazing,
the
the
work
that
you
all
do,
and
I
just
wanted
to
compliment
you
on
that
and
and
under
your
leadership
that
good
work
continues
and
thank
you-
and
I
want
to.
I
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
colonel
allen.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation
today
and
I
would
echo
what
senator
higdon
just
said.
Your
folks
have
always
been
responsive,
do
an
excellent
job.
You
have
a
a
top-notch
staff
there
that
works
for
you
and
I
certainly
appreciate
it.
I
know
our
veterans
appreciate
it.
I
do
have
a
couple
quick
questions.
G
H
Hey
sir,
thank
you
for
the
compliment
and
our
goal
is
to
strive
for
we're
great,
but
we're
trying
to
be
the
goat.
I
strive
for
legacies
and
it
was
all
in
general,
so
it
wasn't
specific
veterans
if
it
happened
to
be
a
veteran,
I
know
of
cases
where
they
were
able
to
refer
them
back
to
us
and
worked
on
whatever
issues.
But
but
to
answer
your
question,
it
was
general
all
population.
G
And
thank
you
for
that
colonel
and
I,
and
I
just
asked
that
question
and
thinking
out
loud
wondering
why
that
we
would
pull
two-thirds
of
of
your
staff
to
help
with
ui
benefits
when
we
offered
100
employees
from
lrc
to
help
with
the
ui
issues
and
was
turned
down
for
that
offer
of
help
and
were
taken
away.
G
Two-Thirds
of
your
employees,
that's
helping
our
veterans
every
day
with
their
issues,
and
so-
and
I
know
that's
not
an
answer
or
a
question
for
you,
but
it
just
makes
me
wonder
why
we
would
do
that.
The
next
thing,
colonel
is,
I
just
want
to
go
on
record,
as
chairman
thomas
had
mentioned
earlier,
about
the
letters
we've
been
receiving
and
the
contacts.
I
know
I've
spoken
with
your
staff
and
got
confirmation,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
for
those
that
are
concerned.
G
H
No
sir,
we're
not
and
just
to
let
you
know,
I've
gone
the
hazard
representing
the
government
and
myself
and
talks
to
the
team
to
rest
assure
that
no
no
centers
are
being
closed
right
now,
that's
not
even
on
the
table.
You
know
we
all
have
challenges
as
you
can
see
in
the
healthcare
world
and
that's
where
we're
going
at
so
I've
talked
to
him.
We
had
an
open
forum
and
I've
left
them
to
to
express
themselves
in
any
way
we're
a
transparent
organization,
and
they
answer
your
question.
G
Thank
you,
colonel,
and
thank
you
for
addressing
that
with
them
and,
like
I
said,
I'd
already
spoken
with
members
of
your
staff,
and
I
knew
that
to
be
the
case,
but
I
just
want
to
try
to
bring
some
comfort
to
some
of
those
that
are
hearing
things
through
the
grapevine
and
make
sure
that
they
have
some
peace
of
mind
there.
G
One
other
thing:
colonel
real,
quick
I'll
point
out
that
being
the
the
the
most
recent
commissioner
and
I
point
this
out
as
each
new
commissioner
comes
in,
that
we
are
still
striving,
since
the
approval
of
the
two
2017
for
the
bowling
green
nursing
home
that
the
next
nursing
home
facility
to
be
built
in
the
commonwealth
and
it's
reflected
in
our
budget.
Each
budget
cycle
is
to
be
in
mcgoffin
county,
and
I
just
wanted
to
to
make
you
aware
of
that.
Sir.
Thank
you
colonel.
H
Yeah,
thank
you,
sir,
and
I
just
want
to
add
to
the
committee
a
favor.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'm
kind
of
scared
to
say
it,
because
I'm
not
a
politician,
even
though
it's
a
military
officer,
if
you
can
send
letters
of
thank
yous
to
my
veteran
centers,
it's
been
a
long,
tough
18
months,
almost
two
years
and
trying
to
take
care
of
their
veterans.
H
And
I
know
many
of
you
are
veterans,
and
you
know
how
it
is
in
combat,
especially
with
our
healthcare
professionals,
taking
care
of
the
wounded
or
always
being
there
for
us
when
we
need
it,
and
that
was
a
challenging
time
and-
and
I
think
that
will
help
if
definitely
answer
their
questions,
if
they're
reaching
out
to
you
and
their
concerns
and
definitely
reach
out
to
me
and
I'll,
be
transparent
and
answer
the
questions
to
the
best
of
my
ability.
H
If
I
have
my
lawyer,
don't
be
scared,
it's
always
good
to
protect
myself,
because
I
can
only
put
a
foot
in
my
mouth,
but
if,
if,
if
you
all
have
time
just
one
letter
to
you
know
to
the
centers,
that
would
be
a
great
start
to
to
get
them
motivated
and
let
them
know
that
we
all
support
them.
My
team
does
it
we
try
to
encourage
them.
Mark
bowman
is
always
out
on
the
road.
H
My
deputy
is
making
sure
my
schedule
is
set
to
get
out
to
see
everyone
on
the
team
and
and
now
that,
hopefully
we
have
this
turnaround
covert.
We
could
be
more
more
present,
so
I
I
just
actually,
if
you
don't
don't
worry
about
it.
I
appreciate
it,
but
just
you
know
just
letting
the
thanks
for
the
things
they've
done
because
number
one
they
had
to
protect
themselves
and
their
family.
H
Then
they
have
to
go
to
the
facilities
and
protect
themselves
from
other
people
can
come
to
the
facilities
and
then
the
most
important
thing
is
they
have
to
prove
they
have
to
protect
those
veterans,
and
they
have
to
do
all
of
these
procedures
that
that
they
normally
wouldn't
have
to
do
that.
We've
done
when
we
were
serving
so.
Thank
you.
G
Colonel
thank
you
for
that
suggestion.
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
suggestion
and
if
I
may
ask
of
you
and
your
staff,
if
you
could
forward
at
minimum
those
of
us
on
the
committee,
the
addresses
of
all
the
facilities,
we
would
be
glad
to
draft
letters
and
send
of
support
to
those
folks
because
they
do
an
outstanding
job
and-
and
I
will
add
that
mark
bowman
does
a
an
outstanding
job
for
you
as
well.
He's
he's
always
there
and
he's
always
helpful
anytime,
we've
ever
called
upon,
so
he's
a
great
asset
for
you.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
it
colonel
thank
you
for
your
service,
and
I
also
want
to
echo
what
senator
higdon
had
said
about
your
organization.
I
think
it
is
top
notch.
I've
had
personal
dealings
with
them.
I
also
want
to
kind
of
go
down
the
same
path.
B
That
representative
blanton
did
I'm
not
understanding
the
decision-making
process
where
we
pulled
two
thirds
of
your
staff
and
away
from
processing
veterans
claims
for
disability,
for
health,
medical
housing,
all
these
important
stuff
for
the
veterans
and
putting
them
on
the
ui
when
we
had
a
over
100
employees
from
the
lrc
had
volunteered
to
go
over,
and
do
that,
I'm
not
quite
understanding
that
process
and
I'd
like
to
know
more
about
it.
If
you
could
enlighten
me
on
that.
H
Sir,
I
was
not
here
when
the
decision
was
made
when
I
when
I
arrived,
we
were
already
moving
forward
and
I
supported
commissioner
jackson's
decision
now.
I
would
tell
you,
from
my
perspective,
as
I
was
learning
the
organization
quickly
coming
as
chief
of
staff
and
then
the
acting
deputy
for
the
time
being
is.
I
can
see
why
it's
attractive
to
pick
kdda
benefit
representatives
have
extensive
training,
customer
service
training,
so
they
know
how
to
interact
with
veterans
they.
H
They
know
how
to
talk
to
a
veteran
that
is
70
plus
and
not
very
good
at
technology,
or
not
familiar
compared
to
my
daughters,
my
daughters
who
are
a
teenager
and
one
at
uk.
They
know
how
to
talk
to
somebody
with
ptsd,
okay,
we're
not
clinically
trained
to
do
that,
but
we
have
enough
experience
where
we
know
we
can
take
a
little
breath.
H
Let
the
let
the
veterans
speak
vent
and
it
is
a
lot
across
the,
but
I've
gotten
a
lot,
let
them
vent
and
then
let
them
listen.
So
I
think
the
the
the
level
of
empathy,
the
what's
the
skills
I
like
to
say,
soft
skills
that
we
have
in
our
track
record
is
probably
why
it
was
very
attractive
to
to
access
to
support
this
detail.
B
I
I
understand
that
colonel
and
that
speaks
to
the
professionalism
of
your
organization,
but
on
the
back
side
of
that,
it
kind
of
leaves
us
veterans
on
the
short
end
of
the
stick
and
that's
why
I'm
concerned
about
who
made
this
decision?
How
did
it
and
how
did
it
come
about.
H
Yeah
well,
sir
you're
gonna
have
to
discuss
this
with
the
personnel
cabinet
as
asked.
Why
did
all
this
was
was
made,
sir?
So
sorry,
I
can't
have
that
ask
for
it,
but
I
can
see
why
we're
very
attractive
to
be
part
of
the
team.
B
Yes,
sir,
and
I
appreciate
your
time-
I
appreciate
you
coming
before
the
committee
today
and
I
definitely
appreciate
your
leadership
in
your
organization.
B
A
Now
we're
ready
for
the
final
item
on
our
agenda:
the
joint
executive
council
council
of
veterans
organizations.
Would
you
two
gentlemen:
come
forward
identify
yourself
for
the
official
record
and
then
proceed
with
your
presentation.
J
Veteran
organizations
here
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky-
I
have
with
me
my
legislative
chairman,
larry
retired,
colonel
larry
arnett,
who
is
here
to
make
the
presentation.
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
committee
members.
Let
me
just
turn
this
around
a
little
bit.
Gentlemen.
Y'all
been
very
appreciative
of
the
of
the
work
of
the
folks
that
support
veterans.
But
let
me
turn
this
around.
The
fact
is
on
behalf
of
the
26
veteran
service
organizations
and
the
295
000
veterans
and
their
families.
N
We
ought
to
be
thanking
you
and,
and-
and
we
will
thank
you-
the
fact
is
that
we
would
not
be
here
in
kentucky
at
a
status
without
your
blessing
and
strong
support.
N
Well,
just
take
a
look
over
the
last
30
years,
and
I've
been
working
with
this
committee
for
33
years
over
that
last
30
years,
plus
you've
created
a
new
department.
Commissioner,
allen
has
just
given
you
a
briefing
in
regard
to
that
department
that
department
speaks
and
works
solely
on
behalf
of
kentucky
veterans
and
their
families.
N
We're
also
in
the
process
of
building
a
fifth
nursing
home
to
take
care
of
elderly
veterans.
Thank
you.
You
funded
the
opera,
the
the
construction,
the
operation
of
five
veteran
cemeteries,
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
dignified
burial
opportunity
for
our
veterans
and
their
families
if
they
so
desire.
N
They
talked.
Commissioner
allen
talked
about
the
very
robust
benefits
counseling
program
to
make
sure
that
veterans
get
the
earned
benefits.
Kdva
works
very
closely
with
the
veteran
service
organizations
who
do
the
same
thing
and
between
the
two.
We
make
sure
that
veterans
get
the
benefit
claims
that
they
so
rightfully
earned.
So
the
appreciation
goes
both
ways.
We
certainly
appreciate
you
folks
who
have
supported
us
and
not
only
you
but
your
your
predecessors
in
both
chambers.
N
So
let
me
just
tell
you
today
in
regards
to
what
we
would
ask
for
your
consideration
in
the
upcoming
general
assembly
session.
We
do
not
want
to
backslide
on
any
of
that
progress.
N
We
don't
want-
and
I
know
that
you
don't
want
to
see
any
regression
in
the
amount
of
support
that
we
jointly
render
to
the
veterans
and
their
families
here
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
So
we
asked
this
committee
on
both
chambers
to
make
sure
that
kdva
has
is
given
a
strong
and
sustainable
budget
in
this
upcoming
general
assembly
session.
N
N
N
N
Why
is
that
important?
Just
look
at
the
the
success
that
those
vso
posts
provide
your
communities
in
charitable
contributions,
but,
even
more
importantly,
it
provides
a
proximity
source.
Now
kdva
has
talked
about
their
representatives,
their
benefit
counseling
representatives,
but
the
veteran
service
organizations,
through
their
posts,
provide
proximity
to
your
veterans
and
their
families
to
if
they
want
and
need
claim
service.
N
N
N
N
These
veterans
have
come
back
to
the
state
of
kentucky,
and
not
only
do
they
provide
the
revenue
from
their
benefits
and
one
of
the
presentations
earlier
talks
about
much
of
the
benefits
that
kentucky
derives
from
the
department
of
defense
industries,
but
we
also
get
the
same
rapiding
benefits
from
our
retired
veterans,
who
live
here
in
kentucky
and
and
achieve
retirement
benefits.
N
And
so
we
ask
that
you
consider-
and
I
know
that
there
are
some
there
is
some
support
from
some
of
the
veteran
organizations
that
we
have
here
in
the
state
of
kentucky
and
we
represent
those
individuals.
But
we
also
know
that
there
is
also
strong
representation
and
support
within
your
general
assembly
to
achieve
that,
and
so
whatever
mechanism
that
you
decide
is
the
best
way
to
approach
that.
I
just
want
to
ensure
that
you
understand
that
the
26
veteran
organizations
that
we
represent
strongly
supports
that
initiative.
N
I'll
close
with
one
last
one
last
item,
and
that
was
that
we
back
in
may
of
this
year,
the
joint
executive
council
of
veteran
organizations
of
kentucky
passed
a
resolution
expressing
our
strong
support
for
hyperbaric
oxygen
therapy
treatment
for
our
veterans.
N
Now
that
resolution,
mr
chairman,
was
provided
to
the
two
chairmen.
I
hope
that
those
are
a
copy
of
that
resolution
is
in
your
package
for
you
to
take
a
look
at.
N
There's
strong
rationale
for
kentucky
to
follow
the
lead
that
you
achieved
in
2018.
N
in
2018,
the
general
assembly
passed
the
colonel
ron,
ray
traumatic
brain
injury
treatment
bill
and
what
it
allows
is
the
it
white
was
not
allowed
before
we
don't
know,
but
in
the
past
hyperbaric
oxygen
therapy
treatments
has
not
been
allowed
to
be
treated
to
veterans
who
are
suffering
from
traumatic,
brain
injury
or
post
comedic
stress
disorder.
N
N
N
Is
it
available
in
private
facilities?
It
is
we
have
facilities
here
in
the
state
of
kentucky
that
offer
this
kind
of
treatment.
Why
is
that
important?
Well,
that
means
that
they
have
the
chambers
necessary
to
provide
that
treatment,
but
it
also
dovetails
directly
into
the
u.s
department
of
veterans
affairs
community
treatment
program
where
they
are
actually
contracting
with
local
providers
to
provide
treatment
in
proximity
to
where
the
veterans
are,
and
so
we
have
those
statewide,
and
we
would
ask
your
consideration
on
both
of
those
entities.
N
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
Very
strong
presentation.
This
morning.
My
comments
are
for
your
number
two
priority
and
that's
the
veteran
service
organization
property
tax
for
everybody
on
here
on
this
committee.
Thank
you
for
your
support
of
that.
It's
because
of
the
strong
support
that
we
had
that
we're
able
to
get
that
written
into
the
budget.
L
So
that
being
said,
the
standalone
bill
is
very
complicated.
If
anybody
has
any
questions
on
that
and
stop
by
catch
me
and
I'll,
explain
to
you
why
that
is
complicated.
There's
lots
of
debate
whether
or
not
that
actually
needs
to
be
a
constitutional
amendment.
Representative
brancher
and
I
have
run
companion
bills
on
this
with
a
constitutional
amendment
trying
to
pass
it
that
way.
We've
tried
both
avenues.
Trying
to
get
that
done.
We
finally
were
able
to
work
this
out
and
get
in
the
budget,
but
the
load
falls
on
all
of
us
now.
L
So
when
the
budget
meetings
start
coming
up
and
when
you
meet
session-
and
that
starts
going
on
one
of
our
priorities,
please
everyone
on
veterans
committee
list.
This
is
one
of
your
priorities
that
we
make
sure
that
that
stays
in
the
budget
and
that's
something
that
we'll
have
to
ensure
every
year
that
we
we
do
that.
So.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
G
Representative
blanton,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
gentlemen,
thank
you
for
your
presentation
today.
Certainly
supportive
of
bureau's
priorities
always
have
been
and
always
will
be,
and
I
just
ask
for
your
all
support,
as
well
as
I'm
sure
you're
familiar
with
mr
larry
laning
and
his
push
for
us
mcgofan
county
on
our
veterans,
nursing
home
and
the
impact
it
can
have
not
only
on
our
region
but
on
our
commonwealth.
G
As
unlock
some
of
the
facilities
we've
proven
in
eastern
kentucky,
we
can
fill
the
beds
and
we
can
staff
the
personnel
and
that's
one
of
the
problems.
Some
of
the
other
facilities
are
having
they're
not
able
to
do
that.
Well,
we
can-
and
I
think
that
is
shows
that
that
is
a
prime
location
to
serve
our
veterans
in
this
commonwealth.
So
I
hope
for
jeff
kohl's
support
in
that
endeavor.
Thank
you.
N
Representative
blanton,
I
might
address
that.
I
had
the
privilege
of
actually
being
in
mark
bowman's
position
at
the
time
when
we
were
developing
the
getting
the
funding
and
actually
constructing
the
home
that
we
have
in
eastern
and
western
kentucky
and-
and
I
actually
had
the
privilege
of
of
being
a
running,
the
the
actually
working
at
the
thompson-
hood
veterans
center
in
wilmore.
While
we
were
doing
that
and
so
the
first.
The
first
element
was
that
we
would
put
one
in
central
kentucky.
N
Then
we
would
hit
the
two
extremes
in
in
eastern
and
western
kentucky.
Southern
kentucky
got
a
little
bit
of
a
head
of
of
mcgoffin
county
in
their
work,
and
so
they
were
wound
up
being
next
on
the
list.
But
there
is
no
question
that
northeastern
kentucky
is
and
should
be,
the
next
location
for
a
another
home.
Should
we
be
able
to
fund
one.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation.
This
concludes
this
meeting.
Of
course,
this
committee
will
split
into
two
in
january,
the
house
committee
and
the
senate
committee,
and
that's
when
we
will
next
meet
if
there's
nothing
else
before
us,
we're
ready
for
motion
to
adjourn.