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A
C
D
A
President,
thank
you
all
so
much.
We
do
have
a
quorum,
so
we're
duly
constituted
to
do
business
today.
I
do
see
that
senator
neal
is
making
his
way
in
he'll
also
be
counted
present
in
roll
call
as
well.
We
do
have
some
introductions
I
would
like
to
make
before
we
get
started
this
morning
with
the
bills
that
are
on
the
agenda.
A
I
first
want
to
introduce
our
staff
that
will
be
with
us
for
the
education
committee
for
this
legislative
session
to
my
left,
mr
joshua
collins,
also
joe
carroll
ellis,
miss
lauren
bush,
miss
yvette
perry
and
also
to
my
right
mariah
allen,
and
then
I
also
would
like
to
recognize
our
intern
that
will
be
working
with
us.
This
legislative
session,
that's
miss
valerie
roberts,
valerie's,
a
junior
at
transylvania,
university,
she's
planning,
a
career
in
education,
majoring
in
political
science,
and
also
education
with
the
folks
on
middle
school,
math
and
history.
A
So
looking
forward
to
have
you
with
us,
but
also
looking
forward
to
your
future
pathway
ahead
in
the
education
fields,
thank
you
so
much
for
being
with
us.
I
do
ask
if
you
have
cell
phones
in
the
audience.
Please
mute
those
or
turn
those
to
silence
if
you
can
do
so
as
well
as
our
committee
members
for
today's
agenda,
any
members
wishing
to
make
any
introductions
this
morning
introduce
any
special
guests
that
we
have
seen.
None
will
proceed
directly
to
our
business
of
today.
A
E
E
E
E
E
Go
to
that
those
that
school
system,
the
parents
the
most
important.
Obviously,
but
it's
important
to
recognize
that
everyone
pays
for
schools,
grandparents,
brothers,
sisters,
people
without
children,
the
whole
community
pays
for
schools
and
it's
the
whole
community
which
the
school
board
represents.
E
F
Thank
you
for
having
us
and
on
behalf
of
the
kentucky
association
of
school
superintendents,
I'd
like
to
give
you
my
thoughts,
I'm
dr
sally
sugg,
I'm
the
superintendent
in
shelby,
county
public
schools
and
I
do
have
a
unique
perspective.
I've
been
working
in
education
for
over
40
years
and
during
that
time
I
have
served
as
a
high
school
teacher
middle
school
teacher.
F
I've
been
an
elementary
principal
I've,
been
a
high
school
principal
I've,
been
selected
by
three
different
councils
in
three
different
districts
and
also
I
served
in
a
brief
retirement
stint
for
four
years
as
an
elected
school
board
member.
I
also
served
under
dr
holliday
as
the
associate
commissioner
for
leadership
and
school
improvement,
and
during
that
time,
when
I
worked
for
kde,
my
main
job
was
to
work
with
lower
performing
schools
across
the
state
and
also
districts
and
to
help
them
get
to
where
they
needed
to
be
so.
F
We
worked
really
closely
with
the
kentucky
association
of
school
councils
with
ksba
and
various
groups
to
try
to
help
those
schools.
So
I've
seen
a
lot
of
effective
councils.
I've
seen
a
lot
of
ineffective
councils,
I've
seen
effective
districts
and
ineffective
districts,
and
one
thing
that
I
would
say
those
that
are
effective
have
in
common
is:
there
is
voice
and
collaboration
among
all
of
those
groups
and
also
including
the
business
community.
Business
partnerships
are
extremely
important
and,
as
senator
sheckle
pointed
out,
they
are
represented
when
they
elect
our
school
board.
Members.
F
F
So
what
I
feel
like,
and
what
I've
seen
work
very
well,
is,
at
the
district
level,
to
facilitate
conversations
with
councils,
facilitate
conversations
with
the
community
with
the
school
board,
and
that
could
still
really
be
achieved.
Well,
if
you
have
an
effective
process
in
place
of
collaboration,
but
once
again
led
from
the
district
level,
so
across
the
district,
all
of
our
students
have
an
equal
opportunity.
All
of
our
students,
especially
those
students
that
are
transient,
and
we
have
more
and
more
of
them.
F
The
other
thing
that
I'd
like
to
say
is
since
councils-
and
I
was
actually
a
teacher
prior
to
cara
and
was
in
a
district
that
was
one
of
the
first
districts
to
elect
councils
and
to
use
councils
in
after
1990
care
reform
act.
At
that
point,
I
believe
a
lot
of
community
members.
A
lot
of
parents
were
very
interested
in
running
for
councils
and
over
the
years,
my
over
the
course
of
my
12
years
as
a
principal
in
three
different
districts.
F
What
I
find
and
what
has
been
true
in
all
of
the
work
that
I've
done
in
kentucky
schools,
is
that
principals
are
usually
the
first
stop
the
teacher
and
the
principal
that's
where
the
parent
goes.
They
don't
come
to
the
council,
and
I
think
that
was
the
original
intent
great
intent
to
get
parents
involved,
but
I
think
parents
mostly
identify
with
that
principle
and
then
with
the
superintendent
and
then
with
the
school
board
and
all
of
our
school
boards
across
kentucky
hear
from
parents
on
a
very
regular
basis.
F
Superintendents
and
principals
entertain
parents
in
in
meetings
and
task
force
and
groups
all
of
the
time.
So
I
think
the
intent
of
getting
those
parents
involved
has
not
beared
fruit,
as
as
we
thought
it
would.
The
other
thing
that
superintendents
are
always
looking
at
is
continuous
improvement
and
in
our
accountability
system.
It
doesn't
matter
where
you
are.
The
point
is
growth
and
once
again
a
student
and
a
school
can't
grow
if
they
are
selecting
curricular
materials
every
other
year
that
are
in
conflict
with
one
another.
F
So
again,
that
cohesive
approach
is
really
important
in
our
district
and
in
many
districts.
That
alignment
is
from
preschool
all
the
way
through
the
college
years,
our
local
jctc
campus.
We
have
many
many
students
that
have
dual
credit
courses
and
so
we're
not
just
working
in
isolation
within
a
school
through
a
school
council,
we
are
working
from
preschool
through
the
advanced
level
courses
that
students
take
and
many
of
them
leave
with
an
associate's
degree
or
many
many
courses
that
count
toward
their
college
education.
F
It
was
actually,
I
believe,
the
model
of
what
principle
selection
should
look
like,
but
I
can
tell
you
if
the
superintendent
is
given
the
authority
to
select
the
principal,
I
probably
wouldn't
change
anything.
The
process
of
collaboration
is
the
key
and
that's
what
worked
we
did
surveys
to
find
out
what
kind
of
characteristics
parents
were
looking
for.
Teachers
were
looking
for
and
student
input
what
they
were
looking
for.
We
took
all
of
those
characteristics
and
as
a
council
together,
not
with
me
leading
but
as
a
part
of
that
council,
we
selected
interview
questions.
F
We
called
through
applications.
We
did
the
interviews
and
we
did
reach
consensus,
but
through
the
whole
process.
My
fear
was
what,
if
we
didn't
reach
consensus,
and
I
have
the
responsibility
for
taking
this
new
principle-
that
the
council
selects
and
making
them
into
a
great
leader
for
shelby
county
public
schools,
and
then
I'm
responsible
for
their
budget.
I'm
responsible
for
their
following
all
of
the
laws
and
regulations
and
policies
that
principals
and
school
leaders
need
to
be
aware
of.
F
I'm
also
then
responsible
for
that
leadership,
and
that
school
is
if
it's
improving
or
not
to
my
school
board.
That
actually
evaluates
me
so
that
principle
selection
process
worked
very
well,
but
I
can
tell
you
it
was
the
collaboration
that
was
key
and
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
take.
What
is
working
across
kentucky
and
codify
that
take.
What
all
of
the
high-performing
and
high-flying
districts
are
doing.
F
That
is
working
to
include
parents
to
include
students,
the
biggest
stakeholder
and
then
also
our
business
community,
and
take
that
collaboration
and
codify
that
through
some
types
of
processes
where
everybody
has
that
voice.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day
the
superintendent
needs
to
have
that
final
say
after
collaboration.
F
I
also
wanted
to
say
that
the
balance
between
the
power,
the
authority,
whatever
word
you-
want
to
use
with
councils
with
principals
with
superintendents
and
then
with
school
boards.
In
my
experience
with
working
again
with
low
performing
schools,
when
it's
a
fight
between
who
is
responsible
for
what
we
get
disjointed
and
ineffective
policies,
a
council
can
decide
what
their
goals
are
going
to
be
for
the
year.
They
can
decide
their
school
motto.
F
They
can
decide
everything
about
their
school,
even
if
that
is
in
direct
conflict
with
what
school
board
school
boards
have
set
as
their
goals.
So
that
disjointedness
is
one
of
the
things
that
I
have
encountered
over
that
number
of
years
serving
in
school
leadership
that
I
believe
we
can
work
together
through
collaboration
and
through
public
input
through
parent
input,
to
help
make
it
a
more
cohesive
system
where
we're
all
working
together,
a
principal,
gets
to
select
their
teachers
and
recommend
them
to
the
superintendent
for
final
hiring.
F
The
collaboration
that
I've
enjoyed
over
the
years
with
my
constituents
in
the
district,
my
teachers
in
the
buildings
for
where
I've
been
principal
and
those
that
I've
worked
with,
have
all
helped
me
to
make
the
best
decisions
for
students.
And
so
that's
what
I
would
like
to
leave
you
with
is
the
collaboration
and
the
input
is
the
key,
and
I
think,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
someone
has
to
have
that
final
say
through
collaboration
and
through
working
with
all
of
those
groups.
F
G
Okay,
I'm
brenda
jackson,
currently
a
school
board
member
shelby
county
public
schools.
This
is
starting
my
year,
33
I've
served
32
years
on
the
board.
I've
been
chair
several
times.
I've
been
on
the
ksba
board
of
directors.
I've
been
past,
president
of
the
kentucky
school
board
association
and
I've
gone
through
selection
with
other
board
members
of
several
superintendents
and
happy
to
say
that
we
have
an
excellent
superintendent
that
we've
chosen
this
time
I
don't
have
children
in
the
school
system.
G
G
They
told
me
that
the
decision
was
made
and
there
was
nothing
that
could
be
said
or
done,
and
I'm
thinking
that
parents
or
the
community
in
general
had
a
right
to
ask
a
question
to
appear
before
the
board
to
voice
their
opinion.
So
I
ran
I
lost
several
times,
but
I
ended
up
being
elected
to
the
school
board.
The
issues
that
we
have
today
and
a
concern
that
I
have
is
with
principal
selection
and
uniform
curriculum,
because
I
found
over
the
years
being
on
the
board.
G
The
other
thing
was
curriculum.
Shelby
county
is
really
a
mobile
county.
We've
got
a
lot
of
students
that
go
from
school
to
school
and
some
of
them
are
losing
ground
when
they
change
schools,
because
we
don't
have
consistency
in
that
curriculum
and
what
happens
some
of
the
students
and
I've
had
the
parents
complain
to
me
and
even
the
students
that
they're
cov
if
they
go
to
a
different
school
they're,
repeating
what
they've
already
learned,
or
else
they're
advanced
to
the
point
where
they've
lost
something
that
they
don't
know.
H
I'll,
just
briefly
serve
up
just
for
the
record
I'll,
introduce
myself,
I'm
eric
kennedy
with
the
kentucky
school
boards
association
I'll,
just
not
to
not
belabor
all
of
the
good
things
that
have
been
shared
so
far.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
hearing
this
bill
today.
Thank
you
for
making
this
priority.
I
believe
several
of
you
in
other
places
recently
have
said
that
every
every
topic
every
bill
sometimes
has
its
time.
It
has
its
day
that
comes.
H
We
have
talked
about
this
some
of
these
pieces
for
many
many
years
and
I
think
in
a
in
statute,
part
of
that
cara
law
from
1990
really
established
this
overall
statement
of
here's.
What
we
want
all
of
our
students
to
be
able
to
do
and
what
our
school
should
do
for
them,
and
in
order
to
make
that
happen,
everyone
involved
has
to
be
working
together
and
collaborating,
and
I
think
that's
exactly
true
now
and
that's
really
kind
of
at
the
heart
of
what
this
bill
is
trying
to
get
to.
A
Eric
thank
you
for
your
your
words
and
testimony
as
well
senator
schickel.
I
do
have
some
groups
and
individuals
who
have
signed
up
in
opposition
before
I
do
take
questions
from
committee
members
to
you.
I
would
like
to
allow
them
to
be
able
to
voice
now
my
committee,
in
terms
of
being
the
chairman.
What
I've
always
had
is
my
policy
of
those
that
have
signed
up
to
be
guest
are
allowed
to
testify
in
opposition,
and
so
I
have
liz
irwin
from
the
kentucky
association
of
school
counsels.
A
A
I
There
is
no
data
that
supports
the
dismantling
of
sbdm
leadership,
as
as
senate
bill.
1
will
do.
Councils
are
perfect
examples
of
true
local
decision
making
in
a
place
where
it
is.
It
is
most
needed
in
our
schools
in
a
time
when
we
are
placing
a
high
value
on
local
decision
decision-making
and
are
opposing
the
practice
of
mandates
being
pushed
on
us
from
above.
I
Regarding
the
changes
proposed
in
the
selection
of
curriculum,
it
would
have
really
hurt
my
school
if
the
power
to
choose
our
curriculum
was
given
solely
to
one
person
at
the
top
of
our
district
for
the
curriculum
to
be
implemented.
Well,
teachers
need
to
have
a
true
voice
in
deciding
it.
It
is
already
common
practice
for
schools
in
the
same
district
to
collaborate
and
adopt
the
same
curriculum
led
by
district
administrators
and
in
many
cases,
the
instructional
materials
as
well.
These
processes
are
outlined
in
a
council's
policies.
I
Instead
of
facilitating
this
process,
this
law
would
force
a
one-size-fits-all
approach
and
eliminate
the
teacher
voice
and
the
collaboration
if
our
new
math
curriculum
we
developed
together
in
my
district
this
year,
had
been
simply
chosen
for
the
teachers
without
their
direct
involvement
in
shaping
it.
The
initiatives
would
have
failed
also
for
successful
implementation
of
curriculum
teachers
need
to
be
involved
in
its
development.
I
I
I
D
I'm
here
today
to
speak
in
opposition
of
senate
bill
1.
kea
strongly
strongly
supports
meaningful
direct
parent
and
teacher
involvement
in
the
important
leadership
decisions
that
are
made
in
our
public
schools
senate
bill
1
would
hinder
that
involvement,
and
I
encourage
you
to
vote
no
on
this
bill
today.
I
have
with
me
miss
jody.
D
I
had
hoped
to
also
have
with
me
miss
leanne
lewis,
an
english
teacher,
english
and
language
arts
teacher
from
simon
kenton
high
school
in
independence
kentucky,
but
because
of
the
sub
shortage
she
was
unable
to
attend
in
person
today
and
since
we
didn't
have
a
virtual
option
for
testimony,
she
wrote
a
statement
and
we
have
provided
it
to
all
the
members
of
the
committee.
So
you
should
have
that
since
the
general
assembly
passed
the
kentucky
education
reform
act
in
1990,
sbdm
councils
have
been
an
essential
driver
in
student
success,
opportunity
and
growth.
D
That
group
is
made
up
of
parents
who
are
elected
by
their
peers
teachers
who
are
elected
by
their
colleagues
and
principals,
who
are
currently
selected
by
both
the
council
and
the
superintendent
together,
because
council
membership
is
compro,
comprised
the
representatives
of
the
education
community
in
the
buildings
and
parents
who
have
at
least
one
child
receiving
instruction
in
that
building
and
the
principal
who
is
the
instructional
leader
in
that
school.
School-Based
counsels
are
uniquely
qualified
to
understand
the
school
population,
the
school
culture,
the
school
needs
and
the
issues
that
the
students
of
the
schools
face.
D
D
D
The
provisions
of
sb1
do
not
move
kentucky
public
schools
forward.
Instead,
the
bill
limits,
constituent
voice
clouds,
transparency
and
throws
a
veil
of
secrecy
over
the
important
leadership
decisions
and
concentrates
all
that
power
in
the
superintendent
kea
strongly
and
encourages
each
of
the
members
of
this
distinguished
committee
to
vote
no
on
this
bill.
I
would
like
to
now
turn
it
over
to
ms
cabell
for
a
few
comments.
I'm.
J
Gonna
be
really
short
because
my
husband's
from
eastern
kentucky-
and
he
says,
if
I
don't
get
to
the
kroger-
really
quick,
they're
gonna-
run
out
of
milk
and
bread,
so
I'm
gonna
be
real
quick.
But
thank
you
for
hearing
from
me.
I
think
it's
important,
I'm
a
government
teacher
so
being
able
to
have
a
voice,
has
been
great.
I've
been
here
before
that.
We've
we've
done
this
before,
and
I
will
tell
you
this.
J
Every
school
is
its
own
community
and
I
think
that
that
is
what
cara
was
trying
to
do
and
that
nobody
is
more
invested
intentionally
invested
in
a
school
being
successful
than
the
students
and
the
teachers
and
the
parents
who
work
and
go
to
school
there.
All
of
you
can
point
to
a
teacher
who
has
made
a
change
in
in
your
life
in
some
way.
I
bet
and
all
of
you
I
have
thanked
teachers
in
may
that
first
week
of
may
teach
your
appreciation
week
and
you
have
said
we
are
important.
J
We
do
the
most
important
job
we
teach
the
future
and
in
a
committee
where
lots
of
people
have
supported
bills
that
believe
in
individual
freedom
like
masking
and
vaccinations
and
where
you
carry
your
gun.
The
fact
that
you
don't
trust
teachers
and
parents
to
pick
their
principles
in
consultation
with
the
superintendent
is
a
little
bit
offensive.
J
Shame
on
some
of
you
really,
the
irony
of
where
I
sit,
isn't
lost
on
this
government
teacher.
We
are
in
the
seat
of
the
capital
of
the
commonwealth.
This
is
where
representative
government
is
supposed
to
be
supported
and
there
should
be
more
seats
being
added
to
the
table,
and
I
feel
like
this
bill
takes
seats
away
collaboration
dr
suggs,
who
I
have
to
say
this
said
that
she
never
had
a
meeting
where
lots
of
parents
came.
J
Every
school
is
different
and
there
has
to
be
collaboration,
but
senate
bill
one
doesn't
guarantee
it.
It
takes
it
away
this
decision.
This
decision
is
so
important,
and
it
also
shows
that
that
you
actually
believe
what
you
say
that
the
more
local
and
the
more
intentional
and
the
smaller
you
can
make
government
the
better
off.
We
are
okay
and
if
there's
a
superintendent
that
doesn't
think
they
have
authority
or
power
to
work
with
the
principal
that
they
didn't
choose,
come
find
a
teacher.
J
We
work
with
people
all
the
time
that
we
didn't
get
to
pick
and
we're
expected
to
help
them
and
make
them
better
and
improve
on
what
they're
doing
every
day.
I
would
be
happy
to
train
any
superintendent
that
needs
that
I'm
actually
certified
to
do
it,
and
that
is
all
I
have
to
say.
Thank
you
so
much
be
careful
driving.
A
I'm
going
to
allow
one
more
testimony.
This
is
the
last
one
because
this
person
did
contact
lrc
to
be
signed
up,
even
though
they
were
not
here
in
time
that
I
took
up
the
form
gay
edelman.
If
you
would
proceed,
we
do
have
to
still
take
questions
and
testimony
on
this
bill
and
vote,
we
should
have
another
bill.
That's
still
on
the
agenda
for
today.
A
K
You
and
I
do
appreciate
you
letting
me
speak
today.
Most
of
you
know
me,
my
name
is
gay
adelman
and
most
of
you
know
me
from
my
work
in
public
education
advocacy
with
save
our
schools
kentucky
and
deer
jcps,
but
you
may
not
know
I've
been
an
involved
and
engaged
parent
long
before
moving
to
kentucky
my
boys
are
now
24
and
26.
I've
been
a
booster
mom,
a
pta
president,
chairperson
of
councils
and
fundraising
committees,
and
a
district-wide
pta
officer
in
eight
different
school
districts
in
four
different
states.
K
I
also
taught
k-8
computer
classes
for
two
years
in
a
private
school
in
lilly
kentucky,
so
I've
seen
it
all
private
public
I've.
I've
also
been
made
aware
because
of
my
experiences,
that
kentucky
is
a
leader
and
we've
been
very
fortunate
to
have
been
a
leader
in
education,
reform
and
site-based
decision-making
councils
may
not
be
perfect,
but
please
don't
throw
our
babies
out
with
the
bathwater.
K
K
Last
time
you
heard
from
changes
to
site-based
decision-making
councils.
A
couple
years
ago
we
had
a
sick
out
in
jefferson
county
and
thousands
of
us
descended
upon
this
capital
to
slow
the
the
movement
of
that
bill.
There
was
testimony
and
bipartisan
support
for
adding
a
parent
to
the
site-based
decision-making
councils
as
a
solution
to
one
of
the
problems
that
we
faced
in
our
in
our
schools
and
in
our
districts.
K
So
I
ask
you,
I
implore
you
to
please
slow
this
bill
down
and
make
sure
that
you've
heard
from
both
sides
what
those
possible
challenges
to
this
bill
would
be
as
well
as
possible
solutions,
because
there
is
no
data
to
show
that
this
bill
is
the
solution
to
the
problems
that
we've
been
raising
for
over
a
decade
in
our
district
site-based
decision-making
councils
could
be
impacted
by
a
more
equitable
student
assignment
plan,
for
example.
I
sat
here
two
years
ago
and
showed
me.
A
K
That
day
and
showed
you
a
map
that
showed
you
that
our
student
assignment
plan
has
inequity
inequitably,
impacted
our
schools
in
our
west
part
of
our
community
and
if
taking
away
the
decision-making
power,
is
the
solution.
Why
hasn't
it
helped
our
west
louisville
schools
because
that's
been
done
for
over
a
decade?
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
L
Senator
shuckle
thanks
for
the
legislation.
You
know
I've
talked
about
this
multiple
times.
I
want
you
to
reiterate
for
the
committee
again,
the
the
concern
was
raised
a
few
moments
ago
that
this
is
too
soon
too
fast
and
moving
too
quickly.
How
many
years
have
you
been
pursuing
this
six
or
seven,
six
or
seven
years
diversions?
Have
they
changed
substantially
over
the
six
or
seven
years,
not
substantially?
E
I
was
in
the
schools
a
lot
and
I
was
around
the
educational
in
our
schools,
and
so
I
was
listening
and
talking
and
the
idea
from
this
bill
came
from
teachers
and
parents,
because
I
couldn't
fathom
a
system
like
this,
where
the
person
who
is
ultimately
responsible
for
the
performance
didn't
have
the
tools
in
the
toolbox
to
change
it
when
a
school
is
not
performing.
Well,
we
don't
say:
well,
we
don't
run
the
average
citizen,
doesn't
go
to
the
site-based
council
and
know
about
the
site-based
council.
They
look
at
the
superintendent.
E
The
the
school
board
is
the
ultimate
local
control
elected
by
all
the
citizens
of
that
school
district,
and
so
that's
the
foundation
of
the
bill.
But
we've
made
changes.
We've
added
people
to
the
site
based
council,
we
subtract
the
people
of
state
based
council.
The
biggest
change
we
made
is
we've
narrowed.
The
focus
we've
narrowed
the
focus
to
two
things.
E
They
they
actually
got
in
trouble
with
the
office
of
educational
accountability,
because
there
was
confusion
on
who
is
ultimately
responsible
for
the
decisions
being
made,
whether
it
was
just
because
citizens
would
go
to
the
school
board,
they'd
send
them
the
site-based
council,
then
the
site-based
council
go
well
that
actually,
and
so
there
was
no
clear
accountability
and
in
any
organization
like
the
superintendent
from
shelby.
So
well
so
well,
I
think,
articulated
our
whole
panel
that
I
couldn't
have
done
it
any
better,
but
the
you're
not
going
to
be
around
in
today's
society.
L
E
That
is
correct
and
it's
a
great
question
and
a
follow-up.
If
I
might
add
to
that,
I
think
because
I
think
it
it's
it's
down
the
weeds
of
lip,
but
I
think
it's
also
very
pertinent
that
a
person
can
be
on
the
site-based
council
and
not
even
live
in
that
school
district
and
not
even
live
in
that
state
and
we've
had
that
happen
in
our
in
our
school
district.
E
I
take
issue
with
the
fact
that
this
bill
eliminates,
or
I
think
it
makes
site-based
councils
the
important
tool
for
parents
and
teachers
that
needs
to
be
there
and
any
superintendent
that
or
principal
knows
we
or
the
state
senator
anything
the
days
of
doing
your
job
without
collaboration.
Those
are
over,
especially
in
a
position
like
that.
A
Thank
you
also.
Members
just
want
to
briefly
note
staff
alerted
me
in
your
folders.
We
also
have
senator
thomas
who's,
not
here,
provided
a
statement
on
behalf
of
the
student
voice
team
in
opposition
of
senate
bill.
1.
just
want
to
make
sure
in
your
folders.
You
are
noticed
of
that
central
west
question.
L
L
The
sbdms
were
part
of
that
you
know
care
process
change,
but
but
that
was
a
wholesale
change.
Those
were
wholesale
changes
in
1990
and
I
think
it's
safe
to
say
that
they
changed
the
trajectory
of
education
in
kentucky
for
the
better,
but
as
part
of
that
wholesale
change.
Some
of
those
changes
were
good.
Some
were
bad
some
in
between
and,
as
you
know,
you've
been
around
for
a
long
time.
L
You
know
the
one
constant
is
change
and
we
need
to
be
constantly
trying
to
improve
education,
constant
improvement,
so
we,
I
think,
those
who
have
spoken
against
it
this
bill,
you
everybody,
is
pushing
towards
the
same
goal.
We
want
education
on
the
upward
trajectory
in
kentucky
educational
standings,
50
states.
L
L
L
It's
one
thing
to
have
a
say,
but
it's
another
thing
to
be
able
to
vote
on
who's
on
the
school
board,
and
I
disagree
totally
that
parents
don't
have
a
say.
Parents
can
run
for
school
board.
Parents
can
vote
for
school
board
and
I
hope
that
all
school
boards
would
listen
to
parents,
whether
it's
curriculum.
What
principal
choosing
the
principal
choosing
the
staff.
L
L
L
M
N
N
At
the
same
time,
I've
been
challenged,
because
I
could
see
situations
where
some
of
the
arguments
been
made
here
today
send
a
shickel
clearly,
in
certain
circumstances,
I
think
require
a
certain
type
of
accountability
and
a
certain
amount
of
of
coordination
sometimes
comes
from
one
person
having
a
responsibility
making
certain
things
happen,
so
that's
been
sort
of
the
ambivalence.
The
basis
of
the
ambivalence
I've
had
my
problem
and
understand.
This
is
not
new.
This
thing
has
been
raging
since
the
very
beginning.
This
is
not
a
new
question.
N
That
gives
me
some
concern
when
I
think
about
where
we
came
from.
So
here's
where
I
am
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
the
possibility
of
again
revisiting
this
with
all
the
individuals
that
have
the
arguments
and
see
if
we
can
come
to
a
solution
without
throwing
that
piece
out,
because
I
think
it's
a
valuable
thing
to
have
that
input.
You
know
on
that
level
and,
of
course
I
think
it's
a
valuable
thing
particularly
gets
to
the
appointment
of
principles.
N
E
Well,
I
always
enjoy
your
questions
and
the
I
was
just
thinking.
We
had
an
interim
hearing
and
a
session
hearing,
because
the
senate's
passed
this
legislation
numerous
times
so
we've
had
interim
here,
probably
eight
ten
times.
I
can't
think
of
an
issue
where
we've
had
more
hearings
and
more
discussion.
I
think
there's
some
honest
disagreement
and
I
respect
both
sides
and
I
agree
with
you.
There
probably
is
no
perfect
governance
model,
but
I
would
I
I
feel
confident
that
what
is
working,
I
think,
senator
west
said
it
best.
E
It's
you
something
as
critical
as
this.
You
can't
have
confusion
and
right
now
we
have
confusion,
and
you
know-
and
we
all
know
that
sometimes
people
purposely
create
confusion
and
that's
unfortunate,
but
that's
why?
So
often
you
have
to
have
a
clear
cut,
a
a
simple
process.
That's
forthright!
So
so
I
I
just
think
we
have
some
honest
disagreement.
I
think
we've
come
to
a
pretty
good
bill.
We've
made
a
lot
of
compromise.
The
original
bill
didn't
have
had
a
lot
of
other
things
that
site-based
councils
do
such
as
facility
management,
which
they're
still
doing.
E
N
E
E
Make-Up
of
the
state-based
council.
I
think
the
reason
for
their
success
is
what
the
superintendent
said
is
good
collaboration
between
the
superintendent,
which
this
bill
still
encourages
completely
and
real
doesn't
encourage
requires.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day,
just
like
you
said
or
or
maybe
with
someone
else,
someone
has
to
make
a
decision.
N
O
N
A
Thank
you
senator,
so
you
know
for
the
questions,
but
also
being
the
chairman.
I
will
hold
my
questions
and
comments
for
now,
and
this
may
be
directed
towards
ms
irwin
or
also
mr
kennedy,
but
over
the
last,
especially
two
years.
If
we
think
about
all
of
the
major
decisions
we've
had
to
make
surrounding
schools,
starting
stopping
masking
not
hold
back,
do
over
all
the
things
that
we
have
passed
and
made
decisions
on,
have
those
decisions
been
made
locally
at
the
school
board
level
or
with
the
site
base
or
school-based
decision-making
level.
H
I
think,
generally,
most
of
the
topics
that
you
just
mentioned
kind
of
generally
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
have
been
decided
at
the
school
board
level.
I
think
in
most
cases
that
was
because
they
were
issues
that
involved
the
entire
school
district
and
not
just
any
one
school,
which
has
always
been
roughly,
where
the
split
of
the
lines
of
authority
have
been
that
things
that
were
spilled,
school
specific
for
the
council
or
things
that
might
impact
the
entire
district
or
liability
at
the
district
level.
We're
with
the
school
board
and.
A
I
In
my
experience
in
my
limited
you
know
district,
no,
it's
been
the
superintendent
and
the
su
and
it
you
know.
I've
heard
a
lot
about
collaboration
today
and
a
lot.
You
know.
Collaboration
is
very,
very
important,
but
if
it's
just
one
person
like
the
superintendent,
it
really
depends
on
that
person's
willingness
to
collaborate.
A
H
I
think
there's
been
a
historic
and
good
level,
but
a
historic,
high
level
of
constituent
engagement
and
collaboration
with
school
boards
over
all
of
these
things.
For
the
past
couple
of
years,
we've
seen
in
a
lot
of
meetings,
and
I
can
just
tell
you-
emails
and
texts
and
phone
calls
school
board
members
trying
to
shop
at
kroger
and
trying
to
go
to
church
and
hearing
all
about
it.
So
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
that.
Community-Wide
outreach
and
discussion
in
general.
A
C
O
C
Coming
from
a
position
of
running
an
organization
as
a
ceo
and
our
programs
include
early
childhood
education
and
for
me
to
be
successful,
I
have
to
have
input
from
all
different
levels
from
all
different
programs,
and
I
have
to
take
that
into
consideration
because
they
know
what's
going
on
at
the
level
that
actually
makes
the
difference
in
the
classroom.
So
I
think
any
superintendent
worth
or
salt
is
going
to
continue
the
collaboration.
C
However,
it
does
make
one
individual
ultimately
responsible,
and
I
think
that
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
entire
district.
When
that
happens,
and
I
think
any
superintendent
is
going
to
know
that
schools
within
their
district
are
different
and
you
make
adaptations
depending
on
the
population
that
you're
serving
in
that
district
and
what
the
struggles
are
within
that
school.
C
So
I
vote
for
eye
for
the
bill
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
welcome
change,
and
I
know
this
is
most
of
the
teachers
within
my
district
probably
oppose
this,
but
I
think
it's
what's
best
for
our
kids
and
for
us
to
get
to
that
next
level.
There
has
to
be
a
different
level
of
a
performance
and
a
different
level
of
accountability.
A
M
I'll
explain
my
vote.
Please
please
proceed,
I
vote
aye
and
for
a
lot
of
different
reasons,
but
one
of
the
driving
ones
today
is
the
testimony
of
miss
brenda
jackson
33
years
in
her
position,
and
you
are
an
epitome
of
public
service,
and
I
appreciate
you
being
here
and
the
commit
that
you
made
to
this.
You
know
you're
there
for
no
reason
other
than
you
want
to
see
the
betterment
for
education.
I
appreciate
your
testimony
today
and
thank
you
for
your
service.
N
I'd
like
to
explain
my
no
vote,
please
proceed.
You
know,
I
don't
think,
there's
a
perfection
that
we
can
find
here.
I
don't
want
to,
and
I
don't
don't.
I
feel
uncomfortable
with
the
edge
of
denigration
in
terms
of
comments
made.
I
think
everybody
in
the
system,
whether
they're
teachers,
whether
the
superintendents,
whether
they're
custodians,
are
well
intended.
I
take
that
as
a
given
that
they're
trying
to
do
things
for
the
welfare
of
our
children
and
I
think,
there's
no
panacea
and
I
think
there's
no
fixed
or
generalized
approach
to
it.
N
N
On
the
other
hand,
I
think
there
are
great
successes
that
are
demonstrated
by
the
current
applications
or
modifications
in
some
instances
of
site-based
councils
in
particular
districts,
and
I
don't
think
we
can
take
a
just
a
sweep
and
say
you
know,
that's
not
important.
It
is
important.
It's
important,
the
the
authority,
the
placement
of
authority,
the
decision
making,
and
it
varies
from
place
to
place
to
think
that
one
person
is
well
intended
to
get
it
done.
N
A
O
I'm
going
to
be
voting
yesterday.
I
have
heard
a
lot
of
complaints
from
a
lot
of
my
districts
relating
to
this
issue
and,
as
was
already
mentioned,
I
want
to
reiterate
everything.
That's
already
been
said,
but
the
org
chart
of
an
organization
is
to
me
of
utmost
importance,
because
every
time
I've
ever
had
a
bad
experience,
it's
always
in
an
organization.
It's
always
a
function
of
chain
of
command
issues.
O
Nobody
knows
who's
responsible,
nobody
knows
who
they
can
go
to
and
they
have
an
issue
and
nobody
knows
how
to
solve
a
problem
and
therefore
problems
just
languish
and
never
get
solved,
and
I
see
that
our
education
system
is
replete
with
problems
that
everybody
wants
to
solve,
but
nobody
can
figure
out
how
to
do
that
now.
That
said,
I
don't
know
that
we're
getting
there
with
this
bill.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
things.
O
We
could
be
doing
certainly
they're
not
on
this
bill,
but
the
one
thing
that
I
find
interesting
is
that
we
have
these
boards
who
their
volunteers,
their
their
elected
officials.
They
come
in
once
a
month
for
policy
and
they
have
their
executive
director.
If
you
will
the
superintendent
who's
supposed
to
be
doing
all
of
the
day-to-day
stuff-
and
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
compelling
argument,
because
how
do
we
get
all
of
these
volunteer
boards?
I've
worked
in
volunteer
boards
long
enough
to
know
it's
hard
to
get
all
this
together.
O
So
I'm
going
to
vote
yesterday,
but
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
move
this
forward
just
enough
to
get
a
little
bit
more
discussion
and
bring
people
to
the
table
to
say:
we've
got
to
redo
this
site-based
council.
We
need
more
parents
on
this
council,
I'm
voting
for
that
easily
somebody
bring
that
bill,
I'm
voting
for
it
and
it
needs
to
be
in
this
bill
really.
So,
let's
get
that
moving
to
make
a
really
good
change.
That's
why
I'm
voting?
Yes!
Thank.
L
A
Vote
I,
by
a
margin
of
nine
to
one
the
bill
does
proceed
and
it
does
pass
so
we'll
move
on
from
here.
I
want
to
thank
both
sides
today
for
their
testimony
on
education
bills.
I
always
appreciate
when
we
can
have
civil
conversations
and
bring
everyone
to
the
table.
So
thank
you
all
for
presenting
today
and
thank
you
for
your
testimony.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
today
is
senate
bill
25
senate
bill
25
is,
I
am
the
primary
sponsor
of
that.
A
I'm
just
going
to
stay
in
this
chair
to
present
the
bill
to
make
it
easier
to
give
our
time
frame
that
we're
under
senate
bill
25.
The
purpose
of
the
bill
is
to
prioritize
in-person
learning
by
extending
the
2021
special
session
to
the
senate
bill
1
components
that
have
expired
through
december
31st.
It
was
given
to
us
from
the
special
session
that
we
had
that
dealt
with
covet
19..
A
But
this
is
one
of
those
issues
that
we
said
during
the
special
session
we
would
have
to
revisit
and
we
would
have
to
come
back
because
we
need
to
provide
flexibility
to
school
districts.
We
are
right
now
under
a
winter
situation,
but
we
also
have
kova
19
with
the
variant
that's
out
there.
With
flu
we
have
a
whole
other
situation,
they're
evolving.
So
basically,
what
this
bill
does
there's
a
whole
lot
of
things
that
already
will
remain
into
effect
without
having
to
re-up
some
of
the
legislation
that
is
before
you.
A
But
the
main
provisions
in
this
is
for
covid
19
absences,
and
I
repeat
this
for
coven
19
absences
that
remote
instruction
may
be
temporarily
provided
to
a
particular
school
grade,
classroom
or
group
for
no
more
than
10
days
per
school.
Now
that
is
not
for
the
entire
district.
I
want
to
make
sure
everyone
is
aware
for
that.
This
is
more
of
a.
We
called
it
in
the
special
session,
a
surgical
strike.
A
That
is
the
same
type
of
wording
that
we're
using
today,
but
also
this
bill
will
allow
for
districts
to
hire
those
retirees
from
ktrs
for
either
part
or
full-time,
certified
or
classified
positions
and
who
have
completed
a
minimum
required
break
in
their
employment
of
only
one
month.
Now
there
is
actuary
analysis
that
is
provided
for
here,
and
I
know
that
senator
higdon
is
always
one.
When
we
talk
about
pensions,
we
talk
about
retired
teachers.
There
is
no
impact
whatsoever
of
what
is
in
this
bill.
A
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that
beau
barnes
has
given
his
approval.
There's
a
letter
in
your
packet
there.
So
there's
no
impact
whatsoever
and
also
this
extends
the
hiring
threshold
from
one
percent
to
10
of
staff.
I
know
that
has
also
been
of
a
major
concern
for
school
districts
and
superintendents
and
others,
and
I
see
the
head
shaking
in
the
audience
of
superintendent,
dr
sucks,
who
testified
earlier
that
this
would
help
then
establish
feeling
staff
vacancies
that
may
be
needed
during
this
time
as
we're
evolving
with
kova
19
as
well.