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A
A
So
I
ask
you,
as
you're,
making
an
explanation
to
please
be
aware
that
that
there's
going
to
be
a
limited
amount
of
time
for
us
to
get
through
as
many
bills
as
we've
got
today.
So,
let's
get
started.
You'll
join
me
with
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
know
you
got
a
lot
going
on.
There
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
today.
There
is
a
committee
sub.
D
Yes,
mr
chairman,
I'd
I'd
like
to
move
to
enter
a
senate
or
senate
committee
substitute
to
hb
392.
A
C
I'd
like
to
let
my
guests
introduce
themselves
for
the
record,
if
you
don't
mind.
E
C
C
We
had
the
sighting
board,
it's
been
putting
some
things
in
place,
but
we
didn't
have
a
lot
of
consistency
to
what
we
were
asking
of
the
solar
companies
coming
into
the
state.
The
two
priorities
when
I
first
started
talking
about
this
was
to
give
some
consistency
to
the
industry
that,
when
they
came
in
and
applied,
there'd
be
some
minimum
state
statutes
that
you
would
have
to
abide
by
and
the
main
one
of
those
was
on
the
decommissioning
and
on
the
bonding.
C
I
was
very
concerned
about
our
landowners
that
making
sure
that
they
were
being
treated
fairly
up
front
and
then
in
no
way
would
they
be
liable
for
any
cost
of
decommissioning.
There
might
be
so
we
set
up
a
bonding
program.
That's
reviewable,
every
five
years
that
the
companies
would
be
responsible,
so
the
companies
would
be
responsible
for
anything
that
we
might
have.
Mr
chairman,
you
come
from
the
energy
sector
of
the
state.
C
You
worked
with
that.
You
understand
the
liabilities
that
the
state
has
incurred
over
the
years
because
of
not
the
good
cleanups
and
and
we
we
want
to
make
sure
that
didn't
happen
once
again
in
the
solar
industry.
A
Yes,
we
have
a
motion
on
the
bill
already
and
we
have
a
second.
I
think
so.
You
can
keep
talk
if
you
want
to,
but.
A
But
I
know
there's
some
some
conversations
and
a
few
questions.
I
will
again
I'm
gonna
have
to
restrict
our
stuff
for
being
short.
So
if
you
have
a
question
right
now,
I
saw
senator
southwood.
H
C
Not
anything
it's
different
in
that
this
is
a
new
committee
sub.
In
fact,
I
just
had
the
last
committee
sub
drafted
yesterday.
We,
the
the
committee
sub
we
had
a
week
ago
we
met
on
that.
We
took
information
on
that,
took
recommendations
on
that.
We
had
a
big
meeting
last
week
with
all
the
solar
providers
and
all
those
are
interested,
keiko
klc
farm
bureau.
C
We
implemented
most
of
their
recommendations,
not
all
but
most
of
our
recommendations
we
implemented
and-
and
we
came
up
with
what
you
see
before
you
today,
which
is
pretty
much
a
strip
out
392
and
the
senate
language
from
69
inserted
in
its
place.
G
A
A
I'm
going
to
explain
my
vote
so
what
what
we've
done
is.
We've
got
senator
hornback's
bill
that
he's
worked
on
over
the
summer
and
we
have
taken
the
house
bill
which
is
branson's
bill
and
we've
taken
the
the
content.
Out
of
that,
we
put
senator
hornback's
work
into
this
to
send
it
over
to
to
the
floor
of
the
senate.
A
I
did
have
a
chance
to
talk
to
the
representative
branson
this
morning
and
he
still
feels
like
there's
room
to
work
on
the
bill
and
I
think
that's
probably
going
to
happen.
So
I
think
the
the
intent
here
for
those
of
you
that
still
have
questions
and
that's
a
work
in
process-
is
that
this
will
go
on
to
the
senate
floor.
I
think
that
they'll
it'll
come
out
of
the
senate
and
then
be
sent
over
to
maybe
free
conference.
So
there's
still
going
to
be
some
room
in
there
for
people
that
feel
like.
A
Maybe
the
process
has
gone,
you
know
one
more
time,
so
there
will
be
time
to
work
on
it
and
I
think
he'll
have
time
to
to
present.
You
know
things
that
he's
still
working
on
to
be
fair
to
him.
So
with
that
I
vote,
I
and
so
house
bill
392,
as
amended
with
the
committee
substitute
having
the
expression
that
the
same
shall
pass.
So.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
A
A
A
See
I'm
already
counting
you
in
there,
commissioner
storm.
I,
like
the
sound
of
that
senator's
name.
I
My
senate
bill
217
is
in
response
to
a
house
measure
that
was
previously
brought,
and
since
the
original
bill
you'll
find
a
committee
substitute
in
your
packet
that
has
gone
through
several
renditions
through
the
process,
as
they
usually
should,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
have
met
with
a
lot
of
stakeholders.
I
I've
met
with
the
sponsor
of
the
house
bill,
some
sportsmen's
groups
and
other
individuals,
including
you
know
some
fish
and
wildlife
run
a
few
things
by
them
and
I
feel,
like
you
know,
it's
not
probably
not
a
perfect
bill,
but
it
does
solve
some
of
the
issues
that
we're
facing.
A
So
we
have
a
second
second,
all
those
in
favor
sign
of
eye
opposed.
Likewise,
just
one
to
make
sure
you
have
that
so
you're
speaking
to
the
side.
I
Yes,
I
appreciate
that
and
I'm
just
gonna
briefly
I'm
sort
of
old
school.
I'm
gonna
briefly
hit
the
highlights
and,
and
then
we'll
be
here
for
any
questions
and
some
of
these
issues-
I
you
know
growing
up
with
fish
and
wildlife
and
it
being
one
of
my
attachments
so
to
speak.
The
a
couple
of
these
issues
that
were
brought
are
things
that
I
think
have
needed
to
happen
for
a
long
time.
It's
not
a
response
to
anything
recent
or
anything.
I
So,
and
so,
if
you,
I
want
to
press
my
my
bill
and
remarks
in
that
light,
the
first
provision
of
the
build
section,
one,
the
new
language-
allows
the
department
to
do
procurements
on
their
own,
but
subjects
them
to
the
protocols
of
45a
and
also
maintains
that
the
government
contract
review
committee
reviews
subject
to
review
all
personal
service
contracts,
tax
incentive
agreements
and
moas.
I
That's
important
in
the
process,
of
course,
and
everything
is
always
subject
to
audit
and
pairing
three
all
members.
We
are
codifying
that
all
members
of
the
commission,
the
commissioner
and
employees
of
the
department
shall
be
subject
to
the
requirements
of
the
executive
branch
code
of
ethics
and
under
chapter
11a.
I
So
we're
codifying
that
and
then,
if
you
move
on
to
section
three
on
page
six,
this
is
the
autonomy
move.
It's
still
going
to
be
attached
to
tourism
for
administrative
purposes,
but
we,
I
feel
and
and
others
feel
like
it's
very
important
for
them
to
have
the
flexibility
and
autonomy
and
not
to
potentially
be
hamstrung
in
the
future.
I'm
a
20
year,
planner
on
this
stuff
it
does
about
maybe
perhaps
a
secretary
or
or
other
that
could
hamstring
the
function
of
the
department.
I
That
would
not
be
in
compliance
with
federal
funding
or
other
issues
and
that
the
department
still
maintains
their
administrative
connection
to
tourism.
But
certainly
is
it
acts
more
autonomously
and
then,
as
a
result
of
that
on
page
seven,
this
would
allow
all
records
files
and
documents
of
the
department
to
be
returned
to
them
and
what
I
think
is
the
most
important
they're
used
to
fish
and
wildlife
could
hire
their
own
attorneys
and
and
have
an
expertise
in
the
house
that
was
has
been
taken
away
and
for
several
years
now.
I
But
this
would
allow
them
to
do
that.
I
think
that's
important,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
federal
laws
and
compliance
and
federal
funding,
and
it
is
an
area
of
expertise
that
I
feel
will
be
more
efficient
for
the
agency
to
allow
to
do
that.
It
also
prohibits
any
reorganization
under
chapter
12
of
the
existing
department
and
on
down
section
4
does
address
commissioners
appointments
and
seating.
I
The
terms
shall
end
on
december
31st
of
the
fourth
calendar
year
of
the
term,
and
as
you
all
you
all
know,
we
do
have
term
limits
now
of
two
terms,
so
we're
trying
to
strike
a
balance
if
there's
a
problem
in
confirmation
or
otherwise,
that
sports
men
and
women
still
be
represented,
but
not
at
infinitum
or
into
another
term.
So
we
have
no
later,
that
term
could
not
last
any
longer
than
one
year
following
the
expiration.
I
I
Is
criteria
for
anyone
who
can
be
a
commissioner
and
it
allows
hunting
in
someone
who
has
held
a
hunting
and
fishing
license
in
kentucky
or
another
state
for
at
least
the
five
previous
consecutive
years,
or
have
been
hunting
and
fishing
in
the
commonwealth
for
the
previous
five-year
consecutive
years
while
license
exempt
this
provis.
This
language
is
in
case
an
end
of
it.
I
There
are
exemptions
like
for
private
landowners,
that
hunt
on
their
own
property
that
don't
have
to
buy
licenses,
even
though
everyone
should,
but
we
didn't
want
to
exclude
a
potential
candidate
that
might
have
taken
a
year
off
due
to
health
reasons
or
whatever
hunted
on
their
own
property
and
and
that
that
would
be
an
exclusion.
I
Then
you
go
to
the
governor
appointments.
We're
going
to
state
that
a
successor
to
a
vacant
term
should
be
appointed
no
later
than
january,
20th
of
the
following
year
from
the
expiration
of
the
term,
and
what
that
does.
It
allows
the
legislature
ample
time
in
a
short
or
long
session
to
confirm
or
deny,
and
then,
if
confirmation
is
not
done,
then
it
would
still
allow
additional
time
for
another
selection
and
another
confirmation
process.
I
On
page
9
allows
if
a
governor
shall
remove
any
commissioner
for
cause
under
subsection
2
I'd
redefine
inefficiency
to
me
was
not
a
well-defined
legal
term.
I
put
non-visas
in
there
there's
legal
standards
for
that
case
law.
I
think
that's
a
better
description
and
allows
for
an
administrative
hearing
in
accordance
with
most
other
state
situations
under
13b.
I
Now,
on
the
page,
13.
I
hiring
shall
be
within
the
department
internally
for
purposes
of
chapter
18
and
as
they
are
to
me,
a
mission
oriented
entity
that
has
to
comply
once
again
with
federal
law
and
we
need
expertise
and
those
things
relating
to
their
the
mission
in
proliferation
of
the
north
american
wildlife
model
and
then
under
section
7.
A
E
A
Wildlife
well
noted,
and
and
just
to
make
sure
again,
there's
somebody
that's
that
signed
up
to
speak.
I
know
that
tom
fitzgerald
had
had
wanted
to
speak
on
the
solar
bill
and
somehow
we
misconnected,
so
I
don't
want
to
do
that,
but
if
you
have
a
somebody's
online
that
wishes
to
speak,
this
is
your
chance.
H
B
A
A
A
Okay,
the
next
bill
is
my
bill.
It's
3,
41.
A
E
E
Occasionally
we
get
notice
of
grants
that
would
support
our
mission
and
we'd
like
to
be
able
to
hire
those
people
who
can
work
under
a
grant
for
a
limited
time,
we're
not
going
to
hire
anybody
or
keep
anybody
beyond
the
terms
of
the
grant.
So
this
would
help
us
in
the
other
things
that
we
do
in
our
division
of
forestry.
E
No,
I
don't
have
much
to
add
and
thank
you
all
for
for
having
us
here
today.
It's
a
good
opportunity
for
us
to
to
be
able
to
carry
out
our
mission,
so
we
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
having
us
and
thank
you
for
sponsoring
this
chairman
smith,.
A
A
A
All
right
we
have
a
quorum,
so
the
motion
is
second
for
senate
bill
341
with
the
committee
subsidy.
Without
a
committee
substitute
the
expression,
the
same
shall
pass.
So
thank
you
all
for
coming,
and
hopefully
we'll
get
this
over
to
the
house.
A
All
right
now
we've
got
senate
bill,
301
senator
higdon.
If
he's
still
here
and
senator
hickman,
I
apologize.
I
honestly,
I
should
have
had
you
go
first
and
that
just
just
dawned
on
me.
So
my
apologies
to
you,
my
friend.
D
Not
a
problem,
mr
chairman
and
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
I
have
two
guests
with
me
today
and
and
mainly
for
the
those
technical
questions
that
you'll
have
about
about
this,
this
issue
and
I'll
start
with
annette
and
annette
dupont.
D
Mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
this
this
is
a
sewer
bill.
You
know
how
we
like
sewer
bills
in
the
state
senate,
but
seriously.
This
is
this
is
dealing
with
with
sludge
and
sludges
is
sewer
in
a
in
a
dried,
dried
state
and
there's
two
ways
you
can
dispose
of
sludge,
you
can
put
it
in
a
landfill
or
you
can
land
farm
it
or
spread
it
on
agriculture
or
land.
D
We
in
kentucky
kentucky
is
one
of
three
states
that
does
not
fully
or
partially
adopt
the
federal
regulations.
The
kentucky
regulations
for
just
for
use
of
this
sludge
are
much
stricter
than
the
federal
requirements
and
in
this
bill,
what
it
does
is
just
say
that
the
state
will
comply
with
the
40
cfr.
A
Motion
is
second,
anybody
else
wish
to
speak
on
it.
Any
questions.
D
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Fortunately,
the
voice
that
I
lost
to
laryngitis
this
week
is
back.
I
guess
fortunately
for
me,
unfortunately
for
the
committee
I
can
now
speak.
I
appreciate
senator
higdon
making
sure
I
got
my
two
cents
and
I
did
want
to
mention,
and
I
wrote
to
senator
higdon,
who
I
consider
someone.
I
have
tremendous
respect
for
and
also
a
friend
I
do
have
concerns
and
do
oppose
senate
bill
301.
K
We
have
siding
restrictions
in
kentucky
that
the
federal
regulations
don't
have
and
those
restrictions
require
that
you
don't
place
sewage
sludge
on
lands
within
a
certain
distance
of
occupied
homes,
of
water,
wells
of
sinkholes,
of
property
lines,
public
roads
and
intermittent
streams.
Those
are
streams
that
flow
some
of
the
year
and
most
of
the
streams
in
kentucky
are
intermittent
rather
than
perennial
streams
that
flow
all
year.
K
The
federal
regulations
have
none
of
those
sighting
restrictions,
and
because
of
that,
I
I
think
that
tying
us
to
the
federal
minimum
standards,
rather
than
continuing
to
have
the
flexibility
we
have
to
address
the
unique
hydrogeologic
situations
in
kentucky,
such
as
the
prevalence
of
karst
in
many
areas
as
they
affect
land
spreading,
the
sewage
sludge,
those
restrictions
and
those
sighting
requirements.
I
think,
are
well
reasoned
and
we
can
go
in
at
some
other
committee
when
we
have
the
time
and
talk
about
why
they're
there.
K
But
that's
the
reason
that
I
oppose
senate
bill
301.
I
think
that
we
should
not
cede
our
ability
to
do
what
is
necessary
to
protect
neighbors
when
land
spreading
of
sludges
is
occurring
from
odors
and
other
issues,
and
we
shouldn't
remove
the
restrictions
on
protecting
water
wells
in
a
state
where
a
significant
amount
of
our
population,
including
some
of
the
municipalities
that
kmua
represents,
derive
the
public
water
supplies
from
groundwater.
K
The
other
issue
is
we
have
this
emerging
issue
of
contamination
of
municipal
sludges
with
pfas
the
so-called
forever
chemicals
which
are
per
and
polyfluorinated
substances
that
don't
break
down
easily
in
the
environment.
That
move
through
soils
and
can
contaminate
drinking
water
sources
and
can
bio,
accumulate
and
are
thought
to
have
human
health
effects
at
very
low
levels
of
exposure.
K
K
For
those
reasons,
I
think
sendable
301
is
not
a
bill
that
is
is
adequately
protective
of
the
rights
of
other
landowners
as
well
as
the
environment,
and
I
would
encourage
your
your
to
not
support
the
bill
with
that
said,
I
look
forward
to
as
if
the
bill
progresses
to
working
with
senator
hayden
and
with
the
net
to
try
to
address
concerns
in
a
way
that
that
is
protective
of
public
health
and
addresses
the
legitimate
concerns
that
the
municipalities
might
have.
K
So,
mr
chairman,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Senator
higdon.
Thank
you
again
for
making
sure
I
got
what's
probably
more
than
my
two
cents
worth,
and
I
do
appreciate
the
committee's
time.
Mr
chairman.
I
D
One
one
thing
that
I
and
I
don't
know
I'm
not
the
expert
on
this,
but
just
the
the
the
things
that
they
ask
for
and
the
time
that
it
takes
to
get
a
permit.
That's
extremely
long,
and
that's
that's
a
that's
a
complaint
from
from
the
cities
that
that
are
doing.
This
is
just
the
length
of
time
and
the
expense
that
it
takes
to
get
a
permit,
and,
like
I
said
I
have
the
experts
with
me
here.
Todd
is
is
very
familiar
with
that.
If
you
don't
mind
him
chiming
in
I.
J
J
I
J
Nothing
physically
done
differently
would
still
be
land
applied.
Just
like
it
currently
is
the
the
standards
for
doing
that
would
change
right
now.
We
have
restrictions
that
are
excessive.
That
have
been
shown
by
that
risk
assessment.
I
was
talking
about
to
not
to
be
overly
stringent
from
what
is
necessary.
The
risk
assessment
shown
and
proved
that
some
of
this
was
not
necessary.
What
mr
fitzgerald
is
saying
is
still
going
to
apply.
The
federal
regulations
still
require
that
standards
be
met.
The
material
must
meet
a
certain
standard
before
it
can
be
land
applied.
J
J
That's
perfectly
fine,
but
the
the
rest
of
these
standards
are
so
restrictive
that
it
almost
eliminates
anybody
from
being
able
to
do
it.
So
the
problem
that
we
have
to
backtrack
just
a
little
bit
is
in
kentucky.
Most
people
hauled
all
this
material
to
a
landfill
that
was
pretty
standard
procedure.
We
had
some
that
land
applied,
but
landfilling
was
so
readily
available
and
cheap.
That's
what
everybody
did
well
now,
in
the
last
two
or
three
years,
these
landfills
have
stopped
taking
it
due
to
being
overloaded
with
this
type
of
material.
J
So
what
they're
doing
is
they're
cutting
these
people
off
and
there's
only
one
other
option
at
the
current
time
and
that's
the
land
applied.
So
if
the
landfills,
for
instance,
here
in
the
city
of
frankfort
city
of
frankfurt,
haul,
all
the
material
right
right
here,
local
to
a
republic
landfill-
they
don't
haul
it
there
anymore,
they
won't
take
all
that
they
generate
their
price,
went
up
300
percent
in
what
they're
charging
the
city.
So
that's
what
all
these
cities
are
being
impacted.
J
The
same
way
and
most
of
the
landfills
in
the
state
of
kentucky
are
private.
They
don't
have
to
take
their
material.
They
can
send
them
a
dear
john
letter
tomorrow
morning
and
say
we're
not
taking
your
material
anymore.
What
are
they
supposed
to
do?
There's
only
one
other
option
and
that's
land
application,
which
has
been
proven
over
and
over
if
done
properly,
is
perfectly
safe.
It's
considered
a
method
of
recycling,
some
states,
washington,
state
colorado,
for
instance,
you
have
to
land
apply
it.
J
If
you
meet
the
standards
of
the
federal
503
regulations,
you
have
to
land
apply
that
product,
they
will
not
let
you
put
dispose
of
the
landfill.
So
all
we're
asking
for
is
to
is,
for
the
state
of
kentucky
to
upgrade
to
the
current
standard
that
exists
for
land
application
of
this
material.
That
and,
as
senator
higdon
said,
we're
only
one
of
three
states
in
the
country
that
have
not
adopted
these
regulations
in
some
form
or
fashion
us
massachusetts
and
connecticut,
and
they
don't
do
anything
anything.
I
If
I
could
just
make
a
brief
comment,
mr
chairman,
you
know
federal
minimums
are
federal
minimums.
I
don't
know
that
this
bill
would
allow
require
anything
more
than
that.
I
have
concerns
about
the
public
health
aspect
and
having
pfa
impacted
some
of
my
district
and,
and
I
think
it
is
an
emerging
legal
and
public
health
concern
and
we're
gonna
have
to
deal
with
it,
whether
we
want
to
or
not,
but
certainly
at
this
topic.
I
You
know
it
sounds
like
there's
a
lot
of
layers
of
issue
with
the
regulation,
disposal
requirements
and
permitting
so
you've
got
all
all
of
those
issues.
I
would
feel
more
comfortable.
Of
course
you
know:
we've
had
several
task
forces
on
water
and
and
issues.
Perhaps
I
would
like
additional
study
on
this.
I
I
I
feel
your
urgency
in
in
some
way,
but
certainly
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
and
coming
up
with
a
plan
to
address
all
of
those
issues
and
and
provide
a
level
of
public
public
health
assurance
and
help
with
the
disposal
side,
because
this
is
an
emerging
issue
and
I
I
feel
the
urgency,
but,
as
a
policymaker
I
I
feel
compelled
to
want
to
study
it
further.
But
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr.
J
J
J
It's
everywhere
and
it
is
an
emerging
thing,
but
it
will
not
affect
what
we're
doing
one
bit,
because
we're
still
land
applying
you're
still
going
to
be
able
to
get
a
permit,
whether
you
adopt
this
or
we're
still
in
it,
the
old
way
the
material's
still
going
on
the
ground,
but
if
epa,
when
they
do
the
risk
assessment,
they're
going
to
come
up
with
the
number
for
pfos
when
they
do,
it
immediately
takes
effect
immediately.
We
have
to
comply
with
that.
So
whether
this
is
passed
or
not
passed
it.
J
It
doesn't
change
anything
with
how
this
material
is
still
going
on
the
ground.
So
drinking
water
versus
bile
solids
is
all
separate
issues
and
the
numbers
still
haven't
come
back
as
to
what
they're
going
to
be
yet.
But
yes,
it's
their
pfas
and
sure
there
is
it's
in
this
carpet
right
here
that
we're
walking
on
it's
it's
pretty
much
everywhere.
So
it's
not
going
to
affect
anything
in
doing
this.
J
It's
going
to
help
these
municipalities
out
to
be
able
to
do
this
more
effectively
when
they
need
another
option,
because
without
another
option
I
don't
know
what
I
mean.
What's
the
city
of
frankfurt
do
or
pick
a
city?
What
do
they
do
if
the
landfill
cuts
them
off
and
they
cannot
get
a
permit
to
land
apply
which,
under
current
existing
standards
epa
supports?
It
says
its
beneficial
reuse
of
a
material
and
it's
safe?
A
H
You,
mr
chairman,
I
might
cut
it
short
off
the
question
and
just
sort
of
try
to
round
this
up
a
little
bit
to
give
a
little
light
on
this.
I've
met
with
several
of
these
people
and
other
members
cabinet
and
other
things
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
this.
So
I
want
to
at
least
update
with
what
I've
found
so
far,
and
he
just
mentioned
it.
H
I
think
it's
really
correctly
worded
because
it
says
that
everything
shall
be
regulated
in
conformance
with
the
most
recent
version
of
40
cfr.
The
cabinet
has
to
promote
administrative
regulations
there.
If
something's,
not,
you
know
opposed
to
cfr
we're
going
to
be
able
to
have.
I
think
I
see
it
that
we're
going
to
have
some
flexibility
at
the
state
level
to
be
able
to
weave
in
those
things
that
aren't
necessarily
in
opposition
of
that,
and
I
usually
am
totally
against
you
know,
ditching
the
state
standard.
H
I
don't
care
if
we're
the
only
state
left,
but
a
lot
of
times,
kentucky's
also
known
as
being
the
one,
that's
really
a
decade
behind
or
two.
So
we
have
to
be
careful
here
that
we're
not
getting
left
in
the
dust
and
addressing
this
issue
and
to
his
point
on
you
know
what
are
we
doing
while
we're
waiting
on
the
epa
and
while
we're
waiting
to
figure
out
if
we
can
put
any
of
this
stuff
down
because
of
pfos?
Meanwhile,
sludge
is
stacking
up.
Where
is
it
stacking
up?
H
Is
it
stacking
up
in
a
location?
That's
safe?
Well,
it
sure
is
not
stacking
up
in
the
landfills
and
it's
not
stacking
up
on
land
and
there's
no
choices.
So
I
think
time
is
of
the
essence,
and
this
is
to
me
a
temporary
measure
for
a
year
or
two.
We
need
this
and
then
once
we
have
the
rest
of
it,
we
will
be
back
to
identify
exactly
how
our
we're
going
to
move
forward.
A
We
have
I'm
going
to
have
to
cut
you
off
tom.
I
apologize.
We
have
a
motion
a
second
on
the
bill.
This
time
I
asked
the
clerk
to
call
the
roll.
E
A
E
I
I'm
really
conflicted
I'd
like
I
think
we
could
come
up
with
a
good
product
that
addresses
all
the
issues.
That's
in
this
I'm
gonna
pass
for
now,
but
I'll
be
glad
to
work
with
you,
and
I
hope
we
can
get
something
that
alleviates
my
concerns.
Thank
you.
Senator.
D
That's
okay,
mr
chairman,
and
and
I'll,
be
glad
to
work
with
senator
webb
and
and
tom
fitzgerald
to
see
if
we
can
eliminate
some
of
the
concerns.
But
we
do
need
to
move
forward
and
we
need
something.
A
bill,
that's
safe
and
and
also
to
be
accommodating
for
the
cities
around
the
state
that
are
having
issues
with
this.
So
I'd
be
glad
to
work
with
everyone
to
try
to
come
up
with
a
good
solution.
A
A
G
A
G
You
this
issue
is,
is
an
issue
that
affects
all
of
kentucky,
but
in
specific
in
western
kentucky,
there's
quite
a
few
abandoned
wells.
So
as
part
of
the
federal
infrastructure
bill,
kentucky
is
eligible
to
apply
for
104
million
dollars
over
the
next
several
years
to
plug
abandon
oil
and
gas
wells.
This
federal
funding
will
go
a
long
way
toward
cleaning
up
the
almost
14,
000
abandoned
and
orphaned
wells
and
tank
batteries
that
we
have
identified
that
are
needing
plugged
of
those
14
000.
Almost
5
000
of
them
are
actually
in
my
district.
G
The
bill
before
us
deals
with
three
issues
which
need
to
be
resolved
in
order
for
kentucky
to
fully
access
these
federal
funds
once
again
104
million
dollars.
At
this
time
I
have
mr
bill
barr
who's.
A
subject
matter
expert
on
this,
and
also
mr
fitzgerald,
is
on
online
as
well
to
talk
about
the
three
things
that
this
bill
does.
F
F
The
federal
law
requires
that
we
use
the
state
definition
to
determine
what
is
an
orphan.
Well.
In
2015,
we
created
the
cast
out
program,
the
kentucky
abandoned
reclamation
program
for
tank
batteries.
We
amended
that
in
2019
to
include
orphan
wells
and
for
the
first
time
in
the
history
of
the
state
developed
a
definition
for
orphan
wells.
F
There
is
also
a
program
called
the
abandoned,
well
program.
That's
wells
that
have
previously
been
permitted
and
bonded
within
the
state
and
those
wells
at
the
time
were
not
included
within
the
definition
of
the
wells
that
senator
mills
refers
to
a
significant
number
of
those,
possibly
as
much
as
50
percent
would
be
excluded
under
the
existing
definition
of
orphan
well
from
applicability
of
these
federal
funds.
F
So
the
the
principle
and
main
change
that
was
done
is
an
amendment
to
krs-353
510
sub
48.,
which
in
changes
the
definition
of
orphan
well
to
include
not
just
pre
post,
1960
wells
prior
to
permitting
and
bonding,
but
post
web
post
law
wells
that
have
been
abandoned
and
for
which
there
is
no
longer
financial,
surety
or
known
owner.
That's
financially
responsible.
F
Any
any
contract
in
excess
of
40
000
has
to
go
through
the
finance
cabinet
and
has
to
have
both
performance
bonding
and
payment
bonding.
Those
are
in
the
amount
of
100
of
the
contract
awarded.
K
Very,
very
briefly,
mr
chairman,
and
please
don't
ever
apologize
for
having
to
cut
your
debate
on
these
issues.
I
encourage
the
committee
in
the
strongest
terms
to
support
the
the
the
bill
appreciate
senator
mills
carrying
the
bill
and
appreciate
it,
as
I
have,
for
you
know,
almost
a
decade
now,
working
with
bill
and
koga
on
consensus
legislation
to
attempt
to
move
the
state
forward.
K
We
want
to
make
sure,
by
broadening
out
the
definition
of
orphan
wells
under
this
bill,
that
we
don't
leave
any
federal
money
on
the
table
when
it
comes
to
plugging
and
abandoning
properly
the
14,
000
or
so
wells
that
that
the
state
has
made
a
significant
effort
to
identify
how
we
are
ahead
of
the
game
in
that
regard.
We're
ahead
of
the
game,
because
you
all
had
the
forced
site
to
create
the
castel
program
to
allow
us
to
go
back
in
and
plug
the
abandon,
as
well
as
orphan
wells.
This.
K
This
takes
care
of
the
two
priorities
that
we
share
with
koga.
Getting
these
wells
plugged
getting
the
farmlands,
remediated
and
reclaimed
so
that
they
no
longer
have
these
orphan
wells
and
the
tank
batteries
on
them
and
also
ensuring
that
money
to
the
extent
possible
is
spent
with
local
contractors,
local
operators.
So
thank
you.
A
All
right
very
good,
so
we
have
a
motion.
The
second
on
the
bill
asked
the
clerk
to
call
the
roll.
A
And
a
second
for
the
title
amendment,
all
those
in
favor
say
I
am
opposed.
Likewise,
we
have
that
adopted
senator
westerfield
for
comment.
Okay,
as
soon
as
we
wrap
up
we'll
get
anybody
that
needs
to
have
votes.
Okay,
so
the
senate
bill
315,
as
amended
by
the
committee
substitute,
has
been
approved
by
the
expression.
The
same
shall
pass
thanks.
Thank.
A
Again,
I
appreciate
the
time
it's
tough
here
at
the
end,
because
the
sessions
wrapping
up
we've
got
a
lot
of
important
pieces
of
legislation,
and
so
today
we
took
on
a
quite
a
few
of
those
to
try
to
help
them
have
a
chance
to
get
out
because
the
time
is
running
out.
So
I
appreciate
each
one
of
my
members
being
patient
with
us.
We
do
have
some
votes
we
want
to
record.
I
know
senator
westerfeld
has
some
that
he
would
like
to
record.
A
E
You
for
your
indulgence,
let
me
find
my
agenda
here.
It
is.
I
want
to
record
an
eye
vote
on
senate
bill
341..