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From YouTube: Legislative Ethics Commission 6/5/21
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E
A
E
Yes,
I'm
a
an
attorney,
I
practice
law
with
gilford
dobbins
schmidt
in
louisville
and
I've
practiced
law
for
about
40
years.
I
hate
to
admit
that
you,
I'm
a
uk
graduate
for
the
law
school,
very
proud
graduate.
I
practice
in
the
areas
of
banking
and
creditors,
rights
and
foreclosures
and
all
those
things
that
are
unpleasant
of
that
nature.
E
A
C
A
C
Question
would
you
raise
your
right
hands?
Please,
do
you
solemnly
swear
that
you
will
support
the
constitution
of
the
united
states,
the
constitution
of
this
commonwealth,
that
you
will
be
faithful
and
true
to
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
so
long
as
you
continue
a
citizen
and
that
you
will
faithfully
execute
to
the
best
of
your
ability,
the
office
of
member
of
the
legislative
ethics
commission?
According
to
law,.
A
Congratulations
glad
to
have
both
of
you,
I'm
in
an
interesting
situation.
I
used
to
be
committee
staff
for
the
administrative
rights
committee
and
I
now
have
two
of
my
former
chairs
as
members
of
the
commission.
So
I
hope
you
don't
grade
me
too.
Poorly
on
being
able
to
they.
They
were
both
great
chairs.
Did
a
great
job
always
organized.
A
A
A
A
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
It's
good
to
see
all
of
you
and
and
as
well
as
new
new
faces
to
the
commission,
which
is
great.
There
was
no
time
lapse.
You
know
having
any
vacancies
on
the
commission,
which
is,
which
is
wonderful.
I
think
that's
a
testimony
to
the
house
and
senate
leaders
who
you
know
moved
along
and
got
got
us
some,
some
more
really
good,
commission
members
and
I
and
as
staff.
I
really
appreciate
that
just
real
quickly.
B
You
know
we're
still
dealing
with,
I
guess,
still
the
pandemic,
we're
we're
still
closed
to
walk
in
business
as
as
our
most
government
offices
we're
we're
still
kind
of
on
a
rotation
staff
wise
where
we're
going
in
usually
one
person
in
the
office
per
day.
But
now
that
everybody
has
been
immunized
we're
coming
in
sometimes
two
people
and
sometimes
more.
B
I
can't
again,
I
can't
say
enough
about
how
dedicated
laurie
and
danita
and
emily
and
and
mark
rangelman
who's
our
enforcement
council,
who
is
probably
not
going
to
be
here
today,
because
he
doesn't
really
have
any
business
with
us
today,
but
how
hard
they've
worked
under
some
really
strange
circumstances
and
stressful.
You
know
both
family
and
and
and
work.
So
I
again,
I
want
to
say
that
again
and
at
one
update
we
we
did
receive
our
new
laptops
that
we
had
talked
about.
B
B
A
B
And
not
not
too
updated
so
again,
also
kudos
to
lori
and
danita
for
continuing
to
keep
all
filings
up
to
date.
You
know
we
haven't,
had
you
know
a
drop-off
or
a
great
number
of
people
who
were
who
are
late.
We
we
had
been
last
year
waving
most
fines.
You
know
just
upon
somebody
emailing
me
and
saying
hey,
you
know,
there's
a
pandemic
going
on.
I
had
I
couldn't
go
to
the
office.
We
had
several
folks
who
had
been
in
the
hospital.
B
B
You
know
the
list
of
bills
that
that
folks
are
are
lobbying
on
that
has
been
required
to
be
reported,
but
there
hasn't
really
been
a
way
to
pull
it
out.
Well,
danita
had
worked
with
cot
on
that
and
now
we
do
have
a
build
database.
Not
a
database.
Excuse
me
a
bill
list,
hopefully
someday
we'll
have
an
actual
working
thing
that
you
can
fiddle
around
with,
but
we
do
have
a
list
and
and
that's
being
used
quite
frequently,
I
get
we've
gotten
several
emails
from
folks
who
are
like
wow.
This
is
good.
B
You
know
now
I
can
kind
of
put
together.
You
know
what
people
are
lobbying
on
and
and
see
the
you
know
the
extent
of
that
on
whatever
bill
and
that's
that's
the
purpose
of
the
law.
One
of
the
purposes,
obviously
is
transparency
and
informing
people
on
who's
who's
lobbying
on
what
so
again
they're
they're
working
on
that
and
over
the
summer
you
know
they're
they're.
B
B
For
again,
when
you
look
through
the
the
informal
opinions
and
and
for
the
newer
members,
I
mean
that's
education
and
and
taking
those
questions
and
getting
them
answered
in
a
timely
manner,
is
really
our
bread
and
butter,
because
you
know
we
would
much.
Rather
we
don't
want
to
be
a
gotcha
type
agency
and
you
know
we
got
a
gotcha
sometimes,
but
most
of
the
time
it's
you
know,
ask
the
question
and
get
good
get
good
guidance.
B
So
if
you
read
emily's
informal
opinions,
I
mean
they're,
just
you
know
so
good,
and
so
I
mean
there's
complex.
There
are
complex
things
that
comes
come
up
and
she
is
so
good
at
at
you
know,
setting
all
that
out
and-
and
I
know
that
the
people
who
who
need
that
information
are
very,
are
very
happy
about
it,
as
I'm
sure
you
all
are
too
also.
B
She
had
worked
with
the
secretary
of
state's
office
so
that
our
information
can
be
put
in
the
information
that
candidates
get
because
a
lot
of
times.
What
what
happens
is
you
know
they
fill
out?
All
that
stuff
and
then
for
legislative
candidates,
they
we
send
them
something
that
says:
hey
you
have
to.
B
You
also
have
to
fill
out
your
disclosure
as
a
candidate
and
and
they're
like
I
don't
know
anything
about
that
so
she's
trying
to
get
that
more
seamless
and-
and
if
you,
if
you
go
on
the
secretary
of
state's
website
and
and
they
have
a
thing
where
you
can
go
in
and
say
yeah,
I
want
to
be
a
legislative
candidate.
Now
that
that
our
little
blurb
is
in
there
to
say
hey,
you
know,
remember
you
also.
B
You
have
to
do
this
along
with
you
know
the
campaign
finance
stuff.
So
I
really
appreciate-
and
I'm
sure
the
commission
appreciates
her
efforts
at
coordinating
that
and
making
it
also
making
it
more
helpful
to
a
candidate.
Because
again,
when
you
come
in
as
a
new
candidate,
I'm
sure
you
don't
know
all
the
things
you
have
to
do.
B
So
I
really
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
real,
quick
and
I
think,
oh
and
and
also
just
as
for
public
knowledge
of
the
of
the
ethics
process,
we're
going
to
be
emily
and
I
are
going
to
be
doing
the
lrc
cle
as
it
has
been
done
in
the
past
john
and
I'm
sure
judge
will
hoyt
have
done
that
in
the
past.
So
we'll
do
that
at
the
end
of
the
month.
B
For
you
know,
recalcitrant
attorneys
like
me,
who
may
or
may
not
have
all
their
all
their
hours
in,
but
the
lrc
cle
is
also
good
again
for
attorneys
that
with
the
commission,
I
can
email
you
that
info,
it's
free
and
now
it's
all
online.
So
that's
also
very
convenient
so,
and
we
also
did
speak
with
a
group
from
through
the
martin
school
they're
ta.
B
It's
an
international
group
of
public
servants
that
that
they,
you
know
they
have
a
class
for
so
we
were
able
to
talk
with
them
in
conjunction
with
katie
gabbert
of
the
executive
branch.
Ethics,
commission
and
those
folks
were
all
from
south
korea,
and
that
was
that
was
really
interesting
to
hear,
hear
their
perspectives
on
ethics
and
and
things
so
get
a
little
international
flavor
and
through
the
magic
of
zoom.
You
know
we
didn't
even
have
to
you
know,
fly
anywhere,
so
that
was
cool.
B
B
B
Who
again
is
he
does
a
great
job
working
on
making
sure
our
ongoing
budget
is
good
and
interacting
with
lrc
folks
and
and
obviously
he
did
that
again
during
the
session,
because
we
got
our
budget
and-
and
we
really
appreciate
his
all
his
expertise
as
well
from
years
and
years
of
being
at
the
lrc.
So
he
knows
he
knows
things
so
that's
good
and
then
the
next,
oh,
if
you
wanted
to,
did
you
want
to
have
them,
approve
that
chairman.
D
B
You
know
lobbyists
legislators,
the
public,
who
will
call
in
write
in
you,
know,
carrier
pigeon,
send
letters
about
you
know
anything
and
everything
having
to
do
with
the
legislative
ethics
code,
and
you
know
possible
issues.
So
we
again,
if
there's
any
any
particular
questions
since
these
are
confidential.
B
If
you've
got
those
questions
we
can,
we
can
certainly
address
those
when
you
all
go
into
executive
session,
but
you
know
it's
kind
of
been
a
it's.
You
know
still
a
busy
time,
even
though
we're
now
really
in
the
the
interim,
but
now
is
the
time
to
when
folks,
well
and
really
now
that
you
know
people
are
getting
vaccinated,
people
are
traveling,
they're
gonna
have
start
having
more
in-person
conventions.
Things
like
that,
so
we're
we're
starting
to
get
those
those
questions,
of
course
that
arise
so.
E
A
C
B
You
know
some
pat
a
whole
laundry
list
of
past
recommendations,
including
one
on
defining
sexual
harassment
and
and
how
that
would
be
treated
within
the
code
that
kind
of
stalled
out,
but
fortunately
the
senate
picked
up
most
of
the
recommendations
that
have
been
done
before,
except
for
the
sexual
harassment
piece
and
past
saturn
157.
So
that
was
that
was
good.
There
were
a
lot
of
cleanup
clarification,
type
things
that
needed
to
happen
in
the
code,
so
those
were
passed
and
again,
except
for
the
sexual
harassment
piece.
B
Which
again
is,
is
you
know
still?
You
know
needed
more
debate.
The
senate
felt,
which
you
know-
that's
that's
fine
now,
and
so
in
this
this
upcoming
session.
What
what
I've?
Actually,
I've
talked
with
representative
moser
and
she
indicated
that
she
is
still
still
interested
in
working
on
a
piece
just
dealing
with
sexual
harassment.
There's
real
there.
I
felt
like
there
weren't,
really
any
other.
You
know
pressing
things
that
needed
to
be
changed
changed
in
the
statute.
B
Of
course,
you
know
if
you
all
have
anything
that
that
you
feel
is
you
know
pressing.
We
can
certainly
put
that
in
there
I
mean
again
these
are
staff
suggestions,
but
so,
if
you
look
under
that,
I
think
it's
tab
tab
three,
it
it's
the
same
recommendation
that
has
been
made
in
the
past
to
just
to
basically
get
a
definition
of
what
is
harassment.
B
But
the
again
the
whole
point
of
this
is
is
so
that
you
know
obviously
to
address
the
the
real
problem
of
of
sexual
harassment
and
discrimination
claims
that
may
arise,
but
to
define
it
so
that
you're
not
getting.
You
know
the
entire
tie
to
the
law.
You
know
the
the
overall
law
on
those
subjects,
so
you're
not
getting
just
like
this.
The
stray
remarks,
for
example,
or
that
kind
of
thing
which
shouldn't
rise
to
the
level
of
harassment.
B
Again,
there
will
probably
be
once
we
put
this
out
there
again
and
and
depending
on
you
know,
who
who
we
speak
to
and
we
will
need
to.
You
know,
obviously
get
the
the
senate
on
board
as
to
what
what
their
feelings
are
about
it.
You
know,
it'll
go
through
it,
it'll
go
through
changes
and
things
like
that,
but
at
least
coming
up
with
a
clear
definition
on
what
the
conduct,
what
the
prohibited
conduct
is
educating
people
on
what
that
is,
and
and
frankly,
they
are
being
educated
now
and
in
2014.
B
The
legislature
put
on
itself
a
requirement
for
educating
for
having
required
training
for
legislators,
which
is
brand
new,
which
they
never
had
before,
so
that,
I
think,
is
helpful,
but
again
to
tie
all
that
together,
so
that
there
is
a
standard,
and
so
people
know
what
the
expectation
is
and
also
you
know
too.
If
you
look
at
other
states,
they
have
had
issue,
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
ubiquitous
kind
of
thing.
I
mean
I.
I
think
that
90,
I
want
to
say.
B
So
if,
if
you
don't
want
to
look
at
that
and
either
you
know,
we
can
you
can
approve
it
now
or
if
you
want
to
take
some
time
to
look
at
it
and
then
maybe
we
can
say
you
know,
if
you
don't.
Let
me
know
about
five
days
or
so
then
we'll
go
ahead
and
we
what
we
do
is
we
send
that
to
the
lrc
as
our
our
recommendations
and
but,
like
I
said,
I've
already
had
some
contact
with
representative
moser.
B
You
know
fairly
early
because
it
is
june,
but
we
can
start.
We
can
certainly
start
trying
to
to
talk
to
folks
about
and
obviously
in
the
senate,
which,
which
I
think
would
be
helpful
to
get
there
get
their
input
on
what
type,
what
what
would
be
palatable
for
them
in
terms
of
definitions
and
things
like
that.
So
any
questions.
D
Mr
chairman,
I
just
have
a
kind
of
an
observation
and
a
win
observation,
but
we've
had
this
out
here
for
several
years
and
it
sounds
to
me
like
we
may
have
taken
care
of
one
of
the
major
issues
but-
and
this
is
representative
moser's
bill,
but
I
can
I
assume
that
she's
been
talking
with
senator
thayer,
because
he
was
sort
of
a
thorn
in
our
side,
the
last
time
bringing
up
some
of
the
issues
that
I
think
maybe
you've
addressed.
But
I'm
not
positive.
B
D
D
D
It
has
gotten
a
lot
of
public
attention
and
it
has
gotten
a
lot
of
legislative
attention,
maybe
not
getting
as
far
as
we
need
to
go,
but
at
least
at
least,
I
think
we're
on
the
track,
but
we
need
to
really
keep
our
head
down
and
keep
going
after
this
thing
so
anyway,
I
appreciate
the
work
that
everybody's
done
on
this
representative.
Moser
needs
our
support.
I
think
in
getting
this
stuff
through
there
getting
everything
through
so.
B
B
You
know,
take
you
know,
working
on
that
and
then
again
covet
hit
and
it
all
just
kind
of
went,
but
let's
see
and
well
and-
and
there
were
a
couple
of
other
senators
committee
chairs
who
were
who
were
very
interested
in
it
as
well.
So
again,
I
think
we
can,
you
know,
start
start
up
again
and
then
20
course
2021.
B
It
was
really
because
everything
was
so
taken
up
with
covid,
really
the
the
discussion
that
we
had
had
represented
moser,
and
I
at
least
was
that
it.
You
know
there
was
just
not
a
lot
of
bandwidth,
I
mean
everybody
would
and-
and
you
know
justifiably
so
you
know
everybody's
just
trying
to
get
through
covet
and
address
those
budgetary
concerns
and
and
economic
type
concerns.
So
all
that's
to
say
that
yes,
yeah
I
mean
I,
I
think,
you're
right.
B
I
think
it
their
concerns
about
language,
and
that
makes
sense,
but
but
all
we
can
do
is
try
to
work
on
it
and
and
get
something
that
again
makes
sense
and
that's
clear
as
clear
as
it
can
be
again.
You
can't
it.
You
know
it's
hard
to
have
a
laundry
list
of
things.
You
know
that
you
don't
do.
I
mean
that's,
why
we
kind
of
felt
like
tying
it
to
the
to
the
the
law.
B
B
B
Right,
I
mean
we're
not
in
past
ways
that
we've
done
it.
We
had
sent
over
a
like
a
bill,
all
drafted
and-
and
you
know
which
was
okay
as
a
starting
point,
but
I
think
it's
probably
better
to
just
give
the
general
framework
and
then
you
know
work
from
there
does
that
does
that
make
sense?
I
mean,
I
think.
B
B
That
was
that
was
really
our
reason
for
for
taking
out
the
lrc
director,
for
example,
taking
that
out
of
the
bill,
because
before
we
had
one
of
the
one
of
the
proposals
had
had
put
that
within
our
within
your
all's
purview
as
and
and
actually
in
previous
ideas.
Some
had
wanted
employee
versus
employee
types
of
allegations
to
go
to
us
and
again
you
know
we're
just
you
know,
having
worked
over
there
and
worked
in
kind
of
the
it
is
an
hr,
a
turn
or
advising
you
know
hr.
B
You
know,
I
just
think
that's
a
bridge
too
far.
I
mean
we're
really
concerned
with
legislative
and
lobbyist
actions,
but
to
allow
allow
the
the
employees
there
to
have
that
safety
valve
though,
and-
and
I
think
that
is
important-
you
know
because
again
they
they
should
have
the
ability
to
you
know
to
come
to
someone
other
than
you
know.
Maybe
the
leadership
that
are
doing
some
things
that
they
shouldn't
be
doing
so
is
that
does
that
make
sense.
A
A
A
Very
good
is
there
a
second
a
second
okay,
tony
gates,
second
set
motion:
is
there
any
discussion
appearing
to
be
none
all
those
who
favor
the
motion
signify
with
saying
aye
aye
all
opposed?
No,
you
guys
have
it
and
it
is
so
ordered
or,
if
you'll
take
care
of
that
for
us
and
then
keep
us
abreast
of
how
that
how
that
little
saga
continues
or
gets
resolved.
A
And
do
we
have
any
people
that
would
like
to
volunteer
to
be
with
tony
on
that
committee?
What
that's
going
to
do?
What
they're
going
to
do
is
look
at
our
staff
salaries
and
see
how
our
folks
are
being
compensated
versus
other
comparable
people
and
make
sure
that
we
keep
our
folks,
our
very
talented
staff,
up
to
paid
levels
of
other
comparable
people.