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A
And
we've
got
a
ridiculous
agenda
of
bills
that
everybody
once
heard
in
past
and
we've
got
the
chief
justice
of
the
kentucky
supreme
court
here
and
I
want
to
be
sensitive
to
his
schedule
and
availability
and
that
bill's
first.
So,
mr
secretary,
if
you
don't
mind
calling
the
roll.
B
Senator
berg
senator
kerr
senator
neal
senator
schickel
senator
schroeder
president
stivers
senator
turner,
senator
west
senator
willer,
senator
carroll
here,
chairman
westerfield.
A
Here
we
don't
have
a
quorum,
so
we
won't
take
any
votes
until
we
do,
but
I
do
want
to
jump
on
in
with
the
members
that
we've
got
give
me
a
second
to
make
sure
I'm
got
everything.
I
need.
A
A
All
right,
mr
chief
justice
representative,
dj
johnson
glad
to
have
you
both
here:
we've
got
house
bill,
214
up
first
on
the
agenda
and
act
relating
to
judicial
districts
and
circuits
and
declaring
an
emergency,
and
I
know
we've
got
folks
from
both
hopkins
and
henderson
counties
that
would
like
to
speak
as
well
I'll,
let
you
speak
and
let
them
speak
after
you
all
and
if
you'd
like
you,
can
the
two
of
you
can
have
the
final
word,
I'm
going
to
try
to
keep
this
to
30
minutes
or
less
for
everybody,
so
10
to
15
minutes.
C
C
And
in
an
effort
to
be
brief,
I
do
have
just
a
couple
of
brief
comments
to
start
with
I'll
turn
it
over
to
chief
justice
for
his
comments
or
to
perhaps
clean
up
anything.
I
might
say
so,
if,
with
your
indulgence,
mr
chairman,
we're
here
to
present
as
you've
said
house
bill
214
as
amended
by
house
committee,
substitute
one
which
addresses
several
critical
and
time-sensitive
judicial
workload,
imbalances
across
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
C
These
imbalances
are
not
only
causing
improper
workloads
for
our
judges
and
their
staffs
overworking
many
of
them,
but
they
are
also
causing
a
substandard
level
of
judicial
services.
For
far
too
many
of
our
kentucky
citizens,
the
actual
scope
of
house
bill
214,
includes
18
judicial
changes,
nine
additions
and
nine
deletions,
involving
32
counties
and
impacting
over
2
million
kentucky
citizens.
C
These
18
adjustments
should
be
implemented,
as
outlined
in
house
bill
214..
We
owe
it
to
the
citizens
across
the
commonwealth,
who
are
currently
receiving
less
than
acceptable
judicial
services
and,
subject
to
the
committee's
questions,
I
request
favorable
consideration
of
house
bill
214
and
at
this
time
I
would
like
to
turn
it
over
to
the
chief
justice.
D
Thank
you,
representative
johnson.
The
the
story
of
the
workload
work
that
we've
been
doing
for
the
last
almost
decade
reminds
us,
mr
chairman,
of
the
mythical
story
of
sisyphus,
who
was
sentenced
to
pushing
this
rock
up
the
hill
for
eternity
only
to
have
the
rock
roll
down
just
before
he
crested.
So
for
nearly
a
decade.
D
Family
court
judge,
who
had
to
simply
dismiss
a
case
for
a
termination
of
parental
rights
case,
judge
morgan,
because
she,
because
time
had
expired,
she
just
couldn't
get
to
the
work
she's
working.
She
is
not
at
the
at
the
top
of
the
list
but
she's.
Second,
in
terms
of
the
workload
that's
expected
of
one
judge
in
those
counties
because
the
volume
so
it
it's,
not
what
I
need
or
what
you
need,
it's,
what
the
people
of
kentucky
need.
D
D
A
Got
a
motion
on
the
bill,
a
second
from
the
chairman
motion
from
senator
wheeler,
any
questions,
senator
steiner,
president
stoppers.
E
Has
been-
and
I
know
representative
johnson
came
to
talk
to
me
about
this
and
if
I
could
have
a
little
bit
of
difference,
mr
chair
has
there
been
a
re-circuiting
plan
bill
ever
filed
in
the
house.
E
E
D
I
know
that,
under
part
of
the
work
that
we
have
been
able
to
accomplish
to
answer
your
question
and
try
to
answer
your
question,
the
court
has
been
put
on
a
regular
schedule
by
the
general
assembly
to
say:
come
back
to
us
every
x,
number
of
years
under
these
bills
and
and
report
these
workload
imbalances.
D
The
easy
part
has
always
been,
as
you
know,
senator
to
add
judges
the
hard
part-
and
there
are
two
delegations
behind
me
to
speak
to
this.
The
hard
part
is
to
recognize
that
the
shift
and
the
changing
in
times
and
the
changing
in
workloads
militate
necessitate
sometimes
the
rearrangement
and
removal
of
judges
from
those
places
and
put
them
where
they're
needed
that's
hard
work.
E
E
So
if
this
goes
through
two
years,
four
years
more
than
likely
there's
still
going
to
be
growth
in
central
kentucky,
because
that's
what
our
demographics
show
there's
going
to
be
growth
in
northern
kentucky,
there's
going
to
be
growth
in
and
around
the
bowling
green
area,
probably
more
than
likely
in
the
hardin
county
area.
Since
you're
going
to
see
a
lot
of
new
jobs
come
in
there,
and
so
there's
really
no
other
judges
to
remove.
E
If
you
ask
for
additional
judgeships
to
offset,
because
there's
no
redistricting
or
re-circuiting,
I
think,
is
what
the
constitution
talks
about.
Therefore,
the
only
thing
that
will
happen
is
not
re-circuiting,
adding
judges
and
not
balancing
anything
out.
Unless
you
go
into
the
five
single
county
circuits
in
eastern
kentucky.
E
D
D
I
listened
carefully
painfully
to
the
criticism
of
the
court
for
its
failure
to
certify
the
removal
of
any
judges.
I
heard
that
message
loud
and
clear
and
and
this
bill
we've
we've
taken
that
hard
vote,
and
these
folks
behind
me
are
feeling
the
pinch
of
that
hard
vote.
We
took
the
hard
vote
and
made
the
tough
decision
to
say
you
know
the
case.
Load
has
dropped
in
henderson.
D
The
case
load
has
dropped
in
hopkins,
the
we
have
judges
there
who
combined
are
not
doing
the
work
of
one
judge,
so
that
needs
to
change
and
those
are
hard
votes
to
take
and
and
those
are
going
to
be
harder
votes
to
take
in
those
places
where
you're
mentioning.
Mr
chairman,
because
where
we're
talking
about
here
in
henderson
and
hopkins,
we
have
one
single
county,
one
courthouse
in
some
of
those
places
the
courthouses
are
going
to
be
separated
by
miles
of
crooked
road.
So
I
know
those
are.
D
Those
are
challenges,
but
it's
going
to
have
to
happen
and
those
hard
votes
are
going
to
have
to
be
taken.
And
in
my
estimation,
mr
chairman,
and
to
answer
your
question.
Mr
president,
this
is
the
very
beginning
of
some
hard
votes
that
have
already
been
taken
and
I
don't
want
to
lose
the
momentum
that
we
may
have
gotten
here.
With
this
start,
it's
important.
E
One
last
thing:
I,
yes,
sir.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
the
the
discussions
we've
had.
We
have
been
about
recircuting
for
over
10
years,
because
there
needs
to
be
an
equitable
distribution
of
the
judges.
D
I
want
to
answer
answer
the
the
the
first
question
you
know
in
terms
of
of
yes,
I
don't
disagree.
You
and
I've
had
this
many
many
discussions
about.
I
do
not
disagree
because
we
have
proposed
it
before,
and
the
senate
has
has
agreed
with
us
a
majority
of
the
senators
that
a
comprehensive
statewide
plan
is
needed.
D
The
problem
in
terms
of
time
is
that
I
have
nine
jurisdictions
that
desperately
need
attention
now
and
the
only
time
that
a
total
recirculating
can
happen.
The
sooner
it
the
soonest
it
could
happen
would
be
2030.,
so
the
people
in
knox
and
laurel
and
the
people
in
bourbon
and
scott
and
woodford
and
other
places
down
the
list.
I
mean
to
to
say
that
they
have
to
hold.
You
know
they
can't
wait
till
2030
to
address
these
needs.
We
just
can't
the
need
is
desperate
and
so
to
address.
D
The
first
question
is
yes,
comprehensive
statewide
re-circuiting
needs
to
happen.
It
doesn't
need
to
stop.
It
needs
to
start
today.
It
doesn't
need
to
stop
here.
It
can't,
but
what
we
have
to
have
are
judges
and
we
have
to
have
them
now
and
we
have
judges
that
are
under
underserved
under
underused
and
they
need
to
come
from
there
now.
This
bill
will
exhaust
that
list
of
that
short
list.
I
agree.
D
D
D
A
F
G
H
I
am,
will
cox,
I'm
a
attorney
in
madisonville,
been
practicing
down
there
since
1999
and
I'm
in
the
hopkins
district
court,
if
not
on
a
daily
basis,
multiple
times
a
week,
and
I
am
also
a
officer
of
the
bar
association,
local
bar.
I
Good
morning
my
name
is
leslie
newman.
I
am
here
as
henderson
district
judge
and
as
a
representative
of
the
henderson
county
bar
association.
We
concur
with
our
brethren
to
the
south
from
hopkins
county.
We
do
not
oppose
house
bill
214
to
create
the
needed
judgeships
for
our
colleagues
across
the
state
who
are
in
great
need,
but
the
reality
of
our
service
to
the
people
of
our
county
and
to
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
is
that
our
our
workload
is
much
less
than
half
time.
A
I
My
name
is
leslie
newman,
I'm
here
today,
as
henderson
district
judge
and
as
a
representative
of
the
henderson
county
bar
association,
like
our
brethren
to
the
south
from
hopkins
county.
We
do
not
oppose
house
bill
214
to
create
needed
judgeships
for
our
colleagues
across
the
state
whose
need
has
been
identified
to
be
to
to
increase
the
number
of
judges
for
those
we
are
here
asking
that
we
not
lose
a
judgeship.
I
I
Are
the
constituents
in
our
courts
whether
that
is
the
clerk's
staff,
whether
that
is
the
people
who
come
before
our
court?
Our
prosecutors,
our
public
defender
and
our
private
bar
see
that
we
are.
We
do
not
have
half
time
we
work
hard
to
provide
services
in
keeping
with
the
words
of
our
henderson
county
son
chief
justice,
john
palmer,
whose
words
grace
the
walls
of
our
court
and
whose
words
start
my
work
each
day.
I
He
said
what
I'm
saying
about
the
district
court.
I
have
said
on
many
prior
occasions,
including
my
speeches
to
the
general
assembly.
I
am
proud
to
say
that
I
have
been
its
chief
cheerleader.
It
is
our
most
important
court
for
the
simple
reason
that
more
people
come
before
it.
More
people,
see
it
and
hear
about
it,
and
more
people
know
what
it
is
from
the
very
beginning.
I
have
believed
the
performance
of
this
court.
I
These
judges
would
be
the
key
to
the
public's
judgment
of
the
system
as
a
whole,
and
happily,
I
believe
it
has
proved
to
be
so
in
henderson,
county
and
in
hopkins.
County
I-69
is
a
proud
achievement
that
our
state
has
worked
for.
Many
years
we
anticipate
by
2026
the
traffic
traveling
through
our
county
will
increase
by
20
to
30
percent.
We
have
an
increase
in
population
that
is
coming
with
a
creation
of
new
industry.
We
don't
have
what
hardin
county
is
expecting,
but
we
do
have
a
committed
new
industry
coming
to
our
community.
I
We
would
at
least
ask
the
court
to
delay
deleting
our
judgeships
in
2027
until
the
workload
could
be
assessed
again
before
that
time
and
again,
we
do
support
the
need
for
the
increase
in
the
judges
whose
workload
has
proven
the
need
throughout
the
state
we're
not
against
the
bill
as
a
whole.
Thank
you
thank.
J
J
I've
got
a
lot
of
history
about
it.
Henderson
is
growing
pratt
industries
bringing
320
new
jobs,
pay
40
dollars
an
hour,
including
benefits.
We've
got
another
130
jobs
that
are
coming.
I
can't
talk
to
you
about
that,
but
but
I
am
aware
that
they're
coming
henderson
county
whenever
I
was
county
attorney,
we
had
12
000
traffic
cases
a
year.
We
now
have
about
three:
that's
not
our
county's
fault
that
we're
being
been
based
on
that
the
state
police
post,
when
I
was
county
attorney,
had
18
troopers
they've
got
eight.
J
I
know
you
all
are
funding
in
them
now
you're
trying
to
get
that
up.
But
when
it
comes
back
up,
we
haven't
even
had
a
state
trooper
to
be
running
around
our
county
other
than
going
to
the
post.
Our
sheriff's
office
has
taken
the
domestic
violence
in
those
type
of
cases.
So
there's
nobody
out
trying
to
do
traffic
cases
the
way
station,
I'm
not
bragging,
but
an
ice
county
attorney.
I
made
enough
money
to
pay
for
for
three
judges
with
what
we
had
the
weigh
station
coming
in.
J
Of
course,
y'all
have
lowered
the
fines
on
overweight
and
and
whatnot,
but
that
place
is
not
not
ever
open
and
I
don't
know
what
the
purpose
of
having
it
if
it's
not
going
to
be
open
and
staffed,
but
if
you
do
that
our
caseload
will
go
back
up
and
and
we've
got
industry
coming
and
and
what
and
what
not
that's
going
to
increase
henderson
county
tremendously.
J
J
I
learned
this
county
attorney
that
you
it's
sort
of
like
if
you're
doing
rental
property,
you
don't
wait
for
six
months
to
go,
collect
the
rent
you
go
once
a
month.
You
get
it
done
and
when
I
started
this
county
attorney,
we
collected
less
than
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
child
support.
When
I
left
with
collecting
six
million
dollars
a
year,
I
found
out
that
if
I
kept
everybody
on
the
docket
every
month,
but
you
could
come
to
my
office
and
sign
up
if
you
were
up
to
date,
you
didn't
have
to
come
to
court.
J
We
did
the
same
thing
in
district
court
and
created
what
we
call
a
skip
program.
I
collected
more
money
per
capita
than
any
other
judge
in
the
state
and
I
got
criticized
for
collecting
the
court
costs,
but
it
goes
to
the
traumatic
brain,
injury,
trust
fund,
the
spinal
cord
injury
trust
fund.
That
money
goes
to
things
that
I
felt
like.
I
had
a
fiduciary
responsibility
to
collect.
J
J
My
bailiff
took
it
on
himself
to
see
who
did
pay
and
who
didn't
so.
I
could
get
the
people
out.
I'd
handle
150
300
cases
a
day
and
I
could
get
100
people
out
in
an
hour
boom
boom
boom,
but
it
takes
work,
but
that's
how
we
got
that
paid
and
got
it
taken
care
of.
I
did
issue
bench
horns.
I
never
put
anybody
in
jail
for
180
days.
I
might
threaten
it,
but
I
didn't
do
it,
but
that
got
them
back
to
court
when
somebody
and
it
gave
me
an
opportunity
to
help
people.
J
J
A
A
Make
sure
I
there's
been
an
argument
raised.
I
spoke
with
mr
cox
yesterday
about
the
the
age
of
that
data
and
that's
that's
a
a
semi-fair
point.
We
don't
have
newer
data
reported
from
judges,
but
that
is
the
data
that
we
do
have
and
every
judge
in
every
county
reported
that
across
the
state,
including
in
henderson
county
and
in
hopkins
county.
J
J
We're
the
county,
where
we
had
the
murder
double
suicide
that
requires
judges
to
be
available
now,
24
7
for
an
epo
that
was
my
county
okay,
and
so
I
made
sure
first
thing
I
did
in
the
morning
was
go
through
the
e-warrants
and
make
sure
everything
warrant
was
signed
and
taken
care
of.
I.
H
Sure
senator,
I
think
you
on
in
hopkins
county.
We
have
heard
that
one
of
our
judges
did
not
participate
in
the
workload
study.
We
have
heard
from
other
folks
that
both
did,
and
so
there
seems
to
me
to
be
confusion
about
how
the
numbers
were
calculated
or
I'm
no
study
is
perfect.
I
understand
that,
but
there
seems
to
be
confusion
about
in
hopkins
case
specifically.
H
A
H
We
we
don't
understand
or
don't
know
if
one
of
our
district
court
judges
oversees
our
drug
court.
I
don't
know
how
those
numbers
impact.
I
know.
Other
counties
have
a
circuit
judge.
Do
it.
A
A
A
I
think
that
contributes
to
the
workload
of
your
district
judge
or
judges
now
and
judge
if
this
passes,
but
that's
a
problem
that
can
be
remedied.
The
drug
court
staffing
is
another
problem
that
can
be
remedy
and
I
think
those
are
holdovers
from
prior
judges
right.
H
H
H
Some
counties
would
would
say
those
10.
They
take
me
to
the
grand
jury
I
get
indicted
on
10
counts
of
of
cold
checks
in
hopkins
county.
We
would
say
that's
one
case
that
has
10
counts
in
a
county
that
adjoins
us,
they
might
say
that's
10
cases
with
one
count
each,
and
so,
if
we're,
I
don't
understand,
our
bar
doesn't
understand
how
those
discrepancies
are
handled
in
this
study,
and
so
when
we
look
to
we
look
to
christian
to
the
south,
which
currently
has
two
districts,
two
circuits
and
a
family.
H
We
see
they'll
go
to
six
we'll
go
to
three
and
we
don't
see
that
much
difference
in
what
I'm
in
both
courthouses,
not
in
your
courthouse
as
much,
but
your
ours
is
just
as
crowded
as
yours,
the
parking
lot's
just
as
full
as
yours,
and
it
doesn't.
Our
bar
looks
at
that
and
says
we
don't
really
get
how
this
is
happening.
Certainly,
there
are
districts
that
need
judges.
We
I'm
I'm
in
lyon
county.
I
get
it.
H
I
I
get
all
that
I
also
I
appreciate
the
chief's
story
about
pushing
the
rock
I
I
I
get
that,
unfortunately,
that
rock
is
getting
ready
to
roll
through
the
middle
of
our
courthouse
and
we
just
we
are
asking
that
if
we
can
get
a
amended
certification,
I
know
it
was
amended
down
on
the
house
side,
both
as
a
committee
substitute
and
I
think,
a
floor
amendment
to
put
some
judges
back
in.
H
If
they
can
do
it
in
the
house.
I
would
think
that
they
could
do
it
on
the
senate
side
as
well,
and
so
our
ask
is
that
if
we
can't
amend
the
certification
to
keep
ours
while
we
get
better
numbers
because
again
we
don't.
The
survey
is
what
it
is.
I
guess,
but,
but
we
have
issues
with
how
those
numbers
were
calculated.
A
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
appreciate
all
of
you
all
making
the
trip
up
here
and
I
would
have
offered
you
all
to
appear
by
zoom
like
I
offered
them
if
they
wanted
to
save
you.
The
trip,
but
I
know
henderson
county
folks
were
coming
up,
but
I
appreciate
you
making
the
trip
as
I'm
very
familiar
with
it.
A
G
I
appreciate
you
all
letting
us
come
and
talk
to
you
and
I
wanted
to
add
a
few
quick
notes
to
what
mr
cox
had
said
regarding
hopkins
county
specifically
now
judge
mcclure
might
not
necessarily
be
on
the
on-call
list
with
the
district
judges,
but
as
far
as
on
call
with
epos
and
any
family
related
issues,
she
is
on
24
7..
There
is
no
one
else
that
can
come
in
for
that,
so
on
call
why
she
is
in
a
different
on-call
situation.
G
As
far
as
with
the
hopkins
county
attorney's
office
is
which
I
represent
here
today.
There's
going
to
be
a
trickle
effect
is
if
hopkins
county
loses
a
judge,
and
I
believe
I
can
speak
for
everyone
here.
That
says
that
we're
here
in
service
of
our
citizens
of
kentucky-
and
this
is
going
to
be
a
hinder
to
our
specific
citizens
of
hopkins
county
with
the
need
to
serve
justice.
G
It's
going
to
be
an
issue
of
time,
and
you
know,
chief
justice
had
mentioned
the
issue
of
time,
getting
into
court
being
able
to
hear
your
case
and
having
that
opportunity
for
justice
to
be
served.
This
is
going
to
affect
the
way
that
we
serve
justice
in
hopkins
county
if
we
are
down
to
one
judge
that
is
going
to
be,
in
effect,
a
trickle
effect
on
the
way
the
hopkins
county
attorney's
office
is
able
to
serve
justice.
G
If
we
are
trying
to
try
to
push
these
cases
in
a
timely
manner,
we
are
going
to
have
a
hard
time
doing
that
with
one
district
judge,
our
county
attorneys
are
in
court
three
times
a
week
with
a
docket
full
not
getting
out
until
late
in
the
afternoons,
and
that
is
really
going
to
hinder
our
way
of
serving
our
community
to
round
it
out.
You
know,
as
will
cox
had
said,
and
I
believe
everyone
from
henderson
county
we're
not
in
opposition
of
this
bill,
we
believe
in
progress.
G
We
think
that
these
counties
are
in
desperate
need
and
they
do
need
judges,
but
we
do
not
want
to
do
this
in
punishment
of
other
counties
that
are
still
serving
justice
as
well.
So
we
would
ask
that
there
be
some
type
of
amendment
and
we
get
some
teammates
from
our
center.
Our
senate
counterparts
to
help
us
get
with
that
amendment.
To
take
these
counties
out
and
let's
go
forward
with
progress,
but
not
at
the
expense
of
other
counties
is
what
we
are
attempting
to
do
today.
A
Thank
you.
I
I
thank
all
four
of
you
for
your
words
and
your
comments
and
your
representation
of
henderson
and
hopkins
counties
respectively,
and
I
appreciate
that
and
your
senator
robbie
mills
has
asked
about
filing
an
amendment
and
he
might
but
I've
told
him
what
I
told
matt
castle
and
senator
castle
last
year
with
last
year's
redistricting
bill
because
of
sections
112
and
113
in
the
constitution
until
the
court.
A
Unless
and
until
the
court
certifies
a
different
allotment,
we've
got
what
we've
got
and
I
don't
think
we
can
move
something
forward
that
the
court
hasn't
certified.
We
could
change
other
parts
of
the
certification
there's
been.
Some
discussion
was
some
discussion
about
maybe
changing
the
date
that
I
don't
think
is
going
to
happen,
and
the
certification
may
not
apply
to
that.
But
the
number
of
judges
is
strictly
certified
by
the
court
and
I
believe
you
all
have
made
efforts
to
communicate
with
with
the
court
on
that
regard.
I'm
gonna
have
again
thank
you.
A
I'm
gonna
have
the
chief
come
back
up
and
representative
johnson.
We
don't
have
any
more
questions
for
many
members
at
this
time,
but
wanted
to
give
you
on
the
last
word
if
you
have
one.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
A
K
Thank
you
for
the
presentation,
just
214.
I
think
we'll
pass
out
of
committee
today
as
far
as
chronology.
Obviously,
with
the
testimony
there's
continued
need
for
expansion.
K
D
I
don't
I
don't
well.
D
The
history
of
this
has
been
that
we've
been
back
here.
You
know,
year
after
year.
Our
next
on
our
schedule,
you
know
2028,
is
when
we're
to
come
back
with
another
study
up
refresh
the
numbers
go
through
the
process.
You
know
these,
and
so
I'm,
anticipating
that
it'll
be
sort
of
on
that
kind
of
like
you,
you
redistrict
about
every
10
years,
we'll
be
back
in
eight
every
eight
with
our
report.
D
Here's
how
the
way
things
stand,
certainly
there's
nothing
to
prevent
us
from
doing
it
in
the
in
the
interim,
but
the
numbers
would
would
be
refreshed
in
in
that
way
senator.
So
I
I
would
expect
this
this
to
not
be
a
year
after
year
or
every
budget
year
request,
but
more
on
an
eight
year
cycle.
I
would
I
would
estimate,
obviously
if
things
happen
in
the
interim,
you
know
that
make
changes.
Then
changes
can
can
be
made
the
court
the
court
is
committed.
D
The
court
at
this
point
is
committed
and
we
understand
that
the
ball
is
rest
with
us
to
begin
this
conversation,
the
constitution
gave
us
that
that
obligation
to
certify-
and
I
feel
that
obligation
very
strongly,
especially
given
you
know
the
way
things
the
way
things
have
gotten
so
out
of
kilter
now,
with
with
so
some
places
being
so
grossly
underserved
and
some
being
so
grossly
over-served.
K
Yeah
my
reason
for
my
question:
if,
if
hopkins,
if
they're
unable
to
do
some
type
of
amendment,
2024
looks
a
lot
better
than
2028.
D
D
Reason
for
that
yeah-
and
these
are
these-
the
the
judgeships
don't
end.
You
know
under
this
bill
until
20,
you
know
for
for
four
years.
It
gives
these
judges
who
are
running
for
election
now
the
opportunity
to
run
be
elected,
serve
and
find
other.
You
know
ways
of
doing,
and
obviously
there's
going
to
have
to
be
an
adjustment
in
the
business
model.
Bullitt
county
has
gone
through.
This
bullet
went
from
two
to
one.
D
D
We
we
want
there
to
be
efficient
courts
and
we
want
to
help
to
do
that,
and
also
I
want
to
say
this-
these
these
good
folks
from
who
are
our
people
from
hopkins
and
henderson
are
here
if
they've
got
time
and
want
to
want
on
us
to
talk
about
the
numbers
and
why
and
how
they
came
to
be
I'm
going
to
invite
them
back
to
my
office
after
we
finish
here
and
we'll
sit
down
and
we'll
have
a
long
discussion
about
this,
because
I'm
confident
in
the
process
at
this
point,
and
I'm
I'm
I'm
sure,
once
I
can
explain
some
of
these
things,
the
questions
that
were
raised
here
at
the
table,
I
can
answer
and
will
and
want
to
in
fairness,
they
drove
all
this
way.
A
Chief,
thank
you.
Do
you
want
to
have
any
closing
remarks?
Otherwise,
we've
got
a
motion
in
a
second
on
the
bill.
C
L
D
B
A
M
A
M
First
of
all,
I
want
to
apologize
to
the
public
for
all
these
judges
and
people
coming
up
here
and
people
in
jail
and
need
service
to
have
come
up
here.
Second,
in
eastern
kentucky,
we
have
conflicts
of
cases
and
we
have
to
have
special
judges
because
and
to
eliminate
a
judge
in
my
district.
I've
been
in
special
judges
and
went
to
whitley
county
and
drive
for
two
hours
and
what
have
you?
So
it's
not
as
easy,
and
I
understand
the
problems,
but
it's
and
I
I
hope
that
one
comment
about
the
ten
counts.
M
B
A
Bill
is
not
passed
with
favorable
expression,
but
rather
is
defeated
on
a.
Let
me
count
one
two,
three
four,
five,
five
to
one
to
one
vote.
Hopefully
it's
something
we
can
bring
back
up.
Representative
chief
justice,
I
support
it.
I
want
us
to
hear
it
again
and
I
want
us
to
pass
the
bill
out
and
hopefully
we'll
get
a
chance
to
do
that.
I
was
gonna,
make
sure
mark's
about
your
time
here
in
front
of
the
committee,
but
it
looks
like
he
might
be
back.
A
All
right,
I'm
going
to
stress
this
enough.
We've
got
a
bunch
of
bills.
Some
of
them
are
pretty
short.
If
you
had
remarks
planned,
cut
them
in
half
and
we're
going
to
get
as
far
as
we
get
and
whatever
we
don't
get
to
today.
I
hope
I
get
to
another
day,
so
that's
that
house
bill
2
7
excuse
me
215
an
act
relating
to
crimes
and
punishments
sponsored
by
our
friend
representative
chris
fugitt,
who
was
in
here.
A
All
right
and
for
vote
for
those
hanging
around
house
bill
488
will
be
passed
over
today
and
hopefully
taking
up
on
another
day
so
488.
If
you're
keeping
track
in
your
in
your
programs,
all
right,
let's
just
go
in
order
chairman
glad
to
have
you.
A
A
Thank
you.
We
got
a
motion
from
senator.
Excuse
me,
turner.
Second,
from
senator
wheeler.
I
might
have
to
split
you
two
up
on
them
as
amended
by
the
sub.
You
want
to
explain
it.
We're
making
a
change
to
the
incest
statute.
N
Basically,
there
was
a
unintended
consequence
in
the
statute
that
was
brought
to
me
by
the
commonwealth
attorneys.
We've
clarified
that
language
we've
worked
with
chairman
westerfield
to
make
sure
that
it
was
appropriate
and
that
change
has
now
been
made
and
it
will
not
make
it
any
more
difficult
to
prosecute
these
matters,
but
it
will
clean
up
some
loopholes
that
may
have
prevented
some
people
from
being
prosecuted.
A
H
A
Right
bill
passes
with
favorable
expression,
on
a
six
to
zero
vote,
one
down
five
to
go
house
bill
311
and
act
relating
to
felony
mediation.
Again,
we've
got
a
sub
in
the
folders,
and
this
was
my
sub
I'll
make
a
motion
on
it.
Oh,
a
second
from
senator
turner.
This
sub
makes
one
change.
It
requires
that
victims
have
to
consent
to
the
felony
mediation.
A
Second
promotion
from
senator
berg.
Thank
you.
Senator
good
suggestion,
second,
from
senator
wheeler,
all
those
in
favor
of
placing
262
on
the
consent
agenda.
Please
vote
for
saying:
aye
aye!
It
is
done
all
right
back
to
three.
Thank
you
senator.
I
appreciate
that
again.
We
need
to
do
that
on
a
few
of
these
311
again,
my
sub
only
makes
the
change
that
victims
must
consent
to
the
mediation.
N
Certainly
and
I'll
be
very,
very
brief.
Basically
it's
it's
going
on
now
in
our
state
felony
mediation
is
it's
an
opportunity
to
help
clear
some
of
the
docket.
It's
an
opportunity
to
help
people
resolve
their
differences
without
the
cost
and
efforts
of
a
trial,
jury,
trial
or
bench
trial.
A
F
A
Opposed
all
right,
we
got
a
motion
on
the
bill
from
senator
wheeler,
second
from
anyone
from
senator
carroll.
Thank
you
on
the
bill,
as
amended
as
someone
who
did
felony
mediation
when
it
was
brand
brand
brand,
new
and
retired,
or
special
status
judges
presided
over
those.
I
thought
it
was
really
useful
and
helpful
for
both
parties,
both
the
commonwealth,
along
with
the
victim
and
the
defendant,
to
get
a
really
unvarnished
view
of
the
facts
of
the
case
in
their
favor
or
against
them.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
I
don't
know
enough
about
this
to
that's.
Why
I'm
asking
the
question:
if,
if
we're
doing,
if
the
state
is
doing
this,
now
we're
allowed
to
doing
allowed
to
do
this
now,
then,
why
why
311.
N
A
M
A
I,
frankly
speaking,
I
thought
it
would
be
very
challenging
and
and
even
traumatic
for
some
victims
to
be
forced
have
their
case
forced
into
a
felony
mediation
exercise
that
they
didn't
want
to
be
a
part
of
all
right,
see
no
further
questions.
We
got
a
motion
in
a
second
on
the
bill,
as
amended
by
the
sub.
I
believe,
mr
secretary,
please
call
the
roll.
A
A
Second,
from
the
vice
chair
carol,
all
those
in
favor
of
placing
it
on
the
calendar.
Please
vote
by
saying:
aye
aye
those
opposed
all
right
and
on
down
to
we're
going
to
turn
the
page
here
chairman
to
really
complicated
house
bill
523
and
act
relating
to
the
priority
of
purchase,
money,
deeds
of
trusts
and
mortgages.
N
Thank
you,
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee.
I
will
tell
you
that
this
bill
has
been
four
years
in
the
making
many
more
meetings
than
I
anticipated.
We
have
involved
title
companies,
title
attorneys.
N
County
attorneys
bankers
we've
had
all
of
these
groups,
their
chairman
meredith,
was
involved
in
it.
Chairman
petry
was
involved
in
it.
I
was
involved
in
it,
and
we've
had
went
through
this
and
looked
at
it
from
every
in
all
angles.
It
came
down
to
all
of
those
meetings,
came
down
to
a
pretty
simple
change,
which
is
on
lines
24
and
25
of
the
one
page
bill
where
a
purchase,
money,
deed
of
trust
or
mortgage
granted
by
a
purchaser
shall
have
priority
over
a
prior
lien
under
krs
426
or
against
the
purchaser.
N
I
have
brought
people
that
are
much
more
experienced
than
I
to
answer
questions
and
give
any
brief
presentation
they
need
to
on
this
bill.
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
defer
to
my
left
to
give
the
lady
in
the
room
the
priority
and
let
her
speak.
Yes,.
O
I'm
danielle
wilson,
I'm
the
immediate
past
president
of
the
kentucky
land
title
association.
We
are
asking
for
this.
One
line
fix
to
take
us
back
to
the
priority
of
a
purchase
money
mortgage
over
a
buyer's
judgment
lane
prior
to
2017.
This
was
the
custom
in
kentucky
as
it
is
in
the
majority
of
the
states
in
the
u.s.
O
We
are
asking
for
the
judgment
lien
on
a
purchaser
to
to
be
deferred
to
the
purchase
money
mortgage.
So
when
somebody
buys
a
property,
if
that
buyer
has
a
judgment
lane,
they
are
able
to
get
a
mortgage
on
that
property.
As
chairman
massey
referenced.
This
is
an
agreement
with
many
of
the
trade
associations,
including
the
realtors
and
the
bakers,
the
land
title
association.
O
This
does
not
affect
any
seller's
liens
that
are
on
the
property.
This
does
not
affect
local
government
liens,
any
state
tax
liens.
It
is
only
judgment
lanes
against
the
buyers.
M
I
have
a
question
please,
mr
chairman,
if
I
have
a
judgment,
lien
against
a
piece
of
property,
so
the
landowner
can
go
out
and
get
a
mortgage
to
get
the
maximum
amount
of
money
on
it
and
then
the
thoughts
on
that
it
gets
sold.
M
P
Yes,
senator
turner,
the
the
base
of
your
premise
there's
another
step
in
there.
This
is
just
for
purchasers,
so
the
purchaser
doesn't
own
the
property
until
they
buy
it
as
it
stands
right
now.
A
judgment
lien
that
may
that
is
already
in
place
against
a
purchaser
would
jump
ahead
of
the
purchase
money
mortgage
to
be
in
first
priority.
P
So
no
one
can.
When
we
run
titles,
we
have
to
run
the
buyers
as
well
in
order
to
make
sure
there's
no
judgment
liens
on
them
that
otherwise
this
can
nev.
Anybody
has
a
judgment
lane.
Even
if
it's
under
a
a
payoff
or
a
workout,
they
can
never
buy
a
piece
of
property
and
have
the
bank
be
in
a
first
position.
Mortgage.
A
M
The
new
witness,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
judgment
lien
when
you
said
it
just
applies
to
purchasers
so
the.
P
The
lien
will
be
on
the
property;
still
it
would
just
it
would
just
it
just
changes
the
lean
priority.
The
existing
judgment
lien
for
the
purchaser,
goes
from
first
position.
The
way
the
law
is
now
to
second
position
behind
the
purchase
money
mortgage.
This
re-establishes
the
privacy
of
the
of
the
purchase
money
mortgage,
but
it
still
stays
on
that
piece
of
property.
K
You're
good
senator
west
just
further
clarification,
senator
howard
representative
massey,
but
for
the
money
of
the
lender
to
purchase
the
property,
the
purchaser
would
not
have
the
property
that's
correct,
so
in
other
words,
the
creditors
are
pretty
much
protected
because
it's
not
they
don't
have
a
lien
to
begin
with.
So
that's
that's
correct.
Right!
That's
great!
That's.
K
N
A
L
J
A
All
right
bill
passes
with
favorable
expression,
six
to
nothing
motion
from
senator
west
for
consent.
Second,
from
senator
wheeler,
all
those
in
favor,
please
vote
for
saying:
aye
aye,
those
opposed
it
shall
be
on
consent.
This
is
a
friendly
reminder.
I'm
not
going
to
tell
the
house
how
to
do
its
job
would
be
super
if
you
all
have
a
consent.
Calendar.
A
All
right
house
bill
690.
A
All
right,
690.,
thank
you,
690,
an
act
relating
to
the
judicial
council
chairman,
pretty
easy.
N
Bill
this
already
existed
in
statute.
I
didn't
know
that
until
I
became
judiciary
chair
because
the
council
had
not
really
met,
they
were
more
in
an
advisory
capacity.
The
purpose
of
this
council
is
to
give
all
members
that
are
in
this
process
more
input
to
decisions
that
affect
them.
So
this
goes
to
the
makeup
of
the
judicial
council.
We've
conferred
with
district
judges,
trial,
judges,
court
of
appeals,
judge
supreme
court
judge.
N
M
N
A
A
L
B
A
In
favor,
please
vote
by
saying
aye
aye
those
opposed
house
bill,
773,
sir,
relating
to
the
prosecutor's
advisory
council,
which
does
have
a
sub.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
that's.
N
A
You
can
explain
the
sub
because
it's
yours,
okay,.
N
N
With
this
they
helped
they
had
input,
and
actually
there
were
many
changes
made
at
the
behest
of
the
prosecutors
association,
and
this
will
also
the
other
thing
that
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
make
sure
that
the
information
gets
from
here
to
the
anr
chair,
because
we
are
trying
to
work
with
the
prosecutors
advisory
council
on
the
budgetary
needs
of
the
prosecutors
across
the
state.
So.
A
A
B
A
C
A
Aye
bill
passes
with
favorable
expression,
yet
again,
motion
for
consent
by
senator
byrd,
second,
by
senator
wheeler,
all
those
in
favor,
please
vote
for
saying:
aye
aye,
those
opposed
it
shall
be
on
consent,
and
last
but
not
least-
and
it
is
such
a
pleasure
to
have
my
good
friend
and
this
committee's
good
friend,
sarah
beth
gregory
here
on
behalf
of
the
auditor's
office,
I
assume
that.
A
N
You
I'm
going
to
be
very
brief.
This
was
actually
brought
to
me
by
the
county
attorneys,
trying
to
make
sure
that
they
for
fiscal
management
purposes
were
able
to
do
a
few
things
that
would
make
them
more
accountable
for
the
funds
that
they
have
in
their
possession.
One
of
the
things
that's
very
interesting,
too,
is
when
a
county
attorney
leaves
office.
This
assures
that
all
of
the
books,
the
accounts
all
of
that
are
transferred
to
the
successor.
A
A
Hi
bill
passes
with
favorable
expression.
I
believe
the
motion
in
the
second
on
that
bill
was
that
turner
and
wheeler
can.
I
can.
I
show
you
as
that
all
right
the
record
shall
so
shall
my
lord
that's
what
it'll
say
all
right.
Six
to
nothing
bill
passes
with
favorable
expression.
I
should
just
quit
motion
for
consent
made
by
senator
west
and
seconded
by
senator
wheeler,
all
those
in
favor,
please
vote
by
saying
aye
aye
those
opposed
it
shall
be
on
consent.
I.
N
A
You
can
go,
have
one
all
right,
representative,
fugit,
are
you
back
there?
You
are,
I
know
and
we
called
it
earlier.
I
know
people
have
got
to
be
in
other
places.
I
get
it
you're
you're,
all
good,
there's,
no,
no
harm!
No
foul.
Here,
that's
not
true.
There's
lots
of
harm.
There's.
L
P
A
M
A
P
That
is
in,
if
I,
that
that
is
in
the
original
language
of
of
this
statute,
we
didn't
change
any
any.
P
A
L
A
Representative,
I
told
you
I'm
a
no
vote,
but
if
I
vote
no,
this
bill
dies
right
here
and
I'm
not
going
to
do
that
to
your
bill.
I
don't
like
85
percent
for
this.
I
don't
like
mandatory
minimum
language
in
legislation
and
I
don't
appreciate
I
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
dangers
of
these
drugs
that
it
presents
the
law
enforcement
and
to
our
people
into
our
communities.
A
A
If
there
were
other
members
here,
I'd
have
been
a
no
vote,
but
I
don't
want
your
bill
to
die,
but
I
don't
like
it
and
I
didn't
want
to
hear
it.
I,
like
you
a
lot.
A
I
appreciate
that
I
think
it's
probably
got
the
easiest
path
of
any
bill.
I've
heard
this
session
to
passage,
but
it
won't
be
on
consent.
P
You
know
I
heard
the
concerns
of
of
several
folks.
I
met
with
several
different
groups
about
the
bill
and
I
know
that
I
know
the
issues
or
the
concerns.
Are
the
street
level
dealers
being
called
up
and
not
being
able
to
go
to
rehab,
and
so
that's
why
we
took
out
section
two
of
the
bill
just
just
for
that
purpose
or
for
that
reason,
but
I
appreciate
you
not
letting
my
bill
die
or
our
bill
die
representative
reilly
and
others
that
have
worked
on
it
with
me.
A
A
A
All
right,
representative,
bentley
come
on
up.
You've
been
very
patient.
We
have
house
bill
92
an
act
relating
to
the
opioid
abatement
trust
fund
members.
There
is
a
sub
that
I
will
not
be
calling
we'll
get
to
it.
So
we've
got
the
bill
clean
right
here
there
there
are
continuing
to
be
some
discussions
on
a
potential
amendment,
but
that
will
happen
sometime
after
now.
F
In
2021,
the
general
assembly
passed
without
a
single,
nay
vote.
What
was
known
as
hb
427
hb,
a
plan
for
ministering
to
settlement
proceeds
from
the
litigation
against
four
manufacturers
and
distributors
of
opioids
house
bill
427
was
signed
into
law
can
be
found
in
krs,
15.291
and
.293
house.
Bill
92
makes
three
changes
to
krs
15.293.
F
The
first
change
broadens
the
scope
of
settlements,
including
hb
427's
plan,
previously
only
settlements
from
the
four
major
manufacturers
and
distributors
of
opioids
recovered
by
hb
427,
but
there
will
be
future
settlements,
many
of
which
would
stem
from
the
national
opioid
litigation
in
federal
court
in
ohio.
We
want
to
avoid
having
to
create
a
new
bill
every
time
there
is
a
new
settlement.
Consequently,
this
second
change
would
apply
house
bill,
427's
plan
to
any
future
settlements
that
arise
from
this
national
opioid
litigation.
F
Importantly,
we've
spoken
to
our
local
partners.
Keiko
klc
in
their
support
of
this
change
second
chain
states
that
the
plan
created
by
hb
427
applies.
Even
if
the
defendants
declare
bankruptcy,
we
want
to
be
clear
that
any
funds
from
a
bankruptcy
proceeding
will
be
treated
the
same
as
those
from
a
typical
settlement.
Third
change
is
provided
and
comes
as
explicit
requests
to
the
local
government
groups
mentioned
by
house
bill
427.
F
Under
house
bill
427,
fifty
percent
of
salem's
proceeds
go
to
the
state
opioid
abatement
found
at
fifty
percent
of
the
local
governments.
The
local
government's
shares
should
be
distributed
according
to
the
agreement
reached
by
them.
Local
government
leaders
requested
fifty
one
percent
and
that's
what,
since
the
bill,
I'm
now
happy
to
take
questions
and
I
wish
the
house
would
go
back
to
consent,
got.
A
A
motion
motion
from
senator
wheeler,
second
from
the
chair,
any
questions
on
the
bill.
B
H
A
Aye
bill
passes
with
favorable
expression.
I
I
tell
you
what
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
ask
for
a
motion
for
consent,
understanding
that
if
an
amendment
comes
it's
going
to
come
off
consent,
you
don't
want
okay,
then
it
shall
not
be
on
consent.
We
have
an
objection.
So
thank
you,
representative.
Thank
you
guys.
I
appreciate
it.
Thank.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
all
right.
I
I
owe
an
apology
to
kacdl.
They
did
sign
up
to
speak.
I
didn't
I
missed
it
and
I
apologize
phillip
lawson
with
kacdl
is
here
and
he
wanted
to
speak
on
215,
and
I
agree
with
a
great
many
of
his
arguments
on
that
bill.
I'm
gonna
get
it's
voted,
but
I
want
him
to
have
an
opportunity
to.
Q
To
say
all
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you
on
behalf
of
you
know,
kcdl,
my
name
is
philip
lawson,
I'm
the
legislative
agent.
I
know
I
have
not
had
a
chance
to
meet
most
of
you,
but
thank
you
for
taking
a
few
moments
regarding
house
bill.
215
and
I'll
keep
my
my
my
statement
brief
here,
because
I
know
you
all
have
a
lot
of
business.
You
heard
representative
fugate
talk
about
the
increase
from
50
to
85
percent.
I
would
ask
if
you
know
after
listening
my
comments
today,
please
check
your
email.
Q
I
sent
an
email
around
yesterday,
giving
some
statistics
and
giving
some
numbers
hard
numbers
regarding
the
changes
from
the
50
to
85
percent,
especially
when
it
comes
to
comparison
to
our
federal
system.
I
do
a
lot
of
federal
criminal
defense
work.
I'm
a
criminal
justice
act
panel,
both
for
the
sixth
circuit,
as
well
as
the
eastern
district
of
kentucky,
and
our
point
is
with
this
bill.
Is
we
don't
disagree
with
the
underlying
premise
of
house
bill
215?
Q
In
that
you
know,
fentanyl
traffickers
definitely
need
to
be
punished
or
I
think
senator
cyrus
once
said
warehoused.
We
don't
disagree,
that
is
a
completely
dangerous
drug.
We
understand
that
we're
not
arguing
with
that
point.
Our
point
is,
is
that
our
current
sentencing
at
50
percent,
when
you
put
it
in
combination
with
the
persistent
felony
offender
statute,
is
extremely
severe
already,
especially
when
you
compare
to
our
federal
sentencing
guidelines
and
federal
statutory
minimum
sentencing
scheme.
Q
I'll,
give
you
an
example,
for
instance,
our
first
time
offenders
under
the
importing
statute,
which
is
essentially
trafficking
at
the
federal
level.
As
you
know,
importing
does
not
have
a
quantity
level,
it's
one
gram
at
the
federal
level,
if
somebody
were
to
be
caught
as
a
first-time
offender
trafficking,
one
gram
of
fentanyl,
they
would
be
looking
at
a
sentencing
range
of
10
to
16
months
in
terms
of
a
sentence
and.
A
Q
Correct,
yes,
I
sent
and
there's
a
chart
that
I'm
referring
to
that's
right
and
I
spent
you
know
quite
a
bit
of
time
just
trying
to
crunch
some
numbers
so
that
this
committee
members
can
see
the
difference
in
straight
facts.
This
is
not
hyperbole.
This
is
just
crunching
numbers
to
see
the
difference
and
it
really.
When
you
look
at
those
you,
you
see
a
a
big
difference.
Q
Let
me
just
go
back
to
what
I
was
saying
in
terms
of
if
you
look
at
your
first
time,
offender
on
a
porting
you're,
looking
at
10
to
16
months
under
our
federal
system,
currently
under
current
law,
50
percent,
your
parole
eligibility
is
30
to
60
months.
So
that's
your
range
if
this
increases
to
85
you're
looking
at
52
to
102
months.
Q
So
that's
a
big
swing.
Okay,
even
from
our
current
law,
from
30
to
52
on
the
low
end
60
months
to
102
months,
that's
your
first
time
person
with
one
gram
of
fentanyl
convicted
of
importing,
but
I
would
also
like
to
you
know,
raise
some
issues
in
terms
of
how
the
pfo
works.
Q
That
is
a
drastic
move
and
let
me
just
say
one
last
thing
in
terms
of:
I
guess
the
difference,
because
I
know
you
guys
are
busy
I'll
just
say
this
one
one
point
on
the
aggravated
trafficking
continuing
along
this
line.
Q
Q
A
Give
me
just
a
second:
I'm
gonna
call
up.
A
A
Second,
from
senator
wheeler,
I
think
I
heard
first
and
mr
secretary,
we
got.
A
L
Yeah
senator
schroeder.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
mr
chair.
I
know
you
know
this,
but
just
for
the
audience
sake.
I
had
a
visitation.
So
yes
apologize
for
the
no
apologies,
but
I
do
have
a
question
so
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
Question
basically
comes
down
to
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
feedback
about.
You
know
how
howell
has
decided
counting
looking
at
cases
and
everything
else,
and
I
know
you
know
for
our
own
redistricting.
We
just
look
at
the
population
and
for
the
congress
supreme
court.
Everything
else
we
just
look
at
population.
C
Yes,
sir,
I
will
generally
say
that
it's
based
upon
a
request
from
the
general
assembly
for
a
workload
study
by
the
administrative
office
of
the
courts,
and
I
I
will
let
laurie
introduce
yourself
and
answer
in
more
detail.
But
generally
it's
a
it's
a
study
based
on
workload,
not
population
and
workloads
change
and
shift
somewhere
along
the
lines
of
population,
but
not
exactly,
and
with
that
I'll.
Let
laurie
introduce
herself.
R
Senator
schroeder,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Laurie
givens
with
the
aoc.
It
is
based
on
a
weighted
caseload
study.
It's
a
model
that
the
national
center
for
state
courts
has
developed
in
over
40
states
and
it's
been
utilized
there.
It's,
for
example,
a
traffic
case
might
take
two
minutes,
but
obviously
a
felony
criminal
trial
is
going
to
take
weeks.
So
it
takes
all
of
this
into
consideration.
There
was
some
testimony,
I
think,
a
little
confusion
about
the
time
study.
L
Mr
chair,
just
a
quick
follow-up.
Yes,
sir,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
explanation
going
to
the
actual
number
of
cases.
One
of
the
concerns
I've
heard
is
that
in
some
jurisdictions,
when
you
have
multiple
co-defendants,
you'll
treat
that
as
one
case
rather
than
let's
say,
there's
you
know
four
co-defendants
rather
than
treat
those
as
four
different
cases.
The
judges
treat
it
as
one
and
then
like
a
b
c
and
d
has
that
been
factored
in.
R
So
what
we
are
able
to
do
is
make
sure
that
the
case
counts
are
the
same
in
every
jurisdiction
that
the
way
say
campbell
county
is
counting.
Trailer
numbers
is
the
same
way
that
christian
county
is
counting
trailer
numbers.
So
I
know
that
is
a
concern
that
some
folks
have.
I
think,
when
we're
able
to
sit
down
and
talk
to
them
and
explain
how
it's
counted,
keep
in
mind
also
when
the
time
study
happened,
those
judges
were
counting
the
time
in
those
cases,
and
we
had
multiple
defendant
cases
then.
L
L
A
L
A
R
A
A
We
have
two
more
bills:
one's
really
short
and
one's
a
little
bit
longer,
but
I
think
we
can
do
them
both
house
bill
402,
I'm
gonna
do
first,
representative,
deanna,
frazier
gordon,
has
been
very
patient
back
here
in
the
back,
and
so
is
representative
dodson,
but
402's
first
of
these
last
here-
and
I
know-
we've
got
a
guest
here
representative-
no
need
to
tell
you
how
short
you
got
to
be.
Okay,.
C
Thank
you,
chair
house,.
G
A
H
A
To
nothing
motion
for
consent
from
wheeler
and
second
and
from
turner
all
those
in
favor,
please
vote
for
saying,
aye,
aye,
aye
great
those
opposed
shall
be
on
consent.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
I
also
know
that
representative
lawrence
is
here
too
we're
going
to
do
them
both
house
bill.
319,
representative
johnson,
you
got
the
floor
quick
before
we
lose
a
quorum.
P
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
members
of
this
committee.
I'm
ryan
dodson,
representative
of
the
73rd
house,
district
and
house
bill
319
is
a
strong
bipartisan
measure
that
deals
with
violence
using
a
family
pet,
and
so
with
that
being
said,
I
know
we're
time
crushed
for
three
decades.
Research
has
focused
on
the
link
between
domestic
violence
and
abuse,
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
have
our
statutes.
A
A
L
L
A
S
L
Thank
you,
chairman
members
of
the
committee
house,
bill
216
will
simply
add
domestic
violence.
Centers.
Q
To
the
krs
508.075
that.
L
Is
under
domestic
terroristic
threatening
I'm
sorry,
I
have
a
guest
here,
christy
burch
from
our
local
ion
center.
She
works
in
a
domestic
violence
center.
If
she
would
like
to
introduce
herself
quickly,
we've.
A
A
A
S
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
was
out
of
the
room
when
votes
were
taken
on
house
bill,
92,
215,
262
and
311,
and
I
wish
to
be
recorded
as
a
yes
vote
on
each
of
them.
S
M
I
vote
on
hospital
214.