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A
B
Chester
Burton
president
representative
Duvall,
here
representative
Graham
representative
Heath
representative
hevren,
representative
heron,
representative
Hodgson,
here
representative
Huff,
here,
representative
Johnson,
representative
Maddox,
representative
Rawlings,
here
representative
Tate,
here,
representative
Tipton,
here
here,
representative
Williams,
here,
representative
Witt,
here,
representative
Heath,
representative
Iams,
here
representative
Hale.
Here.
A
Do
we
have
a
quorum?
We
do
have
a
quorum
today
and
we
are
constituted
to
do
business
in
this
committee
today.
Before
we
begin,
does
anyone
in
the
any
of
our
members
have
any
guests
or
anyone
today,
you'd
like
to
recognize
before
we
proceed.
A
It
appears
that
we
do
not
have
any
guests.
Please
remember
everyone
to.
Please
silence
your
cell
phones
during
the
meeting.
If
you
would
please
please,
as
the
presenting
members
come
to
the
table,
please
direct
all
questions
and
follow-up
questions
through
the
chair.
If
you
don't
mind,
please
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
today
is
House
Bill
40,
sponsored
by
representative
Derek,
Lewis,
representative
Lewis.
Would
you
please
come
to
the
table.
D
You
Mr
chairman
Derek
Lewis
State
Representative
of
the
90th
District
proudly
representing
Laurel
clay
in
Leslie,
County
I
appreciate
you
all
hearing
my
bill
today.
I
am
now
sharing
the
admin
administrative
regulation
review
subcommittee.
We
meet
once
a
month
throughout
the
year.
There
is
a
committee
sub
motion
on
the
committee
substitute.
A
There
has
been
a
motion
made
on
the
committee
sub
and
a
second
all
in
yes,
we
will
take
a
question,
go
right
ahead,
representative.
Yes,.
E
Could
you
explain
what
the
differences
are
between
the
original
bill
and
the
committee?
So
please.
D
Yes,
representative,
so
when
this
bill
actually
was
originally
a
house
bill,
337
I
believe
in
the
22
regular
session
chairman
Hale
had
that
bill
I
had
this
bill
ready
to
go
at
the
beginning
of
session,
but
after
talking
with
Bill
drafters
and
to
get
into
Conformity
with
the
existing
statute,
that's
how
the
bill
ended.
Up
going
to
200
pages
is
just
streamlining,
but
the
the
most
substantial
substantial
part
of
this
is
actually
in
section
six.
That's
the
meat
of
everything.
The
rest
is
just
conforming
language.
A
D
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
House
Bill
40
dealing
with
admin,
administrative
regulations.
This
adds
a
new
option
to
deal
with
regulations
that
have
been
found
efficient
by
the
RS
committee.
So
the
current
process.
You
know
if
we
find
something
deficient,
we
are
sending
it
to
the
governor
and
at
that
point
they
can
choose
to
withdraw
the
regulation,
amend
it
in
Conformity
or
allow
it
to
become
effective.
Notwithstanding
the
finding
of
deficiency.
D
When
that
happens,
what
we
typically
do
is
we
will
roll
that
into
a
Senate,
Bill
65,
and
what
we've
done
the
past
few
years,
we'll
be
doing
that
in
a
few
weeks
and
the
legislative
body
as
a
whole
will
strike
these
regulations
so
a
more
efficient
process.
The
house
committee
sub
established
a
10-day
period
where
we
can
send
a
deficient
regulation
to
the
Attorney
General's
office.
D
The
Attorney
General
then
has
20
days
to
make
a
determine
termination
on
whether
or
not
that
deficiency
is
warranted,
in
which
case
the
regulation
would
become
null
void
and
unenforceable,
and
the
agency
would
also
be
Pro
inhibited
from
filing
or
refiling
identical
or
substantially
similar
regulation
for
one
year.
If
it's
unwarranted
everything's
the
same
as
it
as
it
always
is,
it
goes
to
the
governor.
That
is
the
bill.
I,
think
it's
more
efficient
process.
Again
we
meet
throughout
the
year
and
it's
it's
not
with
with
the
album.
A
A
F
You
Mr
chairman
I,
appreciate
that
it
is
Tom
Fitzgerald
I'm,
the
former
director
of
the
Kentucky
Resources
Council.
They
took
me
out
of
mothballs
for
one
more
session.
Mr
chairman,
the
current
director
is
Ashley.
F
Wilms
is
here
also
and
I
know
that
this
committee,
when
she
is
in
front
of
you,
will
be
every
bit
as
patient
and
kind
as
you
have
been
with
me
for
these
past
42
years
now,
43
years,
Mr
chairman
we've
talked
about
this
bill
when
it
was
houseboat,
337
and
I
just
want
to
make
very
briefly
a
couple
of
points.
F
I,
don't
believe
the
bill
is
necessary
because
the
number
of
deficient
regulations
that
have
been
identified
by
the
administrative
reg
committee
or
by
the
other
substantive
committee
since
2000
when
there
have
been
over
11
000
regulations
that
have
been
reviewed
is
less
is
right
at
three
tenths
of
one
percent
of
those
regulations
that
have
been
identified
as
deficient.
F
The
existing
framework
is
sufficient
to
cover
those
rare
circumstances
in
which
a
regulation
has
been
found
deficient.
There
have
been
more
this
year,
actually
I
think
there
have
been
six
this
year
out
of
out
of
66
regulations
reviewed
in
many
years.
There
have
been
absolutely
none
and
there
have
been
over
since
2000
up
through
2022.
There
were
a
grand
total
I,
think
of
25
regulations
out
of
the
10
000
or
more
that
have
actually
been
found
deficient
and
have
gone
into
effect.
So
I
don't
believe.
F
The
bill
is
necessary,
more
fundamentally
and
I
love
to
be
in
a
situation
of
having
to
tell
the
legislature
that
they
can't
do
things
it
makes
me
very
popular
is
there's
concerns
with
the
constitutionality
that
we've
discussed
that
before
and
I
know,
we
have
a
difference
of
opinion
on
it.
F
The
lrc
versus
brown
decision
made
Fairly,
clear,
I
think
that
the
legislature
during
the
interim
cannot
put
in
place
efforts
to
nullify
executive
branch
regulations
they
can,
when
they
come
back
into
session,
as
is
going
to
be
done
with
I
think
with
Senate
Bill
65.
This
session
is
to
ratify
those
regulations
found
deficients,
so
they
will
cease
to
be
when
the
legislature
adjourns,
but
there,
the
separation
of
Paris
in
in
the
Kentucky
Constitution,
is
a
what's
called.
F
A
Hard
separation
and
one
branch
cannot
use
serp
functions
that
are
reserved
to
another
Branch
here,
delegating
legislative
authority
to
the
attorney
general's
offices
of
concern
and
also
exercising
letting
the
ages
office
exercise
what
is
essentially
a
Judicial
function,
and
then
third,
the
legislature
during
the
interim,
cannot
nullify
a
regulation
either
directly
or
by
you
know,
they're
setting
a
time
frame
where
the
bill
will
become
null
and
void
unless
something
happens.
So
those
are
my
concerns,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
I
appreciate
it.
F
A
Thank
you,
Mr,
Fitzgerald
and,
and
let
me
say
this
Mr
Fitzgerald
has
has
been
always
very
courteous
with
me.
We've
had
this
discussion
in
the
past,
as
I
chaired
that
committee
for
four
years
prior
to
this
year
and
we've
had
this
conversation
before
I
will
allow.
Are
there
any
questions?
Any
of
the
members
would
like
to
ask
Mr
Fitzgerald.
We
certainly
will
allow
that.
C
Please
I've
been
I
was
when
I
came
down
here.
Tom
had
been
here
for
probably
20
years
before
that,
and
even
though
we
don't
always
see
eye
to
eye
he's.
Just
a
he's
he's
always
been
a
great
gentleman
to
work
with
and
I
hope.
This
isn't
your
last
session
I
hope
you
can
stick
around
a
lot
longer.
F
Representative
bratcher
I
appreciate
that
very
much
I
I
have
become
a
kind
of
an
institution.
I
guess
my
shoes
are
going
to
the
Fraser
History
Museum.
They
called
and
said
that
they
wanted
them.
I
said
thanks:
I
didn't
feel
old
enough.
Now
you
are
making
me
in
Antiquity
so
but
I
appreciate
that.
But
thank.
A
You,
sir,
thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you.
We
have
had
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
bill,
there's
being
no
further
discussion
or
questions
that
I
see
Madam
Secretary.
Would
you
please
call
the
road
Representative.
C
G
H
E
I
A
A
A
Our
second
item
on
the
agenda
today
we're
going
to
go
out
of
turn
just
a
little
bit
here,
representative
Banta,
you
are
going
to
be
up
next.
So
would
you
please
come
forward
at
this
time.
A
Good
afternoon
representative
Banta
representative
Banta
is
here
to
present
to
US
House
bill
70..
So
please
identify
yourself
for
the
record
ma'am
and
then
you
may
proceed
yes.
J
Sir,
thank
you
for
your
time.
Kim
Banta,
63rd,
District
you're,
going
to
need
to
pay
very,
very
close
attention,
because
this
is
extremely
complicated.
Okay,
we
want
to
give
lottery
winners.
Oh
a
motion
on
the
sub.
Please,
yes,
ma'am.
J
A
A
G
I'm
just
I'm
just
curious.
What
what
do
the
other
states
allow
in
terms
of
information
that
comes
out
in
regards
to
who
has
won?
What's
the
limit
that
they
set
or
is
there
I'm.
J
K
A
E
C
M
A
A
A
A
A
I
The
original
bill
is
filed,
staff
found
some
other
technical
changes
they
felt
was
necessary
to
include
while
we
were
going
through
this
process.
This
is
legislation
we
refer
to
as
the
housekeeping
bill
for
kppa
or
pension
Kentucky
public
pension
Authority.
There
was
also
one
other
section
in
the
in
the
legislation
in
the
original
version.
Some
questions
arose
between
c-e-r-s-k-e-r-s
and
Kentucky
League
of
cities.
My
suggestion
was
we
withdraw
that,
so
we
can
get
some
consensus
on
that,
so
that
was
that
section
was
removed
from
the
committee
sub
as
well.
So.
A
A
The
motion
on
the
committee
sub
passes,
representative
Tipton.
You
may
again
now
proceed
on
House
Bill
49,
as
amended
by
the
committee
substitute
thank.
I
You
Mr
chairman,
you
should
have
in
your
packet
in
Actuarial
analysis
from
kppa
on
this
bill.
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
to
you
on
page
two:
it
just
states
there
is
no
estimated
change
in
benefit
payments,
there's
no
estimated
change
to
employer
costs
and
it
may
provide
cost
savings
to
the
administrative
expenses
as
a
result
of
the
amended
disability
review
process,
which
I
will
explain
in
a
minute.
So
I
wanted
to
make
you
aware
of
that
housekeeping
Bill.
We
have
a
lot
of
things
that
are
truly
housekeeping.
I
Word
changes,
or
it
said
his
we've
put
his
or
her
in
I
will
note
that
the
staff
has
been
very
diligent
over
the
last
few
years
back
I
believe
it
was
the
2018
session
Senate
Bill
151
pass
at
legis.
Inflation
was
later
struck
down
by
the
Kentucky
Supreme
Court,
due
to
the
process
that
was
applied.
However,
those
those
the
terms
that
language
from
that
bill
have
been
in
her
statute
and
we
have.
We
do
have
some
situations
here
where
we
are
removing
that
language
from
Senate
Bill
151
that
was
struck
down.
I
That
is
part
of
the
housekeeping.
There
are
28
sections
and
I
know
everybody's
already
read
all
209
pages,
so
I
won't
go
over
all
of
it,
but
I
would
like
to
draw
your
attention
to
a
couple
of
changes.
One
of
them
would
be
in
section
10
you'll
find
that
on
page
60,
starting
on
page
60a
and-
and
this
is
in
regard
to
vocational
experts.
I
This
is
this
is
new
language,
and
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
when
there
are
reviews
done
on
retirees
who
are
drawing
disability,
retirement
and
and
the
question
the
question
arises,
whether
or
not
they're
they
return
to
work,
whether
it's
gainful
employment
or
not,
and
this
would
allow
a
vocational
expert
that
provide
those
that
provide
the
nest
to
serve
as
an
expert
and
evaluate
those
issues
and
reports
on
employment
relating
to
disability
reviews.
I
This
section
also
would
remove
the
review
of
a
physical
exertion
exertion
requirement
when
a
disability
is
due
solely
to
a
mental
illness,
and
it
also
specifies
that
disability
recipients
shall
return
excess
benefits
upon
disqualification
due
to
gain
Full
Employment,
and
that's
that
section
there's
one
other
additional
section.
That
is
a
new
provision.
It's
found
in
section
15,
starting
on
page
114
of
the
bill.
I
Currently,
when
someone
applies
for
disability
retirement
Insurance,
the
process
is,
there
are
three
medical
examiners
who
will
review
the
infamous
the
information
that
is
submitted
to
the
retirement
Authority
and
off,
and
essentially,
if
all
three
agree,
if
it's
two
to
one,
it
would
move
forward.
What
this
would
allow
for
is
initially
the
information
would
be
presented
to
one
medical
examiner
if
that
individual
determined
that
the
information
warrants
that
person
being
eligible
for
disability
retirement,
that
person
would
be
eligible.
I
However,
if
that
medical
examiner
were
to
say
no,
this
person
is
not
eligible
for
disability
retirement,
they
would
go
to
a
second
medical
examiner
would
be
brought
in
to
review
the
process.
If
that
second
medical
examiner
also
said,
no,
this
person
is
not
eligible
based
on
the
criteria,
then
the
disability
claim
would
be
denied.
I
However,
if
that
second
medical
examiner
said
that
yes,
I
believe,
there's
a
conflict
between
the
two
medical
examiners,
then,
and
only
then,
would
you
bring
in
the
third
medical
examiner
to
review
the
process
and
determine
where
that
person
is
eligible
for
disability
retirement
or
not.
It
would
it
would
speed
up
the
process
because
of
individuals
who
would
have
that
initial
claim
based
on
the
first,
and
it
would
also
we
believe
what
would
save
some
of
the
administrative
burden
on
that.
Those
are
the
two
major
changes.
I
What
I
will
call
new
policy
to
the
bill
like
I
said
I'd
be,
will
be
happy.
We've
got,
we've
got
the
experts
here
to
answer
any
questions.
You
have
but
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
but
I
wanted
to
point
out
those
two
substantial
changes
in
policy
that
are
part
of
this
legislation.
M
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
Are
there
any
questions
or
discussion?
Ribs
and
Graham?
Did
you
have
a
question,
sir?.
G
No
I
I,
remember
we.
We've
talked
about
this
in
the
off
session
and
I.
Remember
the
Retirement
Board
was
supportive
of
this
and
and
thought
this
was
the
best
method
by
which
to
to
go
so
I
I,
I,
I
support
the
bill.
I
think
it's
it's
a
fairness.
M
I
A
E
C
F
I
A
A
A
A
K
A
K
Go
right
ahead:
okay,
the
committee
should
have
should
have
received
the
committee
sub
yesterday
and
I
just
wanted
to
describe
it.
It
simply
adds
the
the
word
certificates
of
employability
to
the
bill
for
the
purpose
of
employee
qualifications.
For
those
that
don't
know,
certificates
of
employability
are
issued
by
state
courts
to
people
with
criminal
convictions
who
have
met
certain
standards
to
help
employers
make
better
informed
decisions
about
applicants
with
criminal
records.
A
G
K
A
Thank
you
may
proceed
on
the
house
house
bill
185,
as
amended
by
the
committee
substitute.
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
House,
Bill
185
is
a
bill
that
addresses
Kentucky's
continued
Workforce
challenges
that
we're
all
facing
the
intent
of
this
bill
is
simply
to
considering.
A
E
Opening
why
what
you're,
trying
to
do
isn't
satisfied
in
current
statute
language,
so
current
statute
says
the
secretary
shall
be
free
to
use
any
investigation
of
education
and
experience
in
any
test
of
capacity,
knowledge,
manual,
skill
character,
personal
traits
or
physical
fitness,
which
serves
the
need
to
discover
the
relative
Fitness.
So
how
is
it
what
you're
adding
in
is
different
than
what
is
already
in
statute
I.
K
Think,
specifically,
the
certificates
of
employability,
I.
K
Is
the
the
major
difference
everything
else?
This
just
really
focuses
the
and
recognized
professional
backgrounds
that
are
based
on
skill
and
competency
above
above
education
is
just
focusing
it.
K
Did
I
did
they're
not
opposed
to
it
they're
they're.
Let
me
know
that
they're
currently
assessing
these
positions
in
their
position.
They
they're
completely
they're
not
opposed
to
it.
This
again
we're
doing
the
same
thing
this
just
gives
permanence
to
to
the
to
the
verbiage
and
putting
these
change
into
statute.
So,
yes,
we're
we're
in
complete
agreement.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
representative
hammer.
N
Thank
you,
representative
Whitten,
want
to
thank
you,
I
think
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
just
to
codify
this
into
state
law,
even
if
the
cabinet's
already
doing
it
you're
just
saying
hey.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
do,
no
matter
who's
in
office.
You
know,
of
course
it's
a
gubernatorial
election
coming
up.
N
You
know,
that's
always
on
the
foresight
of
everyone's
mind,
so
I
appreciate
you
doing
this,
especially
with
Workforce
being
such
an
issue
that
so
many
of
us
run
on,
and
so
many
of
so
many
of
us
hear
from
constituents
just
recognizing
that
sometimes
your
skill
is
can
be
better
than
your
education,
and
so
thank
you
for
bringing
that
I.
Think
it's
a
great
talking
point
and
I
think
it's
even
better
that
we're
doing
that
we're
practicing
what
we
preach.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
it
and
for
codifying
this
into
statue.
Thank.
L
Representative
Whitton
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
bill
forward.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
I
like
to
do
is
I
like
to
always
catch
people,
doing
things
right,
I
like
to
catch
administrations,
doing
things
right
so
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
bill
forward,
so
we
can
actually
codify
something
an
Administration
doing
something
right.
So
thank
you.
A
A
A
O
O
Representative
Whitton
was
very,
very
gracious
in
reaching
out
to
us
and
making
sure
that
that
language
that
we
have
reviewed
it,
but
I
will
share
with
you
that
it
is
already
in
that
language
in
18a,
110,
1C
and
7c,
and
it
gives
us
the
whole
it
gives
this
position
not
particular
me,
but
this
position
a
broad,
broad
Arena
of
being
able
to
look
at
not
just
experience,
not
just
certificates,
not
just
licensures,
not
just
bachelor's
degree,
but
everything
and
that's
currently,
that's
what
we're
doing
right
now
and
just
just
like
representative
wouldn't
said
we
are
in
the
midst
of
looking
through
all
of
those
programs.
O
We
have
for
a
very
very
long
time,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
share
with
you
some
numbers.
Yes
ma'am,
you
may
proceed.
There
are
55
job
classifications
out
of
1165
that
have
a
degree
requirement
and
without
a
substitution
Clause.
So
the
big
part
of
that
is
to
understand
that
the
job
classes,
those
job
classes,
impact
only
about
870
positions
out
of
the
28
000,
but
I
do
want
to
share
with
you
that
of
those
that
we're
just
talking
about
that
is
being
impacted.
O
We
are
already
working
through
those
working
with
the
industry.
You've
got
to
work
with
the
industry
and
seeing
what's
happening,
we
have
to
work
with
the
agencies
to
make
sure
that
those
job
classes,
because
they
change
all
of
the
time
and
I,
don't
think
I'm
telling
you
all
that
you
know
that
it
is
looking
differently.
That's
why
representative
witness
here,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
you
all
know
that
we
are
excited
about
that.
O
We
are
already
working
through
this
process
and
have
been
for
for
years
in
1881,
10,
1C
and
7c
has
given
this
position
secretary,
a
Personnel
that
position
since
the
1960s
of
having
that
broad
look,
but
now,
just
more
than
ever
and
when
we're
looking
at
2022,
we
have
to
go
through
this.
We
have
to
look
through
it
and
make
sure
that
we're
answering
the
questions
that
you
may
have.
The
representatives
may
have,
and
that
I
just
want
to
share
with
you
that
we're
doing
that
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
have
those
numbers.
A
G
Sir,
so
Madam
Secretary
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
cabinet
is
comfortable
with
you're
already
doing
what
this
Bill
is
saying.
We
need
to
do.
O
That
is
correct
and
and
the
language
that
is
here
it's
broad
enough
to
be
able
to
it's
a
broad
stroke
that
it's
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
codified.
It's
in
the
statute
that
that
that,
regardless
of
what
who's
saying
what
secretary
it
is,
that's
there
they
have
that
broad
stroke
of
looking
at,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
just
like
Representatives
wouldn't
have
said,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
nothing
is
restrictive.
O
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
able
to
look
at
each
and
every
job
class
each
and
every
position
to
make
sure
that
if
something
that's
needed
today
may
not
be
needed
next
next
year
and
then,
of
course,
you've
got
a
few
of
those
positions
that
have
to
have
either
license
or
bachelor's
degree
like
a
biologist
or
forensic
biologist.
They
have
to
have
those.
G
G
O
Is
sufficient,
but
representative
Winton
does
have
other
particulars
that
she
wants
to
look
at,
but
it's
again
if
you've
got
a
broad
stroke
of
looking
at
certain
things
as
the
secretary
or
whomever,
because
we
have
to
go
through
each
agency
as
well
to
see
what
they
need.
A
C
M
I
A
The
motion
on
the
bill
passes
with
16,
yes,
votes
and
four
pass
votes.
The
motion
passes
with
favorable
expression
and
should
do
the
same
on
the
house
floor
representative
Whitton.
Thank
you
very
much.
Congratulations
today.
Thank
you,
each
one
for
being
with
us.
Are
there
any
members
at
this
time
that
would
like
to
record
any
yes
votes
or
any
votes
that
you
missed,
representative
whitton's
coming
to
the
microphone
and
she
may
proceed
at
this
time.
First,.
A
O
D
That
would
be
House
Bill
49
house
bill
70.