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All
right,
we
have
a
quorum
and
would
conduct
business
if
we
had
anything
to
do
in
that
sense.
Otherwise
we
have
some
items
on
the
agenda.
For
today,
one
is
completed:
two
military
Affairs,
three
Broadband
four
person,
l,
these
are
going
to
be
essentially
updates,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
point
to
five
and
six
that
information
should
be
in
your
packets.
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If
you
have
any
questions,
Jenny
Bannister
will
be
your
go-to
on
five
for
correspondence
received,
increases
decreases
in
budget
allotments
correspondents
received
Jennifer
Hayes
or
anyone
on
a
r
staff
for
this
committee
would
be
appropriate.
If
you
have
questions,
I
would
suggest
that
you
review
those
documents
now
back
up
to
item
two
military
Affairs
22
through
23
non-governmental
expenditures,
update
nges.
We
have
I
hope,
Stephanie,
Roby
in
person
or
live
in
person
or
remote.
Some
work
good
come
on
up
to
the
yeah
up
to
the
table.
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You
very
good
anyone
that
will
be
presenting
today
if
you'll
Raise,
Your
Right
hands,
do
you
swearing
for
him
to
tell
the
truth,
whole
truth
or
nothing,
but
the
truth.
I
do
very
good.
If
you
will
please
proceed
and
give
us
an
update
on
non-governmental
expenditures
and
Military
Affairs
for
the
22-23.
all.
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Righty
I'll
get
us
kicked
off
here.
Thank
you,
chair
P,
co-chair
Petrie,
co-chair
McDaniel
and
members
of
the
committee.
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
provide
an
update
on
the
necessary
government
expenditures
commonly
referred
to
as
NGE
for
State
fiscal
year.
2023.
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Military
Affairs
have
spent
273
million
dollars
through
May
15
2023
Source
from
NGE
General
funds.
This
is
the
largest
amount
ever
primarily
due
to
the
Eastern
Kentucky
flooding
disaster
in
July
2022,
which
makes
up
260
million
of
the
total
amount
expended
just.
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Yes,
I
appreciate
the
question
from
July
28th
of
the
date
of
the
disaster
through
May
15th.
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The
budget
of
the
Commonwealth
that
you,
the
general
assembly,
passed,
appropriates
four
and
a
half
million
dollars
each
year
for
NGE
with
NR
line
item
budget
general
fund.
The
budget
Bill
also
allows
for
additional
expenditures
for
nges
for
governor
declared
emergencies.
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The
governor's
call
the
Kentucky
National
Guard
and
to
match
federal
aid
for
presidentially
declared
disasters
or
emergencies,
and
the
funds
for
the
nges
that
exceed
the
four
and
a
half
million
come
from
the
budget,
Reserve
trust
fund
and
at
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
all
unexpended
NGE
funds,
laps
back
to
the
budget,
Reserve
trust
fund.
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And
here's
our
our
breakdown
slide
and
you
can
see
of
the
260
million
total
for
the
Eastern
Kentucky
flood
about
172
million
has
gone
towards
debris,
removal,
County,
Bridges
and
County
Road
repairs
and
about
88
million
has
gone.
It's
been
expended
for
the
utilization
of
both
heavy
and
small
equipment,
Sheltering
missions,
on-site
restroom
and
laundry
facilities,
State
Emergency
Operations
Center
support
the
purchasing,
as
well
as
the
distribution
of
water
to
critical
facilities
and
security
at
multiple
disaster
recovery
centers
are.
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And
then,
obviously,
the
Eastern
Kentucky
flood
for
fiscal
2023
has
been
the
large
significant
majority
of
the
expenditures,
but
you
can
notice
the
breakdown
that
we
have
for
the
Western
Kentucky
tornadoes.
The
the
purposes
regarding
the
expenditures
are
similar.
You
can
the
department
of
parks
and
the
Red
Cross
support
that
they
provided
for
Sheltering
are
also
significant
with
the
Western
Kentucky
tornadoes.
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They
went
back
to
1990,
looking
at
how
often
counties
had
been
declared
when
you
look
at
the
top
10
counties
with
the
most
declarations
in
the
United
States
Kentucky
has
seven
of
those
we
flood
constantly.
Over
the
last
five
years.
We
only
had
two
declarations
that
did
not
involve
flooding.
One
of
them
was
coveted,
although
I
felt
like
I,
was
in
a
flood
of
germs,
but
on
when
you
look
at
how
this
process
works,
I
want
to
give
you
realistic
expectations
as
to
when
we
can
expect
funds
coming
back
from
FEMA.
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It's
a
very
long
process,
the
more
complex
the
disaster
the
longer
the
process
can
take.
I
can
tell
you
that
last
year
we
received
our
last
payment
from
FEMA
regarding
the
ice
storm
of
2009.,
so
we
work
very
hard
to
ensure
that
what
we
provide
FEMA
on
the
front
end
is
detailed
that
we
have
done
our
work
appropriately,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
procurement
and
that
we
have
documentation
to
support
every
penny
that
we're
asking
for
the
more
we
can
do
to
ensure
quality
the
faster
the
money
will
come
back
to
date.
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However,
they
have
only
obligated
of
a
large
portion
of
that,
but
it
has
not
hit
the
NGE
account
as
a
refund,
yet
that'll
probably
be
next
week.
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As
far
as
the
flooding
is
concerned,
we
have
submitted
254.5
million
dollars
in
reimbursement
request,
that'll
constitute
20
projects
to
date,
they've
obligated
three
for
a
total
of
16.8
million
dollars,
so
we
are
moving
in
a
positive
direction
with
them,
but
you
need
to
keep
in
mind
that
there
are
hundreds
of
applicants
across
these
two
events,
where
only
one
of
those
and
all
total,
probably
between
the
two
events.
Fema,
is
processing
over
2
000
projects.
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There
was
a
point
in
time
when
we
first
were
overlapping
the
tornadoes
and
the
floods
that
FEMA
probably
had
close
to
a
thousand
people
in
this
state
working.
Then
we
had
the
horrible
hurricane
in
Florida
hit,
and
so
they
had
resources
that
were
transferred
out
right
now
we
have
about
323
FEMA
people
working
in
the
state.
They
have
an
office
here
in
Frankfurt
they
have
a
remote
office
in
Eastern
Kentucky
and
in
Western
Kentucky.
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So
when
you
look
at
this
process
from
start
to
finish
from
the
disaster
to
getting
our
money
back,
like
I
said
it
can
take
a
while
when
we
know
that
there's
going
to
be
an
event
or
an
event
strikes.
Suddenly
we
are
going
to
activate
the
state
emergency
responsator.
That
operations
center
is
the
coordinating
factor
for
response
efforts
and
meeting
the
needs
of
these
impacted
communities
and
citizens.
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So
when
we
activate,
depending
on
the
type
of
the
event,
we
are
going
to
start
asking
State
agencies
to
come
in
and
provide
support
depending
on
what
their
area
of
expertise
is
we're,
also
inviting
in
the
Red
Cross
will
be
there
depending
on
the
event
we
have
representatives
from
Power
providers.
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Lg
e
will
be
in
and
they
are
monitoring
restoration
of
critical
facilities
that
sort
of
thing.
So
when
we
activate
we
do
so
under
KRS
39a
100,
it's
important
on
many
levels,
because
it
it
directs
state
agencies
to
help
us.
It
also
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
procure
goods
and
services
that
are
needed
by
impacted
communities.
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When
the
event
unfolds,
we
are
in
constant
communication
with
impacted
counties.
We
are
looking
to
receive
information
from
them.
That's
going
to
guide
us
in
what
we
need
to
be
doing
to
help
them
respond
to
and
recover
from
the
event
as
soon
as
the
wind
stops
blowing
and
local
officials
and
their
emergency
managers
are
able
to
talk
to
us
and
tell
us
what
they
need.
We
are
giving
out
those
needs
to
the
appropriate
agencies.
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We
had.
We
have
so
many
moving
pieces
in
the
heat
of
the
battle.
In
the
flood
event,
the
National
Guard
moved
out
immediately.
They
were
pulling
people
off
of
housetops
and
out
of
trees.
We
had
transportation
cabinet
immediately
working
to
open
up
roads.
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Oftentimes,
particularly
in
Eastern
Kentucky,
they
don't
have
the
the
Manpower
at
the
local
government
level
to
do
what
they
need
to
do
to
to
make
sure
that
emergency
vehicles
can
get
to
hospitals.
We
are
sending
out
a
lot
of
times
the
division
of
Forestry
and
the
National
Guard
have
cut
Crews
and
they'll
go
open
up
critical
roads.
The
state
police
will
oftentimes
be
assigned
into
devastated
communities
to
protect
them
from
looters.
We
have
a
lot
of
different
things
that
are
going
on.
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Evacuations
we're
trying
to
establish
Sheltering
and
feeding
and
whatnot
FEMA's
contention
is
that
all
disasters
are
local
in
nature,
and
it's
only
when
they
have
expended
their
resources
that
they
should
be
turning
to
the
state.
And
when
we
have
expended
our
resources,
then
we
need
to
be
looking
to
other
areas
for
assistance.
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We
had
many
many
counties
and
cities
that
were
ready
and
able
and
did
meet
the
call
and
they
sent
in
search
teams
they
sent
in
teams
to
help
manage
the
incident
incident
command.
In
critically,
impacted
communities
is
complex
and
it's
more
than
one
County
Emergency
manager
can
accomplish
so
teams
were
sent
in.
We
had
a
lot
of
most
of
you
are
from
counties
that
were
either
impacted
or
you
are
from
counties
that
helped
answer
the
call.
Also
we
under
39a
950,
which
is
the
Emergency
Management
assistance
compact.
D
We
turn
to
other
states
for
large
missions
between
the
two
events.
We
had
help
from
Florida
Michigan,
New,
York,
Texas,
West,
Virginia
and
Tennessee.
We
do
a
lot
of
procurement.
I
would
be
hard-pressed
to
see
procurement
that
outstripped
what
we
faced
during
hovid,
but
this
last
one
was
huge.
I
can
tell
you
that
it's
not
something
a
couple
of
people
can
accomplish.
We
have
procurement
experts
at
military
Affairs.
The
finance
cabinet
was
quick
to
bring
in
people
to
assist
with
procurement.
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Also,
we
found
a
couple
of
adeccos
who
were
retired
procurement
experts
that
we
brought
on
board,
so
we
rely
heavily
on
Master
agreements.
Fema
is
very,
very
particular
about
how
you
put
your
goods
and
services.
If
it's
not
done
properly,
you
will
not
be
reimbursed
if
you
bought
things
that
were
overpriced.
If
you
bought
things
that
were
not
necessary,
you
will
not
get
reimbursed
I've
been
with
the
agency
since
the
ice.
Derma
2009
I
have
no
knowledge
of
Emergency
Management
being
denied
FEMA
funding,
because
we
did
not
follow
proper
procurement.
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Once
we
have
procured
and
we
are
seeking
FEMA
reimbursement,
we
have
to
provide
an
enormous
amount
of
documentation.
Every
invoice
that
comes
in
is
double
and
triple
checked.
Nothing
is
paid
without
six
levels
of
approval.
D
We
are
limited
at
Kentucky,
Emergency,
Management
to
only
conduct
and
be
reimbursed
for
emergency
work.
That
involves
debris
removal
and
it
involves
what
they
call
emergency
protective
measures.
That's
the
cost
associated
with
running
the
EOC,
deploying
resources,
Sheltering,
feeding
those
types
of
activities
are
things
that
we
can
request
reimbursement
for.
If
we
send
an
agency
out
to
perform
a
task,
then,
when
that
agency
has
completed
that
work,
they
submit
a
request
to
Kentucky
Emergency
Management
to
be
reimbursed
for
their
expenses.
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D
However,
there
was
a
presidential
order
that
went
out
saying
that
all
disasters
that
occurred
during
2020
and
2021
would
be
funded
at
90
percent,
which
is
a
good
thing
to
make
things
even
better.
Fema
allowed
us
to
identify
the
30
most
expensive
days
that
the
state
incurred
when
it
came
to
emergency
work
and
that's
not
just
the
state
but
also
the
counties,
the
cities
that
were
impacted.
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So
you
had
to
identify
30
days
within
the
first
120
days
of
the
event
we
surveyed
all
of
the
cities
and
counties
we
surveyed
all
of
our
state
agencies
that
were
involved,
and
we
picked
out
the
30
most
expensive
days
so
for
the
tornadoes
I
expect
that
we
will
probably
be
close
to
95
percent
reimbursement
to
the
state
for
the
work
that
we
did
for
the
flooding.
It
is
a
75-25
split
on
our
projects.
However,
we
also
had
a
30-day
window
that
we
could
identify
at
100
percent
questions.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chair.
Thank
you
guys
for
your
testimony
today,
Mr
Robbie,
just
briefly,
you
kind
of
roughed
in
that
you
expected
a
roughly
95
reimbursement
rate
in
the
west
when
you
apply
that
30-day
100
reimbursement
rate
and
then
balance
out
the
75.25
for
the
balance
that
you
referenced.
What
are
you
expecting
there?
Roughly.
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A
Welcome
we're
going
to
follow
up
on
that
just
for
a
moment,
so
looking
at
historical
reimbursements
from
FEMA
and
what
you
see
now
as
far
as
your
applications
for
reimbursement,
do
you
anticipate
the
curve,
the
bulk
of
the
reimbursements
coming
in
the
first
four
years
with
trailoffs
the
first
two
years
with
Trail
offs?
What
kind
of
expected
curve
do
you
see
on
those
payments,
reimbursement,
payments.
A
Really
quickly,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
there
was
one
line
left
at
the
very
end
just
wanted
to
make
sure
everyone
understands.
You
stated
that
first
off
contacts,
just
real
quick
you've
got
budget
bill
and
the
budget
Bill
generally
appropriates
money
for
certain
things,
and
there
is
a
four
million
dollar
or
thereabouts
appropriation
for
non-governmental
expenses.
But
everybody
understands
that
that
NGE
is
very
elastic.
A
The
4
million
doesn't
really
mean
anything
to
us
when
we're
planning,
because
when
you've
got
an
emergency
come
up,
then
the
NGE
says:
do
what
you
have
to
for
the
most
part
fair
enough.
So
that's
what
we've
got
around
400
million
expenditure
under
NGE
for
the
purposes
stated
reimbursements
come
back
in
with
the
last
sentence,
then,
as
those
reimbursements
come
back
in
they'll,
go
back
into
the
general
fund.
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Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
as
somebody
represents
the
ice
storm
belt,
the
problem
that
we've
historically
had
I
describe
what
happens
when
the
money
comes
back,
comes
to
Frankfurt
and
how
about
that
turnaround.
Time
is,
and
what
that
average
or
what
the
counties
need
to
be
anticipating
at
that
time.
You're.
D
I
would
like
to
say
that
we
instantaneously
turn
those
around.
It
will
be
much
better
than
what
you
have
seen
in
the
past.
Fema
has
a
designation
between
projects
of
small
projects
and
large
projects.
It
used
to
be
that
the
threshold
for
a
small
project
was
on
average,
something
around
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Any
projects
funded
above
that
before
the
applicant
could
receive
any
funding
from
us.
They
had
to
provide
us
with
all
the
supporting
documentation
that
is
associated
with
those
costs.
Recently,
FEMA
has
changed
that
threshold.
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D
Fema
will
not
consider
closing
a
large
project
until
they
have
performed,
what's
called
a
final
inspection,
and
that
can
be
anything
from
a
desk
review
of
documents
to
going
out
into
the
field
and
actually
looking
at
a
repaired,
Road
or
Bridge.
So
that
created
quite
a
delay
and
there
have
been
times
where
we
have
had
final
inspections,
stacked
up
with
FEMA
for
years
and
we're
seeing
a
vast
Improvement
in
that
FEMA
has
designated
more
people
to
help
so
I
think
moving
forward.
The
money
will
be
flowing
quicker
and
easier.
G
I
appreciate
that,
and
you
know,
we've
had
some
real
problems.
A
200
000
project
may
not
be
big
to
FEMA,
but
to
one
of
my
counties,
it's
it's
huge
and
we
have
had
undue
delays
to
the
point
of
I've,
had
several
conversations:
Congressman,
Rogers
and
Senator,
McConnell
and
and
I
liked.
Maybe
our
lobbying
and
their
influence
has
helped
in
this
process,
because
it
has
really
been
a
hardship
and
a
lot
of
times.
Frankfurt
gets
the
blame.
It's
not
always
frankfur
to
the
agency,
inefficiency,
but
I.
G
H
You
Mr
chair,
I,
want
to
see
a
few
if
you
were
consulted
or
referred
to
when
the
governor
established
some
accounts
that
basically
raised
money
from
the
private
sector
and
corporations
and
so
forth
that
go
into
a
fund
and
those
funds
were
transferred
over
to
into
an
account
that
sb99
established
and
I.
H
Guess,
like
I
said,
were
you
consulted
or
talked
to
about
this
account
and
then
how
does
if
at
all,
does
FEMA
reimburse
what
went
on
in
terms
of
that
fund
being
being
raising
money
and
then
transferring
over
to
this
other
fund?
How
FEMA
comes
in
and
comes
into
that
play
if,
at
all,.
D
We
had
no
part
in
the
funds
that
were
raised
from
private
entities.
I
have
no
knowledge
of
that.
H
Okay,
but
and
I
appreciate
that,
but
the
money
was
transferred
to
another
account
and
I
I'm,
going
to
assume
that
FEMA
is
going
to
be
a
reimbursing
the
state.
So
how?
How
will
the
accounting,
how
about
materialize
in
terms
of
accounting,
function
or
purpose
or
allocation?
Do
you
know,
do
you
understand
what
I'm
asking
I'm.
D
Sorry,
FEMA
funds
that
were
raised
that
were
expended
and
given
I
think
you're
talking
about
the
fund
that
went
to
private
individuals.
Is
that
correct?
That's.
D
There
would
be
no
reimbursement,
for
you,
know,
funds
that
were
raised
and
distributed.
That
I'm
aware
of.
H
A
Thank
you
and
given
that
question
I
would
do
want
to
make
sure
that
that
we're
a
little
clear
right
now
we're
talking
about
NGE
spending,
Authority.
Okay,
in
addition
to
that
relative
to
these
two
events,
tornadic
as
well
as
flooding
in
addition
to
the
NGE
expenditures
in
both.
A
We
also
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
please,
we
also
have
safe
funds
around
200
million
in
the
west
and
200
million
way,
plus
and
the
East
that
were
made
of
available
statutorily
and
funded
for
specific
purposes
or
at
least
guideline
principles,
and
then
we
also
have
in
addition
to
that,
relative
to
these
two
events
for
Relief.
We
have
Team
Kentucky
funds,
which
were
as
representative
Fleming
was
discussing
or
originally
created
by
executive
order.
We
talked
about
those
this
morning
a
little
bit.
A
They
were
off
budget
accounts
which
I
think
they
kind
of
frowned
on
at
this
point,
and
so
Senate
Bill
99,
combined
a
House
and
Senate
bill,
and
those
funds
have
now
been
brought
on
budget
and
have
been
appropriated
and
are
still
being
still
working.
So
we've
got
safe
funds
in
the
East
and
the
West.
We
have
Team
Kentucky
funds
in
the
East
and
the
west
and
we
have
what
you're
talking
about
right
now:
around
400
million
worth
of
non-governmental
expenditures
pursuant
and
Allowed
by
budget
statute.
Fair
enough.
A
A
D
D
A
Good
we're
looking
at
reimbursements
and
thank
you
again
for
the
presentation,
I
think
all
of
us
can
probably
say
acknowledge
this
is
extraordinarily
complex,
you're,
not
just
dealing
with
all
the
locals
and
all
the
needs
and
all
the
emergency
type
contacts,
but
you're
also
dealing
with
Federal
red
tape,
which
is
a
plentiful
and
oversight
and
compliance
and
all
those
other
type
things
large
dollar
figures,
large
volumes
of
entities
and
people
you're
dealing
with
yes,
yes,
yes,
one
of
the
other
reasons
we're
looking
at
this
is
this:
when
you
have
400
million
dollars
of
expenditures,
that's
that
makes
your
eyes
open
as
it
does.
A
Yours,
400
million
is
a
significant
portion
of
even
our
entire
annual
budget.
You
take
note
of
that.
That
also
has
some
Ripple
effects.
So
when
you're
looking
at
how
your
money
is
appropriated
in
your
budget
and
you've
got
all
your
numbers
set
on
the
pie,
when
you
have
a
400
million
introduced,
it
necessarily
decreases
everybody's
percentages
and
increases
in
another
spot.
So
it
makes
those
numbers
move
a
lot
and
as
reimbursements
come
through,
it
changes
what
our
revenues
actually
look
like.
Also
I,
can't
without
saying
it.
A
Also
can
have
effect
on
House,
Bill,
8
and
economic
triggers
that
we're
looking
for
so
this
audit.
This
increases
as
part
of
that
system.
Looking
at
the
individual
income
tax
rate,
when
we
have
an
expenditure
that
goes
up
in
the
actual
increases
that
has
to
be
taken
account,
and
this
is
not
a
4
million
or
a
40
million
or
an
80
million.
This
is
a
400
million
and
something
like
that
can
negate
one
of
those
conditions
pretty
easily.
So
just
trying
to
understand
what
this
is.
A
D
I
agree,
I,
agree
and,
and
to
give
you
some
context,
if
you
look
back
starting
with
the
ice
storm
in
2009,
when
you
look
at
all
of
the
requests
that
we
made
of
FEMA
to
carry
us,
you
know
past
these
expenditures
for
all
of
the
Declarations
we're
talking
23
million
dollars,
total
I
mean
they
weren't
hugely
complex.
We
were
able
to
manage
them,
but
now
that
we're
starting
to
have
these
massive
events,
the
response
is
massive.
A
D
A
A
I
You
Mr
chairman,
we're
going
to
give
you
an
update,
I
think
the
last
time
Megan
was
before
another
committee
was
in
late,
March
and
so
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
history.
But
most
of
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
is
what's
coming
forward
back,
we
had
we've
had
our
first
round
one
Awards,
which
I've
mentioned
to
this
committee
before
we
had
47
Awards
about
90
million
dollars,
total
investment
of
over
200
million,
including
the
investment
of
the
Innova
service
providers
and
County
governments
who
helped
put
up
some
of
the
match.
I
The
90
million
that
the
state
put
in
was
again
federal,
arpa
funds.
Much
of
the
county
funds
that
were
put
in
for
match
were
County
arpa
funds,
so
we
were
able
to
leverage.
You
know
the
what's
known
as
the
state
and
local
fiscal
Recovery
Fund
at
both
the
state
and
local
level,
so
touching
36
counties,
Megan
and
her
staff.
Now,
who
are
monitoring
that
you
know
these
are
construction
projects,
the
deployment
of
broadband
infrastructure
and
so
13
projects
of
those
47
have
been
bid
or
in
the
construction
phase.
I
So
we're
we're
seeing
trucks
you
know
out
on
the
roads,
you
know
putting
cable
up
and
so
Megan
we're
going
to
tag
team
a
little
bit
Megan's
going
to
talk
about
where
in
the
round
two
process
and
she's
going
to
give
you
an
update.
J
We
put
out
the
application
on
February
6th
and
we
received
or
no
sorry
we
put
it
out
in
November,
and
it
was
due
on
February
6th
and
we
received
103
applications
requesting
483
million
dollars
in
funds
for
a
total
of
908
million
dollars
in
projects
we
had
206
million
dollars
available,
so
we
were
over
subscribed,
there's
a
huge
demand
for
this.
There
were
projects
proposed
in
77
counties
and
their
proposals
to
serve
127
000
locations.
J
So
again,
the
priority
for
these
projects
was
those
no
service
locations
with
under
10
1
speed.
So
you
know
the
what
we
consider
you
know
really
far
underser
or
unserved.
So
on
February
13th,
we
published
the
list
of
addresses
that
were
proposed
to
be
served
and
open
up
the
challenge
process
and
we
received
quite
a
few
challenges
to
the
to
the
application.
J
J
It
was
a
very
time
consuming
process
to
get
the
responses
in
and
back,
and
so
we
have
finally
determined
and
all
of
those
challenges
and
we've
returned
the
challenges
to
the
the
applicants
and
now
the
the
the
revisions
are
being
completed
and
we'll
be
evaluating
these.
These
grants
with
hope,
hoping
to
award
the
funds
in
July.
J
So
with
regards
to
the
arpa
funds
that
were
allocated
to
broadband
projects,
treasury
just
issued
supplemental
guidance
on
the
on
on
some
of
the
the
issues
that
the
isps
were
concerned
about
on
May
17th.
So
there
there
have
been
some
concerns
about
procurement
and
asset
ownership
that
the
isps
needed
to
have
addressed
and
so
treasury
issued
some
additional
guidance
that
answered
a
lot
of
those
questions.
I
And
Mr
chairman
you'll
you'll
remember
some
of
the
changing
rules
from
the
U.S
Department
of
Treasury
and
some
of
these
early
monies
in
this
case.
These
were
very
positive
changes
that
addressed
some
of
the
specific
issues
that
internet
service
providers
had
about
ownership
and
and
other
things
about
the
use
of
federal
funds.
So
so,
even
though
they
were
late,
they
were
helpful
in
that
they
resolved
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
some
of
these
providers
had
I
might
add
as
a
part
of
the
biennial
budget.
I
This
past
time
you
also
put
in
20
million
dollars
from
the
federal
arpa
funds.
For
what
I
call
the
poll
replacement
subsidy
program,
it's
called
the
rural
infrastructure
Improvement
fund
and
basically
it
was
a
subsidy
to
reimburse
for
a
portion
of
poll
Replacements
than
telephone
poles,
where
the
cables
go
on
for
projects
that
we're
going
to
achieve
unserved
service
to
unserved
locations
so
similar
in
a
policy
approach
to
the
funds
that
we're
doing
for
Broadband
deployment.
Let's
try
to
get
service
where
there
isn't
service
now
or
where
the
service
is
really
really
slow.
I
So
that
is,
we
put
that
out
in
September,
we've
only
had
a
few
applications
so
far
out
of
that,
so
that
20
million
kind
of
stands
put
until
it's
used
up,
but
I
think
it's
also
indicative
of
the
of
the
efforts
that
internet
service
providers
have
to
go
through
in
order
to
get
poll
attachment
agreements
and
work
through
that
process.
So
so
I
don't
see
see
that
few
applications
as
reflecting
the
the
lack
of
need
for
the
funds.
I
see
it
as
this
is
what's.
I
This
is
the
timing
that
it
takes
in
order
to
get
that,
and
they
couldn't
incur
the
expenses
that
could
be
reimbursed
until
July
1
of.
A
I
I
That's
exactly
right
and
it'll
be
first.
Come
first
serve
in
that
regard,
so
we're
you
know
we're
not
scoring
competitively.
Let
me
let
me
talk
about
the
next
steps.
Is
the
you'll
hear
the
phrase
bead
out
of
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
law
at
the
federal
level,
the
Broadband
Equity
access
and
deployment
program?
B-E-A-D?
That's
the
big
Next
Step.
I
This
will
walk
through
the
various
steps
that
we're
going
to
be
taking
in
every
state
will
be
taking
in
order
and
their
timelines
in
order
to
access
those
funds
and
deploy
this
major
investment
in
bringing
affordable,
reliable,
high-speed
internet
to
Kentucky
households
and
businesses.
So
here's
the
headline
by
June,
30th,
the
national
telecommunications
and
Information
Administration
ntia,
will
announce
the
state
by
state
allocations
of
our
share
of
42
billion
dollars
that
is
available
to
all
50
states
and
territories.
I
Some
outside
entities
I've
testified
before
have
estimated
because
the
feds
will
give
you
their
estimate,
yet
that
could
be
in
the
neighborhood
of
a
billion
dollars
right
and
so
Megan
and
I
just
talked
about
the
the
process
in
two
rounds
of
300
million
dollars,
and
so
here
we
have
the
prospect
of
tripling
that
amount
here
soon.
I
In
order
to
come
up
with
a
map
in
every
state
of
served,
underserved
and
unserved
locations
and
when
I
say
locations,
I
mean
every
home
every
business
right,
that's
pretty
massive
in
terms
of
a
data,
Gathering
process
and
a
mapping
process,
and
so
we
all
states
had
the
opportunity
to
challenge
in
an
earlier
map
of
that
and
so
Megan
and
and
her
staff
and
the
Consultants.
We
worked
with
put
their
heads
down
and
dug
through
and
submitted
15
000,
approximately
Challenge
location
challenges.
By
saying,
no,
that
map
is
wrong.
I
It's
overstating
the
service
levels
of
fifteen
thousand
locations,
so
the
FCC
looks
at
that
and
provides
we
provided
the
evidence
and
the
data
and
nearly
all
of
those
challenge
were
accepted.
So
so
in
essence,
Kentucky's
map
grew
by
15
000
locations
compared
to
the
initial
map,
so
that
process
is
over
and
and
they're.
You
know
again
by
June
30th
we're
all
going
to
hear
how
much
money
results
in
a
it's.
I
A
formula
based
upon
your
share,
your
proportionate
share
of
unserved
and
underserved
locations
and
then
there's
a
subset
of
that
that
they
refer
to
as
high
cost
locations.
That
is
another
where
they
took
10
percent
of
that
42
billion
and
they're
going
to
distribute
that
as
a
part
of
this
allocation,
so
think
about
the
Topography
of
certain
parts
of
Kentucky,
as
maybe
representing
some
areas
where
you
would
have
high
cost
there.
I
So
we'll
we'll
see,
we
we've
not
been
told
how
they've
how
they've
calculated
that
on
the
high
cost
areas,
but
we're
going
to
see
the
results
come
June
30.,
and
so
so
that's
going
to
be
the
headline
I'm,
giving
you
a
heads
up,
June
30..
Now
that
doesn't
mean
the
money's
available
right.
We've
got
a
significant,
the
law
has,
and
the
guidance
has
a
significant
set
of
steps
that
every
stage
is
going
to
go
through
before
we
can
access
that
money.
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Megan.
So.
J
One
of
those
steps
is,
we
have
to
complete
a
five-year
action
plan
that
is
due
to
the
ntia
by
August
12th,
so
that
will
establish
the
goals
and
priorities
and
serve
as
A
needs
assessment,
which
will
inform
our
initial
proposal.
So
we
have
been
working
on
Gathering
data,
doing
Outreach
to
complete
that
action
plan.
We
have
a
contract
with
connected
nation,
which
is
a
kentucky-based
non-profit
with
Broadband
experience
that
we've
been
working
with
and
since
October
to
help
create
our
Statewide
plan.
J
I
And
let
me
just
interrupt
for
a
second
and
another
method.
Is
the
governor
has
at
least
monthly
phone
calls
with
all
the
county,
judges
and
Mayors,
and
we
continuously
update
them
on
where
we
are
with
the
Broadband.
When
we
had
the
listening
tours,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
local
elected
officials
knew
what
was
going
on
and
the
door
was
open
and
and
I
know.
The
phone
calls
have
come
into
Megan's
shop
from
some
of
those
County
judges
and
Mayors.
You
know
so
that
everybody
knew
what
was
going
on
and
when
things
would
happen.
J
So
we
we
also
have
a
state
Broadband
map
that
we
are
nearly
complete
on.
It's
being
reviewed
right
now,
so
so
this
is
incorporating
data
that
was
received
directly
from
the
internet
providers,
as
well
as
data
from
the
new
FCC
Maps,
which
are
granular
and
location
based
compared
to
the
prior
iteration
of
the
maps
which
were
based
on
census
blocks.
J
So
this
will
be
a
tool
that
shows
all
in
one
place,
existing
funding
for
Broadband
projects
and
as
well
as
a
visualization
of
the
availability
of
broadband
throughout
the
state
too,
and
and
it
will
help
us
identify
all
these
unserved
and
underserved
locations
which
we
need
to
do
for
for
the
bead
program.
J
J
So
after
the
initial
proposal,
we
will
have
to
submit
a
final
proposal.
We've
got
a
another
year
after
the
initial
proposal
to
do
that
and
and
that's
when
they
will
release
the
remaining
80
of
those
funds
and.
I
And
we
do
not
plan
to
take
a
year
to
complete
our
final
proposal
after
the
initial
proposal.
You
know
because
well,
I
can
just
guarantee
you
that,
because
we're
not
going
to
let
that
sit
for
a
year,
but
we
got
maybe
800
million
dollars
pending.
You
know
our
action
on
that
and
I
would
say.
Mr
chairman
and
I
mentioned
this
before
both
this
bead
program
and
our
action
plan
and
our
initial
proposal
and
the
capital
projects
fund,
which
is
part
of
the
round
two
Awards.
I
Currently
the
statute,
you
all
passed,
is
still
very
consistent
in
a
policy
approach
to
what
what
we
plan
to
do
and
what
the
federal
government
will
accept,
and
by
that
I
mean
you
have
a
priority
on
no
service
and
a
second
priority
on
unserved
and
that's
consistent
with
the
federal
policy
here,
because
the
intention
here
is
to
have
universal
access
to
Affordable,
reliable,
high-speed
internet,
and
so
so,
when
we,
when
we
talk
to
the
feds,
we
always
remind
them,
and
here
in
our
state,
we've
already
kind
of
got
a
a
mission,
a
goal
that
we're
that
we're
leading
to,
and
that
remains
consistent.
I
The
federal
funds
can
also
be
used
for
underserved
locations,
which
is
now
measured
by
a
hundred
megabyte,
download,
25
megabyte
upload.
Well,
I.
Don't
even
have
that
at
my
house,
you
know,
but
but
so
so
there
you
know.
Let's
just
say
we
we
got.
We
let's
say
we
got
to
the
end
of
the
road.
We
got
the
end
of
the
holler
right.
I
mean
that's
a
that's
an
aspiration
right
internationally.
I
A
Very
good
really
quickly
on
number
side
for
operation
of
the
Broadband
office
itself.
I
was
going
to
ask
if
you
had
the
contract,
so
you
do
have
contract
without
with
third-party
connected
Nation.
That's
ongoing
ballpark
of
what
the
contract
cost.
J
Right
now
it's
myself
and
two
others
I
just
had
another
position
approved
by
Personnel
to
post
this
week
and
then
I've
got
a
consultant
through
the
staff
augmentation
or
one
of
the
contractors,
through
staff
augmentation
through
the
I.T
contract,
to
do
Gis
for
the
office
so
and.
J
A
Very
good
I'm,
if
you
will
get
back
to
this
committee
the
following
and
if
you
can't,
let
me
know
quickly:
I,
want
to
know
the
application
geography
for
round
one
and
round
two.
So
where
are
the
applications
coming
from
the
application,
as
well
as
size,
scope,
dollar
figures
involved?
So
we
can
understand
the
orders
of
magnitude
of
where
they're
coming
from
regionally
across
the
state,
that's
on
the
application
side
and
then
I
need
the
same
on
what
applications
are
approved.
I
And-
and
let
me
just
add,
those
will
be
the
revised
applications
post
challenge.
Yes,
you
understand
what
I'm
saying
so
because
we
didn't
want
to
overstate
somebody's
initial
application,
very
good.
A
I
think
you
can
note
the
general
assembly's
seriousness
about
getting
to
last
miles.
Getting
Broadband
Universal
starting
At,
Last
At
Last
miles,
which
I
understand
now
is
unique
in
the
country
it
is
every
other
state
has
gone
the
other
direction
and
the
federal
money
coming
down
is
is
following
what
Kentucky's
done,
which
is
a
a
great
thing.
If
I
understand
you
correctly
is
the
bead
money,
that's
anticipated
direct
to
Executive
or
general
assembly
needs
to
appropriate.
I
It
will
well
it's
direct
to
the
you
know
to
the
the
you
know,
the
applicant,
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky.
These
are
federal
funds.
We
will
incorporate
in
the
next
biennial
budget
request
our
best
estimate
of
a
timing
and
amount.
You
know
because
we
want
to
just
like
we
do
with
any
other
grant
program.
We
also
have
the
discretion.
I
Should
we
miss
the
mark
underneath
it
that
we
have
the
ability
to
increase
the
appropriation
between
the
interims,
but
yeah
and
you'll
see
in
the
next
budget
request
our
best
estimate
of
how
much
in
fiscal
25
how
much
in
fiscal
26.
A
A
You
can
bull
it
down.
I'll
leave
that
with
a
capital
all
cap,
if
last-
and
this
is
not
fuss
and
I-
appreciate
you
working
on
this-
but
don't
remains
open,
happy
to
discuss
these
things
in
the
interim
when
we
have
time
space
to
analyze
and
get
information
flow
back
and
forth,
it
doesn't
work
well
during
session
I've
not
been
here.
K
A
A
Now
we
put
value
on
universal
coverage
and
starting
at
last
and
last
miles
for
Broadband
access
and
dedicate
those
federal
funds
to
that
rather
than
other
purposes,
but
looking
down
the
road,
even
if
there's
800
million
or
more
coming
from
federal
funds.
That's
still
Grace,
that's
not
a
plan
for
five
years,
10
years,
15
years,
20
years
out,
much
like
we
have
electric
and
water
which
we
will
always
be
doing
for
the
foreseeable
always
Broadband
is
probably
going
to
be
the
same
way.
A
I
First,
you
know
that's
understanding.
We
have
had
some
Megan
and
I
have
had
some
discussions
on
that
is,
ultimately,
you
know
in
all
states
what
about
the
sufficiency
of
the
bead
allocation?
You
know,
will
it
achieve
and
so
we're
going
to
make
in
our
initial
proposal.
You
know
we're
going
to
make
our
best
estimate
for
can
do
we
think
we
can
right?
Is
this
going
to
be
enough
money
to
get
to
all
the
unserved
locations?
I
So
that's
part
of
the
so
that'll
be
iterative
right,
so
I
would
say
I'm
not
going
to
know
a
whole
lot
walking
into
the
next
session,
but
we're
going
to
learn
a
lot
through
this
next
two
year
period.
That
kind
of
gets
to
the
sufficiency
question,
which
is
kind
of
your
question
as
well,
is,
is:
do
we
need
other
resources
to
maintain
or
to
you
know,
to
get
to
the
final
goal,
so
so
I
mean
I.
I
Think
about
that
when
we
had
to
submit
our
capital
projects
fund
plan
right,
we
had
to
estimate
how
many
households
do
you
think
this
182
million
is
going
to
fund
right?
Well,
we
had
round
one
in
our
pocket
in
terms
of
having
data
on
well,
what
did
it
cost
and
the
estimates
for
these
locations?
I
How
do
we
extrapolate
that
to
Future
locations
where
we're
in
the
process
Megan
in
the
in
the
in
the
staff,
are
in
the
process
of
thinking
that
through
further
now,
we
got
a
second
round
of
applications
right,
so
we
have
locality
data,
we
know
where
they
are
and
we
can
get
a
sense
of
the
estimated
price.
So
to
kind
of
answer
your
question,
I
I,
understand
it.
I
think
we're
gonna.
It's
gonna
take
the
next
two
years
really
to
learn
enough
to
be
thinking
about
the
next
20
years.
A
I
And
it's
an
interesting
public
private
discussion
about
this.
It's
the
subscription
model
right
just
like
it
is
for
those
other
utilities.
Is
that
that
the
the
subscription
price
you
know,
can
it
pay
for
the
operating
and
updating
and
fixing
right?
We
just
heard
floods
and
tornadoes
talk
about
well.
Broadband
gets
affected.
You
know
when
those
events
occur
as
well.
Very.
L
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
Echo,
your
request,
Mr
chairman
broadband's,
probably
the
if
it's
not
the
number
one
topic
that
my
constituents
want
to
talk
to
me
about
it.
It
is
right
up
there
and
I
guess.
My
frustration
with
this
is
I
would
really
like
to
see
some
sort
of
updated
map,
graphic
breakdown
by
city
of
County,
of
how
this
is
being
implemented.
L
I
think
we
have
shown
as
a
general
assembly
that
this
is
a
very
important
topic
given
how
much
money
has
been
appropriated
and
if
you
look
at
the
interaction
with
the
federal
government,
I
think
policymakers
understand.
This
is
a
very
important
topic,
but
I
have
many
constituents
that
still
want
to
know
when
they
live
out
in
the
country
they
live
in
rural
areas.
L
I
And
I
appreciate
your
comments
and
one
of
the
next
exciting
things
going
to
happen
is
a
map
that
is,
that
is
I,
won't
know
if
it's
user
friendly,
because
I'm
an
idiot
operator
but
it'll,
be
a
the
best
map.
You've
ever
seen,
you'll
be
able
to
drill
down
to
your
own
home
address.
You
know
to
say
what
is
there
if
anything,
so
so
the
first
thing
that'll
be
out
there
before
money?
Is
that
now?
I
Second,
your
broader
question
is:
we
are
all
dependent
upon
internet
service
providers,
be
they
privately
owned
or
publicly
owned
to
get
there
right
that
that
is.
We
have
adopted
that
model
nationally
and
you
know
so.
What
we're
doing
is
a
set
of
governments
is
subsidizing
the
infrastructure
costs
and,
in
some
cases,
the
federal
government
subsidizing
operating
costs.
I
The
federal
government
subsidizing
home
homes
that
are
low
income
with
affordable
connectivity
program
to
be
able
to
help
them
pay
their
bills,
but
so
just
to
let
you
know
we're
kind
of
sitting
with
the
money
as
the
incentive,
but
it
is
the
internet
service
providers
that
are
going
to
have
to
deliver.
Now,
when
we
talk
to
local
government
leaders-
and
you
know
them
in
your
in
your
communities-
they
need
to
lead
on
I
want
every
home
in
my
County
to
be
covered.
I
The
counties
that
have
done
that
you
know
are,
are
kind
of
ahead.
I've,
told
County
judges
because
of
the
timeline
I
just
described
to
you.
You've
got
time
to
put
together
your
plan,
so
you
don't
so
so
there
is
that
leadership
that
you
all
have
done
at
the
legislative
level
with
the
policy
and
the
statute
and
the
funding.
I
But
when
I
talk
to
local
leadership,
I
said
you
need
to
grab
this
by
the
horns
as
best
you
can
and
at
least
Express
the
vision
that
this
is
what
we
want
to
do,
and
you
know,
and
and
I've
seen
many
who
have
right,
and
so
we've
got
a
number
of
counties
in
this
state.
You
know
who
who
got
started
earlier
and
and
they're
in
the
process
in
some
cases
of
of
hitting
every
home
in
their
County,
and
we
want
every
County
to
do
that.
A
A
Forward
to
talking
to
you
and
receiving
documents
up
four
number:
four
personal
Personnel
cabinet
compensation,
a
classification
study,
an
update
from
I
think
are
somewhat
newly
minted
Mary
Elizabeth
Bailey
as
secretary
and
congratulations
well,
I
say
that
there's.
C
A
K
A
Good
and
thank
you
for
introducing
yourselves
and
we've
got
a
few
minutes.
It's
just
an
update
one
for
you
to
say
Hi
I'm,
the
new
secretary,
but
we've
been
looking
at
classification
study
for
a
couple
of
years.
Yes,
we've
been
given
updates
periodically.
The
last
thing
that
I
recall
update
is
that
we
hope
that
the
Personnel
pay
schedules,
the
the
study
by
Third
Independent
party,
will
be
completed
somewhere,
November
or
December
of
this
year.
Does
that
still
remain?
Yes,.
K
November
1st
House
Bill
444
required
that
it's
completed
by
November
1st
it.
We
are
utilizing,
as
you
said,
Mr
chairman
our
conversation
and
Consultants
corn
ferry
to
assist
us
with
that.
So
there
is
work
that
is
being
done
in-house
and.
K
Absolutely
yes,
they
are
in
32
states.
They
are
the
premier
compensation
melting
firm.
So,
yes,
we
are
utilizing
them
and
I'll
just
move
right
on
into
the
update.
If
that's
okay,
I
was
going
to
give
you
a
little
background
in
context,
but
I'm
going
to
understand
your
time.
We
have
1155
job
classifications
that
encompasses
our
25
and
500
classified
graded
employees.
They
fall
into
these
these
jobs.
With
that
said,
we
are
70
complete
of
the
job
classification
review
of
that
70
percent.
K
We
have
from
the
conclusions
of
the
full
review
that
we
have
done
on
the
job
we
have.
The
results
of
that
are
89
of
the
job.
Classifications
are
going
to
have
some
type
of
change
to
them
and
when
we
say
that
you
know
it's
various
changes
for
minimum
requirements,
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
reviewing
these
to
ensure
that
our
jobs
are
not
too
restrictive
on
the
hiring.
K
You
know
when
we,
if
we
have
a
job
classification,
that
is
maybe
a
degree
requirement
only
that
we
are
ensuring
that
there
is
some
type
of
experience
required
as
well
or
a
substitution
for
that.
It's
very
important
that
we
are
not
to
restrict
too
restrictive,
and
we
are
looking
at
things
like
job
titles
is,
is
what
you
know:
people
applicants
in
in
the
industry
what
they
are
searching
for
is
that
what
we
are
calling
the
job
so
that
way,
it
makes
it
much
easier
to
find
when
they
are
when
they
are
looking.
K
We
are
looking
at
things
the
level
of
responsibility
and
special
requirements
on
the
job.
Does
it
require
a
licensure
certification?
So
all
of
those
those
things
are
what's
going
into
that
so
eight
when
I
say
89,
it
means
either.
We've
had
like
I
said
a
minimum
requirement,
change
a
title
change,
possibly
a
grade
change,
maybe
a
special
entrance
rates
being
given
going
to
be
given
to
the
job
a
locality
premium,
so
lots
of
various
changes
and.
A
K
See
yes,
yes,
now
that's
with
our
salary
schedule
and
so
that
that
is
part
of
that
as
well.
Yes,
sir
of
that
seven
of
the
seventy
percent
that
we
have
completed
the
complete
review,
we
only
have
eleven
percent
of
those
that
have
no
change
at
all.
When
we've
reviewed
you
know
everything
is
in
line
with
either
our
our
Point
factoring
system,
which
is
owned
by
corn,
Ferry
or
with
Market
or
with
with
surveys
that
we
have
done.
K
Or
you
know,
the
Min
requirements
are
still
fine,
so
a
very
small
percentage
so,
but
a
large
percentage
that
we
will
see
changes
too.
So
that
is,
that
is
good.
You
know
I
want
to
thank
the
general
assembly,
first
of
all
for
allocating
the
500
000
to
us
for
to
continue
with
assistance
from
corn
fairy.
We
have
a
short
small
staff
of
four
employees
that
are
assigned
to
that
they're
assigned
about
ten
thousand
positions
each.
So
you
can
imagine
imagine
it's
a
huge
undertaking,
so
we
really
really
appreciate
that.
K
We
also
appreciate
the
fact
that
the
general
assembly
gave
state
employees
last
year,
an
eight
percent
increase
and
a
six
percent
this
year.
That's
going
to
allow
us
to
be
able
to
adjust
our
salary
schedule
which
definitely
assists
in
in
the
recruitment
of
new
applicants
and
and
future
growth
of
state
government,
which
is
so
important,
especially
to
retain
our
employees.
K
You
know
that's
why
this
comprehensive
Job
review
is
so
important,
but
yes
to
that,
and
we
will
have
a
full
report
to
you
all
by
November
1st,
it
will
be,
it
will
have
conclusions
and
recommendations
on
fiscal
actions
that
we
will
need
the
general
assembly
take
to
implement
several
of
these
job
changes
so
appreciate
that.
A
Very
good,
if
you
will,
if
there's
any
way
to
give
us,
give
me
or
give
us
a
heads
up
of
what
you're,
anticipating
okay
before
your
final
report,
goes
out:
November,
1,
great
okay,
and
if
I
recall
correctly,
we
have
allocated
money
and
put
over
to
make
sure
in
advance
that
once
the
study
is
announced,
recommendations
are
ready
for
consideration
from
General
Assembly.
The
money
is
all
there
for
implementation.
So
that's
not
a
second
issue
to
follow.
It's
already.
There.
F
K
Two-Part
in
this
first
of
all,
as
we're
reviewing
the
job
classification
series,
there
are
some
job
classes
that
are
just
unique
in
its
own,
and
then
there
are
others
that
are
in,
let's
say,
there's
four
or
five
steps
to
the
series.
We
are
addressing,
ensuring
that,
as
we
are
reviewing
all
the
aspects
of
of
the
job
classification,
if
there
ends
up
being
a
grade
change,
there
is
not
going
to
be
compression
within
the
series
or
who
that
they
report
to.
A
And
then
I'm
going
to
boil
that
down
to
Common
person,
language
on
compression
issue
of
if
anyone
in
the
general
assembly
has
ever
received
a
call,
wait
a
minute
I've
been
working
at
the
state
government
for
four
or
five
six
years
and
somebody
was
just
hired
in
and
they're
making
the
same
amount
that
I
am
and
I'm
training
them.
Yes,.