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C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
committee,
members
and
and
good
afternoon,
I'm
here
to
talk
about
senate
bill
224
and
what
this
bill
addresses.
It
just
applies
a
local
mandate
to
a
police
and
a
fire
retirement
fund.
That's
really
operated
wholly
within
the
lexington
urban
fayette
county
government
I
have.
I
am,
I
forgot
to
introduce
myself,
I'm
senator
don
douglas
district
22.
My
apologies,
mr
chair.
D
E
Sorry
about
that
keith
horn
with
the
lexington
fayette
urban
county
government.
This
is
a
bill
primarily
that
the
board
of
trustees
for
the
police
and
firefighter
pension
fund
in
lexington
is
requesting
mostly
the
technical
cleanups
and
then
the
final
section
of
it
relates
to
the
old
city
of
lexington
pension
fund.
That's
a
closed
fund
and
as
those
members
mature,
it's
getting
harder
to
have
people
run
for
election
to
serve
on
the
board,
so
that
technical
change
just
permits
the
mayor
to
make
appointments
to
that
board
as
the
fund
slowly
closes.
F
E
A
G
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
happy
to
present
senate
bill
4
today
to
the
committee
senate.
Bill
4
is
a
priority
bill
and
I
wish
senator
higdon's
not
here,
but
I've
got
in
my
comments
here.
This
is
a
good
government
bill,
so
I
know
how
centric
didn't
likes
good
government
bills.
This
creates
a
process
for
public
input
and
legislative
review
of
all
executive
orders
filed
by
the
governor
and
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
some
some
bullet
points
of
the
bill.
I
I
guess
before
I
start
I
will
give
some
background
regulations
flow
through
my
committee,
administrative
rig,
review
committee
and
they're
mandated
by
senate
bill
2
that
we
filed
and
passed
last
year,
but
executive
orders
as
it
as
it
goes
now.
They
kind
of
hang
out
there
for
a
while
and
they
they're
they're
unable
to
be
reviewed,
lack
of
opportunity
for
public
comment
at
times,
and
so
all
this
does.
This
doesn't
really
infringe
on
the
power
of
the
governor.
I
So
it
establishes
that,
upon
an
executing
executive
order,
a
governor
shall
categorize
the
order
within
one
of
eight
categories
and
shall
number
the
executive
shall
number
them
in
such
a
way
that
expresses
the
year
in
which
it
was
filed.
And
then
the
governor
has
to
file
that,
with
with
the
secretary
of
state
and
the
executive
order,
is
not
effective
until
he
files
it
with
the
secretary
of
state
and
he
can
file
it
whatever
day
he
wants.
He
or
she
wants.
They
can
file
that
go
ahead
and
file
that
and
it'd
be
considered
effective.
I
The
secretary
of
state
shall
forward
a
copy
of
the
executive
order
to
the
director
of
lrc
within
two
working
days
of
receiving
the
order.
The
co-chairs
of
the
lrc
shall
refer
the
order
to
either
a
house
or
senate
standing
committee,
and
then
those
committees
are
allowed
to
review
review
the
order.
I
The
lrc
staff
shall
draft
legislation
prior
to
each
session
for
introduction
in
the
house
and
senate
relating
to
each
executive
order
that
had
been
objected
to,
since
the
general
assembly
was
last
in
session,
so
that
provision
of
the
bill
kind
of
follows.
Existing
administrative
reg
process-
and
so
we
administrative
reg
review
committee.
I
We
we
can't,
we
don't
have
the
power
to
stop
an
executive
order
or
regulation
per
se,
but
we
can
find
that
deficient,
put
it
on
a
list
to
give
to
the
legislature
and
then,
when
the
legislature
comes
back
in,
they
can
act
on
that
deficient
administrative
rig.
This
is
basically
the
same
process.
It's
just
executive
orders.
Instead
of
regulations,
it
requires
the
governor
to
provide
a
list
of
all
executive
orders.
I
Governors
shall
identify
orders
that
remain
in
effect
and
those
that
he
or
she
repeal,
because
they
are
unnecessary
when
a
governor
leaves
office,
all
executive
orders
except
those
filed
pursuant
to
krs
61
520
shall
expire
90
days
thereafter.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Senator
west.
Are
you
aware
of
any
place
in
current
law
that
details
which
executive
orders
currently
stand
for
the
test
of
time?
Which
ones
are
the
ones
that
expire
after
the
year
or
without
ratification
by
the
general
assembly?
Like
delineates,
the
types
of
executive
orders.
I
Senator
southworth,
I
may
be
showing
my
ignorance,
but
I
do
not
know
a
place,
an
existing
statute
that
details
that
that
list
I
do
know
we
have
resolutions
that
we
pass
that
will
have
lists
of
regs
or
list
of
regs
and
orders
that
we
find
null
and
void
or
by
passage
of
that
resolution.
We
we
allow
these
to
proceed
and
we
pull
some
back.
So
we
have
a
kind
of
a
hodgepodge
of
resolutions
that
deal
with
these
things,
but
I
don't
know
of
one
specific
place
and
statute
where
they
all
reside.
J
A
J
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
couple
of
things
you
know
one.
You
stated
this
doesn't
infringe
on
executive
power.
I
think
it
does,
and
and
look
there
are
some
executive
orders
filed
by
governor
bevin
that
I
disagreed
with,
and
you
never
saw
us
introduce
legislation
to
erode
the
governor's
executive
authority.
That
is
the
executive
branch
power.
Even
though
on
one
of
them
we
had
to
come
in
here
and
pass
the
statue
to
clean
it
up,
because
what
his
executive
order
did
with
the
university
of
louisville
was
in
violation
of
statute.
K
But
when
you
say
this
doesn't
infringe
on
executive
authority
one,
it
requires
the
executive
to
do
a
few
more
steps
and
then,
of
course,
when
it
says
on
page
three
of
the
bill
that
if
the
general
assembly
rules
on
this
and
votes
against
an
executive
order,
it
actually
prohibits
the
governor
from
adopting
an
executive
order
that
is
identical
to
her
substantially
the
same
as
the
executive
order
being
declared
void
for
a
period
of
one
year.
That
is
a
current
erosion
of
executive
power.
Isn't
it.
I
I
would
submit
that.
That's
that's
a
power
that
we,
as
the
legislature
already
have
we.
This
does
not
allow
us,
during
the
interim
period
as
a
legislature,
to
rule
on
an
executive
order.
However,
when
we
come
back
into
session,
we
can
vote
to
make
any
executive
order
null
and
void.
Really,
I
mean
that's:
that's
within
our
purview
as
legislative
branch.
Well,.
K
He
took
the
university
of
louisville
board
of
trustees
from,
I
believe,
17
to
10..
When
the
statute
said
it,
it
shall
have
17
members.
We
had
to
come
in
and
clean
that
up,
so
uofl
could
keep
its
accreditation
that
got
rid
of
the
executive
order.
Even
today,
with
the
bill
signing
of
senate
bill
6
a
priority
bill
that
started
as
an
executive
order.
Now
the
law
is
what
supersedes
that
executive
order
and
it's
there
so
that
we
know
there's
permanency
to
it.
K
I
Well,
we
can,
and
just
just
fyi
I
was
on
the
phone
with
the
executive
brands
this
morning
and
I
told
them
they
asked
to
be
involved
in
this
process
and
this
morning
was
the
first
time
I'd
heard
from
them,
and
I
said,
that's
no
problem.
I
think
this
is
may
pass
out
of
committee
today,
but
my
door
is
open
if
you
have
suggested
changes.
I
So
the
intent
is
that
from
this
bill-
and
we
can
talk
about
language
in
here
if
you
won,
but
we
would
have
to
pass
some
type
of
statute
to
find
any
executive
order
null
and
void.
We
have
to
do
that
now,
but
there's
nothing.
There's
no
intent
in
here
to
pull
that
back.
We
would
still
have
to
pass
through
both
chambers
some
type
of
statute,
finding
that
executive
order
no
and
void.
I
I
would
suggest
we
do
that
all
the
time
in
our
legislation
in
our
budget,
you
know
for
a
period
of
one
year.
You
can't
do
this
or
that,
so
we
could
possibly
argue
about
that
or
split
hairs
about
that.
But
it's
it's
not
my
intent
for,
for
there
not
to
be
a
statute
associated
with
the
pullback
well
and.
K
I
guess
that
gets
me
because
I
took
I
did
take
one
issue
with
something
you
said
about.
This
allows
for
more
transparency.
All
executive
orders
are
incredibly
transparent,
whether
it's
from
a
republican
governor
or
democratic
governor
there.
They
must
be
made
public
to
be
an
executive
order,
filed
fully
transparent
available
to
the
public.
K
The
legislature
does
have
the
power
to
come
in
and
legislate
over
executive
orders.
That's
why
executive
orders
they're
meant
to
be
issued,
but
we
as
a
legislative
body,
are
ultimately
the
policy-making
body.
I
don't
see
how
this
bill,
then,
what
is
it
doing.
I
I
would
agree
with
you
that
currently
executive
orders
are
transparent,
so
the
general
public
can
see
what
that
executive
order
is
that's
exactly
right.
However,
this
would
be
before
they
get
to
my
committee,
the
administrative
ex
committee.
You
you
got
a
little
bit
of
a
lapse.
There's
there's
30
60
day
period
in
there.
What
this
bill
would
do
is
allow
for
public
comment.
K
It's
not
even
a
question
just
comment
on
the
bill.
I
I
think
that,
right
now
the
interim
committee
hearings
can
hear
any
topic
they
want
to.
We
can't
vote
during
the
interim.
This
seems
to
be
a
direct
reaction
to
this
governor
and
an
attempt
to
strip
away
executive
power,
and
I
I'm
happy
to
work
with
you
on
it.
I
want
the
legislature
to
be
the
policy-making
body,
but
that's
what
this
bill
seems
to
be.
A
K
G
J
Putin,
yes,
you
know,
I
think
it's
fairly
clear.
I
I
really
don't
care
who's
sitting
in
the
office
right
this.
Second,
I
had
an
executive
order
from
1992
that
I
had
hunt
down
and
had
been
redone
since
19
well,
in
another
case,
an
executive
order
from
1964
that
I
had
hunt
down
and
is
it's
like
heirlooms.
J
They
pass
them
from
office
to
office,
except
they
don't
pass
them.
Staff
shows
up
first
day
and
we
are
on
these
boards
and
they
don't
exist
and
we
have
to
go,
hunt
them
down,
and
so
I
think,
the
part
of
this
bill
that
says
we
need
to
get
these
on
the
record
and
then,
secondly,
they
need
to
expire
and
they
need
to
get
into
some
kind
of
you
know
we
have
a
code
for
a
reason.
J
Some
of
the
parts
of
this
bill
do
make
me
a
little
concerned
as
far
as
what's
good
long-term
public
policy.
But
overall,
I
think
it's
definitely
definitely
a
good
move
and
we
need
to.
We
need
to
have
these
things
off
the
books
instead
of
floating
around
and,
if
they're,
really
that
great,
then
let's
just
put
them
in
permanently.
Thank
you.
G
M
M
We
began
working
on
house
bill
351
long
before
recent
events
in
western
kentucky
reminds
us
of
the
importance
of
planning
for
situations
in
which
vital
city
records
may
be
lost
or
damaged.
This
legislation
puts
in
place
options
to
replace
information
when
a
local
government
makes
a
good
faith
effort
to
replace
or
recreate
a
lost
damage
or
destroyed
record.
This
includes
tampered
records
and
those
that
lost
that
are
lost
through
ransomware
or
cyber
attacks.
M
G
L
As
representative
frazier
talked
about,
the
committee
sub
simply
adds
what
we
thought
we
had
covered
in
the
original
bill.
We
have
had
some
nice
colorful
situations
where
post-election
a
city
clerk
may
go
out
and
take
the
records
to
the
dumpster
and
not
happy
that
their
candidate
didn't
win.
We
really
have
had
dumpster
fires
with
city
with
city
records.
I
want
to
be
clear
that
this
bill
does
not
allow
this
use
of
this
affidavit
process
on
tax
records.
L
It
does
not
permit
that
on
anything
that
has
to
be
filed
related
to
elections,
where
you
need
original
documents.
Those
are
all
excluded
in
the
in
the
bill.
It
would-
and
this
only
applies
where
you
have
a
state
law-
that
mandates
a
filing
by
a
city
or
county
government
with
the
state
government
and
would
allow
this
process
which
details
which
is
detailed.
It's
not
just
make
it
up,
make
it
up.
As
you
go
along
hey.
G
I
G
G
D
H
House
bill
335
is
important
legislation
that
follows
up
with
house
bill
7,
which
created
the
advisory
council
for
recovery-ready
communities
house
bill
335
clarifies
how
a
governor
appoints
some
representatives
to
the
council.
It
requires
the
governor
to
select
from
a
list
of
three
names
submitted
by
organizations
that
have
representatives
on
the
council.
H
We
selected
these
organizations
to
be
part
of
the
council
because
of
their
role
in
the
recovery
process
house
bill
335
ensures
those
organizations
have
a
say
in
who
represents
them.
I
want
to
clarify
that
we
have
no
issues
with
with
anyone
currently
serving
on
the
council
and
all
current
appointees
on
the
recovery.
Ready
advisory
council
will
continue
their
terms
until
january
1st
of
2023.
G
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
aware
that
this
is
not
the
first
time
this
has
happened
in
state
statute,
where
associations
and
lobbying
organizations
have
appointments,
and
but
the
list
of
three
names.
For
example,
I
mean
we've
got
a
city
manager
or
mayor
there's,
really
a
thousand
of
those
in
the
state
and
we're
gonna
narrow
it
down
to
three
names
and
the
governor's
gonna
have
to
choose
those
three.
J
D
Very
limiting
it's
actually
consistent
with
other
boards.
There
are
several
boards
that
we
have
this
same
appointment
authority
to
kentucky
retire,
kentucky
public
pensions
authority,
the
infrastructure
authority,
the
several
other
boards
these.
When
we
ran
the
statutes
these
are
actually,
there
are
only
three
boards
that
are
left.
Thank
you.
D
There
are
only
three
boards:
animal
control,
advisory
board,
geographic
info,
advisory
council,
infrastructure
authority,
libraries,
archives,
public
transportation,
school
safety,
board
transportation,
center
kentucky
wireless-
I
mean
several.
So
what
happened
was
we?
We
ran
the
statutes.
We've
had
a
couple
issues.
D
D
What
is
here
are
two
two
boards
that
were
left
off
and
one
is
the
kentucky
law
enforcement
council
because
it
just
says
a
mayor
and
so
the
governor
just
appointed
a
mayor,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
it
is
a
process
collaborative
process
and
that
we
are
able
to
submit
three
names.
So
it's
consistent
with
the
just
as
we
submit
for
the
rest
of
the
the
other
boards
that
we
go
through
the
same
process.
J
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
that
explanation.
I
just
want
to
register
that
it
may
or
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
the
lobbying
organization
needs
to
submit
their
name.
I
think
a
mayor
is
a
little
bit
looser
than
that,
and
so
I
don't
see
it'd
be
one
thing
if
the
statute
said
a
a
submission
from
the
kentucky
league
of
cities
and
we
specified
they
shall
submit
three
names,
but
that's
not
what
this
says,
and
so
I
think
this
is
a
bigger
leap
than
it
sounds.
G
A
G
I
vote
I
house
bill
335
passes
and
same
should
move
on
to
the
senate
floor.
Eight
two:
three.
Thank
you,
representative
bowling.
G
Next
is
representative
branscom
I'll
see
him
in
the
back.
If
you
want
to
move
forward.
N
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
committee
members
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
with
you
today
to
discuss
house
bill
399
this
bill
broadens
when
and
how
citizens
can
comment
on
local
government
spending,
priorities
of
state
funds
received
through
local
government
economic
assistance
funds
and
municipal
road
aid
funds.
N
Hospital
399
allows
for
those
citizen
comments
at
a
time
that
may
be
more
convenient
for
the
citizens
when
they
can
address
several
issues
simultaneously.
Instead
of
requiring
a
specially
called
public
meeting
city
officials
tell
us
that
usually
no
one
attends
these
public
hearings,
however,
citizens
will
often
attend
their
regularly
scheduled
council
or
commission
meeting.
N
The
measure
also
addresses
municipal
audits.
Current
law
permits
an
exemption
for
annual
audits
of
cities
with
no
long-term
debt
that
take
in
or
spend
less
than
75
000.
This
bill
raises
that
exemption
threshold
amount
to
150
thousand
dollars
and
just
for
reference.
That
amount
has
not
been
raised
since
1996..
N
D
Allowing
cities
to
hear
public
comments
on
these
regular
funds
or
regular
public
meetings
instead
of
requiring
a
special,
separate
hearing,
benefits
our
citizens
and
our
municipalities.
It
allows
citizens
an
opportunity
to
be
more
engaged
in
the
local
government
process
because
regularly
scheduled
counsel
or
commission
meetings
cover
various
topics
instead
of
just
addressing
those
specific
use
of
funding.
Additionally,
our
cities
would
not
have
the
extra
expense
of
advertising
and
holding
a
special
meeting
that
often
has
no
attendance
by
requiring
a
local
government
to
provide
public
notice
of
the
opportunity
to
comment
on
state-funded
projects.
D
We
ensure
that
these
residents
know
when
they
can
address
that
topic.
Around
30
cities
would
fall
under
the
current
audit
exemption
by
receiving
and
spending
less
than
seventy
thousand
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
increasing
the
spending
limit
to
less
than
one
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
adds
another
27
cities.
D
This
would
be
the
first
time
since
1996
and
26
years
that
the
general
assembly
has
changed
that
exemption
level.
The
bill
adds
a
new
requirement
for
attestation
engagements
for
our
cities
that
claim
the
exemption
for
four
consecutive
years.
In
that
regard,
it
adds
a
new
level
of
accountability
for
cities
that
have
not
had
an
independent
assessment
for
their
financial
statement.
For
several
years,
many
of
our
cities
have
struggled
to
find
auditors
to
complete
their
reports
within
the
current
statutory
time
frame.
G
G
E
G
G
A
L
O
The
kentucky
league
of
cities-
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
hearing
house
bill
453
in
which
it
will
protect
public
assets
while
ensuring
transparency
house
bill
453,
provides
local
governments
the
same
protection
currently
in
statute
for
the
state
when
selecting
a
successful
bidder.
O
I
feel
is
important
to
stress
that
we
have
worked
with
the
kentucky
press
association
when
drafting
this
bill
and
that
any
documents
discussed
in
this
bill
are
subject
to
the
open
records
act.
Jd
chaney,
with
the
kentucky
league
of
cities
is
here
to
provide
more
details
on
this
important
piece
of
legislation.
L
I'll
reemphasize,
the
point
that
we
collaborated
extensively
with
the
kentucky
david
thompson
john
fly
shaker
and
michael
abadi,
with
the
kentucky
press
association
to
to
craft
this
piece
of
legislation
that
codifies
what
you
all
approved
in
senator
alvarado
senate
bill,
150
that
we've
been
operating
in
and
the
attorney
general
opinions
that
have
come
about
video
teleconferencing
meetings.
L
This
would
make
that
permanent
we've
seen
increased
participation
by
the
public
in
meetings
as
a
result
of
that
with
doing
video
teleconferencing,
it
ensures
the
public
has
access
to
those,
as
well
as
the
media,
which
was
very
important
to
to
to
the
press.
Association,
obviously
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
J
You
have
a
question
about
this
on
bottom
of
page
four,
going
into
page
five,
it
talks
about
specifically
not
having
more
than
two
executive
sessions
for
conducting
a
performance.
Evaluation
of
the
city
manager
seems
extremely
specific
in
a
fairly
broad,
covering
law.
So
can
you
explain
what
world
happened?
Why?
Why
are
we
picking
this
one
thing
out.
L
Yes,
ma'am,
yes,
senator
southworth
this.
That
section
only
amends
the
statutes,
that's
applicable
to
city
governments
that
are
organized
under
the
mayor
or
under
the
city
manager
form
of
government.
There
are
19
of
them
in
kentucky.
L
If
I'm
really
pressed,
I
can
name
out
all
19,
but
I
can
tell
you
henderson
winchester
newport
in
this
committee,
pikeville
all
organized
under
that
city
manager,
former
government
richmond
bowling,
green
they're
all
organized
there
and
what
the
city
attorneys
association
came
to
us
with,
and
the
mayors
in
those
communities
came
to
us
with
was
an
issue
with
being
able
to
have
a
candid
discussion.
L
Those
city
managers
in
that
form
of
government
report
to
five
people
that
board
of
commissioners,
and
they
can't
have
a
a
candid
discussion
about
a
performance
evaluation
without
that
being
open
unless
they
want
to
do
so.
Senator
southworth
under
the
auspices
of
saying
that
that
performance
evaluation
discussion
would
lead.
I
left
off
covington
I
saw
senator
mcdaniel.
There
would
lead
to
the
appointment
or
discipline
or
termination
of
the
individual.
L
Well,
not
every
performance
evaluation
discussion
is
going
to
lead
to
the
discipline
or
termination
of
that
city
manager,
and
it
says
if
there's
a
record
created
it
goes
out.
So
in
working
with
the
press
association,
we
had
at
first
proposed
to
provide
a
broader
exemption
for
any
circumstance
where
that
occurs,
and
the
press
associated
with
association
was
much
more
comfortable
with
us,
narrowing
it
in
just
applicable
to
that
city
manager,
form
of
government.
G
Yeah
and
I'll
I'll
echo
on
that
I
mean
it
was
always
on
our
city,
commission.
It
was
always
unusual
to
have
to
have
make
a
motion.
That
said,
you
know
you're
going
in
for
a
review
of
the
city
manager
and
it
made
it
sound
like
that.
You
were
getting
ready
to
firing,
so
it
created
some
stress
any
other
questions
or
concerns,
if
not
emotion
will
be
in
order.
Okay,
with
a
motion
from
senator
thayer,
second
from
senator
alvarado,
oh
first,
the
first
motion
was
wheeler.
Second,
was
senator
alvarado,
madam
clerk,
please
call
the
roll.
D
G
G
Yes,
and
let
me
make
sure
that
the
announcement
was
made
at
the
beginning,
that
senate
bill
212
were
passing
over
that
may
show
up
in
a
future
agenda
if
there
are
not
any
other
items
before
the
agenda.
We
stand
adjourned.