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E
A
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
committee,
good
to
be
here
this
morning,
senate
bill
2
is
our
senate
redistricting
maps,
and
I
have
a
few
comments.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
questions
on
it.
There
are
two
main
constitutional
provisions
that
guide
the
legislature
in
the
senate.
In
our
redistricting
maps,
section
33
of
the
kentucky
constitution
and
the
equal
protection
clause
of
the
14th
amendment
of
the
united
states.
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D
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D
The
census
data
has
shown
that
population
in
kentucky
is
4.5
million.
This
means
that
this
means
that
for
all
38
senate
districts
to
be
equal,
our
number
we
were
shooting
for
was
a
hundred
and
eighteen
thousand
five.
Seventy
four,
given
that
we
have
five
kentucky
counties
that
exceed
that
population
on
their
own
jefferson,
fayette,
kenton,
warren
and
boone.
It
is
not
mathematically
possible
to
craft
38,
equal
populated
districts,
while
honoring
the
kentucky
constitution's
requirement
that
we
do
not
split
counties.
D
So
we
were
required
to
split
jefferson,
fayette,
kenton,
warren
and
boone
as
you'll
see
on
the
maps
that
are
up
in
front
of
you.
The
kentucky
supreme
court
has
actually
given
guidance
on
how
we
meet
these
federal
requirements
of
one
person,
one
vote
and
how
they
can
be
satisfied.
While
satisfying
the
requirements
of
the
kentucky
constitution.
D
The
map
you
have
in
front
of
you
all
38
districts
fall
within
a
plus
or
minus
five
percent
deviation
of
the
ideal
population
of
a
hundred
and
eighteen
thousand
five.
Seventy
four,
only
splitting
the
five
counties
that
mathematically
require
us
to
do.
So
that's
the
technical
path
that
we've
taken
to
this
map.
D
We
have
spent
a
considerable
amount
of
effort,
members
and
staff
on
trying
to
work
on
these
maps.
It's
not
an
easy
thing,
there's
not
a
perfect
map,
but
we
we're
pretty
proud
of
the
map
that
we
have
there's
a
lot
of
other
things
that
we
like
about
the
map.
It
made
it
through
the
the
senate
with
only
four
dissenting
votes,
and
we
think
that's
pretty
amazing
when
you're
dealing
with
something
like
this.
So
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
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H
Understand,
thank
you.
Representative
wheatley
turn
my
mic
on
that's
right
across
the
bridge.
It
crosses
the
licking
river
if
I'm
not
badly
mistaken,
and
actually,
in
my
travels
up
there,
if
I'm,
I
can't
recall
the
exact
name.
They
actually
call
that
community
on
both
sides
of
the
bridge
by
a
similar
name.
H
A
couple
of
people
told
me
about
that
when
we
were
dealing
with
it
and
looking
at
it
that
there
is
and
one
of
the
rationales
you
do
for
redistricting
his
communities
of
interest,
and
so
that
was
part
of
the
issue.
There
was
communities
of
interest
and
those
precincts
on
the
west
side
of
the
bridge
as
it
relates
to
campbell
county.
It
had
a
link.
G
It
it
is
on,
I
think
it's
going
again,
and
that
is
exactly
what
I
want
to
ask
about
related
to
the
the
community
of
interest.
That
kind
of
represents
the
whole
24th
district,
which
is
a
very
rural
district.
It
includes
all
of
campbell
county,
two
other
counties,
pendleton
and
bracken.
I
believe
both
very
rural
counties
and
campbell
county
and
kenton
county
share
a
long
border
north-south
border,
and
there
are
many
precincts
that
could
have
been
drawn
into
the
24th
district.
G
So
that's
just
an
observation,
but
it
does
crack
into
the
core
of
covington,
as
does
the
house
map
and
it
cracks
into
where
people
of
color
are
87
percent
registered
democrats
in
one
of
the
precincts
and
my
friends
from
the
naacp
are
greatly
concerned
about
that.
I
just
want
to
finish
with
that.
Thank
you.
H
Under
the
I
think,
it's
the
1965
voting
rights
act.
You
have
to
have
to
be
in
violation
of
that.
You
have
to
have
an
area
that
could
be
a
district
to
itself,
and
I
look
at
representative
fisher
because
he's
litigated
this
on
a
few
times
and
fisher,
one
two,
three
four
and
I
think
we're
intricately
involved
in
jensen,
one
out
of
laurel
county,
if
I'm
not
badly
mistaken,
but
this
still
complies
with
the
65
voting
rights
act
because
you
can't
create
a
district
that
is
a
majority
minority
district,
as
we
did
with
senator
neal's
district.
H
So
the
link
and
commonality
is
there
because
communities
of
interest,
but
no
matter
what
you
did
with
those
two
counties.
You
could
not
do
it
within
those
without
going
outside
of
those
two
counties
into
a
rural
area,
because
it
goes
above
the
deviation
range,
which
is
in
violation
of
the
14th
amendment.
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I
H
H
F
Yes,
I
did
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
just
a
similar
questions
as
we're
dealing
with
areas
that
are
metro
and
urban,
suburban
areas
like
jefferson
and
fayette,
and
those
that
are
growing
while
other
places
are
losing
population.
I
just
want
to
make
note
of
warren
county
that
has
enough
population
to
have
its
own
senate
district,
but
is
cut
into
three
distinct
districts,
none
wholly
within
warren
county,
and
I
guess
your
same
argument
before
would
yeah.
A
E
H
Those
are
the
parameters
which
and
again
I'll
look
at
representative
fisher.
He
knows
this
probably
better
than
I
do.
The
kentucky
constitution
and
the
federal
constitution
are
truly
a
conflict
on
this
issue,
because
if
you
really
wanted
to
do
equal,
then
you
would
allow
for
splitting
of
counties,
but
in
all
the
federal
case
law
they
give
us
difference
to
split
as
few
of
counties
on
the
equal
representation
side.
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H
C
D
To
add
that
I
may
not
have
mentioned
this
in
my
presentation,
but
there
was
significant
input
on
jefferson
county
from
our
senate
members
and
from
the
minority
party
actually
had
several
of
them.
Thank
me
for
the
maps,
so
that
was
kind
of
what
I
was
alluding
to
in
my
presentation
that
we're
very
happy
where
we're
at
with
these
maps.
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I
A
F
G
F
D
C
D
D
F
Chairman,
I
am
voting
no
because
what
my
colleague
to
the
left
and
behind
me
shared
about
concerns
in
northern
kentucky,
go
beyond
the
1965
voting
rights
act.
His
concern
was
about
breaking
up
the
85
percent
voting
block
of
people
of
color,
and
so
I
respect
and
value
those
concerns
and
because
of
that,
I'm
voting
no
representative.
B
D
G
G
C
D
D
Kentucky's
congressional
district
map
have
been
similar.
Looking
since
1990,
you
can
remember
the
changes
back
then
this
district
proposes
proposed
incentive.
3
slightly
alters
the
current
map
to
help
account
for
the
population
loss
in
western
and
eastern
kentucky
and
the
population
growth
in
central
and
northern
kentucky,
unlike
our
senate
maps
in
redistricting
process
that
allows
for
a
plus
or
minus
five
percent
deviation.
D
F
F
I
am
concerned
that
from
fulton
to
franklin
we
are
all
in
one
district.
I
think
it's
going
to
open
us
up
to
a
little
ridicule
from
the
rest
of
the
world
in
this
oddly
shaped
first
district,
I'm
not
sure
if
the
folks
in
franklin
have
much
in
common
with
the
folks
in
fulton.
Maybe
they
do-
and
I
just
don't
see
that,
but
I
do
have
those
reservations
about
this
map.
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
why
we
needed
to
make
this.
H
H
H
That's
how
we
do
this
and
everybody
can
speculate
and
say
whatever
they
want
to.
But
this
is
something
after
back
and
forth,
because
some
of
those
counties
were
changed.
Some
were
different
split.
I
think
there
was
a
discussion
about
splitting
boyd
county.
Instead,
they
agreed
on
splitting
carter
county
anderson.
You
know
how
they
split
bath.
H
D
And
once
again,
the
population
shift
from
western
and
eastern
kentucky
to
central
I
mean,
I
think,
the
first
district
there
and
second
district
you
know
typifies
that.
I
mean
the
first
district
is
now
a
western
and
central
district,
and
I
think
congressman
comer
is
pretty
comfortable
with
it.
Second
district
is
more
western
kentucky.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
a
few
comments.
I
want
to
say
thanks,
first
of
all,
for
jefferson
county.
Obviously
this
is
not
in
my
party's
interest,
but
I
came
out
early.
That
said,
I
don't
think
it
would
be
wrong
to
crack
louisville
to
split
louisville
for
the
purpose
of
trying
to
pick
up
another
republican
seat.
There
were
good
government
organizations
throughout
the
country
that
think
you
should
minimize
the
difference
between
republicans
and
democrats
in
each
district
and
some
of
those
maps
had
jefferson
county
split
into
thirds.
E
Yes,
I
wonder,
mr
chairman,
I
don't
know
if
it's
possible
to
pull
up
the
current
maps
that
we
have
because
we've
these
maps
have
a
lot,
have
received
a
lot
of
criticism,
and
I
think
rightfully
so
with
respect
to
the
franklin
county
situation,
but
the
but
the
wendell
ford
spike
is
what
I'm
calling
it,
because
it
was
because
of
wendell
ford,
the
window
ford
spike.
That
comes
around
warren
county
and
goes
up
north.
It's
not
a
new
thing.
I
wish
we
had
fixed
it.
E
I
wish
we
didn't
do
this
and
president
stivers
I
wish
we
did.
They
did
the
congress.
Persons
did
what
you
and
I
did
when
we
drew
the
supreme
court
maps.
I
wish
we
did
that
we
didn't
do
that,
but
if
we
can
bring
up
the
current
maps,
the
first
district
looks
pretty
bad
and
the
second
district
looks
terrible.
A
E
H
A
H
E
There
it
is
there,
it
is,
you
see
the
actually,
that's,
not
the
map
that
was
passed.
That
was
the
map.
That's
introduced
it.
If
you
look
at
that
it,
it
goes
even
further.
You
see
the
you
see
the
wing
that
goes
to
spencer
county.
It
actually
picked
up
washington,
mercer,
boyle
and
garrett,
a
little
bit
of
jessamine,
which
is
the
current
match
that
we're
under
today,
and
so
that's
it.
The
point
is
these
maps
are
never
beautiful,
especially
with
the
geography
of
kentucky
I've
had
a
lot
of.
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D
E
B
I
I
I
do
want
to
tell
you
how
much
I
appreciate
you
all
maintaining
the
integrity
of
the
third
congressional
district,
but
in
order
to
maintain
some
consistency
with
some
of
my
objections
about
some
of
the
other
maps,
some
of
the
processes,
the
late
release
of
the
maps,
especially
given
the
weather
this
week,
and
how
much
time
the
public
has
had
to
consume
these
changes.
I'm
going
to
vote
now.
D
C
This
is
probably
the
most
exceptional
map
to
me
of
any
that
we
voted
on
and
you
know
I
think
we
can
all
we
all
hold
senator
ford
and
and
congressman
nature
in
high
regards,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
they
were
right
and
I
have
long
thought
for
the
last
30
years
that
davis
county
should
be
in
the
first
congressional
district,
and
when
I
look
at
this
map
I
can
see
a
jefferson
county
district.
Obviously
very
clearly
I
can
see
what
pretty
well
looks
like
a
northern
kentucky
map.
C
I
can
see
an
east
kentucky
map,
it's
very
large,
but
I
can
still
see
it
there
and
central
kentucky
and
maybe
a
northeast
kentucky
map.
But
what
I
do
not
see
with
this
map
is
a
west
kentucky.
District
and
west
kentucky
deserves
to
have
a
district
in
west
kentucky,
that's
voted
on
by
west
kentuckians,
or
they
have
someone
that
represent
them
more
than
likely
would
be
from
that
area,
and
we
do
not
have
that.
C
C
C
D
E
A
D
G
A
Yes-
and
you
know
I,
for
the
last
this
week-
I've
heard
the
word
as
things
are
being
rushed
and
it's
things
are
late.
I
mean
we
had
a
chance.
The
governor
had
a
chance
to
call
a
special
session.
I
remember
the
speaker
and
the
president
asked
for
that,
and
so
you
know
you
know
what
we're
up
against
with
these
deadlines.
A
You
know
we're
up
against.
We
got
an
election
on
the
third
tuesday
in
may,
and
we've
got
a
session
here,
a
budget
session.
So
I
don't.
I
don't.
I
think
everybody
has
an
opportunity
to
see
these
maps
and
make
an
appropriate
vote.
I
don't
think
this.
This
has
been
overly
rushed.
It
could
have
been
better
if
we
could
have
came
in
during
a
special
session
and
gave
the
public
a
lot
more
time
to
look
at
this.
I
vote
yes
and
I
believe
it
passed.
Mr
secretary
senate
bill
3
passes
with
favorable
expression.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee.
I
apologize
for
not
having
the
appropriate
decorum
and
recognizing
you
as
I
first
sat
down.
I
walked
in
in
the
middle
of
the
discussion,
but
I
always
appreciate
coming
before
your
committee
and
having
discussions
with
the
members
here
on
the
committee.
H
H
So
we
came
back
in
the
13th
session.
Did
not
redistrict
started.
The
14th
session
did
not
redistrict
when
we
left
we
were
sued
in
federal
court.
The
process
in
the
federal
court
is
that
the
chief
circuit,
or
the
chief
judge
of
the
sixth
circuit
court
of
appeals
appoints
a
three-judge
panel
to
review
an
election
or
not
election,
a
redistricting
challenge
to
me
that
seemed
to
be
a
pretty
fair
process.
H
H
So
that's
where
it
was,
but
the
process
seemed
to
be
extremely
fair
because
you
could
file
a
suit
and,
I'm
being
just
very
frank,
some
people
feel
that
the
franklin
county
circuit
is
not
the
best
place
for
some
of
our
party
to
file
a
suit
in.
But
some
people
of
the
minority
party
probably
think
that
filing
it
in
northern
kentucky
or
laurel
county
is
not
the
best
place
for
it
to
be
filed
in.
Let's
just
be
real.
H
H
H
So
with
that
the
importance
of
getting
this
done
and
the
weight
of
this
issue
for
equal
representation,
I'm
actually
repealing
a
bill
that
I
filed,
because
I
think
it's
more
important
to
get
it
established
than
to
litigate
over
process.
So
this
will
go
back
to
the
system
that
was
and
so
we'll
probably
or
could.
I
don't
think
so.
I
think
can't
speak
too
much
for
the
house
maps,
but
I
think
the
congressional
maps
and
the
senate
maps
meet
the
deviation
range
meet
the
minimalist
to
meet
the
minimum
counties
being
split
69
voting
rights
act.
I
May
I
explain
my
vote
please.
Yes,
thank
you.
I
came
into
this
meeting
prepared
to
vote
no
because
I'm
really
tired
of
people
wanting
to
change
the
statutes
on
a
whim
and
then,
finally,
realizing
that
it's
unconstitutional
and
coming
back
and
you
know
making
changes
and
fixing
it
when
I
think
there
probably
were
plenty
of
people
back.
You
know
before
who
sounded
the
alarm
the
potential
unconstitutionality
of
this.
I
However,
I
really
appreciate
president
stivers
coming
in
and
admitting
that
this
was
a
mistake,
that
this
is
a
legitimate
constitutional
concern,
that
this
was
his
bill,
that
he
made
a
mistake,
he's
willing
to
repeal
it
he's
sitting
here
before
us
admitting
this
now
and-
and
I
and
I
agree
fundamentally
with
the
changes.
So
I
am
going
to
vote
yes
and
appreciate
the
someone
you
know
the
maturity
of
that.
So
I
really
thank
you
all
for
doing
that.
B
D
D
E
My
vote,
please.
Yes,
sir.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
going
to
vote.
Yes,
I
think
this
is
a
good
bill.
I
don't
think
president
stivers
believes
it's
unconstitutional.
I
don't
think
he
said
that,
in
fact
I
know
he
didn't
say
that
what
he
said
was
we
know
the
other
side
is
going
to
file
a
lawsuit.
They
determined
that
before
they
before
they
saw
the
maps
and
rather
than
litigate
over
the
process,
which
would
be
another
way
to
delay.
Delayed
delay.
E
Delay,
which
is
the
tactic
of
the
people,
are
going
to
file
the
lawsuit
here,
we're
going
to
remove
the
process
delay
because
what
would
happen
is
they'd
file
the
lawsuit
then
they'd
challenge
the
appointment
of
the
three
judges.
So
then
we
wouldn't
even
get
to
the
substance
of
the
maps
for
months
and
months
and
months.
Therefore,
therefore,
allowing
the
people
who
are,
I
think,
just
trying
to
delay
when
only
on
process,
so
no
one's
saying
that
what
we
did
is
unconstitutional,
we're
saying
it's
removing
an
opportunity
for
mischief
and
potential
people.
E
People
who
we
know
are
going
to
file
maps
file
a
lawsuit
against
some
maps
who
said
they're
going
to
follow
lawsuits
through
the
maps
before
they
even
saw
the
map
so
be
clear.
This
is
removing
a
step.
It's
not
an
admission
that
was
unconstitutional.
It's
done
in
federal
law,
we're
doing
it
to
remove
the
opportunity
for
mischief.
I'm
a
yes!
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
D
G
Briefly,
explain:
yes,
I'm
going
to
vote
no
and
based
on,
and
you
have
to
be
quick
on
this
community.
Sometimes
I
was
going
to
ask
about
section
2
of
this
bill
which
says
that
there
is
a
constitutional
requirement
to
enact
redistricting
in
the
2022
section,
and
I
just
was
kind
of
going
to
ask
about
that.
I'm
not
familiar
with
that,
but
maybe
I
can
ask
that
on
the
floor,
reserving
my
right
to
vote.