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A
C
C
C
To
understand
why
this
is
important.
The
gentleman
representative
santora
from
district
60
and
I
both
represent
over
56
000
people,
which
is
11
000
more
than
what
we
should
have,
and
we
have
six
house
districts
that
have
less
than
40
000
people.
Under
this
proposal,
hopkins
henderson
and
barron
counties
would
become
single
county
districts.
C
Every
single
district
is
entirely
contiguous
and
as
compact
as
practicable,
given
variables
like
topography
and
existing
county
precinct
lines,
the
two
primary
requirements
of
equal
population
and
not
splitting
counties
mostly
shape
the
map,
but
leave
some
room
to
account
for
other
priorities.
One
priority,
but
not
a
requirement,
is
compactness.
C
We
thought
it
necessary
to
correct
some
of
the
egregious
shaped
districts
in
the
last
map
to
decrease
the
area
that
encompasses
districts
and
keep
socioeconomic
communities
of
interest
together.
For
example,
the
21st
district
bart
roland's
district
would
no
longer
extend
from
the
tennessee
line
to
the
greater
e-town.
The
e-town
area
in
greater
louisville
map
district
49
in
bullitt
county
will
no
longer
look
like
an
ink.
Splatter
district
8
will
no
longer
look
like
a
dragon
districts.
41
42
and
43
in
jefferson
county
will
no
longer
snake
across
jefferson
county.
C
Based
on
the
standard
measures
of
compactness
jefferson
county's
map,
for
example,
is
30
percent
more
compact
than
the
one
we
are
currently
operating
under.
We
have
preserved
the
integrity
of
the
counties
where
possible,
as
I
said,
and
we
do
not
split
a
single
precinct
in
our
plan.
Past
plans
submitted
by
the
house
have
divided
as
many
as
153
precincts.
C
In
terms
of
continuity,
another
consideration
was
preserving
the
continuity
of
representation
where
possible,
that
is,
allowing
voters
the
opportunity
to
continue
to
choose
their
elected
representatives
that
they
elected
drafting.
This
plan
was
very
difficult
for
us,
especially
in
the
far
east
and
far
west,
where
there's
been
a
lot
of
population
loss
as
well
as
parts
of
louisville.
C
A
D
D
C
A
C
Increased
we've
either
increased
or
saved
and
of
course
we
don't
draw
it
on
this
basis,
but
in
terms
of
black
voting
representation,
there
are
now
four
districts
in
jefferson
county
that
are
black
majority
in
terms
of
voting
age
population.
The
previous
map,
we
only
had
two,
so
we
have
four
black
majority
as
opposed
to
the
existing
map
of
two.
E
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
vote
no
on
this
map.
No
process
is
perfect.
Certainly
I
wish
the
house
had
taken
more
of
a
page
from
the
senate
map
in
this
regard,
with
more
input
from
the
minority
with
more
input
from
outside
groups.
You
look
at
this.
There
are
23
maps,
split
79
ways
on
this
map,
whereas
the
alternative
map
only
split
them
60
ways
there
are
51
single
county
districts.
F
You
know
in
in
the
alternative
map.
This
map
only
has
42
single
county,
so,
in
other
words,
there's
a
lot
of
partisan
drawing
of
these
lines,
it's
pitting
incumbents
against
each
other,
necessarily
which
I
think
we've
discussed
yesterday
on
the
senate
floor,
the
senate
president
said
that
was
one
of
the
marks
of
the
fairness
of
a
map,
and
I
think
this
map
falls
short
of
it.
This
deserves
more
time.
It
deserves
more
input.
I
vote
no.
D
Chairman
yeshime,
I
want
to
vote
no
on
this,
but
I
have
to
say
I
am
pleased
to
hear
your
presentation.
I
think
it
pretty
much
is
my
whole
speech
yesterday
on
senate
floor
about
senate
map,
and
so
I
think
those
considerations
beyond
just
threshold
minimum
are
super
important
and
I'm
looking
at
all
your
population
deviations
here
and,
of
course
in
the
house,
you
have
a
little
more
flexibility
with
more
cuts
than
we
have
in
the
senate.
But
overall
it's
not
a
bad
list.
There's
a
few.
I
would
do
differently.
D
D
B
G
You
know
I
am
the
senator
from
laurel,
and
I
greatly
appreciate
you
all
working
on
this
and
you
know
laurel
county
had
voiced
that
they
were
hopeful
to
get.
You
know,
five
representatives
perhaps
and
they're
six
and
I've
met
with
each
of
these
individuals.
I've
spoken
with
them
and
I
think
all
of
them
are
going
to
work
and
be
advocates
for
laurel
county
and
the
region,
and
so
I
greatly
appreciate
your
efforts
here
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
these
individuals.
Thank
you.
E
B
A
Okay
house
bill
two
passes.
Seven
to
two
and
same
should
pass
on
to
the
senate
floor
represent
miller.
Thank
you
so
much.
The
next
item
is
house
bill.
179
and
representative
nemes
jason
nemes
is
here
to
present
this
bill.
This
bill
deals
with
the
supreme
court
district's
redistricting
efforts,
representative
nemes,
the
foreign.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
section
1104
of
the
kentucky
constitution
gives
the
right
to
redistrict
the
appellate
court
maps
to
the
general
assembly.
Again,
it
must
be
clearly
stated
that
we're
talking
about
the
supreme
court
maps
in
the
court
of
appeals
maps
that
are
within
the
prerogative
of
the
legislature
alone,
we're
not
talking
in
this
bill
at
all
about
the
circuit
court,
family,
court
or
district
court
maps.
H
Those
are
in
bills
that
will
be
filed
later
this
year
be
addressed
later
this
year,
in
which
case
the
general
assembly
must
work
with
the
with
the
court
system
under
the
constitution,
to
rearrange
or
add
or
delete
judges.
We're
not
talking
about
trial
court
maps,
we're
talking
about
appellate
court
maps.
The
the
court
of
justice
was
founded
in
1976
in
kentucky,
we
totally
revamped
the
way
we
have
our
court
system
and
since
then
we
have
not
redistricted
the
appellate
courts.
H
So
you
can
see
you
can
imagine
what
kind
of
problems
that
would
cause,
and
so
why
are
we
here
today
we're
here
today,
because
the
kentucky
constitution
requires
us
to,
while
not
splitting
any
counties
try
to
get
as
close
to
the
population?
Equality
as
we
can
and
we're
not
there
because
of
you
know
not
addressing
this
issue
for
over
40
years,
for
example,
the
first
I'll
go
through
the
the
population
numbers
of
the
current
maps
and
you'll
see
the
need
it'll
be
evident,
the
need
or
the
reasons
why
we
need
to
do
this.
H
So
if
you
come
from
the
mountains
or
you
come
from
northern
kentucky
or
louisville
and
you're
a
judge,
you
don't
rule
on
a
case,
because
it's
better
for
the
people
in
the
mountains
or
the
better
for
the
people
of
louisville
you're
supposed
to
rule
on
the
case,
because
that's
the
law
that
either
the
constitution
demands
or
that's
the
result
of
the
constitution
demands
or
that
the
dually
enacted
statutes
from
the
general
assembly
demand.
That's
why
one
man,
one
vote
principles
don't
apply
as
tightly
for
them
as
they
do
for
us.
H
I
want
to
talk
just
quickly
about
county
splits.
The
constitution
in
both
the
legislature
and
the
supreme
court
or
appellate
court
maps
say
no
counties
can
be
split
and
because
again
one
man,
one
vote
principles
override
for
us.
We
have
to
split
counties
as
few
as
possible,
but
we're
not
allowed
to
in
the
appellate
court
maps.
H
Chief
justice
minton
testified
before
the
appropriation
revenue
committee
this
past
summer,
and
I
was
talking
about
the
maps
I
represent
oldham,
county
and
jefferson
county
and
soon
to
be
shelby
county,
all
three
counties,
unfairly
situated
in
the
appellate
court
maps-
and
I
said
I
don't
think
it's
fair-
that
we
can't
split
jefferson
county,
because
louisville
is
more
than
one-seventh
of
the
population.
We
should
split
jefferson
county,
so
jefferson
county
can
have
its
own
seat
and
then
also
have
a
role
in
other
seats
that
would
empower
the
people
of
jefferson,
county
and
chief
justice.
H
Smitten
said
you
may
not
split
counties,
so
he
reiterated
that
point
and
I
think
he's
probably
right
about
that
under
the
law.
Although
I
don't
I
don't
like
it,
it
doesn't
nerd
to
the
benefit
of
western
and
eastern
kentuckians,
though
so
we
don't
split
jefferson
county
and
we
have
the
remaining
six
districts
very
close
in
population.
H
I
wanted
to
mention
just
a
few
counties,
because
these
counties
are
extremely
important
and
then
and
then
address
very
quickly.
Eastern
kentucky
and
northern
kentucky,
which
are
experiencing
more
difference,
more
differences,
more
changes
than
others
in
this
map.
Davis
county
goes
from
the
second
to
the
first.
The
first
district
right
now
is
475
000
people,
so
davis
county
will
go
to
the
first,
bringing
them
up
to
622
000
with
some
other
changes,
and
so
that's
one
big
change,
because
a
big
county
is
going
to
the
west
going
to
the
first
district.
H
Also
madison
county
wanted
to
talk
about
madison,
county
and
context
of
eastern
kentucky.
Eastern
kentucky
is
picking
up
a
number
of
counties,
senator
wheeler
and
that's
unfortunate
because
it
you
know
population
is
what
it
is.
Initially
we
had
madison
county
in
the
in
the
seventh
district
and
the
thought
process
there
is
was
the
93
000
in
madison
county
people
in
madison
county
would
would
enable
us
not
to
have
to
put
more
counties
into
eastern
kentucky.
H
Then
I
talked
to
the
court
of
appeals,
judges
and
the
supreme
court
justice
and
a
number
of
legislators
from
eastern
kentucky,
and
it
was
really
important
to
them
that
we
maintain
the
culture
of
eastern
kentucky
on
the
supreme
court.
While
again
they
don't
represent
the
people
as
much
as
they
have
to
follow
the
law.
It's
important
to
have
those
types
of
views
bring
come
to
the
equation
and
if
you
have
madison
county
in
the
seventh,
the
thought
is
that
it
might
overwhelm
the
rest
of
the
the
the
population
there
and
and
change
the
culture.
H
So
that's
the
reason
the
madison
county
was
put
back
into
the
lexington
district
and
the
unfortunate
consequences.
The
seventh
has
to
pick
up
a
few
more
counties.
All
we
think
within
the
context
of
the
of
the
community
and
the
culture
of
our
of
our
eastern
kentucky
brethren.
Northern
kentucky
is
another
place
that
that
has
changes.
I
wanted
to
note,
because
there's
some
partisan
nonsense
going
around
about
these
maps
on
online,
that
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
party.
H
In
fact,
the
supreme
court
submitted
to
the
general
assembly
maps
in
2012
and
the
general
assembly
adopted
those
maps
straight
from
what
was
given
to
the
general
assembly
from
the
supreme
court
and
that
those
maps
were
were
thrown
out
as
unconstitutional
and
for
some
well.
There
was
a
supreme
court
map
legislate
and
the
legislative
map
was
together.
The
legislative
maps
were
thrown
out
as
unconstitutional,
and
so
the
supreme
court
maps
were
also
declared
null
and
void.
H
For
whatever
reason,
when
the
general
assembly
went
back
and
read
the
legislative
maps,
they
did
not
redo
the
the
appellate
court
maps.
So
why
am
I
bringing
that
up?
Because
the
northern
kentucky
district
is
losing
the
eastern
side
of
its
area?
Under
these
maps?
Harrison
county
robertson,
county
mason,
fleming
louis
bath
and
nicholas
that's
seven
in
the
2012
maps
that
the
supreme
court
submitted?
They
lost
five
of
those
seven
only.
Why
are
we
doing
seven
instead
of
just
five?
Well
because
more
population
changes?
H
So
anyone
who
says
this
is
an
attack
on
a
particular
justice
or
a
partisan,
you're
indicting,
the
supreme
court
from
2012
as
well,
because
they
submitted
effectively
these
maps,
so
they
have.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
a
particular
justice
or
a
a
party.
Anything
to
contrary
is
is
nonsense.
Anything
said
the
contrary
is
nonsense.
So,
mr
chairman,
in
a
nutshell,
those
are
the
maps.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
anybody
might
have.
A
I
You,
mr
chairman,
I
know
you've
been
working
hard
on
this
representative
nemes.
I
just
have
a
question
about
the
population
disparity
between
the
fifth
and
the
seventh
there's,
a
sixty
thousand
person
gap
between
how
many
people
are
in
the
fifth
and
the
seventh,
and
I'm
just
wondering
you
know
why
not
consider
counties
like
harrison
nicholas
bath,
montgomery
powell
estell,
which
have
been
part
of
the
6th
congressional
district
at
various
times.
I
H
So
I
think
later
the
way.
Well,
I
looked
at
it
and
the
way
that
senator
steivers
looked
at
it.
When
we
were
drawing
the
maps
was
we
didn't
look
at
it
from
top
to
bottom,
although
that
is
a
legitimate
way
to
look
at
it.
We
took
the
average,
which
is
what
we
do
for
the
senate
maps
and
the
house
maps,
and
we
look
at
it
from
the
average.
The
average
is
about
625
000..
So
when
you
do
that
the
numbers
aren't
aren't
as
out
of
whack,
as
as
you
would
suggest
so
I
would.
H
H
One
might
not
understand
this.
I
know
we
do
here
because
we've
recently
drawn
a
lot
of
maps.
One
has
domino
effects.
If
you
move
one
county
in
in
various
districts,
it's
not
just
the
two
that
you're
trading
from
so
I
mean
we
could
be
trading.
You
know
a
county
here
and
there
no
doubt
about
it.
There
are
other
ways
to
draw
this
map,
but
this
is
the
map
that
that
we
we
recently.
I
I'm
well
aware,
and
as
I
you
know,
hear
opponents
to
various
maps.
You
know
people
complaining
about
maps.
There
are
a
thousand
different
ways.
You
can
draw
maps
and
you
know
no
one's
ever
going
to
be
satisfied
with
it.
I
just
wish
you
would
have
included
a
couple
more
central
kentucky
counties,
because
now
you
make
it
very
unlikely
that
anybody
outside
of
lexington
can
never
be
elected
to
the
supreme
court
from
central
kentucky,
and
since
I
live
in
one
of
those
counties,
that's
a
big
county.
H
I
I
No,
that's
not
what
I
suggested.
What
I
suggested
was
adding
some
of
the
other
central
kentucky
counties
in
the
seventh
like
harrison
nicholas
bath,
montgomery
those
are
central,
kentucky
counties
and
they're
in
an
eastern
kentucky
appellate
and
supreme
court
district.
I
understand
I
just
I
need
to
be
on
the
record
on
on
behalf
of
being
swamped
by
fayette
county
for
those
of
us
who
live
in
central
kentucky,
which
we
don't
always
enjoy
by
the
way.
J
B
J
H
H
H
H
H
J
H
Okay,
I
need
I
need
to
make
a.
I
think.
I
know
the
answer.
The
reason
for
that.
So
in
the
house
maps
that
were
initially
put
together,
we
had
three
counties
that
were
different
than
the
ones
that
that
you
were
considering
on
this,
because
we
had
a
committee
substitute
for
it
was
a
floor.
Member
excuse
me,
okay,
so,
and
let
me
tell
you
the
reason
for
it
and
I'll
tell
you.
The
three
counties
that
are
that
are
involved.
Jeff
taylor
is
a
court
of
appeals.
H
Judge
he's
been
a
court
of
appeals,
judge
for
19
years,
very,
very
fine
judge
any
lawyer
who's
practiced,
morgan
mcgarvey
can
tell
you,
excuse
me,
senator
garvey
can
tell
you
any
anyone
who's
practiced
for
the
court
of
appeals.
Senator
wheeler
knows
that
jeff
taylor
is
a
very
smart
and
thorough
judge.
He
he
lives
in
ohio
county.
H
I
always
known
to
live
in
davis
county.
So
I
don't
know
how
recently
he's
moved,
but
he's
moved
to
ohio
county
and
we
couldn't
make
a
district
where
davis
would
stay
in
the
second,
but
once
we
learned
that
he
lived
in
ohio
county,
the
representative
from
ohio
county
came
to
me
two
mornings
ago
and
told
us
that
we
could
make
the
change
and
we
wanted
to
make
the
change
here's.
Why?
Because
it
didn't
mess
with
the
populations
much
and
he
was
the
only
judge
that
would
have
been
affected
in
this
way.
H
H
You
try
to
minimize
that
so
what
we
did
senator-
and
I
think
this
is
probably
the
reason
for
the
discrepancy
is
we
move
hancock,
county
and
ohio
county
back
into
the
second
hancock
county's
population
is
nine
thousand.
Ninety
five
ohio
county's
population
is
23
72
and
in
return
we
put
logan
county
from
the
second
to
the
first
and
that
population
is
27
432.
So
it's
not
person
for
person.
That's
probably
the
reason
for
the
distinction
understand.
J
B
J
J
I
apologize
no,
maybe
I
maybe
I
misheard.
Other
question
is
relating
to
let's
see
here
and
on
page
two
of
the
bill.
You
deal
with
the
filing
deadline
and
in
needing
to
push
that
back,
and
I
see
the
first
second
and
six
mentioned
and
representative.
You
would
remind
me,
I
know
they're
staggered,
but
I
don't
necessarily
remember
how
they're
staggered,
so
it
was
brought
to
my
attention
earlier
someone
had
mentioned.
They
thought
that
the
fourth
district
needed
to
be
included
in
that.
H
Yeah
we've
had
a
discussion
about
that.
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
included.
I
don't
think
it's
necessary
that
it's
included,
because
we
did
pass
the
bill
that
that
the
governor
signed
yesterday,
that
includes
everybody,
including
court
of
appeals
and
supreme
court
justices
also.
The
fourth
is
not
being
changed
as
the
others
are.
However,
if
the
senate
would
like
to
have
an
amendment
to
put
the
fourth
in
there
it,
I
don't
it's
a
belt
and
suspenders
approach,
I
don't
think
it's
necessary,
but
it
might
be
helpful.
J
A
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
representative
nemes.
I
know
you
really
have
made
a
a
great
effort
on
these
maps
to
try
to
make
them
as
as
fair
as
possible
and
is
representative
of
the
the
populations,
and
I
guess
what
you
might
call
the
the
cultural
diversity
of
the
region,
various
regions
of
kentucky.
I
do
think
it
is
very
important
that
we
have
you
know
a
court
that
understands
all
of
the
geographic
regions
and
cultures
of
kentucky
and-
and
I
think
that
you
have
a
attempt
to
preserve
this
in
this
map.
E
One
question
I
did
have,
I
think,
and
I've
had
some
prior
discussions
about
this
with
you
before
I've
seen
this
bill.
I
think
it
was
initially
proposed
that
the
justices
would
be
running
an
appellate
court
judges
in
in
the
old
districts
this
election,
and
then
these
would
not
take
effect
until
I
think
it
was
20
20.
E
F
J
E
H
So
let
me
let
me
say
quick.
It
also
deals
with
a
point
senator
schroeder
made
so
every
judge
in
the
court
of
ju
in
the
court
of
justice,
and
that
includes
seven
justices
and
14
court
of
appeals.
Judges
is
up
for
election
this
next
year,
except
for
three
justices.
That's
a
historical
anomaly,
because
our
high
court
used
to
just
be
four
judges.
How
unwise
was
that?
H
But
at
some
point
we
made
it
seven,
an
odd
number,
and
so
we
were
four
elected
at
the
same
time
and
then
one
in
24
1
and
26
1
and
28
and
4
again
and
30..
So
just
let
you
know
that
all
court
of
appeals
judges
are
elected
in
this
coming
year
and
then
again
in
2030,
it's
eight-year
term.
As
you
know,
nonpartisan
yeah,
okay,
so
I
thought
it
would
be
better
to
not
have
it
start
until
2024..
H
H
So
that's
the
reason
that
we
decided
to
do
it
was.
It
was
not
an
easy
decision
to
make.
I
don't
think
anybody
who
was
at
the
table
wanted
to
make
that
decision,
but
we
feel
like
we
have
to
in
a
similar
way.
A
lot
of
us
want
to
run
in
our
in
our
house,
districts
and
senate
districts.
I
love
my
house
district,
I'm
losing
douglas
hills,
for
example.
H
E
And
well,
I
do
understand
that
reasoning.
I
I
I
personally
agree
with
you
as
far
as
the
delay,
but
obviously
we
all
have
an
opinion,
and
I
guess
the
majority
of
folks
disagree
with
us
on
that.
But
you
know
I
do
appreciate
your
efforts.
I
know,
like
you
say,
said,
madison
county
was
originally
included
in
the
set
burn
amongst
members
of
the
mountain
bar
that
that
might
dilute
you
know
a
a
culture
that
we
that
I
think
is
a
very
important
influence
and
voice
on
the
supreme
court.
E
So
I
do
appreciate
that
you
took
that
into
account.
I
know
that
you
know,
but
you
know
in
taking
an
account.
It
also
makes
it
a
larger
district,
but
you
know,
as
you
stated,
these
are
difficult
decisions.
We've
got
to
come
to
a
place
that
it's
fair
and
constitutional,
and
I
just
want
to
state
that
I
personally
appreciate
your
efforts
to
bring
balance
to
our
elected
supreme
court
and
and
so
thank.
H
D
Thank
you
and
I
appreciate
some
of
the
comments
and
some
of
the
numbers
here
and,
as
I
was
looking
at
this
61
000
vote
disparity
between
five
and
seven.
I
was
thinking
some
of
the
same
things
on
which
counties
we
should
have
swapped
similar
in
a
one-two
fashion,
but
I
really
want
to
come
to
the
question
of
compactness
because,
as
I
read
the
constitution,
that's
actually
one,
if
not
the
primary
factor
that
we
need
to
focus
on.
I
haven't
heard
anything
about
that
now.
D
It's
like
10
000
or
something
so
I'm
I'm
trying
to
get
figured
out
how
many
different
versions
of
maps
did
you
go
through
before
we
kind
of
landed
on
this
one
in
and
how
did
this
one
get
to
be?
Maybe
your
favorite
or
that
came
forward
because
another
factor,
I'm
looking
at
the
mountain
caucus,
doesn't
have
harlan
bell
knox
laurel
whitley
I
mean
there's
a
number
of
appalachian
counties
that
could
have
been
included
and
you
know
this
balance
may
have
happened
differently.
I
don't
know
yeah.
H
H
If
you
change
one
map,
it
really
has
a
ripple
ripple
effect.
As
you
know,
I
think
you've
drawn
your
own
maps,
so
we
looked
at
a
bunch
of
them,
so
our
considerations
were:
let's
get
it
right
under
the
constitution.
First
and
foremost,
then
secondary
considerations
were
let's
keep
districts
as
they've
existed
historically
as
intact
as
possible,
not
not
perfect.
We
can't
do
that,
but
and
also
to
respect
the
regions
as
much
as
we
can.
H
We
don't
want
all
of
our
justices
to
come
from
louisville
and
the
in
lexington
the
bluegrass
as
much
as
I'm
from
louisville.
I
wouldn't
wouldn't
hurt
my
wouldn't
break
my
heart.
We
don't
want
that
and
our
our
founders
had
a
had
a
good
decision,
which
is
we
run
from
districts.
If
we
all
ran
statewide,
maybe
all
of
them
would
come
from
one
particular
area.
That's
not
good,
so
we
wanted
to
respect
the
the
spirit
of
the
decision
that
our
founders
made
when
they,
when
they
set
up
the
supreme
courts.
H
I
would
say,
with
respect
to
compactness,
put
this
map
up
against
any
other
map.
Put
it
up
against
the
map
that
currently
exists,
not
even
close
put
it
up
against
the
map.
The
supreme
court
submitted
in
2012,
put
up
against
our
congressional
map,
put
it
up
against
any
map,
and
this
map
sticks
out
as
something
that
we
can
be
very,
very
proud
of.
A
We
have
a
motion
second
hold
on
just
a
second.
We
are
going
to
stand
at
ease
just
a
second
here.
While
we
check
with
staff
to
address
senator
schroeder's
concern,
it
may
be
10
minutes
or
here's
10
minutes
or
so
before
we
get
to
it
so
stand
at
ease.
I
apologize
for
those
that
are
trying
to
get
out
get
out
here
and
get
back
home,
but
we
need
to
correct
this
and
make
this
right
so
stand
at
ease
for
a
few
minutes.