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Here
in
the
room,
do
you
have
a
quorum
or
duly
constituted
to
do
business?
We
will
start
our
agenda
today
with
senate
bill
66
senator
schickel.
If
you
all,
would
recognize
yourselves
for
the
record
and
then
you
may
proceed
with
your
testimony.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
john
schickel.
I
serve
in
the
tent
in
the
senate.
E
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
members
of
the
committee
senate
bill.
66
is
a
very
practical
bill
which
developed
in
the
last
four
or
five
years.
As
you
know,
mr
chairman
and
members
of
this
committee,
rightfully
so,
the
kentucky
legislature
passed
some
very
strict
laws
about
background
checks
for
people
who
work
in
camps
camps
for
our
youth,
as
well
as
strict
background
checks
for
those
who
work
in
our
schools.
D
Last
year,
the
year
before,
we
had
a
cleanup
bill
about
the
background
checks
for
the
schools,
because
the
schools
were
having
trouble
complying,
but
I
was
contacted
by
several
several
of
our
camps
around
the
state,
the
sheriff's
camp,
the
ymca,
potter's
ranch
and
boone
county.
These
camps
were
having
trouble.
In
fact,
many
of
them
did
not
even
have
do
their
programming,
which
is
tragic.
They
cancelled
their
programming
because
the
law
was
confusing
and
they
were
have
trouble
and
they
were
having
trouble
complying.
D
So
what
we
did
is
we
kind
of
had
a
informal
task
force
where
we
got
all
the
stakeholders
at
the
table
to
redo
those
to
define
who
needed
a
background
check
who
didn't
and
how
the
background
check
was
going
to
be
done
and
that
was
senate
bill
66.
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F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
and
especially
to
senator
senator
schickel,
for
allowing
us
to
to
make
make
his
bill
even
better,
which
was
a
strong
bill
that
the
league
supported
at
its
introduction.
F
The
committee
substitute
simply
just
adds
a
new
section
to
have
the
cabinet
for
health
and
family
service
promulgate
regulations
to
specifically
address
youth
camps
and
youth
residential
camps.
Right
now,
there
is
some
tendency
to
try
to
those
city
programs
during
the
summer
to
try
to
get
them
to
be
licensed
as
day
care
facilities
and
that
confusion
between
the
the
statute
is
impeding
city
of
owensboro.
For
example,
city
of
elizabethtown,
we've
heard
from
in
bowling
green,
where
this
interpretation
from
the
cabinet
lately
has
been
has
been
impairing
their
ability
to
do
that.
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C
K
E
E
C
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G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
senate
bill
88
is
a
essentially
a
good
government
measure.
It's
to
promote
efficiency
by
allowing
municipalities
to
electronically
transmit
documents
related
to
annexations
to
the
secretary
of
state.
Currently,
these
doc,
it's
required
that
these
documents
be
transmitted
in
paper
format,
which
is
both
a
cost
driver
and
a
and
a
burden.
G
This
would
actually
give
cities
the
option
of
submitting
them,
either
in
paper
format
or
electronically.
So
you
know
it
basically
creates
additional
options
for
our
municipalities.
As
far
as
annexations
are
concerned,
we
think
this
is
the
direction
things
are
going,
and
this
is
just
a
good
government
measure
to
promote
push.
G
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B
Just
a
quick
question,
mr
chairman,
just
want
to
make
sure
that
going
from
paper
to
electronic
base,
there's
no
content
change
or
any
anything
along
those
lines.
Everything
is
consistent.
Just
want
to
make
sure
that.
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The
sub,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
j.c
young
executive
director
of
the
kentucky
magistrates
and
commissioners
association.
N
Current
state
statute
mandates
that
fiscal
courts
and
counties
have
county
reapportionment.
Mr
chairman,
in
the
year
after
the
census,
proceedings
start
in
the
month
of
may,
we've
received
information
through
press
releases
and
through
conversations
with
the
u.s
citizens
bureau
that
the
information
is
going
to
be
delayed,
they've
put
a
deadline
on
themselves
of
september
30..
You
should
have
some
information
in
your
packets
that
were
emailed
to
you
all.
There
was
a
meeting
in
which
we
had
some
lrc
folks
state
board
of
election
folks
magistrate
livingston
and
myself
with
the
u.s
census
bureau,
to
confirm.
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N
E
If
we
don't
go
first
and
the
magistrates
come
behind
us,
that's
why?
If
you
look
back
on
the
last
time,
redistricting
was
done.
There
are
several
precincts
that
you
might
have
in
some
of
the
communities
that
you
represent,
that
have
been
split
where
you
might
only
have
three
or
four
voters
in
a
precinct:
seven
voters
in
a
precinct
something
of
that
along
those
lines,
and
so
this
should
also
help
with
that
situation.
As
well.
Representative
koenig
has
a
question.
I
believe.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
on
this
topic.
I
know
we're
getting
the
numbers
in
september
and
I
understand
what
you
just
said.
I
mean
we
have
literally
empty
precincts
in
in
kenton
county,
but
that
said,
are
you
concerned
that
waiting
till
run
in
new
districts
in
2026
might
pose
some
legal
issues.
N
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So
we've
asked
for
some
information
from
the
attorney
general's
office
as
we're
as
we're
going
through
this
process.
The
problem
is:
is
we're
up
against
the
clock
with
the
state
legislature,
our
issues
are:
are
not
necessarily
constitutional
they're
with
they're
in
krs.
So
whatever
you
change,
you
know
you
drew
you.
You
set
this
the
stage
for
us
here,
so
I
think
we're
under
the
impression
that
you
can.
You
can
fix
this
or
the
legislature.
State
legislature
can
repair
it.
E
All
right,
we
do
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
sub.
All
those
in
favor
of
the
sub
say
aye
any
opposed.
The
sub
is
adopted.
We've
we
know
what
is
in
the
sub,
based
on
the
explanation.
There
senator
schroeder,
if
you
and
your
other
guests,
will
come
up
and
explain
the
part
of
the
original
bill
that
still
maintains
itself
in
there.
P
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
I'd,
be
happy
to
do
that.
Will
schroeder
kentucky
state
center
24th
district
good
to
see
you
all
good
afternoon?
I
appreciate
your
time.
We
started
off
somewhat
ambitious,
trying
to
address
a
number
of
issues
that
the
kentucky
league
of
cities
was
hoping
to
accomplish
this
legislative
session.
As
I
received
feedback
from
colleagues
and
concerns
with
different
parts
of
the
bill,
we
did
a
senate
committee
substitute.
P
So
what
we
had
before
you
today
really
only
focuses
on
two
issues,
and
that
is
splash.
Pads
and
splash.
Pads
are
parks,
representative
roberts
and
I
share
the
city
of
wilder-
is
building
currently
a
splash
pad
the
city
of
wilder,
like
many
cities
that
have
looked
into
this,
have
experienced
antiquated
statutes
that
are
treating
them
like
swimming
pools.
So
you
can
imagine
some
of
the
things
that
you
would
expect
would
be
at
a
swimming
pool
for
life-saving
measures
are
not
needed
at
a
splash
park.
P
P
This
is
coming
off
of
the
change
that
we
made
in
2019
to
house
bill.
You
remember
it
house
bill
it's
my
notes,
but
one
of
the
house
bills.
Sorry
to
put
you
on
the
spot
house
bill
69
was
one
of
the
changes
we
made.
This
is
further
just
clearing
up
a
little
bit
and
allowing
cities
to
invest
their
money
in
really
low
risk
funds.
E
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Representative
donahue,
thank
you,
mr
speaker.
I
think
it
was
answered
in
the
handout
here.
My
concern
was
make
sure
that
the
water
was
still
being
like.
It
was
with
the
pool
because
those
splash
parks
were
very
successful
in
my
district
as
well,
but
it
could
also
be
a
petri
dish
as
well
too,
if
you're,
not
so,
the
water
will
stay
the
same
as
far
as
the
filtration
and
stuff.
Okay.
Thank
you
appreciate
it.
Thank.
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Q
I'm
nancy
yalton,
legislate,
council
kentucky
league
of
cities.
Q
Okay,
I'll
repeat
that
I'm
nancy
yelton
legislative
council,
kentucky
league
of
cities.
J
Thank
you,
chairman
meredith,
and
members
of
the
committee.
Cinema
105
is
a
bill
that
we've
been
working
on
for
the
last
two
and
a
half
or
three
years
with
klc.
It's
a
bill
that
we
presented.
If
you
remember
back
to
the
joint
meeting
at
the
state
fairgrounds
last
year
during
the
interim,
we
presented
this
bill
and
from
that
time
we've
continued
to
improve
and
incrementally
improve
this
bill.
J
Many
of
you
have
local
government
experience
and
are
in
these
neighborhoods,
especially
we've
had
members
of
the
louisville
delegation
and
mayor's
office
in
my
office,
talking
about
thousands
upon
thousands
of
blighted
and
abandoned
properties
that
they
have
in
louisville
and
all
those
cities
that
have
come
in
and
spoken
with
me
are
in
favor
of
this
tool
to
my
left
has
been
kind
of
the
main
crafter
of
this
legislation
and
I'll
allow
jd
to
comment
here
just
a
second
from
the
league
of
cities
and
then
let
miss
yeltsin
talk
about
some
of
the
details
and
then
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
for
you.
F
F
Other
states
contiguous
states
what
additional
tools
do
they
have
that
we
don't
have
in
kentucky.
Even
though
we
have
a
state
of
the
art
code
enforcement
system
and
the
one
thing
that
was
missing
from
the
books
here
in
this
state
was
the
ability
to
do
a
conservatorship
to
be
able
to
single
out
a
piece
of
property
that
meets
some
stringent
criteria
and
nancy
will
talk
about
that
to
be
able
to
get
it
improved
in
a
single
in
a
single
setting,
rather
than
using
chapter
99
looking
at
an
entire
area,
calling
it
blighted
and
deteriorated.
F
Q
Okay,
thank
you.
This
bill
applies
to
residential
commercial
and
industrial
buildings
that
have
been
continuously
vacant
for
at
least
one
year
with
repeated
code
violations.
In
addition
to
those
requirements
there
are
listed
in
the
legislation.
Q
Q
The
building
has
not
been
brought
into
compliance
with
housing
building
or
nuisance
codes,
and
a
court
would
have
to
determine
at
least
three
of
those
requirements
of
the
seven
have
been
met.
If
these
criteria
are
met.
Q
The
petition
must
include
copies
of
all
of
the
code
violations
that
have
been
cited
with
proof
of
service
so
that
the
persons
who
have
ownership
interests
would
be
aware
previously
that
their
issues
with
the
property.
Q
Any
property
that's
been
actively
marketed
within
the
last
60
days,
so
those
are
some
additional
criteria
that
the
court
must
look
at
consider
and
then,
after
a
petition
is
filed,
the
court
is
required
to
hold
a
hearing.
Q
If
it's
satisfied
with
the
information
can
order,
the
sale
of
the
property
and
any
sale
of
the
property
would
be
subject
to
the
supervision
and
approval
of
the
court.
The
conservator
can
make
a
recommendation
on
how
that
property
might
be
sold
by
a
contract
by
auction
or
any
other
method
that
the
court
would
determine
to
be
reasonable
and
when
that
sale
is
determined,
the
method
of
sale
after
the
sale.
Q
All
of
the
information
has
to
be
provided
back
to
the
court
sale
price
who
bought
it
etc,
and
this
proposed
legislation
is
a
does,
have
a
delayed,
effective
date
of
january
1,
2022
and
in
your
materials.
Also
is
this
flow
chart
of
the
proceedings
and
also
a
frequently
asked
questions
list.
J
Very
good,
thank
you
nancy.
As
you
can
tell
this,
you
know
this
bill
has
been
vetted.
We
I
said:
we've
been
working
on
it
for
two
and
a
half
or
three
years,
and
we
have
met
with
multiple,
focusing.
E
Second,
representative,
thomas,
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions.
It
looks
like
from
committee
members,
representative
miller.
You
were
first.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
familiar
with
this
from
time
on
louisville
metro
council,
as
I'm
sure
representative
fleming,
is
one
issue
had
been
people
buying
properties
at
the
courthouse
door.
Realizing,
oh,
it
takes
more
money
to
get
this
up
and
it's
the
ownership
is
really
nebulous.
D
D
Can
a
home
improvement
company
being
named
as
a
conservator
and
and
and
I
assume
that
people
like
habitat
for
humanity
or
their
fuller
center
could
be
a
conservator?
So
could
you
talk
about
that
in
general?.
Q
Yes,
a
conservator
again
has
to
be
a
qualified,
a
competent
entity
that
has
done
this
type
of
work
before
and
it
can
be
a
community
development
organization.
It
can
be
a
non-profit,
it
can
be
a
local
government
or
any
other
entity
that
the
court
believes
is
competent
to
actually
do
the
work
and
just
to
make
clear.
These
are
not
properties
sold
at
the
courthouse
door
like
a
foreclosure,
there's
more
oversight
in
these
cases
of
who
purchases
it.
Q
How
it's
purchased
has
to
be
approved
by
the
court,
the
the
sale
so
there's
a
lot
more
oversight
in
this
situation,
and-
and
and
for
that
reason
we
think
this
is
a
good
option,
because
you
will
have
a
rehabilitated
property,
whereas
with
a
foreclosure,
you're,
not
sure
what
you're
going
to
end
up
with.
F
I'll,
add
to
that
chairman
miller,
that
if
you
have
one
of
those
courthouse
door,
cells
and
and
what
happens
what
you're
seeing
happen,
it
goes
it's
more
than
what
they
bargained
for.
They
don't
improve
it.
If
it
sets
vacant,
then
this
could
be
used
to
come
in
and
remedy
that
situation
on
those
short
short
sales,
like
that
yeah.
J
F
Q
Q
J
Yeah-
and
we
we've
vetted
as
far
as
talking
about
this
issue
and
most
of
our
questions
in
the
senate
came
from
came
about
around
property
ownership
and
about
making
sure
that
folks
were
notified
and
that
we
weren't
pull.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
have
a
couple
of
questions.
If
that's
okay,
my
first
one
is
on
on
the
properties
that
are
identified
that
are
blighted
in
this
process.
Are
those
properties
sold
or
are
they
are?
Are
they
given
away.
Q
No
they're
actually
sold
and
the
the
income
from
the
sale
would
be
used
to
pay
off
the
of
rehabilitation
and
also
any
liens
that
they
are.
Q
G
My
second
question
is
in,
and
you
kind
of
addressed
the
senator
in
terms
of
of
private
property
rights
in
terms
of
this
is
a
property
that
someone
owns.
They
may
or
may
not
be
taking
care
of
it.
So
my
I
guess
my
question:
if
you
can
clarify
for
me,
how
would
this
alleviate
someone's
private
property
rights?
In
other
words,
it
seems
to
me
it's
kind
of
trampling
on
those
rights.
So
could
you
address
that?
Please.
G
Q
Me,
okay:
there
is
in
the
law
and
has
been
for
a
good
while,
what's
called
a
public
nuisance
exception
to
the
takings
clause,
and
there
are,
there
is
legislation
similar
to
this
in
other
states
and
they
they
rely
on
that
same
law,
area
of
law
in
sale
of
those
properties.
So
it's
it's
established
that
there
is
a
public
nuisance
exception.
Q
Q
The
court
would,
I'm
sure,
put
requirements
on
the
owner
who
comes
forward
and
says:
hey,
I'm
gonna.
Do
this
to
say:
okay,
you've
got
this
much
time
that
kind
of
thing,
so
there
isn't
out
and
a
lot
of
these
properties
that
obviously
people
aren't
real
interested
in
the
first
place.
You
could
argue
because
they've
been
vacant
continuously
for
at
least
one
year
with
multiple
co-violations.
J
Thank
you,
and
I
might
add
too,
that
you
know
there
is
two
layers
of
government
that
are
going
to
you
know
you
have
the
local
government.
That's
got
a
petition,
the
court
for
a
conservatorship
and
they're
going
to
know
the
back
story
on
this
piece
of
property
they're,
the
ones
that's
been.
You
know,
writing
up
code
violations
and
they're
going
to
know
whether
there's
a
a
real
ownership
there
an
interest
in
ownership,
and
then
you
also
have
the
judge
who
is
going
to
be.
J
You
know
very
protective
of
people's
property
rights
too,
so
I
think
there's
several
checks
there.
That
will
enable
us
to
make
sure
that
property
is
not
quote
unquote
taken
from
somebody,
but
yet
you
know
we
do
have
you
know,
folks
that
are
neighbors
to
this
vacant
piece
of
property
or
abandoned
piece
of
property.
You
know
they
have
rights
too
and
they're.
You
know
living
with
this
piece
of
property
next
to
them
and-
and
I
think
it's
local
government's-
you
know
priority
to
see
after
that,
that
property
is
brought
up
to
shape
so.
R
Q
The
petitioner
is
a
local
government,
it
could
be
city
or
county
and
initially
the
city
or
county
would
be
paying
the
court
costs
at
the
end
upon
sale,
it's
possible
if
the
city
or
county
wants
to
have
that
repaid
that
they
can
have
that
repaid.
It
might
be
that
the
local
government
will
weigh
that.
J
Yeah,
that's
kind
of
represent
fraser,
it's
kind
of
like
when
the
a
city
takes
care
of
a
property
and
mows
it
and
keeps
it
up.
You
know
those
repayments
are
pretty
low
on
when
when
a
property
is
sold,
you
know
lien
holders
and
other
items
are
taken
care
of
before
it
gets
down
to
those
to
that
payback.
F
And
in
fact,
it's
so
important
to
the
local
government,
besides
tax
liens,
when
you
look
at
the
lien
priority
on
this
sale,
a
lot
of
times
most
of
these
properties,
don't
have
don't
have
owners
or
owners
that
are
disinterested,
and
that's
that's
going
to
be
the
most
common,
because
they're
not
going
to
have
mortgages
on
it.
We've
excluded
those.
F
But
if
you
look
at
the
sale
proceeds
local
governments,
it's
so
important
to
them-
they're
willing
to
waive
their
previous
cold
leans
in
terms
of
being
being
paid
just
to
get
the
property
up
to
code,
I
mean
that's
what
code
enforcement
is
all
about,
get
it
up
to
code,
it's
not
supposed
to
be
a
punitive
mechanism,
and
so,
when
you
look
at
the
lien
priority,
we're
probably
local
governments
if
they
mode
it.
If
they've
done
anything
on
a
code,
citation
it's
going
to
be
unlikely
that
they're
going
to
get
paid
out
of
those
those
proceeds.
S
Q
Yeah,
I
can
do
that,
as
you
all
may
be
aware.
The
majority
of
these
properties,
certainly
not
all
of
the
properties
but
a
good.
Many
of
these
are
in
the
louisville
area
and
primarily
in
the
local
area
in
the
west
end
and,
as
you
all
are
probably
aware,
representative
fleming
has
some
legislation
that
goes
to
properties
in
the
west
end
and
to
try
to
address
the
gentrification
issue
there.
Q
If
there
could
be
one
that
legislation
puts
a
freeze
on
property
taxes
for
all
properties
in
that
area,
current
owners
for
a
period
of
30
years,
so
I
believe
the
sponsors
of
both
in
the
house
and
the
senate
of
that
legislation
believe
that
will
address
gentrification,
hopefully
in
in
that
particular
area
and
across
the
state.
What
we've
found
that
these
are
more,
the
other,
the
abandoned
properties
across
the
state,
some
in
other
small
cities
or
even
some
of
our
bigger
cities.
The
properties
are
more
scattered.
Q
You
know
abandoned
blight
here
been
over
across
town
and
not
sufficient
enough
that
we
don't.
We
think
there
would
be
an
issue
for
gentrification,
because
it's
not
a
one
localized
area
sort
of
like
what's
occurring
in
louisville
yeah.
F
Representative
brown,
I
make
two
really
quick
points
on
that
related
and
we've
had
some
great
discussions
with
you
over
the
years
on
the
issues
with
with
with
gentrification.
This
legislation
should
not
exacerbate
that
issue.
It
shouldn't
because
two
points
one.
It's
laser
focused
on
a
particular
piece
of
property,
not
the
chapter
99
declaring
a
whole
area
about
abandoned
and
blinded.
So
it's
laser
focused
on
one
property
and
then
I'll
bring
you
back
to
nancy's
point.
This
is
not
about
an
overhaul.
F
A
complete,
come
in
tear
tear
down
the
property,
rebuild
nice
new
nice
new
buildings
that
are
out
of
the
price
range
of
the.
If
you're
looking
at
a
residential
community,
it
is
bringing
that
property
up
to
the
basic
the
basic
code,
and
that's
what
it's
doing
so.
Those
two
things
I
think
guard
against
this,
exacerbating
those
issues
and
provides
an
alternative,
in
fact,
to
the
chapter
99
procedures,
which
which
has
you
attack
that
on
an
area-wide,
an
area-wide
basis.
S
If
I
may,
mr
chairman,
go
ahead,
I
think
I
would
like
to
have
further
conversation
about
that
and
get
a
clearer
understanding,
so
senator
mills,
mr
cheney,
if
we
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
that,
that
is
a
concern
and
you
know
it's
like
louisville,
but
if
it's
like,
if,
if
louisville
jefferson,
county
catches,
a
cold
lexington
fayette
county
catches
pneumonia,
so
I
don't
want
to
be
out
hanging
out
there
and
and
looking
at
this
being
a
concern
about
other
parts
of
the
state.
J
E
S
S
B
E
F
J
E
We're
going
to
pass
over
house
bill
302,
so
our
final
bill
on
today's
agenda
will
be
house
bill.
267,
representative
koenig.
If
you
would
come
to
the
table
and
then
I
think,
we've
got
several
different
folks
who
want
to
speak
on
this
issue
but
represent
koenig.
You
can
go
ahead
and
bring
your
folks
up
with
you
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
other
folks,
I'm
going
to
try
and
I
don't
like
to
set
time
limits.
E
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I've
always
just
described
you
as
graceful
every
time
people
ask
me
about
you,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee.
This
has
been
a
long
road
over
the
years.
L
I've
filed
several
different
bills
in
in
this
regard,
and
it's
been
a
long
road
this
year
and
if
you'll
pull
up
your
committee,
sub
you'll,
see
it
says,
committee
sub,
seven,
that's
how
much
effort
and
has
gone
into
this
and
how
many
changes
we've
made
to
try
to
accommodate,
not
just
members
of
the
body
but
members
of
the
constables
association
house,
bill
267,
makes
our
community
safer
by
ensuring
the
people
who
make
arrests
and
traffic
stops,
as
well
as
those
responding
to
crime
scenes
and
potentially
dangerous
situations
are
all
trained
and
qualified
more
than
500
constables
in
kentucky
carry
a
gun
and
badge
or
can
carry
a
gun
and
badge.
L
Yet
only
two
have
police
officer,
professional
standards
or
pop
certification,
meaning
they
have
met
the
same
training
requirements
as
other
police
officers
in
the
state.
However,
constables
can
take
the
same
actions
as
our
certified
officers.
They
can
pull
you
over.
Take
you
into
custody,
custody
file,
criminal
charges,
house
bills,
267
does
not
remove
the
position
of
constable,
but
it
does
address
concerns
with
untrained
constables
serving
in
law
enforcement
role.
In
fact,
if
you
pull
up
the
either
the
bill
or
the
committee
substitute,
you
will
see
the
first
page
and
a
half.
L
We
outline
all
the
duties
that
constables
will
be
able
to
continue
to
engage
in,
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
brianna
here
to
discuss
the
details.
T
Brianna
carroll,
director
of
public
affairs
for
the
kentucky
league
of
city
cities,
cities.
The
committee
sub
to
housefield
267
just
provides
constables
a
path
to
receive
the
certification
by
allowing
those
constables
to
apply
to
any
klec
certified
basic
training
course
and
by
requiring
the
department
of
criminal
justice
training
to
accept
one
qualified
constable
per
training
class.
T
The
doc
jt
stated
that
they
run
about
9
to
10
a
year
and
as
long
as
they
meet
the
qual
same
qualifying
requirements
as
our
peace
officers
and
our
police
officers
and
our
sheriff's
deputies,
the
cost
of
doc
jt's
training
would
be
covered
by
the
kentucky
law
enforcement
program
fund.
For
those
constables.
The
language
in
the
committee
sub
will
also
grandfather
the
current
constables,
as
well
as
their
deputies
that
are
holding
office
and
we're
delaying
the
effective
date
of
this
bill
to
january
1
2023.
T
So
this
would
not
impact
any
constables
that
are
currently
in
office
and
would
not
impact
them
if
they
are
re-elected
to
their
position
next
term.
The
sub
removes
the
priority
of
service
requirement
that
was
in
the
original
bill
and
also
waives
the
administrative
fees
in
counties
of
70
000
or
less
just
to
make
that
consistent
with
what
the
sheriffs
pay
as
well
and
the
goal
of
house
bill
267
is
to
make
our
community
safer,
which
is
a
common
theme
for
the
kentucky
league
of
cities.
T
Two
years
ago,
we
passed
house
bill
191
which
decertified
our
police
officers
and
again,
we
just
testified
today
in
support
of
senate
bill
80,
danny
carroll's
bill,
which
strengthens
those
decertification
provisions
for
police
officers.
This
is
simply
just
addressing
communities
to
be
safe.
We
have
had
several
conversations
with
our
current
with
current
constables
and
the
constables
association.
While
working
on
the
drafting
this
bill.
We
recognize
that
not
all
constables
face
legal
problems
and
not
all
constables,
exercise,
police
officer
powers
house
bill
267
will
allow
the
constables
to
continue
serving
their
community.
T
This
bill
will
keep
the
powers
and
duties
of
a
constable
that
were
put
in
place
when
the
position
was
created
in
1850,
the
police
officer,
powers
for
the
constitution
or
constables
are
statutorily
granted
and
are
not
in
the
constitution,
and
that's
why
we
are
addressing
this
bill
today.
We
all
know
that
about
the
numerous
cases
over
the
years
of
constables,
using
and
abusing
powers-
and
we
are
asking
at
this
to
pass
this
measure
to
help
ensure
the
people
who
exercise
peace
officer
powers
in
our
communities
are
trained.
R
Officers,
meredith
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
shelly
hampton,
I'm
legislative
director
for
the
kentucky
association
of
counties.
I
want
to
thank
chairman,
koenig
former
canton
county
commissioner
for
his
steadfast
commitment
to
this
issue.
Throughout
the
years
it's
been
a
long
and
winding
road
with
many
many
conversations
back
and
forth
with
all
the
affected
associations.
So
thank
you
for
your
steadfast
support
also
want
to
recognize
leader
joni
jenkins
as
well.
R
She
has
co-sponsored
this
on
several
occasions
and
this
year
we
also
welcome
leader
rudy,
with
his
co-sponsorship
keiko,
supports
this
legislation
again
this
year
to
ensure
consistency
in
the
national
model.
That
is
the
envy
of
other
states
that
we
have
here
in
kentucky
in
richmond
at
the
the
department
of
criminal
justice
training.
The
reporting
component
in
this
bill
will
also
result
in
more
accountability
of
the
fees
collected
by
the
these
officers.
We
feel,
like
other
county
officials
who
collect
fees
and
taxes,
also
have
this
accountability
in
place,
and
this
just
provides
for
more
consistency.
R
L
L
I
don't
think
there's
a
single
member
of
the
legislature
today
that
would
file
a
bill
or
vote
for
a
bill
that
would
eliminate
the
requirements
of
our
pop
certified
officers
and
deputy
sheriffs
at
all
anywhere
in
the
state,
and
I
think
we
should
remain
consistent
with
that.
If
it's
good
enough
for
those
folks,
I
think
it's
good
enough
for
anyone
who
would
exercise
these
police
officer
powers.
L
E
K
K
Thank
you
very
much
chairman
meredith
and
distinguished
members.
K
Is
it
on
now?
Okay?
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
tj
litovic
lobbyist
on
behalf
of
kentucky
constables,
association,
chairman
meredith
and
distinguished
members
of
the
committee
on
behalf
of
the
kentucky
constable
association
and
the
nearly
600
constables
in
kentucky.
We
thank
you
for
your
service
to
the
commonwealth
with
me
in
leadership.
Roles
for
the
association
are
wade,
mcnabb
and
lynn
toller
if
they
will
introduce
themselves
and
state
both
their
elected
positions
in
their
home
counties
and
titles
within
the
association.
K
We
fully
recognize
that
there
have
been
some
serious
issues
in
past
years
concerning
both
elected
and
deputy
constables,
and
that's
why
the
association
continues
to
seek
a
mechanism
to
offer
comprehensive
law
enforcement
training
within
its
ranks.
However,
we
must
oppose
any
attempt
to
unfairly
target
these
constitutional
officers
elected
by
the
people.
K
We
also
cannot
support
other
aspects
of
this
bill
that
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
goal
of
training,
but
that
attack
constable's
ability
to
generate
revenue.
Specifically.
This
includes
such
changes
as
allowing
county
sheriffs
to
have
a
right
of
first
refusal
for
all
process
serving
within
their
respective
counties,
as
well
as
a
mandate
that
would
force
constables
to
turn
over
25
percent
of
collected
fees
to
their
county
fiscal
courts
and
also
the
potential
that
constable
bonds
could
be
set
in
unreasonable
amounts.
K
There
have
been
previous
legislative
attempts
to
abolish
the
office
of
constable
through
a
proposed
constitutional
amendment
that
would
place
the
decision
squarely
before
the
voters.
This
approach,
while
we
do
not
support
it,
is
at
least
straightforward
and
decisive
in
its
intent
house.
Bill
267,
however,
is
the
path
of
incremental
diminishment
toward
the
slow
death
of
kentucky
constables.
This
is
wrong.
K
We
believe
there
is
a
better
approach.
That's
why
the
kentucky
constable
association
last
year
supported
and
continued
support
support
legislation
in
the
senate,
sponsored
by
chairman
robbie
mills
senate
bill
104.
That
would
allow
constables
to
become
certified
by
completing
rigorous
training
at
no
cost
to
taxpayers.
K
That
would
professionalize
members
and
equip
them
with
the
knowledge
and
skills
they
need
to
perform
their
duties
at
an
optimal
level.
We
respectfully
ask
that
you
oppose
house
bill
276
in
its
current
form,
give
kentucky's
constables
a
chance
to
better
educate
and
equip
themselves
before
you
seek
to
strip
them
of
a
viable
future.
K
M
M
Good
afternoon,
mr
chairman,
honorable
members
of
the
panel,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
my
name
is
william
elkins,
I'm
clark
county
attorney
seated
in
my
right
as
representative,
ryan,
dotson
and
representative
I'll.
Be
brief.
I
I
think
it'd
be
difficult
for
you
to
have
any
appreciation
for
what
it
was
that
I
might
offer.
Unless
I
say
to
you
that
I
first
began
policing
in
1987
and
for
the
next
11
years.
I
served
in
many
capacities,
including
the
winchester
police
department,
the
georgetown
police
department,
drug
task
force
under
attorney
general
gorman.
M
M
I
immediately
began
a
cooperative
effort
with
the
car,
the
clark
county
council
association
to
to
get
moving
on
469
open
cases
where
children
were
being
stigmatized
by
poverty
or
being
unrepresented
in
that
their
process
wasn't
being
served.
You
know
on
the
absence
of
absconding
parents,
I'm
proud
to
say
that
last
year,
with
the
help
of
the
clark
county
council
was
those
six
men
that
the
county,
attorney's
child
support
collection
program
in
clark
county
was
awarded
the
best
office
in
the
state.
M
That
number
now
is
down
from
469
to
about
118.
the
constable
association
in
clark
county.
I
brought
this
sort
of
I
thought.
Maybe
I'd
pass
these
out,
but
I
was
unfamiliar
with
exactly
the
mechanics
of
this
room
work.
M
The
305
individuals
in
14
months
at
clark
county
council,
served
for
the
clark
county
attorney's
office
to
reduce
that
number
and
prevent
the
you
know:
children
being
left
out,
but
sconding
parents
in
just
one
child
support
program
in
kentucky
305
people.
We
could
be
talking
about
affecting
the
lives
of
anywhere
from
305
to
as
many
as
a
thousand
or
more
children
who
today
would
not
have
any
benefits
being
paid
to
them.
M
They'd
be
provided
no
services,
but
if
it
was
not
for
people
like
the
constable
association
in
clark
county
to
say
that
these
people,
you
know,
have
to
have
their
need
to
have
their
peace
officer,
power
stripped
is
effectively
saying
that
they
need
to
be
eliminated.
M
Now,
for
I
told
you
for
11
years
when
I
was
a
police
officer,
if
you'd
asked
me
to
take
a
child
support
warrant-
and
I
want
to
tell
you-
we
got
157
outstanding
warrants
in
clark
county
kentucky
today
for
people
who've
not
paid
their
child
support
that
we
can't
find
I'd,
lay
odds
that
when
that
person
is
found
and
brought
to
justice,
that
it'll
be
a
clark
county
constable
that
brings
them.
I'd
say
that
if
you
could
name
one
sheriff's
department,
that's
so
overstaffed
that
he
has
time
to
work
with
57,
absent
parents.
M
I'd
say
to
you.
I
could
find
10
who
can't
you're
talking
about
530
able
bodies,
quality,
competent
people
who
had
the
confidence
of
the
people
who
elected
them,
who
are
capable
of
performing
the
job,
it's
a
job
that
they
cannot
perform
without
peace
officer
powers.
I
remember
when
I
started
in
1987.
We
still
developed
our
photographs
in
the
black
room.
M
M
That's
really
the
safety
vest
that
these
folks
were
it's
a
requirement
of
the
job
and,
if
you're
gonna,
if
you're,
considering
voting,
support
house
bills,
267
I'd
ask
you
to
to
reflect
on
this
for
just
a
second
who
am
I
going
to
replace
those
people
with
and
at
what
cost
who's
going
to
serve
those
thousand
kids
in
clark
county
kentucky?
If
I
strike
this
power,
if
I
take
this
away
from
these
individuals,
the
the
blight
of
unpaid
child
support
is
not
going
away.
We
need
more
people,
not
less,
and
I'd.
E
Gentlemen,
go
ahead
and
introduce
yourself:
we
are
getting
close
to
the
end
of
that
10
minutes.
So
try
to
keep
it
brief
if
we
can,
but
but
again
I'll
give
you
a
little
grace
on
it
but,
like
I
said,
just
just
try
to
keep
it
as
brief
as
possible.
G
Thank
you,
chairman
meredith.
I
am
representative
ryan
dodson
73rd
district,
and
I
would
just
like
to
allude
to
the
fact
of
the
character
of
of
many
of
the
constables
that
I've
come
to
know
personally
and
many
of
our
constables,
as
we
all
know,
are
elected
officials,
which
probably
would
have
never
been
elected
if
they
were
bad
people.
These
are
good
people,
we
have
retired
military.
We
have
business
owners,
entrepreneurs
who
are
just
seeking
a
way
to
serve
as
a
part-time
to
their
community,
and
they
do
so
as
constables.
G
We
were
the
biggest
county
east
of
the
mississippi
and
it
took
an
hour
and
a
half
for
a
sheriff
or
someone
from
the
state
police
to
get
to
us,
but
our
constable
was
always
there
and
to
diminish
these
guys
of
their
powers
and
their
ability
to
do
some
of
the
work,
as
mr
elkins
has
said,
would
be
a
great
travesty
to
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
and
so
I
would
just
like
to
rise
up
in
support
of
my
constables
and
support
the
kca
and
I'd
like
to
ask
the
members
here
for
a
no
vote.
Thank
you.
O
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
chris
fugit
84th
district,
and
I'm
going
to
talk
about
the
consoles
from
maybe
a
little
bit
different
perspective.
O
Many
times
in
from
1994
until
september
of
2003,
I
would
be
the
only
kentucky
state
trooper
left
out
after
midnight.
There
was
many
times
that
I
had
to
take
domestic
calls
and
I
would
go
by
myself
on
some
policy
dictates
different
now,
but
there
was
many
times
that
many
times
that
a
constable
was
the
one
that
backed
me
up
that
went
on
the
complaints
with
me.
I've
had
constables
that
stood
by
and
secured
the
scene
of
methamphetamine
labs.
I've
had
constables
that
that
responded
with
me
on
domestics
and
complaints.
O
O
Let's
say
if
there's
a
hundred
new
constables
elected
next
year
as
constables
in
our
areas,
dlc
jt
already
has
said
that
they
can't
train
but
nine
of
them.
So
in
four
years
those
100
constables
couldn't
get
trained
that
only
only
36
could
could
be
trained.
So
I
think
it's
unfair.
This
house
bill's
unfair.
O
Like
I
said,
I've
worked
with
them,
I'm
not
saying
there's
not
bad
actors
out
there.
There
are,
but
there's
also
bad
actors
in
every
profession,
and
so
I
just
I
support
them.
I
you
know
the
three
three
constables
that
that
we
have
back
home
in
my
district
in
my
home
district
is
are
friends
of
mine,
they're,
good
men.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I'm
bill
westley
over
the
91st
district,
which
is
esther
lee
owsley
and
brethren
counties
and
a
little
bit
of
madison.
I
am
a
chaplain
over
five
departments.
H
I
work
with
constables
a
lot
and
I
have
a
lot
of
small
counties
and
if
it
wasn't
for
the
the
constables
we'd
be
in
trouble
in
a
lot
of
ways,
our
guys
would
be
in
trouble.
There's
numerous
of
testimonies
that
constables
came
in
for
backup,
as
representative
fugit
said
that
that
that's
all
we
had
and
these
people
they're
not
paid
they're
they're,
not
on
salaries,
they
are
elected
officials
and
they
have
to
buy
all
their
equipment
themselves
and
all
they're
doing
is
asking
for
training.
H
You
know
they.
We
we
we
do
and
understand
that
there
has
been
some
accidents
that
happen
out
there,
but
this
bill
has
been
filed
for
11
straight
years
and
the
constables
has
to
fight
every
year
to
ask
for
training,
and
so
I'm
here
on
the
on
the
behalf
of
the
constables,
not
only
the
constables
but
the
sheriff's
department.
B
H
E
Chair
right,
I
think,
do
we
have
questions
from
the
committee
members
and
I
think
we've
got
a
couple,
closing
statements
from
the
the
the
sponsor
and
his
panel
and
then
we'll
go
to
you
representative,
donahue
and
then
represent.
C
C
I'll
make
a
statement.
First,
I've
been
dealing
with
this
for
a
long
time.
You
know
it's
been
around
for
a
lot
of
years.
We
have
my
one
of
my
constables
that
made
the
highlight
reel.
You
know
in
in
louisville,
so
did
anyone
reach
out
to
you
about
maybe
find
some
kind
of
a
suburb
or
some
kind
of
a
way
to
represent
the
sponsors
of
this
bill
to
find
some
kind
of
middle
ground?
Anybody
talk
to
you
about
that.
O
E
B
Just
a
quick
question:
nick
nick
yes,
sir
quick
question
more
educational
questions,
if
you
don't
mind,
how
do
how
do
y'all
take
in
individuals
into
your
program.
I
Our
basic
training,
who
gets
into
our
basic
training,
the
availabilities
of
services
and
facilities
as
it's
written
in
krs,
is
guided
by
krs
15
340..
Essentially,
we
train,
who
the
legislature
tells
us
to
train.
So
as
it
stands
right
now,
constables
can
get
into
a
basic
training
class,
but
the
law
reads
that
we
shall
give
first
priority
to
police
officers
as
defined
by
krs,
15
420.
I
I
Now,
post
covered
we're
still
trying
to
catch
up
or
booked
out,
probably
until
mid
to
late
summer,
and
the
issue
as
it
plays
out
is
that
the
each
class
that
we
post
to
be
scheduled
register,
their
registration
occurs
pretty
quickly
and
as
soon
as
we
post
it
as
available
the
various
folks
across
the
state
who
qualify
as
a
police
officer
for
krs
fill
those
seats.
Pretty
quick,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
will
train
30
recruits
in
each
class
and
whoever
sitting
in
that
seat
has
qualified
for
krs.
B
Well,
thank
you.
I
toured
your
facility
a
couple
couple
years
ago
and
you've
got
a
great
facility
and
you'll
do
a
great
job.
Now,
just
more
of
a
curiosity
question.
Thank
you,
sir.
Yes,
sir.
Thank
you
representative
bentley.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
have
a
question.
How
many
constables
now
have
went
through
the
pop
training.
A
L
There
was
a
lot
to
unpack
there.
Mr
chairman,
I
I'll
just
say
that
the
vast
majority
of
of
the
things
that
actually,
I
think
everything
that
was
said
about
what
constables
do
for
the
county
attorney
and
and
that
my
our
fellow
state
reps
mentioned-
that's
not
being
taken
away
in
this
bill.
L
L
Again,
we
are
focused
on
the
on
the
police
officer
powers
and
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
you
know
somewhere
in
the
in
the
past.
The
legislature
has
determined
that
it.
The
priority,
should
be
your
city,
police
departments
getting
their
people
in
who
are
going
to
make
a
career
of
this.
Your
county
police
departments,
your
sheriff's
deputies
and
you
know
to
make
some
people
feel
more
comfortable
with
with
this.
You
know
we've
added
one
constable
per
class
who
qualifies
and
if
we
have
time
which
we
probably
don't.
L
T
I
want
to
add
that
that
the
sheriff's
association,
the
fraternal
order
of
police
and
the
police
chief's
association
support
this
bill
as
well
as
commissioner
jillick
stated
about
the
classes
filling
up.
That's
because
our
police
departments,
when
we
make
a
hire
they
have
to
get,
we
have
to
hire
them
and
then
put
in
the
request
for
the
seat
at
doc.
T
And
so
I
hope
that,
as
we
move
forward
that
we,
this
isn't
a
goal
to
abolish
the
the
seat.
They
still
have
many
other
duties,
as
representative
koenig
indicated
as
well
as
many
others
that
were
created
in
1850,
but
that,
as
we
move
forward
as
a
state
that
those
who
are
able
to
infringe
upon
your
personal
rights
are
trained.
And
that
is
something
that
I
hope
is
a
goal
of
of
all
of
ours.
R
I
would
just
echo
the
comment.
I
would
just
echo
the
comments
of
chairman
koenig
they're
out
of
all
of
the
duties
and
services
and
powers
that
are
enumerated
in
krs.
Those
are
all
still
remaining.
The
only
thing
is
the
peace
officer
powers
that
training
needs
to
be
consistent.
R
B
E
D
I
do
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I'm
really
foggy
on
the
relationship
of
sheriffs
to
constables.
If
a
sheriff
needed
backup
could
he
deputize
a
constable
who
doesn't
have
law
enforcement
hasn't
been
through
the
training.
R
E
B
P
P
I'd
like
to
thank
the
sponsor
he
and
I
spent
a
long
time
talking
about
this-
he's
probably
come
off
it
a
whole
lot
further
than
he
would
like
to.
P
C
Yes
may
explain:
my
vote
quickly
go
right
ahead.
You
know,
I've
had
we've
had
problems
with
the
constables
in
jefferson
county,
but
you
know
the
thing
that
always
bothers
me
here
in
frankfurt
is
this
is
that
you
need
to
reach
out
and
touch
people.
C
I
know
that
you
can
talk
to
individuals
and
and
come
up
with
the
solutions
you
have,
but
when
we
got
tools-
and
we
have
individuals
that
are
here
that
you
know
state
police,
for
example,
gentlemen,
back
there
representative
fugates,
you
know
just
a
wealth
of
knowledge
at
your
hand,
and
so,
if
training's,
a
big
issue,
believe
me,
I
support
law
enforcement,
I'm
a
law
enforcement
guy.
C
C
You
know
to
what
we're
trying
to
do,
but
I
do
believe
training,
training
and
training,
but
with
that
being
said,
I
think
there
should
have
been
more
discussion
to
my
personal
opinion
on
this.
We
could
have
come
to
a
better
compromise.
I
vote
no.
R
I'd
like
to
echo
some
of
the
comments
here
today
and
I
greatly
appreciate
all
the
changes
that
have
been
made
during
this
process,
because
you
know
people
that
have
signed
up
to
perform
a
role
they
shouldn't
have
the
rug
pulled
out
from
under
them,
and
so
I'm
very
grateful
for
the
grandfathering
aspect
also
to
commissioner
gellick's
point
that
is
located
in
my
district
in
madison
county
and
their
training
is
fantastic,
and
so
I
commend
them
on.
R
You
know,
being
able
to
have
this
seat
available
for
the
training,
and
you
know
maybe
to
to
their
point.
If
the
need
for
training
the
number
of
individuals
that
come
forward
for
training,
you
know,
I
think
we
have
to
start
somewhere,
and
so,
if
there
is
a
need
there,
I
would
like
to
see
additional
seats
added,
as
that
would
become
a
need.
Thank
you
and
I
vote
in
favor
of
the
measure.
B
My
yes
vote
go
ahead.
I
just
want
to
start
off
again.
I
I
too
talk
to
the
constables
in
my
my
district,
my
county,
and
I
appreciate
everything
they
do,
but
ultimately
this
comes
down
to
a
safety
issue
for
me,
we're
putting
by
elections,
individuals
at
risk,
but
not
giving
them
the
training
they
need.
B
So
for
that
reason,
I'm
voting
yes
on
this
and
I
would
also
just
say
I
think
this
points
to
a
larger
issue,
which
is
the
limited
amount
of
training
facilities
and
training.
We
have
available
for
our
law
enforcers
and
I
would
encourage
anyone,
that's
involved
with
it
representative.
Maybe
we
can
talk
about
this.