►
Description
No description was provided for this meeting.
If this is YOUR meeting, an easy way to fix this is to add a description to your video, wherever mtngs.io found it (probably YouTube).
A
A
I
might
have
to
switch
over
to
my
vice
chair
to
finish
up
the
meetings,
but
we
want
to
welcome
everyone
for
meeting
number
four
for
veterans,
military
affairs
and
we've
had
a
lot
of
bills
come
through
our
committee
this
year,
and
I
do
want
to
let
everyone
know
while
they're.
Here
we
will
be
having
a
special
called
meeting
tomorrow
at
10
o'clock
tomorrow
at
10
o'clock.
A
Okay
same
place
different
time
tomorrow,
at
10
o'clock,
we
will
be
having
a
special
called
meeting.
We're
gonna
try
to
get
through
some
senate
bills
tomorrow,
all
right.
So
at
this
time
I'll
have
madame
secretary,
please
call
roll
and,
if
you're
out
there
in
cyber
world
or
from
your
office,
let
us
know
if
you're
in
your
district
or,
if
you're,
actually
in
your
office,.
C
D
D
E
A
C
A
Here
all
right,
it
sounds
like
we
do
definitely
have
a
quorum
now
and
duly
constituted
to
do
business
of
the
state.
So
what
we're
gonna
do
right
now,
I'm
gonna
ask
representative
baker
to
come
up
and
stand
at
the
middle
because
we're
going
to
all
stand,
real
quick,
do
the
pledge
of
allegiance
and
then,
if
you
want
to
remain
standing,
he's
going
to
lead
us
in.
A
F
A
And
representative
baker,
if
you
want
just
have
that
middle
seat,
you
got
we'll
just
considered
danny
and
ed
your
bodyguards
all
right.
We
do
have
a
very
honorable,
distinguished
veteran
today
and
I'm
going
to
turn
the
floor
over
to
representative
baker
to
just
introduce
him
and
part
of
his
family.
Unfortunately,
he
wasn't
able
to
join
us
in
person.
He
had
every
intention
to
be,
but
last
minute
things
happened.
So
we'll
turn
the
floor
over
to
you.
C
Well,
thank
you
so
much,
mr
chairman
and,
ladies
and
gentlemen
of
the
committee.
It's
a
great
pleasure
to
be
here
with
you
today,
and
I
appreciate
you
giving
us
this
opportunity
to
honor
mr
dan
hale,
mr
hale.
As
many
of
you
know,
you've
read
his
bio
that
is
included
in
your
folder.
He
will
celebrate
his
101st
birthday
at
later
in
the
month
of
march.
On
march
23rd,
I
think
he
celebrated
his
78th
wedding
anniversary
last
week.
He
served
in
world
war
ii.
C
What
came
in
the
second
wave
at
normandy
fought
in
the
battle
of
the
bulge,
has
many
interesting
stories,
a
spectacular
man
and
I'm
greatly
honored
that
you're
that
you
allowed
him
to
come
today
that
you're
recognizing
him
he
is
visiting
with
us
remotely
due
to
some
health
issues.
This
morning
I
think
he's
having
some
trouble
with
his
video,
but
we
do
have
him
by
audio.
C
D
C
A
D
D
D
D
D
A
It's
it's
definitely
an
honor
to
have
you
out
out
there
on
and-
and
we
wish
we
could
have
met
you
in
person.
But
this
is
the
next
best
thing
and
I
believe,
representative
massey
you've
worked
been
working
on
a
bill
to
with
our
vets.
Later
on.
I
don't
know
where
that's
coming
for
the
state
of
kentucky,
but
we're
going
to
keep
hoping
that
gets
through
one
day
and
and
we
can
honor
gentlemen
like
dan
here
turn
it
do.
You
have
any
anything
else
to
add.
A
A
One
of
them
is
a
challenge
coin
and
I
believe
he
has
a
citation
honoring
your
service
and
everything,
but
we
we
really
thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
we
hope
hope
you
get
to
feeling
a
little
bit
better
and
you
can
get
out
and
and
keep
that
walking
and
jogging
that
you've
been
doing
daily.
So
we
appreciate
you
being
here,
sir.
D
A
Me
we
could
hear
you.
Thank
you,
sir
thank
you
representative
for
for
bringing
him
to
us
and
and
what
what
an
honor
anytime,
we
have
world
war
ii,
vets,
it's
and
we
it
is
a
distinct
honor
and
between
the
battle
of
normandy
and
the
battle
of
the
bulge
and
the
the
hedgerows.
Can
you
imagine
hiding
behind
piles
of
hay
that
wouldn't
be
the
protection
I'd
want,
but
these
are.
These
are
men
and
women
that
are
enabling
us
to
be
here.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
him.
C
A
Thank
you.
Let
him
know
he
had
a
standing
ovation
much
all
right.
We
will
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
our
agenda.
We
have
house
bill
251
and
our
presenters
are
at
the
table
as
we
speak.
So
please
introduce
yourself,
even
though
we
all
know
you,
and
if
you
have
any
speakers
out
there
please
enter,
have
them
introduce
themselves.
H
Mr
chair
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
ed
massey,
a
representative
from
the
66th
district
in
boone
county
and
I'm
honored
to
be
here
and
be
on
this
bill
as
a
sponsor.
But
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
my
colleague,
representative
bentley
for
the
introduction.
It's
a
very
special
guest
here
today
and
I'm
going
to
let
him
and
work
on
the
bill
and
then
we'll
do
it
together.
So
representative,
bentley.
E
I'm
representing
danny
our
bentley
district,
98
par
all
green
and
part
of
boyd,
testifying.
Today
we
have
a
special
person:
aaron
remy
she's,
a
charter
member
of
the
military
spouse
id
network.
She
is
a
marine
corps
spouse
and
had
passed
the
kentucky
bar
as
an
attorney
in
the
state
of
kentucky
in
2008.
H
So
I
have
worked
diligently
with
representative
bentley
and
with
his
daughter
erin.
She
has
been
a
delight
to
work
with.
She
is
very
passionate
about
the
not
only
the
bill
here,
but
the
work
she's
been
doing
with
the
kentucky
bar
association
and
some
other
groups
and
and
to
really
just
explain
it
quickly,
and
I
appreciate
the
motion,
but
if,
if
somebody's
deployed
and
their
spouse
has
to
go
with
them,
if
they
want
to
stay
with
their
spouse,
sometimes
somebody
that's
licensed
in
a
state.
H
You
know
they
may
have
to
come
here
that
the
person
is
deployed
to
kentucky
to
fort
knox
or
fort
campbell,
and
the
spouse
has
to
come
here.
This
bill
basically
would
waive
some
of
those
cost
and
administrative
fees,
occupational
fees
that
go
with
their
professional
licensure,
because
they
didn't
necessarily
choose
that
move.
It
was
chosen
for
them
by
the
government
and
so
they're
just
following
their
spouse,
so
in
the
interest
of
protecting
families
and
protecting
the
occupation
and
the
hard
work
of
the
men
and
women
that
serve
our
country.
H
E
So
you
know
it's
a
teamwork
thing,
and
so
this
bill
will
support
these
professional
spouses
and
it'll
make
our
country
stronger,
and
not
only
that
if
they
come
to
kentucky,
we
hope
they
stay
here
as
professional
spouses.
We
want
to
be
the
most
friendly
military
state
in
the
union,
and
this
is
the
first
on
this.
So
I
would
like
to
aaron
and
to
make
a
couple
of
comments.
E
I
Raymie
and
I
are
both
from
green
up
county
kentucky,
so
I
wanted
to
add
that
in
there
for
me,
my
journey
begins
in
kentucky
passing
the
kentucky
bar
and
then
we've
been
around
the
globe,
actually
we're
packing
up
today
to
go
back
to
japan.
For
the
third
time.
Spouses
are
very
transient
community
and
we
also
deal
with
unemployment,
underemployment,
licensing
issues.
I
Constantly
spouses
move
every
two
to
three
years,
and
this
is
just
going
to
help
the
family
do
that,
and
also
to
economically
bring
those
spouses
and
active
duty
back
to
kentucky
as
a
military,
family.
State
and
kentucky
is
the
first
today
to
have
this
type
of
house
bill
hoping
it
goes
to
the
floor,
but
we
are
one
of
the
first
kentucky
is
my
home
state,
and
I
hope
this
movement
actually
continues
to
other
states
to
help
military
families,
because
military
spouses
and
active
duty
are
one
unit
moving
constantly.
I
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
testimony
and
and
thank
you
for
your
service,
my
son-in-law
and
my
daughter
just
joined
the
army,
so
she's
moved
five
times
in
four
years.
So
we
appreciate
that
and-
and
many
of
everyone
in
here
has
experienced
some
of
those
I'm
sure
representative
stevenson's
moved
a
time
or
two.
So
all
righty.
We
do
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
Do
we
have
any
questions
or
comments
or
anything.
J
I
couldn't
do
what
I
did
without
my
husband
and
the
more
we
can
beat
that
drum
that
it
takes
the
whole
family
because
of
the
sacrifices
that
when
I
was
at
work,
my
husband
was
getting
the
electricity
turned
on,
so
so
on
behalf
of
the
people
who
serve
in
the
uniform
to
the
families.
Thank
you
for
doing
this.
Thank
you.
K
C
E
E
C
D
E
C
A
Well,
it
looked
like
it
passed,
pretty
unanimous
kind
of
thought
that
one
would
I'd,
recommend
that
y'all
push
leadership
to
try
to
get
this
hurt
on
the
floor
so
and
I
will
lobby
for
it
too.
So,
thank
you
all
for
being
here,
gentlemen
and
ma'am.
We
appreciate
you
being
out
there
and-
and
I
can
see
if
we'll
see
if
danny
can
present
it
on
the
floor
with
that
much
emotion
too.
A
A
M
And
mr
chairman,
I'm
going
to
have
some
members
of
law
enforcement
to
come
up
as
a
separate
group
to
speak,
and
I'm
going
to
dispense
with
my
opening
statements
to
this
bill
because
I
know
we're
in
a
in
a
bind
for
a
time.
But
basically
I
just
want
to
stress
that
this
bill
builds
on
a
piece
of
legislation
that
my
colleague
to
the
right
senator
representative
blanton
passed.
I
think
two
years
ago
and
related
to
police
decertification,
and
I
also
want
to
stress
that
it
is
law
enforcement
that
is
behind
this
bill.
M
It
defines
what
an
investigation
investigative
agency
is
and
it
could
be
the
employing
agency
or
it
could
be
another
agency
conducting
an
investigation
in
the
in
this
section.
It
also
amends
the
definition
of
professional,
malfeasance,
professional
non-feasants
to
add
specific
actions
that
fall
under
these
two
categories,
and
you
all
can
read
those
for
yourself
and
it
states
that
certification
shall
be
automatically
revoked
for
pleas
of
guilty
conviction
or
alfred
plea
to
any
state
or
federal
felony,
any
criminal
offense
in
another
state.
M
That
would
be
a
felony
or
willful
falsification
of
information
to
obtain
or
maintain
certification.
Also,
in
this
section,
it
establishes
an
appeals
process
for
the
decertification
process.
That's
in
place
where
an
officer
may
appeal
at
any
time
with
the
kentucky
law
enforcement
council
and
the
council
may
also
impose
reasonable
conditions
upon
re-certification
warranted
under
the
facts
they
may
subpoena
records
necessary
to
establish
calls
for
reinstatement
has
in
fact
been
remedied
and
they
may
overturn
a
decision
leading
to
decertification
by
an
appellate
court
or
any
type
of
invalidation
of
a
conviction
shall
remedy
decertification.
M
The
case
goes
to
klec,
and
this
is
a
problem
that
we
have
had
across
the
state
and
across
this
country.
For
many
many
years,
investigation
starts
on
an
officer
and
to
avoid
any
sanctions.
They
just
resign,
and
then
you
find
out
a
week
later
that
they're
in
another
agency,
either
in
this
state
or
another
state,
and
so
we
are
setting
a
standard
that
this
will
no
longer
happen.
Section
two
of
the
bill
is
basically
conforming
language.
M
However,
that
conditional
offer
stands
until
that
information
is
received.
So
if
it
goes
beyond
the
14-day
period,
the
person
cannot
start
work.
The
recruits
cannot
start
work
until
that
information
is
received
and
they
cannot
accept
an
offer
of
employment
until
that
point,
it
also
requires
that
the
applicant
sign
a
waiver
and
release
of
liability
if
a
conditional
offer
is
made
and
it
authorizes
to
hire
an
agency
to
request
information
from
all
prior
agencies,
including
out-of-state
agencies.
M
The
bill
establishes
immunity
from
civil
liability
for
disclosing
information
and
for
the
consequences
of
the
disclosure
of
information.
Unless
this
information
disclosed
was
knowingly
false
or
deliberately,
misleading
was
rendered
with
malicious
purpose
or
was
a
violation
of
the
civil
rights
of
the
former
employee
and
then
finally,
the
bill
codifies
language
to
allow
the
kentucky
law
enforcement
council
to
share
information
that
they
have
in
their
possession
related
to
decertification
to
out-of-state
agencies,
and
with
that
being
said,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
my
colleague
for
comments.
K
K
A
few
bad
apples
spoils
the
whole
barrel,
so
we're
looking
at
ways
that
we
can
make
it
easier
to
get
rid
of
these
bad
actors
up,
including
for
those
being
dishonest,
there's
no
place
for
them
in
this
profession,
because
you're
put
on
a
witness,
stand
to
swear
to
tell
the
truth,
and
you
ought
to
be
able
to
do
that.
So
this
is
us
coming
forward
saying
we
are
constantly
evolving.
K
A
E
Of
all,
thank
you
senator
carroll
and
representative
blanton,
and
I
I
just
think
that
this
is
a
great
bill.
I
do
have
a
question
related
to
the
comments
that
were
made
about
out-of-state
requests
for
information,
and
that
made
me
think
about
the
bill.
We
recently
passed
in
the
house
that
disallowed
out-of-state
actors
from
getting
open
records
requests
so
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
creating
any
problems
there.
There's
still,
you
know
this
is
law.
If
we
pass
it
and
it
gets
signed,
it
will
be
almost
an
exception.
E
N
Representative
wheatley
this
wouldn't
this
would
not
conflict
with
house
bill.
312
provisions
which
amends
chapter
61
open
records.
This
will
be
a
new
section
in
chapter
15.
So
so
these
response
requests
would
be
governed
separately
other
than
the
open
record,
so
it
would
create
a
different
statutory
right.
So
there's
no
conflict
between
the
two
bills.
M
M
N
I'm
colonel
pat
morgan
with
the
kenton
county
sheriff's
office.
I've
been
with
the
sheriff's
office
through
39
years,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
kentucky
sheriff's
association
for
jerry
wagner,
who
could
not
make
it
today.
The
kentucky
sheriff's
association
had
a
board
meeting
yesterday
wholeheartedly
support
this
bill
spoke
on
this
bill
in
length.
We
have
a
couple
sheriffs
who
sit
on
the
klec
board.
N
One
of
them
is
on
the
pops
committee,
and
this
movement
has
is
taking
place
at
the
pops
committee
are
seeing
a
lot
more
officers
come
forward
that
our
agencies
are
bringing
forward
for
du
certification
where
the
sheriff
spoke
yesterday,
one
of
the
sheriff
spoke
in
the
meeting
said
they
used
to
see
maybe
one
to
five
a
year,
they're
seeing
10
to
12
and
a
quarter
now.
So
this
bill
is
moving
forward.
This
is
helping
the
cause
to
get
rid
of
some
of
the
bad
actors
that
we
have.
N
L
Good
morning,
it's
great
to
see
many
of
you
again,
I'm
joe
monroe,
I'm
the
chief
of
police
at
the
university
of
kentucky,
as
well
as
the
president
of
the
kentucky
association
of
chiefs
of
police
and
mr
chairman.
If
I
could
just
have
a
couple
minutes
for
some
comments,
you
can
just
go
ahead.
Thank
you,
sir
again,
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
be
here
this
morning.
I
want
to
start
where
I
usually
leave
off
when
I'm
talking
to
different
groups,
it's
about
the
four
pillars
and
those
are
trust:
transparency,
accountability
and
legitimacy.
L
These
pillars
are
what
I
want
to
talk
about
real
briefly
in
alignment
with
those
pillars.
I'd
submit
a
few
things
for
you
to
consider.
Can
we,
as
police
departments
in
this
state
that
serve
our
communities,
do
better?
Yes,
how
do
we
do
that?
Do
we
need
police
reform?
Yes,
and
how
do
we
do
that
with
this
bill
by
getting
rid
of
these
bad
apples
and
getting
him
off
our
police
departments?
L
As
representative
blanton
said,
one
bad
officer
can
taint
a
whole
organization
as
well
as
a
state.
You
look
at
the
what
happened
last
summer
and
how
it
had
an
impact
on
police
officers
around
the
country.
It
caused
us
to
have
deficiencies
in
recruiting,
see,
increase
in
retirements
all
because
one
bad
person
in
an
agency
led
to
this.
So
we
have
to
get
rid
of
these
people.
L
L
A
F
A
F
O
M
The
bill
is
set
up
where
it
is
the
agency
itself
for
any
formal
action
that
the
agency
would
take
as
far
as
termination,
and
it's
the
the
determination
of
professional,
malfeasance
or
non-feasants
would
be
determined
by
that
agency.
There
is
nothing
that
addresses
the
review
panels
whatsoever.
It
would
be
the
agency's
actions
towards
the
officer
or
as
a
result
of
a
conviction
in
the
court
system.
M
B
E
C
C
C
F
D
C
C
C
C
C
C
J
J
N
A
A
I
should
say
chairman
alrighty
at
this
time
I
had
since
it's
about
almost
10
after
I'm,
going
to
juggle
things
around
one
more
time.
Well,
no,
it's
kind
of
back
on
track!
Well,
no,
it
isn't
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
step
down
to
the
table
and
present
hcr
81
with
my
cyber
guest
out
there
and
turn
the
rest
of
the
meeting,
and
I'm
probably
going
to
have
to
dip
out
after
that.
So
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
vice
chair
mccool.
To
finish
up
the
meeting.
A
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
As
you
can
see,
we
have
members
dipping
out.
They're
gonna,
go
record
votes
and
probably
come
back
in
record
some
here,
so
we
appreciate
them
doing
12
o'clock's
a
busy
time,
I'm
state
representative
walker,
thomas
in
case
I'm
represent
district
8
and
my
chamber
of
commerce
president
who
is
on
the
phone
or
on
the
line
here,
has
kind
of
called
me
just
the
other
day,
and
this
is
something
that,
as
a
state,
we
really
need
to
get
moving.
G
G
This
is
resolution
81
to
support
that,
and
we
appreciate
your
time
just
a
quick
summary
of
future
vertical
lift
is
a
new
family
of
aircraft
that
will
help
meet
and
merging
threats.
The
aircraft
will
use
technology
and
materials
as
well
as
designs
that
are
faster,
have
further
range,
better
payload,
more
reliable,
easier
to
maintain
and
operate
and
have
lower
operating
cost
and
reducing
logistical
footprints.
G
This
will
help
to
ensure
this
success
on
the
modern
battlefield.
Fbl
will
also
expand
the
u.s
army
national
guard's
mission
as
an
operational
strategic
reserve.
It
will
provide
opportunities
for
growth
and
innovation
in
the
u.s
industrial
base.
The
new
design
and
manufacturing
sustainment
methods
are
brought
to
bear
to
ensure
the
success
of
the
programs.
A
recent
study
by
ndp
analytics
found
that
fel's
expenditures
could
have
an
impact
of
about
150
billion
and
approximately
22
000
jobs
or
more
from
2028
to
2050
across
the
u.s
industrial
base.
G
So,
as
we
look
myself,
I
also
serve
on
the
campbell
strong
defense
alliance
work
well
with
the
knox
defense
alliance
development
alliance,
and
we
we.
We
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
kentucky,
as
the
army
does,
and
modernize
and
dod
modernizes,
aviation
and
all
of
its
assets,
and
so
in
order
to
really
be
competitive
and
ensure
we
can
take
advantage
of
those
opportunities.
We
ask
that
you
please
pass
this
resolution
in
support
of
the
future
vertical
lift.
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
E
C
J
K
C
E
B
C
P
P
We're
going
to
discuss
house
bill
46
with
the
committee
sub,
but
there's
there's
a
story
to
be
told,
and
it's
not
my
story
and
I've
asked
them
to
be
here
to
share
with
you
their
experience.
And
then
I
will
talk
about
the
details
of
house
bill,
46.,
carrie
and
brian.
If
you
don't
mind
to
introduce
yourself
and
share
your
story.
P
Q
Good
morning
we
are
the
proud
parents
of
four
beautiful
children,
devin
20
parker
10,
silas,
5
and
ava,
who
would
have
been
turning
4
this
coming
saturday,
our
beautiful
ava
grace
passed
away
on
september
8
2019
at
vanderbilt
children's
hospital
due
to
complications
related
to
drowning
in
our
neighbor's
aboveground
pool
where
there
had
been
no
safety
precautions
taken
as
many
parents.
Do
we
place
a
high
importance
on
water
safety?
We
were
always
with
our
children
when
they
swam.
We
believe
that,
through
conversation,
the
use
of
floaties
and
puddle
jumpers,
they
understood
those
dangers
as
well.
Q
Q
Q
She
told
her
older
brother
as
he
was
with
her.
He
tried
to
tell
her
no,
but
she
did
not
listen.
He
tried
to
save
her,
but
he
was
too
little
himself
to
make
an
impact.
So
he
came
to
get
us
when
my
husband
found
our
lifeless
child.
He
administered
cpr.
As
I
went
for
help
he
was
able
to
establish
a
heartbeat
which
kept
her
little
body
going
until
help
arrived,
but
as
we
would
later
find
out,
it
was
too
late.
Q
Q
We
chose
to
donate
ava's
kidneys
so
that
a
part
of
her
would
continue
to
live
on,
but
that
is
not
enough.
There
is
another
way
for
her
memory
to
live
on
with
hb
46
ava's
law
in
this
past
year.
Coming
to
terms
with
the
grief
of
losing
a
child
in
such
a
horrible
manner
has
led
me
to
do
some
research
and
my
findings
were
incredibly
disturbing.
Q
Q
My
hope
is
that
by
sharing
our
story
will
prevent
other
families
from
walking
in
our
shoes.
If
we
can
save
one
child's
life
from
this
terrible
faith,
ava's
death
will
not
have
been
in
vain.
We
ask
that
you
please
support
bill,
h,
46,
ava's
law
and
please
help
all
kids
save
for
this
swimming
season
kentucky.
P
Thank
you
guys
house
bill
46,
and
this
is
one
that
shocked
me
myself
and
I
used
on
the
pool,
store
and
installed
swimming
pools,
but
there
are
out
of
50
states.
30
states
have
residential
pool
laws
in
statutes.
Kentucky
is
only
one
of
20..
Three
of
our
surrounding
states
have
statutes
in
place
to
protect
against
this.
P
77
percent,
nearly
80
percent
of
those
children
were
under
the
age
of
five
years
old
and
and
I'm
a
realist
and
I've
talked
to
the
jenkins
about
this.
You
know:
where
do
we
draw
the
line
as
legislators
as
far
as
we're?
Were
they
negligent
and
and
we've
talked
about
this,
so
they
understand
it
and
I
can
assure
you
they
were
not.
I
talked
to
my
local
sheriff
and
the
local
county
attorney
and
they
assured
me
that
this
couple
could
suffer
no
more
punishment
than
what
they're
going
through
right
now
and
as
a
legislator.
P
I
looked
at
it
and
you
know:
where
does
that?
Do
I
have
the
right
to
require
someone
to
put
a
restriction
on
their
swimming
pool
or
not,
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
look
at
it
that
my
responsibility,
I
can't
control
and
we
as
legislators
can't
control
if
children
get
good
or
bad
parents,
we
we
can't
control
a
lot
of
things,
but
one
thing
we
can
control
is
the
safety
of
these
children
under
five
years
old
and
put
reasonable
restrictions
and
and
statutes
in
place
to
protect
these
children.
P
The
statutes
we've
got
in
place
in
house
bill
46
are,
I
can
assure
you
very
minimal
compared
to
other
states,
but
I
try
to
do.
I
had
a
goal
of
two
things
from
putting
these
together
and
talking
to
experts
was:
how
can
we
protect
our
children
best?
We
can
without
calling
an
undo,
causing
an
undue
burden
on
our
homeowners
and
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
There
are
some
ordinances.
P
Now,
please
understand
the
neighbors
were
not
acting
against
the
law.
That
was,
you
know,
since
it's
not
a
law,
it's
only
a
suggestion
from
the
manufacturer,
but
if
this
law
would
have
been
in
place
in
this
law,
it
says
your
your
steps
have
to
either
be
removable
or
they
have
to
be
locked
and
they
come
with
locks
on
them.
There
have
been
no
extra
costs,
no
extra
burden,
except
just
to
require
them
to
remove
that
piece.
Part
of
the
ladder
those
rungs
on
that
ladder
so
that
two-year-old
could
not
have
climbed
up.
P
You
know,
that's
a
simple
fix,
and
it's
a
very
you
know.
Now
in
in
residential
in-ground
pools,
we
we
are
requiring
a
barrier,
a
48-inch
barrier
with
a
self-closing
gate.
The
house
or
detached
garage
clothes
can
count
as
that
barrier.
So
it's
a
minimum
of
fencing
required,
but
it
will
be
a
cost.
We
have
two
exemptions
in
here.
P
If
there
is
a
property
that
has
over
10
acres,
because
I
don't
want
to
go
down
the
road
where
a
farmer
has
to
put
a
fence
around
his
farm
pond
or
something
we
put
10
acres
and
then
those
pools
in
existence
that
have
asc
certified
safety
covers
we
would.
We
would
exempt
them
to
keep
from
being
an
extra
burden
on
these
homeowners,
but
it's
it's
something.
I
feel
that
that
we
should
look
out
for
the
well-being.
P
P
Sorry
for
your
loss-
and
you
know
I've
come
to
know
you
guys.
I
love
you
guys
and
your
children,
and
one
thing
I
do
want
to
say
that
carries
me.
Gracious.
The
older
brother
that
was
with
the
two-year-old
was
15
months
older,
I
think,
or
so
is
that
right
yeah
it
wasn't
like
it
was
a
10
or
12
or
15
year
old.
This
was
a
another
young
child
and
they
were
just
the
sad
part
about
it.
P
E
F
F
I
guess
after
each
use
can
you
ex
expound
on
that
at
all
or
sure,
and
let
me
tell
you
where
I'm
going
in
my
neighborhood,
I
have
a
suburban
residential
neighborhoods
in
my
district
that
I
represent.
So
pools
are
a
big
issue.
We
also
have
ordinances
in
the
city
of
louisville
louisville
metro.
I
don't
know
exactly
how
they
are
and
how
they're
written
I'll
have
to
check
on
that.
F
P
Absolutely
understand
and
you
as
a
legislator
know
there's
no
perfect
legislation,
but
we
do
our
best.
I
I
talked
to
lrc.
We
did
a
lot
of
research,
the
the
the
number
is
24
inches
in
the
later
on.
In
the
section
it
talks
about
anything,
less
than
24
inches
is
considered
a
portable,
and
you
know
if
our
goal
is
first
off.
You
know
I
I
don't
think
a
couple
of
inches
for
drinking
water
for
for
animals
is,
is
going
to
be
a
drowning
factor,
but
you
know
when
you
get
up
to
10
12
14.
P
The
concern
was
you
leave
that
out
there
and
and
it's
a
dual
safety-
it's
not
mentioned
in
here,
but
you
mentioned
it
yourself,
mosquitoes
and
and
health
purposes
for
that
water
to
stagnate
and
everything
we
have
that
problem
with
old
tires
that
collect
water.
We
don't
notice
and
everything
so
there's
a
health
issue
there,
but
you
know
I.
I
really
can't
answer
that
question
through
this
statute.
P
You
know
and
that
that
that's
a
good
question,
but
our
thing
is:
if
I
think,
if
it's
got
more
than
a
couple
inches,
it
needs
to
be
empty,
but
you
did
say
something
if
it's
in
a
fenced
yard,
most
fences
if
you've
got
a
fence
around
a
yard.
Most
of
them
are:
we've
made
these
fence
guidelines
very
minimal.
P
If
you
go
to
commercial
swimming
pools,
they're
a
lot
greater
54
inches
a
54-inch
latch,
I
mean
a
number
of
different
things,
but
if
it's
already
in
a
fence
it
won't
be
a
problem.
You
know
where
they've
got
their
pets.
If,
if
a
pet
can't
get
out,
I
don't
think
a
child
can
get
in.
So
I
think
that
would
have
part
to
do
to
say
no,
but
I
know
I
haven't
answered
your
question,
but
I'm
oh.
F
I
understand
where
you're
coming
and
I
do
know
in
louisville
metro.
We
have
ordinances
that
talk
about
stagnant
water
as
well
so,
and
I
really
need
to
look
at
that
too,
and
see
exactly
how
that's
it's
written.
If
I
can
think
of
a
word
or
two
we
can
put
in
there
to
strengthen
this
legislation,
bring.
P
F
F
F
P
We've
got
a
as
far
as
a
notification
know:
they're
just
like
many
laws.
We
pass,
we
don't
send
out
notices
on,
but
they
will
have
120
days
after
the
effective
date
of
that
to
get
it
in
in
line
and
and
another
thing
that
may
may
make
the
committee
more
understanding
everything.
There
was
the
virginia
ground
banker
act
that
was
put
in
place
by
the
federal
government.
P
Many
of
these
pools,
there's
there's
other
safety
factors
we've
looked
at
and
that
is
the
main
drains
and
the
covers
for
those
main
drains
and
I've
talked
to
all
the
pool
menu,
not
all
the
pool
manufacturers,
but
many
of
them
and
the
there's
there's
an
anti-disbursement
cover
adapter.
They
can
go
on
these
main
drains
and
any
even
the
old
main
drains
when
you
go
back
to
get
a
replacement
when
they're
busted
or
they
they
get
brittle
and
break
and
everything
you
can't
buy
the
old
cover
to
go
back
on
it.
P
P
One
of
the
things
that
we
do
have
in
here
is
the
to
to
retrofit
those
strains
so
that
a
young
child
doesn't
get
sucked
to
the
bottom
and
held
down,
and
this
disperses
that
and
all
the
all
the
new
replacements
and
everything
are
already
required
to
meet
that
standard.
That's
a
a
federal
standard,
so.
F
F
In
in
louisville
area,
the
enforcement
agency
is
code
enforcement
and
generally,
what
happens
is
with
just
about
any
enforcement
code
that
violations
they
will
come
out
and
look
at
a
particular
property.
They
often
show
up
because
someone
in
the
neighborhood
has
calls
and
files
a
complaint
and
then
they
come
out
and
when
they
identify
violations,
there's
usually
a
process
where
they
will
cite
you
and
then
they
will
give
you
a
time
period
to
address
the
problem.
F
They'll
tell
you
exactly
what
the
problem
is,
and
they
give
you
a
specific
time
window
to
fix
that
problem,
because
a
lot
of
times
what
happens
is
we
have
all
kinds
of
ordinances
and
laws,
and
the
average
person
in
a
residential
area
cannot
keep
up
with
them.
So
they
do
that
and
then
they
come
back
on
a
secondary
visit,
and
if
those
violations
have
not
been
corrected,
then
they
get
fined.
F
P
I
don't
see
anything
in
this
law
that
would
prevent
that
happening.
That
would
be
basically
go
to
code
enforcement
and
what's
their
standard
procedure,
and
they
would
follow
that
just
like
any
other
item
they
found
out
of
that
was
not
encode,
then
they
would
follow
their
standard
procedure
and-
and
I
will
say
this-
a
lot
of
the
requirements
that
that
are
in
local
ordinances,
whether
it
be
city
or
county
or
even
insurance
requirements,
are
much
stringent
more
stringent
than
this.
You
know,
because
we
we
did
we
we.
P
We
are
trying
to
be
as
reasonable
as
we
can
about
this
law
without
being
infringing
on
a
person's
rights
and
their
freedoms
and
everything.
So
we
we
did
that
so
that
would
fall
to
the
local
ordinance.
You
know
local
governing
authority
to
their
decision
as
far
as
how
they
handle
all
any
new
laws
going
into
effect.
O
I'm
just
of
course,
I'm
a
mother
of
three.
My
youngest
is
is
four
years
old,
so
I
can't
even
imagine
the
grief
that
you're
going
through,
but
I
do
have
a
couple
questions
because,
as
we're
talking
about
these
situations
of
you
know
what
type
of
situations
my
four-year-old
may
be
able
to
get
into
you
know
are
popping
into
my
head,
but
for
instance,
with
my
with
my
parents
home,
I
notice
here
that
that-
and
I
think
I
am-
I
think
this
is
the
committee
sub.
Was
it
provided.
C
C
O
F
P
We're
also
trying
to
to
keep
the
most
reasonable
requests
out.
You
know
make
the
most
reasonable
requests
so
that
we
can
get
a
law
in
place
because
the
ultimate
problem
problem
is,
we
don't
have
anything
that
forces
this
and
there's
many
instances
out
there
that
it
could
very
easily
be
followed
if
we
just
told
them
they
had
to
follow
it.
P
P
I
assumed
that
was
talking
about
the
home.
Well,
it
could
be
the
like
if
you've
got
a
detached
garage
that
sits
behind
the
pool,
and
you
just
want
to
run
the
fence
from
the
house
to
that
now
you
do
there.
There
is
some
language
in
here
that
that
you
know
where,
if
you're
on
a
big
farm-
and
it's
got
a
fence
all
the
way
around
it,
no
it's
got
to
be
around
the
pool
area.
You
know
so.
C
O
Now
the
fence
is
not
a
chain-link
fence,
so
it's
one
of
the
fences
like
the
farm-style
fences,
where
a
child
probably
could
get
through
and
and
so
then
their
pool
is
near
their
home
right
now.
I
think
their
pool
has
all
these
safety
precautions
that
are
kind
of
already
mentioned,
and
the
the
place
where
their
access
to
their
to
their
ladder
is
does
have
an
enclosed
fence
around
it,
but
there's
not
an
enclosed
barrier.
P
O
P
If
you
can
walk,
if
you
can
walk
level
and
walk
into
that
pool,
then
it's
going
to
have
to
unless
you've
got
10
acres
or
you've
got
a
this
certified
safety
cover
that
you
can
put
on
it,
but
it's,
but
what
you're
talking
about
is
above
ground
pool.
So
if
it's
48
inch
wall,
that
wall
serves
as
the
barrier,
because
the
child
would
have
to
crawl
up
that
48
inch,
just
like
they'd,
have
to
crawl
over
a
48
inch
fence.
So
they.
C
C
F
Explain
my
vote.
Please
I'm
going
to
vote
yes
today
and
and
allow
this
piece
of
legislation
to
advance,
but
I
I
do
have
some
questions
about
a
couple
of
words
in
here
and
I
will
meet
with
representative
bridges
to
address
this
and
see
if
we
can't
make
this
language
a
little
tighter.
Thank
you,
patrick.