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A
A
Senator
Berg
I,
don't
see
her
here:
Senator
Boswell,
all
right,
Senator,
Harper
angel
and
then
Senator
Williams
that
spells
j
g
e
x
I've.
Never,
of
course,
I
didn't
come
from.
Where
are.
A
We've
got
folders
all
the
members.
Everybody
has
folders
right,
we're
gonna
start
with
calling
the
roll.
C
A
A
D
Thank
you.
If
you
would
please
bow
with
me:
dear
gracious,
Heavenly
Father,
we
come
to
you
so
humbly
this
morning
to
your
throne
of
Glory,
to
thank
you
for
the
precious
gift
of
life
that
you've
given
us
in
this
day
in
particular,
and
that's
you
to
help
us
use
it
to
do
your
willing
to
glorify
your
dear
Lord
and
be
the
best
version
of
ourselves
we
possibly
can
be.
We
thank
you
for
the
continued
blessings
on
this
body.
D
The
people
in
this
committee
meeting
our
communities,
our
state
and
our
nation,
where
we
have
some
particular
blessings
on
our
military
personnel,
our
law
enforcement,
our
First
Responders,
all
those
individuals
who
are
willing
to
place
their
lives
on
the
line
for
us
each
and
every
day.
We
also
ask
you
to
be
with
our
family
members
and
support
them
as
they
deal
with
the
stress
that
goes
along
with
being
in
occupations
those
occupations.
Lastly,
we
thank
you
for
your
son,
Jesus
Christ
that
we
may
know
everlasting
life.
We
ask
these
things
in
his
name:
amen,
amen,.
A
Thank
you
today,
our
first
meeting
we've
got
a
bill
from
Central
schickel
and
if
he'll
come
forward
and
introduce
himself
we'll
hear
the
bill.
E
Good
morning,
Mr,
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
John
shirko
and
I
serve
in
the
Senate.
It's
an
honor
to
be
before
you
today,
especially
the
first
meeting
in
your
first
meeting.
Mr
chairman
and
I'm
grateful
that
you're
going
to
hear
this
important
piece
of
legislation.
E
This
piece
of
legislation
is
not
new
to
the
Senate.
It
was
passed
overwhelmingly
by
the
Senate
last
year
and
many
of
you
who
sit
on
the
committee
or
co-sponsors
as
well
as
almost
half
the
chamber
in
the
Senate
his
co-sponsors.
This
legislation,
the
bill,
is
very
simple
and
it's
to
open
up
the
road
between
the
annex
and
the
capital,
and
my
reasons
for
this
are
several,
and
it's
been
interesting
because
over
the
last
two
years,
as
I've
been
working
on
this
I've
heard
from
people
where
more
reasons
are
popping
up.
E
That
I
wasn't
even
aware
of
you're
going
to
hear
some
testimony
from
our
friends
in
the
State
Police
who
oppose
the
legislation
or
oppose
this
bill,
and
I
would
like
to
ask
Mr
chairman
after
they
testify
I'd,
be
allowed
to
answer
any
questions,
because
I
think
I
do
have
questions
to
or
answers
to
all
of
their
concerns.
E
But
the
reason
for
the
legislation
is
is
we
always
have
to
balance
security
with
an
open
government,
an
open
government
to
our
people
and
I
love
our
state
capital
I?
Think
we
have
one
of
the
most
beautiful
state
capitals
in
the
country
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
do
during
the
interim
is
I
bring
adult
field
trips
down
here
to
Frankfurt
from
people
from
my
district
and
they
really
enjoy
it.
E
It's
a
I
try
to
do
maybe
two
or
three
a
year
and
one
of
the
things
that's
so
unique
about
our
capital
is
if
you're,
a
senior
citizen
or
you're
handicapped
without
ever
getting
out
of
the
car
it
used
to
be.
You
could
come
down
and
see
the
clock.
You
could
come
down
and
see
the
capital.
You
could
see
our
beautiful
Governor's
Mansion.
You
could
see
the
Rose
Garden
next
to
the
Enix.
E
The
other
thing
is:
is
that
the
and
I
really
wasn't
aware
of
this
when
I
filed
the
legislation,
I've
gotten
complaints
recently
and
supported
this
legislation,
I
shouldn't
say
recently
over
the
last
year
about
the
increased
traffic
behind
the
building
and
on
the
streets
right
around
Frankfort,
where
people
are
getting
out
of
their
cars
in
the
back
parking
lot
on
the
side
parking
lot
and
all
this
traffic
is
coming
through
and
they're
afraid
they're
going
to
get
run
over
because
now,
since
they
can't
use
that
front
drive,
people
come
with
children
for
field
trips,
School
groups,
all
kinds
of
things
and
all
this
traffic
is
being
routed
back
behind
the
building
which,
which
the
parking
lot
just
wasn't
designed
for.
E
I
understand
the
governor's
concerns
and
I
really
want
to
tell
you
I
respect
the
governor
and
his
position,
and
we
just
simply
disagree
on
this
I
think
it
was
an
overreaction
and
I
also
want
to
share
with
the
committee
I.
Think.
E
Most
of
you
know
this,
but
I'm
a
retired
police
officer
and
I
served
a
U.S
Marshal
for
the
eastern
district
of
Kentucky
under
George
W
bush
and
was
the
was
on
The
Joint
terrorism
task
force
appointed
by
John
Ashcroft
to
assess
terrorism
threats
during
President
Bush's
tenure
had
a
top
secret
security
clearance.
E
No
I
don't
have
any
documents
in
my
garage,
but
but
I
had
a
top
secret
security
clearance,
so
I'm
well
aware
of
threats
and
and
and
analyzing
threats,
so
I
respect
our
friends
from
the
state
police
and
what
they
have
to
say,
but
all
of
the
concerns
can
be
addressed
in
other
ways:
I'm
confident
of
that
and
I.
Also,
if
you
look
at
the
bill,
the
bill
does
not
say
just
you
have
to
close
the
road.
E
A
All
right,
I
do
have
one
question
and
then
I'll,
let
you
come
back
after
the
state
police.
Do
that
Centerburg.
F
Thank
you,
sir,
and
this
is
not
necessarily
a
question
for
you
because
I
don't
know
that
you'll
know
the
answer,
but
this
is
just
when
I
was
reading
the
bill.
Last
night,
my
my
one
concern
was:
if
we've
actually
had
some
sort
of
safety
evaluation
that
recommended
these,
and
then
we
pass
a
bill
specifically
to
take
them
down.
F
E
First
of
all,
you
have
liability
when
you
get
up
in
the
morning
and
so
I
can't
I
ca.
I
can't
answer
your
question
directly,
but
I
will
say
that
I
take
issue
with
the
fact
that
there
was
recommended
that
that
road
be
permanently
closed.
E
It
that
there
were
several.
There
was
a
whole
portfolio
of
security
recommendations
that,
and
many
of
them
have
not
been
been
done,
and
this
bill
does
not
say
close
that
road
completely.
It
says
open
the
road
unless
there's
a
reason
to
close
it,
which
I
think
is
the
is
the
perfect
Middle
Ground.
You
know
when
I
was
doing
the
threat,
assessments
and
working
with
the
Secret
Service
and
the
ATF
back
in
my
law
enforcement
days.
E
There
was
always
a
balance
there
and
honestly,
someone
looking
at
it
from
a
strictly
security
standpoint
would
like
all
the
buildings
and
we
wouldn't
have
visitors.
So
that's
the
one
extreme
The
Other
Extreme
is.
Is
you
don't
have
any
security
at
all?
I
think
this
is
a
good
balance.
We
are
here
Senator.
The
reason
we're
here
is
to
be
accessible
to
the
public
if
the
public
cannot
enjoy
the
capital.
Why
are
we
even
here?
Why
do
we
have
a
Rose
Garden?
Why
do
we
have
a
floor
clock?
Why
do
we
have
a
beautiful
Capital?
E
It
just
seems
to
me
that,
again,
with
all
due
respect
to
the
governor,
this
was
an
overreaction
and
I
will
also
point
out
to
you
in
the
meeting
on
which
this
was
decided.
There
was
not
one
elected
person
there
from
the
Kentucky
State
Senate.
A
Do
you
have
any
more
questions?
Well,.
F
Just
a
quick
follow-up
so
as
far
as
us,
exposing
ourselves
to
liability
because
I
mean
I
know
you.
You
expose
yourself
to
liability
when
you
wake
up
in
the
morning.
There's
no
question,
but
we
we
want
to
intentionally
minimize
that
I
mean
if
we
are
intentionally
going
and
overriding
what
was
recommended.
F
Does
that
put
us
at
liability?
If
somebody
does
what
the
barriers
are
supposed
to
prevent,
which
is
Park
a
bomb
between
the
two
buildings
in
a
truck
and
blow
it
up?
Are
we
accepting
liability
for
that
by
so
narrowly
defining
this
law
to
open
up
this
one
particular
passageway
which,
by
the
way
the
building
is
locked,
sir,
and
you
know
that
we
either
have
cards
to
get
in
or
you
go
through
security.
E
Well,
first
of
all,
the
the
building
the
front
door
of
the
building
is
not
locked,
but
you
have
to
come
through
and
go
to
go
through
security,
yes,
but
I
I
guess
again.
I
would,
with
the
with
Mr
chairman
I.
Excuse
me
for
repeating
myself,
but
again,
I
would
say
that
I
I
disagree
with
the
premise
of
your
question,
because
we
we,
the
governor,
narrowly
defined
the
recommendation
and
I,
don't
think
this
bill
narrowly
defines
anything.
This
bill
leaves
wide
discretion
to
law
enforcement,
but
I
respect
the
governor's
opinion.
E
A
A
Yeah
and
we're
not
going
to
relieve
ourselves
of
liability
if
they
set
off
in
front
of
the
Capitol
that
don't
make
us
unliable,
because
we
still
close
the
road
it
ain't
going
to
make
us
unliable
if
they
drive
through
the
grass
and
blow
it
up
in
the
middle,
so
we're
not
going
to
relieve
ourselves
of
liability.
One
reason
we're
not
going
to
we've
got
a
whole
lot
of
attorneys
out
here.
That's
starving
to
death,
so
they're
going
to
go
after
us.
So
no
it's
not
going
to
relieve
us
of
any
liability.
A
There
can
be
liability
in
anything.
You
do.
You
know.
You
know
the
interstate's
70
mile
an
hour
if
I,
if
I
presume
that
I
got
killed
because
I
was
driving,
70
and
I
should
have
been
driving
60.
You
know
so
there's
things
that
you
can
pick
anything
and
you
all
see
some
of
the
things
I've
that
my
company
or
my
my
constituents
have
been
sued
for
and
so
no
you're
not
going
to
relieve
yourself
of
liability,
whether
you
close
it
open
it
or
whatever.
A
It
is
in
my
in
my
opinion
now
again,
I'm,
not
an
attorney,
but
censorship
will
bring
you
back.
We're
gonna
yeah,
sir,
if
you'll
come
forward
and
introduce
yourself
and
we
will
hear
your
opposition
and
then
hopefully
you
won't
put
my
name
out
there
on
the
road
when
I'm
going
up
down
that
road.
Send
me
a
mile
an
hour
you
know
kind
of
and
if
I
have
to
I'll
disown
shekel
thanks.
G
Okay,
we
recommended
the
road
be
closed,
based
off
of
a
secret
Secret
Service
did
a
security
survey
back
in
2001
and
then
Homeland
Security
did
a
security
survey
in
2021.
So.
G
That
the
road
be
closed
so
and
that
that's
our
stance
on
that
to
prevent,
like
you,
were
talking
about
an
explosive,
a
vehicle
being
brought
in
ex
use
it
with
explosives,
and
that
creates
one.
It's
going
to
damage
the
historic
buildings
to
people
are
going
to
be
injured
or
killed,
and
then
a
third
thing
that's
going
to
do.
It
could
affect
the.
B
In
that
recommendation,
so
my
son
lives
in
a
gated
community
with
his
own
private
Air
Force.
It's
an
Air
Force
Base,
his
own
private
Street,
not
quite
a
private
strip,
but
we
go
in
and
out
over
the
last
few
years
and
there's
a
big
difference
in
security
levels
based
upon
the
threat
level
in
the
country
and
it's
very
difficult
to
get
in
when
there's
a
high
Threat
Level
and
it's
it's.
B
G
J
A
J
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
I
guess
my
question:
is
you
look
at
the
situation
of
the
the
road
between
the
two
buildings,
the
road
that
goes
in
front
of
the
governor's
mansion
and
next
to
the
to
the
Capitol
and
on
the
other
side
of
the
Capitol?
You
know
those
are
equally
as
close
as,
as
you
know,
the
access
road
between
the
the
row
between
the
Annex
and
the
capital
was
there
any
consideration
that
blocking
the
you
know,
cutting
off
the
whole
thing.
I.
A
G
J
J
H
J
G
A
All
right,
Centerburg
has
a
another
question.
F
G
Well,
like
I
said
they
wanted
to
fence
up
the
whole
perimeter
of
the
capital
campus,
and
then
you
would
have
vehicle
checkpoints
at
all.
The
roads
coming
in
you'd
have
more
you'd
have
pedestrian
checkpoints
where
people
are
walking
on
the
sidewalk,
so
there
was
a
there
was
a
lot
more
to
it.
It
would
kind
of
be
real
similar
to
the
U.S
Capitol.
F
G
A
I
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
major.
Thank
you
for
the
job
that
KSP
and
you
guys
do
for
us
here
at
the
Capitol,
and
you
guys
are
our
security
detail.
Thank
you
and
you
take
good
care
of
us
and
we
appreciate
you
a
lot.
Thank
you
probably
not
get
as
much
appreciation
as
you
deserve
so,
but
it
doesn't
go
unnoticed
and
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
first
of
all,
I
do
want
to
answer
a
question
about
the
law.
I
I
So
just
so
you
know
that,
of
course,
my
insurance
expert
down
here,
Mr
chairman
he
he
knows
insurance
and
so
and
that's
one
of
the
things
I've
worked
in
Insurance
before
liability
is
always
a
concern
and
I've
worked
in
law
office
too,
and,
and
you
cannot
waive
liability
even
if
you
sign
a
form,
you
can't
waive
it
so
in
regards
to
that.
But
one
of
the
things
that,
like
I,
appreciate
you
saying
that
whole
campus
should
be
set
down
because.
G
I
Always
thought
you
know,
our
Chambers
are
right
on
the
end
of
that
capital
and
they
can
pull
up
closer
to
the
end
of
the
capital
than
they
can
the
back
of
the
capital
that's
shut
down,
and
if
somebody
pulled
up
next
to
that
and
exploded,
I
mean
the
whole
Senate
could
be
gone
or
the
whole
house
could
be
gone
and
that's
one
of
the
issues
that,
when
you're
thinking
about
security,
I
think
too
as
well.
But
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
Thank
you.
H
H
If
you
go
to
a
lawyer,
he's
going
to
recommend
things
that
you
may
or
not
need,
but
he's
going
to
do
everything
to
cover
his
own
basis
and
I
think
that
the
the
law
enforcement
agencies
in
this
thing
have
done
what
they
recommend
to
cover
all
their
bases
and
I,
respect
that
but
I
agree
with
Senator
schickel
that
this
road
should
be
open.
A
All
right,
Center,
Meredith.
D
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
and
I'm
sure.
All
these
things
are
done
in
abundance
of
caution
and
nobody
can
be
critical
of
that,
but
I
think
it
is
interesting,
though,
that
the
recommendations
should
close
both
roads,
but
we
chose
to
close
the
one
between
the
capital
and
x
and
I
think
that
kind
of
suggests
to
me
that
somebody
made
the
decision
that
the
executive
branch
judicial
branch
is
more
important.
The
legislative,
Brands
Were
Expendable
for
us.
So
that's
probably
something
I.
Take
a
strong
look
at
in.
D
The
the
six
years
I've
been
here,
probably
the
the
most
concerned
I've
ever
been
about.
My
personal
safety
has
been
in
the
capital
itself
with
the
groups
that
we
have
in
the
Rotunda
and
it's
gets
very
loud
and
sometimes
there's
way
too
many
people
in
there
and
that
that
concerns
me
greatly.
You
don't
know
who
some
of
those
people
are,
and
sometimes
they're
variable,
vociferous
and
very
critical.
It's
been
so
loud,
sometimes
I.
D
We
can't
even
hear
ourselves
speak
within
our
Senate
chambers
and
I
wonder
if
that's
part
of
the
security
review
and
again
I
have
abundance
of
cautions.
So
we
limit
the
number
of
people
who
are
in
the
the
capital
at
any
one
time.
I
don't
know.
I
I,
wouldn't
support
that,
but
I
hate
the
message
that
it
sends
to
the
public.
D
D
But
if
we
constantly
live
in
fear
of
what
might
happen
that
we're
not
a
free
people
at
all
so
I
know,
there's
a
balance
there
somewhere
and
I
really
think
closing
that
road
sends
such
a
bad
message
to
the
public
that,
just
symbolically
it
doesn't
I
think
take
priority
over
some
other
things
that
we
can
do.
You
know
we
can
talk
about
what
we
have
done
within
our
captain
on
our
Annex,
but
it's
still
not
that
secure
and
cinderberg.
You
know
on
Euros
Corridor,
there's
not
a
there's,
not
a
locking
mechanism
in
it.
D
I
usually
go
down
that
back
way,
so
I
don't
have
to
use
my
badge,
so
it
looks
like
there's
other
priorities
that
should
be
addressed
before
we
take
this
one
and
I
think
we
took
this
one
because
it
has
such
obvious
appearance
and
that
just
I
think
it
sends
a
bad
message
to
our
constituents
but
respect
your
position
on
this
greatly.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
chair.
B
B
J
J
We
need
to
do
something
here
with
the
check-in
at
security
in
the
mornings,
when
people
are
trying
to
add
someone
in
my
office
that
they
I
think
they
were,
they
were
mad
enough
to
fight
over
the
time
that
they
wait
outside
and
that
was
in
good
weather
and
I
know.
That's
not
your
I'm,
just
just
I
guess
just
saying
that
out
loud,
so
somebody
somebody
hears
we
should.
We
should
address
that.
But
anyway
again,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
thank
you
for
what
the
Kentucky
State
Police
does.
J
C
E
In
closing,
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone-
and
I,
don't
think
is
that
people
do
come
to
Frankfurt
to
see
the
Christmas
tree
to
see
the
governor's
mansion
to
see
our
Capital
to
see
the
Rose
Garden.
Many
of
them
are
senior
citizens.
It's
completely
a
driving
tour
for
them.
They
don't
ever
get
out
of
their
cars.
A
C
F
Sorry.
I
love.
You
I'm
gonna,
vote.
No
I
honestly
think
we
had,
you
know,
recommendations
to
secure
the
campus
they
weren't
followed,
because
everybody
would
agree
that
they
would
lock
down
the
campus
and
they
would
really
really
hurt
the
ability
of
people
to
come
and
see
and
share
and
I.
So
sympathize
with
your
concern
that
people
who
are
driving
through
the
campus
can't
drive
through
that
road
I
agree
with
you.
That
is
a
big
problem.
F
On
the
other
hand,
you
know
I've
been
raised
in
a
threat
environment.
That's
probably
different
than
what
most
people
in
this
room
have
been
raised
in
and
I
understand
the
needs
for
these
things
and
I
see
all
over
the
country
where
they
actually
do
work
and
they
save
lives
so
I'm
going
to
vote
no.
But
thank
you.
Thank
you.
J
Explain
my
I
vote.
Please
I
vote
on
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
see
that
that
there
is
room
if
there's
a
heightened
security,
alert
or
or
something
that's
that
needs
for
some
reason.
For
security
reasons,
it
needs
to
be
shut
down
that
that's
that's
still
possible.
So
thank
you.
B
I
represent
this
Franklin
County
and
I
really
enjoyed
shaking
hands
with
the
governor
of
the
community
during
the
Christmas
parade,
and
we
shook
hands
standing
right
over
on
that
road
with
a
mob
on
the
road
and
I'm
sure.
If
the
Threat
Level
had
been
such
that
that
was
a
concern
they
wouldn't
have
had
that
Christmas
parade
go
right
there
and
the
governor
wouldn't
have
been
sitting
right
there
over
the
top
of
the
Capitol,
where
we
could
shake
hands
and
enjoy,
and
that's
I
think
fortunately,
because
of
our
great
police
and
military.
B
We
for
the
most
part
can
enjoy
that
level
of
Safety
and
Security
certain
times.
If
there's
a
threat
level,
they
would
not
have
had
that
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
people
in
this
community
have
talked
about
that
floral
clock
and
what
a
source
of
Pride
it
is
internationally,
because
people
come
from
all
over
the
world
to
see
it.
So
I
vote,
I
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
continue
to
shake
the
governor's
hand
right
there
in
the
middle
of
Capitol
year
after
year,.
I
Explained
my
vote
I'm
going
to
vote
I
on
this
and
I
really
appreciate
the
room
that
is
left
in
there.
Of
course,
now
it's
all
set
up.
They
can
just
pull
out
the
barriers
and
open
it
up
and
if
they
need
to
close
it,
they
can
set
them
right
back
up.
So
I
see
that
there
is
room
for
there
in
case
there
are
threats
and
I
really
want
to
see
the
road
opened
up
to
for
people
coming
up
here.
So
thank
you
for
the
bill.
A
Aye
I'm
not
like
Central
Berg
I,
don't
really
love
you,
but
I'll
vote
I.
A
Oh,
the
bill
passes.
I
was
supposed
to
announce
that
so
Central
sickle.
Congratulations
can
I
entertain
a
you,
won't
say
something
else.
F
I'll
tell
you
I
love,
you
no
I
think
this
is
my
first
meeting
I
think
I
just
got
assigned
to
this
committee,
so
I
just
wanted
to
tell
you
all
just
so
you
that
you
know
my
father
was
a
very,
very
proud
veteran
for
years
in
World,
War,
II
I,
don't
want
to
say
this
wrong,
but
I
think
it
was
a
lieutenant
colonel
and
I
myself
served
as
chief
of
radiology
at
the
department
of
at
the
veteran
hospital
in
Louisville
Lux
VA
for
I,
believe
seven
years,
seven
years
and
I
have
proudly
proudly
served
as
a
physician
to
our
veterans
for
over
30
years
now
and
I
just
wanted
to
to
share
that
experience
so
that
you
all
knew
what
my
background
was
coming
to
this
committee.
A
Thank
you,
santaberg
I'd
like
to
entertain
a
motion
to
get
out
of
here:
Russian
German,
Center
Deneen
second
by
Senator,
Boswell,
see
probably
next
Thursday.