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F
F
We
have
several
things
that
we
have
two
things
actually,
when
I
say
several
we'll
have
several
things
from
the
graves
county
folks,
but
with
regards
to
today's
agenda,
we
only
have
one
other
item
for
consideration
and
that
item
is
an
act
relating
to
the
unauthorized
practice
of
law.
We're
going
to
go
ahead
and
dispense
with
that
quickly
and
the
balance
of
the
time
will
be
saved
for
the
people
that
are
here,
the
judges,
the
the
clerk,
the
the
people
that
are
here
to
discuss
the
impact
of
the
recent
disaster
on
graves
county's
judicial
system.
F
G
G
This
would
alter
that
to
make
the
first
offense
a
class,
a
misdemeanor
and
any
subsequent
offense
class
d,
felony
and
I'll
be
happy
to
take
any
questions.
F
F
Realistically,
I
was
thinking
and
how
this
would
actually
be
impacted,
it's
possible
that
a
person
could
get
a
misdemeanor
on
the
first
offense
and
be
diverted
and
then
possibly
get
a
misdemeanor
offense
again
and
then
go
to
felony,
where
they
might
also
then
be
eligible
for
a
felony
diversion.
I
think
the
issue
is
we
don't
want
people
to
continue
acting
out
and
practicing
law
without
a
license.
F
It's
happened
a
number
of
times,
in
fact,
in
my
history
I
know
of
some
folks
that
were
doing
estate
cases
appearing
in
court
et
cetera
only
to
be
queried
and
when
they
were
queried
they
did
not
attend
law
school.
They
didn't
have
a
license.
They
were
just
doing
what
they
do
kind
of
like
the
book
catch
me.
If
you
can
so
that's
the
purpose
of
the
bill,
I
was
asked
to
see
if
we
could
get
a
draft
representative.
F
Elliot
was
kind
enough
to
sponsor
it
with
that
we
will
certainly
take
questions
representative,
scott.
A
G
Well,
I
think
the
reason
is
that
if
someone
has
committed
this
offense-
which
I
think
that's
what
it
is
obviously
and
then
they
are
persistent
in
continuing
to
commit
the
offense
under
our
present
statute,
there
is
no
increase
available
in
the
penalty
and
so
that
the
reason
that
I've
done
this
is
that
I
think
that
it's
obviously
someone
who's
done
this
over
and
over
again
needs
to
be
appropriately
punished
in
order
to
create
a
deterrent
effect.
I
think
is,
would
be
my
response.
So
thank
you
for
the
question.
H
Representative,
I
think,
mr
chairman,
it
seems
to
me
like
one
year
in
prison
when
we're
in
jail
is
enough
of
a
penalty
here.
I
think
the
courts
can
also
take
action,
hold
someone
in
contempt
of
court
and
hold
them
indefinitely
or
make
some
kind
of
an
agreement.
It
seems
to
me
like
making
a
we
have.
We
we
pass
out
felonies
like
their
candy
around
here
and
it
seems,
like
we've
got
a
number
of
a
number
of
statutes
or
number
of
bills
that
are
increasing
felonies,
increasing
penalties
again
this
year.
H
What
we
need
is
we
need
to
look
at
the
penal
code
and
the
holistic
approach.
We
wrote
it
in
the
1970s.
I
think
we
should
look
at
it
in
a
holistic
approach,
so
I
don't
think
this
is
necessary.
Unlawful
practice
of
law
is
a
is
an
important
thing,
but
should
it
be
a
felony,
I
don't
think
it
should
be,
and
so
I'm
going
to
vote
no
on
this.
I
respect
the
position
that
you're
taking
but
seems
to
me
like
a
year
in
jail,
is
a
pretty
significant
penalty
and
that's
already
on
the
books.
G
And
if
I
might
respond,
mr
chairman,
I
appreciate
the
the
constructive
criticism.
I
agree
with
you
that
we
do
need
to
take
a
holistic,
general
review
of
of
the
of
the
code
in
its
entirety,
and
I
know
you've
worked
hard
to
do
that.
You've
made
an
effort
to
do
that.
It's
it's
hard,
as
you
know,
to
to
to
pass
things
around
here.
It's
which
is
probably
a
good
thing,
but
I
understand
the
point
that
you're
making.
G
I
think
the
only
counter
I
would
make
to
that
is
that
the
first
offense
is
obviously
a
misdemeanor.
Hopefully
they
don't
ever
do
it
again
would
be
my
hope,
and
maybe
the
increase
in
penalty
here
that
they
could
be
looking
at
if
they
if
they
decide
well,
I
might
try
that
again.
I
might
try
to
be
a
lawyer
again
tomorrow
might
deter
it.
So
that
would
be
my
response.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
B
B
G
That's
a
great
question:
it
would
obviously
apply
where
the
license
has
been,
as
you
say,
revoked,
which
is
which
is
a
disbarment
in
in
our
world
in
in
the
legal
world
in
in
the
instance
where
someone
has
a
license
that
has
been
suspended,
usually
for
a
period
of
time,
they're
not
permitted
to
practice
law
during
that
time
of
suspension
or
the
suspension
would
not
be
worthwhile
or
effective
against
the
against
the
behavior.
G
I
think
that
this
would
apply,
but
I
I
I
can
see
an
argument
where
the
person
has
not
permanently
lost
their
license
and
there
would
be,
I
think,
a
judgment
call
for
the
prosecutor,
whether
that's
you
know
a
county
attorney
in
the
instance
of
a
of
a
misdemeanor
or
for
subsequent
offenses,
a
commonwealth
attorney
who
would
prosecute
felonies.
So
I
think
there
would
be
some
call
from
that
individual
as
to
whether
or
not
to
prosecute
under
this
statute.
G
B
G
B
So,
can
you
tell
me
what
is
defined
by
the
rule
of
the
supreme
court
as
engaging
in
the
pro
in
the
practice.
G
I
cannot,
and
I
probably
could
look
that
up
on
my
phone.
I
would
think
just
from
the
person
it
would
be
someone
who
you're
saying
what
the
supreme
court
rule
is.
B
G
I
would
practice
I
would
think
it
would
be
you're
talking
about
how
it's
defined
here.
I
think
you
would
be
holding
yourself
out
as
an
attorney.
G
B
G
G
Sure
well,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
keep
in
mind
that
you
know
we
have.
We
have
elected
prosecutors
who.
H
G
And
so
forth,
and
so
I
I
just
can't
foresee
county
attorneys.
G
F
F
And,
as
a
point
of
chairman's
privilege,
I
will
also
say
that
many
of
us
that
are
in
here
this
room
are
obviously
practicing
attorneys.
We
went
through
the
hard
work
of
going
to
undergrad
going
to
law
school,
I'm
holding
ourselves
out
there
and
we're
supposed
to
avoid
even
the
appearance
of
impropriety,
and
so
therefore
somewhat
it's
degra
denigrating
to
our
profession.
F
If
somebody
is
able
to
go
out
and
just
hold
themselves
out
as
a
lawyer
when
they
haven't
paid
the
price,
if
you
will,
they
haven't
done
the
hard
work
to
get
to
where
lawyers
are
when
they
are
licensed
before
the
court.
F
I
often
said
jokingly
when
I
first
heard
about
this
that
well,
if
I
had
known
that
it
was
just
a
misdemeanor
and
I
was
just
going
to
get
fined,
I
could
have
avoided
law
school
altogether
and
the
student
loans
would
go
with
it.
So
that
being
said,
I
think
it's
something
that
we
don't
really
see
that
there's
going
to
be
a
rash
of
prosecutions
for
this.
The
idea
is
that,
if
somebody
does
it,
then
they
will
think
twice
before
they
do
it
again.
F
F
Your
second,
we
have
a
motion
on
the
bill
by
representative
banta
and
the
second
by
representative
bratcher.
Madam
clerk,
please
call
the
roll.
B
C
B
C
D
I
It's
on
sorry,
can
you
hear
me
just
briefly
explain
my
vote.
I'm
gonna
vote
yes
on
this
bill.
Typically,
I
would
be.
I
agree
with
my
colleague
from
jefferson
33,
that
we
don't
need
to
keep
adding
felonies,
but
there
is
a
a
scourge
of
unlawful
practice
of
law
in
immigration
specifically,
and
it
is,
I
have
seen
firsthand
the
personal,
emotional
and
financial
devastation
that
occurs
so
if
this
results
in
deterring
even
one
person
from
continuing
to
practice
what
hold
themselves
out
as
practicing
law
in
that
field,
I
think
this
is
an
important
step.
H
Explain
my
vote,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
please
I
I
just
want
to
reiterate.
I
agree
with
these
comments.
Normally
I'm
not
for
adding
another
felony,
but
here's
some
place
that
I
think
we
need
that
that
deterrent.
If
you
will,
I
don't
really
anticipate
and
there
is
a
impact
statement
that
seems
to
indicate
they
don't
you
know.
No
one
believes
this
is
going
to
increase
the
jail
population
or
the
cost.
But
more
importantly,
my
yes
vote
is
for
that
nice.
Looking
suit
and
shirt.
So
thank
you.
B
H
A
F
B
F
With
there
being
14,
yes
votes
and
two
no
votes,
hb
256
is
passed
will
be
reported
with
favorable
expression
that
the
same
should
pass.
So
thank
you,
representative,
elliott,
at
this
time
we're
going
to
transition
into
what's
going
to
be,
I
think,
a
very
informed
discussion,
but
certainly
in
the
on
the
heels
of
a
very
tragic
incident
that
happened
in
our
state
in
western
kentucky.
F
I
was
prompted
to
this
idea
after
having
the
privilege
to
make
a
trip
down
there
and
to
tour
mayfield
with
circuit
judge,
kevin
bishop
with
district
judge,
deborah
crooks
with
the
the
clerk
emily
buzanus.
I
hope
I
said
that
correctly
with
county
attorney
john
cunningham
and
with
sheriff
john
hayden.
F
Besides
just
seeing
the
devastation
we
began
to
discuss,
how
do
you?
How
do
you
deal
with
this?
How
do
you
deal
with
a
courthouse
that
no
longer
is
functional?
How
do
you
deal
with
a
jail
that
was
destroyed?
How
do
you
deal
with
inmates
that
are
being
housed
in
counties
outside
the
area
when
it
comes
to
venue?
F
F
I've
talked
with
them
at
length
and
I
asked
them
to
come
present.
There
are
many
things
that
we
can
learn
out
of
tragedy,
for
instance,
and
I
know
that
that
sheriff
hayden
will
talk
about
this.
I
was
appalled
to
learn
that
on
one
occasion
they
captured
six
people
that
among
them
had
122
thousand
dollars
in
cash
that
they
had
looted
from
people's
homes
that
were
destroyed
and
their
story
after
story
of
those
kind
of
things.
F
So
I've
asked
them
to
come
to
present
today
to
tell
us
what
we
might
be
able
to
do
to
help
them.
I
know
today
on
the
floor,
we're
going
to
hear
house
bill
five
and
if
any
of
the
folks
that
have
made
the
journey
here
would
like
to
hear
that
debate
on
the
floor
about
relief
for
those
affected
by
the
tornadoes,
then
we
certainly
welcome
you
to
attend.
F
C
Well
good
afternoon
committee
and
thank
you
for
having
us
and
having
our
folks
from
the
flatlands
of
western
kentucky
to
to
come
up
and
give
you
some
information.
I'll
start
with
the
introductions
for
the
record.
I'm
representative,
richard
heath
representing
district
two
to
my
right
is
our
district
judge,
deborah
crooks
and
then
our
circuit
judge
kevin
bishop,
our
graves
county
circuit
clerk,
emily
busanis
and
our
sheriff
john
hayden.
J
J
J
J
J
J
Those
flags
will
continue
to
serve
in
a
place
position
of
honor
in
my
new
office
once
we
are
up
and
running.
This
is
another
picture
of
the
courtroom.
With
a
bench
justice,
nickel
myself,
my
predecessor
judge
timothy
stark
court
of
appeals,
judge
chris
mcneil
and
sheriff
hayden.
I
wanted
to
show
you
this
and
I
apologize.
These
are
the
only
photos
of
my
courtroom.
I
have
it
was
a
large
bench.
J
Currently,
there
are
over
471
families
that
are
displaced
471
families.
Their
tornado
actually
was
in
graves
county
from
9
16
pm
to
9
29
pm
and
continued
on
its
destructive
path.
On
into
kentucky,
when
I
arrived
after
midnight
in
downtown
to
look
and
to
get
there,
I
had
to
drive
representative
heath
lives
out
past
me.
He
knows
what
it
was
you
had
to
dodge
down
light
poles
drive
over
live
wires,
miss
trees,
debris
was
strewn
everywhere.
J
J
J
As
suddenly,
as
the
noise
came,
it
left
and
it
was
quiet-
I
got
up,
went
outside
with
a
light,
went
around
her
roof.
The
best
I
could
tell
I
knew
I
had
a
lot
of
shingles
missing,
but
the
roof
looked
intact.
For
the
most
part,
there
was
debris
everywhere
there
were
trees
down
my
driveway,
I
went
back
inside
my
house,
no
electricity,
no
water,
no
internet,
and
then
my
cell
phone
started
ringing,
my
internet
at
my
home,
and
I
don't
live
that
far
out
of
mayfield.
J
J
J
J
J
I
put
this
one
in
here
simply
to
let
you
know
that
in
the
center
you
see
that
one
dark
piece
of
timber
protruding
upward
it
has
nails
in
it.
You
can
see
the
nails
sticking
out
if
you
can't
see
it
here,
but
if
you
look
closely
and
representative
massey
saw
these,
those
nails
are
square-headed
hand-forged
nails.
J
J
J
I
want
to
personally
thank
chief
justice,
minton
aoc
director
lori
dungeon,
alc,
executive
officer
of
facilities,
danny
rhodes
and
many
other
aoc
personnel
who
have
came
down
to
assist
us
chief,
justice,
minton
and
lori
and
others
and
danny
came
down
on
that
sunday
and
helped
load
up
on
sunday.
We
were
still
fairly
dry.
We
had
had
water
damage
from
the
tornado,
but
there
were
a
lot
of
areas
that
were
salvageable
somewhere
between
sunday
and
monday
morning
and
mind
you
in
another
part
of
town.
J
J
I've
requested
our
judge
executive
to
safeguard
this
valuable
piece
of
history
and
display
it
in
our
temporary
court
facilities
once
we're
up
and
running,
and
I
would
like
it
placed
in
the
new
court
facility
in
the
future
once
we
have
plans
in
place
for
that
representative
massey
asked
me
what
the
impact
on
the
judicial
system
was.
It
was
catastrophic,
it
was
immediate
and
it
was
a
complete
shutdown.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
The
cost
of
the
construction
is
beyond
my
bailiwick.
I
deal
with
court,
I
don't
deal
with
the
budgets
on
those
I've
been
advised,
and
people
from
aoc
can
answer
those
questions.
I've
been
advised
it's
three
million
dollars,
minimum
to
get
two
court
rooms,
a
circuit,
clerk's
office
up
and
the
necessary
minimum
facilities
for
us
to
function.
J
I
will
say:
aoc
has
a
floor
plan
in
place.
They
designed
that
in
extremely
short
amount
of
time
they
received
input
from
all
of
us.
Here
they
were
very
accommodating
and
I
am
just
quite
frankly,
blown
away
with
the
professionalism
and
speed
by
which
they
have
developed
a
floor
plan
that
is
functional
for
us.
We
just
need
it
constructed.
J
J
All
the
wet
files
have
been
shipped
to
detroit
michigan
for
processing,
it's
beyond
my
comprehension,
but
they
freeze
them,
and
then
they
go
through
a
process
to
restore
them.
It's
going
to
be
months
before
we
get
those
back
minimum
of
three
months.
So
what
can
we
do?
In
the
interim?
We
can't
deal
with
all
those
cases
because
they're
up
there,
we
don't
have
a
file
to
look
at
what
we
can
deal
with
are
the
new
cases
coming
in.
What
we
can
deal
with
in
are
the
new
arrests.
We
have
indictments.
J
J
J
J
I
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
and
again
ask
for
your
full
support.
My
colleagues
here
have
some
comments
as
well,
so
I
would,
with
your
permission,
mr
chairman,
pass
the
mic
to
district
judge
deborah
crooks.
E
Thank
you.
I
want
to
thank
representative
massey
for
coming
down
and
meeting
with
us
and
and
for
arranging
this
as
well.
I
want
to
thank
the
people
of
aoc
who
were
immediately
on
site
to
help
us
in
this
time
of
of
tragedy.
I
had
actually
arranged
to
be
in
lexington
and
drove
up
the
day
of
the
tornado,
because
my
my
grandson
was
going
to
be
born
in
lexington
the
next
day
and
I'd
arranged
for
my
docket
to
be
covered.
E
The
next
week
I
had
colleagues
who
were
going
to
help
me
out
had
everybody
in
my
jail
reigned
up
at
that
time
and
was
prepared
to
roll
and
four
hours
after
after
I
reached
lexington,
my
hometown,
where
I've
lived,
my
entire
life
was
pretty
much
wiped
out.
I
spent
40
minutes
not
knowing
if
I
still
had
a
husband
or
not
or
a
home
finally
talked
to
him
and
found
out.
They
were
pretty
much
intact,
but
didn't
have
any
power.
E
He
didn't
realize
at
that
point
how
bad
things
were
at
1,
30
jason
kirk
with
aoc
called
me
to
check
on
my
personal
safety,
and
I
told
him
I
was
in
lexington
and
he
said
well,
your
courthouse
is
gone.
Your
downtown
is
gone.
Large
groups
of
your
neighborhoods
are
gone.
Aoc
is
on
the
way
at
3,
30
sheriff
hayden
called
me
to
see.
E
If
my
husband
was
with
me-
and
I
said
no,
but
I
have
talked
to
him-
I
don't
think
he
realizes
the
gravity
of
the
situation
yet
because
everything
was
just
dark
and
he
went
to
bed.
But
I
said
I'm
gonna
call
him
here
in
a
little
bit
and
get
him
up
tell
him
to
get
the
generator
going.
We
had
a
generator
we'd
had
since
the
ice
storm
and
I
said,
get
him
to
see
if
he
can
come
down
and
help
out
as
well.
E
Had
it
not
been
for
my
colleagues,
my
husband,
my
administrative
assistant
and
her
husband,
the
clerk
judge,
bishop,
some
of
my
csos.
I
would
have
gotten
nothing
probably
out
of
my
office
because
I
was
out
of
town
and
I'm
very
appreciative
to
them
to
risk
in
their
lives
to
go
in
there,
because
by
the
time
I
got
back
to
mayfield
floors
were
buckling.
Things
were
still
falling
from
the
ceiling.
Everything
was
wet
already
beginning
to
smell,
horrendously
it
just
simply
wasn't
safe
to
be
in
the
building,
but
we've
made
multiple
trips
in.
E
Despite
that
to
get
things
that
we
would
think
of
that
we
knew
we
needed
my
secretary
managed
to
grab
a
handful
of
stationery
and
a
box
of
envelopes
because
she
knew
we
were
going
to
need
those
and
and
just
took
out
what
she
could
carry.
So
we
we've
gotten
out
some
things.
Aoc
was
very
quick
in
in
getting
us
some
facilities
and
drawing
up
that
plan
we
are
very
impressed
with
the
plan.
I
I
required
very
few
changes
and
in
fact
it
was.
E
It
was
a
pretty
good
plan
with
just
some
very
minor
modifications
to
it,
but
it
is
going
to
require
some
immediate
funding,
you're
turning
retail
space
into
court
space,
and
that's
that's
not
easy.
We're
going
to
be
the
only
courthouse
that
has
its
own
tattoo
parlor,
but
I
guess
it'll
be
one-stop
shopping
next.
E
Our
current
office,
in
which
we
do
share
the
wall,
my
personal
office,
was
we
were
in
a
former
church
part
that
had
been
used
as
a
church
and
and
my
actual
office
is
a
is
a
small
room.
My
secretary
and
I
are
both
in
that
office
and
it
was
four
different
colors.
It
was
turquoise,
bright,
yellow
orange
and
hot
pink,
and
my
secretary
over
the
weekend
took
it
upon
herself
to
paint
it
about
the
color
of
this
room
and
hang
my
salvage
seal
of
justice
behind
my
desk.
E
So
I
could
do
virtual
hearings
and
look
somewhat
professional
in
doing
so.
So
when
I
came
in
monday
and
saw
that
that
changed
my
attitude
quite
a
bit,
she
felt
a
little
bad
painting
over
the
jesus,
lesbian
and
the
handprints
on
the
door,
but
but
we
felt
like
we
needed
to
make
it
look
a
little
bit
like
a
courtroom.
E
I
have
not
been
very
generous
with
the
looters
if
it's
a
case
that
comes
in
front
of
me
and
it's
someone
from
maine
who's
come
down
not
to
aid
us,
but
to
take
advantage
of
people
who
are
left
with
very
little.
I
haven't
felt
very
merciful
toward
them,
but
everyone
else
we've
tried
to
be
somewhat
generous
with
bonds,
because
right
now
we
have
no
jail.
Our
jail
was
destroyed
in
this
process
as
well,
and
all
of
our
prisoners
are
being
housed
in
outlying
counties.
E
One
problem
I
am
encountering
judge
bishop
said
that
we
are
ready
to
go
we're
ready
to
to
do
things.
Virtually
there
are
some
snags
there
are.
There
are
some
locations,
some
jails
that
do
not
do
virtual
hearings.
Fulton
county
is
one
they
said,
they're
available
audio
only
well.
If
any
of
you
are
attorneys,
you've
ever
done
a
preliminary
hearing,
a
probable
cause
hearing
and
you
ask
a
witness
to
identify
a
someone-
is
that
the
person
you
arrested
for
less
and
so
offense
and
they
say
no.
E
I
can't
tell
you
that,
because
they're
available
audio
only
I
cannot
see
them.
Then
you
very
well
can't
identify
the
person
you're
talking
about.
So
there
are
challenges
to
virtual
court.
People
don't
take
it
seriously.
You
know
you're
trying
to
have
someone
understand
that
they
are
still
in
a
court
setting.
Even
though
they're
virtual
and
they're
laying
in
bed
smoking
a
cigarette.
You
know
they
they're.
You
know,
there's
dogs
barking
in
the
background
there's
children
screaming
in
the
background.
E
You
know
it's
it's
just
not
good
for
court
and
then
you
have
people
who
don't
have
on
a
regular
day,
the
same
type
of
of
internet
or
bandwidth
that
they
need
for
these
hearings,
and
now
we've
had
a
tornado.
That's
come
through
and
and
compromised
a
lot
of
our
infrastructure
and
we
still
don't
have
what
we
need.
So
I
you
know
I've
done
two
arraignment
sessions
so
far
with
with
the
jails
that
had
the
most
of
our
defendants
in
them
callaway
county,
mccracken
county.
E
I
have
more
scheduled
later
this
week,
but
but
I
don't
know
what
I'm
gonna
do
about
fulton,
except
they
might
be
on
by
phone.
Maybe
I
we
need
your
help.
We
need
it
now.
We
need
it
yesterday
as
quickly
as
we
can
get
that
temporary
space
retrofitted
and
set
up
for
court.
That's
what
we
need.
We
need
at
least
one
courtroom
as
quickly
as
we
can.
Even
if
judge
bishop-
and
I
have
to
take
turns
with
it-
we
need
some
things
to
be
held
in
person
and
not
virtual.
E
Not
everything
can
be
done
virtually.
We
were
just
starting
to
get
caught
up
from
covid,
and
this
is
I've
been
an
attorney
for
36
years,
and
this
is
my
20th
year
as
district
judge,
I'm
going
to
retire
at
the
end
of
this
term.
That
was
the
plan
before
the
tornado.
So
a
new
facility
is
not
going
to
benefit
me
at
all.
I'm
asking
for
that.
For
my
colleagues
and
for
our
community
we
need
it.
E
We
need
a
temporary
facility
now
that
needs
to
be
authorized
on
an
emergency
basis,
so
it
can
be
done
as
quickly
as
possible,
but
we
need
a
new
facility.
I
think
that
will
be
a
sign
of
hope
for
our
community
when
you've
got
an
entire
downtown.
That's
been
wiped
out.
You
know
your
public
buildings
are
the
anchors
for
those
communities,
they're
the
ones
that
the
industry
looks
at.
They
are
the
ones
that
people
come
into
to
seek
information.
E
E
If
they
see
our
courthouse
come
back,
I
think
that's
going
to
give
our
community
hope
that
maybe
mayfield
and
graves
county
is
going
to
come
back
because
that's
going
to
be
one
of
our
anchors
for
our
community,
but
you
know
there
is
an
old
saying:
the
justice
delayed
is
justice
denied.
You
know
if
you
are
a
litigant
or
you're
a
defendant
with
rights.
You
know.
Maybe
you
know
if
you're
accused
of
a
crime
or
you
have
a
family
member
who's
accused
of
a
crime.
E
You
know
you're
entitled
to
have
a
speedy
resolution
of
your
claims
and
there's
going
to
be
nothing
speedily
resolved
in
graves
county
for
a
good
while,
as
I
said,
we've
been
delayed
by
kova
just
starting
to
get
back
in
the
swing
of
things,
and
now
now
this
has
struck.
So
I
may
have
done
the
last
jury
trial
of
my
career
and
not
known
it
at
the
time,
and
I
never
thought
I
would
finish
my
career
without
a
courtroom.
But
right
now
I
do
not
have
one.
E
I
have
a
small
office
about
the
size,
probably
one
of
your
bathrooms
that
was
multicolored
and
has
been
painting
beige
by
my
secretary
and
we're
working
with
some
bare
bones
things.
So
I
I'm
hoping
judge
bishop
won't
be
too
loud
when
I
try
to
do
do
my
hearings,
but
we're
going
to
do
the
best
we
can-
and
I
thank
you
for
your
time.
E
K
Good
afternoon,
on
wednesday
december,
the
8th
we
began
hearing
about
the
possibility
of
severe
storms
in
a
possible
tornado
threat
for
our
area
and
far
western
kentucky
as
time
progressed.
The
urgency
in
the
weather
forecasters
outlook
on
what
to
expect
began
to
ramp
up
on
friday
december.
The
10th
that
whole
day,
I
recall,
being
mindful
of
the
threat
and
found
myself
routinely
checking
the
latest
word
on
the
weather
outlook.
K
At
about
8
pm
we
began
hearing
the
storms
were
igniting
to
our
south
and
soon
thereafter
learned
that
a
tornado
was
on
the
ground
in
arkansas
heading
northeast,
as
the
tornado
began,
getting
closer
to
our
county
near
9pm,
myself
and
other
deputies
headed
towards
the
west
end
of
graves
county
near
the
hickman
county
line.
K
As
we
learned
that
the
devastation
from
this
particular
tornado
was
catastrophic
to
our
south
in
my
mind,
I
was
concerned
about
us
not
being
able
to
get
into
that
area
and
render
aid
afterwards
once
arriving
in
the
general
area,
we
ran
the
roads
with
lights
and
sirens,
also
utilizing
the
pa
systems
in
our
cruisers
to
alert
the
residents
in
that
area
of
an
impending
tornado
at
about
9
30
p.m.
Two
deputy
sheriffs
were
about
two.
K
This
is
a
photograph.
Could
you
forward
judge
scroll
through
that's
three
of
them.
This
is
one
of
the
patrol
cars
that
one
of
the
deputies
was
in
that
was
struck
by
the
tornado,
and
you
can
see
a
large
piece
of
of
lumber
penetrated
his
rear
quarter
panel.
K
All
his
windows
were
knocked
out
his
car.
Actually,
he
was
facing
one
direction
once
the
tornado
got
done
with
him,
he
was
facing
the
opposite
direction.
It's
an
absolute
miracle
that
he
wasn't
injured
from
that.
K
I
turned
around
to
go
check
on
the
two
deputies,
the
closer
I
got.
I
found
that
the
roadway
was
littered
with
trees,
power
lines,
parts
of
houses
and
other
debris
once
reaching
their
location.
I
found
that
there
are
two
sheriff
patrol
cars
in
the
roadway,
badly
damaged
with
the
windows
knocked
out
and
totaled.
K
K
K
We
found
an
interior
door
in
some
nearby
rubble
and
utilized
it
as
a
backboard.
We
then
carried
her
to
a
waiting
patrol
car
being
as
no
ambulances
were
available
just
over
the
hill
from
this
location
and
across
the
field,
deputies
found
an
amish
couple
and
their
two
children
deceased
lived
at
a
sawmill
that
they
owned
and
operated.
K
K
In
county
and
out
of
county
volunteers,
police,
sheriff's
offices,
ems
personnel,
fire
department,
swarmed
our
city
and
county
in
under
an
hour
of
this
tornado,
there
are
so
many
heroic
things
that
occurred,
and
so
many
lives
were
saved.
As
the
number
of
injured
people
were
well
up
into
the
hundreds,
some
of
which,
to
this
day
remain
hospitalized.
K
Once
arriving
there,
I
found
our
historic
courthouse
in
ruins:
severely
damaged
windows,
blown
out
and
generally
unsecure
measures
were
immediately
taken
to
assure
that
the
department's
evidence
room
was
secure
and
then
efforts
made
to
assess
the
damage.
I
made
contact
with
both
judge
bishop
and
judge
crooks
to
make
them
aware
of
the
condition
of
the
courthouse.
Their
offices
and
our
court
records
my
report
to
them
both
was
not
a
good
one.
K
A
few
days
after
the
tornado,
we
began
seeing
a
lot
of
out-of-state
cars
arriving
in
our
county.
Many
of
these
folks
came
to
help
us
caring
for
displaced
residents
in
too
many
ways
to
mention,
but
then,
of
course,
we
saw
some
of
them.
Taking
advantage
of
our
situation,
we
began
to
notice
some
looting
and
thefts
from
the
tornado-ravaged
areas
of
mayfield
and
graves
county.
K
They
were
literally
hundreds
of
cars
and
trucks,
tossed
blown
and
otherwise
destroyed
that
the
scrappers
were
loading
up
on
trailers
in
flatbed
trucks
to
haul
them
out
of
our
area.
To
be
crushed
for
scrap
value
to
extra
patrol
these
damaged
areas
around
the
clock
was
beyond
the
ability
of
our
local
law
enforcement
agencies.
K
K
If
I
could,
we
have
received
assistance
from
the
calloway
county,
sheriff's
office,
murray
police
department,
mccracken
county
sheriff's
office,
paducah
police
department,
audubon
park
police
department,
louisville,
metro,
jefferson,
county
sheriff's
office,
shelby,
county
frankfort,
police
department,
lawrenceburg
police
department,
southgate
police
department,
cold
spring
police
department,
covington
anchorage
bullitt,
county
sheriff's
office
campbell
county
mason,
county
boone,
florence,
pd
madison,
county
sheriff's
office,
webster,
county
esso,
glasgow,
hodgenville,
ballard,
carlisle,
ksp,
troopers
from
across
the
state
and
department
of
fish
and
wildlife
officers.
All
of
these
agencies
have
been
assisting
us
around
the
clock.
K
K
I
would
like
to
share
to
wrap
this
up
the
names
of
the
of
the
people
that
we
lost
in
mayfield
and
graves
county.
D
D
D
We
have
a
hard
time
keeping
good
employees
and
I
have
13
deputies
right
now,
and
four
of
them
are
new
and
don't
really
know
much
what's
going
on.
They
don't
really
know
what
they're
doing,
and
that
makes
it
hard.
D
D
I'd
also
like
to
again
ask
for
you
know
our
new
facility
to
be
built
back
as
soon
as
possible,
where
we're
at
now
is
great.
It's
functional.
We
have
everything
we
need,
except
for
as
far
as
the
clerk's
office
goes,
it's
not
real.
Secure.
We've
had
just
random
people
wandering
in
you
know,
wanting
to
use
our
restrooms
or
there's
one
area
in
our
location
that
a
homeless
guy
has
been
living
in.
I'm
sure
it's
about
all.
D
He
could
find
right
now,
but
I'd
like
for
my
my
girls
to
feel
safe
and
have
have
a
a
good
temporary
location
to
work
out
of
and
the
sooner
we
can
get
that
done,
the
better
for
us
in
graves
county
and
again
the
deputy
clerks
all
over
the
state.
I
know
they
need
they
deserve
more
than
they
get
right
now,
and
I
just
ask
you
to
remember
that,
and
I
think
that
would
be
the
most
helpful
thing
you
can
do
for
the
clerk's
office
right
now.
C
Thank
you
guys
again
for
coming.
You
all
have
done
a
good
job
pictures
once
pictures
worth
a
thousand
words,
so
that
was
the
toughest
part
sheriff.
I
couldn't
have
sat
there
and
read
those
names,
but
thank
you
for
doing
that
has
already
been
mentioned
house
bill.
5
will
be
voted
on
the
floor
today.
C
My
senator
jason
house
senate
bill
5
will
be
voted
on
today.
Those
will
come
together
after
session
and
be
presented
to
the
governor
for
his
signature
becomes
effective
immediately
upon
the
governor's
signature
looking
through
the
bill
just
now,
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
specifics
in
the
bill.
C
There's
30
million
two
out
of
200
million
dollars,
there's
30
million
dollars
earmarked
for
the
schools
and
then
there's
another
15
million
earmarked
for
temporary
housing,
at
least
155
million.
That's
not
earmarked
yet,
and
I
don't
want
to
put
words
in
the
leadership's
mouth
into
our
in
our
chair's
mouth,
but
obviously
we
will
be
having
those
conversations
with
them
to
find
out
what
the
other
155
million
is
for
and
is
it
three
million
of
that
available
for
the
immediate
needs.
C
That's
been
mentioned
here
today,
and
I
think
I
can
speak
for
my
my
senator
that
we'll
do
everything
we
can
to
expedite
this
and
and
take
care
of
our
communities.
F
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
presenting
here
today
and
I
will
say
that
john
cunningham
who's,
the
county
attorney,
wanted
to
be
here,
but
he
is
home
trying
to
get
his
roof
and
his
drywall
secured,
and
he
apparently
was
up
all
day
yesterday
and
he
also
had
some
of
those
heartbreaking
stories.
F
He
said
his,
I
think,
was
his
mother,
that
was
in
his
house
and
her
hat
in
the
house
and
only
place
there
wasn't
water
coming
through
the
ceiling
and
while
she
was
there
wrapped
up
in
a
blanket
two
people
came
through
the
window
saying
that
they
were
looking
for
a
lost
child
in
the
basement
named
lucy,
and
I
that
what
she
replied
I've
lived
here
since
1962.
F
and
there
are
no
basements
on
any
of
these
houses
and
there's
certainly
no
child
around
here
named
lucy,
and
that
was
immediately
following
the
tornado.
So
I
will
let
you
know
that
we've
introduced
or
we're
having
drafted
some
some
language
regarding
looting
and
certainly
in
the
in
the
throes
of
a
natural
disaster,
which
you
know
having
seen
that
you're
right
pictures
or
pictures.
F
But
just
having
seen
this,
the
broad
devastation
is
just
amazing,
so
he
I'm
sure
he
wanted
to
be
here
and
he's
regretful
that
he
couldn't
be
here,
and
certainly
we
don't
forget
those
other
communities
that
were
affected
like
bowling,
green
and
and
dawson
springs,
and
some
of
those
other
areas
as
well.
I
mean
there
are
they're
just
horrific
stories
out
there.
F
What
motivated
me
to
bring
them
here
was
simply
the
fact
is,
as
as
legislators
we're
here
to
to
govern
our
communities
to
to
provide
help
where
we
can
and
what
greater
inspiration
than
to
help
some
folks
that
are
really
trying
to
to
recover
from
what
was
just
so
tragic
with
that.
If
there's
going
to
be
any
comments
or
questions,
we'll
certainly
take
those
first,
we'll
start
with
representative
mentor.
B
B
I
want
to
have
conversations
with
you
all
and
with
chief
justice
minton,
my
constituent
about
the
reform
part
of
this.
In
my
other
life,
I'm
a
historian
and
so
many
records
over
the
years
have
been
lost
to
fire
and
flood
and
they're
parts
of
our
justice
system,
parts
of
our
history
and
the
commonwealth.
We
cannot
reconstruct
the
time
is
obviously
now
to
start
that
conversation
about
how
we
can
preserve
our
records
going
forward.
I'm
very
very
relieved
for
you
that
surf
pro
will
be
able
to
reconstruct
so
much
of
that.
B
How
lucky
you
are
how
unusual
that
is.
So,
thank
you
all
for
sharing
your
stories
and
we
we
share
in
in
that
struggle
in
my
district,
and
you
know
thank
you
to
the
gentleman
from
graves
for
your
your
wise
words
about
how
we
can
use
this
money
to
put
it
into
the
districts
right
now,
where
people
need
this
relief
and
how
we
can
put
it
toward
recovery
and,
ultimately,
reform.
F
I
do
have
one
one
question
to
the
judge:
judges.
F
You
had
indicated
to
me
that,
obviously
you
have
court
security
officers
that
were
impacted
by
this
and
that
there's
no
courts
to
have
security
over
to
some
degree
and
that
they
were
still
nonetheless
working
10
12
hours
a
day
just
trying
to
help
get
everything
up
to
speed.
We
talked
you
educated
me
a
little
bit
on
how
they're
paid
or
reimbursed
etc-
and
you
talked
about
maybe
there's
something
that
we
might
be
able
to
do
systematically
to
help
you
with
that.
Have
has
aoc
resolve
that.
Have
you
are
you
still
working
in
that
category?
J
J
J
We
have
I've
requested
at
our
temporary
facility
since
right
now
we're
just
there
it's
a
former,
it's
certainly
less
secure,
but
I've
requested
and
the
sheriff
has
graciously
sent
csos
to
be
there
at
any
time.
We're
open
and
that's
what's
needed
immediately
and
and
we're
working
out.
You
see
us
all
here,
we're
family,
maybe
not
biologically,
but
we're
family.
We
work
together
and
we
do
work
together
and
right
now
we
have
had
such
an
outcropping
of
support
from
judges
from
other
police
agencies
from
other
clerks.
J
E
J
H
Thank
you
guys
for
your
presentation.
I
also
want
to
recognize
the
chief
justice
and
miss
dungeon
have
been
recognized.
Justice
keller
is
here
as
well,
so
the
court
of
justice
stands
behind.
You.
I'm
also
proud
that
on
your
list,
sheriff
that
you
mentioned,
you
mentioned
a
number
of
jurisdictions
that
I
s
that
I
represent
representative
decker,
shelby,
county,
jefferson,
county
anchorage
as
well.
H
F
All
right
that
will
conclude
our
the
presentation.
Certainly
some
of
the
members
may
want
to
talk
with
you
following
this
again,
we
will
be
hearing
the
only
order
of
the
day,
as
I
understand
is
house
bill
5.,
and
so,
if
you
would
like
to
stay
around
or
you
can
stay
around,
I
know
you
have
business
back
in
your
community,
but
certainly
as
it
relates
to
you,
if
you
would
like
to
stay
around,
we
invite
you
to
do
so.
We
thank
you
for
being
here.
F
I
know
it's
a
somber
way
to
end
a
meeting.
I
typically
am
more
upbeat
and
and
positive,
and
I
still
am
because
I'm
encouraged
by
the
hope
that
I
saw
when
I
visited
mayfield
and
the
surrounding
areas
life
does
go
on.
Life
will
go
on.
I
just
pray
that
that,
like
many
disasters,
everybody's
supportive
for
the
first
few
days
or
weeks,
but
then
life
goes
back
to
normal
and
sometimes
those
those
folks
are
forgotten
and
we
don't
want
you
to
be
forgotten
as
kentuckians
or
citizens
of
the
commonwealth.