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Here
all
right,
thank
you.
We
have
a
quorum,
we
do
have
a
quorum
before
we
do
anything
else.
We
need
to
go
ahead
and
have
a
motion.
Approval
minutes
to
the
last
meeting
got
a
motion
kind
of
a
second
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed,
nay
men's,
approved.
Okay.
Before
we
proceed
I
understand,
we
have
some
guests
in
the
crowd.
Representative.
Hale
has
some
we've
created.
Please
please
proceed.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
would
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
welcome
some
some
guests
today
for
my
district,
and
not
only
from
my
district
but
from
my
local
County
I
have
two
teachers
from
the
high
school
here
with
me
today:
Miss
Jacqueline
Parsons
and
Miss
Jeremy
McNabb,
two
senior
students,
Jesse
Stidham
and
Zachary
Perkins.
Could
you
guys
just
stand
up
back
there
and
let's
make
them
welcome
from
over
in
Frenchburg
this
morning?
C
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I
have
some
wonderful
guests
here
today
from
Greene
County,
High
School
and
with
the
data
scene
program
at
father,
Greene
County
students
and
teachers
and
faculty
can
stand
up
and
please
everybody
make
them
feel
welcome.
Thank
you.
All
for
attending
today
appreciate
it.
A
Great
to
have
you
guys
here,
it's
always
good,
to
see
how
committees
work
and
how
your
government
works.
So
at
this
point
in
time,
we'll
go
ahead
and
proceed
with
the
meeting.
First,
we
have
a
Broadband
device,
Xs
and
Appalachia
challenges
and
opportunities.
Please
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
peacefully
seed.
E
Will
you
turn
your
mic
on?
Yes,
sir?
It's
my
first
time
back
since
covet.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you,
chairman
Pratt
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
Brian
gupton
I'm,
with
data
seam
presenting
along
with
me
today,
is
Curtis
Hansen
he's
the
Broadband
program
manager
from
the
Appalachian
Regional
Commission,
he's
on
the
screen
with
us
today
and
then
also
superintendent,
Damian,
Johnson,
Jenkins,
Independent
Schools.
E
Yes
and
I
think
for
the
members
of
the
committee.
You
all
should
have
received
an
overall
article
on
the
data
scene
program
as
well
as
a
service
region
map
in
your
packet.
I
also
wanted
to
let
the
members
of
the
committee
be
aware
that
we
do
have
folks
here
today
visiting
from
Williamsburg
Corbin,
Independent,
Schools,
Lawrence,
County,
Whitley,
County,
Martin
and
Jenkins
and
and
students
from
Jenkins
independent
as
well.
E
We
will
start
this
presentation
with
Mr
Curtis
Hansen
from
The
Arc
to
kind
of
set
the
stage
for
the
program
we'll
be
talking
about
today.
Curtis
go
ahead.
F
Sorry,
my
audio
cut
out,
can
you
all
hear
me
get
a
thumbs
up
I'm,
getting
a
nod?
Okay!
Well,
thanks.
Thanks
for
having
me
thank
you
for
the
intro
Brian.
As
Brian
mentioned,
my
name
is
Curtis
Hansen
I
run
the
Broadband
program
at
the
Appalachian
Regional
Commission
and
I
was
asked
to
provide
an
update
on
broadband
access,
both
in
terms
of
subscriptions
and
devices
in
the
region
and
as
they
relate
to
other
parts
of
Kentucky
other
parts
of
the
Appalachian
region
and
the
rest
of
the
country.
F
So
to
start
out
with
I
wanted
to
share
with
everyone
arc's
goal
for
Broadband.
This
was
just
updated
last
year,
and
so
it
brings
some
of
the
learnings
that
we,
as
a
country
benefited
from
during
the
pandemic,
around
the
importance
of
broadband
and
for
every
home
and
every
Appalachian
to
have
access
to
Quality
and
affordable
Broadband
services.
F
This
goal
informs
a
lot
of
our
work
and
what
we
do
and
in
in
trying
to
understand
how
we
were
doing
on
broadband
access.
Last
year
earlier
this
year,
I
worked
with
our
research
team
to
conduct
an
analysis
and
that
an
analysis
used
a
number
of
different
data
sets,
but
we
were
mainly
looking
at
those
two
main
access
metrics
that
I
talked
about,
and
here
are
the
stats
there's
going
to
be.
F
You
know,
there's
a
lot
going
on
here:
I,
don't
know
how
big
those
screens
are
so
I'll
try
to
narrate
as
best
I
can.
So.
This
uses
American
Community
survey,
data,
which
is
published
by
the
Census
Bureau
and
I,
looked
with
the
research
team
at
the
Appalachian
portion
of
the
13
Appalachian
States
and
compared
it
to
the
Nationwide
average
and
the
average
for
non-appalachian
Kentucky.
So
you
can
see
that
the
Nationwide
average
for
homes
that
have
a
Broadband
subscription
and
they
Define
that
as
high-speed
internet
access,
it's
around
85
percent
or
not
Appalachian
Kentucky.
F
That's
around
84,
pretty
good,
pretty
close
to
the
national
average,
but
for
Appalachian
Kentucky,
it's
down
at
74,
which
is
fairly
fairly
low,
fairly
below
average,
even
compared
to
the
rest
of
Appalachia,
which
is
right
at
80
percent.
F
When
you
look
at
devices
Kentucky
Appalachian
Kentucky
is
actually
in
last
place
for
the
region
well
below
the
national
average
and
there's
a
number
of
different
factors
around
why
this
is
the
case,
but
I
wanted
to
start
with.
This
is
the
state
of
how
things
are
I
brought
some
maps
because
people
like
looking
at
Maps
so
on
the
left.
This
is
that
same
data
at
the
county
level,
I
included
the
legend
there
it's
kind
of
hard
to
read.
F
Maybe
the
darker,
the
county,
the
more
homes
have
Broadband
the
lighter
the
county,
the
fewer
homes
have
broadband
and
on
the
right,
this
is
arc's
economic
status
map,
and
this
looks
at
three
different
factors
published
by
the
Department
of
Labor,
the
Census
Bureau
and
the
Department
of
Commerce
that
try
to
define
the
level
of
economic
distress
that
a
county
is
under.
You
know,
I
didn't
do
the
math
here,
but
I
think
you
can
visually.
Do
the
comparison
between
the
counties
that
are
red
or,
or
you
know,
light
red.
F
These
counties
that
have
more
economic
distress
in
those
counties
that
are
lacking
Broadband
subscription.
F
F
When
you
look
at
I
guess
the
correlation
for
Broadband
access.
This
was
a
region-wide
comparison
that
we
did
this
red
bar
is
that
same
data.
We
just
looked
at
by
economic
distress,
so
distress
these
are
those
red
counties
attainment.
These
are
the
blue
counties.
Definitely
you
see
a
decrease
in
Broadband
access
based
on
how
how
much
distress
is
in
an
area.
But
then
we
also
looked
at
the
this
data
from
a
private
speed
testing
entity.
This
was
Microsoft.
They
published
this.
F
This
is
open
data,
but
they
did
a
bunch
of
anonymous
speed
tests
on
people's
computers
across
the
country
and
did
an
analysis
and
when
you
use
that
data,
so
this
is
measuring
speeds
in
people's
homes.
Those
areas
of
more
economic
distress
have
a
much
bigger
disparity
to
the
areas
that
are,
you
know
at
attainment
and
I
think
the
difference
there
can
be
due
to
a
number
of
different
factors
it
can
be
due
to
the
quality
of
the
networks
in
those
areas
could
be
due
to
portability
gaps.
F
F
Some
good
news
when
you
look
at
affordability,
Appalachian
Kentucky
leads
the
rest
of
the
Appalachian
region
in
participation
in
the
fcc's,
affordable
connectivity
program.
We
have
some
data
on
the
arc
website
about
a
tour
that
we
recently
did
trying
to
help
raise
awareness,
I
continued
to
point
to
Kentucky
as
an
example
of
a
community
that
is
that
is
participating
in
this
program
and
clearly
the
word
has
gotten
out
that
there's
this
help
for
people
in
low-income
situations
to
gain
affordable
access
to
broadband.
F
Other
good
news
is
that
I,
just
this
week
met
Megan
sandbox
and
she
is
very
exciting
to
to
talk
to
because
she
has
handed
such
a
large
opportunity
to
make
an
impact
in
helping
repair
some
of
these
disparities
and
help
bring
Broadband
access
up
in
Eastern
Kentucky
I'm
going
to
leave
my
email
here.
F
You
know
I'm
always
happy
to
take
an
email
from
anyone
in
the
region
who
wants
to
talk
more
about
Appalachian
Broadband,
but
I
will
put
this
back
up
to
the
device
slide
for
the
data
stream
folks
request
and
turn
my
time
back
to
Davis.
E
Thanks
Curtis,
as
you
can
see,
significant
challenges
exist
and
are
part
of
the
arc's
13
State
service
area.
Among
other
factors,
this
lack
of
broadband
and
device
access
impede
positive
economic
outcomes
for
Eastern
Kentucky.
E
This
is
a
two-year
competency-based
program
providing
young
kentuckians
industry,
standard
training
and
certification
normally
afforded
to
adults,
including
coursework,
mentorship
on
job
training
required
by
The
Dol
data
seam
has
a
nearly
20-year
history,
providing
industry,
standard,
Technical,
Training
and
certification
for
technology
professionals
as
a
part
of
our
education
and
Workforce
Development
initiative.
It's
currently
in
48
Kentucky
districts
comprising
over
200
000
students.
This
training
has
allowed
individuals
to
better
support
technology
for
the
largest
employer
in
most
Kentucky
counties,
Public
Schools.
E
E
We
don't
always
think
about
schools,
undertaking
multi-million
dollar
I.T
projects,
networking
Storage
security
systems
and
cameras,
climate
controls,
user
experience.
These
provide
relevant
project-based
instruction
applicable
for
many
employers,
Community
banking,
Health,
Care
state
and
local
government,
and
obviously
education.
E
E
E
Those
are
the
types
of
outcomes
occurring
with
this
program
for
many
of
The
Apprentice
candidates.
You
see
this
is
their
first
job.
Not
only
do
they
provide
value
to
the
K-12
employer
Partners,
they
are
being
provided
value
as
well.
Students
have
worked
through
the
first
two
phases
of
the
registered
apprenticeship
working,
nearly
40
percent,
more
than
required
earning
more
money
becoming
more
competent
as
they
work
meeting
important
I.T
Workforce
demands
for
the
region.
It's
a
good
partnership.
E
We
are
very
appreciative
to
the
arc
for
its
funding.
They
helped
scale
a
self-funded
two-county
pilot
to
as
many
as
25
Eastern
Kentucky
districts
data
seems
Grant
competed
against
176
others
from
13
states
earning
the
maximum
amount
Additionally.
The
Department
of
Labor
awarded
us
last
month
over
1.4
million
dollars
to
similarly
expand
RIT
registered
apprenticeship.
This
means
that
two
federal
agencies
have
independently
reviewed
and
scored
data
seams
program
finding
it
provides
a
good
return
on
investment
collectively.
These
grants
will
provide
over
two
million
dollars
worth
of
advanced
Computing
to
participating
schools.
E
This
includes
devices
to
the
school
itself,
as
well
as
laptops
to
the
participating
apprentices
when
they
graduate
the
program.
These
laptops
are
Theirs
to
take
to
college
or
into
the
workforce.
The
intent
is
to
address
Eastern,
Kentucky's
digital
divide
at
all
levels
and
create
sustainable
pipelines
of
students
into
the
information
technology.
Workforce
I'd
like
to
introduce
superintendent,
Damian,
Johnson,
Jenkins,
Independent
Schools.
To
briefly
share
on
these
outcomes.
The
opportunities
have
provided.
G
Good
afternoon
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
today,
my
name
is
Damian
Johnson
and
I.
Am
the
superintendent
of
Jenkins
independent
schools
located
in
Letcher
County
Jenkins
is
a
small
Independent
School
District,
consisting
of
two
buildings,
a
pre-k
through
fifth
grade
elementary
school
and
a
sixth
through
12th
grade
middle
high
school
I
oversee
approximately
500
students
and
80
staff.
Our
elementary
building
was
one
of
the
ones
damaged
during
the
July
floods.
G
Fortunately,
we
were
able
to
recover
to
the
point
where
we
can
make
use
of
our
building
and
are
using
this
as
an
opportunity
to
build
back.
Better
Jenkins
holds
a
special
place
in
my
heart,
because
it's
my
home,
my
mother,
was
a
Jenkins
graduate
I
was
the
1993
valedictorian
of
Jenkins,
my
son
graduated
last
year
as
valedictorian
and
my
oldest
daughter
will
be
the
top
student
in
this
year's
graduating
class.
G
My
wife
and
I
also
have
a
five-year-old
daughter
that
will
begin
school
at
Jenkins
next
year,
so
I
have
a
personal
vested
interest
in
ensuring
that
Jenkins
schools
is
the
best
that
they
can
be.
I've
spent
most
of
my
professional
career
serving
Jenkins
schools.
For
becoming
superintendent,
I
was
a
director
of
technology
for
16
years
because
of
our
District's
small
size.
I
spent
the
majority
of
that
time
as
a
department
of
one,
with
wide-ranging
responsibilities,
consisting
of
everything
for
managing
state
and
federal
funding
to
end
user
technical
support
and
staff.
Training.
G
Jenkins
is
one
of
those
red
areas
on
the
map
by
Nature.
Schools
have
to
pick
up
the
slack
where
other
organizations
don't
always
exist
to
do
to
do
so.
I've
always
looked
for
innovative
ways
to
provide
our
students
with
access
opportunities
and
experiences
more
readily
available
to
students
living
in
more
affluent
areas.
No
other
partnership
has
had
a
more
profound
impact
on
our
district
than
that.
A
seam
data
scene
programs
provide
my
district
access
to
training
devices
and
support
I
could
not
otherwise
afford
to
provide.
G
Since
2006
data,
seam
has
provided
our
district
with
406
high
quality
workstations.
We
anticipate
earning
80
additional
devices
through
our
partnership
and
data
scenes
registered
apprenticeship
program.
Our
partnership
with
the
data
seam
has
not
only
allowed
us
to
quadruple
our
local
investment,
but
frees
up
important
funding
for
other
educational
Technologies.
Having
a
direct
impact
on
student
learning
because
of
data
scene,
Jenkins
schools
are
able
to
provide
our
students
with
devices
on
a
two
to
one
ratio
allowing
our
students
to
have
a
device
both
at
school
and
at
home.
G
Our
partnership
has
helped
us
to
bridge
the
digital
divide
that
we're
talking
about
today.
That
same
has
helped
us
to
improve
our
local
Workforce
through
the
better
use
of
technology
in
the
classroom,
through
staff
training
and
certifications.
This
benefits
instruction
across
all
disciplines,
I
personally,
have
earned
21
industry
standard
technical
certifications
through
data
seam
and
am
proud
to
be
a
part
of
the
largest
cohort
of
Apple
system
engineers
in
the
United
States
right
here
in
Kentucky.
G
G
The
it
registered
apprenticeship
is
allowing
us
to
develop
homegrown
Talent,
where
it
did
not
exist
before
and
provide
meaningful
work
and
instruction
in
partnership
with
data
seam
and
the
Appalachian
Regional
Commission.
It
has
provided
our
district
with
additional
staff
in
the
form
of
apprentices
to
support
a
rich
technology
implementation.
In
addition,
it
has
opened
the
doorway
of
opportunities
for
our
apprentices
as
they
develop
skills
and
acquire
certifications
that
make
them
more
employable
immediately
upon
graduation.
G
E
Lastly,
what's
our
grade
sorry,
lastly,
we're
thankful
to
you
all
the
members
of
the
2022
Kentucky
General
Assembly,
who
continue
funding
data
seams
education
and
Workforce
Development
model
we're
providing
Advanced
Computing
to
schools
as
part
of
Kentucky
conducting
Kentucky,
cancer-based
research
and
Innovation.
It's
allowed
the
partnership
to
be
more
competitive
for
the
grants
that
we've
talked
about
today,
bringing
them
home
to
Kentucky.
E
Not
only
will
that
appropriation
serve
the
Eastern
Kentucky
counties
we've
talked
about
today,
but
also
potentially
expand
to
the
23
other
counties
that
you
see
on
the
map
in
your
packet
and
potential
expansion
to
non-program
schools
two
generations
ago.
This
is
what
my
father
carried
a
thousand
feet
underground
every
day
to
work.
E
H
Mr
Johnson
I
want
to
commend
you
on
your
leadership
skills
and
your
school
in
Jenkins
as
a
retired
vocational
rehab,
counselor
I
covered
Letcher
County
for
21
years
and
I
knew
when
one
of
the
Jenkins
Independent
School,
System
kids
came
through
the
door
that
they
were
going
to
be
a
success
for
me
as
well
as
for
themselves.
So
I
want
you
to
just
wanted
to
commend
you
on
your
school
system
and
I
know
that
you
carry
a
lot,
a
big
load
that
you
wear
many
hats
down
there.
I
Thank
you.
You
have
a
little
more
of
a
technical
logistical
question.
I
really
like
the
Mission
Vision
idea
behind
this
I
wanted
to
find
out.
As
I
recall,
the
numbers
seemed
a
little
off
to
me
or
a
little
high,
the
cost
per
student
or
participant
What's,
the
total
cost
of
the
data
C
programming
or
whatever
divided
by
how
many
participants.
What
are
we
looking
at
as
far
as
overall
cost
of
the
program
and
then
like?
What
all
does
that
include?
E
So
the
the
apprenticeship
itself
doesn't
provide
for
those
types
of
I.T
projects.
Those
are
just
the
types
of
IT
projects
that
the
schools
are
participating
in
or
I'm.
Sorry,
the
registered
apprenticeship
candidates
are
participating
in
as
employees
in
the
district.
So
there's
not
there's,
there's
not
an
infrastructure
cost
to
those.
It's
just
types
of
projects
that
they're
working
on
in
schools.
The
projects
that
the
schools
engage
through
other
funding
sources.
I
A
Thank
you
question
a
question
for
the
superintendent
I
know
in
Scott
County
Schools.
They
actually
gave
every
student,
you
know
middle
and
high
school
a
Chromebook
and
the
quote
was
we
can
buy
three
Chromebooks
compared
to
one
book.
Is
that
something
you
guys
are
looking
at?
Are
you
already
doing
it's
evident?
They
say
it's
quite
the
cost.
Saving
it's.
G
An
apple
oranges
comparison
to
me,
we
do
have
Chromebooks,
we
do
have
some
windows
based
workstations
and
we
do
have
some
Macintosh
workstations
as
well.
For
me,
a
Chromebook
is,
is
a
consumer
level
device.
There
are
certain
types
of
projects
that
a
Chromebook
is
just
not
suited
for
so
we
do
have
some
Apple
laptops
and
we
have
some
apple
workstations
they're,
also
through
the
through
our
participation
in
data
scene
and
the
through
the
it's
more.
It's
much
more
cost
effective.
G
It's
about
a
four
to
one
or
five
to
one
turnaround
on
the
money
that
we
have
invested
with
them,
which
makes
this
thousand
what
is
normally
a
thousand
dollar
device
more
in
line
with
for
us
at
the
cost
of
a
Chromebook
would
be
so
it's
a
much
better
robust
device
for
us
than
a
Chromebook
is.
A
A
question
on
the
you
know:
I'm
glad
you
all
touched
on
low-cost
broadband,
that's
something
that
a
lot
of
people
are
not
aware
of
that
specially.
If
your
school
gets
free
and
reduced
lunch,
you
can
get
low-cost
broadband
and
that's
something
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
telling
the
public
out
in
Kentucky.
That's
something
you
need
to
look
at
and
apply
for
because
they
can
get
low-cost
Broadband.
A
You
know
also
I
want
to
thank
if
we
touched
on
this
representative
Reed,
we
we
value,
get
Broadband
out
to
the
areas
not
and
much
like
the
other
Gemini
I've
talked
with
Megan,
sandfoss
and
I.
Think
she's
going
to
do
a
great
job,
I'm
glad
we
have
her
on
board.
Finally,
because,
as
I've
already
said,
Broadband
expansion
to
the
unserved
underserved
area
in
Kentucky,
we
have
one-time
money.
A
We
screw
this
up,
we'll
be
behind
for
the
next
25
years
and
when
I
tell
you
the
federal,
not
only
Mr,
reputation,
Reed
put
three
300
million
into
it
and
I.
Think
representative
Mead
also
put
20
million
dollars
into
poll
attachments,
but
there
are
millions
upon
millions
of
dollars
flowing
down
to
get
Broadband
out
to
all
the
unserved
unserved
areas,
not
only
in
Kentucky
but
Across,
the
Nation.
So
that's
something
very,
very
near
and
dear
to
our
heart
here
and
I
think
you're
right.
A
It
is
the
way
to
get
people,
it's
the
new
interstate
without
Broadband
you're
behind
and
if
you
don't
believe
me
stop
by
my
house
today
and
Amazon
UPS
will
have
been
there
at
least
twice.
My
wife
does
almost
everything
online
these
days
and
again
it
is
the
new
highway.
We
have
to
have
it
without
doubt.
So
thank
you
guys
for
your.
We
see
on
other
questions
or
comments.
Thank
you
guys
for
your
testimony.
Mccormick
one
more
time.
H
A
Well,
that
actually
is
coming
through
Mega
Santa
foss's
office.
Now
she's
actually
doing
that
she's,
the
one
you
want
to
work
with
she's,
actually
the
Broadband
we've
now
actually.
Finally,
thank
goodness
got
a
Broadband
director
to
get
the
Broadband
program
rolled
out.
It's
a
complicated
process.
There's
a
mapping
going
on
right
now
that
the
federal
government
told
us
we'd
have
September
1st,
we
didn't
get
it.
A
Imagine
that
and
it's
complicated
mapping
is
really
really
tough
and
that's
the
real
problem
we're
going
to
have
is
mapping
of
actually
who
does
have
unserved
unserved
in
Scott
County.
A
We
would
we've
already
done
Broadband
across
the
county
and
in
that
they
found
out
that
36
percent
of
providers
weren't
providing
the
speeds
they
said
they
were
so
with
that
it's
complicated
it's
not
easy,
but
without
once
we
get
the
mapping
done
and
at
that
point
in
time
we
could
actually
identify
the
areas
that
we
need
to
spend
the
money
to
get
Broadband
out
to
and
that's
a
short
answer
to
a
very,
very
long
question,
but
it's
complicated
but
I'm
glad
we
got
someone
there
focusing
on
that.
But
again,
I
think
everybody.
A
A
A
J
Okay,
I
appreciate
it
good
job.
Mr
chairman
members,
thank
you
for
inviting
me
here
today
to
talk
to
you
about
our
plans.
Id
it
modernization
in
Texas.
My
name
is
Giovanni
capriglione
I'm,
a
Texas
State
representative
from
house
District
98
at
you've,
been
to
the
DFW
Airport.
You've
been
to
my
district
excited
to
be
here
and
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
some
of
the
things
that
we've
done.
My
wife
was
born
and
raised
in
Kentucky,
so
she's
more
excited
than
I
am
to
be.
J
Okay,
well.
J
You
I'll
I'll
tell
you
kind
of
what
our
what
we
are
working
on
here
in
Texas.
First
of
all,
our
problem
that
we
tried
to
address,
which
I
think
is
true
for
a
lot
of
different
states
as
well,
is
that
we
have
a
lot
of
computer
systems.
A
lot
of
them
are
older.
J
We
call
them
Legacy
I.T
systems
and
and
products,
and
we
needed
to-
and
we
want
to
get
them
to
the
level
of
sophistication
and
support
that
our
constituents
expect
a
lot
of
our
systems
lack
a
lot
of
interoperability.
You
might
have
not
only
difficulty
in
sharing
information
between
agencies,
but
sometimes
even
within
an
agency's.
We
had
interoperability
issues
as
we
try
to
maintain.
J
Some
of
these
older
systems
realize
they're
a
lot
more
expensive
to
do
so
than
possibly
getting
new
systems
that
are
also
obviously
not
as
secure
with
all
of
the
cyber
security
issues.
Everything
from
malware
denial
of
service
attempts
to
breach
and
grab
private
and
personal
information
that
we
store
I
think
it's
essential
that
states
work
really
hard
to
upgrade
and
modernize
their
systems.
J
Part
of
the
other
problem
we
had
and
part
of
what
this
bill
seeks
to
address
is
just
deal
with
the
fact
that
at
least
in
Texas
we
have
a
two-year
budget
cycle,
which
means
that
you
might
an
agency
might
say:
hey.
We
really
need
this.
You
have
to
go
out
and
get
quotes.
You
have
to
wait
to
the
next
legislative
session,
hope
that
it
gets
approved
and
then
months
after
that
begins
the
next
legislative
cycle,
and
so
what
we
found
is
that
the
need
for
this
technology
improvements
it
doesn't
go.
J
It
goes
a
lot
faster,
obviously
than
the
legislative
process.
The
other
thing
that
we
sought
to
address
with
this
legislation
is
to
educate
our
members.
Obviously,
members
come
from
all
different
fields
and
professions,
and
so
we
found
that
it's
beneficial,
obviously
for
the
legislature
to
know
more
about
what
this
technology
does
and
where
it
could
use
and
where
it
can
improve
and
then
finally,
we
wanted
to
find
a
way
to
coordinate
between
the
different
agencies.
J
J
All
right,
hopefully,
you
can
see
all
that
what
I
have
there.
So
again,
my
name
is
Giovanni.
We
want
the
bill
that
we
worked
on
in
the
legislature
is
called
House,
Bill
4018.
J
What
the
goal
was
to
improve
our
long-term
planning
coordination
for
our
state
agency's,
specifically
directed
to
information
technology,
so
that
was
one
part
of
it
so
was
to
go
and
create
a
plan
or
have
agencies
work
on
plans
to
to
determine
how
to
get
to
the
next
level
of
modernization.
The
second
thing
was
to
create
a
fund,
so
we
created
a
refund
inside
of
ours
and
in
our
state
treasury
in
order
to
go
and
hopefully
be
able
to
go
and
deploy
those
monies
through
that
fund.
J
Third,
we
created
a
joint
committee
ourselves
to
go
and
review
not
only
the
plans
by
the
state
agencies,
but
also
projects
that
agencies
felt
that
they
needed
to
get
done
and
to
approve
some
of
those
projects
and
money
withstanding
and
then,
at
the
end,
to
issue
a
report
to
the
legislature
about
what
we
found
ways
to
maybe
increase
transparency
and
accountability
as
these
projects
get
done.
I
I'm,
assuming
that
you
you
like
here
in
Texas,
sometimes
we
will
approve
big
I.T
projects
and
sometimes
they
don't
go
as
well
as
we
had
hoped.
J
There's
changes,
sometimes
there's
delays
and
when
those
projects
get
completed,
sometimes
there's
Contracting
issues
and,
of
course,
sometimes
it
costs
more
money
than
we
originally
thought.
J
So
because,
obviously,
the
goal
of
improving
your
I.T
is
to
be
able
to
do
more,
with
less
be
able
to
handle,
let's
say
more
calls
from
constituents
or
be
able
to
handle
more
of
their
licensing
requirements,
and
so
on
maybe
be
able
to
do
more
of
that
on
apps
on
their
cell
phones,
so
that
they
can
get
a
fishing
license
can
get
a
driver's
license
without
having
to
wait
in
line.
They
should
be
able
to
do
that
online.
J
Those
reports
are
due.
We
just
received
those
in
October
and
they
go
to
our
department
of
information
resources.
Obviously
our
committee
and
other
committees,
such
as
the
Appropriations
Committee
and
our
state
affairs
committee,
what
the
agencies
provide
is
I'm
not
including
the
whole
entire
template,
but
essentially
what
are
the
agency's
goals?
What
are
your
plans?
What
are
the
projects
you're
looking
for
so
give
you
an
example
of
some
of
the
projects.
We
have
a
lot
of
agencies,
maybe
that
they've
been
handling
themselves.
J
Computers
servers
other
items
in
their
own
agencies,
but
they
want
to
go
to
the
cloud
they
want
to
do
that
so
that
they
can,
you
know
essentially
be
able
to
run
the
stuff
not
only
more
securely,
but
also
be
able
to
have
it
flexible
and
be
able
to
expand
as
the
needs
of
that
agency
expand
along
with
that.
What
we
want
the
agencies
to
be
able
to
provide
to
us
is
okay.
You're
doing
all
this
detailed
to
us
with
the
cyber
security
concerns
are
today
and
give
you
an
idea.
J
Some
agencies
have
discovered,
maybe
weren't
even
backing
up
their
equipment
because
they
weren't
ready
for
that.
Maybe
they
were
running
old
operating
systems,
I
using
example
that
we
have
one
agency-
that's
still
using
main
trains
from
the
70s
right.
So
we
know
that
what
we
needed
to
do
is
get
an
inventory
of
what
we
have
and
what
needs
to
be
improved.
J
Maybe,
for
instance,
if
it's
our
in
our
office
of
Inspector
General,
that
would
mean
be
able
to
maybe
do
fraud
detection
at
a
better
rate,
if
it's,
let's
say
a
call
center
type
operations
that
they'll
be
able
to
handle
more
more
customers,
trying
to
call
in
be
able
to
do
that
with
virtual
assistants
and
so
on,
and
then,
finally
or
maybe
more
importantly,
we
wanted
every
agency
to
detail
in
their
reports.
Okay,
we
do
this.
J
How
much
are
we
going
to
save
okay,
because
if
we're
going
to
put
four
or
five
or
X
millions
of
dollars
into
this,
how
does
how
over
the
next
X
number
of
years?
Is
this
not
not
only
going
to
provide
all
those
benefits
but
also
going
to
save
save
the
taxpayers
dollars
a
lot
of
cases?
That
happens
simply
because
maybe
we
need
less
people
to
go
through
paper.
J
We
need
maybe
less
people
picking
up
the
phone,
maybe
in
some
cases
we're
all
able
to
do
something
virtually
and
we
don't
need
a
building
in
order
to
do
those
same
things.
Fte
is
what
we
call
full-time
employees.
J
So
my
last
slide,
which
is
kind
of
a
big
piece
creating
a
fund
in
the
Texas
legislature,
is
pretty
easy.
Getting
money
in
it
is
is
a
little
bit
more
challenging,
but
what
we're
able
to
do
is
through
the
appropriation
process
through
a
separate
bill,
Senate
Bill,
a
replace
200
million
dollars
of
Opera
funds
inside
of
that
subcommittee's
event
overview.
J
So
that
way,
when
we
get
these
projects,
the
top
projects
that
each
agency
has,
we
can
evaluate
on
prioritizing
them
in
terms
of
which
ones
are,
for
instance,
we
call
it
here
pcls,
but
we
go
through
independent
assessments
by
vendors,
who
will
go
through
each
agency
and
say,
and
they
basically
make
a
chart
of
Legacy
versus
risk.
In
other
words,
how
old
is
this
system
and
how
bad
is
it
if
some
somebody
breaches
in
or
shuts
down
that
system?
J
If
we
look
at
things
like
that,
we
look
at
the
size
of
these
Enterprise
projects
and
we
look
at
what
the
value
is
again
to
the
consumers.
So,
in
a
nutshell,
it's
a
relatively
small
bill,
but
the
goal
again
is
to
go
and
upgrade
our
systems
in
a
way
that
that
will
be
able
to
create
again
with
the
constituents
expect
upon
their
I.T
systems
with
the
state.
J
A
J
That's:
okay!
No!
That's
I'm
I'm
I'm
available
for
any
questions.
I
just
wanted
to
share
with
you
something
that
I
think
is
beneficial
in
all
states
and
of
course
it
can
be
modified
for
for
various
States
or
even
various
counties
and
so
on.
J
But
the
reality
is
is
that
we
have
all
have
an
opportunity.
I've
watched
the
previous
testimony
on
broadband.
We
are
trying
to
get
more
people
online,
we're
trying
to
get
more
people.
Apprenticeships
we're
trying
to
get
to
this
new
new
way
of
doing
not
only
business
but
for
government
to
acting
and
so
I
think
that
hospital
4018
in
similar
methods
will
do
that
as
well.
So
again,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
K
J
No,
it's
a
good
question
right,
I
mean
I
will
tell
you
both
with
both
business
right,
there's
pros
and
cons
to
both,
and
so
you
have
to
go
and
and
hopefully-
and
this
is
sometimes
where
things
things
always
seem
to
fall
apart
at
the
beginning
right
when
you're
trying
to
plan
in
terms
of
what
you
do
the
custom
route
is,
is
more
expensive.
It
takes
more
time,
but
it's
if
you
do
it
in
that
method,
it's
a
lot
easier
to
have
it
do
specifically
what
you
want.
I'll
give
you
an
example.
J
Of
course,
a
member
comes
up
with
a
new
idea,
and
now
it's
a
law,
and
now
you
have
to
change
it
right.
You
have
to
change
that
system,
and
so
a
custom
solution
can
definitely
be
a
lot
more
flexible.
The
off
the
shelf,
I
think
is
super
is
a
more
relevant
thing
to
do.
For
instance,
when
you're
trying
to
maybe
replace
a
financial
system
or
a
human
resource
system,
where
you're
trying
to
have
check
registers
or
you're
trying
to
maybe
so
what
happened
with
us
during
covid
was
I.
J
You
know,
unemployment
just
went
through
the
route
right.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
that
were
trying
to
get
their
unemployment
checks
and
so
on
it
was.
There
was
not
enough
time
to
go
and
create
a
custom
solution
to
handle
millions
of
people
trying
to
call
all
at
once.
So
we
used
an
off-the-shelf
system
which
was
available
in
order
to
provide
virtual
assistance
to
millions
of
people
on
the
cloud.
J
So
you
know
to
me
they're,
both
both
good
ways.
You
just
have
to
evaluate
the
situation
to
see
which
best
suits
your
needs.
A
K
J
That's
a
good
point:
it
never
goes
as
fast
as
we
know,
but
we're
hoping
in
by
the
next
couple.
Two
three
months
we'll
already
have
evaluated
the
reports
we'll
have
kind
of
decided
on
a
prioritization
of
them
and
started
funding
some
of
these
projects
again
for
us,
our
budget
cycle
ends
or
begins
at
September
1st
of
next
year.
So,
if
we're
able
to
do
this,
we
can
start
the
RFP
process.
We
can
start
all
of
that
which,
in
and
of
itself,
can
take
a
lot
of
time.
J
A
Thank
you,
Senator
Southworth,.
I
Thank
you,
I
have
also
two
questions.
My
first
question
is
you
mentioned
200
million
in
arpa
funds,
which
sounds
cool,
except
for
a
lot
of
our
projects,
because
we're
currently
doing
some
of
these
of
our
larger
systems.
It's
like
over
100
million
per
project
and
so
I'm
just
thinking,
that's
not
going
to
cover
anything.
J
No,
that's
a
good
question.
I'll
start
with
the
second
one
first,
so
the
committee
is
made
up
of
three
members
of
the
house
and
three
members
of
this
setting
right.
So
the
committee
itself
is
legislators,
but
we
have
an
agency
called
the
department
of
information
resources
that
is
helpful
to
provide
a
good
technical
expertise
right,
so
they
are
essentially
also
the
Contracting
piece.
So
it's
they
have
methods
to
go.
J
In
our
first
committee
meeting,
we
also
brought
in
two
agencies:
people
who
worked
on
the
procurements
for
other
projects,
because
we
wanted
to
do
was
say:
okay,
tell
us
about
a
project
that
went
well
and
how
you
made
it
work
well,
and
we
also
brought
in
an
agency
who
had
a
project
that
did
not
go
very
smoothly
at
all
at
the
beginning
and
how
they
modified
and
changed
that
to
get
it
going
the
second
time
so
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
money
yeah,
some
of
the
biggest
projects
have
to
be
done
through
our
General
Revenue
and
through
our
Appropriations
process.
J
But
I'll
tell
you:
I
surround
Appropriations
as
well
and
a
lot
of
times.
We
would
spend
the
money
and
no
one
would
know
what
those
projects
were
anyway
right.
It's
just
part
of
the
whole
budget,
so
at
least
with
this
method.
Even
if
we
don't
have
the
money,
obviously
do
every
single
project,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
in-depth
look
at
each
one
of
these
cards
and
say
and
I've
asked
that
question.
Why
does
this
one
cost?
Seven
million?
Why
does
this
website
cost
a
million
dollars
right?
Show
me?
J
The
details
and
show
me
why
and
we've
seen
some
of
the
projects
just.
J
Right
because
maybe
they're
either
not
as
important
or
they're,
not
priced
exactly
the
way
that
they
should
have
been
and
that's
where
I
think
again,
you
don't
have
to
be
an
expert
in
I.T.
Just
like
a
lot
of
us.
Aren't
experts
in
let's
say
other
professions,
but
we
still
have
a
responsibility
to
our
constituents
to
make
sure
that
we're
spending
the
money
correctly,
that
there's
oversight
and
accountability
for
doing
so.
A
Thanks
sir
I
I
got
a
couple
questions
with
this,
something
guys
this
is
something
we've
had
discussions
in
there
and
I'm
here
about
is.
We
need
to
also
look
at
our
computer
systems
here
in
Kentucky
and
prioritize,
which
ones
are
the
oldest,
which
not
wouldn't
he
be
replaced,
and
so
that's
what
started
this
conversation
day.
I
was
curious
and
I
appreciate,
representative
King,
Essence
question,
and
one
thing
I
heard
is
we're.
Building
our
UI
system
from
the
ground
up
and
I've
been
very
vocal
against.
That
is
one
of
the
things.
A
J
Well,
we're
big
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
people
going
after
our
stuff,
I
mean
there's
just
I.
Just
read
a
report
that
just
recently
there
was
a
an
attack
of
a
malware
thing,
but
they
were
specifically
focused
on
it.
Looked
like
San
Antonio
in
Texas
I'll
tell
you,
I
started
working
on
improving
our
cyber
security
in
the
state
of
Texas,
probably
about
five
or
six
years
ago.
J
We
do
get
attempted
attacks
a
lot,
but
I'll
tell
you
also
that
we
now
have
a
system
and
a
lot
of
systems
in
place.
We
have
the
universities,
we
have
the
colleges.
We
have
a
lot
of
big
private
corporations
like
Dell
and
others
who
have
expertise
in
that
who
have
been
able
to
mitigate
those
breaches
as
well.
A
J
A
Was
struggling
with
that
here
and
again,
you
know
don't
get
wrong.
We
have
oh,
no
computer
system.
We
need
to
need
to
replace
the
problem
of
it
is,
is
expense
and
the
time
it's
going
to
take
to
put
that
in
and
actually
for
anyone
who's
not
been
paying
attention.
The
RFP
they
put
out
to
replace
our
computer
system
and
they
actually
contracted
with
the
company
they
had
to
replace
because
evidently
they're
under
investigation,
so
I
think
the
UI
system
definitely
needs
to
be
replaced.
J
And
and
Mr
chairman
I
think
you're
exactly
right
and
I'll
just
give
an
example
of
maybe
why
I
first
started
going
into
this,
which
is
we
had
also
asked
12
years
ago
now
to
have
a
custom
system
built
and
at
the
time
it
was
said
that
it
was
going
to
be
built
in
about
two
to
three
years
for
16
million
dollars
well
at
500
million
dollars,
okay
and
eight
nine
years
after
that,
you
still
didn't,
have
anything
right,
and
so
what
I'll
say
is
whether
it's
costume
or
customer
off
the
shelf.
J
There's
a
lot
of
different
processes
that
could
be
done
and
what
we've
decided
to
do
in
more
cases
and
you
call
it
agile.
You
can
call
it.
However
else
you
want
to
do.
The
project
management
is
breaking
down
these
huge
projects
into
deliverables,
okay,
that
are
smaller
in
size
and
in
scope,
and
by
doing
that,
I
think
you're
able
to
go
and
say:
okay.
Well,
if
it's
going
to
take
you
eight
years
to
do
all
this
I'm
not
going
to
commit
all
that
money.
All
now
and
I'll
see
you
in
eight
years
right.
J
Here's
one
portion
of
it
that
I
need
up
and
running
right
now
will
fund
that
and
when
that's
done
in
a
year
or
18
months,
come
back
to
us
and
we'll
see
what
happens
right,
maybe
we'll
go
to
the
next
phase,
and
so
we've
learned
to
break
it
up
into
phases
and
I
think
that
that
is
a
way
to
handle
it,
because
what
I
never
wanted
was
was,
let's
say,
there's
a
company
that
has,
like
you
said,
an
issue
that
makes
the
newspaper
right,
but
that
shouldn't
hurt
the
desire
for
your
state
to
invent
Advance
other
projects
that
could
be
done
well
and
effectively.
A
A
They
were
going
to
build
from
the
ground
up
that
was
12
years
ago,
still
not
finished,
and
it's
only
much
like
you
said
about
500
million
dollars
over
budget,
so
we
need
to
make
sure
we
spend
taxpayers
dollars
wisely,
and
this
is
definitely
something
we
need
to
take
a
hard
look
at
and
get
work
on
this
upcoming,
the
next
upcoming
session
and
then
interim,
because
it
can
cost
a
lot
of
money
and
not
get
a
lot
done.
That's.
J
Right
and
and
I
mean
what
I
did
so
we
had
our
hearing
on
this
we're
like
okay,
you
know
it
fell
off
the
track.
I
mean
again,
this
is
a
decade
later,
so
you
you
say:
well
what
did
we
have
in
place
for
continuity?
We
had
six
levels
of
accountability
and
unfortunately,
people
wanted
to
create
a
seventh
level
of
accountability.
You
just
have
to
make
sure
that
the
money
is
tied
to
project
success.
A
Appreciate
your
time,
what
part
of
Texas
are
you
from
sir.
J
A
Actually
I
was
coming
out
of
the
the
chambers
after
today,
and
we
had
some
of
your
constituents
up
turn
the
capital,
but
yesterday.
A
Yes
again,
thank
you,
sir.
You
have
a
great
day
and
appreciate
you
taking
time
to
testify
today.
All.
C
You
Mr
chairman,
you
was
kind
to
us
while
ago
when
we
had
the
top
epic
Broadband,
but
I
just
want
to
take
this
time
to
thank
you
for
your
2020
work
on
House
Bill
362,
which
laid
down
the
groundwork
and
the
framework
for
the
Brom
band
deployment
fund.
I
also
want
to
thank
Senator
Gibbons
over
in
the
senate
for
championing
that
over
the
Senate,
but
it's
a
team
effort
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
did
on
it
as
well.
Thank.
A
You,
sir
thanks
sir:
it
is
team
effort
and
again
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
all
of
us
in
the
same
room,
wants
to
make
sure
that
we
get
Broadband
rolled
out
as
fish
efficiently
and
as
cost
effective
as
possible
and
make
sure
that
we
spend
public
dollars
wisely
because
remember
it's
not
our
money,
it's
their
money
that
we're
spending
and
sometimes
I.
Think
people
forget
that.
So,
if
not
another
last
meeting
will
be
November
the
17th
same
time.