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A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
member
of
the
committee.
I
say
I'm
first
because
I
have
the
most
controversial
bill.
That's
right!
This
is
a
bill
that
will
help
the
ksp
where
they're
understaffed
and
what
they're
doing
to
hire
and
contractually
is
the
retired.
Troopers
are
coming
back
to
work
and
for
the
ksp
they
do
not
get
sick
pay,
they
don't
get
the
vacation
pay,
but
if
they
went
to
any
other
police
force
they
would
so.
C
This
addresses
that
that
they
can
come
back
to
the
ksp
and
and
get
their
what
they
should
have.
D
Thank
you
senator.
This
sounds
like
a
good
bill.
I
am
looking.
I
apologize.
I'm
looking
through
my
packet
now
trying
to
find
the
cost
associated
with
this.
C
It
was
minimal,
I
don't
have
the
the
financial
thing
with
me:
that's
all
right
because
they
already
they
already
are
receiving
their
retirement,
and
it
doesn't
affect
that
they
won't
be
able
to
continue
on
and
get
more
retirement
from
this.
It's
just
like
you're,
coming
back
and
working
on
a
contract
basis,
so
it
doesn't
cost
anymore
they're
already
paying
them.
They
already
have
their
retirement.
The
only
thing
it
would
cost
is
if
they
get
sick,
you'd
have
to
pay
those
days.
Okay,.
A
Adam
clark,
please,
we
have
a
motion
motion.
E
B
A
Senate
bill
209
passes,
10
0.
and
same
shall
pass
on
to
the
senate.
A
A
F
F
Is
it
prevents
in
election
operations
the
use
of
of
private
funds,
so
we're
not
talking
about
campaigns,
we're
talking
about
governmental
election
operations,
and
this
is
an
issue
that
has
gained
a
lot
of
attention
and
hope,
we're
hoping
to
be
proactive
on
this
and
I'll.
Let
my
guests
address
other
issues.
G
Yeah,
thank
you.
Chairman
mills,
members
of
the
committee
house,
bill
301
is
a
very
straightforward
bill
designed
to
present
prevent
outside
influence
over
the
fair
and
secure
administration
of
our
elections
in
the
commonwealth.
This
general
assembly
has
demonstrated
national
leadership
last
year
by
working
in
a
bipartisan
way
on
house
bill
574.
G
That
bill
has
increased
confidence
in
kentucky's
elections.
The
center
for
excellence
in
polling
recently
surveyed
likely
kentucky
voters
on
the
bill.
You
passed
last
session
and
61
percent
support,
prompt
removal
of
ineligible
voters.
63
percent
support
requiring
voter,
ids
and
74
have
increased
confidence.
Knowing
that
their
vote
tabulation,
there
will
be
vote
tabulation
audits
after
every
election,
but
one
thing
house
bill
574
did
not
address
was
the
outside
funding
of
election
offices.
Much
has
been
written
about
the
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
that
were
funneled
into
local
election
offices
across
the
country.
G
Currently,
politically
motivated
groups
funded
by
out-of-state
billionaires,
can
influence
local
elections,
creating
vast
disparities
between
counties,
how
their
elections
are
funded
and
operated.
This
creates
a
situation
where
official
election
operations
can
unwittingly
favor
one
side
of
the
political
aisle
over
another.
G
Would
it
be
okay,
if
george
soros
did
the
same
thing?
Would
it
be
okay?
If
it
was
charles
coke,
would
it
be
okay
if
one
county
was
funded
by
donald
trump,
I
would
submit
to
you
that
elections
should
be
funded
evenly
and
fairly
by
government
dollars,
not
bipartisan
billionaires
or
special
interest
groups
and
kentuckians
agree
in
that
same
poll.
G
Spending
money
on
campaigns
and
candidates
is
a
very
american
thing
to
do,
but
infiltrating
local
election
offices
should
offend
us
as
americans.
I'm
sure
we
can
all
agree,
especially
those
in
this
room,
that
elections
are
the
most
sacred
part
of
our
democracy.
Public
elections
should
be
financed
by
public
money.
Private
money
should
be
reserved
for
campaigns
and
advocacy
outside
the
system.
The
good
news
is,
is
the
current
state
budget?
That's
in
front
of
you,
has
increased
funding
based
on
conversations
with
the
secretary
of
state
to
ensure
our
elections
will
be
funded
adequately
by
public
dollars.
A
Absolutely
are
there
any
questions
from
members
we
have
senator
mcdaniel.
H
I
have
some
issue,
though,
with
the
last
paragraph
of
this,
which
is
that
any
person
who
know
anything
will
willfully
violate
subsection
two
section,
one
of
this
act
or
subsection,
two
of
section
two:
first
offense
guilty
of
a
class
d,
felony
second
offense
guilty
of
a
class
c
felony.
H
H
Then
no
governmental
body
of
a
city
county
urban
charter
government
consolidate
local
government,
unified
local
government
or
any
employee
thereof,
but
it's
not
just
to
solicit
that
money.
It's
to
take
or
otherwise
accept
private
contribution
or
anything
of
value.
So
let
me
give
you
a
hypothetical
all
right,
but
I
can
see
we.
We
all
know
that
something
like
this
will
come.
H
These
these
things
occur.
Somebody
brings
a
48
pack
of
water
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
we've
got
folks
who
are
guilty
of
a
class
d
felony
and
if
it
happens
a
second
time,
a
class
c
felony.
So
I'm
with
you
and
wanting
to
eliminate
the
big
money
coming
into
this.
But
I'd
like
you
to
speak
to
the
scenario
that
I
just
described
as
something
of
value
in
excess
of
ten
dollars
that
we're
creating
new
felonies
for.
F
The
ten
dollar
threshold
actually
was
became
a
part
of
this
bill
by
floor
amendment
to
to
address,
I
believe,
what
is
your
concern
representative
fisher
added
that
it
was
discussed
in
the
house
committee.
Almost
the
very
same
scenario
that
you
raised.
What,
if
to
provide
sandwiches
or
drinks
to
poll
workers
and-
and
our
thought
was-
is
that
the
floor
amendment
would
would
satisfy
that.
G
I'm
I'm
kind
of
of
the
election
having
someone
bring
in
food
donate
food
to
something.
So
I
agree
with
you
that
this
language
was
added
and
may
may
confuse
the
situation.
I
think
maybe
what
I
would
suggest-
and
maybe
ask
is
a
some
clarification
that
those
types
of
items
shouldn't
fit
in
there,
because,
frankly,
the
way
that
bill
was
drafted
initially
was
a
complete
ban
on
dollars.
Things
of
value
to
administer
the
election.
H
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
representative,
flannery.
First
of
all,
it's
great
to
see
you
and
we're
glad
you're
out
of
the
hospital
and
and
back
at
work
and
we're
we're
happy
to
see
you
happy
to
have
you
back.
I
Second
of
all,
I
think
this
is
a
great
bill
and
it
is
my
intention
to
move
it
pretty
quickly
if
it's
reported
favorably
from
committee
today.
But
I
do
think
senator
mcdaniel
has
raised
some
good
points
and
we
can
correct
that
with
the
floor
amendment
of
our
own.
So
I
would
because
you
know
ten
dollars
in
the
biden
economy
is
not
going
to
get
you
many
pizzas,
so
not
with
the
huge
this
inflation
that
we're
dealing
with
right
now.
I
So
thanks
for
the
opportunity
chairman
mcdaniel
for
me
to
take
a
swipe
at
the
president,
always
appreciate
that
opportunity,
and
but
I
would
I
would
ask
representative
flannery
if
you
could
get
with
chairman
mcdaniel
and
see
if
there's
a
something
we
can
work
out
with
the
floor
amendment
pretty
quickly,
because
I'd
like
to
get
this
thing
to
the
senate
floor
in
a
couple
days
and
if
and
if
it's
going
to
have
a
floor.
Amendment
get
it
back
to
you
for
concurrence,
so
mr.
I
If
it's
an
order,
I'd
make
a
motion
that
house
bill
301
be
reported.
Favorably
motion
same
shall
pass.
A
D
Actually,
my
question
was
just
I
didn't
know,
I
believe
the
county
clerk's
association.
It
spoke
in
the
house
and
I
just
wasn't
sure
if
they
were
here
today,
if
they
were
going
to
say
anything
or
not,.
A
Will
they
sign
up?
I'm
sorry
you
weren't
signed
up,
but
if
you'd
like
to
come
up
real,
quick
and
give
us
a
real
quick
statement,
I
apologize
if
you
thought
you
were
on
the
docket,
but
you
weren't
apology.
J
Jason
denney
anderson,
county
clerk
and
president
of
county
clerks
association,
while
we
mostly
are
in
favor
of
this
bill,
we
do
realize
that
during
2020,
if
we
hadn't
had
some
of
this
funding,
a
lot
of
counties
would
not
have
been
able
to
advertise
and
pull
off
the
successful,
excellent
election
that
we
have.
J
So
I
would
reach
out
to
the
legislative
body
to
find
ways
to
help
fund
things,
the
shortages
in
our
county
governments,
because
we
are
strapped
at
times
and
we
use
that
money,
and
we
did.
We
were
one
of
those
counties
that
utilized
that
money
for
advertising
to
announce
where
the
polling
locations
were
the
times
dates,
and
things
like
that,
so
it
did
come
in
handy.
We
would
had
no
restrictions
on
that
money.
At
that
time,
I
can
understand
how
it
looks
from
outside
monies.
D
D
Let
me,
let
me
ask
you:
did:
was
it
county
by
county
that
you
guys
received
it
or
yes.
J
J
Were
no
stipulations,
I
bought
a
mobile
trailer
and
spent
money.
The
rest
of
my
money
on
advertising
sent
cards
to
every
registered
voter's
household
do.
D
J
J
No,
I
do
not
so
I
do
not
know
how
we
selected
every
county
had
the
opportunity
to
to
apply
there's
many
that
did
not
even
apply
for
that
money
that
they
had
the
money.
Okay,
so
I
don't
know
how
that
selection
process
and
I'm
not
saying
it
was
fair
or
not
fair.
I
just
say
we.
I
would
hope
that
we
would
find
ways
to
fund
advertising
and
things
like
that
in
the
future,
because
we
are
changing
the
way
we
vote
in
kentucky
somewhat
and
I
think
the
general
public.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
You
know
clerk
I'm
sympathetic,
but
remember
we
were
implementing
a
new
way
of
voting
during
a
pandemic.
Yes,
sir
pandemic's
over
we're
back
to
normal,
I
think
people,
the
the
new
way
of
voting,
will
continue,
but
I
think
people
are
getting
accustomed
to
it
and
also
it's
also
the
candidates,
jobs
to
remind
people
when
election
day
is
and
to
get
them
excited
about
getting
to
the
polls,
and
I'm
not
sure
I
want
that
burden
to
continue
to
fall
on
the
county
clerks.
I
want
you
to
run
a
good
election.
I
I
want
it
to
be
easy
to
vote
hard
to
cheat
like
the
secretary
of
state
says,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
that
responsibility
should
should
fall
on
on
you
on
a
going
forward
basis.
I
understand
with
with
both
the
the
pandemic
and
the
new
way
of
voting
hitting
at
the
same
time
you
felt
obligated
to
do
that
and
your
county
did
a
great
job.
I
mean
you
made
the
news
on
a
regular
basis.
I
think
you
did
the
drive-through
voting.
I
Yes,
sir,
I
mean
all
of
that
worked
out
fine,
but
I
think,
as
we
are
getting
back
to
normal,
I
think
that
the
the
burden
should
not
necessarily
fall
on
the
county
clerks
to
remind
people
of
all
these
details
and
and
and
if
you
feel
so,
you
can
also
go
to
your
fiscal
court
and
ask
for
more
money.
K
Thank
you,
mr
senator
southworth.
My
question
is
about
this
might
be
for
brian.
In
the
interim,
we
heard
about
the
board
of
elections.
State
board
had
requested
a
million
dollars
and
had
been
had
received
a
million
six
and
each
county
had
that
requested.
At
least
I
think
I
don't
know
40
some
counties
received
money
or
something,
and
you
guys
said
at
that
time
you
were
looking
into
but
didn't
have
final
numbers
on
how
much
everyone
got
did.
Do
you
have
that
complete
now
and
do
we
have
a
report?
G
We
don't
have
a
complete
accounting
of
it.
We
are
able
to
tell
between
the
43
counties
that
did
receive
money
directly
and
I
think
the
the
board
of
elections
announced
how
much
they
had
and
how
much
they
used.
But
we
have
we
have
an
incomplete
list
of
how
the
money
was
spent
and
what
we
found
when
doing
foia
requests
across
the
country.
Sometimes
what
the
counties
report
is
actually
doesn't
match
the
990
form
of
the
nonprofit,
so
we've
we're
pulling
data
from
multiple
sources
to
get
this.
G
G
G
So
the
idea
that
an
outside
group
can
fund
one
county
based
on
whether
they
want
that
county
to
turn
out
more
or
not,
or
they
just
like
those
people
more
and
put.
Basically,
some
voters
at
a
disadvantage
and
some
voters
sort
of
toward
the
front
of
the
list
and
making
sure
they
get
to
vote
is
is
something
that
we
should
be
banned.
I
can,
I
can
give
you
the
total
amount
that
we
know,
or
at
least
has
been
reported
on
the
43
counties.
I
have
a
spreadsheet
in
front
of
me.
Well,.
G
We're
not
sure
in
a
lot
of
cases
across
the
country.
What
we've
seen
is
generally
the
minimum
amount
that
people
got
was
five
thousand
dollars,
which
is
entirely
consistent,
except
for
the
monroe
county
number
here.
Everything
else
is
5,
000
or
higher,
and
across
the
country
we
saw
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
small
rural
counties
would
apply
for
a
grant,
they'd
get
five
grand
and
then
more
favored
counties
for
whatever
reason,
whatever.
G
Whatever
reason
they
looked
at
it.
Whatever
reason,
the
nonprofit
chose
sometimes
gave
millions.
For
instance,
in
wisconsin
there
were
five
counties
that
got
over
nine
million
dollars.
There's
a
special
investigation
going
on
there
on.
You
know
what
they
call
the
zuckerberg
five,
which
are
these
counties,
which
they
used
it
to
put
illegal
drop
boxes
in
certain
areas
of
the
state
in
violation
of
their
own
state
law.
So
there's
an
investigation
going
on
there,
but
I
can't
tell
you
that
anything
that
was
used
in
kentucky
is
improper.
G
G
Questions
senator.
B
G
Yeah,
oh,
I
I
think
the
point
of
that
language
is
to
make
sure
that
when
the
local
election,
official
or
state
election
official
uses
public
dollars
to
administer
the
election,
they
have
to
contract
with
different
firms.
You
want
to
make
sure
those
contracts
aren't
caught
up
in
in
this
in
any
sort
of
way,
but
the
the
way
the
elections
are
funded
should
be
through
public
funds.
G
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
representative
for
bringing
the
bill.
Obviously
I
would
love
to
see
public
money
used
to
fund
as
many
things
as
as
we
possibly
can,
but
with
no.
L
L
F
F
There
are
different
thoughts
about
this,
but
I
mean
it's
just
my
opinion
and-
and
I
guess
the
the
views
of
other
of
my
colleagues
in
the
house
and
and
perhaps
even
the
senate,
that
this
is
an
issue
that
that
we're
that
we're
seeing
that
we,
but
this
you
know
more
about
it
now
than
we
did
in
2020,
and
although
we
don't
know
of
any
specific
improprieties
in
kentucky,
there
are
multitudes
of
issues
that
have
come
up
in
other
states
and
and
that
personally,
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
prevent
from
that
happening
here.
G
I
don't
think
fayette
county
received
any
grant
money.
H
Cast
my
vote
and
explained
ishmael,
let
me
cast
a
no
vote
for
the
reasons
I
stated
previously.
I
I'm
with
you
on
the
concept.
There
are
certain
functions
that
government
should
perform
and
there's
nothing
more
fundamental
than
free
and
fair
elections.
Now,
that
being
said,
public
money
does
not
guarantee
angels
are
in
the
administration
thereof,
but
it
at
least
provides
the
voters
with
recourse
against
those
who
are
funding
an
election
versus
a
some
type
of
private
thing.
H
So
I
I
think
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
make
this
tighten
this
to
where
we
don't
inadvertently
catch
up
good
people
and
create
major
penalties,
but
I
think
that
the
gap
between
10
and
563
000
is
pretty
substantial.
We
just
got
to
figure
a
way
to
get
that
a
little
bit
tighter,
but
thank
you
and
representative.
It
is
good
to
see
you
back
again.
D
You,
mr
chair,
I
vote.
I
I
agree.
The
optics
are
bad,
not
having
any
kind
of
guard
rails
in
place
now,
no
uniformity
or
explanation
of
of
how
some
of
it
is
being
distributed.
Concerns
me
to
the
clerk's
concerns,
though
I
think
you
know
I.
I
would
be
willing
to
entertain
in
the
future
a
some
kind
of
fun
that
we
could
establish
as
a
state
or
that
were
to
come
in
and
then
be
evenly
distributed
with
guard
rails
throughout
the
county.
D
A
K
I'm
voting
I
and
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
bringing
this
bill.
You
know
there
are
a
number
of
issues
with
our
elections,
not
the
least
of
which
is
was
this,
but
you
know
this
represents
taking
a
forward
step
in
hoping
that
something
similar
doesn't
happen
again.
Frankly,
2020
has
already
passed
and
2020
was
a
big
one.
Everybody
was
waiting
for
it.
87
percent
of
people
on
both
sides
of
the
aisle
in
2019
said
it
was
going
to
be
hacked
one
of
the
ways
you
can
hack.
Things
is
start
diverting
choice,
money
places.
K
So
I
really
really
appreciate
this
bill.
I
do
agree
with
senator
mcdaniel.
I
think
that
ten
dollars
kind
of
leaped
out
at
me
a
little
bit,
doesn't
leap
so
terribly
that
I
can't
move
forward,
but
I
would
certainly
support
an
amendment,
but
I
don't
think
the
amendment
needs
to
be
going
up.
It
needs
to
be
going
down
because
nobody
argues
that
we're
paying
merit
employees
over
and
above
what
they're
supposed
to
have.
If
somebody
brings
them
a
lunch,
because
you
know
we're
having
a
barbecue
day
out
here
what
else?
K
B
M
Vote
yes
today
and
I
would
just
mirror
the
comments
that
senator
mcdaniel
raised
with
the
concern
and
on
page
one
and
then
the
last
page.
If
we
can
just
tighten
that
down,
I
think
it's
appropriate.
Thank
you.
A
I
vote
I
and
house
bill
301
passes
out
of
committee.
Eight
to
three
same:
should
move
on
to
the
senate
floor
next
item
up
is
senate
bill
167
and,
as
the
sponsors
are
making
their
way
down
to
the
desk,
we
have
some
time
constraints
we're
going
to
give
five
minutes
for
presentation
five
or
six
minutes
for
a
presentation,
and
then
we
may
have
some
time
for
questions
and
answers
and
a
vote.
A
E
The
floor
is
yours.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
senate
bill
167
is
an
effort
to
actually
exp
expand
the
goals
and
potential
reaches
of
libraries,
not
only
by
enabling
them
to
participate
in
more
community
efforts
by
by
also
making
sure
that
there
is
transparency
and
accountability
amongst
library
boards.
E
The
way
the
boards
are
currently
set
up,
the
board
basically
recommends
its
own
replacements,
and
once
those
replacements
are
recommended,
the
county
judge
executive
essentially
has
to
is
compelled
to
pick
from
one
of
the
nominees
made
by
the
library
board.
Even
if
that
particular
board
member
of
the
county
judge,
who
is
the
elected
responsible
official
feels,
is
not
adequately
representing
the
the
voices
of
his
voters
or
is
being
fiscally
responsible
senate
bill.
167
is
an
effort
to
enable
the
library
boards
to
give
them
a
certain
amount
of
accountability.
E
I
think
the
vast
majority
of
our
library
boards
do
function
well,
but
there
are
those
that
don't
and
when
you
run
into
a
bad
situation,
I'll,
let
judge
carter
speak
briefly
to
that.
There's
really
nothing
that
the
county
government
can
do
to
clean
that
up,
and
we
must
must
remember
that
these
boards
have
taxing
authority,
and
I
can
give
you
some
figures.
There
are
some
boards
that
have
accumulated
vast
amounts
of
wealth
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
at
least
some
county
boards
as
much
as
26
million
dollars.
E
In
fact,
I
would
it's
no
overstatement
to
say
that
these
are
probably
some
of
the
most
well-funded
governmental
institutions
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
with
really
no
accountability
towards
the
voters.
I
mean,
if,
if
the
library
board
chooses
to
appoint
a
particular
member,
the
judge
really
has
to
pick
from
the
ones
that
are
sent
over
to
him.
E
So
what
167
is
is
is
doing
is
basically
creating
a
relief
valve
in
situations
where
the
board
is
not
functioning
appropriately
and
allowing
the
county
judge
to
bring
a
more
diverse
diversity
of
opinions
to
our
libraries
that
more
accurately
reflect
our
communities.
E
In
addition,
it
allows
the
library
board
to
expand
their
horizons
and
participate
in
other
educational
functions
within
the
community
in
order
to
enable
them
to
outreach
to
do
community
outreach
and
and
economic
development.
So
with
that
being
said,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
my
good
friend,
judge,
phil
carter.
I'd
also
say:
representative
flannery
has
filed
serious,
similar
legislation
in
the
house
and
he's
here
in
support
of
it
today,
but
judge
carter.
If
you
can
explain
a
little
bit
about
what
happened
in
your
library.
N
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
I
am
not
anti-library
or
against
the
library.
I
love
the
library
as
well
as
you
all
do.
The
issue
I
have
as
well
as
most
of
the
other
county
judges
is
the
lack
of
oversight.
N
Through
the
fiscal
court,
when
I
would
attend
meetings
and
for
a
different
discussion,
it
would
turn
the
discussion
would
turn
to
libraries
over
the
state
that
you
know
their
way.
They
had
their
money,
the
amount
of
money
and
they
had
no
control.
So
it
was.
It
was
over
the
state,
my
library
had
six
and
a
half
million
dollars
in
the
in
the
bank
and
when
we
questioned
them
to
try
to
get
them
to
lower
the
rate
or
whatever
they
wouldn't,
and
we
have
to
we're
a
poor
county.
N
N
So
it's,
but
we
have
our
library,
I
guess
maybe
different
than
others.
We
had
a
issue
when
we
started
questioning
the
the
money
they
went
out
and
tore
down
a
a
ten
year
old
building
that
was
really
nice
and
built
another
one
for
almost
four
million,
and
it
was
a
disaster.
N
I
can
give
you
a
link
to
what
came
out
in
the
paper
yesterday
where
they
went
over.
They
paid
excessive
money
to
the
oversight
chairman.
N
A
Okay
judge.
Thank
you
for
your
testimony.
We
have
two
individuals
that
would
like
to
speak
also
on
the
bill
as
well.
We
have
so
if
y'all
could
trade
seats
and
let
them
come
up
we'll
give
them
several
a
couple
minutes
here:
dave
schroeder,
gene
ruark,
you
behind,
and
I
apologize
for
the
squeeze
on
time,
but
we
give
you
about
three
or
four
minutes
to
kind
of
state.
Your
case
and
y'all
can
introduce
yourself
and
please
proceed.
O
Thank
you,
I'm
jean
rourke,
I'm
director
of
the
paul
sawyer
library
here
in
frankfort.
I
would
like
to
talk
to
you
about
the
board.
Appointments
and
boards
really
do
need
to
be
bipartisan,
and
the
relief
valve
that
senator
wheeler
mentioned
might
be
a
relief
valve
for
a
few
library
boards.
But
most
library
boards
are
responsible
in
appointing
there.
O
P
I
would
like
to
point
out
as
well.
My
name
is
dave
schroeder.
Thank
you,
chairman
mills
and
the
committee
for
listening
to
us.
My
name
is
dave
schroeder,
I'm
director
of
the
kenton
county,
public
library,
I
think
part
of
the
issue
about
having
money
set
aside
in
reserves,
has
already
been
addressed
by
this
body.
P
Two
years
ago
there
was
a
bill
that
the
house
and
the
senate
passed
that
capped,
basically
special
purpose
government
entities.
So
we
were
the
new
law
allowed
us
to
take
the
compensating
rate,
but
nothing
above
the
compensating
rate
without
fiscal
court
approval,
and
so
I
think
that
bill
has
addressed
this
issue
fairly.
Well,
I
think
a
lot
of
those
reserves
that
you
see
that
libraries
have
were
accumulated
before
that
time.
P
I
do
have
data
where
the
number
of
libraries
in
the
last
four
or
five
years
that
have
taken
over
the
compensating
rate
is
under
five,
so
less
than
five
libraries
took
above
the
compensating
rate
and
they
had
to
get
fiscal
court
approval
to
do
that,
and
so
I
think
part
of
the
problem
here
is
that
we
have
already
addressed
this
issue
as
a
body.
You
have
limited
the
role
of
library
boards
to
take
above
compensating
rate,
I
will
say
that
the
library
association
worked
with
senator
schickel
and
senator
alvarado.
P
Actually,
on
that
bill,
we
promised
that
we
would
not
fight
that
bill
and
our
major
concern
was
to
try
to
keep
our
boards
intact,
because
we
want
our
boards
to
remain.
You
know
nonpartisan.
We
want
our
boards
to
continue
to
serve
everyone
in
the
community
and
not
become
political
animals,
and
so
it
was
very
important
to
us
in
that
regard,
and
so
again,
I
think
that
that
issue
has
been
addressed.
P
The
comment
about
taxes,
I
think,
there's
a
little
bit
of
misunderstanding
there
as
well.
Tax
rates
for
special
purpose
government
entities
are
pretty
much
real
property
counties
if
you're,
comparing
a
county
or
city
tax
rate,
with
a
special
government
entity
tax
rate,
we
don't
get
payroll
tax,
for
instance,
that's
not
available
to
spges,
we've
never
asked
for
it,
and
so
when
you,
when
you
say
that
the
tax
rate
for
one
county
and
a
special
purpose
government-
and
they
are
the
same-
that
doesn't
mean
the
budget-
is
the
same.
P
Counties
and
cities
tend
to
have
much
more
available
tax
income
than
we
do.
Our
taxes
primarily
are
on
real
property.
We
get
very
little
tax
beyond
that,
and
so
real
property
is
what
we're
living
on
and
again,
you
all
have
addressed
that
by
saying
in
2020
that
we
cannot
take
above
compensating
rate
without
getting
fiscal
court
approval.
P
So
I
think
this
is
an
issue
that
has
been
addressed.
I
think
there
was
willingness
on
both
sides
to
address
it.
Two
years
ago,
I
thought
we
came
to
a
really
good
compromise
to
make
this
work
and
to
be
fair,
and
to
be
honest
and
again,
I
do
believe
that
most
of
the
the
overruns
or
the
reserves
that
you
see
are
reserves
that
were
built
prior
to
that
bill
being
passed.
P
P
We
are
here
to
make
sure
that
everyone
who
comes
into
a
public
library
in
kentucky
has
access
to
information
that
they
need,
and
I
will
tell
you-
and
I
might
get
myself
in
trouble
for
saying
this,
but
I
say
this
to
people
all
the
time.
If
you
come
into
the
canton
county,
public
library-
and
you
find
something
that
you
find
objectionable,
then
I've
done
my
job.
P
P
We
want
to
make
sure
in
all
of
our
counties
and
all
of
our
communities,
that
everyone
has
access,
free
and
open
access
to
information,
and
when
you
think
about
it,
public
libraries
are
one
of
the
last
institutions,
public
institutions,
that
provide
free
access
to
all
information
to
anybody
who
comes
to
our
doors.
Okay,.
A
I
K
This
might
be
for
the
sponsor,
sponsor
I'm
not
100,
sure
who's
the
right
person,
but
I
noticed
a
couple
of
language
issues.
I
was
going
to
ask
about
the.
K
While
you're
walking
just
listen
up
the
tiering,
normally
that
we
have
on
boards,
where
they're
like
rotated
every
four
years
terms
and
so
forth,
right
and
they're
staggered
this
here,
it
seems
like
to
me
they're
all
getting
appointed
under
on
a
new
date.
Do
we
have
it's
tigers,
something
where
we
are
getting
them
back
into
a
staggered
situation
or
how
we
gonna
address
that.
E
A
E
M
Wheeler,
very
briefly,
you
mentioned
in
your
testimony
about
this
bill,
creating
transparency
to
fill
board
vacancies.
You
recall
that
testimony.
M
Section
one
and
section
five
of
the
sub
do
those
set
forth
some
sort
of
standardized
parameters
that
would
be
utilized.
E
I
believe
they
do
in
fact
they
don't
really
alter
or
amend
the
current
appointment
method.
I
mean
the
the
current
appointment
method
is
still
a
viable
option
for
a
fiscal
court
and
a
library
board.
It
merely
provides
the
option
if
the
county
judge
does
not
feel
that
these
two
board
members
or
two
suggestions
for
particular
board
position
are
functioning
effectively.
E
It
allows
him
to
points
appoint
somebody
who
is
not
on
the
list
that
is
sent
by
librarian
archives.
So,
yes,
I
believe
very
much
that
it
does
provide
for
transparency
and
accountability.
More
importantly,
in
the
appointment
of
these
positions.
C
E
You
and
I
have
had
some
discussions
on
that
senator
nemas
and
and
I
would
entertain
a
an
amendment
because
you
know
I
have
met
with
some
of
my
librarians
even
here
today
and-
and
I
would
say
that
most
of
the
boards
in
the
state
are
probably
functioning
well,
but
there
are
a
few
that
are
not
functioning
well
and
under
the
current
way.
The
statute
is
setting
up
set
up,
there's
just
really
no
way
to
get
out
from
under
a
poorly
functioning
board.
E
To
go
back
to
the
judge's
example
in
lawrence
county,
this
building
was
less
than
10
years
old.
They
had
six
million
dollars
in
the
bank,
they
tore
down
the
building
or
half
of
it
or
two
thirds
of
it
to
put
on
a
three
and
a
half
million
dollar
addition,
and
you
know
there
were
cost
overruns.
There
were
a
variety
of
other
problems
with
this
particular
action,
and
yet
the
county
judge
was
powerless
to
do
anything
about
it.
E
I
mean
the
board
essentially
thumbed
their
nose
at
him,
and
you
know
we
have
to
look
at
you
know
when
you
have
a
a
and
a
board,
that's
out
of
control.
That
essentially
is
appointing
its
own
members.
E
You
know
there's
really
no
way
to
to
really
resolve
that
issue
without
making
you
know
these
folks
subject
to
essentially
a
recall
by
the
voters,
in
the
sense
that
it
gives
the
judge
an
option
to
appoint
somebody
else
to
to
to
to
get
the
board
responsive
to
the
community
concerns.
A
A
H
First
of
all,
everybody
gets
to
see
why
I've
got
the
best
librarian
in
the
state
sitting
down
there
today
and
I
think,
there's
a
lot
that
needs
to
be
cleaned
up
in
this,
but
senator
wheeler's
maintained
a
pretty
good
willingness
to
do
that
and
when
I've
got
to
make
a
choice
between
putting
somebody
with
taxing
authority
in
front
of
an
elected
official
or
not,
especially
with
the
complaints
that
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
judges
about
the
folks
that
they
get
from
libraries
and
archives.
H
C
Explain
my
vote.
Please!
Yes,
you
may
I
vote.
I
respect
senator
wheeler
immensely.
I
see
he
has
problems
there
and
I,
like
the
accountability.
I
don't
like
blowing
up
the
board
and
I
do
like
the
library
board
being
able.
Maybe
we
could
mix
that
they
could
appoint
certain
number
of
people
along
with
the
fiscal
court.
I
like
the
accountability
but
and
there's
other
things
that
we've
discussed
and-
and
I
appreciate
your
willingness
to
for
an
amendment
thanks.
D
Chair
explain
my
vote.
Yes,
you
may
thank
you.
I
vote.
No,
you
know
we
heard
a
pretty
bad
story
from
the
judge
today,
but
I
think
it
gets.
You
know
to
set
blanket
policies,
sometimes
that
are
going
to
impact
across
the
state.
For
this
situation
I
think,
can
be
a
little
dangerous.
D
You
know
a
few
years
ago,
as
mentioned,
we
passed
legislation
that
I
believe
I
was
a
co-sponsor
on
where
the
fiscal
court
had
to
sign
off
on
anything
over
the
compensating
rate,
and
I
do
think
that
was
a
good
way
to
address
a
lot
of
the
concerns.
My
other
concerns,
though,
in
sermon
wheeler,
I
appreciate
I
think
the
committee
sub
takes
out
that
educational
requirement-
or
at
least
you-
and
I
have
talked
about
that-
my
concern
and
your
willingness
to
consider
taking
that
out.
If
the
sub
doesn't
already
address
it,
it
does.
D
Oh,
I
think
it
does
yeah
and
there's
still,
however,
other
things
in
here
the
time
requirement
and
also
the
age
you
know
earlier
this
session,
there
was
another
bill
that
that
dealt
with
age
and-
and
I
expressed
my
view-
I
think,
if
you're
not
old
enough
to
serve
this
country,
you're
old
enough
to
be
on
any
board
across
the
state
and
there's
there's
a
few
other
things
and
I'm
happy
to
talk
to
you.
But
for
now
it's
just
a
little
too
much
for
me.
Thank
you.
K
A
K
I'm
going
to
vote
yes
right
now
and
I'm
going
to
pretty
much
echo
everything
that
just
got
said
by
senator
nemes,
senator
mcdaniel
and
senator
schroeder
had
really
great
point.
There
are
a
number
of
things
here.
I
think
I'd
like
to
tweak
on
and
senator
wheeler's
been
good
on
tweaking
so
far.
I
think
I
think
we
have
more
work
to
do.
K
So
I
think
that
these
changes
that
we've
discussed,
one
that
I'm
gonna
register
put
on
the
radar
is
on
page
six
and
again
later
it
happens
again
requiring
a
unanimous
vote,
I'm
all
for
consensus
and
I
actually
approve
of
unanimous
votes
in
a
lot
of
cases,
but
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
at
least
be
careful
if
you
do
have
one
naysayer
they're,
not
holding
up
the
whole
community
that
you
just
can't
work
around.
I
think
that's
the
reason
we're
writing
this
bill
in
the
first
place.
K
B
M
Cast
my
voting
explain
yes,
cass
and
I
vote.
I
think
this
this
well
prior
to
coming
in
in
here
I
met
with
jan
banks
from
casey
county
she's,
a
wonderful
lady,
and
I
think
one
of
her
libraries
that
she
runs
is
one
of
the
best
in
the
state,
but
I
also
believe
that
senator
will
has
shown
his
ability
to
to
work
with
other
people
work
with
other
stakeholders.
So
that's
the
first
point.
Second
point:
this
bill
has
transparency
in
the
third
thing:
it
brings
accountability.
So
how
about
I.
I
A
I
vote
I
and
senate
bill
167
passes
with
favorable
expression,
eight
to
three
and,
ladies
and
gentlemen
of
the
committee.
We
have
one
more
item
but
we're
going
to
skip
over
that
for
today,
so
we
can
get
to
our
respective
caucuses
and
we
may
have
a
short
special
meeting,
possibly
tomorrow.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
those
that
are
in
the
audience
today
and
thank
you
for
to
our
committee
members.
We
are
adjourned.