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A
All
right,
we
will
bring
this
our
second
natural
resource
committee
meeting
to
order
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
role.
A
A
We
have
three
things:
we're
going
to
try
to
cover
today
and
and
allow
them
enough
time
to
do
a
good,
thorough
job
for
for
the
presentation
and
the
questions.
So
we're
going
to
start
off
with
senator
rick
gerdler
he's
going
to
be
discussing
his
senate
bill,
so
senator
girdle,
if
you
want
to
come,
take
the
table
and
then,
if
you
and
your
guests
will
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
and
we'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
C
Thank
you,
chairman
smith.
I
appreciate
you
allowing
us
to
be
able
to
present
our
bill
to
you
today.
I
have
to
my
right
one
of
the
biggest
farmers
in
pulaski
county.
His
name
is
joel
wilson
and
if,
if
you
live
in
pulaski
county,
you
know
all
about
him
because
he's
got
the
best
strawberries
in
the
whole
world,
so
he's
he's
one
of
ours
that
supplies
us
with
plenty
of
about.
C
May
I
start
looking
for
joel
so
and
that's
the
reason
for
the
bill
is,
is
somebody
like
joel
and
he'll
he'll
be
able
to
share
with
you
more
than
I
will,
but
the
bill
is
basically
what
we
are
asking
and
I'm
glad
that
you
let
me
go
before
senator
hornbach,
because
senator
hornbach
probably
knows
as
much
or
more
about
this
than
I
do
would
be
him
being
the
big
farmer
that
he
is
so.
I
do
appreciate
that,
and
I
did
ask
him,
would
you
allow
me
to
if
they
ask
a
tough
question?
C
You'll
answer
it
for
me
so,
and
I
want
to
apologize
to
senator
turner
and
senator
wheeler
yesterday
for
economic
development
now
y'all.
Forgive
me
all
right
good.
Then
we
can
proceed
then
the
the
bill,
basically,
is
this.
I
learned
from
joel
about
what
what
he
was
having
to
entail
with
water
bill,
and
I
might
add,
joel-
could
have
went
about
around
this
law.
C
Basically
because
he's
on
the
board
at
the
western
place,
county
water
district-
and
he
knows
all
about
the
water
side
of
it
and
but
his
bill.
Just
in
june
of
last
year
for
water
irrigation,
40
grand
they
got
up,
they
got
a
notice
that
they're,
probably
gonna,
go
up
any
somewhere
in
the
near
20
percent.
C
A
C
C
And
in
his
situation,
if
that
bill
goes
to
50
000,
I
pay
15
a
gallon
for
strawberries.
I
want
to
pay
20
25
a
gallon
for
strawberries.
C
When
I
go
to
the
grocery
store
today,
I'm
paying
a
whole
lot
more
money
for
beef,
I'm
paying
a
whole
lot
money
for
all
the
things
we're
getting
and
we're
getting
it
all
the
way
down
to
at
the
grocery
store.
So
I
told
joel,
I
would
present
a
bill
that,
like
they
do
in
electricity,
that
a
bulk
rate
that
we
could
maybe
buy
it
on
a
cheaper
level
for
them
that
anybody
that
grows
food
products.
C
C
We
would
like
to
be
able
to
work
out
a
way
to
where
the
his
bill
wouldn't
be.
So
among
us.
Can
I
let
joel
share
a
little
bit
with
you
about
what
he
deals
with
very
intelligent
farmer.
D
Sit
down
joe
welcome
it's
on.
Okay,
basically,
just
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background.
I
raise
like
rick,
says:
strawberries
also
raise
produce.
We
have
a
lot
of
dairy
farmers,
cattle
farmers
duru
to
certain
regulations.
The
last
few
years,
a
lot
of
people
that's
producing
food
has
had
to
rely
upon
municipal
water
on
account
of
fisma,
which
is
the
I
don't
know
the
correct
wording,
but
it's
a
new
federal
mandate
that
anybody
that's
growing
food.
D
You
have
to
have
your
water
tested
or
you
have
to
use
a
municipal
type
of
water,
that's
potable
on
any
water
that
touches
your
produce.
Also,
the
waters
of
the
usa
act
is
a
lot
of
our
farmers
has
had
to
cut
the
branches
off
where
the
cattle
was
watering,
even
a
natural
spring,
and
either
put
in
some
type
of
holding
system
or
hook
onto
the
water.
D
I
don't
have
the
ability
to
dump
into
a
spring
or
a
creek
or
anything
like
that.
The
amount
of
water
that
I
use,
I
just
couldn't,
do
it
the
process
of
building
a
pond.
I
couldn't
build
one
big
enough
to
take
care
of
what
I
need
and,
like
rick
said,
I
serve
on
the
water
board
during
western
plaza
county,
and
we
received
notice
last
year
from
the
psc
that
we
was
going
to
have
to
raise
our
rates.
D
Our
water
company
is
a
profitable
water
company,
but
due
to
certain
regulations-
and
we
got
word
of
the
day-
it's
basically
going
to
be
a
little
over
19
increase
and
our
bill's
getting
high
enough.
It's
come
to
the
I've
got
to
make
the
choice
to
either
cut
back
or
quit.
I'll
be
honest
with
you
and
just
to
give
you
an
instance.
We
grow
16
acres
of
strawberries
and
that's
probably
10
to
15
percent
of
the
total
production
state
of
kentucky.
So
there'll
be
a
lot
of
people
mad
at
me.
D
If
I
don't
have
strawberries
in
the
future,
but
it's
affecting
all
the
a
lot
of
smaller
producers
and,
like
I
say,
there's
a
lot
of
the
dairy
farmers,
beef
farmers,
it's
finished
and
animals
out
poultry,
whatnot,
that's
relied
on
water
and
it's
just
one
way
that
maybe
we
can
help
all
farmers
out.
Not
just
me.
Even
if
I
quit
today.
I'd
still
like
to
see
the
farmers
get
a
break
on
some
of
the
input
costs,
joe.
A
We
have
a
couple
of
questions
from
some
of
our
members,
senator
gerdler.
If
you
would
entertain
those
yes,
senator
wheeler
you'll
go
first.
E
Please
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
want
to
say
I'm
very
sorry
that
the
federal
government
is
taking
these
types
of
actions,
which
I
mean
it's
amazing.
How
much
that
the
the
long
arm
of
washington
has
really
destroyed
american
productivity
on
so
many
levels
being
in
in
manufacturing
industries
all
the
way
down
to
farming,
and
it
it's
truly
a
shame.
E
I
guess
one
concern
that
I
do
have,
and
I
and
I
I'm
generally
supportive
of
the
bill
here.
To
what
extent
would
the
other
ratepayers
within
that
particular
water
system
have
to
bear
any
increases
as
a
result
of
a
water
board,
for
example,
granting
free
water
to
a
larger
commercial
operation?
C
I
don't
know
the
exact
numbers
on
this
and
I
see
tom's
going
to
be
next
the
the
thing
about
this.
We
allow
the
water
association
to
choose
whether
they
want
to
do
a
free
or
do
it
to
reduce
price,
and
if
the
water
association
is
in
financial
trouble
or
financial
sure,
then
we
allow
them
not
to
be
not
to
do
this.
C
Okay,
we're
not
saying
you
have
to
do
this,
we're
saying
if
you
have
the
means
that
you
don't
have
to
pass
that
on
to
the
the
free
or
the
reduce
rate
to
the
farmer,
so
it's
based
upon
their
needs
or
what
they've
profit
wise
now
joel,
you
may
be
able
to
answer:
if
not
that's
no
problem,
the
the
thing
about
what
would
it
entail
if
they
go
up
on
20
on
everybody
and
you're
stayed
at
the
rate
today?
Would
it
would
the
rates
go
up
dramatically
for
the
rest
of
them,
for.
E
D
D
Now
and
like
say,
it's
I've
talked
to
some
other
growers
across
the
state,
and
you
know
they've
asked
me
about
it
and
everything
to
me.
It's
left
up
according
to
the
bill,
and
that's
why
I
asked
rick
to
write.
It
is
if
the
water
district
or
the
municipality
is
not
in
the
financial
position
to
do
it.
They
don't
have
to
and
we
do
not
want
to.
You
know,
raise
bills.
I
will
say
this:
I've
been
on
the
water
board
for
10
years.
Water
is
a
very
profitable
business.
D
If
you
run
it
right
and
we
do
not
need
this
increase
that
they're
given
making
us
do.
Our
engineer
told
us
other
day
the
increase
that
we're
going
to
have
to
put
on
the
other
cons.
Everybody
is
going
to
increase
our
profits,
approximately
700
000
a
year.
We
don't
need
to
be
making
that
kind
of
money
off
of
the,
but
you
know
when
somebody
said
you
got
to
do
it.
You
got
to
do
it,
but
I
would
not
ask
you
to
put
any
municipal
water
in
you
know
in
financial
problems,
because
they
don't
need
it.
E
And-
and
I
think
so
essentially
what
you're
saying
is
it's
going
to
be
a
local
control
thing
and
obviously,
if
the
water
board,
which
is
usually
controlled
by
the
fiscal
court
and
which
is
accountable
to
the
voters,
felt
that
this
was
becoming
a
drain
or
a
burden
to
the
taxpayers,
they
could
take
appropriate
action.
Yeah
one.
C
Thing
I'll
add
here:
real
quick
joel
since
he's
had
the
this
farm
his
water.
Did
you
tell
me,
I
understood
that
it
was
over
a
million
dollars
since
you've
been
doing
this
since
2003
yeah
a
million
dollars
so.
A
Anyway,
senator
wheeler
is
at
the
end
of
your
questions,
I'm
curious
when
you
you
know
he
mentioned
earlier
about
utilities,
obviously
to
recruit
large
consumers,
electricity,
they
they've
got
several
tools
and
and
their
shed.
If
you
will
to
incentivize
that
and
they've
got
economic
dollars
and
stuff
that
they
can
actually
put
in
to
help
foster.
You
know
people
to
use
their
product
is
there.
This
could
be
an
economic
development
issue,
I'm
thinking
if
you've
got
you've
been
around
this
long
and
you've
got
other
employees.
A
Have
you
looked
at
other
economic
development
dollars
or
grants
to
help
offset
what
your
costs
may
be
on
the
utility?
Does
the
utility
board
offer
incentives
for
large
consumers?
Obviously
a
large
company
or
something
to
come
into
the
region
for
economic
development
would
be
a
consumer
and
we'd
like
to
have
as
many
of
those
as
we
could.
So
you
think
there'd
be
something
in
there,
maybe
to
incentivize
more
people
using
their
their
product.
Is
there
any
opportunities
for
your
operation
to
use
those
or
utilize
those?
I.
D
Haven't
really
looked
into
it,
but
I've
not
come
across
it.
I'll
put
it
that
way,
be
honest
with
you,
there's
not
a
lot
of
people,
that's
really
ready
to
jump
into
farming
and.
C
There
is
a
in
the
eastern
part
of
placer
county,
they
opened
up
apple
harvest,
I
think,
and
my
nephew,
which
is
speeda,
which
was
the
previous
senator
chris
girdler,
sent
me
a
big
picture
of
photo
and
they've
got
the
building
built,
and
so
in
that
situation
I
don't
know
if
the
they
worked
out
a
deal
water,
association-wise,
electricity
or
whatever,
but
it's
going
to
have
to
have
tons
and
tons
of
utilities
too.
So
I'm
assuming
that,
yes,
they
probably
would
jump
on
it
in.
A
F
Sure
ken
senator,
can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
got
you
loud
and
clear,
great
well
good
morning,
committee
members,
tom
fitzgerald,
former
director
of
the
kentucky
resources
council
now
and
I
am
merely
senior
staff
and
and
on
the
way
out
the
door.
First,
I
want
to
thank
senator
gerdler
for
taking
time
yesterday
we
had
a,
I
think,
a
very
good
conversation.
F
I
really
appreciated
him
explaining
the
genesis
of
the
bill
and
the
the
concerns,
and
I
am
not
unsympathetic
because,
as
you
know,
members
of
the
committee,
a
lot
of
the
folks
that
we
work
with
at
the
council
are
folks
on
fixed
incomes
or
folks
with
low
incomes
who
are
facing,
in
a
smaller
sense,
the
same
issues
that
senator
girdler's
constituent
is
facing
regarding
rising
water
bills
and
and
I'm
not
unsympathetic
at
all,
with
the
with
the
fact
that
it
is
putting
a
particular
strain
on
those
who
are
using
a
lot
of
water
in
the
ag
sector
and
and
elsewhere.
F
I'm
appreciative
also
that
the
bill
is
not
mandatory,
but
I
feel
that
that
there
will
be
if
it
is
possible
to
provide
free
and
reduced
rates
preferentially
to
this
sector.
In
a
bill
that,
historically
of
this
part
of
the
law,
has
always
been
limited
to
firefighting
into
non-profits
that
there's
going
to
be
folks
lining
up
to
want
to
get
similar
breaks
for
for
their
sectors,
whether
it
be
a
commercial
or
industrial
sector.
F
My
concern,
and-
and
we
talked
about
this
yesterday
in
my
conversation
with
thank
you
gerdler,
the
cost
of
of
of
providing
the
utility
service
is,
is
spread
among
the
rate
payers
and
there
are
certain
revenue
requirements
that
the
utilities
have
the.
It
is
true
that
the
public
service
commission,
because
they
believe
that
a
number
of
water
utilities
and
pulaski
water
districts
may
not
be
among
them,
have
not
been
maintaining
rates
that
are
necessary
historically
to
meet
the
infrastructure,
needs
the
operation
and
maintenance
needs
of
the
systems.
F
F
My
concern
is:
is
with
providing
preferential,
free
or
reduced
rates
that
those
revenue
costs
and
those
revenue
needs
will
be
met
somewhere,
and
invariably
they
will
be
shifted
to
other
ratepayers
at
a
time
when
their
costs
are
increasing,
even
though
per
capita
use
in
many
cases
is
declining
because
those
system
costs
have
to
be
met
and-
and
while
I
I
would
fully
support
economic
development
measures
that
would
help
to
provide
either.
F
You
know
no
interest
loans
or
ought
to
spend
down
some
of
the
impacts
on
the
ag
sector,
because
there
is
no
sector
that
is
more
critical
to
to
the
health
of
this
commonwealth.
F
I
am
concerned
that
that
the
shift
of
cost
to
this
a
pool
of
ratepayers,
rather
than
including
the
cost
into
the
product
and
having
it
spread
among
the
larger
consuming
public
will
be
of
an
adverse
effect
on
those
other
rate
payers
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
but
that
that's
the
main
concern.
It's
not
that
I,
I
don't
think
there's
merit
to
to
recognizing
the
the
concerns
of
the
impact
of
rising
water
bills
on
this
sector,
but
it
is.
F
It
is
a
pain
that
all
of
the
sectors
and
residential
customers
are
are
suffering
and
invariably,
if
a
district
or
an
association
or
a
water
utility
were
to
adopt
free
or
reduced
rates,
those
costs
would
be
shifted
to
the
other.
Ratepayers.
A
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
There's
also,
you
know
another
side
to
this
as
well,
and
it's
the
same
thing.
Energy
sees
as
as
businesses
close
up
and
move
out
of
a
region
which
you
saw
in
the
coal
fields
as
those
businesses
closed
those
coal
mines
closed
and
that
consumption
of
power
is
done
back
on
the
market.
A
That
also
increases
people's
rates,
and
what
I'm
saying
is
if
your
business
decided
to
move
to
another
location
where
the
rate
was
more
profitable
when
you
packed
up
and
moved
out
of
this,
this
county
or
district
to
another
area,
then
that's
also
going
to
be
a
lot
of
gallons
that
would
have
normally
been
covered
by
that.
That
will
now
be
displaced
and
have
to
be
wound
back
into
the
program
and
that
could
also
cost
taxpayers
additional
money
now
to
pick
up
the
loss
of
you
leaving.
A
So
this
thing
kind
of
goes
both
ways:
we've
seen
what
happens
when
you
have
the
wind
down
and
have
a
lot
of
companies
close
and
and
leave.
What's
happened
in
the
economy
with
that
surplus
power
gets
pushed
over
to
the
consumer,
so
I'd
much
rather
have
the
problem.
A
You
could
have
a
lot
of
strawberry
farmers
over
there
in
center
girdler's
district,
so
I
think
we
have
to
take
it
into
consideration
that
it
could
affect
the
ratepayers
either
way
with
I'd
rather
bet
on
you
succeeding
and
growing,
and
maybe
creating
an
economic
empowerment
zone
over
there,
where
you've
got
a
lot
of
people
wanting
to
farm
in
that
region
because
of
economic
opportunities
that
make
it
competitive.
A
G
Well,
I
do
have
a
special
guest
for
me
today.
My
son,
abram
castling,
is
up
with
us,
and
agriculture
is
near
and
dear
to
our
heart,
because
we
both
live
on
a
farm.
I
want
to
just
bring
a
little
bit
of
attention
to
this,
because
sometimes
we
get
stuck
on
the
word
free,
pretty
easy,
and
you
know
those
that
is
already
an
existing
language,
and
so
when
it
talks
about
free
or
reduced
rate
services-
and
we
bounce
over
here-
and
we
look
at
the
agriculture
sector
that
we're
adding
this
to
anybody.
G
That's
been
on
a
farm
or
around
the
farm.
Right
now
knows
the
cost
almost
outweigh
the
profit
and
every
type
of
commodity
or
livestock
is
being
produced
across
this
country
right
now
and
what
makes
the
united
states
the
strongest
nation
in
the
world
is
the
fact
we
have
the
most
abundant
food
supply
and
we
look
at
kentucky.
Sometimes
farmers
don't
get
the
attention
that
they
deserve
because
they
come
to
committees
like
this
as
an
individual,
not
as
a
big
organization,
not
as
a
group
of
people.
G
But
if
you
look
at
the
amount
of
volume
that
this
one
particular
farm
is
using
as
a
business
guy,
we
always
give
customers
a
better
rate
when
they're
using
more
volume,
because
your
profit
goes
up
when
people
are
using
more
one
single
customer,
and
so
I
think
the
utility
commissions
have
the
ability
to
negotiate
this
and
work
it
out
in
this
particular
matter,
and
I
support
it
for
that
reason.
So,
thank
you.
H
H
We
created
about
water,
water
districts,
a
lot
of
those
struggling
with
the
focus
on
martin
county
and
others
that
have
had
him
an
exodus
of
service,
payees
and
and
failing
infrastructure,
and
how
to
best,
accommodate
and
remedy
those
that
are
already
failure
and
to
prevent
failures
and,
like
you
stated
earlier,
management
is
very
important
and
try
to
craft
something
to
maybe
the
state
is
somewhat
responsible
for
failure
to
manage
the
management
and
and
try
to
address
those
issues.
H
I
look
at
this
bill
and
I'm
you
know,
as
I
feel
the
pain
in
agriculture
with
senator
castle
said.
H
You
know
fertilizer
rates,
all
these
other
rates
and
federal
impacts
and
global
impacts
that
we
can't
control
and
it's
important
to
make
this
part
of
a
balanced
approach
to
how
we
deal
with
agriculture
and
our
water
resources
and
protect
this
particularly
the
small
producers
and
encourage
those
small
producers
and
young
farmers
that,
like
you,
said
it's
hard
to
get
into
agriculture
and
farming
now
on
any
level,
whether
it's
a
food
or
crop
or
animal
or
crop.
H
I
I
would
like
to
explore
this
issue
further,
and
I
do
understand
that
it
is
not
mandated.
However,
I
I'm
sitting
here
thinking
about
the
tysons
in
the
world
and
in
our
situation
as
beef
cattle
producers
now,
where
the
money's
going
as
far
as
profits
and
and
how
to
avoid
more
corporate
major
corporate
grab
in
this
and
because
they're,
the
ones
that
yield
the
political
pressure
and
have
political
power
and
sometimes
drive
policy.
That's
not
always
good
for
our
small
meeting
producers.
H
So
I'd
like
to
look
at
it
further
and
make
the
bill
maybe
better
and
add
protections
to
keep
abuse,
because
this
could
be
right
for
abuse
with
the
proper
water
board
and
major
corporate
entity,
and
I
would
like
to
protect
our
smaller
farmers
and
producers
in
in
that
regard,
and
I
think
this
bill
has
some
potential
for
abuse.
So
I
I
have
a
few
concerns,
even
though
it's
well
taken.
Thank
you
all.
I
Thank
you.
I
likewise
might
not
have
entirely
questioned
it's
a
couple
of
thoughts
and
I
want
them
to
be
addressed,
but
I
don't
know
if
you
have
answers
right
now.
I
One
of
them
is
where
we
can
currently
the
current
list
of
people
that
we
can
give
free
reduced
rates
to,
and
I
understand
the
conversation
we're
having
right
now
today
about
strawberries,
but
I
feel
like
there
are
a
number
of
other
things
you
could
sit
here
and
say
well,
this
is
also
affects
our
daily
livelihoods.
This
is
also
an
economic
development
issue.
I
At
least
50
percent
of
its
operational
expenses
doesn't
get
these
special
rates
unless
they're
in
one
of
these
groups
here,
which
includes
this
this
group
here
so
to
senator
webb's
point,
I
don't
see
anything
in
here,
that's
actually
protecting
our
small
independent
producers.
I
I
see
nothing.
I
I
would
like
to
see
a
little
bit
more
we're
going
to
be
about
small
farmers
and
let's
say
that,
instead
of
having
it
loop
every
possible
person
in
here
and
if
we're
about
small
business,
that's
not
necessarily
just
farmers,
then
let's
say
that
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
say
here,
but
I
think
everybody's
on
the
same
page,
the
idea
of
helping
make
these
things
work,
but
I
think
the
language
doesn't
get
there.
Thank
you.
A
I
J
I
think
if
you
look
at
subsection
two
as
the
other
centers
referred
to,
we
give
free
reduced
rates
to
a
number
of
people
in
clinton,
including
the
united
states
and
charitable
and
other
things,
and
I
think
the
first
language
it
says
upon
obtaining
commission
approval
is
the
very
protection
that's
needed
in
this,
like
all
of
them
are
and
giving
it
to
the
local
people
to
determine
pulaski
county
specifically
to
determine
its
own
water
rates,
and
those
people
are
accountable
and
it's
it's
independent
that
it
doesn't
apply
to
the
any
any
other
group
that
doesn't
want
to
do
it.
H
E
Mr
chairman
explain
my
eye
vote.
Please
do
I
do
want
to
move
this
along
and
I
and
I
absolutely
hope,
our
small
producers
out
like
the
gentleman
you
have
there
with
you.
I
do
share
some
of
senator
webb's
concerns
about
the
tysons
major
conglomerate
producers.
E
Potentially
taking
advantage
of
this,
I
would
like
to
see
it
maybe
tightened
up
a
little
bit
before
we
take
a
final
vote
through
a
four
amendment
or
something
maybe
put
a
limit.
If
they
have
a
you
know,
adjusted
gross
income
of
you
know
less
than
a
certain
amount
of
money
so
that
we
don't
give
huge
breaks
to
these
massive
corporations.
E
But
I
like
the
concept,
I'm
all
about
helping
our
small
farmers,
and
so
I
am
going
to
vote
eye
to
get
it
out
of
committee.
A
Yes,
I
mean
explain
my
vote.
I
vote
I
as
well.
I
think
that
kentucky's
produce
is
the
best
and-
and
we
need
to
know
that
that
when
you
need
help
that
you
can
come
to
the
state
and
have
somebody
that's
gonna
hear
what
you
have
to
say
now.
A
C
I
I'm
willing
to
work
even
with
the
senator
webb
or
senator
wheeler,
or
anybody
to
make
the
bill
better,
but
the
main
object,
the
main
reason
we
have
this
field.
C
We
can't
keep
going
to
the
grocery
store
and
paying
20
and
30
and
40
more
and
like
tom,
and
I
talked
yesterday,
they're
gonna
get
they're
gonna
pay
for
it
one
way
or
another,
and
so
therefore,
if
we
can
and-
and
I
didn't
realize
this,
their
their
our
the
his
water
district
of
my
water
district-
that
I
live
in
is
very
profitable.
C
A
Welcome
all
right
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
ask
senator
hornbach
to
to
come
up
to
the
table
and
any
guests
that
you
have
to
come
with.
You
senator
hornbach
they're
welcome
to
come
to
the
table
and,
as
you
know,
just
have
everybody
identify
themselves
for
our
records
and
we'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
K
K
Chairman,
it's
okay:
it's
making
every
switch
bill,
we
start
on.
Do
you
have
a
preference,
okay,
we'll
just
go
to
senate
bill
54
first
and
senate
bill
54
talks
about
the
kentucky
association
of
conservation
districts
and
all
this
bill
does,
and
I
do
have
an
amendment
coming
to
it,
but
all
this
spill
does
is
set
a
minimum
age
for
being
able
to
file
and
run
for
that
board.
I
will
say
that
it
sets
that
age
at
21
right
now
there
is
no
age.
K
I
will
tell
everybody
that
there
is
a
person
from
scott
county
is
that
right,
shane
we
have
a
gentleman,
a
young
gentleman
from
scott
county
who
is
17
years
old
in
my
minutes.
It
will
just
clarify
that
this
in
no
way
since
he
was
elected
to
that
board.
This
will
in
no
way
take
him
off
that
board,
but
that,
from
here
forward
from
the
enactment
of
this
bill
forward,
you
would
have
to
be
21
to
file
and
run
for
this
sport.
K
This
gentleman
is
now
17,
I
think,
has
served
on
the
board
for
a
year,
so
more
than
likely
when
he
is
when
his
four-year
term
is
done,
he
will
still
only
be
20
years
old,
and
I
know
the
senator
from
scott
has
some
concerns
about
this.
We've
addressed
his
concerns
and
I
don't
know
if
alan
or
shane
you
all
want
to
add
anything
to
it.
L
I
would
just
say
that
kacd
is
a
grassroots
organization,
and
this
this
came
to
our
attention
as
a
resolution
from
one
of
our
counties
and
and
we
brought
it
forward
and
and
senator
hornbach
has
been
working
with
us
to
move
this
forward.
K
A
K
Thank
you
all
the
sub
does
is
just
clarify
in
two
different
places.
It
does
it
on
page
two
at
the
bottom
page,
two
and
then
again
on
the
bottom
of
page.
Four
just
clarifies
that
this
in
no
way
makes
this
gentleman
ineligible
to
completely
serve
his
four-year
term,
and
that's
all
it
does.
H
Page
one
line
fourteen.
L
Yeah,
that's
that's
on
a
on
a
different
point
that
has
to
do
with
how
we
appoint
candidates
for
the
soil
and
water
commission.
L
What
we
ran
into
during
covid
was
a
determination
that
we
had
to
have
a
quorum
consisted
of
over
50
percent
of
the
super
soil
conservation
supervisors
in
that
area
at
physically
at
that
meeting,
or
on
a
zoom
meeting
that
becomes
very
difficult
to
do.
L
So
what
we're
proposing
there
is
that
we
change
it
to
allow
kacd
to
nominate
candidates
to
the
soil
and
water
commission
using
their
bylaws,
and
then
they
submit
those
to
the
governor
and
and
the
cabinet
for
selection.
It's
really
a
minor
change.
We
basically
essentially
would
continue
to
do
things.
The
way
we've
always
done
them
so.
J
I
A
K
At
the
same
time,
senator
53,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you.
Committee
members,
senate
bill.
53
comes
up
over
an
issue
that
came
up
with
the
conservation
districts
and,
as
most
of
you
all
are
out,
most
of
you
all
are
out
representing
rural
areas
of
the
state,
and
one
thing
conservation
districts
have
always
done
is
is
trying
to
help
out
the
smaller
farmers,
the
young
farmers
and
one
way
we
do.
K
K
Is
that
correct
and
we've
been
doing
it
pretty
much
the
same
way
since
1948's
worked
very
good
all
those
years
finance
cabinet
last
year
and
not
to
say
that
finance
was
wrong,
but
their
interpretation
was
a
little
bit
different
and
that
we
were
not
doing
things
according
to
statute,
mr
chairman,
so
some
changes
need
to
be
made
or
the
program
would
have
to
come
to
an
end,
and
so
that's
what
we
have
done
in
this
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
shane.
K
L
The
equipment
revolving
loan
began
in
1948
and
the
reason
really
for
that
to
take
place
was
as
conservation
districts
were
formed
and
they
started
doing
conservation
work
in
rural
kentucky.
They
discovered
that
they
didn't
have
the
equipment,
the
necessary
equipment
to
do
a
lot
of
those
projects.
Waterways
build
ponds.
What
have
you
so?
The
initial
appropriation
was
in
1948,
the
assem
general
assembly
has
appropriated
about
1.85
million
dollars
to
that
fund.
L
It's
been
a
very
successful
program
over
the
60-year
life
we've
loaned
about
62
million
dollars
to
about
2
000
different
individuals
and
we've
had
a
loss
over
the
60
years
of
56
000.
So
that's
a
been
we're
very
proud
of
the
way
this
program
has
been
run.
There
has
been
sweeps
of
the
money
we
have
been.
We
have
paid
back
about
four
million
dollars
out
of
that
fund
over
the
years
and
the
way
it
works
is
a
a
conservation
district
actually
takes
the
loan
from
the
commission.
L
L
The
reason
for
needing
a
some
an
operator
is
a
lot
of
this
equipment
is
specialized.
You
can't
just
rent
it
out
to
anybody.
L
L
If
you're
building
waterways,
you
need
a
dozer
operator,
that's
that's,
that's
been
trained
and
know
how
knows
how
to
use
that
equipment
and
for
some
reason
they
did
decide
that
it
that
we
didn't
need
to
be
long,
making
loans,
two
contractors
and
we
wanted
to
get
that
fixed
because
it's
been
a
very
successful
program
over
the
years
now.
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
bill.
Do
we
have
any
questions
make
sure
we
got
everybody
senator
webb.
H
J
Yes,
salmon
water
commission,
they
track
the
revolving
loan
fund
and
there's
a
list
of
what
loans
are
out
there.
H
I'd
like
to
have
one
as
usual:
I'm
always
looking
out
to
see
if
my
region
has
parity
in
in
these
programs
and
if
there's
a
problem
with
either
the
number
of
applications
or
the
allowance
for
those
applications.
So
I'd
just
like
to
have
that
information.
I
love
the
program.
I
think
it's
great.
I've
always
supported
it
and
I
don't
funds
I'll
just
put
that
on
the
record
too
so,
but
I
would
like
to
have
more
information
on
that.
K
And
we'll
get
that
to
you,
thank
you.
Senator
webb
and
I
think
you'll
be
pleasantly
surprised.
I
think
if
anything,
your
district
is
probably
overly
represented.
H
Know
about
it,
it
is
a
good
program
and
it
serves
a
a
valuable
need,
and
this
committee,
as
well
as
a
r
needs
to
hear
you,
know
the
success
of
that
program.
It's
been
a
very
well
managed
program.
So
thank
you
all
thank.
A
I
And
I
would
like
to
thank
the
sponsor
for
bringing
that
I
also
want
to
register
with.
The
sponsor
committee
needs
to
be
doing
this
for
a
number
of
other
groups
that
have
other
equipment,
because
I
have
a
constituent
that
if
we
could
get
the
tree
cutting
equipment
shared
between
the
state
and
the
local
and
all
this,
I
would
probably
not
be
able
to
get
him
to
quit.
Hugging
me
so,
please
consider
replicating
this
in
other
places.
Thank
you.
A
Oh
and
I
yeah
looks
like
it's
unanimous:
your
bill
passes.
We
appreciate
you
all
coming
in
front
of
our
committee
at
this
time
as
we
wrap
up.
Do
we
have
any
other
members
that
have
anything
that
need
to
be
brought
before
our
committee
at
this
time.
Seeing
none,
I
need
a
motion
for
adjournment
motion.
Second,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
sign
of
eye.