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A
G
A
At
this
time,
we're
going
to
begin
our
discussion
this
morning
with
House
Bill
303,
an
act
relating
to
Economic
Development,
sponsored
by
representative
Josh
branscome
as
representative
branscome,
to
take
the
table,
bring
forward
any
folks
that
you
have
here
that
are
going
to
testify
with
you.
A
J
H
Thank
you
Mr
chairman
and
fellow
members
of
the
committee
before
you
today
is
House
Bill
303,
which
deals
with
various
changes
that
are
being
proposed
by
the
cabinet
for
economic
development.
While
this
bill
is
quite
lengthy.
Fortunately,
a
large
portion
of
this
bill
deals
with
reorg
reorganization,
streamlining
the
processes
in
Conformity
to
2022
house
bill.
8.,
houseboat
303
focuses
on
the
following
items:
just
name.
H
Alignment
of
wage
assessments
with
the
2022
House
Bill
8
expands
enhanced
incentive
County
to
allow
those
who
have
been
declared
a
disaster
relief,
County
clarification
and
climate
cleanup
of
the
Kentucky,
entertainment
and
Center
program,
and
it
repeals
programs
that
are
no
longer
available
or
in
use.
Mr.
Chairman
I
have
the
cabinet
for
economic
development
development
with
me
today
to
discuss
the
bill
and
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
have
with
me:
Katie
Smith
and
Miss
Angelica,
Vega
I'll
turn
it
over
to
them.
I
Good
morning,
I,
don't
know
that
we
we
had
enough
of
the
handouts
today,
but
we
have
emailed
the
staff.
We
did
prepare
a
handout
to
try
to
align
the
bullets
with
the
bill.
So
if
you
are
going
through
the
bill
to
try
to
show
you
kind
of
what
our
requests
are,
it
does
include
some
of
the
other
bills
that
we
are
working
on
or
supporting,
but
it
is,
if
you
start
with
House
Bill
303
for
the
majority
of
the
first
and
second
Pages,
it
kind
of
gives
you
high-level
bullet
points
of
what
we're
asking.
I
We
do
have
a
second
handout,
because
we
know
the
request
for
the
alignment
of
our
wage
assessment
on
the
Kentucky
business
investment
program
is
a
little
complicated.
We
wanted
to
show
you
as
the
the
examples
on
the
back
of
that
second
handout.
It
does
show
you
if
we
don't
do
anything
with
the
wage
assessment.
What
will
happen
and
with
what
we're
proposing
what
the
results
are?
So
we
did
want
to
provide
you
with
that
example.
I
But
what
we
just
wanted
to
request
today
is
some
cleanup,
like
representative
Brands
convention,
for
our
structure
of
our
organization,
to
truly
align
us
with
how
we're
currently
operating
as
well
as
with
some
of
the
programs.
Hydrogen
is
an
area
where
a
lot
of
companies
are
going
into,
so
we
want
to
stay
ahead
of
the
industry
in
that
area.
There
are
with
our
reorganization.
I
do
want
to
point
out.
There
are
no
asks
for
Appropriations
or
any
Personnel
any
changes,
it's
just
truly
changing
names,
so
there
should
be
no
budget
impact
or
budget
request.
I
With
that.
Additionally,
there
you'll
see
on
our
Bluegrass
State
skills,
Corporation
about
an
increase
in
the
application
allotment.
It's
not
an
increase
in
the
funding
available
for
the
program.
It's
just
an
increase
in
how
much
training
can
be
included
in
one
application
other
than
that
we've
got.
The
wage
assessment
is
also
included
in
our
Kentucky
jobs
retention
act.
So
you'll
see
with
that
as
well.
What
we're
proposing
is
the
current
proportion
there
is
for
kbi.
You've
got
five
percent,
that
is,
for
enhanced
incentive
counties
which,
based
on
the
previous
and
individual
income
tax
rate.
I
That's
a
hundred
percent,
so
we're
proposing
a
hundred
percent
of
whatever
the
individual
income
tax
rate
would
be
eligible
for
those
enhanced
incentive
counties
and
then
for
the
those
that
are
not
enhanced.
It
was
three
percent
State,
one
percent
local.
So
what
we're
proposing
is
sixty
percent
of
whatever
that
individual
income
tax
rate
is
would
be
what's
the
state
requirement
and
20
for
the
local
requirement
and.
J
J
We
are
just
revising
that
language
right
so
that,
as
the
income
tax
rate
fluctuates,
the
proportion
Remains
the
Same
for
the
state's
sort
of
incentive,
I
hope
that
kind
of
helps
clarify
some
of
the
questions
that
you
may
have.
We,
we
do
encourage
you
to
take
a
look
at
the
handouts
and
then,
of
course,
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
H
Mr
chairman,
that's
that's
that's
the
explanation
of
the
bill
and
we
appreciate
the
committee's
consideration.
Revenue
King
made
a
motion
on
the
bill.
I'll
count
representative.
A
B
G
A
A
A
There
you
are
I'm,
sorry
if
you'll
come
forward
and
bring
anyone
that
you
have
to
testify
with
you.
If
not,
please
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
then
you
may
begin
your
testimony.
L
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
representative
Josh
Brewery
representative
for
the
71st
house,
district
Mr,
chairman
I,
believe
we
have
a
committee
sub.
A
L
L
It
is
based
on
the
philosophical
idea
that
government
shouldn't
facilitate
the
act
of
political
contributions,
and
so
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
go
through
House,
Bill
364,
as
amended
by
the
sub
and
and
so
in
section
one.
It
lays
out
the
definitions.
You'll
see
a
lot
of
new
definitions.
You
know
most
of
those
come
from
campaign,
Finance
law,
KRS
121015.
L
L
In
section
two
it
it
says.
A
state
public
retirement
employer
shall
not
deduct
membership,
dues,
fees,
assessment
or
other
charges
of
a
labor
organization,
and
it
says
labor
organizations
representing
state
public
retirement
employees
shall
be
solely
responsible
for
collecting
membership,
dues
fees,
assessments
or
other
charges,
and
and
that's
where
the
relationship
is
severed
and
the
idea
is
members
of
Labor
organizations.
Their
relationship
with
the
labor
organization
should
be
strictly
between
them
and
the
labor
organization.
L
We
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
already
knows
that
they
don't
have
to
join
a
labor
organization
if
they
don't
wish
to
that
is
kind
of
it's
an
employee
rights
statement
on
that
on
section
three:
this
is
just
employers
shall
not
share
financial
employees,
financial
information
with
labor
organizations,
section
4,
that's
just
a
section
that
makes
sure
that
this
bill
doesn't
apply
to
current
collectively
bargained
contracts,
section
five.
L
It
requires
that
state
public
retirement
employees
enroll
on
an
annual
basis.
There
was
a
Supreme
Court
ruling.
That
said,
the
waiver
of
your
first
amendment
rights
isn't
in
perpetuity
if
I
rate
waive
my
Miranda
rights
once
it
doesn't
mean
that
I
waive
them
for
all
time,
and
so
that's
done
on
a
yearly
basis.
L
Seven
part
D
that
addition
just
says
that
members
will
save
an
annual
report
and
that's
a
transparency
piece.
These
reports
are
already
generated
they're
available,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
members
have
access
to
those
and
they
see
those
when
they
are
making
their
decision
and
then
in
section
seven
it
applies
to
kcts
they're
eligible
to
be
members
and
as
members
of
as
state
public
employers,
state
public
retirement
employers,
they're
involved,
and
then
the
last
section
in
Section
8
just
lays
out
the
Civil
penalty.
A
All
right
representative
Baker
made
a
motion
representative,
Lockett
I,
believe
seconded
we're
going
to
get
into
questions
which
I'm
sure
there
will
be
how
we're
going
to
handle
questions
this
morning
is
I'm
going
to
allow
each
member
to
begin
by
asking
one
question,
then
we're
going
to
move
to
the
second
individual.
If
you
have
a
second
question,
we're
going
to
put
you
in
the
lineup
once
members
have.
G
L
D
Can
you
tell
me
where
we're
12
hours
from
coming
from
adjourning
yesterday
and
this
bill
kind
of
dropped?
We've
already
had
two
substitutions
and
I'm
trying
to
read
this
10-page
substitution
number
two,
usually
when
this
happens
in
economic
development.
That
means
anti-worker,
bill's
coming
I've,
been
here
long
enough
to
know
that
and
it'll
go
to
the
floor
on
Friday
morning
tomorrow,
because
that's
when
most
of
the
people
aren't
paying
attention.
D
L
Sure
so,
in
the
original
House
Bill
one
I
mean
House
Bill
364
version,
one
as
it
was
filed.
The
the
biggest
difference
between
that
and
substitute
one
was
the
addition.
It
changed.
It
added
one
word
to
it
to
the
definition
of
state
public
retirement,
employee,
it
added
retirement
and
to
state
public
retirement
employer,
then
the
version
of
two
that
is
before
us
now.
L
On
my
way
home
yesterday,
I
received
a
call
from
the
firefighters
unions.
They
were
never
intended
to
be
in
this.
They
were.
It
was
specifically
excluded
for
the
reason
that
the
cers
program
was
excluded,
because
local
governments
carry
those
liabilities
on
their
books.
Local
governments
have
legislative
Authority
and
we
felt
like
it.
I
felt
like
it
was
appropriate
to
leave
them
out,
so
it
struck
in
version
two.
There
was
a
section
that
applied
to
krs-65.
L
L
M
M
There's
a
civil
penalty
assessed
if,
if
there's
not
compliance
and,
for
instance,
section
three
talks
about
not
collecting
financial
information
for
anything
other
than
the
collection
of
dues
and
fees,
you've
got
transmission
of
financial
records
and
my
question
is:
there's
nothing
in
here
about
if
an
individual
does
want
their
their
funding
to
go
to
a
political
contribution.
So
if
there's
an
opt-in
situation,
this
bill
doesn't
seem
to
contemplate
that.
So,
if
somebody
wants
their
funding
to
go
to
a
political
contribution,
then
why
would
this
bill?
L
It
doesn't
preclude
it,
I
mean
they
can
currently
I
mean
on
the
case
website.
Right
now,
because
that's
who
I
heard
from
yesterday,
that
was
the
discussion
they
they
can
opt.
You
know
they
can
contract
directly
with.
You
know
that
organization
they
can
have
that
taken
directly
out
of
their
paycheck
as
it
is
if
they
want
to
make
that
contribution,
that
is
between
them
and
the
organization.
All
this
bill
does
is.
It
removes
the
the
government
from
the
equation,
I.
M
Unless
the
end
or
there's
no
reference
to
that
in
some
of
these
compliance
sections
that
you've
got
so
I
was
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
that's
not
the
intent
of
so
you've
got.
You've
got
here
that
there's
going
to
be
compliance,
that
no
no
funding
shall
go
to
these
political
contributions,
but
there's
nothing
in
the
language
itself
that
talks
about
when
it's
a
voluntary
contribution.
L
What
the
bill
does
is
it:
it
stops
the
government
from
direct
withholding
from
a
a
member's
paycheck,
and
so
the
relationship
moves
from
the
governmental
agency,
ensuring
compliance
with
the
between
the
member
and
the
organization
and
moves
that
relationship
directly
between
the
member
itself
and
the
organization
itself.
So
if
they
want
to
donate
to
whatever
they
still
have
that
ability,
this
doesn't
hamper
that
it
just
ensures
that
that's
not
withheld
from
a
paycheck.
A
G
Could
you
clarify
if
one
of
my
teachers
wants
to
join
Kea
or
any
other
organization
they
can
still
do
so?
Is
that
correct
or.
L
Oh
absolutely
I
mean
this:
doesn't
this
doesn't
interfere
in
that
process
whatsoever?
Like
I
said
on
the
ka's
website
right
now,
I
think
it's
called
smart
pay
to
where
you
can
enroll.
You
can
have
it
direct
deposited.
I
mean
you
can
have
it
directly
withheld
from
your
checking
account
as
it
is
all
this
does.
Is
it
make
sure
that
your
school
system
doesn't
have
to
keep
track
of
who's
a
member
who's,
not
a
member?
L
It
makes
sure
that
when
they
do
their
payroll
deductions
that
they're
not
involved
in
that
process,
so
it
doesn't
sever
the
relationship
between
member
or
the
union,
and
you
can
do
whatever
you
want
to
do.
Employees
can
do
whatever
they
want
to
do
it's.
You
know
it
just
removes
the
government
from
the
step.
That's
it.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chair.
Are
there
any
other.
D
L
I'm
like
in
general
or
like
does
this
target
any
other
thing
like
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
appropriate
for,
let's
say
I
I
worked
for
you
know
a
governmental
organization
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
appropriate
for
the
Republican
party
to
set
up
you
know
automatic
pay.
Withdrawals
from
you
know,
I.
Don't
think
that
would
be
the
appropriate
role
for
the
government.
But
as
far
as
what
this
bill
does
I
don't
know,
I
guess,
I,
don't
understand
what
you're
asking.
M
Section
five:
let
me
see
what
number
it's
line.
Let
me
see
subsection
D
line
six
through
nine,
where
it
talks
about
transmission
of
financial
records
in
terms
of
Labor
organizations
quarterly
expenses.
M
What
form
does
that
take
in
terms
of
data
and
I'm
talking
just
about
privacy
issues
here,
it
just
says:
transmit
Financial
records
detailing
their
quarterly
expenses
on
an
annual
basis.
So
my
question
is:
what
form
of
does
that
data
take
or
those
records
take
because
of
privacy
issues?
And
then
what
exactly
is
the
current
reporting
requirement?.
L
So
they
are
already
required
to
report
this
data
as
far
as
the
transmission
goes,
whether
it's
through
mail
through
email.
You
know
that's
left
to
the
discretion.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
members
have
access
to
the
data.
A
O
N
So,
thank
you,
chair
Weber
and
committee
for
over
160
years.
Kea
has
advocated
for
public
education
in
Kentucky
is
a
member
driven
organization,
not
a
group
of
people
that
are
in
a
building
just
down
the
street.
Within
our
organization,
members
elect
representatives
who
are
governing
bodies
and
those
Representatives
determine
kea's
policy
and
legislative
positions
based
on
what
they
know
about
their
working
conditions,
student
learning
conditions
and
the
concerns
of
their
colleagues.
N
N
Members
have
the
option
have
had
the
option,
a
payroll
deduction
for
decades
without
any
issues,
and
there
is
absolutely
no
legitimate
reason
for
that
to
change.
Payroll
deduction
is
used
in
every
school
district
in
Kentucky
for
any
number
of
purposes.
Employee
employers
use
it
to
collect
taxes,
pension
contributions,
health
insurance
premiums,
individual
employees
can
use
payroll
deduction
to
direct
money
to
savings,
pay,
membership
dues
and,
for
any
other
reason
or
purpose
Allowed
by
locally
approved
District
policy,
including
contributions
to
the
United
Way
or
becoming
a
member
of
the
AAA.
N
Once
a
member
chooses
Kea
or
to
become
a
member
of
Kea,
they
can
also
choose
whether
or
not
to
make
contributions
to
our
pack.
That
is
also
completely
voluntary
and
is
entirely
separate
from
the
cost
of
our
membership.
N
Many
of
our
members
choose
not
to
make
political
contributions
and
there
is
no
repercussion
or
change
to
their
membership
benefits.
Members
can
leave
Kea
whenever
they
want
simply
by
notifying
us.
The
current
Law
requires
employees
to
authorize
all
voluntary
payroll
deductions
in
writing
and
also
allows
them
to
end
voluntary
payroll
deduction.
The
same
way
Kea
promptly
honors
any
request
as
soon
as
we
receive
them
through
our
association,
Kea
members
work
collectively
to
improve
learning
and
working
conditions
for
students
and
Educators
by
lobbying
for
policy
at
the
local
state
and
National
levels.
N
Ka
also
offers
a
member
driven,
high
quality,
professional
learning,
opportunities
for
educators,
mentoring,
leadership,
opportunities
and
leadership,
development
and
individual
member
supports
Kea
members
across
the
Commonwealth,
give
back
to
their
communities
all
the
time
by
sponsoring
a
variety
of
events
such
as
read,
Across,
America
events
that
will
be
coming
up
here
in
March.
Most
recently,
Kea
members
offered
material
and
emotional
support
and
worked
side
by
side
with
students,
colleagues
and
communities
recovering
from
the
devastating
Western
Kentucky
tornadoes
and
the
Eastern
Kentucky
flooding.
N
All
of
our
work
is
done
for
the
collective
good
and
is
supported
by
dues,
paying
members
House,
Bill,
364's,
titled,
paycheck
protection,
but
since
Educators
May
freely
choose
to
pay
Kea
dues
or
whether
they
choose
to
pay
Kea
dues
or
not
or
join
our
association.
What
does
this
bill
actually
protecting?
It
doesn't
protect
the
rights
of
an
educator.
In
fact,
it
takes
away
the
freedom
for
them
to
make
decisions
about
how
they
pay
and
join
their
Union
and
how
they
spend
their
hard-earned
money
h.
N
Kentucky
educators
are
one
of
the
most
highly
skilled
and
highly
degreed
workforces
in
the
Commonwealth.
They
are
well
informed
about
their
professions
and
most
are
involved
voters.
They
make
hundreds,
perhaps
thousands
of
decisions
every
day
to
further
their
primary
purpose,
which
is
to
provide
Kentucky
public
school
students,
a
quality
education.
N
O
Hi,
thank
you
for
the
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
this
morning.
I
I
represent
3
800
support
staff
for
Jefferson
County
Public
Schools.
First,
we
just
have
a
few
concerns
more
than
anything
with
this
bill.
One
of
those
is
just
that
this
has
been
a
method
that
we've
used
for
years.
This
is
something
that,
not
just
years
decades
really
and
as
it
is
right
now,
all
employees
have
a
voluntary
choice.
O
They
they
choose
every
year
whether
they
want
to
elect
to
take
insurance,
whether
they
want
to
sign
up
for
a
tax
annuity,
whether
they
want
to
donate
to
a
charitable
cause,
whether
it
be
United,
Way
or
any
other
charitable
cause
that
may
be
represented
through
their
individual
District
that
they
represent.
So
I
really
just
have
to
ask
at
this
point:
you
know:
are
we
really?
Why
are
we
really
focusing
on
a
payroll
deduction?
You
know:
is
this
something
to
Target
our
workers?
O
You
know
at
this
point
when
I've
read
this
bill,
it
just
makes
me
believe
that
this
isn't
really
protecting
my
paycheck,
because
I
choose
what
I
do
with
my
paycheck
already.
This
is
something
that
I
do
each
and
you
know
each
year
and
some
of
those
things
I
don't
have
to
renew
each
year.
Some
of
those
things
once
I
sign
up
for
them.
Just
like
my
tax
annuity,
it
continues
to
go
each
year.
O
It
continues
to
be
taken
out
of
my
paycheck,
so
I,
just
kind
of
feel
like
is
this
some
way
to
to
silence
our
voices
and
to
limit
our
choices,
because
we
do
have
those
choices,
whether
it's
to
opt
in
opt
out.
Those
are
all
given
to
us
each
and
every
year
and
are
made
very
clear.
So
you
know,
and
then
I
you
know
just
wonder
if
this
is
should
this
be
about
our
freedom,
or
is
this
just
the
fact
that
this
puts
our
freedom
at
risk?
O
So
I
just
ask
you
to
please
consider
that
these
are
things
that
are
already
currently
happening.
So
you
know
please
take
that
into
consideration
and
I.
Ask
that
you
vote
no
on
this
on
build
364..
Thank
you.
E
My
my
first
question
deals
with
a
statement
that
you
made,
sir
about
pack
donations
just
kind
of
a
question
in
terms
of
how
that
works
so
are.
If
someone
elects
to
donate
to
the
pack
through
the
Kea.
Is
that
Pac
donation
taken
out
of
their
paycheck
as
well
or
is
that
a
check
that
they
write
or
do
they
have
to
say
I'm
going
to
give
this
extra?
How
does
that
work.
N
P
It
it
says
on
what
it
does
is
it
changes
the
amount
of
their
payroll
deductions.
So
there
are,
there
are
members
who
choose
not
to
contribute
and
they
pay
the
dues
amount.
Only
if
a
member
does
choose
to
contribute
to
pack
that
increases
the
amount
of
their
payroll
deduction
by
whatever
number
of
dollars
that
is
divided
over
their
paid
periods,
so
that
would
increase
slightly
the
deduction
for
the
members
who
opt
in.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
for
coming
today
and
sharing
your
thoughts.
What
percentage
of
the
dues
they
pay
go
to
or
donated
other
organizations?
So
what
are
the
dues
that
they're
getting
they're
giving
to
Kea?
Where
do
they
go.
P
Educators,
who
choose
Kea,
pay
cumulative
dues
for
national
state
and
local,
so
our
national
is
the
National
Education
Association.
We
are
the
state
organization
Kea
and
there's
a
dues
amount
for
that,
and
then
every
local,
that's
organized
in
school
districts
most
locals,
establish
through
their
own
decision
making
a
local
amount,
and
so
that
is
also
deducted.
If
the
educator
chooses
to
contribute
to
Pac,
then
that
amount
is
also
deducted.
P
P
I'm,
not
sure
I'm,
not
sure,
frankly,
what
you're
getting
at,
but
the
board
of
directors
through
our
annual
budget
does
occasionally
authorize
contributions
to
other
entities.
Those
generally
are
that
I
can
come
up
with
off
the
top
of
my
head.
We
contribute
to
KY
policy,
for
instance,
on
an
annual
basis.
P
J
P
Sorry,
we
used
to
contribute
to
the
Secretary
of
State
used
to
have
an
essay
contest
for
students.
Those
are
the
kind
of
contributions
that
we
make
directly
with
funds
that
we
have
available
to
us
right.
N
M
P
You
want
me
to
answer
I
sure.
Sorry.
Can
you
all
hear
me
through
this
mic?
Okay,
so,
representative
Gentry,
the
answer
to
your
question
is
that
that
will
involve
a
conversation
with
every
individual
member
to
explain
to
them
the
options
that
they
still
have.
P
If
payroll
deduction
is
taken
off
the
table
so
and
representative
Bray
was
correct,
we
have
established
something
called
smart
pay.
You
can
go
into
our
website
and
change
your
pay
method.
The
problem
that
we're
having
and
the
problem
will
continue
to
have
is
that
Educators
do
not
understand
why
they
can't
continue
to
choose
payroll
deduction
for
this
purpose
when
one
they've
had
it
for
decades
and
two,
they
can
still
choose
it
for
other
purposes.
So
if
you
can
become
a
member
of
AAA,
why
can't
you
become
a
member
of
Kea?
Q
So
so
my
biggest
concern
with
this
bill
is
laps.
You
know
my
husband
is
a
union
member
and
we
choose
each
month
to
have
his
union
dues
deducted
from
his
paycheck.
We
choose
each
month
to
have
our
health
insurance
for
our
family
deducted
from
his
paycheck.
We
choose
each
month
to
have
our
life
insurance
policies
which
protect
our
children
deducted
from
his
paycheck.
We
choose
to
have
his
contributions
to
his
retirement
and
the
contributions
to
our
kids
college
funds
deducted
from
his
paycheck.
Q
What
is
the
pro
so
so
your
union
members
are
going
to
have
to
send
in
send
in
paychecks
and
if
those
laps
will
they
won't
be
covered
after
the
lap.
So
they
won't
get
the
benefit
of
what
they
were.
What
they
typically
can
expect
as
paid
for
monthly
and
and
comes
out
of
their
paycheck,
so
so
they
will
will
the
lapse
date
back
to
the
date
of
the
non-payment
and
then
they
will
be
uncovered
or
non-members
between
the
time
that
they
maybe
realize
that
they
should
have
sent
in
a
payment.
O
Ahead,
I
would
just
like
to
state
that
you
know
for
classified
employees,
especially
you
know
across
the
state.
This
is
something
that
I
know
not
every
Union
has
that
smart
pay
option
on
their
websites,
not
every
member
that
I
represent,
has
internet
in
their
household.
You
know,
you're
talking
about
people
who
you
know
are
are
working
three
and
four.
You
know
three
and
four
jobs,
some
of
them
and
to
try
to
get
them
to
come
to
a
union
hall
or
try
to
get
with
them
to
fill
out.
O
This
information
is
going
to
be
extremely
hard
for
them.
It's
going
to
be
a
hardship.
Some
of
them
do
not
even
own
Vehicles,
so
they're
going
to
have
to
try
to
figure
out
a
way
to
get
that
information
to
us,
and
you
know
something
else
that
a
lot
of
our
members
utilize
through
our
Union,
our
union
dues.
O
We
have
a
lot
of
people
that
are
continuing
with
higher
education,
so
if
they
do
not
pay
their
dues-
and
there
is
a
lapse,
that's
another
huge
issue
for
them
for
their
tuition
and
you
know
to
continue
to
go
to
school.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
you
know
are
at
stake
here,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
people
not
only
just
with
Kea,
but
you
know
the
other
state
unions
that
may
not
have
that
opportunity
and
I
know
that
it
will
be
a
hardship
for
a
lot
of
my
members.
N
So
we
have,
we
represent
around
43
000
members
that
are
active
and
classified
employees
in
school
districts
across
the
state,
retired
former
Educators
and
aspiring
Educators,
who
are
in
our
on
Pathways
to
become
Educators
in
the
state
of
Kentucky.
G
P
Yet
we're
working
on
this
because
we
anticipated
this
kind
of
discussion,
but
it
will
be
a
process,
not
everybody
understands
what's
happening
or
why
and
we
will
have
to
explain
to
them.
P
You
know
how
to
make
this
work
in
some
other
way
and
to
answer
representative
Tech
at
Lafferty's
question
Kea
is
generous
with
people
who
accidentally
Miss
payments
or
who
changed
school
districts
and
don't
realize
that
they
need
to
resign,
and
so
no,
we
won't
just
cut
people
off
they'll,
be
a
reasonable
period
of
time
to
to
deal
with
that
and
make
it
right.
E
I
just
have
a
follow-up
question
from
my
other
one
about
the
pack.
Donations
that
are
deducted
from
a
paycheck
I
want
to
be
clear
in
our
our
discussion
as
well
that
we
are
not
talking
about
deducting
health
insurance.
We're
not
talking
about
benefits,
we're
not
talking
about
any
of
those
things.
This
is
not
the
same
thing.
What
we
are
discussing
is
deducting
political
action
committee
donations
from
a
public
employee's
paycheck
and
then
I
have
to
be
honest.
E
P
Q
And
really
it
probably
is
more
so
for
the
sponsor,
but
sorry
I
was
running
a
little
late.
Some
of
you
know
I
have
a
long
drive
in
the
mornings,
so
I
was
trying
to
listen
to
the
testimony
on
the
way
here
and
I
hear
that
we
were
something
about
trying
to
take
government
out
of
the
equation.
So
is
this
something
we
have
to
be
concerned
about
when,
when
someone
wants
to
deduct
child
support
payments
to
make
sure
that
they
make
those
each
month
that
we'd
have
to
worry,
they
couldn't
choose
payroll
protection.
I
mean.
Q
Is
that
what
we
are
we
going
to
have
to
worry
about
that
down
the
line,
because
those
are
important,
obviously
very
important.
Payments
too,
that
we
don't
want,
and
some
people
often
choose
in
court
to
to
have
them
deducted
from
their
paychecks
and
and
I'm,
assuming
that
comes
directly
from
a
department
in
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky.
Q
P
P
C
Don't
know
if
maybe
I
guess
I
had
a
question
regarding
your
form.
You
have
a
form
from
last
year.
This
says
the
amount
of
dues
listed
to
the
right,
which
is
the
dues
they
pay
include
the
kpac
contributions
for
2000,
2021
right
and
earlier
you
indicated
to
me
that
they
weren't
coming
out
of
their
gym.
P
If
you
keep
reading
it
gives
right
after
that,
it.
C
C
C
So
that's
correct,
so
they
have
to
opt
out
so
basically
you're
taking
it
out
of
them
out
of
their
funds
unless
they
have
an
option
to
opt
out,
and
the
other
thing
you
indicated
was
that
this
would
be
difficult
for
you
all
to
not
have
the
payroll
deduction.
But
clearly
you
have
on
this
form
that
they
can
give
up
cash
payment.
They
can
give
electronic
fund
transfer.
So
it
looks
like
you
already
have
stuff
set
up
in
case
that
happens,
so
we.
P
E
E
A
H
D
Explain
my
vote,
please.
You
may
I'm
voting
no
today,
because
this
is
simply
a
selective
attack
against
certain
worker
groups.
Groups
that
support
Representatives
that
represent
their
interests.
Vote
no
today,
because
it's
2023
where
we
live
in
a
digital
world,
and
this
simply
adds
barriers
and
tremendous
costs
by
requiring
these
groups
to
use
old,
inefficient,
costly
measures
to
operate,
and,
finally,
I'm
voting
no
today,
because
this
will
financially
destroy
certain
selective
worker
unions
that
commonly
support
Democrat
candidates,
because
those
are
the
people
that
stand
up
for
their
interest
on
consistent
based.
Thank
you.
K
A
M
May
I'm
voting
no
because
I'm
not
clear
at
all
why
this
bill
has
been
brought
nobody's
asked
for
it.
It's
ironic
to
me
that
it's
mentioning
the
First
Amendment
right
of
employees
when
you're
actually
burdening
their
rights
to
contribute,
as
they
see
fit
portions
of
their
own
paychecks.
There
are
logistical
and
privacy
concerns
in
terms
of
financial
records.
There
are
certain
groups
that
have
been
Exempted
from
this.
We
don't
know
why.
M
We
don't
really
know
why
there's
any
reason
for
this
bill
to
exist
and
I
I'm
voting,
no,
because
this
is
simply
burdening
the
free
speech
of
individuals
that
are
hard-working
in
our
Commonwealth
and
are
trying
in
the
easiest
way
that
they
can
to
make
their
voices
heard
through
simple
contributions
that
nobody
has
had
an
issue
with
before.
Thank
you.
F
Yes,
I
was
displaying
my
vote.
You
may
I
am
voting
no,
because
once
you
receive
a
paid,
your
wages
from
your
employer,
it
is
in
your
hands
and
what
you
decide
to
do
with
your
paycheck
is
your
choice.
A
Q
Okay,
of
course,
I
vote
no
and
and
partially
because
I
do
understand
the
complications
of
day-to-day
living.
In
this
time,
I
would
hate
to
leave
that
responsibility
solely
up
to
my
husband,
who
works,
12-hour
shifts
24
24
hours
a
day
and
I'm
certain
that
his
wife
is
a
little
busy
to
try
to
help
him
keep
up
with
it.
So
today,
I
vote
no.