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B
A
I'm
here
in
the
room
and
if
we
could
have
all
of
our
participants
mute
all
the
virtual
participants,
make
sure
you're
on
mute
and
then
all
the
ones
live
here
make
sure
your
microphone's
off.
We
have
a
little
bit
of
feedback
going
on
so
gotcha
all
right.
We
have
a
quorum
and
we're
duly
constituted
here.
A
The
full
meeting
today
is
the
kentucky
association
of
counties
coming
to
give
their
legislative
platform
for
the
upcoming
2022
session,
and
we
have
jim
henderson
executive,
director
and
shelly
hampton
director
of
government
affairs
and
if
y'all
would
like
to
come
forward
to
the
table,
the
meeting
will
be
yours
and
we'll
have
some
time
at
the
end
for
questions
as
well.
A
F
Morning
and
thank
you,
I
think,
we're
working
on
a
little
feedback
here
at
the
laptop,
and
I
was
talking
with
chairman
meredith
before
I
got
to
the
table,
and
I
am
even
more
impressed
than
normal
that
this
is
the
only
thing
on
the
agenda
and
this
many
folks
showed
up
for
the
meeting
on
a
short
week
at
that.
So
I'm
extremely
honored
so
good
morning
and,
as
chairman
emil
said,
I'm
jim
henderson
and
caico
executive
director
and
my
tag.
F
F
It
is
thanksgiving
week
and
it's
a
short
week
for
conducting
business,
and
I'm
going
to
assume
that
you,
like
me,
may
have
your
thoughts
on
things
other
than
public
policy
and
good
government
this
week.
Maybe
a
table
of
good
food
with
family,
maybe
a
football
game.
An
annual
family
rabbit
hunt
whatever
it
is
that
thanksgiving
means
to
you.
F
I
hope
it'll
be
a
time
of
reflection
on
your
blessings
and
that
will
offer
up
thanks
for
all
those
things
that
we
are
blessed
with
hope
you
get
to
spend
it
with
people
that
you
love
the
most,
as
I
plan
to
do,
and
so
in
the
spirit
of
thanksgiving
I'd
like
for
each
of
you
to
be
thankful
for
me
and
shelley
at
the
end
of
this
meeting
and
and
to
do
that
is
my
commitment
for
us
to
keep
it
briefer
than
normal,
and
let
you
get
out
of
here
a
little
bit
early.
F
F
I'm
technology
averse,
so,
okay,
we're
good.
So
it's
it's
my
plan,
our
plan
for
the
two
of
us
to
spend
no
more
than
about
10
minutes
a
piece
with
remarks
about
10
minutes,
a
piece
and
then
open
it
up
for
questions.
So
before
we
get
started.
I
do
want
to
introduce
a
few
folks
in
the
room
who
work
alongside
us
in
the
effort
advocating
on
behalf
of
counties
a
couple
of
folks
from
our
team
back
at
caico,
caico
staff.
F
Again,
you
all
know
shelley
very
well.
You
may
not
know
as
well
but
beginning
to
get
to
know
our
associate
director
of
government
affairs,
gracie
lagadinos
who's
with
us
this
morning
and
also
a
research.
Our
research,
analyst
kayla
carter's
in
the
room
and
her
role
is
to
provide
the
background,
data
and
information
that
helps
inform
a
lot
of
what
we
advocate
for
grace,
clark's,
walking
around
the
room,
taking
pictures
she's
our
legislative
communications
associate
and
and
they're
all
important
part
of
our
caico
team
on
staff.
F
But
you
all
probably
know
this
or
maybe
not,
that
caico
represents
all
counties
and
we
represent
all
the
county
officials
in
all
120
counties.
1500
county
officials
across
the
state
and
but
but
each
subgroup
of
county
official
in
each
county
also
has
a
an
affiliate
organization.
That's
just
for
that
of
that,
so
that
county
official
group,
whether
it
be
the
county,
judges,
magistrates,
jailers,
whoever,
and
so
we
have
a
few
of
those
folks
in
the
room
today
as
well.
F
I
want
to
introduce
them
because
they're
important
partners
in
the
work
we
do
on
behalf
of
counties,
you
all
know
jerry
wagner,
who
is
the
director
of
the
kentucky
sheriff's
association,
former
fleming
county
sheriff.
He
does
a
great
job
on
behalf
of
sheriffs
mack
bushart,
with
the
pva
association
again,
a
former
pva.
Who
knows
the
issues
in
and
out?
Let's
see
where
did
jc
get
off
to?
Oh,
he
slipped
out.
Okay,
j.c
young
was
here
earlier.
F
Jc
represents
magistrates
and
commissioners,
todd
ruckel,
who
is
the
director
of
the
county,
judges,
association,
former
lewis,
county
judge,
and
I
think
that's
all
of
our
affiliate
directors
that
are
here
and
and
our
affiliates
again
are
our
partners
with
caico
we're
all
advocating
on
behalf
of
counties.
So
if
you
see
us,
you
see
them,
you
see
any
of
our
county
officials
over
here.
You
know
that
we're
all
on
the
same
county
team.
F
I
know
many
of
you
on
this
committee,
some
of
you,
I
knew
in
my
former
role.
I've
only
been
in
this
role
at
caico
for
about
two
and
a
half
years,
and
before
coming
to
caico,
I
was
an
elected
county
official.
I
served
as
a
judge
executive
in
simpson
county
for
almost
20
years.
So
for
me
personally,
this
is
so
much
more
than
than
my
vocation.
It
really
is
a
passion
I
believe
in
the
work
that
counties
do,
and
I
know
this
work
firsthand.
F
You
know,
while
we
have
a
lot
of
legislative
priorities
that
we'll
be
working
on
this
session,
and
many
of
them
are
priorities
that
you
have
heard
of
in
previous
sessions,
one
of
our
top
priorities.
This
session
doesn't
require
a
piece
of
legislation
and
doesn't
require
the
appropriation
of
a
single
dollar.
So
I
thought
that
might
be
of
interest
to
you
and,
and
that
is
an
issue
or
a
priority
that
we're
calling
educate
and
inform.
F
And
so
so
much
of
our
of
our
priorities
that
we
talk
about
are
issues
that
we
talk
about
over
here.
You
know
we
often
have
an
overestimated
assumption
that
people
know
what
counties
do
and
how
legislation
impacts,
counties
and
that
you,
as
legislators,
understand
the
complexities
of
county
government,
our
constitutional,
our
statutory
responsibilities,
and
maybe
you
already
have
an
appreciation
for
the
distinction
between
county
government
and
the
other
units
of
local
governments.
F
Counties
are
political
subdivisions
of
the
state,
but
I
have
to
remind
myself
and
our
team
and
county
officials
that
many
legislators
are
newer
and
that
you
are
bombarded
from
the
time
that
you're
elected
from
constituency
groups
and
special
interests
who
are
trying
to
make
sure
you
understand
their
issues.
So
it's
incumbent
upon
us
and
we're
making
this
a
priority
for
caico
to
be
more
committed
to
educating
and
informing
members
of
the
general
assembly
and
others
about
what
counties
do.
F
You
know
in
my
second
term
as
judge
I
had
the
opportunity
to
hire
an
administrative
assistant,
an
executive
assistant-
and
I
was
interested
in
a
young
lady
in
our
community.
Who'd
just
finished
a
two-year
degree
and
was
working
in
a
local
plant.
There,
her
degrees
in
human
resources
and
I
knew
the
family.
She
came
from
a
top
top-notch
family.
F
In
the
community
I'd
gone
to
church
with
her
parents,
I
knew
them
very
well
and
I
tried
to
get
her
to
come
to
work
for
me
and
she
was
a
little
bit
leery
about
moving
after
she
had
just
taken
her
first
job,
but
her
mom
ended
up
asking
me
said:
well,
would
you
have
any
interest
in
hiring
me
and
I
thought
wow
I
mean
yeah.
That
would
have
been
my
first
choice,
but
I
didn't
think
I
even
had
that
opportunity.
F
She
worked
for
a
local
attorney
and
had
been
involved
in
the
community
a
long
time,
and
I
assumed
that
she
was
at
a
place
in
her
career
and
maybe
in
her
in
her
salary
that
I
couldn't
compete,
but
she
was
interested.
I
hired
her
and
again
I
tell
you
about
her.
She
and
her
husband.
Her
husband
was
a
long
time
employee
with
a
local
business.
They
were
fives
on
the
voter
list
by
the
way,
and
all
of
you
all
know
what
that
means
very
plugged
in
very
committed
and
very
involved
in
the
community.
F
She
homeschooled
her
four
children,
so
a
homeschool
parent,
even
more
than
maybe
most
has
to
learn
more
about
things
like
government
and
civics
and
history
and
the
things
that
you
would
teach
your
kids,
and
so
I
knew
I
was
getting
the
kind
of
person
that
would
fit
right
in
and
you
know
about
six
months
into
the
off
into
the
job.
I
remember
pam,
looking
at
me
one
day
in
the
office
and
said
I
had
no
idea
what
happened
inside
the
county
courthouse
and
the
judge
executive's
office.
F
I
didn't
realize
that
the
counties
were
involved
in
all
these
different
things
and
I
think
that's
just
it.
People
don't
know,
and
in
fact
I
didn't
know
when
I
first
got
elected.
You
know
it's
kind
of
like
the
dog
chasing
the
car.
You
know
I
caught
it
and
it's
like
wow
now.
What
am
I
going
to
do
and
you
learn
about
these
things
and
I
think
people
don't
necessarily
understand
so
again.
Our
priority
that
will
extend
beyond
this
session
is
to
do
a
better
job
of
helping.
You
all
understand
what
counties
do
jails.
F
For
example,
you
know
that's
been
an
issue
for
counties
for
a
long
time
and
it's
not
getting
better
in
terms
of
the
constraints
it
puts
on
our
county
budgets.
I
remember
shelley
sharing
a
story
a
few
years
ago
with
a
member
of
the
of
the
legislature.
In
fact,
I
think
it
was
a
member
of
this
committee
long
ago,
a
person
who's
no
longer
here
who,
when
we
were
testifying
as
counties
about
the
the
cost
of
jails
and
the
and
the
constraints
it
placed
on
our
county
budgets,
the
response
from
that
legislator
was
well.
F
And
that
sounds
like
a
novel
idea,
except
that
it
doesn't
change
the
responsibility
of
the
county
to
be
responsible
for
the
incarceration
of
prisoners
to
be
responsible
for
those
who
are
who
are
arrested
and
taken
into
custody.
And
so
again,
sometimes
it's
just
assumed
that
people
know
that
that
that
jails
are
a
a
a
responsibility
of
counties
that
we
cannot
not
do,
and
so
those
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
maybe
we
assume
people
understand
and,
and
maybe
they
don't
jerry
is
here.
I
mentioned
the
head
of
the
sheriff's
association.
F
However,
many
people,
the
judge
says,
need
to
be
in
that
courtroom.
Whatever
the
security
needs
are
processing
the
warrants
and
the
summons,
you
know,
every
citizen
depends
on
a
a
system
where,
if
I
need
you
to
come
to
court,
you
know
you
issue
a
summons.
That's
all
the
responsibility
of
the
sheriff
collecting
taxes
and
settling
what
in
most
counties
is
millions
of
dollars
every
year
to
all
the
taxing
districts
and
all
the
agencies
that
are
on
the
receiving
end
of
the
property
tax.
F
I
mean
those
are
big
responsibilities
and
those
all
have
to
happen
before
you
put
the
first
law
enforcement
officer
out
on
a
street
doing
doing
policing,
and
so
again
most
people
don't
know
all
the
things
that
the
sheriff
has
to
do.
I
think
about
our
county
coroners
and
again,
sometimes
the
unintended
consequences
of
legislation.
When
maybe
legislators
don't
fully
understand
some
of
these
county
offices.
F
But
I'll
tell
you
as
a
county
judge.
When
I
found
out
how
little
we
were
putting
into
our
coroner's
budget.
I
was
very
thankful
that
a
local
funeral
home
was
willing
to
kind
of
carry
that
office
and
this
legislator's
bill
actually
would
have
created
over
70
vacancies
in
the
office
of
coroner
immediately
upon
passage
across
our
state,
so
again,
just
understanding
that
the
bill
quickly
didn't
didn't,
go
anywhere
and
that
legislator
learned
about
the
implications
of
that,
but
again
just
understanding
that
coroners
have
a
tremendous
responsibility.
F
The
death
investigations
that
that
have
to
go
on
in
my
small
county,
60
or
70
deaths
a
year
that
involved
our
county
coroner,
making
a
determination,
and
the
list
goes
on
animal
control,
emergency
management,
county-wide
planning
and
zoning
economic
development
la
heap.
Anybody
know
what
laheep
is
some
of
you
who
know
the
county
judge
ends
up
being
a
a
liaison
to
your
community
action
agency
and
your
and
is
responsible
for
public
health.
All
these
things
that
again
most
people
don't
even
know
that
the
county
is
involved
in
you
know,
I
think.
F
Sometimes
we
all
assume
those
very
basics.
You
know
bridges
and
roads.
I
mean
those
are
first
priorities
for
a
lot
of
counties,
but
all
these
other
things
are
part
of
what
we
do
and
so
telling
that
county
story
is
is
so
important
to
us
and
again,
when
you
see
us
coming
this
session,
we
might
just
be
coming
to
talk
about
that.
We
may
not
be
coming
to
ask
for
much
other
than
an
open
door
and
a
willing
and
listening
ear.
So
that's
priority
number
one
on
our
list.
F
Today
we
won't
spend
as
much
time
on
each
priority
as
I
did
on
that
one,
but
because
this
is
again
one
that
we're
going
to
focus
on
quite
a
bit
and
I'm
going
to
pass
the
baton
to
my
counterpart,
shelly
he'll
dive
into
a
couple
of
the
other
issues.
G
Thank
you,
jim
chairman
mills,
chairman
meredith,
a
member
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
being
here,
like
jim
said
it's
a
short
week
and
we
understand
the
significance
of
the
week.
So
thank
you
all
for
for
being
here
and
and
hearing
us
out
today.
As
we
present
some
of
our
overarching
legislative
priorities,
you'll
see
in
your
handout.
G
We
have
divided
these
up
into
five
categories
if
you
will
educated
in
form,
county
jails,
transportation,
criminal
justice
and
revenue
and
budgets,
and
so
we'll
go
through
those
and
at
the
end
of
course,
we'd
be
glad
to
to
take
any
questions
or
have
hear
any
comments
or
feedback,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
start
with
county
jails.
G
It's
well
documented
that
kentucky's
incarcerated
population
is
being
driven
in
large
part
by
addiction
and
mental
health
crisis
or
inmates
with
a
combination
of
the
two.
The
lack
of
available
mental
health
beds
is
not
new.
In
the
50s
there
were
over
300
mental
health
beds
per
100
000
population
in
the
u.s
by
the
early
2000s
that
went
down
to
29
beds.
This
has
left
our
77
full-service
jails
as
the
front-line
detox
and
mental
health
facility.
G
In
most
communities,
law
enforcement
is
usually
who
is
called
to
handle
these
situations
with
this
population
and
often
feels
they
have
few
other
options,
but
to
take
them
to
the
local
jail.
The
crisis
across
kentucky
affects
every
county,
whether
they
operate
their
own
jail
or,
like
jim
said,
are
closed
in
contract
with
neighboring
counties.
They
are
still
responsible
for
those
inmates.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
each
county
is
financially
responsible
and
we
know
the
state
also
faces
corrections
related
challenges.
G
The
growth
of
kentucky's
incarcerated
population
has
far
outpaced.
Our
own
state's
population,
growth
between
2011
and
2019
kentucky's
population
grew
by
two
percent.
Our
incarcerated
population
in
the
same
time
period
grew
by
31
percent,
which
means
the
financial
obligation
for
the
state
and
for
counties.
Only
increases
counties
spend
over
a
hundred
million
dollars
a
year
out
of
their
general
fund
in
jail,
related
costs
for
inmates
who
are
arrested
and
charged
on
state
crimes.
G
Currently
we
have
over
20
21
000
inmates
housed
in
county
jails
as
of
november
11th
count.
Of
course,
the
expenses
only
exploded
when
covet
arrived
on
the
scene,
the
rush
to
to
separate
to
segregate,
to
test
and
to
continue
to
house
those
folks
to
keep
down
those
infections
rate.
The
infections
right,
along
with
staff,
also
concerned
about
that,
and,
as
you
all
know,
staffing
is
minimum.
Staffing
is
required
by
law
with
jail
standards,
and
so
that
all
became
a
huge
challenge
and
I'm
proud
to
say
our
jailer
certainly
rose
to
that
occasion.
G
Recruitment
and
retention
continues
to
be
a
problem
not
just
for
the
public
sector,
but
for
for
for
the
private
sector,
but
for
the
public
sector
as
well,
trying
to
compete
with
a
coal
version.
Lexington,
that's
offering
a
fifteen
dollar
starting
salary
and
a
fifteen
hundred
dollar
sign
on
bonus
and
paying
people
weekly.
It's
tough
for
for
counties.
We
have
no
one
to
push
those
prices
on
to
or
push
those
costs
onto.
G
We've
got
problems
across
the
board
with
recruitment
and
retention.
One
of
the
issues
that
we
are
coming
to
you
again
this
year
for
on
the
jail
question
is
the
jail
per
diem.
It
has
not
been
increased
since
2008.
It
remains
at
31.34
cents
a
day.
The
state
average
across
jails
in
the
state
of
kentucky
is
closer
to
45
a
day
doesn't
cover
the
actual
costs,
even
if
you
adjust
it
for
inflation
from
2008
you're
at
around
40
dollars
per
day,
so
the
jails
that
continue
to
struggle
are
in
in
need
of
that
increase
again.
G
There
was
money
in
the
budget
to
pursue
the
six
million
dollars
for
2021
and
5.9
million
in
fy
2022
to
defray
any
coveted
related
expenditures,
and
that
will
continue
to
be
pursued
as
we
work
with
the
legislature
to
see
that
through
to
fruition.
As
you
all
know,
arpa
is
not
the
panacea
of
answers
for
the
state.
G
Next,
we'll
move
on
to
transportation,
another
top
issue
for
us
for
the
last
four
years
and
truly,
if
you
look
back,
it's
been
an
issue
for
us,
since
you
all
set
the
floor
in
place
back
in
2015,
but
more
than
40
percent
of
county
roads
are
in
need
of
moderate
to
significant
repair,
and
a
quarter
of
our
members
said
that
more
than
60
percent
of
their
roads
are
in
need
of
moderate
to
significant
repair.
So
we've
got
a
yeoman's
job
in
front
of
us.
G
Just
on
the
maintenance
side,
properly
maintained
roads
are
vital
to
getting
goods
to
market
children,
to
school
people,
to
work
and,
of
course,
first
responders
to
emergency
calls.
As
you
all
know,
95
of
the
state
road
fund
is
supplied
by
four
revenue
streams,
including
the
motor
fuels
tax,
motor
vehicle
usage
tax
motor
vehicle
license,
and
course
weight.
G
G
While
the
overall
road
fund
has
seen
some
growth,
the
motor
fuels
tax
has
declined
from
its
high
in
2015.
When
this
body
passed
that
legislation
to
institute
a
floor
on
that
decrease,
you
already
had
a
cap
on
how
high
it
could
go,
no
higher
than
10
percent
and
you
put
in
a
cap
on
how
low
it
could
go
and
that
stopped
the
bleeding
for
sure.
So
we
were
very
grateful
for
that.
G
Crittenden
county
has
seen
its
road
aid
allotment
plunge
over
the
last
six
years,
and
they've
had
to
downgrade
many
chip
and
seal
roads,
which,
let's
admit
that
is
not
the
ideal
road
surface
back
down
to
gravel.
Due
to
these
decreases
in
funding
at
a
time
when
a
mile
of
asphalt
costs
them
75,
000
mason
county
in
the
meantime,
has
seen
its
asphalt
price
double
just
since
2015..
G
G
15
other
states
have
increased
their
road
funds
and
fees
in
just
the
last
six
years,
and
this
past
spring
kentucky
became
the
the
hole
in
the
middle
of
the
donut,
as
we
watched
missouri
also
vote
to
increase
their
investment,
but
representative
santoro's
bills
also
included
something
else
that
we've
heard
from
a
lot
of
you
all
and
and
our
members
electric
vehicles
that
use
the
road,
but
do
obviously
do
not
pay
into
the
road
fund
that
they
need
to
begin
contributing,
while
electric's
accounting
for
less
than
one
percent
of
cars
that
are
registered
in
kentucky
for
now,
and
this
will
only
generate
a
small
amount
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
based
on
last
year's
bill
numbers.
G
It
is
a
forward-looking
approach
for
such
a
small
but
growing
percentage
of
all
cars
in
the
road
today,
automakers
that
account
for
roughly
a
quarter
of
the
global
auto
sales
in
2019,
including
ford,
gm,
volvo
and
mercedes,
announced
earlier
this
month
that
they
will
all
work
toward
phasing
out
sales
of
gasoline
and
diesel-powered
vehicles
by
2040
worldwide
and
by
2035
in
the
leading
markets
around
the
world.
So
the
time
for
kentucky
to
address
this
is
now
30
states,
including
all
of
our
neighbors,
have
already
instituted
an
electric
vehicle
fee.
G
G
In
the
end,
we
saw
that
it
saved
time
it
saved
money
and
it
was
a
safer
way
to
conduct
these
arraignments
that
are
all
pre-trial,
but
it
increased
pressure
on
jails
to
provide
the
technology,
the
space
for
for
private
attorney
client
conversations
and
for
those
in
attendance
in
the
courtroom,
able
to
see
and
hear
everything
that
is
happening
at
the
jail.
G
There
was
an
appropriation
of
14
million
a
little
over
14
million,
thanks
to
you
all
for
the
court
operations
administration
budget
to
provide
these
technology
upgrades
for
virtual
hearings,
equipment
between
the
county
jails
and
the
courts.
So
we're
currently
working.
It's
a
large
stakeholder
group
that
we're
working
with
to
implement
that
and
to
see
how
quickly
we
can
get
this
implemented
and
up
and
running
throughout
the
court
system
in
the
process
of
working
with
stakeholders.
G
We
hope
to
have
something
for
this
coming
session.
Another
issue
that
continues
to
plague
our
state
at
every
level
is
substance,
use
and
mental
health
issues.
Hopefully,
we
can
all
work
together
to
improve
outcomes
for
inmates
in
jail
and
after
exiting
our
jails,
reducing
that
revolving
door
of
recidivism,
as
well
as
the
cost
to
taxpayers
at
the
county
and
state
level.
As
we
all
know,
you
know
better
than
us.
F
Tag
somewhere
tag
team
today,
a
little
bit
and
the
final
topic
on
our
list
of
our
top
five
and
there's
a
lot
buried
within
each
of
those
is
obviously
as
significant
as
any
portion
of
what
we've
talked
about
so
far
and
it's
revenue
and
budget
issues.
F
As
you
all
know,
the
state
budget
counties
at
every
level
depend
on
a
lot
in
the
state
budget.
Whether
it's
things
we've
already
mentioned
are
things
that
we
haven't
even
begun
to
mention
between
our
county
attorney's
offices,
our
pvas,
our
our
sheriff's
offices,
the
the
reimbursement
for
court
security
officers.
That's
an
important
ask
that
we'll
be
making
this
year
supporting
our
sheriffs
in
that
in
that
ask
so
again
just
maintaining
those
things
in
the
budget
that
are
so
critical
to
counties
without
losing
anything.
F
There
is
important
and
that
will
be
a
focus
for
us
another
area,
we're
focusing
on
and
gets
a
little
touchy
at
times
to
talk
about
this,
but
the
the
rising
costs
of
county
audits.
It's
a
it's
kind
of
a
hidden
cost
that
ends
up
affecting
some
counties
more
than
others
and
and
we're
looking
at
some
ways
or
to
see
if
there
are
ways
to
still
maintain
that
full
transparency
and
and
obviously
counties
aren't,
aren't
at
all
opposed
to
that
and
the
openness
of
an
audit.
F
But
maybe
a
more
efficient
way
of
doing
that.
And
I
know
there
have
been
some
discussions
in
years
past
about
agreed-upon
procedures
and
other
kinds
of
things
and
we're
just
having
conversations
about
how
to
do
that.
Maybe
expanding
a
more
competitive,
market-based
solution
to
that
model
as
a
requirement,
rather
than
as
an
option
and
so
again
still
ensuring
complete
oversight
and
compliance.
So
budget
discussions
are
are
critical
to
us.
F
The
one
thing-
and
I
was
here
last
month
with
my
counterpart
from
the
league
of
cities,
testifying
on
behalf
of
the
constitutional
amendment
that
chairman
meredith,
has
has
really
championed
and
the
reality.
I
won't
restate
that,
because
most
of
you
were
here
and
heard
that
conversation,
but
if
we
want
to
really
have
a
conversation
about
tax
reform
about
different
ways
to
raise
revenue
at
the
local
level
for
counties
to
be
able
to
do
something
different
than
than
we
currently
do
it.
F
It
just
simply
requires
a
change
to
our
constitution,
and
so
we'll
continue
to
advocate
for
that,
because,
in
the
absence
of
that,
a
lot
of
the
other
things
that
we
talk
about
on
tax
reform
at
the
county
level-
we're
really
just
we're
just
hamstrung.
We
can't
do
them
even
if
we
wanted,
and
so
we'll
continue
working
on
that
issue
and
and
advocating
for
more
county
options
in
the
future.
With
that,
I
think
we've
done
a
pretty
good
job
of
maintaining
our
commitment
to
staying
brief
and
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
you,
chairman.
A
Meals,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
presentation,
brief
presentation.
We've
got
a
few
questions
to
follow.
I'm
sure
a
few
more
trickle
in
here
representative
miller,
has
a
question
he's
first
on.
F
Keeping
it
brief,
let
me
ask
on
per
diems
what
what
is
the
federal
per
diem
that
you're
receiving
now
for
federal
prisoners
in
county
jails,.
G
B
Hi,
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
It's
always
good
to
hear
from
you
in
regards
to
the
video
arraignment.
Have
you
had
discussions
with
the
justice
cabinet
and
could
you
expand
on
that
just
a
little
bit.
G
There
the
stakeholder
group
is
large,
as
you
can
imagine
time.
You
talk
about
anything
that
has
a
whiff
of
criminal
and
then
justice
and
then
reform
in
the
back
I
mean
there's
every
stakeholder
group
is
represented,
we've
had
we've
had
one
meeting
by
zoom,
I'd
like
to
see
another
one,
maybe
have
it
in
person.
It's
I
just
feel
like
you
know
you
get
a
lot
more
out
of
that,
and
people
feel
free
to
talk
on
that.
So
we've
got
aoc.
B
F
F
Right
right,
I
don't
think
there
was
a
requirement
for
a
commission
or
committee
that
counties
were
involved
in,
but
I
do
know
a
lot
of
the
counties
are
already
having
conversations.
We've
talked
with
the
attorney
general's
office
and
I
think
a
lot
of
counties.
I
know
representative
frazier,
I
know
judge
taylor,
we've
talked
quite
a
bit.
He
was
very
closely
involved
in
that,
as
was
judge
moore
about
finding
some
ways
to
to
do
some
collaborative
work.
You
know
in
some
of
these
counties.
F
I
know
that
amount
of
money,
while
significant
as
a
whole,
might
not
be
a
lot
for
a
smaller
county,
a
particular
county,
so
we're
encouraging
counties
to
to
to
work
together
to
look
at
some
kind
of
regional
or
multi-county
solution
and
work
with
the
attorney
general's
office.
So
we've
had
conversations
with
the
ag's
office
about
some
of
that,
but
the
proactive.
G
No,
no,
we
haven't
as
an
organization,
but
there
are
there's
plenty
of
discussion.
We
we've
had
several
webinars
where
we're
trying
to
train
our
folks
on
what
the
limitations
are.
That
is
gonna,
as
you
know,
is
gonna,
be
restricted
funding
what
you
can
use
those
funds
on,
and
so
there
they've
several
counties
have
already
been
in
conversations.
A
lot
of
them
already
have
a
city
county
or
a
regional
approach
to
trying
to
tackle
this
issue.
But
but
we
don't
have
a
caico
committee
per
se.
C
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
ev
tax
because
they
don't
pay
any
taxes
to
use
the
roads
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
raising
the
gas
tax
because
we
need
more
funding.
Although
the
gas
tax
has
gone
up
with
the
increase
in
gas,
has
there
been
any
talk
of
not
separating
that
and
make
it
equal
and
have
a
usage
tax,
doing
away
with
gas
tax
and
not
call
it
an
ev
tax,
just
say
a
usage
tax
either
through
registration
or
whatever.
F
We
have
looked
at
a
lot
of
other
state
models
centronimus
and
there
are
multiple
different
ways
that
other
states
maybe
generate
revenue
for
their
transportation
funding.
I
mean,
I
think,
from
the
county
perspective
at
the
end
of
the
day-
and
I
would
say
this
is
probably
true
for
the
state
as
well.
The
mechanism
or
methodology
is
maybe
not
as
important
as
the
bottom
line.
I
mean
the
actual
ability
to
have
enough
funds
to
take
care
of
of
our
roads
and
bridges.
F
So
any
of
those
things
we
would
certainly
be
open
to
you're
right
I
mean
the
the
as
shelly
mentioned
earlier.
I
think
that
there
are
projections
that
as
many
as
30
of
the
cars
that
will
be
sold
new
by
2030
or
excuse
me,
yeah
by
2030
that
up
to
30
of
the
vehicles
sold
will
be
electric
and
so
what?
Whatever
we
do?
We
really
can't
wait
much
longer
to
start
thinking
about
an
alternative
funding
source
for
transportation.
F
I
mean
I
fully
believe
that
there
will
be
a
point
that
we'll
look
back
at
gas
tax
kind
of
like
we
do
landline
9-1-1
fees
today
you
know
I
I
I
mean
it's,
it's
not
something
I'm
particularly
happy
about,
or
I
don't
know
that
I
personally
embrace
it
all
yet,
but
I
think
it's
political
or
it's.
F
It
is
reality,
not
political
reality,
but
that
we're
going
to
be
moving
to
that
as
a
as
a
country,
and
so,
as
that
happens,
we're
forced
to
rethink
the
model,
I
think
not
not
only
kentucky,
but
every
everybody,
the
state
I
mean
other
states
and
the
federal
government.
You
know
you've
seen
that
the
federal
government's
not
interested
really
in
pursuing
even
a
gas
tax
as
a
policy
at
the
federal
level,
because
they're
so
focused
on
shifting
the
model
away
from
fossil
fuels.
F
F
C
Thank
mr
chairman,
thank
you
all
for
your
presentation
appreciate
and
again,
as
always,
I
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
you
know
I
keep
these
and
use
them
throughout
session
when,
when
you
all
put
these
kinds
of
handouts
for
us
together
a
couple
of
quick
questions.
C
Obviously
the
a
lot
of
the
topics
this
year
is
having
to
do
with
taxes,
and
you
know
where
we
shift
those-
and
I
know,
there's
been
rumblings
about
a
kind
of
a
tax
reform
package,
and
so
I've
heard
that
at
least
from
the
house
and
a
lot
of
house
members
probably
will
have
more
information
than
I
could
possibly
have
about
that
with
all
that
needs
to
start.
But
I
also
judge
chris
pace
who
passed
away
this
past.
C
Just
my
gosh
a
few
weeks
ago,
good
friend
of
mine,
I've
had
a
lot
of
discussions
about
that
and
he
had
expressed
a
lot
of
interest
in
having
a
bit
more
control
at
the
county
level
in
terms
of
taxation,
from
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
our
organizations
that
can
raise
taxes
locally,
and
he
had
requested
that
we
take
action
this
year
to
give
more
authority
back
to
our
county
officials.
Our
judge
executives
for
at
least
approval
of
some
of
those
tax
rates.
We've
done
some
work
on
that
in
the
last
few
years.
C
I
was
hoping
you
could
comment
on
that,
if
that's
the
will
of
caico,
if
that's
what
we've
heard
from
other
judge
executives
and
obviously
in
chris's
memory,
I
know
chairman
mills-
and
I
have
talked
about
that
this
past
summer,
but
it
becomes
that
much
more
poignant
now
for
me.
So
I
was
hoping
you
could
comment
on
that.
F
Well,
senator
alvarado
and
we
absolutely
supported
senate
bill
5
that
you
helped
shepherd
through,
and
I
remember
a
conversation
that
both
you
and
leader
thayer
and
I
and
a
few
of
our
county
officials
had
about
this
very
topic,
and
I
do
think
that
there's
general
support
and
interest
on
the
part
of
county
fiscal
courts
to
have
more
oversight
over
entities
that
can
levy
taxes,
and
I
want
for
fear
of
saying
something
that
somebody
later
will
say.
Well,
you
kind
of
got
out
there
on
the
limb
a
little
bit
there.
F
You
know
some
of
those
organizations
and
you
know-
and
they
do
great
work-
I
mean
the
the
whole
purpose
of
those
taxing
districts
is
most
of
you
all
who
who
studied
this
issue
know
was
because
there
was
a
time
when,
when
counties
as
their
total
ad
valorem
tax
rate
was
was
approaching
the
max,
and
so
they
they
broke
off
these
special
districts
and
allow
them
to
have
a
special
taxing
authority
to
provide
certain
services
that
used
to
be
completely
funded
out
of
the
county
general
fund.
F
So
I
mean
there's
true
value
in
having
that
option
out
there
in
in
counties,
but
in
some
cases
again
I
don't
want
to
keep
talking
about
my
former
president,
but
I've
heard
from
him
quite
a
bit
over
the
last
year.
Representative
frazier-
and
I
understand
you
know
the
issues
I
mean
in
in
madison
county,
for
example,
the
the
county
library
has
has
more
in
reserves
than
the
county.
F
So
again,
in
those
cases
I
do
think
there's
probably
interest
on
the
part
of
county
officials,
because
ultimately,
all
those
taxes
were
levied
on
the
same
group
of
taxpayers
and-
and
I
know
that
one
of
the
pieces
of
legislation
we've
advocated
before
the
center
shickel-
has
brought
forth
a
few
times
and
I
think
todd-
and
I
certainly
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
judges
as
a
group,
but
I
think
continue
support
for
even
just
having
the
authority
to
appoint
members
of
certain
boards.
F
In
some
cases,
that's
restricted
in
the
methodology
for
how
those
names
get
to
the
county
judge
or
the
fiscal
court
is
through
a
selective
way.
You
know,
I
think,
in
some
cases,
if
a
county
judge
could
could
appoint
members
to
those
boards
without
restriction,
that
you
might
place
people
on
those
boards
that
have
a
different
view
or
maybe
a
view-
that's
a
little
more
representative
of
the
elected
body
in
the
county.
So
long
answer,
but
I
think
yes,
there
would
be
support
for
that.
F
We
polled
our
members
three
years
ago
at
our
general
session
or
our
annual
conference
and
the
support
for
for
just
senate
bill
five.
The
the
spirit
of
that
bill
was
overwhelming,
and
so
I
think
advancing
that
conversation
will
be
welcomed
by
county
officials.
C
And
I
would
welcome
input
from
you
all,
I
think,
there's
again
again:
sharon
mills
I've
talked
about
that
as
far
as
putting
something
together.
So
I'm
sure
we'll
have
some
conversations
on
that
as
things
go
forward
in
the
next
few
weeks.
Another
topic,
I
might
approach.
I
know
the
county
clerks-
are
part
of
the
organization
for
caico.
Obviously,
we've
got
a
letter
from
them,
not
that
long
ago,
about
redistricting
in
our
state
urging
for
that
to
be
done
with
urgency
and
and
be
done
as
quickly
as
possible.
C
I
know
we've
got
very
few
weeks
before
the
beginning
of
the
year
before
the
general
session
starts
hoping.
You
could
comment
on
the
importance
of
that
and
getting
that
accomplished
how
important
that
is
for
our
local
officials
to
get
that
done
as
quickly
as
possible.
F
Well,
certainly,
without
being
political
in
that,
yes,
I
mean
absolutely,
it
would
be
beneficial
to
all
of
us
to
have
redistricting
of
the
legislative
seats
accomplished
sooner
than
later,
obviously,
for
county
clerks,
drawing
precinct
boundaries
and
all
of
that
the
sooner
the
better-
and
you
know
next
year's
a
busy
election
year
with
county
all
the
county
offices
on
the
ballot
as
well
as
legislative
races.
And
so
you
know
our
county
clerks
do
a
fantastic
job.
I
really
think
kentucky
county
clerks
really
did
shine.
F
You
know
during
the
last
year
and
a
half
and
be
able
to
demonstrate
they
could
do
elections
in
the
most
challenging
of
times,
and
so
they
can
do
it.
They
can.
They
can
work
under
pressure
pretty
well,
but
the
sooner
that
redistricting
is
done.
I
can
assure
you
county
clerks
would
be
very
happy
to
see
that
sooner
than
later,.
C
Thank
you
one
more
question.
If
I
could,
mr
chairman,
another
topic
that
was
from
a
recent
judicial
ruling
and
it's
kind
of
it
may
be
something
we
need
to
talk
offline
after
from
the
hearing,
but
a
judicial
ruling
recently
regarding
individuals,
there's
a
two
oaths
kind
of
rule
that
we
know
that's
in
statute
by
people
that
can't
have
two
oaths
serving
in
dual
capacities
in
government,
and
they
had
a
recent
ruling
over
an
individual
that
had
was
a
kind
of
a
city
law
enforcement
officer.
C
That
also
is
serving
as
a
magistrate
in
the
county
level,
and
so
there
was
a
concern
of
a
conflict
that
went
before
the
courts.
The
court
said
no,
that
person's
an
employee
and
it's
permitted
and
I've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
with
a
lot
of
people
about
this
proposed
a
bill
that
would
disallow
that
saying,
if
you're
employed
by,
let's
say
a
city
commission,
that
you
cannot
serve
on
county
government
and
vice
versa.
C
If
you
were
employed
in
county
government,
you
couldn't
surround
the
city
commission
because
of
the
conflict
of
interest,
that's
inherent
there
and
I've
talked
to
former
la
you
know:
local
officials,
people
that
have
served
in
that
who've
agreed
with.
C
That
was
wondering
if
you've
had,
I
mean
it's
kind
of
by
maybe
off
topic,
but
something
that
maybe
I
don't
know
if
you've
had
a
chance
to
even
review
that
bill
that
I
filed
last
year
regarding
that
to
disallow
that,
just
to
make
sure
that
there
was
no
conflict
on
that
issue,
wasn't
sure
if
you
had
any
opinions
on
something
along
those
lines.
G
F
We
that
hasn't
think
we've
heard
much
about
it.
I
mean
I
think,
from
our
pretty
isolated
when
those
things
might
happen,
but
certainly
would
be
interested
in
understanding
a
little
bit
more
about
the
legal
thought
behind
that.
There
are
incompatible
duty
rules
today
that
apply
that
are
pretty
black
and
white
that
we
are
aware
of
that.
F
You
can't
you
can't
be
on
the
school
board
and
also
a
magistrate
or
you
can't
maybe
you
know,
serve
on
an
extension,
taxing
district
and
b,
the
county
judge,
or
what
have
you
so
I
I'd
be
interested
in
knowing
more
about
that.
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that.
That's
an
issue.
C
A
recent
court
ruling
has
prompted
it
because
we
thought
it
was
kind
of
clear
and
then,
when
the
court
said,
oh
no,
if
you're
employed-
and
I
thought
well
so-
can
a
judge
executive
then
hire
city
commissioners
as
personal
secretaries
and
then
have
exert
influence
or
can
a
mayor
hire
magistrates
or
county
commissioners
as
personal
secretaries
or
employees
of
the
city,
and
it
becomes
a
conflict.
But
the
way
it
was
worded
by
the
courts
created
a
huge
loophole
which
I'm
interested
in
closing,
and
so
I
was.
I
welcome
that
feedback
I'll.
E
Yes,
thank
you
appreciate
it.
I
will
be
quick.
Two
quick
things.
One
one
issue
that
I've
encountered
with
a
fire
district
is
that
they're
not
eligible
for
arpa
funds,
and
you
know
you
talked
about
special
districts
so
that
just
kind
of
chalked
my
memory.
This
may
not
be
a
county
related
issue,
but
you
know
independent
districts
aren't
getting
aren't
eligible
for
that
money,
but
if
a
fire
district
or
is
a
fire
department,
is
run
entirely
by
a
city,
there's
money
that
gets
sent
to
them
that
they
can
then
use
for
that
fire
district.
E
So
something
just
for
anybody
here
on
a
r
as
well
as
any
members
of
leadership
that
might
want
to
keep
that
in
mind.
Secondly,
I
had
a
with
regard
to
the
electric
vehicles.
I
had
a
task
force
bill
for
a
few
years
to
look
at
charging
people
by
the
amount
of
miles
they
drive
rather
than
than
the
amount
of
gas
they
purchase
and
that
doesn't
seem
to
have
caught
fire
quite
yet
here
in
frankfurt.
But
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
it's
going
to
happen
soon.
E
One
day,
the
question
is:
will
kentucky
be
at
the
forefront
or
will
we
be
at
the
end
like
we
so
often
are,
and
given
that
we
have
electric
batteries
that
are
going
to
be
made
in
the
state,
maybe
we
ought
to
be
more
to
the
forefront
of
that.
So
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
You're
welcome.
Thank
you.
I
believe
we've
exhausted
all
of
our
questions
here
today.
This
is
our
last
committee
meeting
and
before
I
say
this,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
keiko
for
making
a
presentation
and
you're
a
valuable
asset
to
all
of
us
as
far
as
communicating
needs
and
wants
from
the
counties,
and
we,
our
offices
are
open
to
you
to
continue
the
relationship.
It's
important.
It
doesn't
always
mean
we
agree
with
everything,
but
that's
part
of
the
process.
A
So
thank
you
so
much
for
coming
today
and
repre
representing
the
counties.
This
is
our
last
meeting
of
the
local
government
committee
unless
something
else
pops
up
that
we're
not
aware
of
one
thing
I
want
to
quickly
do
is
recognize.
We
have
four
individuals
on
our
committee
that
have
worked
behind
the
scenes
hard
during
the
interim
and
that's
our
staff,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
shown
some
appreciation
day
mark
mitchell,
christopher
djakovic,
joe
posinski
lee
and
cheryl
walters,
so
they
got.
A
I
got
two
names
there
that
tripped
me
up,
but
they
are
very
valuable
employees
lrc
and
we
want
to
say
thank
you
for
your
work.