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A
Good
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
senate
standing
committee
on
education.
This
is
our
first
meeting
for
the
2022
legislative
session,
so
I
do
call
this
meeting
to
order
mariah.
If
you
would
please
call
the
roll.
C
D
B
And
also
including
the
business
community,
business
partnerships
are
extremely
important
and,
as
senator
sheckle
pointed
out,
they
are
represented
when
they
elect
our
school
board,
member
or
the
authority.
Whatever
word,
you
want
to
use
with
councils
with
principals
with
superintendents
and
then
with
school
boards.
In
my
experience
with
working
again
with
low
performing
schools
when
it's
a
fight
between
who
is
responsible
for
what
school
board
as
their
goals,
so
that
disjointedness
is
one
of
the
things
that
I
have
encountered
over
that
number
of
years
serving.
F
F
The
other
thing
was
curriculum.
Shelby
county
is
really
a
mobile
county.
We've
got
a
lot
of
students
that
go
from
school
to
school
and
some
of
them
are
losing
ground
when
they
change
schools,
because
we
don't
have
consistency
in
that
curriculum
and
what
happens
some
of
the
students
and
I've
had
the
parents
complain
to
me
and
even
the
students
that
cove,
if
they
go
to
a
different
school
they're,
repeating
what
they've
already
learned,
or
else
they're
advanced
to
the
point
where
they've
lost
something
that
they
don't
know.
E
I'll,
just
briefly
serve
up
just
for
the
record
I'll,
introduce
myself,
I'm
eric
kennedy
with
the
kentucky
school
boards
association
I'll,
just
not
to
not
belabor
all
of
the
good
things
that
have
been
shared
so
far.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
hearing
this
bill
today.
Thank
you
for
making
this
priority.
I
believe
several
of
you
in
other
places
recently
have
said
that
every
every
topic
every
bill
sometimes
has
its
time.
It
has
its
day
that
comes.
E
We
have
talked
about
this
some
of
these
pieces
for
many
many
years
and
I
think
in
a
in
statute,
part
of
that
cara
law
from
1990
really
established
this
overall
statement
of
here's.
What
we
want
all
of
our
students
to
be
able
to
do
and
what
our
school
should
do
for
them,
and
in
order
to
make
that
happen,
everyone
involved
has
to
be
working
together
and
collaborating,
and
I
think
that's
exactly
true
now
and
that's
really
kind
of
at
the
heart
of
what
this
bill
is
trying
to
get
to.
E
So
we
just
appreciate
it
so
much
in
your
consideration.
A
Eric
thank
you
for
your
your
words
and
testimony
as
well
senator
schickel.
I
do
have
some
groups
and
individuals
who
have
signed
up
in
opposition
before
I
do
take
questions
from
committee
members
to
you.
I
would
like
to
allow
them
to
be
able
to
voice
now
my
committee,
in
terms
of
being
the
chairman.
What
I've
always
had
is
my
policies.
Those
that
have
signed
up
to
be
guests
are
allowed
to
testify
in
opposition,
and
so
I
have
liz
irwin
from
the
kentucky
association
of
school
councils.
A
G
There
is
no
data
that
supports
the
dismantling
of
sbdm
leadership,
as
as
senate
bill.
1
will
do.
Councils
are
perfect
examples
of
true
local
decision
making
in
a
place
where
it
is.
It
is
most
needed
in
our
schools
in
a
time
when
we
are
placing
a
high
value
on
local
decision
making
and
are
opposing
the
practice
of
mandates
being
pushed
on
us
from
above.
G
G
Regarding
the
changes
proposed
in
the
selection
of
curriculum,
it
would
have
really
hurt
my
school
if
the
power
to
choose
our
curriculum
was
given
solely
to
one
person
at
the
top
of
our
district
for
the
curriculum
to
be
implemented.
Well,
teachers
need
to
have
a
true
voice
in
deciding
it.
It
is
already
common
practice
for
schools
in
the
same
district
to
collaborate
and
adopt
the
same
curriculum
led
by
district
administrators
and
in
many
cases,
the
instructional
materials
as
well.
G
G
Instead
of
facilitating
this
process,
this
law
would
force
a
one-size-fits-all
approach
and
eliminate
the
teacher
voice
and
the
collaboration
if
our
new
math
curriculum
we
developed
together
in
my
district
this
year,
had
been
simply
chosen
for
the
teachers
without
their
direct
involvement
in
shaping
it.
The
initiatives
would
have
failed
also
for
successful
implementation
of
curriculum
teachers
need
to
be
involved
in
its
development.
G
G
D
H
Be
really
short
because
my
husband's
from
eastern
kentucky-
and
he
says,
if
I
don't
get
to
the
kroger-
really
quick
they're-
going
to
run
out
of
milk
and
bread,
so
I'm
going
to
be
real
quick.
But
thank
you
for
hearing
from
me.
I
think
it's
important,
I'm
a
government
teacher
so
being
able
to
have
a
voice,
has
been
great.
I've
been
here
before
that.
We've
we've
done
this
before,
and
I
will
tell
you
this.
H
All
of
you
can
point
to
a
teacher
who
has
made
a
change
in
in
your
life
in
some
way.
I
bet
and
all
of
you.
I
have
thanked
teachers
in
may
that
first
week
of
may
teach
your
appreciation
week
and
you
have
said
we
are
important.
We
do
the
most
important
job
we
teach
the
future
and
in
a
committee
where
lots
of
people
have
supported
bills
that
believe
in
individual
freedom
like
masking
and
vaccinations
and
where
you
carry
your
gun.
H
Shame
on
some
of
you
really,
the
irony
of
where
I
sit,
isn't
lost
on
this
government
teacher.
We
are
in
the
seat
of
the
capital
of
the
commonwealth.
This
is
where
representative
government
is
supposed
to
be
supported
and
there
should
be
more
seats
being
added
to
the
table,
and
I
feel
like
this
bill
takes
seats
away
collaboration
dr
suggs,
who
I
have
to
say
this
said
that
she
never
had
a
meeting
where
lots
of
parents
came.
H
She
obviously
never
tried
to
eliminate
a
band
program,
and
but
but
she
talked
about
this
idea
of
collaboration-
the
way
that
the
site-based
council
is
structured
now
guarantees
that
collaboration
senate
bill.
One
would
make
that
collaboration
at
the
whim
of
the
superintendent,
and
I
have
had
11
of
them,
and
some
of
them
have
been
awesome
and
we
didn't
need
to
have
a
site-based
council
rules
and
regulations,
but
some
of
them
they
they
were
protecting
the
the
local
schools
and
the
autonomy
of
those
schools
and
doing
what
was
best
for
those
individual
schools.
H
Every
school
is
different
and
there
has
to
be
collaboration,
but
senate
bill
one
doesn't
guarantee
it.
It
takes
it
away
this
decision.
This
decision
is
so
important,
and
it
also
shows
that
that
you
actually
believe
what
you
say
that
the
more
local
and
the
more
intentional
and
the
smaller
you
can
make
government
the
better
off.
We
are
okay
and
if
there's
a
superintendent
that
doesn't
think
they
have
authority
or
power
to
work
with
the
principal
that
they
didn't
choose,
come
find
a
teacher.
H
We
work
with
people
all
the
time
that
we
didn't
get
to
pick
and
we're
expected
to
help
them
and
make
them
better
and
improve
on
what
they're
doing
every
day.
I
would
be
happy
to
train
any
superintendent
that
needs
that
I'm
actually
certified
to
do
it,
and
that
is
all
I
have
to
say.
Thank
you
so
much
be
careful
driving.
A
I'm
going
to
allow
one
more
testimony.
This
is
the
last
one
because
this
person
did
contact
lrc
to
be
signed
up,
even
though
they
were
not
here
in
time
that
I
took
up
the
form
gay
edelman.
If
you
would
proceed,
we
do
have
to
still
take
questions
and
testimony
on
this
bill
and
vote,
we
should
have
another
bill.
That's
still
on
the
agenda
for
today.
A
I
Thank
you
and
I
do
appreciate
you
letting
me
speak
today.
Most
of
you
know
me,
my
name
is
gay
adelman
and
most
of
you
know
me
from
my
work
in
public
education
advocacy
with
save
our
schools
kentucky
and
dear
jcps,
but
you
may
not
know
I've
been
an
involved
and
engaged
parent
long
before
moving
to
kentucky
my
boys
are
now
24
and
26..
I've
been
a
booster
mom,
a
pta
president,
chairperson
of
councils
and
fundraising
committees,
and
a
district-wide
pta
officer
in
eight
different
school
districts
in
four
different
states.
I
I
also
taught
k-8
computer
classes
for
two
years
in
a
private
school
in
lilly
kentucky,
so
I've
seen
it
all
private
public
I've.
I've
also
been
made
aware
because
of
my
experiences,
that
kentucky
is
a
leader
and
we've
been
very
fortunate
to
have
been
a
leader
in
education,
reform
and
site-based
decision-making
councils
may
not
be
perfect,
but
please
don't
throw
our
babies
out
with
the
bathwater.
I
I
understand
that's
not
what
we're
here
to
talk
about
today,
but
this
bill
is
intended
to
weaken
site-based
decision-making
councils,
which
is
the
argument
that
many
of
the
those
who
are
in
favor
of
the
bill
to
ban
the
teaching
of
accurate
history
in
our
schools
needs
to
know
that
there's
a
process
that
they
can
participate
in
and
so
by
taking
away
weakening,
site-based
decision-making
councils.
You're,
strengthening
your
house
bill,
14
and
18,
and
this
truly
feels
like
a
ploy
to
undermine
our
efforts.
I
Last
time
you
heard
from
changes
to
site-based
decision-making
councils.
A
couple
of
years
ago,
we
had
a
sick
out
in
jefferson
county
and
thousands
of
us
descended
upon
this
capital
to
slow
the
the
movement
of
that
bill.
There
was
testimony
and
bipartisan
support
for
adding
a
parent
to
the
site,
based
decision
making
councils
as
a
solution
to
one
of
the
problems
that
we
faced
in
our
in
our
schools
and
in
our
districts.
I
So
I
ask
you,
I
implore
you
to
please
slow
this
bill
down
and
make
sure
that
you've
heard
from
both
sides
what
those
possible
challenges
to
this
bill
would
be
as
well
as
possible
solutions,
because
there
is
no
data
to
show
that
this
bill
is
the
solution
to
the
problems
that
we've
been
raising
for
over
a
decade
in
our
district
site-based
decision-making
councils
could
be
impacted
by
a
more
equitable
student
assignment
plan,
for
example.
I
sat
here
two
years
ago
and
showed
me.
A
I
That
day
and
showed
you
a
map
that
showed
you
that
our
student
assignment
plan
has
inequity
inequitably,
impacted
our
schools
in
our
west
part
of
our
community
and
if
taking
away
the
decision-making
power,
is
the
solution.
Why
hasn't
it
helped
our
west
louisville
schools
because
that's
been
done
for
over
a
decade?
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
J
Senator
shuckle
thanks
for
the
legislation.
You
know
I've
talked
about
this
multiple
times.
I
want
you
to
reiterate
for
the
committee
again.
The
concern
was
raised
a
few
moments
ago
that
this
is
too
soon
too
fast
and
moving
too
quickly.
How
many
years
have
you
been
pursuing
this
six
or
seven,
six
or
seven
years?
J
K
K
I
was
in
the
schools
a
lot
and
I
was
around
the
educational
in
our
schools,
and
so
I
was
listening
and
talking
and
the
idea
from
this
bill
came
from
teachers
and
parents,
because
I
couldn't
fathom
a
system
like
this,
where
the
person
who
is
ultimately
responsible
for
the
performance
didn't
have
the
tools
in
the
toolbox
to
change
it
when
a
school
is
not
performing.
Well,
we
don't
say:
well,
we
don't
run
the
average
citizen,
doesn't
go
to
the
site-based
council
and
know
about
the
site-based
council.
They
look
at
the
superintendent.
K
K
The
the
school
board
is
the
ultimate
local
control
elected
by
all
the
citizens
of
that
school
district,
and
so
that's
the
foundation
of
the
bill.
But
we've
made
changes.
We've
added
people
to
the
site
based
council,
we
subtract
the
people
of
state
based
council.
The
biggest
change
we've
made
is
we've
narrowed.
The
focus
we've
narrowed
the
focus
to
two
things.
K
K
They
they
actually
got
in
trouble
with
the
office
of
educational
accountability,
because
there
was
confusion
on
who
is
ultimately
responsible
for
the
decisions
being
made,
whether
it
was
just
because
citizens
would
go
to
the
school
board,
they'd
send
them
the
site-based
council.
Then
the
site-based
council
go
well,
oh
that
actually,
and
so
there
was
no
clear
accountability
and
in
any
organization
like
the
superintendent
from
shelby.
So
well
so
well,
I
think,
articulated
our
whole
panel
that
I
couldn't
have
done
it
any
better,
but
the
you're
not
going
to
be
around
in
today's
society.
K
Its
concept
is
pretty
simple
and,
as
you
you,
I've
talked
to
you
a
lot
about,
and
I
thank
you
for
all
your
help,
with
guidance,
mentoring,
our
senate
leadership,
because
at
times
over
those
six
seven
years
I
got
pretty
discouraged.
K
But
that's
kind
of
walking
you
from
day
one
up
to
the
present
day.
J
K
That
is
correct
and
it's
a
great
question
and
a
follow-up.
If
I
might
add
to
that,
I
think
because
I
think
it
it's
a
it's
down
the
weeds
of
lip,
but
I
think
it's
also
very
pertinent
that
a
person
can
be
on
the
site-based
council
and
not
even
live
in
that
school
district
and
not
even
live
in
that
state
and
we've
had
that
happen
in
our
in
our
school
district.
K
I
take
issue
with
the
fact
that
this
bill
eliminates,
or
I
think
it
makes
site-based
councils
the
important
tool
for
parents
and
teachers
that
needs
to
be
there
and
any
superintendent
that
our
principal
knows
we
or
the
state
senator
anything
the
days
of
doing
your
job
without
collaboration.
Those
are
over,
especially
in
a
position
like
that.
A
Thank
you
also.
Members
just
want
to
briefly
note
staff
alerted
me
in
your
folders.
We
also
have
senator
thomas
who's,
not
here,
provided
a
statement
on
behalf
of
the
student
voice
team
in
opposition
of
senate
bill.
1.
just
want
to
make
sure
in
your
folders.
You
are
noticed
of
that
central
west
question.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
I'll,
be
brief.
Talking
to
her
able-bodied
help
here
on
the
podium.
I
think
care
was
1990
when
it
first
came
out
32
years
ago.
That's
that's
a
long
time.
The
sbdms
were
part
of
that
you
know
care
process
change,
but
but
that
was
a
wholesale
change.
Those
were
wholesale
changes
in
1990
and
I
think
it's
safe
to
say
that
they
changed
the
trajectory
of
education
in
kentucky
for
the
better,
but
as
part
of
that
wholesale
change.
Some
of
those
changes
were
good.
L
Some
were
bad
some
in
between
and,
as
you
know,
you've
been
around
for
a
long
time.
You
know
the
one
constant
is
change
and
we
need
to
be
constantly
trying
to
improve
education,
constant
improvement,
so
we,
I
think,
those
who
have
spoken
against
it
this
bill,
you
everybody,
is
pushing
towards
the
same
goal.
We
want
education
on
the
upward
trajectory
in
kentucky
educational
standings,
50
states.
L
L
To
me,
when
you
talk
local
control,
that's
a
good
thing,
but
school
boards,
in
my
opinion,
are,
are
complete
local
control.
L
It's
one
thing
to
have
a
say,
but
it's
another
thing
to
be
able
to
vote
on
who's
on
the
school
board,
and
I
disagree
totally
that
parents
don't
have
a
say
parents
can
run
for
school
board.
Parents
can
vote
for
school
board
and
I
hope
that
all
school
boards
would
listen
to
parents,
whether
it's
curriculum.
What
principal
choosing
the
principal
choosing
the
staff.
L
L
You
know
the
bucks
the
buck
stops
here.
You
know
how
can
a
leader
of
a
school
district
be
held
accountable
when
they
have
no
control
over
little
to
no
control
over
who
who
is
in
the
chain
of
command
below
them
in
middle
management,
so
to
speak?
So
I
think
this
is
a
good
bill.
L
M
Thank
you,
mr
and
actually
I
have
a
question
for
mr
campbell.
If
he
could
return.
M
Appreciate
your
testimony
about
ka
kea's
position
on
this,
but
you
made
the
statement
that
kea
supports
direct
parent
involvement.
M
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
know
the
time
is
short,
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
be
as
brief
as
possible.
You
know
I've
been
I've
been
here
since
cure
was
initiated
and
I
have
always
been
ambivalent
about
the
way
this
thing
was
set
up
from
the
beginning.
N
At
the
same
time,
I've
been
challenged
because
I
could
see
situations
where
some
of
the
arguments
been
made
here
today
send
a
shickel
clearly,
in
certain
circumstances,
I
think
require
a
certain
type
of
accountability
and
a
certain
amount
of
of
coordination
sometimes
comes
from
one
person
having
a
responsibility
making
certain
things
happen,
so
that's
been
sort
of
the
ambivalence.
The
basis
of
the
ambivalence
I've
had
my
problem
and
understand.
This
is
not
new.
This
thing
has
been
raging
since
the
very
beginning.
This
is
not
a
new
question.
N
It's
not
a
new
issue
that
question
of
what's
the
correct
balance
in
this
piece
has
been
toyed
with,
has
been
worked
with
and
so
forth,
and
I'm
not
sure
we
found
the
right
balance
and
I
don't
think
there
is
any
perfection
in
whatever
system's
put
in
place,
but
I'm
not
sure
that-
and
this
is
with
all
due
respect
for
you,
you're
very
thoughtful-
and
I
know
you've
been
very
tenacious
about
this
and
it's
very
a
lot
of
substance
in
the
arguments
that
have
led
you
here
and
I
appreciate
and
respect
that,
but
I'm
not
sure
we
have
not
almost
ironically,
have
taken
away
the
parental
involvement
more
so
in
this
situation,
because
we
centralize
authority
without
exception
in
one
individual.
N
That
gives
me
some
concern
when
I
think
about
where
we
came
from.
So
here's
where
I
am
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
the
possibility
of
again
revisiting
this
with
all
the
individuals
that
have
the
arguments
and
see
if
we
can
come
to
a
solution
without
throwing
that
piece
out,
because
I
think
it's
a
valuable
thing
to
have
that
input.
You
know
on
that
level
and,
of
course
I
think
it's
a
valuable
thing,
particularly
it
gets
to
the
appointment
of
principles.
N
It
gets
into
an
issue
from
times
because
you
can't
get
political
on
some
of
these
councils.
They're
not
perfect,
but
some
of
them
do
very
well.
So
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
middle
ground
somewhere
if
you've
considered
that
middle
ground
and
whether
or
not
there's
still
an
opportunity
for
middle
ground.
K
Well,
I
always
enjoy
your
questions
and
the
I
was
just
thinking.
We
had
an
interim
hearing
and
a
session
hearing,
because
the
senate's
passed
this
legislation
numerous
times
so
we've
had
interim
here,
probably
eight
ten
times.
I
can't
think
of
an
issue
where
we've
had
more
hearings
and
more
discussion.
K
I
think
there's
some
honest
disagreement
and
I
respect
both
sides
and
I
agree
with
you.
There
probably
is
no
perfect
governance
model,
but
I
would
I
I
feel
confident
that
what
is
working,
I
think,
senator
west
said
it
best.
It's
you
something
as
critical
as
this.
You
can't
have
confusion
and
right
now
we
have
confusion,
and
you
know-
and
we
all
know
that
sometimes
people
purposely
create
confusion
and
that's
unfortunate,
but
that's
why?
So
often
you
have
to
have
a
a
clear
cut,
a
a
a
simple
process,
that's
for
threat.
K
So
so
I
I
just
think
we
have
some
honest
disagreement.
I
think
we've
come
to
a
pretty
good
bill.
We've
made
a
lot
of
compromise.
The
original
bill
didn't
have
had
a
lot
of
other
things
that
site-based
councils
do
such
as
facility
management,
which
they're
still
doing.
If
you,
I
was
amazed,
and
if
you
read
the
statute,
there's
lots
of
things.
Site-Based
councils
do
by
statute
that
they're
still
going
to
be
continue
on
doing
so.
So
to
me,
this
is
a
compromise.
N
K
Any
well
I
I
I
guess
I
would
answer
that.
No,
because
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
successful
schools
with
site-based
councils,
but
I
don't
think
the
reason
for
their
success
is
the
current
legal
makeup
of
the
state
based
council.
I
think
the
reason
for
their
success
is
what
the
superintendent
said
is
good
collaboration
between
the
superintendent,
which
this
bill
still
encourages
completely
and
real
doesn't
encourage
requires.
K
N
K
N
A
Thank
you
senator,
so
you
know
for
the
questions,
but
also
being
the
chairman.
I
will
hold
my
questions
and
comments
for
now,
and
this
may
be
directed
towards
miss
irwin
or
also
mr
kennedy,
but
over
the
last,
especially
two
years.
If
we
think
about
all
of
the
major
decisions
we've
had
to
make
surrounding
schools,
starting
stopping
masking
not
hold
back
over
all
the
things
that
we
have
passed
and
made
decisions
on,
have
those
decisions
been
made
locally
at
the
school
board
level
or
with
the
site
base
or
school-based
decision-making
level.
E
I
think,
generally,
most
of
the
topics
that
you
just
mentioned
kind
of
generally
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
have
been
decided
at
the
school
board
level.
I
think
in
most
cases
that
was
because
they
were
issues
that
involved
the
entire
school
district
and
not
just
any
one
school,
which
has
always
been
roughly,
where
the
split
of
the
lines
of
authority
have
been
that
things
that
were
still
school-specific
were
the
council
or
things
that
might
impact
the
entire
district
or
liability
at
the
district
level.
With
the
school
board.
A
G
In
my
experience
in
my
limited
you
know
district,
no,
it's
been
the
superintendent
and
the
su
and
it
you
know.
I've
heard
a
lot
about
collaboration
today
and
a
lot.
You
know.
Collaboration
is
very,
very
important,
but
if
it's
just
one
person
like
the
superintendent,
it
really
depends
on
that
person's
willingness
to
collaborate.
A
E
I
think
there's
been
a
historic
and
good
level,
but
a
historic,
high
level
of
constituent
engagement
and
collaboration
with
school
boards
over
all
of
these
things.
For
the
past
couple
of
years,
we've
seen
in
a
lot
of
meetings,
and
I
can
just
tell
you-
emails
and
texts
and
phone
calls
school
board
members
trying
to
shop
at
kroger
and
trying
to
go
to
church
or
hearing
all
about
it.
So
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
that.
Community-Wide
outreach
and
discussion
in
general.
A
C
A
C
For
me
to
be
successful,
I
have
to
have
input
from
all
different
levels
from
all
different
programs,
and
I
have
to
take
that
into
consideration
because
they
know
what's
going
on
at
the
level
that
actually
makes
the
difference
in
the
classroom.
So
I
think
any
superintendent
worth
or
salt
is
going
to
continue
the
collaboration.
C
However,
it
does
make
one
individual
ultimately
responsible,
and
I
think
that
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
entire
district.
When
that
happens,
and
I
think
any
superintendent
is
going
to
know
that
schools
within
their
district
are
different
and
you
make
adaptations
depending
on
the
population
that
you're
serving
in
that
district
and
what
the
struggles
are
within
that
school.
C
So
I
vote
for
eye
for
the
bill
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
welcome
change,
and
I
know
this
is
most
of
the
teachers
within
my
district
probably
oppose
this,
but
I
think
it's
what's
best
for
our
kids
and
for
us
to
get
to
that
next
level.
There
has
to
be
a
different
level
of
a
performance
and
a
different
level
of
accountability.
A
M
I'll
explain
my
vote.
Please
please
proceed.
I
vote
I,
and
for
a
lot
of
different
reasons,
but
one
of
the
driving
ones
today
is
the
testimony
of
miss
brenda
jackson
33
years
in
her
position,
and
you
are
an
epitome
of
public
service,
and
I
appreciate
you
being
here
and
the
commit
that
you
made
to
this.
You
know
you're
there
for
no
reason
other
than
you
want
to
see
the
betterment
for
education.
I
appreciate
your
testimony
today
and
thank
you
for
your
service.
Thank
you.
N
I'd
like
to
explain
my
no
vote,
please
proceed.
You
know,
I
don't
think,
there's
a
perfection
that
we
can
find
here.
I
don't
want
to,
and
I
don't
I
feel,
uncomfortable
with
the
edge
of
denigration
in
terms
of
comments
made.
I
think
everybody
in
the
system,
whether
they're
teachers,
whether
the
superintendents,
whether
the
custodians
are
well
intended.
I
take
that
as
a
given
that
they're
trying
to
do
things
for
the
welfare
of
our
children
and
I
think,
there's
no
panacea
and
I
think
there's
no
fixed
or
generalized
approach
to
it.
N
N
On
the
other
hand,
I
think
there
are
great
successes
that
are
demonstrated
by
the
current
applications
or
modifications
in
some
instances
of
site-based
councils
in
particular
districts,
and
I
don't
think
we
can
take
a
just
a
sweep
and
say
you
know,
that's
not
important.
It
is
important.
It's
important,
the
the
authority,
the
placement
of
authority,
the
decision
making,
and
it
varies
from
place
to
place
to
think
that
one
person
is
well
intended
to
get
it
done.
N
A
O
I
have
heard
a
lot
of
complaints
from
a
lot
of
my
districts
relating
to
this
issue
and,
as
was
already
mentioned,
I
want
to
reiterate
everything.
That's
already
been
said,
but
the
org
chart
of
an
organization
is
to
me
of
utmost
importance,
because
every
time
I've
ever
had
a
bad
experience,
it's
always
in
an
organization.
It's
always
a
function
of
chain
of
command
issues.
O
Nobody
knows
who's
responsible,
nobody
knows
who
they
can
go
to
and
they
have
an
issue
and
nobody
knows
how
to
solve
a
problem
and
therefore
problems
just
languish
and
never
get
solved,
and
I
see
that
our
education
system
is
replete
with
problems
that
everybody
wants
to
solve,
but
nobody
can
figure
out
how
to
do
that
now.
That
said,
I
don't
know
that
we're
getting
there
with
this
bill.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
things.
O
We
could
be
doing
certainly
they're
not
on
this
bill,
but
the
one
thing
that
I
find
interesting
is
that
we
have
these
boards
who
they're
volunteers,
they're,
they're
elected
officials.
They
come
in
once
a
month
policy
and
they
have
their
executive
director.
If
you
will
the
superintendent
who's
supposed
to
be
doing
all
of
the
day-to-day
stuff-
and
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
compelling
argument,
because
how
do
we
get
all
of
these
volunteer
boards?
I've
worked
in
volunteer
boards
long
enough
to
know
it's
hard
to
get
all
this
together.
O
So
I'm
going
to
vote
yesterday,
but
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
move
this
forward
just
enough
to
get
a
little
bit
more
discussion
and
bring
people
to
the
table
to
say:
we've
got
to
redo
this
site-based
council.
We
need
more
parents
on
this
council,
I'm
voting
for
that
easily
somebody
bring
that
bill,
I'm
voting
for
it
and
it
needs
to
be
in
this
bill
really.
So,
let's
get
that
moving
to
make
a
really
good
change.
That's
why
I'm
voting?
Yes!
Thank.
A
A
Vodae
by
a
margin
of
nine
to
one,
the
bill
does
proceed
and
it
does
pass
so
we'll
move
on
from
here.
I
want
to
thank
both
sides
today
for
their
testimony
on
education
bills.
I
always
appreciate
when
we
can
have
civil
conversations
and
bring
everyone
to
the
table.
So
thank
you
all
for
presenting
today
and
thank
you
for
your
testimony.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
today
is
senate
bill
25.
A
senate
bill.
25
is,
I
am
the
primary
sponsor
of
that.
I'm
just
going
to
stay
in
this
chair
to
present
the
bill
to
make
it
easier
to
give
in
our
time
frame
that
we're
under
senate
bill
25.
The
purpose
of
the
bill
is
to
prioritize
in-person
learning
by
extending
the
2021
special
session
to
the
senate
bill
1
components
that
have
expired
through
december
31st.
It
was
given
to
us
from
the
special
session
that
we
had
that
dealt
with
covid19.
A
I
do
have
a
committee
sub
that
is
on
the
bill
and
if
I
would,
I
would
like
a
motion
on
the
sub
motion
made
by
senator
west
there's
a
second
by
senator
meredith,
and
what
you
have
presented
in
front
of
you
is
the
committee
sub
and
basically
the
committee
sub
just
allows
the
provisions
within
the
bill
that
they
shall
be
retroactive
to
june
1st
of
2022,
since
we
were
already
past
that
date
and
school
year
started.
A
We
are
right
now
under
a
winter
situation,
but
we
also
have
kova
19
with
the
variant
that's
out
there
with
flu
we
have
a
whole
other
situations
that
are
evolving,
so
basically,
what
this
bill
does
there's
a
whole
lot
of
things
that
already
will
remain
into
effect
without
having
to
re-up
some
of
the
legislation
that
is
before
you.
A
But
the
main
provisions
in
this
is
for
covid
19
absences,
and
I
repeat
this
for
kova
19
absences
that
remote
instruction
may
be
temporarily
provided
to
a
particular
school
grade,
classroom
or
group
for
no
more
than
10
days
per
school.
Now
that
is
not
for
the
entire
district.
I
want
to
make
sure
everyone
is
aware
for
that.
This
is
more
of
a.
A
We
called
it
in
the
special
session,
a
surgical
strike,
and
that
is
the
same
type
of
wording
that
we're
using
today,
but
also
this
bill
will
allow
for
districts
to
hire
those
retirees
from
ktrs
for
either
part
or
full-time,
certified
or
classified
positions
and
who
have
completed
a
minimum
required
break
in
their
employment
of
only
one
month.
Now
there
is
actual
analysis
that
is
provided
for
here,
and
I
know
that
senator
higdon
is
always
one.
When
we
talk
about
pensions,
we
talk
about
retired
teachers.
There
is
no
impact
whatsoever
of
what
is
in
this
bill.
A
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that
bo
barnes
has
given
his
approval.
There's
a
letter
in
your
packet
there.
So
there's
no
impact
whatsoever
and
also
this
extends
the
hiring
threshold
from
one
percent
to
10
percent
of
staff.
I
know
that
has
also
been
of
a
major
concern
for
school
districts
and
superintendents
and
others,
and
I
see
the
head
shaking
in
the
audience
of
superintendent,
dr
suggs,
who
testified
earlier
that
this
would
help
then
establish
filling
staff
vacancies
that
may
be
needed
during
this
time
as
we're
evolving
with
kova
19
as
well.
A
A
N
N
A
You
and
I
can
have
that
discussion,
but
I
will
say
senator
neal
where
the
bill
stands
right
now
of
we.
We
need
to
move
quickly
in
terms
of
the
urgency
of
this,
so.
A
D
A
All
right
by
10-0,
vote
senate
bill
25
passes
and
moves
on.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
so
much
for
their
attendance
today
and
do
I
have
a
motion
for
adjournment
so
move.
Thank
you
all.