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C
D
A
D
Good
morning,
mr
chairman
and
members
senate
bill
350
341
simply
permits
grant
funded
employment
opportunities
within
the
division
of
forestry
and
assembly
if
they
get
money
in
assistance.
D
D
E
A
Yes,
okay,
bill
does
pass
with
favorable
expression,
senator
smith.
You
did
very
well
today,
so
thank
you
for
being
here.
A
Thank
you
for
your
committee.
Next
we're
going
to
be
we're
going
to
do
senate
bill,
315,
signature
meals,.
F
A
Okay,
this
is
a
companion
bill
that
we
had
already
run
that
through
this
committee.
I
think
we
do
have
a
committee
sub,
there's
none
except
for
this.
I
apologize
okay,
senator
thank.
F
You
thank
you,
as
chairman
gooch
said.
Y'all
have
heard
this
information
before,
but
we
want
to
just
emphasize
the
importance
of
this
as
part
of
the
federal
infrastructure
bill.
There's
104
million
dollars
worth
of
funds
coming
down
to
kentucky
to
thank.
A
D
F
A
A
F
You
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
We
saved
all
the
good
bills
for
last
yeah
the
today.
We
have
treasure
ball
with
me
today
and
also
online.
We
have
brian
cantrell
from
alliance
cole,
and
we
also
have
several
folks
from
alliance
in
the
audience
as
well.
Senator
205,
as
amended
by
the
committee,
said
that
you
just
adopted
addresses
energy
fossil
fuel
boycotts.
F
A
Ocean
and
second
second:
does
anyone
have
any
questions.
C
Well
I'll,
introduce
a
constituent
of
mine
and
with
the
redistricting
with
the
number
would
be,
the
chairman
is
kim
humphries
in
our
audience
today,
so
we're
happy
to
have
them
from
alliance,
but
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
bill.
May
I
go
ahead
with
that
or
I'm
sorry.
I
said
I
have
a
question
on
the
bill.
Yes,.
C
I
am,
I
just
want
you
to
kind
of
walk
through
us
a
little
bit
of
of
why
this
is
brought
forward.
I
think
it's
important
for
people
to
know
kind.
F
H
Happy
to
talk
about
this
so,
as
you
know,
I'm
from
eastern
kentucky
ninth
generation
from
the
coal
fields,
I
really
understand
the
coal
industry,
the
oil
and
gas
industry
and
I've
been
observing
for
the
last
few
years.
Great
efforts
to
target
these
industries,
these
traditional
energy
fields
coming
from
definitely
political
agendas,
also
coming
from
the
biden,
ministry
and
I've
been
involved
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
From
my
level.
H
Writing
letters
writing
comments
pushing
back,
but
I've
really
come
to
the
realization
that
I've
only
got
two
years
left
and
there
needs
to
be
some
something
that
lasts
beyond
me.
So
this
statute
would
be
really
important
to
make
sure
we
are
protecting
signature
industries
in
kentucky
these
dramatically
impact
our
economy,
and
I
think
it's
even
more
obvious
than
ever
that
we
really
do
need
to
be
energy
independent
as
a
as
a
state
as
a
country,
and
this
preserves
and
protects
that
so
so
this
is,
it's
unique.
F
A
couple
other
things
to
add
to
that
there
are
several
treasures:
offices
in
the
nation
that
are
doing
this
as
well,
and
then
the
other.
We
have
worked
with
some
of
the
big
banks
and
that's
what
the
two
changes
that
are
made
in
the
committee
sub
as
well,
were
to
address
some
of
their
concerns,
so
we're
happy
with
where
we're
at
on
the
bill.
At
this
point.
I
A
Okay,
any
other
questions.
Okay,
we
did
have
tom
fitzgerald
to
speak,
signed
up
to
speak
on
this
bill.
I
think
that's.
A
We
we're
pressed
for
time
so.
G
I
understand
I'll
be
uncharacteristically
brief.
Mr
chairman,
first
let
me
let
me
just
express
my
profound
appreciation
to
chairman
mills
for
carrying
the
senate
version
of
the
orphan
well
build
and
for
you
all
giving
it
the
sort
of
reception
you
did.
That
is
definitely
a
shoe
shining
bill.
Mr
chairman,
we
get
that
money
back
to
kentucky
and
put
people
back
to
work,
plugging
those
wells.
It's
going
to
be
a
great
thing.
G
I
wanted
to
very
very
briefly-
and
I've
shared
these
concerns
with
chairman
mills
before
just
to
express
my
concern
that
that,
while
I
understand
the
intent
behind
senate
bill
205,
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
accomplish
much
of
anything,
and
the
reason
for
that
is.
I
I've
watched
the
financial
institutions
over
the
past.
You
know
20
years,
particularly
over
the
past
five
to
10
years,
and
I
know
of
no
decisions
that
they
have
made
that
are
not
for
a
quote
ordinary
business
purpose
which
is
exempted
from
this
bill.
G
Those
sorts
of
decisions
are
not
considered
to
be
an
energy
boycott
and
I've
not
seen
any
situation
in
which
a
financial
institution
has
lent
or
has
refrained
from
lending
has
invested
or
has
refrained
from
investing
for
reasons
other
than
a
belief
by
that
institution
that
they're
acting
prudently
towards
in
the
ordinary
course
of
business
towards
with
a
fiduciary
business
purpose
towards
their
shareholders.
In
fact,
there
are
federal
remedies
if
they
fail
to
do
that.
G
So
I
doubt
that
many
of
these
institutions
will
be
subject
to
the
the
treasurer's
list
of
energy
boycott
companies
for
any
reason
other
than
they
failed
to
respond
within
the
60
days,
provided
in
the
statute
and
find
themselves
listed.
For
that
reason,
I
understand
the
intent
behind
sample
205.
G
I
think
we
all
to
a
greater
or
lesser
extent
align
where
we
choose
to
spend
our
money
with
our
values,
and
I
understand
the
statement
that
the
bill
makes,
and
I
appreciate
it
very
much,
but
I
believe
that
we
all-
I
just
don't
think
the
bill
will
accomplish
much
in
terms
of
positive
outcome
for
kentucky's,
beleaguered
fossil
fuel
industries
for
its
workforce
or
for
the
ratepayers.
G
I
think
we
all
understand
the
climate
is
changing
dramatically
rapidly
dangerously
in
some
cases
and
that
a
transition
is
underway
and
is
inevitable
and
is
necessary,
anticipating
and
adapting
to
that
change
in
a
way
that
protects
our
most
vulnerable
ratepayers,
who
many
of
you
know
I
represented
my
and
my
other
job
and
our
businesses
and
the
workforce
during
this
transition
is
a
legitimate
goal,
and
I
appreciate
the
work
that
the
chairman
has
done
towards
that
end
in
other
bills.
G
I
simply
don't
see
that
205
gets
us
further
down
the
road
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
all
have,
and
mr
chairman
I
this
may
be
my
last
time
after
44
years
of
being
in
front
of
this
committee-
and
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
and
thank
the
members
of
the
committee
for
this
wonderful
opportunity
to
participate
in
these
policy
discussions
and
these
these
debates.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you
tom.
Let
me
just
say
that
you
know
in
a
few
moments
we're
going
to
hear
house
bill
755
and
house
bill.
755
is
an
attempt
to
to
address
what
we
consider
a
wrong
to
the
right
players
of
kentucky
and,
and
the
biggest
part
of
that
was
because
there
was
a
the
big
sandy
power
plant.
There
was
a
coal-fired
power
plant
that
had
existing
life
available
to
it.
A
It
could
have
continued
to
serve
the
people
of
east
kentucky
well
as
it
had
in
in
years
past
and
because
of
policies
from
the
obama
administration.
That
plant
was
was
closed
and
it
was
closed
by
the
the
company
that
that
owned
it,
but
they
were
acting,
I'm
clearly
convinced
and
what
they
thought.
The
federal
government
was
trying
to
mandate
that
they
do.
A
We
may
not
be
in
a
position
here
where
we
can
have
a
huge
impact
going
forward,
but
at
some
point
we
have
to
fight
back
as
the
representatives
of
the
people
we
have
to
fight
back
and
the
the
one
thing
that
I
really
take
offense
at
is
so
many
of
the
consumer
advocates
that
will
talk
about
how
they
really
care
about
the
consumers,
because
they
want
to
be
there
at
the
rate
hearing
saying
that
they're
representing
them,
but
they
never
open
their
mouth.
When
decisions
are
made
in
washington
that
really
affect
those
changes.
A
And
for
me
I
think
no.
This
is
not
directed
to
anyone
here,
but
for
me
I
think
many
of
those
groups
are
frauds
and
we
have
to
to
register
and
and
fight
back
as
best
we
can
for
arkan
citizens
for
their
ability
to
have
reliable,
resilient,
affordable
electricity.
A
It's
important
to
our
business
community
kentucky
has
built
a
very
good
industrial
economy
based
on
cheap
electricity.
When
I
came
here,
we
had,
we
were
probably
the
third
cheapest
in
the
nation
and
certainly
the
cheapest
east
of
the
mississippi
river,
and
that
has
changed
a
lot
over
the
last
few
years.
And
I
view
this
this
bill
as
an
attempt
to
to
at
least
fight
back
and
say
we're
not
going
to
take
it
anymore,
representative
miles.
C
And
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment,
and
this
is
probably
the
strongest
statement
that
I
heard
one
of
our
energy
leaders
of
our
groups
whenever
they
were
talking
about
the
decisions
that
they
were
making
and
they
said
that
they're
making
40-year
decisions,
business
decisions
based
on
a
four-year
election
cycle
and
to
me
that
was
one
of
the
most
powerful
statements
ever
that
I've
heard,
and
we
don't
think
like
that.
As
far
as
you
know,
we
elections
come
and
go.
We
all
come
and
go.
C
We
recognize
that,
but
as
far
as
moving
our
country
forward
and
keeping
our
especially
the
energy
independence
to
even
think
that
we
would,
as
a
country,
stand
in
the
way
of
that
being
a
possibility,
especially
whenever
we're
watching
what
we're
seeing
in
other
countries
and
and
way,
far
away
it.
Just
this
is
maybe
a
small
opportunity
to
work
towards
that,
and
I
understand
this
may
not
be
the
perfect
fixing
might
not
solve
all
the
problems
of
the
world.
We
have
great
confidence
in
senator
mills
to
do
that.
C
A
We
have
represented
bowling
and
then
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
roll
call.
Thank
you.
F
Mr
chair
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
bringing
bringing
this
bill.
It's
just
important
that
we
put
this
subject
in
the
correct
lights.
I
think
you've
seen
more
and
more
from
the
federal
government.
I
know
the
securities
and
exchange
commission's
getting
into
this
on
reporting,
not
only
your
your
carbon
from
the
company
itself,
but
also
its
downstream
entities,
so
any
supplier
to
that
company
that
they've
got
to
issue
a
report
and
that's
what
washington
is
is
pushing
right
now.
So
this
is
vitally
important.
F
We've
got
to
push
back
in
kentucky
and
I
I
appreciate
this
bill.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Senator
mills.
I
treasure
ball.
I
appreciate
this
bill.
You
know
we're
we're
in
a
new
age
where
we
focus
on
diversity,
discrimination,
we've,
equity
and
I'm
all.
For
I
mean
I
stand
for
that,
but
that's
a
two-way
street
and
we've
got
to
protect
our
resources
here
in
kentucky
that
has
been
here
for
decades
and
a
prior
president
just
declared
war
on
coal
right
out
of
out
of
the
gate
and
we're
we're
quick
and
we've
spent
as
a
state.
E
I
mean
literally
millions
of
dollars
trying
to
diverse
our
our
energy
needs
for
our
energy
needs
and
we're
good
at
that.
But
we
can't
forget
those
that
supported
us,
the
foundation
that
our
states
rested
on
for
for
the
last
200
years
or
longer.
So
I've
got
a
lot
of
industries
that
are
the
downstream
industries
barges
rails
that
work
throughout
this
state.
So
I
just
want
to
tell
you:
I
appreciate
you
keeping
us
on
a
level
playing
field
in
our
our
our
vitality
on
that.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
I
vote
yes.
B
I
I
explain
my
vote
please
I
come.
I
represent
martin
and
pike
county
and
the
coal
was
our
economy.
It
has
been
for
many
years
and
I
took
very
strong
offense
to
what
they've
done
to
our
coal
industry
and
what
they've
done
to
our
people.
In
addition
to
that,
they
put
the
cost
of
the
demolition
of
the
can
of
the
kentucky
power
plant
on
electric
bills
and
to
add
insult
to
injury,
we,
the
citizens
paid
for
the
demolition
of
that
plant,
so
I
have
a
very
strong.
Yes
thank
you.
D
Cameron,
I'd
like
to
explain
my
vote.
Yes,
ma'am
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
I'm
voting
no
chairman,
because
my
father-in-law
was
a
coal
miner
in
west
virginia
and
I
remember
him
sharing
stories
of
of
those
workers
being
able
to
boycott
for
their
rights
and
that's
something
that
in
my
community
I
grew
up
with,
was
the
right
to
to
boycott,
and
I
don't
want
to
take
that
away
from
anyone.
So
I'm
casting
my
notebook
today.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
The
last
item
on
the
agenda
is
house
bill,
755
and,
as
as
people
had
previously
talked
about
the
reason
for
this
bill,
and
so
what
we're
attempting
to
do
with
755
is
to
try
to
give
try
to
give
some
relief
to
people
who
have
seen
their
utility
rates
increase
dramatically.
A
There
is
actually
a
committee
sub,
but
I'm
going
to
wait
to
yeah,
let's,
let's
wait
and-
and
so
anyway,
this
time
we're
just
gonna
hear
some.
What
what
this
build
does
is
it.
It
identifies
some
factors
that
we
might
be
able
to
do
in
kentucky.
That
would
help
with
rates
for
the
consumers
one.
It
talks
about
the
I
guess:
annualizing
the
fuel
adjustment
clauses,
where
you're
not
getting
a
huge
increase
at
one
particular
month,
because
that
really
does
seem
to
hurt
our
kentuckians.
A
Another
is
securitization
is,
which
is
a
mechanism
where,
when
these
plants
that
do
have
life
in
them
are
closed,
that
we
can
the
sisters,
don't
necessarily
have
to
pay
as
big
a
cost
for
the
decommissioning
of
those
plants,
and
so
that's
that's
part
of
the
bill.
Another
part
of
the
bill
is
you
know
whether
or
not
we
want
to
try
to
encourage
the
companies
that
are
closing
stranded
assets
to
try
to
sell
those
first.
A
Another
part
of
that
process
is,
maybe
you
know.
One
of
the
things
we
see
is
that
when
the
public
service
commission
has
utility
increases,
often
they're
put
off
for
a
long
period
of
time,
they
get
they're
very
expensive,
they're
very
complicated
and
we've
actually
seen
some
electric
rates
probably
cost
as
much
as
a
million
dollars
just
to
prepare
and
and
file
those
rate
increases.
And
so
what
happens
is
the
consumer's
rate
looks
kind
of
like
a
hockey
stick?
A
It
just
goes
along
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
you
have
a
huge,
a
huge
spike
there
and
are
there
other
ways
that
we
could
streamline
that
process.
One
bill
this
year
talked
a
little
bit
about
an
annual
rate
mechanism.
I
think
we
might
look
at
something
like
that
as
part
of
this.
So
with
that
we're
going
to
hear
some
testimony,
I
think
we
have
a
representative
from
the
public
service
commission
here
today.
A
We
ask
that
you
identify
yourself
for
the
record
and
and
maybe
enlighten
us
a
little
bit
about
any
part
of
that
three
three-prong
approach
or
four-prong
approach
that
that
might
be
beneficial
for
kentucky.
J
J
J
We
know
that
the
fuel
adjustment
clause
and
the
volatility
in
fuel
rates
hit
our
rate
payers
drastically
over
the
winter.
We
are
currently
in
our
six-month
review
of
the
fuel
adjustment
clause,
but
that
is
only
right
now
the
review
of
may
through
october.
So
our
current
review
is
not
of
that
volatile
period,
but
we
are
in
the
process
of
reviewing
those
rates,
reviewing
our
reg
and
seeing,
if
anything,
could
be
done
and
would
be
happy
to
participate
with
the
task
force
to
review
that
as
far
as
securitization.
We
do
think
that
is
a
vital
way.
J
J
J
Big
rivers
and
henderson
are
part
of
that
grid
since
my
time
on
there
we've
had
a
lot
of
meetings
with
miso,
and
I've
learned
that
this
is
a
very
big
concern
for
energy
planning
for
the
next
20
to
40
years,
and
there
are
concerns
from
the
miso
wind
that
premature
premature,
I'm
sorry,
I've
lost
my
lost,
my
train
of
thought.
J
Premature
retirement
of
thermal
generating
assets
such
as
coal
and
natural
gas
facilities
put
an
extreme
risk
on
our
grid
on
the
security
of
our
grid,
particularly
with
the
increased
electricity
demands,
we're
going
to
see
from
electric
vehicles.
So
this
is
something
that
we
have
to
be
concerned
about.
J
A
Before
we
do
that,
we
do
have
senate
committee
sub
two:
do
we
have
a
motion
to
adopt
that
motion
in
a
second
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
all
opposed
by
like
sign
what
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
do
because
we
do
have
members
that
have
to
testify
in
other
committees
we're
about
to
lose
our
quorum,
and
so
I
would
ask
that
we
can
still
continue
to
discuss
this
after
after
the
vote,
but
I
would
ask
that
the
clerk
call
the
roll
on
house
bill.
Seven.
A
The
committee
sub
just
makes
this
into
us
like
a
task
force
or
lrc
study
yeah,
because
it's
just
was
really
getting
more
much
more
complicated
than
we
realized,
and
so
we
we
felt
like
and
then
with
the
fact
that
I
think
the
liberty,
which
is
talked
about
purchasing
american
kentucky
power
that-
and
they
have,
I
think,
filed
with
the
public
service
commission-
that
they
will
not
in
charge
of
the
decommissioning
costs
for
like
three
years.
G
A
Okay,
this
is
proposed
house
sub.
Two
is
the
one
that
makes
this
into
the
study.
So
that's
that
was
what
was
amended
and
that's
what
we
will
be
voting
on
this
bill,
as
amended
by
the
committee
submission.
D
E
E
I
D
A
A
Yes,
okay,
there
is
a
committee
subs,
a
title
amendment
most
of
the
title
amendment
most
in
a
second
but
bowling
and
fugat
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
all
right
all
opposed
the
title
amendment
is
adopted,
so
it's
now
we
we
kind
of
had
to
do
that
to
to
maintain
our
quorum
and
allow
some.
So
we
were
happy
to
discuss
it
represented.
Let
me
record
as
a
yes
vote
on.
A
Okay,
that
is
755
all
right,
any
other
members.
Okay,
are
there
any
questions
or
comments.
A
You
did
such
a
good
job
explaining
it.
There
are
no
questions,
I
think
that's,
I
think
we're
going
to
have
lots
of
questions,
but
it's
going
to
be
in
the
task
force
that
ensues.
So
thank
everyone
for
being
here
today
and
we
appreciate
you.
We
got
we
got
out
of
here
in
record
time.
I'm
really
surprised
so
thank.