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A
Good
afternoon,
everyone
I'd
like
to
call
this
second
meeting
of
the
interim
joint
committee
on
families
and
children
to
order
and
welcome
you
all
here
today
and
would
ask
the
secretary
to
please
call
the
roll.
C
A
We
do
have
a
quorum
and
we'll
have
the
ability
to
conduct
business
today
before
we
get
into
the
agenda.
There's
some
introductions
you
like
to
make.
We
have
some
Representatives
here
from
the
organization
voices
of
the
Commonwealth
who
advocate
for
foster,
Youth
and
I
would
ask
that
the
members
please
stand
and
these
these
individuals
are
former
Foster
Youth,
and
we
welcome
you
here
and
thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you
do.
A
It's
it's
meaningful
and
it's
a
large
part
of
what
this
committee
is
all
about,
and
we
hope
to
work
with
you
in
the
future
to
to
make
situations
better
for
our
youth,
especially
those
that
are
in
foster
care
and
make
sure
that
we're
providing
quality
services
and
make
sure
that
young
people,
like
you,
have
a
bright
future
that
you
can
work
towards.
So
thank
you
for
being
here.
E
A
Do
we
have
any
other
introductions
that
need
to
be
made
Senator,
Elkins,
I'm,
sorry,
I
haven't
been
around
you
enough
yet
to
learn
your
face.
You
have
your
introduction,
sir.
That's.
F
Fine,
yes
and
thank
you
Mr
chair
I'd,
like
to
introduce
Josh
Windham,
he's
returning
Point
USA
he's
here
today,
observing
watching
touring
and
learning
and
we're
sitting
on
the
committee
meeting
showing
thank
you
Josh
for
being
here.
A
Any
others
very
good
you
had
the
minutes
from
the
June
21st
meeting
in
your
folder
and
I
would
entertain
a
motion
to
adopt.
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all,
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
oppose
no
motion,
carries
minutes
are
approved
from
the
June
21st
2023
meeting
into
today's
agenda.
The
purpose
of
the
meeting
today
is
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
federal
funds
and
state
funds
that
have
been
coming
into
the
Commonwealth
for
the
past
couple
years
in
relation
to
child
care
and
to
talk
about
how
that
funding
has
been
invested.
A
What
are
some
of
the
results
as
a
result
that
have
occurred
because
of
those
Investments,
and
we
have
some
providers
that
are
here
today
also
to
to
look
at
from
a
front-line
aspect,
from
teachers
from
from
owners
to
directors
on
how
this
funding
has
helped?
We
have
some
very
difficult
decisions
to
make
as
we
go
into
a
budget
cycle.
What
investments
do
we
do?
We
need
to
continue
to
make
in
child
care
as
we
move
forward?
Is
its
sustainability
payments
Is
it
child
care
assistance
for
teachers
within
our
facilities?
A
What
are
the
Investments
that
are
going
to,
or
have
shown
home
to
produce
the
most
benefit?
You
all
know
how
crucial
Child,
Care
is
and
coming
into
this
next
session.
I,
don't
know
that
there's
any
one
topic
that
is
more
important
than
that,
and
it's
going
to
Garner
quite
a
bit
of
attention,
and
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
uncertainty
on
what
the
investment
will
need
to
be
and
how
we
can
continue
to
grow
centers
throughout
the
Commonwealth
and
sustain
what
we've
got
it's
about
quality.
A
It's
about
the
number
of
centers,
it's
about
different
types
of
providers,
making
sure
that
we
are
utilizing
each
type
of
Provider
to
their
maximum
capacity.
It's
a
Workforce
issue.
It's
an
economy
issue
touches
almost
everything
that
we
do
here
in
Frankfort
and
so
that
that's
the
importance
of
it.
We're
going
to
start
out
today
with
just
a
general
discussion
on
the
child
care
funding
that
came
in
and
we
had
the
director
of
the
division
of
child
care
for
the
Commonwealth
injury
a
day
is
here
and
Andrea.
If
you
would
please
come
to
the
table.
G
H
G
So,
thank
you
very
much
for
this
invitation
to
come
and
share
with
you
what
DCC
has
done
with
the
historic
investment
that
has
been
made
in
child
care.
Through
the
American
Rescue
plan,
the
Commonwealth
was
awarded
over
763
million
dollars,
so
three
quarters
of
a
billion
dollars
that
were
was
specifically
dedicated
to
child
care,
this
historic
investment
to
the
child
care
industry
and
into
the
economy,
and
you
know
it
really
helps
stabilize
uncertain
uncertain
times.
During
the
pandemic,
the
largest
portion
of
those
funds,
470
million,
were
designated
for
stabilization
payments
and
DCC.
G
We
chose
to
issue
those
in
nine
payments
quarterly
those
began
in
October
of
2021.
The
eighth
payment
is
being
made
this
week
with
the
ninth
payment
to
be
made
in
September
the
second
stream
of
funding,
which
was
over
293
million.
We
were,
we
were
able
to
be
a
little
more
flexible
with
those
funds,
but
they
needed
to
focus
on
increasing
provider
payments,
improving
payment
practices,
increasing
wages
for
Early
Childhood
Educators
and
to
build
the
supply
of
child
care
for
underserved
populations.
G
Excuse
me,
so
here
are
some
of
the
things
that
we
have
done.
We
have
in
July
of
2021
we
increased
the
provider,
reimbursement
rate
from
the
40th
percentile
of
the
market
rate
survey
to
the
80th
percentile
of
the
market
rate
survey.
But
what
does
that
really
mean?
Prior
to
July?
2021
DCC
was
reimbursing
providers
at
the
40th
percentile
of
what
providers
could
charge
private
pay
families,
so
we
have
increased
that
to
the
80th
that
way,
there's
more
equality
there
and
providers
are
able
to
to
have
more
funds
available
to
them
through
that
initiative.
G
It's
also
important
to
note
that
in
the
2021
regular
session,
House
Bill
405
gave
an
additional
two
dollars
per
day
on
that
CCAP
reimbursement
rate
and
the
cabinet
has
used
State
Physical
recovery
funds
to
continue
that
in
this
state
fiscal
year,
and
next,
we've
also
instituted
a
transitional
exit
from
the
child
care
assistance
partner
program.
That
means
we
are
going
to
pay
50
percent
of
the
child
care
rate
for
six
months
for
families
who
are
no
longer
eligible
and
exceed
85
percent
of
the
state
median
income.
G
We
also
began
paying
on
enrollment
versus
attendance,
which
means
that
the
provider
is
paid
for
CCAP
children,
regardless
of
attendance,
and
this
mirrors
what
most
private
pay
families
encounter
if
you're
on
vacation,
you
still
pay
for
your
child
care
that
had
not
historically
been
something
we
had
done
with
the
CCAP
program.
So
we
put
that
measure
in
to
help
providers
as
well.
G
We
also
had
two
separate
trainers,
academies
one
focused
on
serving
children
with
special
needs
and
one
serve.
One
was
on
director
skills
because
I
know.
A
lot
of
you
have
heard
a
lot
that
your
best
teacher
gets
promoted
to
director
and
they
have
no
business
Acumen
whatsoever.
So
this
was
a
way
for
us
to
support
those
directors
to
give
them
the
skills
they
needed
to
address
those
administrative
issues
and
to
make
more
Sound
business
decisions
moving
forward.
G
We
also
did
a
preschool
partnership
grants
to
support
children
who
qualify
for
CCAP
and
children
with
special
needs
who
get
IEP
Services
through
three
hour,
public
preschool
that
they
were
able
to
then
get
full
day
child
care
services
so
that
their
families
could
continue
to
work
and
we're
also
currently
working
to
secure
a
billing
and
enrollment
system
that
would
be
offered
to
all
of
our
regulated
providers.
G
This
system
would
relieve
some
administrative
burden,
but
it
would
also
give
the
state
some
more
information,
because
what
we
found
we
know
what
child
care
capacity
is
based
on
what
the
State
Fire
Marshal
says
that
they
can
serve
in
that
building.
We
don't
know
true
enrollment.
We
can
tell
you
that
for
the
child
care
assistance
program,
but
we
can't
tell
you
that
for
private
pay,
so
this
is
an
Avenue
for
us
to
get
that
aggregate
data
to
give
a
truer
picture
of
what
the
child
care
landscape
looks
like
in
Kentucky.
G
We
also
tried
to
be
very
creative
in
offering
a
multitude
of
startup
grants
to
try
to
get
people
to
open
up
a
new
business.
As
you
can
see
here,
we
have
the
Business
Partnership
grant
that
was
up
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
matching
funds
for
businesses
to
start
their
own
Child
Care
Program,
to
support
their
employees.
We
had
five
of
those
we
also
focused
on
Child
Care
deserts,
because
over
60
percent
of
Kentucky's
counties
are
considered
a
child
care
desert,
and
that's
not
just
your
rural
areas.
G
Deserts
exist
in
Lexington
and
Jefferson
County
as
well.
There's
pockets
all
around
so,
but
we
we
focused
on
the
deserts.
We
also
did
a
Community
Partnership
grant.
That
was
more
of
a
community
like
a
501c3,
a
local
government
and
maybe
a
school
system
coming
together
to
develop
and
to
open
a
Child,
Care
Program,
but
also
to
have
a
Community
Education
piece
to
that.
To
really
inform
communities
about
the
importance
of
child
care
and
how
it
is
it's
not
it's
not
just
Child
Care
children
are
going
there
to
learn.
They
are
safe.
G
G
We've
had
62
folks
take
advantage
of
that,
and
those
are
up
to
five
thousand
dollars
for
them
to
get
all
the
materials
they
need
pay
for
their
zoning
fees,
which
varies
from
County
to
County,
so
that
they
can
start
and
have
a
small
business
in
their
home.
We
also
have
offered
an
intergenerational
care
Grant.
We
offered
facility
repair
grants
for
providers
up
to
ten
thousand
dollars
so
that
they
could
make
health
and
safety
related
improvements
to
their
properties,
whether
it
be
an
updated
HVAC,
new
doors
that
were
more
secure.
G
There
was
a
multitude
of
reasons
for
that
Grant,
but
we
had
1255
of
our
providers
that
did
take
advantage
of
that,
and
then
we
are
currently
offering
technology
grants
to
our
providers
up
to
a
thousand
dollars
for
them
to
secure
the
technology.
To
again
it's
about
alleviating
that
administrative
burden
for
them
to
have
all
their
records
in
one
place
and
be
able
to
track
their
business.
How
that's
working
and
have
a
truer
picture
versus,
maybe
not
being
so
organized
the
next
slide.
Please
this
one.
G
G
74
percent
of
those
Awards
have
gone
to
Associates
or
bachelor's
degrees
in
iece,
which
is
interdisciplinary
early
childhood
education.
These
Awards
have
been
all
over
the
state.
Eight
public
universities
have
benefited
from
this
as
well
as
13
out
of
the
16
Community
and
Technical
College
systems.
So
you
know
it's
hitting
every
corner
of
the
state
and
investing
in
early
childhood
Educators
scholarships
is
also
included
in
the
preschool
partnership
grant
that
was
awarded
to
the
governor's
office
of
early
childhood
education.
G
This
slide
shows
you
how
we've
kind
of
we
had
a
dip
in
providers
as
well
as
capacity
I'm,
happy
to
say
that
we
have
rebounded.
We
anticipated
when
the
pandemic
started,
that
we
were
going
to
lose
40
percent
of
our
providers.
As
you
can
see,
we've
we're
we
are
140.
We
have
140
less
providers
now
than
we
did
starting
in
2019,
and
our
capacity
has
also
rebounded
to
almost
pre-pandemic
numbers.
G
G
G
One
of
the
one
way
we
have
recruited
I
guess
you
could
say
more
families.
As
we
increased
the
CCAP
eligibility
threshold,
we
were
to
be
eligible
for
CCAP.
Prior
to
the
pandemic.
We
were
at
160
percent
of
the
federal
poverty
guideline.
We
moved
that
to
200
percent
in
January
of
2022,
making
more
families
eligible
and
then
in
July
of
2022.
G
We
also
are
offering
the
child
care
employee
income
exclusion.
So
what
that
means
is,
if
you
work
in
a
regulated,
Child,
Care
Program
and
you
meet
all
of
the
technical
eligibility
requirements
for
child
care
assistance
program.
All
of
your
household
income
will
be
excluded
and
you
will
receive
CCAP
the
process
Remains,
the
Same.
G
You
have
to
turn
it
in
all
of
your
verification,
but
this
was
really
a
benefit
to
employees,
but
it
was
also
a
benefit
to
providers,
because
this
was
an
added
benefit
that
didn't
that
the
providers
don't
have
to
pay
for
most
of
them
offer
scholarships
to
their
employees.
So
then
that
ultimately
affects
their
bottom
line.
G
This
was
a
way
for
us
to
offer
a
recruitment
and
retention
benefit
for
providers
so
that
they
could
compete
with
hospitality
and
Retail
and
the
packages
that
they
received
there
and
then
the
the
last
thing
we
have
done
is
the
transitional
child
care
assistance.
So
when
a
family
exits
from
traditional
CCAP,
we
are
using
arpa
funds
to
pay
50
of
their
child
care
rate
for
six
months.
As
many
of
you
know,
the
greatest
benefit
Cliff
a
family
can
face.
G
Is
the
child
care
benefit
Cliff
when
families
exceed
income
guidelines
they're
expected
to
assume
the
entire
cost
of
child
care
overnight?
Most
families
can't
do
that.
So
we
used
arpa
funding
to
do
this.
While
this
we
have
benefited
many
families.
This
is
not
something
that
we
can
continue
when
the
arpa
funds
expire,
because
the
child
care
and
development
block
grant
does
not
allow
for
those
funds
to
be
used
for
families
who
exceed
85
percent
of
the
state
median
income.
G
And
I
know:
I
went
over
that
very
fast.
The
stabilization
payments,
the
last
arpa
stabilization
payment,
will
be
made
in
September
of
this
year.
All
other
initiatives
will
come
to
an
end
in
September
2024..
G
You
know
and
we're
all
brainstorming
trying
to
think
of
what
is
next.
How
can
we
sustain
all
the
good
work
that
we
have
started
in
the
state?
You
know
I'm
very
proud,
to
sit
in
this
chair
because,
with
these
innovative
ideas,
Kentucky
has
received
a
lot
of
national
attention
because
we
have
been
forward
thinkers
and
you
know
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
continue
with
these
programs
at
the
conclusion
of
the
funding.
A
Thank
you,
Andrea
in
in
looking
at
the
results
and
looking
at
the
data
you
all
have
compiled
to
this
point,
are
you
all
going
to
be
prepared
by
session
to
make
recommendations
on
what
you
all
feel
like?
That's,
that
would
be
most
a
best
investment
of
our
dollars
to
ensure
growth
and
to
increase
the
number
of
slots
in
the
state
for
child
care.
Yes,.
A
Is
there
any
anything
you
all
have
learned
through
this
process
has
just
really
stuck
out
that
you
didn't
anticipate
that
that
has
really
been
helpful
or
really
didn't
turn
out
as
well
as
you
thought
it
might.
G
Is
just
the
perception
of
child
care
and
the
overall
education
of
the
community
about
the
importance
of
child
care
and,
while
I'm
by
no
means
an
advocate
and
I,
don't
I
do
not
play
one
on
TV
either,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
heard
at
a
conference
I
recently
went
to
was
you
know
flipping
that
script
from
oh,
my
gosh
Child
Care
is
so
expensive
to
child
care
is
really
an
investment,
because
ninety
percent
of
brain
development
happens
between
the
ages
of
zero
and
five
early
intervention,
First
Step
hands.
G
All
of
those
things
can
happen
in
regulated
child
care
and
supports
can
be
provided
to
families
and
children,
and
then
that
compounds
into
that
into
community
and
family
well-being,
because
if
the
child
is
safe,
the
parent
can
work
if
the
child
is
able
to
get
say
a
therapy,
while
the
parent
is
at
work
and
behavior
modification
or
whatever
coping
mechanisms
needed.
That
has
a
ripple
effect
that
can
reduce
child
maltreatment.
Long
term
kids
are
ready
for
kindergarten
kindergarten,
their
literacy
rate,
their
reading
level
in
third
grade
is
higher
than
the
workforce.
G
Participation
rate
ultimately
is
higher.
So
it
really
is
about
what
we
invest
now
we're
for
future
for
the
future
of
our
Commonwealth.
It's
really
important
and
I.
Don't
think
a
lot
of
folks
have
thought
in
those
terms,
because
it's
just
child
care,
if
I
don't
have
that
child.
Oh
that's!
No
big
deal
I
hate
to
say
that
when
my
daughter
went
into
child
care,
I
was
like
okay,
she's,
safe
I
had
no
idea
what
went
into
it
and
you
know
the
respect
that
needs
to
come.
G
I
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I
appreciate
what
you
just
said.
Early
intervention
early
before
seven
makes
a
huge
difference
in
therapy
and
so
anytime.
If
a
parent
can't
provide
that
at
home
for
whatever
reason
having
someone
who
can
is
really
important,
I
toured
several
of
the
child
care
centers
in
Lexington
this
summer
and
one
of
which
was
a
recipient
of
the
family
grant
program
to
have
a
family
care,
and
it's
been.
It
was
a
fantastic
model
and
it
was
a
big
impact.
I
So
I
appreciate
the
emphasis
on
that
family,
centered,
Child,
Care
investment,
and
this
may
be
an
obvious
question,
and
forgive
me
if,
if
it
is,
but
if
the
federal
funding
ends
in
September,
the
new
budget
begins
July
1
2024.
What
happens
between
September
of
this
year
to
the
end
of
next
to
July,
1
of
2024.
G
So
there
are
two
buckets
of
money:
the
stabilization
payments
that
we've
been
making
quarterly.
Those
are
what
end
this
September,
but
all
the
other
discretionary
funds
that
we've
been
able
to
increase
the
eligibility
threshold,
the
transit
personal
child
care
that
does
not
end
until
September
of
2024..
I
G
At
all,
no
those
the
sustainability
payments,
the
stabilization
payments
they
had
to
be
open
and
working
as
of
March
11th
of
2021,
and
you
know,
we've
known
since
2021
that
that
deadline
was
coming
and
we
chose
to
spread
that
out
that
way,
it
would
have
a
longer
impact
financially
for
the
providers
so
that
they
could
keep
their
doors
open.
I
The
one
thing
that
I
hear
about
from
every
single
one
of
them
is
the
concern
about
that
drop
and
the
impact
of
the
cost.
To
those
who
are
I
mean
that's
going
to
go
somewhere
and
someone's
going
to
pick
it
up,
or
they
won't
be
in
that
environment,
and
it
is
a
cliff
that
I
think
we're
I'm
concerned
about.
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair.
E
C
E
E
You
and
then
I've
got
one
more
question
if
you
will
entertain
that
I
think
something
you
know:
I'm
a
big
advocate
for
child
care
and
the
importance
of
that
in
the
workforce-
and
you
know
that's
something:
I've
really
fought
for
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
probably,
and
so
my
question
is:
how
are
you
all
helping
child
cares
with
budgets
and
and
making
the
dollar
last
a
little
longer
and
I
say
this
I'm
having
a
really
hard
time
trying
to
figure
out.
E
That
would
be
great,
but
there's
got
to
be
a
bleed
somewhere
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
us
here
in
the
general
assembly
are
still
trying
to
figure
out.
Is
that
government's
place
to
help
with
those
sustainability
payments?
Because
if
it's
a
broken
system,
how
do
we
need
to
revamp
that
to
help
Child
Care
owners
be
able
to
to
fix
that?
You
know
like
what?
What
can
we
do
because
I'm
not
sold
on
a
continuing
the
sustainability
payments
so.
G
One
thing
I
can
say
is
that
the
startup
grants
that
we
offered
there
was
a
requirement
for
those
individuals
to
go
through
a
strengthening
business
practices,
training
to
really
think
about
marketing,
budgeting,
making
sure
you've
for
family
child
care.
You've
paid
yourself.
You
know
what
you're
over
at
all
those
things,
besides
just
I'm
going
to
care
for
children,
but
you
know
all
those
other
things
that
they
need
you.
So
we
have
been
focusing
on
that,
especially
with
the
startup
grants.
We
have
again
the
trainers
Academy
that
we
did
for
director
skills.
G
Budgeting
is
included
in
that
to
where
that's
a
Statewide
effort
that
we
have,
because
that's
we
heard
that
as
well.
The
business
Acumen
was
not
there.
I
can
also
tell
you
that
Child
Care
continues
to
be
on
everyone's
radar.
We
recently
met
with
the
Small
Business
Development
Center
they're,
bringing
on
coaches
and
they're
getting
trained
to
think
about.
If
someone
wants
to
open
a
child
care
business
of
what
they
need,
but
also
who
they
need
to
contact,
so
it
was,
it
was
great
to
meet
with
the
coaches,
but
then
I
was
there.
G
The
division
of
regulated,
Child
Care
was
there
to
offer
assistance
as
far
as
what
are
those
licensing
requirements:
Child
Care
aware
of
Kentucky,
who
does
all
of
our
health
and
safety
and
quality
coaching.
They
were
present
as
well
as
the
family,
Child
Care
Network.
So
we
are.
We
hear
that
and
we
are
trying
to
fill
that
Gap
again,
because
most
people
go
into
child
care
because
they
really
they're
passionate
about
children
and
they're
passionate
about
education,
not
necessarily
the
business.
E
Business,
thank
you
and
I.
Appreciate
that,
and
you
know,
I'm
a
small
business
owner
and
budgets
are
hard.
It's
tough
and
you
know
trying
to
figure
out
what
you
pay
yourself
and
all
of
that
so
I
understand
I.
Just
I
want
to
you
know.
Looking
at
you
know,
is
it
the
the
liability
insurance?
Is
it
the
the
building
itself?
E
A
And
I
need
to
spend
some
time
talking
about
that,
because
I
can
tell
you
in
great
detail
it's
quantity
versus
quality
and
it's
as
simple
as
that.
The
normal
business
model
you're,
not
under
constraints-
and
you
know
you-
can
you
sell
more
product
and
sell
more
product
and
that's
how
you
control
your
revenue
and
your
profit
in
child
care?
You
can't
do
that.
A
You
lose
money
on
babies,
you
lose
money,
you
might
break
even
on
toddlers,
so
the
only
money
you
make
is
preschool
and
and
that's
why
you
hear
providers
get
so
up
in
arms
about
Universal
public
preschool,
because
if
you
do
that
all
the
private
centers
are
going
to
close.
That's
that's
the
only
age
group
that
you
can
really
generate
revenue
on
and
you're
you're
limited
by
the
number
of
kids.
A
If
you
want
quality
that
you
can
have
the
the
teacher
child
ratio,
so
it's
very
much
a
controlled
environment
and
I
just
looked
over
our
financials
through
the
the
fiscal
year
which
ends
in
August
and
without
the
sustainability
payments
like
pre-covered
right
back
where
we
were
and
we're
a
large
Center,
we
have
110
120
kids.
We
pay
on
a
scale
we
pay
for
degrees.
You
know
the
minimum
is
13.
We
went
to
that,
but
without
the
help
you
know
we
will
rely
on
all
of
our
other
programs
to
survive.
A
Child
Care
is
going
to
continue
to
lose,
but
it's
it
it's.
You
have
to
pay
for
Quality,
so
it's
just
a
balance
and
I
and
it's
not
it's
I,
don't
think
it's
fair
to
compare
it
to
just
an
overall
business
model
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
think
it's
a
it's
a
flaw
in
the
system.
It
is
what
it
is,
and
you
know
if
you
want
to
allow
a
lot
more
kids
in
a
classroom,
then
you're
going
to
have
more
difficulty
getting
staff.
You
create
the
risk
of
more
injury,
of
quality,
of
care,
quality
of
education.
A
J
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
also
for
that
for
your
comments
just
now
and
that
you
know
children
aren't
widgets
and
they
we
can't
really
merge
it
into
normal
business
practices.
So
I
appreciate
those
comments
and
I'm
really
following
up
from
chairwoman
Heaven's
question
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
providers
very
concerned
about
the
upcoming
cliff
and
that
those
payments
there's
September
I've,
also
heard
that
and
you've
just
confirmed
that
it's
under
consideration
about
possibly
extending
those
payments
and
I
know.
J
G
H
H
I,
don't
know
if
they
spoke
too
soon
or
if
the
decision
has
been
pulled
back,
but
I
do
know
that
providers
have
their
tuition,
increase
letters
ready
to
go
and
on
September,
1st
they're
going
to
know
they're
getting
a
stabilization
payment
or
the
families
are
going
to
find
out
that
they're
going
from
100
bucks
a
week
to
150
weeks
or
200
a
week
to
275
a
week,
and
it's
not
just
a
cabinet
issue
or
a
state
government
issue
or
a
provider
issue.
It's
a
families
and
children
issue,
because
parents
are
going
to
say
well.
H
Baby
I
could
send
you
at
200
a
week,
but
I
can't
send
you
a
250.
so
who's
making
the
decision.
H
And
what
we,
what
we
need
to
consider
is
that
we've
been
subsidizing
child
care
providers
right.
It's
this
dirty
word
that
we
don't
want
to
use
subsidy.
We
subsidize
all
kinds
of
things,
including
an
electric
vehicle
battery
plant,
that
I
think
we
voted
unanimously
to
subsidize,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
subsidize
this
industry.
If,
if-
and
this
is
a
question
that
this
General,
it
simply
needs
to
continue
to
Grapple
with,
do
we
want
women
between
the
ages
of
20
and
40
to
be
in
the
workforce?
H
A
I
think
we
have
to
be
careful
not
to
it's
not
just
about
basic
Child,
Care
private
centers,
it's
other
models
we
need
to
explore
and
and
I
think
co-chair.
Heavens
correct
that
there
there
are
models
that
can
help
alleviate
these
problems.
That
would
be
more
sustainable
and
it's
and
that
would
involve
partnering
with
economic
development
and
private
businesses
operating
their
own
child
care.
I.
Think
it's
Warren
County!
That's!
They
use
some
of
their
federal
funds
to
open
up
a
child
care
for
their
teachers,
brilliant
and
all
these
large
Industries.
A
They
need
to
start
thinking
this
way,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
take
Economic
Development
partnering
with
the
division
of
child
care
and
it
that
needs
to
be
part
of
every
package.
That's
that's
offered
as
far
as
economic
development
and
so
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
different
ways.
We
can
approach
this
that
aren't
just
relying
on
the
basic
Child
Care
model,
Senator
Adams.
K
K
Not
talking
about
a
budget
request
I'm
talking
about
any
legislative
fixes
that
you
think
would
be
beneficial
to
the
child
care
space,
particularly
as
far
as
bringing
new
people
into
the
system.
You
know
what
have
you
having
some
sort
of
pathway
as
we
go
through
this
system,
cutting
any
kind
of
red
tape
for
our
providers.
G
Right,
we
don't
have
I,
don't
have
a
legislative
proposal.
You
know
we
do
meet
regularly
with
our
Advocates
and
listen
to
what
the
need
is
and
are
trying
to
be
mindful.
We
have
also
used
a
lot
of
our
funding
to
reduce
some
of
those
administrative
burdens
such
as
the
CPR
and
first
aid
training
and
certification
background
checks,
those
things
that
all
that
providers
have
to
do.
K
Okay,
so
I
just
want
to
Echo
chairwoman
Heaven's
comments
that
if,
if
we're
identifying
a
place,
that's
bleeding
and
we
need
to
stop
that
bleeding,
do
we
do
it?
Sometimes
we
don't
just
do
it
through
money,
we
do
it
through
legislative
fixes
and
so
I
would
encourage
you
all
in
the
cabinet
to
look
at
possible
legislative
proposals
that
you
can
bring
to
the
general
assembly
for
us
to
consider.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
L
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
just
a
couple
questions,
but
first
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that
insight
into
payments
for
child
care
and
I'm.
L
It
reminds
me
of
the
same
issue
with
health
care.
You
know
you
lose
money
on
ERS,
you
lose
money
on
inpatient
care
and
you
make
it
up
on
surgery
and
imaging.
So
it's
the
parallel
is
really
interesting,
but
the
question
I
have.
Is
you
noted
that
you
funded
five
Sinners
they're
identified
as
desert
areas.
L
L
G
On
the
number
of
children
and
available
Child
Care
slots,
it
there's
a
formula
for
that
and
and
I'll
be
happy
to
share
that
with
you.
G
G
Absolutely
absolutely
they
have
to
be
work,
they
have
to
meet
the
so
they
have
to
have
verified
employment
with
a
cabinet
regulated
child
care
provider.
They
have
to
meet
the
work
requirements,
so
they
have
to
meet
CCAP
work
requirements
of
at
least
20
hours
a
week
or
that
of
snap
ENT
for
training
and
education.
G
We
have
to
consider
all
of
those
things.
It's
it's
the
same
application
as
everyone
else,
it's
just
that
the
income
is
excluded,
but
they
have
to
work
in
a
regulated,
Child,
Care
Program,
to
be
eligible
for
that
provision
and
for
the
purposes
of
the
federal
government
government
that
is
considered
a
protected
population
to
where
we
were
able
to
implement
this
practice.
G
Do
because
we've
got
2100
families
who
are
benefiting
from
that
and
that's
you
know
almost
3
700
children
and
typically
centers
subsidize
the
cost
of
their
employees,
child
care
or
give
a
scholarship.
So
this
is
an
opportunity
for
those
providers
to
retain
those
funds
to
put
back
into
the
business
to
hopefully
improve
quality
right.
L
L
Okay,
well,
this
kind
of
follow-up
on
Center
Adams
common.
It's
similar,
you
know
what
we
had
a
conversation
yesterday
about
the
Medicaid
funding.
It's
almost
like.
We
need
an
Omnibus
funding
bill
for
this
to
truly
identify
all
the
areas
that
we're
going
to
have
to
fill
these
Financial
shortfalls
in
and
I
really
don't
want
to
see
a
piecemeal
and
I'd
like
to
see
the
full
picture.
So
we
know
what
we're
dealing
with,
because
we've
got
other
issues
with
education
and
Medicaid
and
across
the
board.
L
A
C
You
Senator
I
just
want
to
kind
of
take
the
conversation
in
a
whole.
Another
way,
I
know
a
lot
of
parents,
a
lot
of
mothers,
young
mothers
who
are
going
back
to
work
wanting
to
stay
home
with
their
children,
but
feeling
as
though
they
don't
have
that
option
financially
until
many
of
them
see
that
they're
paying
out
just
as
much
in
child
care
or
nearly
as
much
as
they
would
lose
if
they
stopped
sending
their
children
and
I'm
wondering
Mr
chairman.
C
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
move
on
now
we're
going
to
be
hurting
for
time.
We
still
got
several
presentations
Andrea.
Thank
you
for
the
information
and
are
you
going
to
be
able
to
hang
out
until
okay?
We
may
have
some
other
questions
that
come
up.
Would
ask
that
Twyla
Burdette
with
The
Rock,
Castle,
Hospital,
Child,
Care,
Development,
Center
and
Danielle
marlar,
the
assistant
director
Twyla,
is
the
director.
If
you
all
would
please
come
to
the
table.
A
A
Thought
you
all
were
here.
If
you
would
please
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
you
have
the
floor.
D
Thank
you
so
much.
My
name
is
Tyler
Burdette
I'm,
the
director
here
at
Rock,
Castle
Hospital,
Child,
Development
Center.
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
today.
My
assistant
director
is
here
with
me
as
well.
Miss
Danielle
and
she'll
introduce
herself
momentarily.
Can
you
all
hear
me?
Okay,.
D
I've
been
asked,
Mr
Stay
contacted
me
and
thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
share
with
you
guys
just
a
little
bit
about
what
we've
been
using.
Some
of
those
sustainability
grants
that
you've
been
hearing
about
what
some
of
those
funds
have
been
put
forth
here
at
Air
Center
and
what
they're
doing
to
help
some
of
our
families
and
our
children,
as
well
as
our
staff,
and,
as
you
know,
these
were
funded
by
the
federal
government
through
the
arpa.
D
So
we
have
about
six
different
County
of
children
here
today
and
we
have
about
seven
total
throughout
the
week
that
we'll
have
and
those
folks
we
have
over
900
employees,
so
those
folks
travel
in
obviously
from
Madison
Pulaski
Lincoln
and
our
surrounding
areas,
Jackson
County,
as
well
as
Rock
Castle,
and
even
further
than
that,
so
we're
a
little
different.
D
So
when
I
come
to
you,
we
are
employee.
Based
we
only
have
employee-based
children
in
our
facility
and
and
we
that's
what
we
pride
ourselves
in
and
our
goal
is
to
not
make
money.
We
were
developed
about
14
years
ago
by
our
CEO,
and
the
goal
is
of
course
they
would
love
to
break
even
and
but
our
goal
is
to
provide
care
for
employees,
so
they
can
take
better
care
of
their
patients
and,
while
they're
here,
regardless
of
what
capacity
that
may
be,
it
may
be
someone
that
works
in
maintenance.
D
Nurses
or
respiratory
therapists,
but
our
goal
is
to
provide
excellent
care
for
them.
While
they
are
here,
we
have
a
very
different
schedule.
We
have
some
children,
that's
here,
three
12-hour
shifts
a
week.
We
are
open
at
6
30
a.m.
We
close
at
7
30
p.m.
We
have
some
folks
where
we'll
have
children
for
four
tens.
It
may
be
five
eight
hour
shifts
so
we're
just
a
little
bit
different.
Last
week
we
were
able
to
care
for
98
different
children,
an
average
of
about
60
a
day.
D
So
if
that
gives
you
an
idea
of
our
capacity
and
what
we're
doing
I'm
here
in
Mount
Vernon
the
payments
that
we've
been
receiving,
that
we
receive
each
quarter,
of
course
we
have
to
fill
out
data
sheets
and
to
to
justify
for
an
accountability.
So
that
way,
the
powers
that
be.
You
know
what
we're
spending
those
funds
on.
Some
of
those
questions
that
they
ask
is,
are
you
sending?
D
Are
you
spending
those
funds
on
Personnel
payroll,
things
of
that
that
nature,
rent
mortgages,
personal
protective
equipment,
any
updated
equipment
or
supplies
that
you
use
those
on
goods
and
services?
So
that
way,
you
can
maintain
and
resume
any
other
child
care
services,
possibly
that
you
did
prior
to
covid.
Any
mental
health
supports.
So
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
using
that
for
is
additional
supplies
and
toys,
especially
for
a
lot
of
sensory
integration.
D
A
lot
of
our
children
that
do
receive
speech,
OT
and
PT
Services,
whether
that
be
through
our
rehab
department
or
outpatient
rehab
department,
whether
that
be
through
First
Steps,
whatever
that
is
and
100
of
our
staff
now
are
at
the
13
an
hour
threshold
and
thanks
to
those
funds
and-
and
some
of
our
staff
are
above
that
as
well
because
of
those
funds.
We've
had
additional
family
engagement
activities
and
we've
been
able
to
do
some
more
activities
that
support
in
our
community.
D
By
way
of
our
councils
and,
like
I,
said
there
is
some
accountability
ability
in
place
in
the
month
of
December
in
2022,
our
Hospital
provided
free
child
care
for
every
child,
regardless
of
their
income,
and
they
wrote
that
off
a
tune
of
about
22,
700
and
some
odd
dollars.
So
they
were
able
to
do
that
because
of
the
funds
that
we've
been
receiving.
D
So,
during
the
month
of
December,
all
of
our
employees
were
able
to
send
their
children
and,
of
course
you
know
as
as
times
are
harder,
and
that
was
nice
for
those
families
to
be
able
to
provide,
maybe
something
in
addition
to
what
they
might
could
have
done
for
their
families
and
their
children.
D
We've
been
participating
in
the
apprenticeship
program,
I
have
an
apprentice,
and
she
is
now
a
director
of
a
center
of
a
preschool
in
Madison,
County
and
she's
still
my
apprentice,
and
we
have
staff
that
are
participating
in
the
scholarship
programs
to
complete
their
CDA,
their
child
development
associative.
We
have
21
children,
that's
on
child
care
assistance
and
we
have
three
employees,
that's
benefiting
through
the
employee
engagement
that
as
long
as
they're
an
employee
and
a
licensed
Child
Care
Center
that
their
children
can
come
regardless
of
their
household
income.
D
Good
news
is,
is
you
know
it's
a
good
recruitment
tool?
The
bad
news
is
is
some
of
those
Prime
spots
and
you
you
know
you
have
to
kind
of
give
and
take
I
guess
if
that
makes
sense.
D
D
We
we've
enjoyed
it.
It's
been
very
nice
to
not
have
to
kind
of
worry
about.
Our
budget
like
I,
said
we're
a
little
different.
Our
hospital
is
always
made
sure
and
provided
all
that
was
needed
for
our
care,
but
it's
been
nice
to
have
those
extra
funds
to
support
that
because
we
do
lose
money.
D
So
we
have
a
lot.
We
have
lost
less
money
in
the
big
picture,
so
we
could
provide
that
excellent
care.
What
questions
do
you
have
for
me.
D
Okay,
this
is
Miss
Daniel,
Marler
she's,
their
assistant
director,
and
she
is
going
to
share
a
little
bit
about
her
role
here
and
and
the
funds
that
she
and
her
family
have
been
receiving.
M
Hello,
everyone
I'm
Danielle
marlar,
as
Miss
Paula,
has
said:
I
am
the
assistant
director
at
the
Rock
Castle
Child,
Development,
Center
and
I.
We
see
child
care
assistance
from
employee
here
for
all
three
of
my
boys
and
it
has
been
a
true
blessing
for
our
family.
After
I
had
my
third
child,
we
could
not
afford
to
pay
for
a
private
sitter.
M
We
also
can
afford
for
me
to
stay
home
with
my
children
either
my
husband
he
made
just
enough
money
for
us
to
not
qualify
for
any
assistance
and
we
could
not
afford
to
live
on
one
household
income
during
the
stressful
time.
For
my
family
I
heard
that
the
child
care
assistance
started
a
new
program
for
employees
that
work
in
child
care
assistance,
and
that
is
when
I
switched.
My
appointments.
M
I
still
do
what
I
do
what
I
do
the
most
and
that
is
being
with
children
and
helping
them
learn
and
grow.
I
am
blessed
to
be
able
to
work
at
the
same
place
for
my
children
at
10,
because
it
gives
me
extra
time
with
them
and
being
a
full-time
bomb.
Is
a
struggle
so
being
able
to
do
both
and
knowing
my
children
are
safe?
Is
a
huge
stress,
relief
and
a
true
blessing.
M
Has
allowed
me
to
work
and
provide
for
my
family,
it
has
also
helped
my
children
as
well.
My
middle
child
was
epidemic
baby,
which
has
impacted
his
childhood
alive.
L
M
M
M
If
it
wasn't
for
this
program,
I
honestly,
don't
know
what
we
would
have
done.
My
husband
made
just
enough
money
like
I've,
said
that
we
couldn't
qualify
for
any
assistance,
and
we
just
can't
we
we
can't
live.
We
can't
afford,
but
just
his
income,
it's
an
excellent
program
that
has
helped
my
family
many
ways
and
I
know
it
can
help
others
as
well.
A
Twyla,
do
you
all
have
plans
in
place
if,
for
when
this,
this
funding
phases
out,
if
they're,
if
it
all
goes
away
on
how
how
you
all
are
going
to
adjust
to
that
is
and
I,
don't
know
your
pay
rate
did.
Did
you
all?
Did
you
all?
Do
the
minimum
13
an
hour
to
get
the
full
advantage.
N
D
To
take
advantage
of
the
full
max
amount,
I've
met
with
our
CFO,
which
is
our
Chief
Financial
Officer,
and
we
will
anticipate
providing
that
rate.
The
other
entities
and
the
other
things
that
I
mentioned
will
probably
be
less
just
to
be
honest
as
far
as
what
we
are
able
to
do.
In
addition
to
the
care
that
we
provide
some
of
those
I'm,
not
sure
about
the
scholarships.
D
Of
course,
the
apprenticeship
program,
their
additional
family
engagement,
some
of
those
extra
things
that
we've
been
able
to
do,
they
probably
will
not
be
funded
so
to
speak,
but
our
employee
pay
rate
will
be
funded
through
the
hospital
will
make
up
for
the
gap
of
what
we
don't
receive
through
payments.
A
Okay-
and
you
know
that's
a
big
concern,
industry-wide
is
everyone
has
gone
to
that
minimum
13
an
hour
to
take
advantage
of
the
the
max
Federal
funding
and
and
if
these
centers
have
to
go
back
to
nine
ten
dollars
an
hour,
we're
going
to
find
ourselves
right
back
where,
where
we,
where,
where
we
were
and
I,
think
it's
going
to
be,
it's
going
to
be
devastating
and
I.
You
know
I'm
not
trying
to
defend
the
model,
but
but
it's
it's
not
it's
not
a
model
that
it's
just.
A
It
is
what
it
is
and-
and
there
is
only
so
much
you
can
do
to
make
it
generate
more
Revenue
without
affecting
quality.
So
that
is
the
that
is
the
struggle
day
to
day,
for
these
Sinners
is
to
make
that
happen.
So
that's
that's
what
they're
dealing
with
and-
and
you
know,
I
hate
to
see
what
might
happen
if
all
these
Sinners
do
have
to
start
dropping
their
pay
rates
back
down.
Senator
Meredith.
L
D
L
D
Yes,
they,
you
know,
just
if
you
lose
one
srna
or
one
LPN
or
an
RN.
You
know
you're
factoring
in
we.
We
lose
anywhere
from
about
75
000
to
100
000
prior
to
the
grants.
D
L
But
I
think
this
is
truly
the
model
that
we
need
for
the
future
to
build
a
cinematic
relationship
between
employers
and
employees,
but
also
the
state
maker
contribution,
but
I
think
if
we
could
have
that
information
that
would
be
really
valuable
to
us.
So
if
you
pass
it
on
him,
I
would
appreciate
that
him
or
her
I'd
appreciate
that.
Thank.
J
A
And
I
I
can
say
from
our
perspective
and
again
we're
a
pretty
large
Center,
but
for
the
last
couple
months
there
have
been
two
or
three
different
times
that
we've
been
fully
staffed
and
that
hasn't
happened.
I
can't
tell
you
the
last
time
that
that's
happened
so
and
it's
because
of
the
the
child
care
assistance
for
the
teachers
and
it's
because
of
the
pay
rate
we
do.
We
do
longevity
pay
and,
as
I
said,
we
do
pay
for
degrees.
A
Also
so,
and
we
have
benefits,
we
have
insurance
a
very
generous
PTO
program.
So
but
but
again
we
are
unique
in
that
we
have
other
funding
streams.
Most
child
care
centers
do
not
have
the
availability
of
all
of
those
things
and,
and
you
know,
for
a
private
provider.
A
You
know
it's
it's
difficult
for
them
to
make
any
living
whatsoever,
and
that's
that's
what
we're
facing.
We
have
any
other
questions.
A
You
too
we're
going
to
move
on
to
Ashley
Bartley.
She
is
or
I'm.
Sorry,
we've
got
someone
filling
in
for
her
Kimberly
bowling
is
here
and
there
she
is
with
bright
beginnings,
Child
Care
Kimberly!
Are
you
there.
N
And
we
now
have
a
two
centers
we're
hoping
to
open
a
third
Center
in
our
area.
Child
Care
is
very
hard
to
come
by.
N
We
are
part
of
the
desert
area
that
you
guys
were
discussing
earlier,
and
so
shortly
after
the
pandemic,
several
of
the
centers
in
our
area
were
forced
to
close
their
doors,
which
left
a
lot
of
working,
Parents
Without
a
safe
place
to
take
their
children.
So
the
grant
has
allowed
us
to
open
up
a
second
Center
which
is
currently
servicing
over
50
Working
Families
and
providing
care
for
their
children.
N
As
a
matter
of
fact,
like
I
said,
we
have
a
waiting
list
enough
to
open
a
third
Center
and
we're
are
currently
looking
and
hoping
to
do
so
in
our
area,
but
we
have
also
I've
been
taking
some
notes
and
like
what
you've
said
about
how
it
is
hard.
Child
Care
is
completely
different
from
other
businesses,
a
hundred
percent.
N
And
thankfully,
though,
with
the
help
of
these
grants,
we
have
been
able
to
thrive
and
we've
actually
done
the
raises
for
employees.
We
did
not
go
up
to
the
13th.
We
just
went
to
10
just
because
we
knew
eventually
you
know
that
would
come
to
an
end
and
we
kind
of
we
figured.
You
know
that
if
we
went
to
the
max
it
may
put
us
in
a
bond
so
we're
trying
to
play
it
smart
on
that
end
and
the
child
care
for
teachers.
N
That's
an
awesome
thing
and,
like
we
started
advertising
for
that,
we
were.
We
had
several
to
reach
out
to
us
who,
when
we
said
okay,
we're
offering
the
child
care
for
the
teachers
at
our
Center,
that
that
were
parents
and
mothers
and
wanted
to
bring
their
kids.
Unfortunately,
we
are
so
full.
We
don't
have
room
for
those,
which
is
another
reason
why
we
are
in
hopes
to
open
a
third
Center.
Just
because
the
demand
in
this
area
is
unreal.
N
Also,
like
I
said,
we
did
the
raises
for
employees,
and
we
also
take
advantage
of
like
the
therapies
for
the
kids
like
I
know
how
helpful
it
is
for
the
parents,
while
they're
working
to
have
like
the
therapists
who
come
into
our
Center
and
be
able
to
work
with
their
children,
and
that's
definitely
something
that
I
have
recently
spoke
to
a
few
parents
about,
and
they
were.
You
know
expressing
to
me
how
thankful
they
are
that
they
are
able
to
do
that.
N
Our
age
ranges
from
infants
to
school
age
in
both
of
our
centers
I.
Do
understand
completely
what
you
mean
when
you
say
you
know
there
isn't
really
many
in
infants
and
toddlers,
but
it's
we've
just
noticed.
You
know
a
lot
of
families
that
have
kids
of
all
ranges
needed
I
mean,
so
we
do
service
that
age
as
well.
We
opened
our
first
dinner
nine
years
ago.
N
N
N
We've
had
some
guest
speakers
come
in
to
talk
to
families
about
just
different
needs
that
they
may
have
that
can
help
their
children.
We
do
have
several
employees
that
are
going
to
be
furthering
their
child
care
education
and
going
for
their
cdas.
So
but
like
we're,
all
talking
like
child
care
for
me
is
very
important
because,
especially
to
our
economy,
because
I
feel
like
during
the
time
of
covid.
That
was
really
an
eye
opener
for
us.
You
know,
because
child
care
workers
we
were
still
here
before
the
essential
workers.
N
You
know
those
who
worked
in
the
medical
field
and
whatnot.
We
actually
were
open
for
that.
Our
Center
stayed
open.
We
had
a
lot
of
essential
workers,
but
I
mean
you
can
just
really
see
how
important
it
is
to
have
a
reliable
child
care.
You
know,
that's
dependable,
that
you
know
your
babies
are
going
to
be
safe
and
loved.
It's
it's
just
very,
very
important
I
mean
we
actually
have
really
great
relationships
with
our
parents
and
it's
more
like
a
community.
It's
more
like
a
family.
N
Our
centers
are
but
I
mean
it's
there's,
definitely
a
huge
need
in
our
area,
and
these
grants
have
really
helped
us.
Like
I
said
we
were
able
to
open
our
second
Center
and
it
within
weeks
of
being
licensed.
We
were
up
and
had
the
classes
full.
A
And
you
all
are
taking
a
big
risk
opening
up
a
second
and
maybe
a
third
Center.
What
are
the
conversations
you've
had
in
in
discussing
these
funds
going
away
and
your
your
ability
to
sustain
three
centers,
with
the
current
rates
that
you
all
have,
and
and
and
to
be
able,
if
you're,
a
co-owner
and
I'm
I'm
sure
to
support
you
and
and
your
other
co-owner?
A
N
To
be
quite
honest
with
you,
we
have
just
been
so
busy
trying
to
help
out
our
community
that
they're
I
mean
there's
such
a
need
for
Working
Families
I,
don't
know
that
we've
actually
sit
down
and
come
up
with
a
plan.
I
mean
it's
just
overwhelming
right
now,
because
there
is
such
a
need
for
child
care
in
this
area.
I
would
say
at
least
10
people
call
me
daily
wanting
to
enroll
and
we
have
such
a
waiting
list.
N
I
mean
it's
unreal
so
honestly
and
you're
right.
We
have
taken
a
huge
risk,
but
you
know
I
completely
agree
100
and
we
do
need
to
come
up
with
a
plan.
You
know
we,
but
we've
just
been
so
busy
that
we
haven't
sat
down
and
said
anything
in
stone.
To
be
honest
with
you
of
you
know
like
had
a
plan
B
to
say.
A
A
And
I
don't
want
to
get
into
to
details
on
on
your
your
financials
and
in
in
looking
at
prior
to
covid
and
prior
to
when
you
all
had
one
Center.
A
Can
you
can
you
kind
of
give
some
idea
on
what
your
bottom
line
was
on
average
at
the
end
of
each
year,
and
you
don't
have
to
give
any
particular
figure
was
it?
Was
it
worth
your
time
and
effort?
A
N
We
would
have
survived
as
far
as,
if
I'm
being
honest
with
you
not
going
into
my
personal
finances,
but
in
our
home,
my
our
finances
are
based
upon
what
my
husband
makes,
mostly
just
due
to
the
fact
that
child
care
isn't
very
like
you're
not
going
to
go
into
it
and
make
a
killer
and
you're
not
going
to
make
a
good
amount
of
money.
We
do
it
because
we
love
these
kids.
We
love
the
families,
so
I
mean
honestly.
We
were
good
like
no
one
ever
went
without
or
anything
like
that.
N
No
and
we
do
have
a
lot
of
programs,
though
such
as
the
you
know,
the
child
care
assistance
and
like
the
food
program
and
whatnot,
and
we
do
rely
on
that
quite
a
bit.
You
know
what
I
mean,
so
that
was
what
we
basically
relied
on
before
the
pre-covered
was
that
you
know
the
child
care
assistance.
N
We
have
several
kids
that
are
on
that
program
and
that
have
been
on
that
program
and
then
like
our
food
program,
we
are
on
that
too.
So
those
things
are
really
helpful
to
us,
but
no
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
are
not
in
by
no
means
you
know
financially,
but
we
do
it.
For
you
know,
we
know
it's
needed.
A
A
We've
we've
got
a
few
minutes.
We
still
got
a
couple
presentations,
but
it's
on
the
the
community
service
block
grant.
So
a
lot
of
decisions
to
come
before
the
next
session
and-
and
you
know,
there's
really
been
an
effort
to
understand
the
child
care
industry
and
to
to
look
at
policies
that
we
can
develop.
That
would
allow
them
to
sustain
and
allow
us
to
grow
throughout
the
state
and
and
I
don't
you
know.
This
is
not
a.
This
is
not
an
industry.
A
That's
asking
for
a
bailout
whatsoever,
most
the
people
that
you
you
will
find
that
are
private,
centers
they're
in
it
for
the
same
reason
that
Kimberly's
in
it
and
it's
they're
not
in
it
to
make
a
a
lot
of
money.
It's
just
not
going
to
happen.
I
really
think
we
have
to
be
careful
and
make
sure
that
we
understand
that
our
approach,
it's
not
so
much
to
to
to
benefit
all
these
owners,
it's
to
benefit
our
state
and
it's
our
Workforce
issue-
and
this
is
this-
is
a
state
problem.
This
is
not
a
bailout.
A
This
is
something
that
affects
every
aspect
of
the
state's
operations
and
we've
got
to
come
up
with
unique
ideas
on
how
to
address
this.
We've
got
to
address
the
basic
models,
so
we
can't
let
this
turn
into
any
type
of
adversarial
relationship.
I
mean
this
is
not
a
billion
dollar
industry
asking
for
a
bailout.
These
are
Mom
and
Pops
child
care,
centers
that
are
just
trying
to
help
raise
and
educate
kids.
So
parents
can
go
to
work,
and
you
know
this.
A
This
is
not
a
luxury
that
we
have
or
a
question
as
to
whether
or
not
we
want
to
invest
in
this.
We
have
no
choice.
We
have
seen
the
devastation
that
not
having
Child
Care
can
cause,
and
it
it
shuts
this
state
down
and
I
hope.
We've
learned
from
that
and
you
know
I
agree
completely.
We've
got
to
be
very
targeted
in
how
we
invest
funding
and
you
know
we
got
to
make
sure
that
we
get
them
the
most
return
and
some
of
these
programs
that
that
have
we
we've
done.
A
You
know
the
the
child
care
assistance
for
teachers
that
addresses
a
couple
different
issues.
It
helps
with
Staffing
and
it
it
helps
more
get
more
people
to
work
and
they're
able
to
pay
get
paid
more
because
they
don't
have
to
pay
for
the
child
care.
So
there
are
some
of
these
programs
that
we've
done
and
I'm
sure
there
are
others
throughout
the
country,
because
we've
all
been
in
this
shape
and
in
every
State's
been
dealing
with
this
in
their
own
way.
A
But
you
know,
I
can
tell
you
from
13
years
experience
and
and
I
I'm,
not
an
expert
in
budgeting,
but
I've
done
it
for
13
years
now,
and
there
is
no
fat
to
cut
within
child
care
to
to
make
more
money.
It's
just
not
there
and
you
know,
and
that's
that's
what
I
I
try
to
keep
everybody
understanding
that
and
this.
This
is
not
a
group
of
people
asking
to
get
rich.
A
This
is
a
group
of
people
that
just
want
to
sustain
their
business
and
we
need
them
far
worse
than
they
need
us,
and
we
need
to
keep
that
in
mind
as
as
we
move
forward
and
just
come
up
with
some
creative
thinking,
I'm
a
little
disappointed
with
economic
development
that
that
there's
that
there
hasn't
been
a
partnership
started
with
the
division
of
child
care.
I
to
me,
that
is
one
of
the
most
obvious
ways
to
grow
child
care
in
this
Commonwealth
and
and
it
it
should
be.
A
Every
conversation
dealing
with
economic
development
for
businesses
industry
coming
into
this
State
Child
Care,
should
be
part
of
that
and
I.
Don't
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
interest
from
from
the
economic
development,
folks
and
I
hope.
Somebody
will
call
me
and
tell
me
I'm
wrong,
and
there
have
been
conversations,
but
if
there
have
I
haven't
heard
about
it,
I
mean
you
look
at
what
Toyota
has
done.
A
You
look
what
Warren
County
is
doing
in
the
public
schools,
but
those
opportunities
are
there
and
it
can
solve
so
many
problems
if,
if
we
just
think
outside
the
box
and
and
try
to
to
be
creative
in
how
we
address
these
issues,
any
comments
and
I'll
I'll
shut
up.
I'll
get
off.
My
soapbox
promise
I
promise.
Okay,
I'm
going
to
ask
Todd
Trapp
the
director
Division
of
Family
Sport
Department
of
Community
Based
Services
to
come
up
and
give
an
update
on
the
2023
dcbs
Community
Services
block
grant.
O
Sorry
about
that,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Todd
Trapp
I'm,
the
director
of
the
division
of
family
support.
I,
want
to
thank
you
all
for
letting
me
talk
to
you
about
Community
Services
block
grant
today
otherwise
known
as
csbg.
O
There's
actually
two
items
on
the
agenda
so
that
that
have
me
listed
as
the
speaker,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
cover
them
both
for
you.
I've
worked
with
the
cabinet
and
the
department
for
I
guess,
33
years
now,
and
certainly
csvg
is
one
of
the
one
of
the
programs
we
administer
in,
and
it's
really
a
great
program
very
flexible.
O
Most
of
my
experience
with
it
is
has
been
within
the
last
I
guess:
10
12
years
so
Community
Services
block
grant
is
administered
by
chfs
dcbs,
it's
federally
funded
through
Health
and
Human
Services
and
hold
on.
Let
me
open
this
up
here.
O
It's
federally
funded.
The
plan
is
due
every
two
years,
and
so
that's
why
we're
here
today
to
have
the
public
hearing
on
the
next
version
of
that
which
will
cover
25
and
26,
and
so
we
have
to
submit
that
every
two
years
we
actually
get
a
proposal
from
each
of
the
23
Community
Action
agencies
annually.
O
Excuse
me:
those
agencies
do
an
annual
needs
assessment
to
determine
the
needs
of
their
community
and
through
that
needs
assessment
they
provide
services
to
address
those
needs
with
csbg
as
the
funding
source
csbg.
One
of
the
strengths
of
it
is
the
flexibility
of
that
funding.
It
allows
those
agencies
to
keep
their
doors
open
to
apply
for
grants
for
other
funding
to
help
administer
other
programs.
Liheap
is
one
of
those.
O
The
low-income
water
assistance
program
would
be
another
one
of
those
through
our
partnership
with
Community
Action
Kentucky
and
those
23
agencies
Statewide,
we
were
able
to
administer
that
utility
assistance
program
and
actually
receive
National
recognition
for
that
for
the
model
we
set
up
in
doing
so,
and
it
was
administered
very
much
like
LIHEAP
was
and
again
through
those
same
agencies
and
part
of
that
part
of
the
way
they
are
able
to
do.
That
is
due
to
the
due
to
the
flexibility
of
csbg.
O
So
the
services
and
activities
that
are
identified
in
those
communities
can
include
things
such
as
housing
to
address
needs
such
as
housing,
nutrition,
utility
and
transportation
assistance,
employment,
education
and
then
acid
asset,
Building,
Services
as
well,
and
then
one
of
the
big
ones
most
recently
the
biggest
really
is
to
address
crisis
and
emergencies
that
have
happened
recently.
O
O
In
the
wake
of
those
tornadoes
that
hit
same
thing,
the
flash
flooding
of
2022
both
times
we
were
able
to
to
work
with
office,
community
services
at
the
federal
level
and
with
Community
Action
Kentucky
here
to
take
advantage
of
the
flexibilities
that
csbg
offers
and
put
emergency
services
in,
in
effect
right
away
to
help
those
areas
that
experience
those
those
disasters.
So
I
just
wanted
to,
and
I'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more.
The
the
2023
amount
for
the
current
year
is
it's
about
12
million
dollars
right
at
12
million
dollars.
O
They
were
able
to
help
with
electric
bills
natural
gas
bills
of
those
affected
by
these
by
the
tornadoes,
water
bills,
replace
propane
tanks,
of
course,
food
food
assistance,
internet
phone
bills,
these
kind
of
things
and
then
similar
the
the
flash
flooding
same
thing.
This
was
lklp
Community,
Action,
Middle,
Kentucky,
Community,
Action,
Partnership
and
also
staff
wages
to
help
provide
donated
meals
and
clothing
and
deliver
water
to
those
those
affected
by
the
flash
flooding.
So
those
are
examples
of
that
Disaster
Response
in
terms
of
just
the
everyday
services.
O
If
you
really
want
an
education
on
Community
Action,
you
can
go
to
cap
ky.org.
That's
the
Community
Action
Kentucky
website
there
you
can
find
all
23
local
Community,
Action
agencies,
I,
believe
you
can
search
by
county
and
find
out
which,
which
Community
Action
Agency
serves
a
given
County,
and
you
can
get
information
on
all
the
programs
they
administer,
and
then
they
have
one
page
that
just
really
out
highlights
the
impact
of
Community
Action.
O
O
8530
seniors
maintained
an
independent
living
situation
with
support
from
Community
Action
and
68.
271
people
were
provided
food
resources
through
food
banks
provided
through
Community
Action
and
then
227
746
applications
for
utility
assistance
through
the
LIHEAP
program
were
taken.
All
all
told,
320
234
kentuckians
were
served
provided
Services
through
Community
Action
during
during
the
federal
fiscal
year.
So
it's
really
really
great
program
and
certainly
we've
enjoyed
a
really
good
partnership
with
Community
Action
Kentucky
and
the
Community
Action
agencies.
O
So
that's
the
as
I
say.
The
state
plan
is
due
every
two
years.
Ours
is
due
September
1st.
This
is
the
the
public
hearing
on
that
preliminary
plan.
The
status
report
I
think
is
due
to
lrc
by
the
31st
of
July.
We
have
it
the
half
year.
We
we
submit
one
of
those
every
six
months
and
the
one
for
this
July
31st
is
in
process.
The
final
version,
I
think,
is
in
the
final
stages
of
approval
and
B
will
be
submitted
by
the
end
of
this
week.
I
expect
so
any
questions
for
me.
A
A
Motion.
Second,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
no
motion
carries
the
plan
is
approved.
I've
I've
got
a
question
right,
quick
and
I
want
to
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
having
I'm,
not
remembering
things
right,
Andrea,
the
the
grant
that
goes
through
the
Early
Childhood
advisory
Council,
it's
a
block
grant
that
they
receive
what
what
am
I
thinking.
What
funding
am
I
thinking.
G
A
I
A
Then
what
you
know
what
funds
might
be
restricted?
What
funds
might
be
available
to
put
towards
whatever
program
that
we
might
want
to
continue?
That
would
help
to
to
cover
the
appropriation
that
we
might
have
to
make
to
make
that
happen
and
I
apologize,
I
I
thought
I
was
clear
on
what
I
wanted
to
to
get
to,
but
this
this
ground
is
not
the
one
that
I
was
thinking
of.
A
That's
all
we
have
I'll
take
that
back.
We
do
have
some
regulation
approve
item
number
seven
on
the
agenda.
There
are
three
administrative
regulations
for
review.
The
committee
has
received
an
agency
Amendment
for
902
kar02
480,
which
is
included
in
their
folder
and
Inspector
General
adamather
and
Cara
Daniel.
If
you
could,
please
make
your
way
to
the
table.
A
A
Could
you
please
explain
the
the
amendment
sure.
P
To
the
proposed
Ray,
yes,
we
worked
with
providers.
This
was
really
in
regards
to
adding
certified
medication
AIDS
and
how
they
operationalize
Controlled
Substances
within
the
assisted
living
facilities
in
an
appropriate
and
efficient
manner,
and
so
we
added
language
that
tells
them
how
to
administer
it
in
the
nursing
delegation
oversight
over
that
that
medication
administration
and
it
clarifies
language
around
the
secure
dementia
units
having
a
separate
license
if
they
are
in
fact
distinct
units
within
a
assisted
living
facility
and
it
updates
the
functional
needs
assessment.
P
We
worked
with
the
providers
to
make
sure
that
it
was
a
very
clear
and
understandable
functional
needs
assessment
and
that's
the
document.
That's
filled
out
during
the
application
process
for
individuals
that
are
looking
at
Assisted
Living,
so
it
identifies
their
their
needs
that
are
required
within
the
facility.
A
Okay,
are
there
any
questions
related
to
the
amendment
Senator
Meredith.
L
Thank
you
Mr
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
work
you've
done
on
this
I've
heard
from
several
about.
Have
you
reached
out
to
Providers
and
came
up
with
Solutions
some
issues
that
were
still
hanging
out
there
and
the
only
negative
I
heard?
And
this
probably
a
strong
word
I
just
don't
know
how
to
characterize
it
was
once
an
agreement
had
been
reached
on
them.
The
last
I
guess
issue
that
they
wanted
access
to
the
amendment
itself
and
they
just
couldn't
find
it
anywhere.
L
We
don't
trust
each
other
as
much
as
we
should
and
when
we
can't
find
that
information
a
little
paranoia
sinks
in
so
just
trying
to
address
it.
But
there's
a
way.
We
make
sure
that
we
get
that
information
back
to
the
folks
who
have
an
interest.
I,
think
that
would
benefit
us
all.
But
again
one
commends
you
for
working
with
providers
to
resolve
their
issues.
Yeah
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
good
program
for
us
and
for
our
constituents.
So
thank
you.
A
I
have
a
motion
of
a
second
have
a
motion
in
a
second
all.
Those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
oppose
no
amendment
is
accepted.
The
next
meeting
of
the
interim
joint
committee
on
families
and
children
will
be
held
on
Thursday
August,
the
24th
or
23rd
at
2
pm
at
the
Kentucky
State
Fair
do
not
eat
any
fair
food
prior
to
the
meeting,
so
we
can
maintain
a
quorum
if
there
are
no
other
issues,
we
stay.