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Okay,
you
like
to
call
this
meeting
to
order.
This
is
the
first
meeting
of
the
this
interim
of
the
national
resources
and
energy
committee.
Welcome
to
my
co-chairman,
Senator
Smith
I
would
like
to
announce
that
we
do
have
miss
Emily
Wiley.
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She
is
a
graduate
fella
and
she's
going
to
be
working
with
us
for
the
entire
year,
so
Emily
welcome
and
we're
glad
to
have
you
and
I'm
sure
if
you
learned
something
it'll
be
from
Senator
Smith
and
probably
not
me
so
so
at
this
time,
we'll
have
to
call
our
meeting
to
order.
Ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
roll.
Please.
C
E
D
A
Okay,
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
so
we're
that
we'll
have
any
votes
today.
What
we
do
have
at
the
end
of
the
end
of
the
meeting,
we
have
some
administrative
regulations
that
have
been
referred
to
us
from
the
fish
and
wildlife.
There's,
no,
actually
no
action
required
on
those.
But
if
somebody
does
have
some
questions
or
whatever
we're
more
than
happy
to
get,
you
know
take
time
to
get
those
answers
for
you.
At
this
time,
I
say:
I've
already
called
the
meeting
to
order.
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We
asked
that
that
people
from
American,
Electric,
Power
and
and
Kentucky
power
would
come
and
and
address
to
the
committee
some
issues
that,
like
all
issues
they've,
they
impact
our
rate
payers.
We
do
have
kind
of
a
monopoly
system
in
Kentucky
and
anything
that
whether
there
was
a
a
sale
or
whatever
is
very
important.
A
We
did
have
the
situation
where
the
proposed
sale
of
Kentucky
power
to
American,
Electric,
Power
to
Liberty
utilities,
I
think
did
not
happen
and
so
I
think
what
we
want
to
do
is
we
ask
I,
asked
those
these
ladies
to
come
and
kind
of
give
us
an
idea
on.
Maybe
why
that
didn't
happen
and
what
we're
looking
at
next
and
so
with
that
we
have
Cindy
Wiseman
who's,
President,
Chief,
Operating,
Officer
of
Kentucky
Power
and
Amy
Elliott,
external
Affairs
Manager
for
Kentucky
Power.
F
F
So
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today.
As
chairman
Gooch
said,
I'm
Amy
Elliott
I
have
worked
with
Kentucky
Power
for
the
last
15
years.
10
of
those
I
spent
in
Regulatory
Compliance
and
rates
in
the
last
five
have
been
in
external
affairs,
but
we
are
excited
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today.
It's
been
an
eventful
few
years
for
Kentucky
Power
and
we
always
appreciate
when
you
take
interest
in
matters
that
affect
our
company,
because
we
recognize
that
they
also
affect
your
constituents.
F
So
you
know
this
last
session
we
were
able
to
work
together
on
Senate
Bill
192
on
securitization,
which
was
positive
legislation
for
our
customers,
and
we
sincerely
appreciate
that
and
want
to
thank
you
for
your
work
on
that.
Otherwise,
Cindy
Wiseman
is
here
with
me.
She
is
our
president
and
Chief
Operating
Officer.
Many
of
you
all,
probably
know
Cindy
from
her
years
in
customer
service
and
external
Affairs,
but
our
team
is
very
excited
that
she
is
taking
on
the
president
role
in
Kentucky
that
will
get
started.
G
Also
I'd
like
to
add
my
thanks
to
all
each
of
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today.
I
am
very
new
in
my
role
once
we
announce
the
termination
of
the
cell,
I
was
named
the
president
and
CEO
many
of
you
may
have
known
Brett
Madison,
who
was
in
the
position
before
us
and
he's
still
with
AAP,
but
went
back
to
Louisiana
his
home
state
to
head
up
a
company.
There.
G
I
have
been
with
AEP
for
15
years
on
the
Appalachian
Power
Assad
for
10
years
and
then
most
recently
in
Kentucky
Power
for
five
years,
I'm
based
in
Ashland
and
I
have
covered
in
my
past
role:
external
Affairs
customer
service,
Communications
and
economic
development,
and
now,
of
course,
have
responsibility
for
the
company.
We
have
a
good
team
in
place,
I
hope,
I'm
a
familiar
face
to
you
all
I
intend
to
finish
my
career
at
Kentucky
Power.
That's
my
plan
anyway.
We'll
see
what
what
all
happens
but
I
know.
G
One
of
the
reasons
that
you
wanted
us
to
come
today
is
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what's
been
going
on
for
the
past
two
years
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
activity
and
you
all
have
been
a
part
of
that
and
aware
of
the
the
cell
that
has
been
taking
place.
It
started
about
two
years
ago,
when
AEP
announced
the
Strategic
review
of
Kentucky
Power
and
then
through
a
various
regulatory
requirements
at
the
state
and
then
the
federal
level
in
December.
G
But
there
was
no
single
reason
why
the
cell
was
terminated,
except
that
the
time
that
it
was
taking,
as
I
said,
you
know,
coming
up
on
two
years
and
then
the
hurdles
at
the
federal
level
to
get
it
passed
or
across
the
finish
line.
So
on
April,
17th
I.
Think
we
made
you
all
aware
that
the
two
parties
agreed
to
terminate
the
cell
from
AEP
of
Liberty
of
Kentucky's
assets,
and
so
today
we
remain
part
of
AEP.
G
As
one
of
our
employees
said
to
me
recently,
he
said
for
a
while
it
seemed
like
everything
was
changing
and
it
was
you
know
we
were
working
on
getting
the
sell
and
then
and
now
nothing
has
changed,
and
so
we're
part
of
we
remain
part
of
AEP.
Aap
is
committed
to
Kentucky
Power
and
its
customers
and
we're
you
know,
working
on
a
short-term
and
a
long-term
strategy
to
continue
serving
our
customers
as
we
as
we
move
forward.
G
It's
been
about
seven
weeks,
so
we
have
some
work
to
do
and
I'm
explaining
a
little
bit
about
what
you
know
what
we're
thinking
about.
So
it's
not
news
to
anyone.
I
have
the
slide
up
on
the
regional
situation.
It's
not
news
to
anyone
that
we
have
challenges
in
Eastern
Kentucky,
which
is
also
affecting
the
Financial
Health
of
Kentucky
Power.
G
We've
lost
more
than
11
000
customers
in
the
past
15
years
in
our
territory
you
can
and
that
Trends
with
the
population
lost
for
Eastern
Kentucky,
and
you
can
look
at
at
data
and
you
can
see
where
other
areas
of
the
state
are
are
growing
and
gaining
in
population.
G
So,
generally
speaking,
cells
represent
the
denominator
in
utility
rate
making
and
thus
load
of
loss
of
load
directly
correlates
to
increased
rates
for
remaining
customers
that
that's
a
mouthful,
but
you
know
our
cost
to
serve
is
higher
because
we
have
fewer
customers
per
square
mile
and
per
line
mile,
and
then
we
have
what
you
hear
us
talk
about
our
fixed
costs
and
those
are
spread
among
the
entire
customer
base.
So
as
we
lose
customers
and
we
lose
load
that
has
a
negative
impact
on
rates
so
compounding
these
challenges
our
customers
are
using.
G
Our
customers
in
Kentucky
Power
are
using
more
electricity
than
the
national
average
in
some
ways.
50
percent
more
and
I
think
that's
due
to
housing
and
the
heating
and
cooling
systems
that
they
use
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
too.
Then,
of
course,
with
inflation
and
and
post
covered,
everything
is
more
expensive.
Our
costs
have
gone
up
to
for
equipment
Transformers,
and
things
like
that.
So
we
are
under
this
constant
challenge.
It's
a
daily
conversation
about
how
we
balance
in
Eastern
Kentucky
keeping
the
lights
on
investing
in
infrastructure.
G
You
know
upgrading
substations,
replacing
poles
transmission
facilities
versus
how
that
transfers
and
rates
and
what
customers
can
can
tolerate
in
rates.
So
that
is
something
that
is
I'm,
pretty
passionate
about
and
I'm
trying
to
work
on
every
day
I
mean
it
is
we're
acutely
aware
of
the
circumstances
that
we
that
we
have.
G
As
I
mentioned,
we're
working
on
a
short-term
and
long-term
strategy,
we
break
this
down
on
in
the
presentation.
I
promise
we're
going
to
be
quick,
but
the
in
the
short
term
we're
securitizing
the
large
portion
of
rape
base
again
Amy
mentioned
it,
but
we
can't
thank
you
enough
for
being
able
to
work
with
you
and
partner
your
leadership
on
getting
securitization
past
the
finish
line.
For
us
it
was
a
great
tool
and
we
welcome
future
opportunities
like
that
too.
G
It
was
very
refreshing
we're
looking
at
low-income
programs
that
we
may
be
able
to
do
just
to
help
our
customers.
We
already
provide
a
lot
of
Community
Support,
we're
committed
to
continuing
that
under
what
I've
referred
to
as
Kentucky
Power
2.0
in
the
long
term.
We
have
you
know
we're
a
leader
in
economic
development
in
Eastern,
Kentucky
already
and
certainly
plan
to
continue
that
and
looking
for
ways
to
elevate
or
escalate.
Our
efforts
in
that
area
so
always
open
to
ideas
about
that
or
a
discussion
about
that.
G
We
we
are
in
in
that
for
the
long
term
and
then
Energy
Efficiency,
we'll
mention
that
to
you,
but
we're
looking
at
ways
when
I
mentioned
housing
and
and
what
we're
seeing
as
far
as
usage
ways,
we
can
make
an
impact
there
and
then
you
know,
as
I
said:
I'm
not
I,
don't
come
from
a
regulatory
or
Finance
or
even
a
legal
background.
G
I'm
a
customer
background,
and
so
relationships
are
really
important
to
me
and
I'm,
looking
for
ways
to
partner
and
I'm,
been
meeting
with
anybody
and
everybody
and
willing
to
do
so,
to
try
to
generate
some
new
ideas
and
Solutions
on
how
we
can
help
not
just
our
customers
but
Eastern
Kentucky
as
a
whole.
G
In
the
short
term,
you
know,
I,
just
I
want
you
all
to
know
and
I've
said
it
already
that
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
work
with
customers
and
to
mitigate
rates.
G
We
are
examining
all
of
our
customer
programs.
We've
formed
a
couple
of
work
groups
internally
with
employees
they're,
mostly
our
field
employees
who
don't
they
don't
have
the
benefit
of
sitting
behind
a
desk
all
day
and
coming
up
with
Solutions
and
making
decisions,
but
they
have
these
great
ideas
on
ways
that
we
can
help
our
customers
because
they're
the
ones
interacting
with
them.
So
we've
got
these
work
groups
going
internally.
We're
also
looking
for
the
possibility
of
increasing
our
heart
and
fall
program,
which
are
our
two
winter
Assistance
programs.
G
If
there's
a
way
that
we
can
get
more
customers
to
receive
the
benefit
of
that,
we
would
like
to
pursue
that
and
then
we
are
focusing
efforts
on
housing
and
hunger.
I
mean
we
can't
solve
those
as
a
power
company,
but
certainly
we're
willing
to
be
a
partner
in
that
and
willing
to
do
our
part
in
that
too,
and
when
I
you
know,
the
one
thing
I
wanted
to
add
is
you
know
we're
we're
trying
to
interact
differently
with
our
customers
too.
G
You
probably
won't
see
a
lot
of
advertisement,
a
lot
of
billboards
down
Highway
23
or
anything
like
that
about
us
we're.
You
know:
we've
found
that
we
can
segment
our
customers
out,
and
so
we
have
a
group
of
customers
who
are
on
life
support,
so
we
reach
out
to
them
because
they
have
a
special
need.
Apart
from
the
customer
who
just
pays
his
or
her
bill
and
goes
on
every
day,
so
we're
doing
a
lot
of
Outreach
in
that
way.
G
One
of
the
challenge
to
be
quite
frankly
Frank
is
that
we're
finding
is
that
getting
them
to
interact
back
with
us?
You
know
the
majority
of
customers
just
pay
their
bill
and
going
about
their
lives,
but
it's
that
10
or
15
percent.
That
has
trouble
that
we're
trying
to
impact
and
reach.
And
it's
you
know,
the
challenge
is
just
getting
them
to
participate
with
us,
but
we're
we're
continuing
to
do
that.
F
And
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
other
changes
that
we
are
hoping
to
make
is
to
change
our
due
date
from
15
to
21
days.
We
are
sensitive
to
the
financial
hardships
that
our
customers
are
experiencing
and
want
to
use
all
the
tools
that
we
can
to
mitigate
their
their
hardships,
that
they
have
and
paying
their
bills.
F
And
you
know
one
of
those
big
tools
will
be
securitization.
It's
it's
already
been
announced
that
we
will
file
a
rate
review
later
this
summer.
Our
plan
is
to
file
the
case
at
the
same
time
that
we
file
the
securitization
filing
with
the
PSC
so
the
day
that
the
securitization
bill
becomes
effective,
I'm,
not
a
lawyer
either,
but
I
think
it's
June
29th.
It
was
past
the
session.
F
We
will
make
the
securitization
following
with
the
PSC,
but
you
know
we
want
to
be
clear
when
we
say
that
that
there
are
savings
with
securitization
and
that
we
will
maximize
those
benefits.
But
you
know
the
the
case
will
still
be
an
increase,
but
because
of
the
company's
ability
to
use
securitization,
the
rate
impact
will
be
reduced
and
securitization
actually
benefits
customers
in
two
ways.
So
there
are
savings
that
will
be
recognized
from
reduced
financing
costs,
but
there's
also
the
ability
to
spread
costs
over
a
longer
period.
F
So
we
have
about
80
million
dollars
in
storm
costs
that
we've
experienced
in
the
last
few
years.
You
will
have
heard
about
the
ice,
storms
and
the
flooding
in
Eastern
Kentucky,
but
because
of
securitization
we'll
be
able
to
spread
those
costs
over
the
20-year
life
of
the
securitization
Bond,
instead
of
recovering
them
in
the
normal
way
of
three
years.
So
we
would
normally
spread
the
80
million
dollars
over
three
years.
So
you
know
once
again,
securitization
real
really
be
helpful
for.
A
Me
can
I
ask
you
a
question
related
to
that
I
know
you
had
the
storm
costs,
whether
they
be
floods
or
whatever
is.
A
Are
those
types
of
losses,
insurable
or
and
if
so,
did
you
have
insurance
or
just
what
about
that.
F
We
did
at
the
Time
explore
to
see
if
there
were
any
programs
to
help
with
recovery,
and
we
were
unable
to
find
those.
Thank.
G
You
yeah
I,
think
acts
of
nature
generally
are
not
you
know,
covered
and,
and
the
thing
about
securitization
is
that
you
know
we
will
file
at
the
PSC
and
then
we
will
pursue
financing,
so
you
know
it
it
may
be
into
next
year
before
we
know
what
the
you
know,
outcome
of
all
of
that
is
moving
on
to
our
long-term
goals.
G
I
mentioned
Economic
Development,
certainly
as
I
said,
we're
a
leader
in
that
area
and
intend
to
continue
and
Amy's
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
Economic,
Development
more
in
a
minute
and
then
partnering
to
help
with
housing
and
Energy
Efficiency
and
then
expanding
our
demand
side
management
programs.
We
have
some
plans
around
that
as
well.
F
So,
along
the
lines
of
Economic
Development,
Kentucky
Power
revamped
its
efforts
in
2012.,
and
that
was
the
same
year
that
we
hired
Insight
Consulting
to
perform
a
gap
analysis
to
see
what
the
region
really
needed,
because
at
that
time
we
weren't
getting
requests
for
information
from
Industries
looking
to
move
to
Eastern
Kentucky
in
2015
we
developed
the
Kentucky
Power
economic
growth
grant
program
and
that
allows
us
to
spend
about
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year.
F
That's
dedicated
to
Economic
Development
and
it's
used
in
the
forms
of
Workforce
training
and
site
development
and
then
support
of
the
Local
Economic
Development
agencies
like
Ashland
Alliance
and
one
East
Kentucky.
We
also
have
two
dedicated
employees
that
spend
most
of
their
time
working
in
Economic
Development,
many
of
them.
Many
of
you
know
them
Bob
shurtleff
is
is
here
today
with
us
and
then
Amanda
Clark
covers
the
Ashland
area.
Likewise,
Cindy
and
I
have
both
received
Economic
Development
training,
but
it's
truly
the
long
game.
F
So
we
spend
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
on
economic
development,
but
the
projects
there
are,
you
know,
sewer
extensions
to
industrial
parks
or
roads
to
industrial
parks.
We've
worked
on
about
seven
industrial
parks
in
Eastern
Kentucky,
and
you
know
our
sites
now
are
becoming
business
ready
and
we've
been
fortunate.
This
year
our
economic
development
team
has
responded
to
20,
rfis,
20
requests
for
information
from
industry,
looking
to
locate
in
Eastern
Kentucky
and
that's
17
billion
dollars
in
projects.
F
You
know
we
can't
say
how
much
of
it
will
land
in
Eastern
Kentucky,
but
you
know
it
we're
hopeful
that
that
some
of
it
will
one
of
the
success
stories
that
we
have
is
the
Hager
Hill
industrial
site
in
Paintsville.
That's
a
15-acre
site
that,
through
kpeg
and
through
some
other
funding,
they
have
is
site
ready.
Now,
and
it
is,
you
know
it's
being
marketed
and
there
is
a
potential
tenant
there.
G
So
one
of
the
things
I'm
really
becoming
more
and
more
passionate
about
I
mentioned
already
is:
is
housing
and
the
housing
stock?
That
I
think
we
have
I
mean
it's
hard
to
find
really
good
data
on
the
conditions
and
the
situations.
But
you
know
we
have
found
some
through
Arc,
but
I
just
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
what
we
are
seeing
in
electric
usage.
G
G
She
lives
in
a
single
wide
trailer
in
Ashland
and
she's,
one
of
those
that
had
a
900
power
bill,
but
it
was
because
she
used
over
6
000
kilowatt
hours
of
electricity
and
I
challenge
any
of
you
to
look
back
at
your
power
bills
and
I
promise
you
you're
not
using
that
much
unless
you're
living
in
a
mansion
they're,
you
know
the
average
customer
in
Kentucky
Power
uses
1300
kilowatt
hours.
G
This
customer
used
over
6
000
kilowatt
hours
and
so
anything
she's
heating
with
and
she
and
I
don't
know
her
circumstances
if
she's,
a
renter
or
not,
but
anything
she's
heating
is
going
right
back
outside
in
the
you
know,
in
the
heart
of
Winter
and
so
their
heating
Source
issues,
you
know,
strip
heating,
portable
heating,
and
you
know
a
portable
heater
can
can
cause
your
bill
to
jump
50
bucks
in
a
month
just
like
that.
G
So
I'm
I'm
saying
all
this,
because
it
is
a
real
issue
for
us
and
while
we
can't
change
all
of
the
housing
in
the
in
Eastern
Kentucky,
we're
certainly
committed
to
helping
and
supporting
that
and
again
welcome.
I
do
I
mean
I
know
there
are
some
initiatives
underway
in
that
area,
but
we
can't
do
enough
to
help
with
housing
and
then
on
the
Energy
Efficiency
side,
and
so
what
we
can
do.
Kentucky
Powers.
G
We
have
just
completed
a
market
study
to
reintroduce
Energy
Efficiency
programs
back
to
our
customers.
That
requires
regulatory
approval
and
will
take
place
over
the
next
year,
we'll
seek
for
approval
to
roll
those
in
over
the
next
two
or
three
years,
but
that
those
will
be
tools
that
we
can
use
to
help
customers,
both
residential
and
our
commercial.
G
Our
business
customers-
and
you
know
we
have
customer
service
folks
who
who
visit
our
customers
at
their
homes
if
they
request
it,
and
so
this
is
a
an
excellent
tool
if
we
could
have
those
back
so
that
so
Energy
Efficiency
is
a
big
deal
for
us.
G
That
is
something
that
we
can
have
an
impact
on,
but
housing
is
a
a
is
an
even
bigger
deal,
so
that
actually
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
our
slide
deck
and
so
I
just
want
to
close
with
to
let
you
know
that
we're
acutely
aware
of
the
systemic
issues
in
Eastern,
Kentucky
and,
as
I
said,
we're
trying
to
do
everything
we
can
to
balance
what
we
invest
in
infrastructure
with
rates.
G
It's
a
daily
discussion
at
our
company
and
we
are
committed
to
helping
in
these
areas
and
housing,
Energy
Efficiency
rate
mitigation,
making
contributions,
we've
made
just
in
the
housing
alone,
probably
over
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
housing
agencies
and
from
through
our
AAP
foundation
in
the
past
few
years
and
plan
to
do
more.
We
have
employees
who
are
volunteering
in
these
areas
and
we
plan
to
do
more
of
that
too,
and
then
always
at
top
of
mind,
is
improving
reliability
and
safety
for
our
customers
and,
of
course,
our
employees.
A
Okay,
let
me
have
a
couple
of
questions.
You
mentioned
that
you're,
you
know
you're
you're,
I,
guess
your
sales
are
down
because
people
have
migrated
from
much
of
East
Kentucky.
So
the
demand
is
less.
What
what
percent
did
you
say?
It
was
down.
G
A
Coal
mines
are
a
huge
load
right
whale.
What
percent
of
the
power
that
you
are
supplying
to
your
customers
at
Kentucky
Power?
What
percent
of
that
is
generated
in
the
state
of
Kentucky.
G
Well,
we
have
our
Big
Sandy
plant,
which
is
about
300
megawatts
295
megawatts
I,
don't
know
what
the
exact
percentage
is,
but
that
and
then
we
own
50
ownership
of
the
Mitchell
plant,
which
is
a
Coal
Fire
plant,
but
in
West
Virginia
we
will
be
out
of
that
in
2028
as
it
stands
right
now,
and
you
know
we
have
a
before
the
commission
right
now
we
have
an
integrated
resource
plan
being
reviewed,
it's
our
IRP,
that's
what
commissions
or
utilities
are
required
to
file
every
three
years
and
that's
the
15
year
look
at
what
we
think
our
generation
needs
are
I'm,
not
sure
the
exact
percentage
of
what
we
produce
I
mean
we
do
purchase
power
off
the
market
too.
G
You
know
we
always
pursue
the
least
cost
option
for
our
customers
is.
Is
you
know
one
of
the
criteria
that
we
use
yeah.
A
But
you're
I
mean
you're
gonna,
you're
gonna
sell
what
you're
generating
first
and
then,
if,
if,
instead
of
going
somewhere
else,
you're
going
to
get
the
least
cost
option,
if
it
means
going
to
the
grid
yeah,
which
timing
is,
is
pretty
much
determinative
of
whether
it's
going
to
be
cheaper
or
not.
A
What
percent
do
you
have
a
do?
You
have
a
on
your
average
that
you're
that
you're,
generating
and
you're
selling
to
your
customers.
Do
you
have
a
breakdown
of
what
the
sources
are
like?
What
percent
is
coal?
What
percents
natural
gas?
What
percent
is
other
sources,
be
it
Hydro
win,
sold
or
whatever
so.
G
Kentucky
doesn't
have
wind
or
solar
or
Hydro,
we
have
coal
and
gas
and
our
you
know
we're
pursuing
I,
don't
know
what
the
exact
percentages
are.
I,
don't
even
point,
but
we
have
you
know
we.
We
have
intentions,
you
know
as
we
move
forward
because
we
do
need
to
acquire,
especially
with
with
our
Mitchell
expiration
in
2028.
G
We
need
to
acquire
some
new
generation,
so
in
our
IRP
that
I
mentioned
we're.
Looking
at
a
you
know,
increase
gas,
perhaps
extending
the
life
of
Big
Sandy
plant,
building
a
another
gas
plant
or
a
coal,
a
CT
or
a
cc,
a
coal
combustion
turbine
or
and
then
also
Renewables.
G
F
A
Okay
and
see
if
we
can
get
sure
exact
percentage
that
would
be
good
for
for
us
to
have
during
the
I
guess
the
situation
we
had
in
late
December
around
December,
the
20th
third,
fourth,
fifth:
whatever
did
you
Force
any
customers
to
turn
off
either
electricity,
or
did
you
have
any
brown
outs
associated
with
that
event
for
customers
in
Kentucky,
Power.
G
Luckily,
we
did
not
we,
but
we
were
part
of
pjm
and
so
PGM
did
Issue
a
call
to
conserve
electricity
and
asked
all
of
the
utilities
in
the
pjm
footprint.
To
do
the
same,
so
we
did
send
out
messages
to
customers.
G
I
think
it
started
literally
in
the
middle
of
the
night
heading
into
Christmas
Eve,
and
we
had
a
call
to
conserve
I
think
through
the
late
evening
of
Christmas
Eve
or
maybe
the
very
early
morning
of
Christmas
day.
But
fortunately
we
were.
You
know
we
avoided
any
kind
of
outages
in
our
in
our
territory.
F
The
one
thing
I
would
add
to
that
is
that
most
of
the
utilities
in
the
state
have
an
interruptible
service
tariff,
yes,
which
allows
customers
to
pay
lower
rates
throughout
the
year
so
that
they
can
be
interrupted
in
these
times
where
you
know
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
enough.
Energy
in
the
market
and
I
think
we
had
three
or
four
that
may
have
been
interrupted
for
a
brief
period
of
time,
but
they
received
the
benefit
of
lower
rates
and
that
they
expected
that
they
would
be
interrupted.
Yeah
and
it's
a
good
point.
Yeah.
G
That,
maybe
even
they
weren't,
probably
operating
at
full
speed
over
the
Christmas
holiday.
A
We
in
in
in
West
Kentucky
we
had
some
situations
where
there
actually
were
brownouts,
and
you
know
you
I
know
that
some
of
the
Industrials,
such
as
coal
mines
that
were
operating
were
warned
that
they
could
have
to
pay
a
lot
more
if
they
didn't
cut
back
and
the
problem
with
with.
That
is
that
you
know
if
you've
got
people
underground.
You
know
you.
A
Three
or
four
500
people
working,
but
even
if
it's
two
or
three
hundred
and
they're
underground
it
takes
time
to
get
those
people
out.
You
can't
just
shut
off
the
power
to
those
types
of
customers,
because
you
know
you
got
fans
that
has
to
keep
error
going,
that
sort
of
thing,
and
so
there
that
was
a
dilemma
for
those
folks
I'm,
not
sure
they
should
even
be
eligible
for
any
type
of
tariff.
A
But
my
other
question
to
you
is:
you
know
we
saw
that
for
the
first
time
ever,
Kentucky
had
brownouts
and
blackouts,
not
specifically
your
utility,
but
but
others
did
we'd
never
experienced
that
before,
and
we
had
been
warned
by
miso
that
the
potential
was
there
and
I
think
we
might
I.
Think
I've
got
some
indications.
That
pjm
is
saying
that
that
may
happen
again
in
the
in
the
summer.
A
So
what
we're
seeing
is
that
in
many
cases
our
utilities
can't
meet
the
demand
that
they
have
now
and
we
are
experiencing
this
huge
shift
in
this
country
to
electric
vehicles
that
have
to
be
plugged
into
the
grid
to
get
repowered
and
recharged,
and
certainly,
at
the
rate,
we're
moving,
there's
no
way
that
the
grid
is
adequate
or
the
generations
added
would
get
to
meet
that
demand.
But
since
you
have
experienced
a
20
something
percent,
it's
26
percent
decrease.
A
Do
you
still
have
excess
capacity
in
in
that
amount
or
have
you
shuttered
generation
or
whatever
to
where
you
don't
have
that
much
or
in
in
event
that
that
shift
does
happen?
We'll
K
will
Kentucky
Power
be
able
to
meet
that
increased
demand
as
we
try
to
manage
to
shift
to
electric
vehicles.
G
Yeah,
yes,
I
do
I,
mean
I,
think
I
think
we've
adjusted
as
we've
gone
along,
but
certainly
we're
in
a
position
where
we're
ready
to
acquire
a
new
generation,
and
that's
because
of
like
the
Rockport
unit
agreement
that
we
had
expired
in
December.
That
was
another
plant
that
we
were
getting
power
from,
and
then
we
have
the
Mitchell
plant
that
expires
in
2028,
which
I
know
is
a
few
years
away.
But
it's
not
that
far
away
when
you're
talking
about
you
know
bringing
on
new
generations.
G
So
we
are
working
on
that
at
a
fast
pace
to
bring
to
bring
new
generation
in
I
mean
we
have
the
luxury
of
buying
from
the
market
if
that's
affordable
and
then,
of
course
we
have
our
Big
Sandy
plant
and
then
you
know
we
still
do
have
Mitchell,
which
is
a
pretty
hefty
Coal
Fire
plant
that
provides
a
lot
of
generation
for
us,
but
we'll
be
able
to
meet
it.
G
Certainly
I
know,
I,
know
your
concerns
and
and
I
think
the
biggest
challenge
with
electric
vehicles
is
is
not
so
much
the
load
at
this
point.
But
for
me
it's
the
infrastructure
for
charging.
You
know
we
just
don't
have
that
in
Eastern
Kentucky,
and
so
until
we
see
more
growth
in
that
areas.
I
talked
to
a
car
dealer
in
Ashland
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
he
has
EVS
for
the
first
time
in
a
showroom,
but
he
you
know
he's
not
getting
any.
He
doesn't
have
demand
for
them.
Yet
so,
but.
A
H
Do
I
appreciate
the
testimony
today
and
the
power
company
and
I
think
I've
said
this
before
we
have
a
lot
of
new
members
on
this
committee.
But
you
know
the
power
company
for
me
is
a
part
of
a
family.
My
my
mother
worked
there
for
almost
30
years
and
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
outside
the
the
office
there
in
Hazard
waiting
for
her
to
get
off
work.
So
we
could
go
home
together,
but
that
period
of
time
is
very
much
a
family
atmosphere
with
the
power
company.
H
H
Having
had
that
experience
and
being
a
part
of
that
family,
but
as
we
go
forward,
the
thing
we're
tasked
with
here
is
that
our
job
is
to
take
care
of
the
ratepayers
people
that
elect
us
and
send
us
down
here
for
us
to
be
able
to
sit
in
these
chairs
and
represent
them,
while
they're
at
ball
games
or
working
at
the
the
Kroger
or
the
different
places
at
home.
So
we
can
do
that.
H
So
that
makes
our
job
pretty
tough,
sometimes
but
I
just
want
to
get
to
my
point
and
that,
as
as
I
went
back
and
read
the
first
denial
one
of
the
things
that
concerned
me
was
that
the
question
was
repeatedly
asked
the
impact
that
this
cell,
this
merger
would
have
on
the
rate
payer
and
the
reason
for
the
denial
as
it's
listed
here
was
that
that
was
never
answered.
So
I'd
like
to
give
you
all
the
chance
to
answer
that
for
our
committee.
H
G
Well,
well,
so
it
was
a
the
impact
on
wholesale
customers
is
what
you
know.
Ferc
was
concerned
with
I.
Certainly
can't
answer
that
first
question,
because
I
cannot
speak
for
Liberty
very
much.
A
Kentucky,
Power,
employee
and
I
wasn't
even
part
of
the
conversations
at
the
AEP
level
when
this
was
going
on.
But
as
far
as
future
I
mean
I
mean
I.
G
Hope
you
heard
that
what
we
were
talking
about,
we
we
do
have
to
file
rate
case
the
end
of
June,
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
keep
it
as
simple
and
as
small
as
we
can
and
as
we
mentioned,
the
securitization
is,
is
a
good
tool
that
we
have
to
help
mitigate
rates.
We're
also
looking
at
you
know
other
other
ways
that
we
can
change
the
rate
impact
I
mean
it's
been
three
years
since
we've
been
in
for
a
rate
case.
G
H
G
The
state
but
the
the
usage
is
a
big
issue
for
us
and
so
I
assure
you
we're
going
to
do
everything
we
can
I
can't
tell
you
what
the
percentage
is
going
to
be
in
this
summer.
They're
still
working
the
numbers
or
you
know
because
also
we've,
you
know
we
file
the
rate
case
processes.
Is
you
know
we
follow
a
lot
of
testimony.
We
answer
hundreds,
if
not
thousands,
of
questions
about
it.
They
look
at
everything.
G
H
Let
me
further
vet
this
out,
I
mean
so
I
mean
Ray
case
is
if
this
thing
is
granted
means
increase
and
utility
rates
across
Eastern
Kentucky,
and
most
of
us
are
still
trying
to
dig
our
way
out
of
the
flood,
and
we've
got
churches
that
are
setting
us
up.
I'd
spoken
to
representative
Puget
who's
had
a
trail
Authority
meeting
today
and
apologize
apologizes
that
he
couldn't
come
and
his
power
bill
I
believe
he
says,
has
gone
up.
H
You
know
threefold
from
what
they've
seen
before
we've
got
issues
which
we've
brought
and
talked
to
you
all
before
about
people
that
don't
have
a
home,
yet
they
have
a
power
bill,
they've
lost
their
home
and
their
farm
and
can't
even
find
the
meter
for
most
cases,
and
we
brought
some
of
those
to
your
all's
attention.
So
it's
a
pretty.
You
know
mixed
bag
for
us
back
at
home,
but
to
brush
up
my
economics
for
us
to
help
this
to
move
forward.
H
H
This
is
another
way
out
there
that
I've
seen
it
I
mean
that's
really
how
you
tackle
these
two
things,
and
so
we
either
keep
increasing
out
of
the
people
that
are
there
and
watching
an
out
migration
of
Eastern
Kentucky
that
we're
experiencing
now
or
we
invest
in
Economic
Development
and
use
these
industrial
parks
as
a
tremendous
might
for
creating
jobs.
And
we
do
that
through
energy,
as
we
discussed
yesterday
in
committee.
H
So
it
is
a
tough
tough
deal
but
I
Echo
the
sentiments
of
the
chairman,
my
co-part
cohort
here
that
I'm
worried
about
the
future
of
the
rolling
brownouts
and
where
we're
going
to
be
to
five
to
seven
years
with
what
I
see
right
now,
unless
there's
more
information
coming
from
the
power
company,
but
I'm
concerned
about
what
I
see
currently
in
East
Kentucky,
and
what
our
plan
will
be.
Now
that
this
merger
has
has
transitioned
into
what
it
is
now
you
all
plan
on
staying
or
is
it
another
sale
in
the
wings?
H
G
Yeah
well,
I
totally
agree
with
you
about
the
population
drain
and
the
economic
development
efforts.
I
mean
we
need
to
find
a
way.
I
mean
we've
lost
in
just
the
past
two
or
three
years
about
2
000
customers,
so
that
does
not
have
a
good
effect
on
rates.
You
know
when
we
spread
those
costs
back
over.
So
yes
and
that's
when
I
say
what
I'm
pretty
passionate
about
this
we've
got
to
find
a
way
to
stop
that
population
drain
if
it
would
stabilize
that
would
help.
If.
G
Do
but,
but
on
top
of
that,
we
need,
we
need
Economic
Development
economic
development
is
a
long
game.
Eastern
Kentucky
got
a
late
start
in
that
area,
and
so
that's
why,
like
our
resources,
are
kpeg
Grant,
we're
putting
into
site
development
and
and
those
types
of
things
and
then
and
then
third,
your
part
about
rate
cases,
I
mean
they're,
the
kind
of
the
necessary
evil
right
I
mean
we
that's
how
we
have
to
in.
G
In
order
to
keep
the
lights
on,
we
have
to
make
investments
in
infrastructure
and
add
generation
to
our
Fleet
and
and
upgrade
substations
and
rebuild
transmission
towers
that
have
been
around
for
70
years.
I
mean
that's,
that's
part
of
it
and
and
as
I've
said
several
times
already
here
today,
I'm
acutely
aware
of
what
that
impact
has
on
rates.
I
mean
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
to
customers
and
understand
the
you
know,
the
challenges
that
we
have
yeah.
H
And
I'll
just
wrap
up
and
I
I
hail
from
the
coal
fields
of
Eastern
Kentucky,
where
we
understand
natural
reasons,
we
have
an
abundance
of
it
and
it's
difficult
for
those
of
us
from
from
this
region
to
go
back
home
and
to
go
to
the
soccer
field
or
go
to
a
ball
game
and
to
see
you'll,
see
the
miners.
That'll
come
up
and
they've
got
the
evidence
of
a
day's
working,
they're
covered
and
dirt
and
they're
happy
to
have
those
jobs.
C
H
And
yet
they
know
their
work
is
critically
important
to
keeping
the
costs
and
the
power
on
this
country
and
keeping
those
costs
down,
and
yet
this
region
specifically
just
keeps
getting
hammered
and
hammered
and
hammered
with
more
and
more
lost.
Like
you
said,
people
pouring
out
of
the
flood
we've
been
up
here
screaming
to
try
to
get
housing
to
tell
people
don't
leave.
H
We
have
a
plan,
so
I
do
think
it's
it's
very
I'm
trying
to
think
I
can't
even
think
of
the
proper
word
but
incumbent
upon
you
to
really
come
up
with
a
clear
plan
for
us
going
forward.
That
gives
people
some
hope
and
Industry
hope
about
what's
happening
for
us
to
stem
this
flow
coming
out
of
Eastern
Kentucky
and
see
there
is
an
opportunity
to
grow
the
jobs
and
spread
this
out
instead
of
keep
piling
it
onto
people
that
can
least
afford
it.
H
Yeah
so
I
do
encourage
you
all
to
be
very
clear
about
your
intentions
and
your
plans
as
you
guys
go
forward
and
I
appreciate
the
time
to
spend
a
lot
of
me
to
speak
on
this
issue.
Mr
chairman,
thank.
G
You
we're
I
mean
we're
very
willing
to
do
our
part
I.
Don't
you
know,
I,
don't
know
that
we
can
solve
all
the
problems
of
Eastern
Kentucky,
but
we're
certainly
being
able
to
impact
what
we
can
and
I
didn't
answer
your
question
about
the
future
of
Kentucky
Power,
who
will
be
owned
by
and
as
as
far
as
I
know
we're
we
will
remain
with
AEP.
You
know,
AP
has
moved
on
and
I
think
they're.
You
know.
They've
announced
that
they're
looking
at
some
of
the
non-regulated
renewable
assets
to
sell
I
mean
they're.
G
You
know
they're
always
reviewing
their
portfolio
that
assets
and
so
I,
but
I
do
not
foresee
us
being
sold
in,
at
least
in
the
I
mean
I
have
no
idea
what
the
future
brings.
But
you
know
not
in
the
near
term
at
least.
F
And
one
other
question
that
you
asked
was
about
the
customers
that
didn't
have
homes
but
got
power
bills.
So
I
didn't
want
that
one
to
slip
by
either.
We
did
send
a
team
of
meter
inspectors
out.
You
know
after
the
flooding
and
tried
to
identify
all
of
those
customers,
but
there
were
a
few
that
you
know
for
whatever
reason
we
didn't
notice
and
they
didn't
notify
us
that
they
weren't
living
there,
and
you
know
that
that
process
was
was
automatic,
that
the
bill
went
out.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
live
in
Eastern,
Kentucky
and
I.
Just
have
a
question
you
mentioned
about
the
usage
and
a
lot
of
elderly
people
has
cut
back
due
to
their
their
price
and
or
the
cost
on
their
electric
bills.
Six
to
eight
hundred
dollars
a
month.
Do
you
have
a
game
plan
for
any
of
the
elderly?
That's
on
fixed
income
for
what's
what's
coming,
because
right
now,
with
the
usage
cutting
back
their
paying
six
to
eight
hundred
dollars,
so
do
you
have
anything
in
place
or
going
to
have
anything
in
place
for
them?
D
G
We
we
already
have
some
programs
in
place
that
will
help
customers
I
mean
those
are
along.
If
they're
struggling
payment
arrangements
and
extended
payment
plans,
we
have
two
budget
programs
that
we
try
to
try
to
get
customers
to
take
advantage
of
and
that
level
you
know
that
will
levelize
your
bill
for
the
year
and
just
adjust
a
few
dollars
at
a
time.
That
is,
that
is
the
best
tool
for
our
customers.
If
they
would,
if
they
would
sign
up
for
it,
it
doesn't
income,
doesn't
matter
anybody's
eligible.
That's
when
you
don't
get
those
winter.
G
Spikes
I
mean
we're
a
winner,
spiking
company.
We
have,
you,
know
our
highest
bills
or
winner
peaking
company.
We're
hospitals
are
in
January,
February
and
March
when
we
see
those
High
bills
and
like
right
now,
they're
they're,
really
down
yeah
so
and
we
don't
adjust
rates.
That's
just
that's
purely
usage.
You
know
that
customers
are
using
more
in
the
winter
to
heat
their
home,
so
an
electric
heating
homes,
but
going
forward
yes
and
as
one
of
us
mentioned
we're
looking
at
low-income
programs
and
what
we
can
do.
G
You
know
we
have
Assistance
programs
already.
In
addition
to
what
is
available
through
LIHEAP
and
others,
but
we
have
the
heart
and
thaw
program
too,
but
certainly
I
mean
we've
looked
at
a
lot
of
different.
You
know
these
are
a
low-income
tariff
that
we
could
offer.
If
we
could,
you
know
if
it
would
be
approved
and
if
it
makes
sense,
I
mean
so.
Yes,
we're
always
looking
for
that
and
putting
more
attention
to
it.
Now,
because
we
recognize
there's
in
addition
to
the
other
problems
in
the
in
Eastern,
Kentucky,
there's
also
an
income
problem.
G
B
D
F
And
in
that
specific
case,
I'd
be
very
interested
to
see
if
there
was
a
way
that
we
could
help
that
specific
customer
Cindy
mentioned.
You
know
that
we
do
have
customer
service
Representatives
that
you
know
occasionally
will
visit
homes
to
try
to
see
what
the
problem
is,
but
if
they
truly
have
cut
back
on
usage
and
their
bill
was
a
hundred
and
twenty
dollars,
but
is
now
six
or
eight
hundred
I
don't
I,
don't
there
has
to
be
some
problem
with
their
system?
I
would.
G
Think
yeah
I
mean
the
fuel
costs
in
the
past
year
have
been.
You
know,
everybody's
been
talking
about
that
all
over
the
country,
what
the
the
fuel
has
done
to
heating
bills
and
electric
bills.
That's
gone
down
a
lot
so
hopefully
that
that
has
passed
us.
We
won't
see
that
now
and
the
economy
maybe
will
turn
around
in
that
area.
But
you
know,
as
we
said,
we're
looking
at
programs
that
we
can
do.
We
have
things
in
place.
G
The
number
one
thing
that
we
could
ask
for
you
all
to
do
is
if
you
encounter
a
customer
like
that,
then
have
them
call
us.
As
we
said,
we
have
customer
service
reps.
We
have
the
24-hour
call
center
too,
but
we
have
people
in
Kentucky
who
can
go
to
their
homes
and
a
lot
of
times.
It's
people
who
are
who
are
elderly
and
may
not
understand
and
they'll.
Look
at
their
meter.
G
They'll
look
at
their
heat
pump,
but
we
need
them
to
answer
the
phone
when
we
call
them
and
we
need
them
to
reach
out
and
contact
us.
G
Yeah
there's
a
1-800
number
and
it's
on
the
electric
bills.
I
mean
it's
everywhere,
it's
on
our
websites
too,
but
if
it
would
be
helpful,
we
could
even
prepare
some
cards
for
you
all
if
you
know
for
our
Eastern
Kentucky
caucus.
G
If
you
wanted
to
have
something
you
could
hand
to
a
constituent
if
they
I
mean
we've
done
that
in
other
jurisdictions,
we'd
be
happy
to
to
provide
that
I
mean
that
at
least
that
would
give
you
could
hand
physically
hand
something
to
a
customer
that
they
could
take
and
reach
out
to
us,
but
certainly
we
make
ourselves
available.
A
E
Burke,
thank
you
all
for
coming
by
I
have
two
questions.
One
actually
follows
right
up
on
rep
Wesley's
question
about
programs
that
are
available
for
your
customers.
It's
it's
an
idea.
Couched
in
a
question.
Is
it
possible
to
tie
receipt
of
LIHEAP
or
a
heart
and
thaw
or
any
of
your
programs
to
a
conditional,
Energy
Efficiency
audit
like
we
will
pay
your
outstanding
amount?
If
you
let
us
come
to
your
home
and
give
you
good
light
bulbs
so
that
your
your
next
bill
won't
be
like
this?
G
It
may
be
possible,
I
mean
that's
a
good
idea
and
we've
talked
about
something
similar.
As
I
said,
we've
started
just
in
the
past
few
months,
talking
about
what
we
can
do
to
help
low
income
and
what
we
can
do
to
further
provide
assistance
through
our
heart
and
thaw
program,
and
we
work
with
the
community
action
agencies
on
all
that
to
administer
that,
so
it
it
may
be
possible.
I
mean
that's
a
that's
a
good
idea
to
to
for
us
to
vet
out.
E
Putting
the
social
workers
on
it
might
be
a
way
that
you
all
aren't
even
out
of
pocket.
You
already
have
these
good
energy
efficient
things
and
you
can
send
Community
Action
to
do
the
leg
work.
So
that's
just
an
idea.
E
Well,
they
want
to
see
their
their
yeah,
their
people
be
helped.
G
Yeah,
so
we
have
a
great
working
relationship
with
them.
We're
we're
grateful
for
them,
so
yeah
we'll,
certainly
consider
that,
as
I
said,
we're
we're
trying
to
break
down
our
customers
and
get
as
much
data
as
we
can
on
them
and
find
out.
You
know
where
the
areas
are
that
we
can
help
them.
I
mean
I,
keep
talking
about
housing,
but
I
mean
that's.
There's
a
lack
of
data
on
housing.
We've
tried
to
find
it.
I
mean
there's
some
out
there,
but
I
would
like
to
have
a
lot
more
on.
G
You
know,
county
by
county
home,
so
you
know
more
to
come
on
that.
But
yes,
I
appreciate.
E
That
idea
yeah,
certainly
and
then
my
other
question
I
really
enjoyed
hearing
about
the
money
you
all
are
investing
in
economic
development
in
housing
and
Energy
Efficiency.
My
second
question
is
about
the
economic
development
piece
has
any
of
the
money
that's
been
spent
recently
or
has
planned
to
be
spent
on
economic
Economic,
Development
relating
to
developing
sites
for
Renewables,
so
I
understand
that
closed
coal
plants
can
sometimes
be
turned
into
solar,
Farms
yeah.
Is
that
something
that's
on
your
all's
radar
either
currently
or
for
the
future?
Oh.
G
It's
definitely
on
our
radar.
We
get
inquiries
a
lot
about
people
wanting
to
either
build
solar
in
our
territory
or
ask
us
to
consider
being
an
off
taker
in
it,
and
it
seems
to
be
that's
just
increasing
even
this.
Just
this
calendar
year
from
an
economic
development
standpoint,
I
can't
recall
if
we've
given
anything
from
our
kpeg,
probably
not
because
economic
developers,
the
the
real
economic
developers
from
Lenny's,
Kentucky
and
Kad,
and
the
cabinet
I
mean
they
want.
They
want
to
see
long-term
permanent
jobs
and
sometimes
solar
Farms
don't
do
that.
G
They
don't
they
it's
not
long-term
jobs
or
construction
jobs,
but
we
do
put
a
lot
of
money
into
the
industrial
parks
and
you
know,
even
if
a
we
had
a
prospect
that
didn't
work
out
in
the
Ashland
area
a
couple
years
ago,
but
we
provided
the
money
through
a
grant
to
pave
the
road
that
led
up
to
this
building
where
they
were
considering
locating.
And
so,
while
the
prospect
didn't
work
out
that
makes
that
site
more
marketable,
because
we
did
provide
that
funding.
Those
are
the
kinds
of
kinds
of
projects
that
we're.
A
Burke
I,
like
your
ideas
on
on
the
LIHEAP
Tang,
that
to
maybe
some
energy
artists.
That
sort
of
thing
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
next
month,
this
committee
every
year,
has
to
reauthorize
that
program
or
whatever,
and
we
are
going
to
have
people
here
from
Allah
Heap
and
to
be
an
excellent
opportunity
to
to
mention
that
to
them
and
and
see
for
some
way
we
could
get
that
going.
Thank.
A
B
I
This
Senator
Smith's
mom
worked
for
power
company,
but
his
dad,
like
me,
was
a
coal
miner.
So
it's
it's
a
little
double
personal
for
those
of
us
who
worked
in
the
fossil
industry
and
chose
to
do
that
to
sit
here
and
see
our
power
rates
go
from
some
of
the
lowest
in
the
nation.
To
my
home,
where
we
sacrificed
my
brothers
and
sisters
and
myself,
you
know
to
provide
energy
for
the
nation.
So
it's
it's
it's
hard
for
me.
This
whole
topic,
I
appreciate
you
all
and
everything
you
do.
I
Freeze
Kentucky,
but
you
know
wow,
you
don't
have
to
live
with
my
mom,
her
power
bill.
You
know,
I've
had
y'all,
do
an
audits
on
my
house.
This
isn't
just
a
low
income
issue.
This
is
for
those
of
us
who
are
in
the
middle
class
struggling
every
month,
I
and
I.
Personally,
don't
I'm
blessed
more
than
most
and
I,
don't
see
how
people
are
doing
it
and
we're
going
to
have
people
die
if
we
have
another
winter
event
like
I
refer
to
my
district,
because
I
stormed
belt
yesterday,
I
think.
I
But
you
know,
and
that's
what
it
is
you
can't
afford
to.
You
can't
afford
the
power
bill.
You
know
I've
got
properties
that
people
can't
rent
because
nobody,
the
tenants,
couldn't
afford
the
power
bill
and
it
it's
it's
a
creating
an
economic
development
issue
in
and
of
itself
you
know,
Economic
Development
can
solve
it,
but
it's
also
hindering
the
ability
to
try
to
solve
it.
I
And
you
know
it's
just
I'm
a
customer
and
and
it's
you
know,
I
could
sit
here
all
day
and
say:
Woe
Is
Us
stories,
but
you
all
hear
them
too,
but
it's
it's
one
of
the
top
things
and
already
chatter,
on
Facebook
about
your
raid
hike,
you
know
and
go
to
Hazard
and
see
what
Brandon's
talking
about
I
mean
it's
it's
it's
a
problem.
People
have
to
live
in,
shelters
that
are
not
adequate
and
audit
doesn't
do
any
good.
I
Unless
you
have
the
money
to
fix
it,
yep
amen
and
are
people
going
to
die
and
we've
got
to
come
up
with
some
better
answers,
because
they're
going
to
be
shutting
off
going
to
be
shutting
off
their
power
bills,
they're
going
to
be
making
choices
about
food
and
Medicine
and
I
mean
it's
just
a
reality:
I,
don't
know
what
we're
going
to
do.
I,
don't
know
what
we're
going
to
do
and
I
don't
know
what
we're
going
to
what
to
tell
people
and
it
just
it's
very
emotional.
For
me,
yeah.
G
I
understand
that
I
mean
it's:
I
grew
up
in
a
coal
Camp
too,
until
I
was
14,
I
had
an
orange
cat.
That
was
black
all
the
time
and
I.
You
know
so.
I
I
get
I,
get
that
the
history
of
it
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
like
to
see
what's
happening
either.
G
Trust
me-
and
you
know,
I
started
the
presentation
by
saying
that
we
have
challenges
ahead
of
us
and
and
that's
truth
and
it's
a
not
just
the
Eastern
Kentucky
situation
is
affecting
the
Financial
Health
of
Kentucky
Power,
which
I
have
now
have
responsibility
for,
and
so
you
know,
I
heed
the
challenge
that
Senator
Smith
said
about
doing
everything
you
can
to
do
for
economic
development
and
the
population
drain.
You
know
we
will
certainly
do
our
part,
but
we
need
you
know
we
need
Partners.
We
can't.
G
We
can't
change
the
economy
by
ourselves
in
Eastern
Kentucky.
We
will
do
what
we
can
to
mitigate
rates
for
customers
and
then
work
with
them
to
help
them
use
electricity
better
and
more
efficiently.
So
love
to
sit
down
with
you
one-on-one
since
we're
both
in
Ashland
and
talking
more
about
that
sometime
and
try
to
come
up
with
some
some
good
ideas.
Well,.
I
And
by
my
Mr
chairman,
you
know
when
I
was
when
we
had
the
Liberty
discussion,
some
I
think
there
was
a
question
earlier
about
what
would
have
happened.
I
think
we
know
what
would
have
happened.
You
know
I
wasn't
real
high
on
all
that,
but
we
did
have
discussions
about
solar,
the
potentiality
of
solar
and
utilization
of
some
formerly
mined
lands
for
that
with
liberty
and
all
you
know
my
caveat
was
keep
it
off
my
Farmland,
but
go
ahead
and
see
what
you
can
do.
I
Is
there
any
plans
in
the
future
for
diversification,
your
portfolio
along
those
lines
that
might
provide
some
relief
to
communities
and
rate
payers.
G
Yes,
and
probably
what
we
need
to
do
is
get
like
a
one-pager
of
IRP
and
give
it
to
you
all
and
just
for
information.
So
you
would
have
that
because
that
is
before
the
commission
now
and
through
the
course
of
the
Year
you'll
you'll
be
hearing
more
about
that,
but
that
way
you'll
get
to
see
it
a
snapshot.
It's
I
think
it's
a
couple
hundred
pages
long.
G
G
You
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
has
to
be
the
least
cost
option,
so
we
can
file
an
IRP
today
and
it
could
be
different
tomorrow,
depending
on
you
know.
We
just
had
new
federal
the
111d
regulations
that
came
down,
and
so
those
are
still
being
figured
out
and
we'll
maybe
for
a
couple
years,
but
you
know
that
that
also
can
change
what
we
what
we
do
going
forward
too
I,
you
know
I,
don't
really
we
don't
I,
don't
know
enough
about
it.
Yet
to
know
that
for
sure
but
yep
thank
you,
representative.
J
Flannery
two
questions:
please
Mr,
chairman.
First,
all
the
testimony
that
I've
heard
not
just
today
but
from
last
two
three
years
on
this
committee
is
that
we
are
not
ready
for
the
projected
shift
to
electric
vehicles
that
it
seems
very
consistent
from
persons
that
that
work
in
this
industry
that
are
experts.
It
appears
to
me
that
small
modular
reactors
could
could
be
a
help,
be
curious.
What
your
thoughts
are
on
that
and
any
possibilities
that
that
could
be
utilized
to
help,
maybe
as
a
tool
in
the
toolbox.
J
Second,
questions
second
question
would
be
any
estimate
as
to
how
many
qualified
customers
are
not
utilizing.
Liheap
that
that
may
qualify.
J
G
I,
try
to
answer
that
one
I
I
don't
know
the
number
of
our
customers
who
are
not
using
La
Heap,
who
would
be
eligible
for
I.
Think
the
problem
is
that
the
run
out
of
funding
before
everyone
can
take
advantage
of
it.
So
that's
why
I
say
with
our
heart
and
thaw
program,
which
is
just
Kentucky
Powers
program,
we're
looking
at
ways
to
add
either
more
funding
or
to
change
the
criteria
so
that
more
customers
can
take
advantage
of
it
and
then
from
the
I'm.
G
Not
an
EV
expert
I'll
admit,
but
you
know
I,
like
I,
said
earlier:
I,
don't
think
the
infrastructure
is
there
yet
the
charging
infrastructure
and
I
don't
think
for
us.
The
the
demand
in
Kentucky
I
mean
we.
We
have
it
on
our
list.
I
mean
we're
looking
at
it.
What
we
can
we
do
to
you
know
we
we
want
to
be
Progressive
too.
G
We
want
to
push
this
forward,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
ready
when
people
do
say:
I
want
an
EV,
but
you
know
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we're
quite
there
yet
and.
A
Then
I
think
one
of
the
questions
we
refer
to
the
small
modular.
A
And
I
do
think
that
there's
definitely
potential
there,
but
it
seems
that
the
the
process
of
getting
the
permitting
is
still
very
long
term
and
it.
It
seems
to
me
that,
even
though
there's
great
potential
there,
it's
not
going
to
happen
very
quickly
because
of
the
ability
of
permits
and
that
sort
of
thing.
Any
comments
on.
G
That
well
I
mean
so
Amy's
participating
on
the
nuclear
working
group
and
I'll.
Let
her
talk
about
that,
but
you
know
any
type
of
generation
source
as
we
were
talking
earlier,
I
mean
you
know
when
we
were
talking
about
scrubbing
Coal
fire
power
plants
a
few
years
ago.
You
know
we're
talking
about
billions
of
dollars,
and
so
that's
hard
to
get
your
mind
around
when
you're
talking
about
that
much
money,
and
so
anything
with
generation
is
expensive.
It
also
takes
a
long
time.
G
So
you
know
permitting
is
one
thing
but
building,
because
we
were
looking
at
like
possibly
a
a
small
gas
peaker
plant
or
something
for
our
property
and
our
territory,
and
you
know
it
could
be
a
it
could
take
10
years
to
get
that
built
if
we
started
today
so
I
think
the
nuclear
is
an
intriguing
option.
I
think
it
could
be
an
option.
I
think
it
will
come
back
to
the
cost.
F
But
Cindy
said
I
was
participating
on
the
nuclear
working
group.
I
am
not
we're
very
fortunate.
One
of
our
sister
companies
has
real
experts
that
have
worked
at
nuclear
plants,
so
I
asked
them
to
do
it,
but
we're
excited
about
being
a
part
of
the
conversation
and
you
know
fully
participating
in
the
working
group.
Mr.
I
H
Yeah
I,
just
if
I
could
wanted
to
point
out
that
we
do
have
the
Public
Service
Commission
head
back
here
with
us,
commissioner
Kent
Chandler,
and
we
have
one
of
our
new
members
that
was
just
confirmed
by
the
Senate
former
representative
Angie
hadn't
like
to
ask
them
to
stand
up
and
let
them
be
welcome
from
our
committee
and
also
just
say.
If
you
all
have
any
comments,
you're
welcome
to
to
make
them
so
welcome
back.
A
County
boy
or
a
refusing
to
answer
comment,
so
it's
great
it's
good
to
see,
y'all
and
and
congratulations,
commissioner
Hatton.
So,
ladies
and
I
think
that
pretty
much
concludes
that
questions
that
we
had
for
you.
We
appreciate
your
presentation
today
and
if,
unless
anyone
has
any
thing
else,
this
meeting
is
adjourned.