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A
Welcome
everyone.
Would
you
please
silence
your
cell
phones
I'd
like
to
make
a
quick
announcement.
There
is
we
are
allowing
people
to
stand,
but
there
is
Overflow
in
Scent
room
the
room
149
down
the
hall.
A
If
you
wish
to
speak,
you
in
the
Senate
education
committee,
you're
required
to
sign
in
and
you're
required
to
do
that
now.
I
have
a
list
here.
If
you
want
to
speak,
you
have
to
sign
in
so
go
ahead
and
get
with
staff
right
now.
A
A
B
Thank
you,
chairman,
wise
and
good
morning.
I
have
a
number
of
students
from
the
Fayette
County,
not
students.
Excuse
me
a
number
of
teachers
from
the
Fayette
County
Public
Schools
here
this
morning.
I
don't
have
their
names,
but
I'll
ask
there
are
seven
of
them.
I
do
know.
I
would
ask
them
to
stand
there
from
Frederick
Douglass,
High,
School,
Crawford,
Middle,
School,
Henry,
Clay,
High,
School
and
Carterville
Elementary,
so
I
want
to
welcome
them
to
the
education
committee
and
and
thank
you
for
your
participation
here
today.
B
C
A
A
E
You
all
Senator
Max
wise
center
for
the
16th
Senate
District
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
this
morning
and
Mr
chairman
I
know
that
we
are
pressed
for
time
and
with
having
a
lengthy
agenda.
I'll
get
right
into
the
specifics
of
Senate
Bill
150
rights
in
public
schools.
E
The
purpose
of
this
bill
is
to
ensure
parental
communication,
inspection
and
authorization,
as
it
relates
to
three
key
things:
health
services
that
are
offered
and
recommended
by
schools,
two
School
curriculum
transparency
on
the
subject
of
human
sexuality
and
three,
the
protection
of
First
Amendment
freedoms
of
staff
and
students.
What
you
had
before
you
is
Senate
bill.
150.,
you
don't
have
a
bill,
that's
from
another
chamber.
E
You
don't
have
a
bill,
that's
filed
by
another
member.
You
have
before
you
the
bill
of
Senate
Bill
150
that
I
filed
last
session.
We
had
a
bill
called
the
teaching
American
principles
act
that
I'd
followed
and
many
times
we
filed
bills.
Other
things
out
there
get
construed
and
put
into
pieces
of
legislation
that
are
not
our
own.
So
what
you
have
before
you
today
is
the
bill
that
you
have
that
we
will
be
focused
on
And
discussing.
Let's
talk
first
about
health
services.
E
E
Lastly,
the
local
school
board
shall
not
mandate
that
school,
Personnel
or
students
must
use
a
student's
non-conforming
pronoun,
as
the
bill
relates
to
curriculum
any
public
school
course.
Curriculum
program
or
instructions
on
the
subject
of
human
sexuality
must
provide
parents,
a
two-week
prior
notice,
an
opportunity
to
inspect
and
a
process
requesting
an
alternative
assignment
if
the
parent
and
child
wish
nothing
prohibits
discussion
of
human
sexuality
that
provides
context
within
approved
curriculum,
nor
prohibits
related
student
questions.
E
E
E
The
bill
does
not
prohibit
discussion
or
related
student
questions
of
human
sexuality
or
the
sexuality
of
historic
person
or
group
that
provides
context
within
approved
curriculum,
and
the
bill
does
not
prevent
schools
from
withholding
student
information
from
a
parent.
If
previous
parent
history
might
indicate
the
potential
for
abuse
or
neglected
home,
which
I
have
previously
said
already
so.
Lastly,
what
does
the
bill?
Do
it
provides
parameters
it
provides
processes
within
which
local
school
boards
will
promote
parent
engagement?
E
The
bill
will
ensure
that
there
is
school
communication
with
parents
about
the
school
health
services
that
are
offered
and
recommended,
and
then
giving
that
parent.
The
invitation
to
pre-inspect
those
instructional
materials
that
I've
already
discussed
today,
as
well
as
protecting
the
freedom
of
speech,
rights
of
staff
and
students
by
not
forcing
them
to
use
non-conforming
pronouns
requested
by
other
students,
Mr
chairman,
that
is
Senate
Bill
150.
That
is
before
you
today,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
any
comments
from
any
members.
If
they
may
have
some.
A
A
B
B
G
B
Okay,
however,
what
I
find
as
significant
Omission
is
that
they're
they're
not
required
to
not
disclose
that
if,
if,
if
the
district
determines
that
outing,
a
child
with
regard
to
their
sexuality
is
going
to
result
in
Acts
of
dependency,
neglect
or
abuse,
those
are
serious
concerns
for
a
child.
Should
we
require
the
the
School
District
or
School
Personnel
to
not
disclose
that.
B
Here's
my
question,
and
you
can
help
me
with
this:
a
child
comes
to
a
teacher
and
says
you
know:
I
I
am
of
a
sex
different
than
I
was
born.
You
know,
I
I,
I,
I,
I
just
feel
it
differently,
but
I
know
from
what
my
parents
have
said
and
from
statements
they've
made
watching
television
on
the
news
with
their
friends.
If
I
disclose
this
I'm
going
to
be
beaten
down,
okay
and
I
need
help
as
a
child.
B
I
need
help
and
that's
what
they
say
is
the
district
protected
if
they
don't
disclose
that
to
the
parents.
That's
that
that's
the
loophole.
I
see
here.
That's
the
lack
of
clarity.
I
see
in
this
proposed
legislation.
So
answer
that,
for
me,
please
well.
E
I
would
hope
that
the
district
would
have
a
policy
in
place
to
be
able
to
deal
with
that
situation
if
it
were
to
arise.
You
know
we
want
to
make
sure,
though,
that
parents,
you
know,
have
open
communication
lines
within
the
school
district
and,
if
there's
something
that
there
that
the
parents
needs
to
be
aware
of,
a
parent
needs
to
be
notified
about
a
situation
if
it
may
arise
that
may
endanger
their
child.
B
So
if
a
school
given
the
given
the
scenario,
I
just
described
to
you
again,
I'm
just
trying
to
get
an
answer,
that's
all
if,
if
a
school
district
decided
that
we're
not
going
to
disclose
that,
because
the
the
comments
a
child
has
made
that
they
know
their
parents
what
what
really
beat
them
down?
That's
that's
why
I
said.
B
And
I'll
ask
you
a
question.
The
child
said
I
know
from
comments.
My
parents
have
made
about
lgbtq
communities.
I
know
you
know
what
what
they
said
to
their
friends.
I
I
know
what
they
said
when
they
hear
news
stories.
I
know
how
they
react.
So
that's
that's
the
knowledge
that
the
the
student
this
child
is
giving
to
the
school
professional
and
in
a
plea
for
help.
So
that's
that's
what
the
child
is
saying.
B
I
know
how
my
parents
are
going
to
act.
Can
a
school
the
way,
I
read
this
the
way
I
read
this:
the
school
district
was
still
have
to
inform
the
parents.
If
the
child
is
seeking
help,
I,
don't
I,
don't
I,
don't
I,
don't
I
I,
don't
see
how
5D
really
helps
the
school
district,
provide
them
any
guidance
in
that
area.
B
The
bill
seems
to
require
teachers
to
be
able
to
use
pronouns.
He
or
she
that
the
child
may
feel
uncomfortable
with
may
be
embarrassed
by
may
feel
harmed.
Okay,
I,
don't
see
how
an
educational
context
or
or
in
a
in
a
human
psychological
counseling
context
how
that's
beneficial
for
the
child.
The
the
language
is
clear
that
that
teachers
are
not
prohibited
from
using
pronouns.
He
or
she
that
are
contrary
to
the
gender
identity
of
the
child.
B
B
The
Kentucky
Board
of
Education
or
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Education
shall
not
require
there's
that
word
again
require
or
recommend
policies
or
procedures
for
the
use
of
pronouns
that
do
not
conform
to
students.
Biological
sex,
as
indicated
on
the
student's
original
unedited
birth
certificate
issued
at
the
time
of
birth
pursuant
to
KRS.
B
156.0702
G2,
okay,
then
paragraph
C,
a
local
school
district
such
as
my
school
district
Fayette
County,
shall
not
require
School
Personnel
students
to
use
pronouns
for
students
that
do
not
conform
to
the
to
the
particular
students,
biological
sex,
as
reference
paragraph
via
this
subsection.
So
simply
said
it
stated.
You
know:
I've
read
the
statute.
If
a
teacher
uses
out
of
form
a
pronoun
that
the
child
says
well,
I,
don't
identify
that
pronoun
that
teacher's
not
barred
from
doing
that.
That
teacher
cannot
be
sanctioned.
B
How
is
that
helping
the
health
and
safety
or
self-esteem
of
the
child?
Center-Wise?
That's
my
question
to
you.
The.
C
Thank
you,
Senator
wise
I
find
this
piece
of
legislation
that
this
bill
that's
been
issued
to
be
so
valuable
and
and
so
needed.
The
same
section
is
where
my
questions
are
five
b
and
5c
that
very
same
section.
C
E
H
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
Senator
wise
for
the
presentation.
Looking
back
at
on
page
two
section
5D,
the
senator
Thomas
was
speaking
about
I
could
Envision
as
an
administrator
within
a
school
system
under
these
circumstances
that
this
situation
would
not
just
end
at
that
at
that
acknowledgment
from
the
child
or
those
statements
from
the
child
that
there
would
be
extensive
services
that
would
be
offered,
and
perhaps
dcbs
involved,
to
try
to
bridge
this
issue
between
the
child
and
the
parents.
E
I
Yes,
thank
you,
I
would
have
to
agree
with
Senator
funky
frommeyer,
I
I
think
this
is
a
really
great
start
to
getting
parents
back
involved
in
the
process
of
where
we've
seemingly
been
left
out
of
really
important
issues
in
our
children's
lives.
One
of
the
questions
that
I
had
said
a
school
shall
notice
notifies
this
section.
One
three
B
student
shall
notify
School
shall
notify
a
student's
parents
if
a
school
Personnel
make
a
referral
for
the
student
to
receive
a
school's
Health,
Service
or
mental
health
services,
or
a
referral
for
an
external
health
care
provider.
I
I
J
I
Section
two:
in
reference
to
sexually
related
content
and
curriculum,
it's
spelled
out
in
section
2-2,
any
course
curriculum
or
program.
This
word
program,
especially
in
relation
to
sexually
related
content.
Would
this
be
a
drag
show?
Could
that
that
open
the
door
for
that
to
come
into
our
schools,
we're
seeing
it
happen
in
other
states.
E
I
think
programs
can
have
a
lot
of
interpretations
in
terms
of
probably
being
specifically
a
school
program
or
a
school
activity.
It
could
be
something
I
know
of
of
my
children
in
public
school
could
be
a
guest
speaker
that
may
be
coming
to
the
school
I.
Think
we
look
at
program.
You
know
it
has
a
lot
of
interpretations
where
that
can
be
used.
E
A
K
A
K
Mr
chair,
if
I
could
I'd
just
like
to
ask
the
sponsor
of
the
bill
a
couple
quick
questions:
center-wise,
do
you
believe
a
parent
has
a
fundamental
right
to
make
the
decisions
for
their
minor
children
and
the
upbringing
and
their
educational
opportunities.
100.
E
K
K
K
K
The
processes
and
policies
of
the
Department
of
Education
are
in
direct
violation
of
this
United
States
Supreme
Court
decision
that
was
handed
down
in
2000.,
and
they
fail
to
recognize
that
they
are
usurping
the
parents,
fundamental
right
to
make
decisions
for
their
minor
child
I.
Second,
the
Senator's
motion
for
vote
on
the
bill.
A
Thank
you,
Senator
Thomas.
We
have
to
move
on.
We
have
people
to
speak.
Other
people
speak
on
the
bill.
We
got
stay
on
schedule,
so
we
have
a
motion
and
we
have
a
second
I'm
going
to
hold
off
right
now
on
those
motions
I'm
going
to
allow
some
people
have
signed
up
to
speak
against
and,
as
I
say,
we're
short
on
time.
We
got
about
10
minutes
in
this
segment,
so
we're
gonna
do
two
minute
increments
and
we're
going
to
time
it
and
keep
you
pretty
tight.
A
L
Chairman
I
won't.
L
Won't
even
take
two
minutes:
I'm
Chris,
Hartman
I
use
he
him
pronouns
I'm
executive
director
of
the
fairness
campaign
and
I
will
be
very
brief.
L
A
Thank
you
so
much
you,
you
did
keep
it
under
two
minutes.
That
was
that
was
great.
Thank
you.
Lori
Grimes
is
up
next
and
miles.
Joyner
will
be
up
after
Mrs
Grimes.
If
you
could
state
your
name
for
the
record
and
proceed
yes.
J
Thank
you
for
having
me
here,
Mr
chairman
and
committee
I'm
Dr,
Laurie,
Mount,
Grimes
I'm,
the
legislative
agent
for
the
Kentucky
Psychological,
Association
and
I'm.
Also
a
practicing
pediatric
psychologist
I'm
here
today
on
behalf
of
kPa
to
oppose
SB
150
SB
150's
efforts
to
bolster
parent
rights
within
their
children's
schools
does
so
to
the
detriment
of
the
rights
and
needs
of
developing
children
and
further
marginalizes
and
stigmatizes
children
who
identify
as
lgbtq
children,
spend
a
large
portion
of
their
time
at
school.
J
It's
the
environment
for
many
kinds
of
learning
and
growth,
academics,
physical
growth,
peer
relationships
and
personal
identity.
It's
critical
for
all
children
to
have
safe
and
supportive
environments
to
do
the
work
of
childhood
and
Adolescence
and
learn
who
they
are
and
how
they
fit
into
the
world.
Sb
150
will
compromise
this
process.
Implementing
the
restrictions
proposed
by
SB
150
will
not
change
the
number
of
lgbtq
children
in
schools.
They'll
still
be
there
and
they'll
still
have
needs,
but
they
will
no
longer
be
in
a
safe
and
accepting
environment.
J
Youth
will
be
emotionally
unsupported
and
rejected
for
who
they
are
refusing
to
honor
pronouns.
That
is,
the
harassment
of
daily
misgendering
is
dehumanizing
and
will
Levy
a
toxic
and
sometimes
deadly
tax
on
youth,
Mental,
Health
lgbtq
youth
are
four
times
more
likely
to
attempt
suicide
than
their
peers,
not
due
to
The
Angst
over
their
sexual
orientation
or
gender
identity,
but
because
of
the
crushing
toll
of
being
marginalized
in
society.
Rates
of
anxiety,
depression
and
suicidality
are
much
higher
among
Youth
Without
support
systems.
J
It's
well
understood
in
the
medical
and
psychological
communities
that
the
number
one
factor
that
can
drastically
reduce
suicide
risk
in
lgbtq
youth
is
support
and
acceptance
from
an
adult,
even
just
one
adult,
and
that
could
be
a
teacher.
The
psychosocial
work
of
teens
is
forming
their
identity.
School
needs
to
be
a
place
that
affirms
the
worth
of
all.
Students
validates
their
identity
by
correct
pronoun
usage
and
provides
a
safe
place
for
their
expression
of
self,
which
in
turn,
will
free
them
up
to
learn
and
perform
to
their
potential.
A
A
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
N
Hello,
my
name
is
Brenda
Rose
and
I'm.
The
executive
director
of
the
National
Association
of
Social
Workers
Kentucky
chapter
one
of
55
chapters
in
the
largest
Social
Work
Association
in
the
country
and
I
am
here
as
I've,
been
before
in
defense
of
our
lgbtq
children
and
conversion
torture.
Let
me
focus
on
that
word:
torture.
Right
now.
We
are
in
an
unprecedented
Mental
Health
crisis.
N
With
our
children
period,
we
are
seeing
an
increase
in
children
showing
up
in
emergency
rooms
in
the
past
four
years
at
an
increase
of
59
percent
research
is
showing
that
one
in
three
one
in
three
children
have
expressed
Suicidal
Thoughts.
So
when
I
I
hear
this
bill
and
I
hear
this
passion
talk
on
all
ends,
I
wonder:
where
is
the
child?
Where
is
the
youth
in
this?
N
Our
role
as
as
a
decent
humans,
as
Citizens
as
parents,
as
Educators
as
professionals,
should
be
to
make
sure
that
we
are
teaching
and
instilling
empathy
and
acceptance
in
our
schools
in
our
churches
and
our
community
groups?
And
does
this
bill
stop
groups
in
high
school
and
Junior
High
School
from
having
clubs
to
learn
and
to
promote
their
own
sense
of
authentic
selves,
we're
so
worried
about
drag
queens
coming
to
birthday
parties
into
schools,
I
mean
seriously.
N
We
take
our
kids
to
Disney
World
and
everybody
dresses
up.
We
take
them
to
see
Santa
Santa's
dressed
up.
We
have
got
to
stop
the
bias
and
the
Discrimination.
We
need
to
teach
our
kids.
Children
are
not
born
to
hate,
but
ignorance
and
fear
creates
hate
Kentucky.
We
are
better
than
this
and
if
we
are
in
the
Bible
Belt,
it
is
time
that
we
took
that
belt
to
hold
our
citizens
up
and
not
beat
them
down.
Thank
you.
O
Hi
Mason
chernosky,
but
it's
okay,
that
it's
a
hard
name
to
say.
My
name
is
Mason.
I
live
in
Lexington
and
I'm
trans
I
oppose
passing
the
bill
because
I
believe
it
would
be
dangerous
for
young
kids
in
Kentucky
I
had
a
very
good
family
growing
up
like
a
lot
of
you
have
shared.
My
parents
were
very
concerned
about
me
and
also
concerned
about
me
being
lgbtq.
O
O
Was
very
nice,
however.
I
was
terrified
that
someone
at
my
school
was
going
to
tell
my
parents,
especially
the
teachers,
if
I
went
to
seek
support
if
I
went
to
seek
the
guidance
counselor
or
anything
like
that,
I
was
worried.
The
teachers
were
going
to
tell
my
parents,
and
then
everything
was
going
to
get
so
much
worse.
O
For
me,
so
I
saw
friends
seeking
the
kind
of
services
that
are
talked
about
in
this
bill
and
my
lgbtq
friends
who
got
those
Services
who
got
to
talk
to
people
who
got
support
their
mental
health
got
better.
Mine
did
not
because
I
was
denied.
I
was
I,
was
afraid
to
seek
the
support
in
this
bill,
because
I
was
afraid
it
would
mean
the
school
would
talk
to
my
teachers.
That's
why
I
think
this
bill
would
be
dangerous
for
the
mental
health
of
children
across
Kentucky.
G
G
My
mission
in
life
is
to
stop
the
hate
against
this
group
and
to
promote
their
inclusion
and
acceptance.
I
took
early
retirement
from
JCPS,
where
I
was
teaching
middle
and
high
school
students
hospitalized
in
a
residential
psychiatric
facility
like
Mary,
Hearst,
Our,
Lady
of
Peace,
ten
Brook
and
Brooklawn.
These
kids
are
hospitalized
because
they
are
unfit
to
attend
their
regular
public
schools.
G
Now
there
are
many
reasons
that
make
kids
unfit
to
attend
public
school
I'm
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
those
who
are
hospitalized
for
attempting
suicide
and
engaging
in
persistent
self-harm
because
they
are
lgbtq
plus
and
they
have
lost
all
hope
of
ever
living
a
happy
life.
They
are
thoroughly
hopeless.
Your
own
Senator
karenberg's
son
Henry,
who
committed
suicide
Before
Christmas,
is
a
classic
example
of
the
kids
I
work
with
every
day
every
day,
I
work
with
kids
who
are
trying
to
kill
themselves
because
our
state
is
so
hateful
and
talks
to
them.
G
That's
why
I
left
the
hospital
I
want
to
confront
the
monsters
who
are
putting
them
here,
I'm
now
in
the
46th
year
of
a
distinguished
career
in
an
educating,
exceptional
children
and
adults
when
it
comes
to
children
who
are
neurodivergent
or
wired
differently,
we
have
no
problem
accepting
that
some
are
born
with
Autism
cerebral
palsy,
spina,
bifida
or
some
are
unusually
gifted
and
talented.
Most
people
except
there's
almost
an
infinite
number
of
ways.
G
People's
brains
and
bodies
can
be
wired,
except
when
it
comes
to
gender
identity
and
sexual
orientation,
and
if
that
wiring
is
anything
other
than
heterosexual,
Suddenly
It's,
like
that
kind
of
wiring
can't
possibly
exist,
and
people
are
just
making
a
lifestyle
Choice
as
if
they
are
choosing
to
be
gay
or
transgender
I
am
transgender.
I
was
assigned
male
at
Birth.
I
can
assure
you
you
will
never
meet
anyone
who
chose
to
be
transgender.
Being
transgender
chooses
us,
you
are
selling
this
campaign
against
the
trans.
G
Community
is
if
your
persecution
and
oppression
of
them
will
make
God
smile
on
the
Commonwealth.
Please
read
the
words
of
Jesus
in
Matthew
19,
verse,
11
through
12,
where
he
says
God
intentionally,
creates
some
of
his
children,
his
eunuchs.
They
are
neither
and
both
male
nor
female.
Some
are
intersex.
What's
between
their
ears.
G
Match
what's
between
their
legs,
they
are
wired
differently.
God
makes
some
of
his
children
like
that
intentionally
and
you
want
to
shorten
their
lives
and
make
them
disappear.
Being
transgender
affects
six
tenths
of
one
percent
of
the
population,
six
out
of
one
thousand
people,
yet
the
GOP
has
decided
to
make
us
pawns
and
their
culture
War
to
create
all
kinds
of
Hysteria
and
outrage
to
drive
people
out
to
come
to
the
polls
and
vote
in
every
sense
of
the
term.
You
are
practicing
child
sacrifice
in
order
to
get
votes.
G
P
We
have
some
constitutional
concerns
about
this
bill
in
particular
that
it
would
create
a
new
right
and
liability
that
Educators
in
all
Kentucky
government
employees
other
than
University
professors
do
not
currently
have.
That
is
the
right
and,
in
effect,
the
requirement
to
engage
in
private
expression
in
an
official
capacity
in
Meriwether
the
hearts
up
a
case
before
the
sixth
circuit.
It
was
ruled
that
academic
freedom
on
the
use
of
pronouns
exists
in
higher
education,
but
may
not
exist
in
K-12
instruction.
P
There
is
a
parallel
here
as
well
in
the
case
of
the
former
Rowan
County
Clerk
Kim
Davis,
whose
use
of
her
official
capacity
to
engage
in
personal
expression
cause
a
national
outcry,
as
well
as
chaos
for
all
of
her
constituents,
not
just
the
same-sex
couples
that
she
discriminated
against.
Creating
a
new
category
of
law
by
by
creating
this
new
right
and
responsibility.
P
For
our
Educators
to
say
the
least,
invites
legal
challenges
that
could
prove
very
costly
to
the
Commonwealth,
but
it
also
forces
all
K-12
Educators
into
a
dilemma
that
they
do
not
currently
have
to
face
and
that
in
particular,
that
is
the
Dilemma
of
being
forced
implicitly
to
reveal
their
personal
beliefs
in
the
classroom.
P
Right
now,
teachers
are
shielded
from
that
requirement
and
as
a
school
board,
member
I
can
tell
you
that
our
schools
have
had
quite
enough
political
controversy
inside
of
them
in
the
last
few
years,
especially
relating
to
matters
of
Health,
by
by
compelling
teachers
to
implicitly
reveal
their
personal
beliefs.
We
transgress
the
constitutional
principle
that
our
Supreme
Court
has
established
in
cases
like
the
masterpiece
cake
shop
case
that
compelling
an
American
to
speak
is
an
unconstitutional
thing
to
do.
P
Furthermore,
this
bill
blatantly
transgresses
that
legal
principle
in
those
sections-
one
five
B
and
C,
allowing
our
Commonwealth's
employees
the
freedom
to
do
their
jobs
without
divulging
their
personal
beliefs,
is
a
constitutional
right
that
we
must
maintain
not
just
for
this
one
issues
issue,
but
for
all
issues,
and
anybody
that
has
a
personal
belief
that
they
would
prefer
not
to
be
required
to
divulge
to
the
to
the
people
that
they
work
with.
Q
Hi
Madeline
Spalding
she
her
pronouns,
I,
really
appreciate
you
all
letting
me
speak
today.
I'm
a
transgender
woman,
I
have
I'm
also
a
parent
myself.
I
have
three
young
kids,
three
years
old,
six
years
old
and
almost
nine
years
old.
My
spouse
is
a
teacher
she's,
a
school
librarian.
So
she
knows
the
struggles
that
I
went
through
as
a
transgender
child
and
I
went
to
an
all-male,
High
School.
So
there
was
no
safe
place,
so
she
makes
it
her
work
to
create
a
safe
place
for
all
of
her
students.
Q
She
teaches
at
Klondike
Elementary
and
she
is
the
which
is
the
most
diverse
School
in
the
entire
jcbs
school
district.
There
are
a
number
of
beliefs
that
these
families
have
not
all
of
them
recognize
the
legitimacy
of
transgender
experience
in
people.
The
countries
that
they
immigrated
from
might
even
make
it
illegal
to
be
transgender
or
LGBT.
A
H
Quickly,
Mr
chairman,
the
vote
does
not
come
from
a
place
of
hate
and
I
I
resent
the
argument,
because
you
don't
agree
that
you
hate
that
that's
not
what
this
is
about.
People
are
grown,
they
grow
up
with
different
beliefs,
different
understanding
and
until
we
come
to
a
point
that
we
can
respect
each
other's
rights
in
each
other's
beliefs.
This
issue
is
never
going
to
be
resolved.
H
There
are
transgender
people
that
I
know
I,
I,
love
them,
I,
respect
them,
and
it's
not
it's
just
not
about
that
at
all,
but
we
have
to
respect
each
other
and
it's
not
hate
and
we
talk
about
our
kids
being
wired
certain
ways.
Kids
are
kids
and
a
lot
of
the
wiring
that
takes
place
in
these
kids
is
from
influence
and
experiences
that
adults
expose
them
to
and
I
think
that
has
to
factor
into
to
this
issue.
H
Also
and
that's
the
concern
that
many
people
have
on
kids,
that
may
not
be
transgendered,
but
the
influences
that
are
presented
to
them
that
it
it
can
often
affect
the
way
that
they,
their
beliefs
and
the
way
they
grow
up
and,
and
so
I
think
that
it
is
just
important
that
we
understand
each
other
and
we
respect
each
other's
beliefs
as
we
move
forward,
and
this
vote
does
not
come
from
a
place
of
hate
whatsoever.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
C
Yes
and
as
a
mother
of
six
and
a
daughter
of
12.
I
have
lived
in
a
very
diverse
environment
and
I
recognize.
There
are
safety
nets
and
I
also
recognize
such
a
need
that
the
teachers
can
help
facilitate
the
collaborative
efforts
for
the
student
and
the
families
and
I
want
to
continue
to
promote
and
encourage
that.
Thank
you.
C
B
What
we're
doing
here
is
we're
making
law,
but,
more
importantly
than
that,
we're
making
policy
and
practice
okay
and
what
this
bill
does
is
two
things
that
are
really
harmful:
provingly
harmful
to
our
public
number,
one
questioning
Senator
wise,
any
child
that
comes
to
the
school
for
help
that
information
is
going
to
be
related
to
their
parents,
even
if
the
child
says
that
my
parents
are
going
to
go
ballistic
and
going
to
beat
me
if
I
say
this
under
this
legislation
that
is
going
to
be
shared
with
the
parents,
that's
not
going
to
be
kept
kept
confidential,
then,
to
my
colleague's
point
on
my
rights
senator
from
Meyer
under
this
law.
B
B
This
bill
offers
no
safe
space
to
a
child,
and
this
bill
is
designed
to
do
only
one
thing
and
that
is
to
promote
an
agenda.
Okay,
an
agenda
that
that
that
is
not
helpful
or
easing
or
comforting
to
a
child,
but
only
to
harm
the
child.
I
was
really
impressed
with
the
statements
made
by
the
psychologist
social
work.
They
said
that
really
well,
and
you
should
know
my
mother
was
a
social
worker.
I
I'm,
the
son
of
a
social
worker,
and
your
statements
are
absolutely
correct.
B
Finally,
as
my
colleagues
all
know,
I'm
a
former
PTA
president
I
was
a
former
PDA
president
for
four
years,
so
no
one
has
done
more
parent
advocacy
in
their
lifetime
than
I
have
being
a
PTA
president.
So
I
understand
and
appreciate
the
importance
of
parent
advocacy
but
I
understand
the
lives
of
children.
More
and
children
have
died
from
the
disrespect
and
the
abuse
that
they've
encountered
as
transgender
children
and
I'm
going
to
stop
that
today.
I
O
O
A
L
F
A
F
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee
for
agreeing
to
hear
Senate
Bill
24
this
morning.
You
all
are
very
familiar
with
Senate
Bill
24
we've
had
two
interim
hearings
on
this
bill.
In
addition,
we
actually
passed
this
bill
way
back
in
my
first
year
in
the
Kentucky
State
Senate
Senator
Charlie
borders
was
the
bill
sponsor
and
this
bill
was
passed
back
then.
So
it's
been
talked
a
lot
about
and
I
appreciate
the
Indulgence
of
this
committee
during
the
interim,
the
house
and
the
senate
committee
on
it.
F
The
bill
is
very
simple,
in
contrast,
maybe
to
your
last
topic.
What
we're
talking
about
here,
Mr
chairman
the
members
of
this
committee,
is
we're
talking
about
parents
who
have
taken
it
upon
themselves,
the
responsibility
to
educate
their
own
children
and
is
testified
during
the
interim
by
University
Administration
officers
from
Thomas
Moore
University.
As
a
group,
these
are
some
of
the
most
prepared
students
for
college
that
we
have
in
the
Commonwealth.
F
So
what
this
bill
attempts
to
do
is
to
give
those
parents
some
access
to
Keys
money
in
the
manner
that
traditional
students
have
specifically
the
transcript
part
of
the
keys
money,
and
it
provides
a
testing
mechanism
and
I
think
it's
important
to
point
out
to
the
committee.
This
was
not
what
we
came
to
first.
First,
we
came
with
a
dual
credit
proposal
to
you
from
you
that
they
would
be
based
on
Dual
credit
scores
from
the
University.
F
But
after
some
discussion
with
you
on
the
committee,
we
decided
it
was
a
better
to
go
to
a
testing
model.
So
we
have
created
a
conversion
chart
where
these
students
can
test
and
based
on
the
score
of
that
test,
receive
the
transcript
portion
of
the
money
which
a
traditional
student
would
receive
and
I
also
think
it's
interesting
to
point
out
that
in
an
age
when
people
are
asking
not
to
be
tested
that
these
students
are
volunteering
to
be
tested.
A
A
B
F
Today,
senator
they
can
receive
Keys
money,
the
way
I
understand
it
and
I'm
not
on
the
education
committee.
You
all
know
way
more
about
it
than
I.
Do
there's
two
pots
of
money.
One
pot
is
for
the
testing.
They
can
currently
get
that
money,
but
they
cannot
get
the
transcript
part
for
the
grade
point
average
because
they
don't
have
a
traditional
grade
point.
F
F
A
A
A
F
Yes,
I
want
to
thank
Laura
Edwards
for
all
her
hard
work
on
this
she's
been
working
on
this
now
for
three
years.
She
has
that
what
is
it?
Eight
children,
sixth,
six
children
and
she's,
actually
a
retired
public
school
teacher,
so
we
appreciate
her
hard
work
on
this.
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee.
Thank.
A
R
Yourself
for
the
record
and
proceed
Senator
Mike
Wilson.
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
what
you
have
before
you
Senate
Bill
25,
which
is
actually
what
this
session
short
session
was
designed
for.
It's
a
tweak,
it's
a
tweak
on
Senate,
Bill,
1
from
2017
and
specifically
what
the
bill
does.
First
of
all,
we
do
have
a
sub,
and
so,
if
we
could
go
ahead
and
I
have
a
motion
to
adopt
the
sub.
A
R
So
what
you
have
before
you
now
is
the
filed
bill
was
for
school
accountability
purposes.
This
bill
clarifies
the
distinction
between
articulation
credit
and
dual
college
credit,
because
that
was
what
was
specified
in
Senate
Bill
1
of
2017..
This
could
be
utilized
using
articulation
credit,
which
is
very
common
practice
among
of
our
community
colleges,
and
so
this
revision
was
made
in
collaboration
with
KDE
and
we'll
make
it
cleaner
and
clearer
for
how
articulated
college
credit,
which
is
actually
preliminary
credit
earned
in
high
school
and
will
count
for
a
student's,
post-secondary,
Readiness
score.
R
This
could
come
into
play
that
say,
for
instance,
a
kid
lives
down
the
street
and
he
lives
down
the
street
from
he's
a
high
school
student
electrical
contractor,
and
they
talks
to
the
electrical
contractor
and
says
that
he
would
like
to
learn
how
to
do
electrical
work.
It
can
end
up
working
during
summer
with
them
as
long
as
that,
a
program
is
approved
by
kbe
to
get
that
apprenticeship
credit
for
post-secondary
Readiness.
That
is
one
example.
So
if
there
are
no
questions
in
regards
to
this,
I
would
move
for
passage
of
Senate
bill.
25.
A
R
A
G
A
All
those
opposed,
nay
eyes
have
it.
Senate
Bill
25
passes
with
Fable
favorable
expression
with
title
Amendment.
Thank
you,
Central
Wilson,
for
helping
us
pass
the
bill
as
the
special
session
wasn't
or
the
off
your
session
was
intended
for
Center
Matt
deneen's
before
us
welcome
to
education
committee.
A
This
is
what
happens
when
you're
last
in
line
at
the
education
committee.
You.
S
Thank
you
Mr
chair,
my
name
is
Matt
Deneen
I'm,
the
senator
from
the
10th
District
I'm,
very
excited
about
Senate,
Bill
49,
and
thank
you
for
having
me
committee
members
to
present
this
bill.
Senate
49
is
the
teacher
Workforce
bill.
It's
something.
I
think
that
everybody
in
here
can
get
behind.
This
is
a
simple
tweak
into
the
existing
rule
for
alternative
certification
programs
right
now
particularly
option
six
option:
six
takes
care
of
about
1600
just
a
little
over
1600
teachers
right
now
are
currently
enrolled
in
this
program
across
the
Commonwealth.
S
S
In
my
district
alone,
over
100
teachers
are
enrolled,
the
current
program,
the
way
it
is
stated,
you
have
a
two-year
extension
once
you
join
into
the
program
after
your
first
year,
making
it
three
years
inside
of
that
three-year
period,
though
we
are
asking
these
middle-aged
folks
that
are
coming
out
of
their
private
sector
jobs.
Many
of
them
have
children
to
come
into
an
education
profession.
S
Not
only
teach
coach
do
all
the
professional
development
do
all
the
things.
Teachers
do
grade,
papers,
lesson,
plans,
unit
plans
and
oh
yeah,
by
the
way
finish
all
these
hours
of
Education
within
a
three
year
time
period.
Simply
this
bill
simply
gives
these
people
that
are
currently
satisfactorily
getting
evaluations
an
extra
two
years
to
complete
that
program.
It
stretches
out
those
payments
and
it
makes
it
easier
for
them
to
complete
the
program
without
being
laid
off
this
spring.
We
have
many
in
this
program
that
are
satisfactorily
getting
evaluations
from
their
administrators.
S
A
C
B
Explain
why
I
vote
if
I
may,
please
please
proceed
Senator
Neen,
one
of
the
things
I
wanted,
because
I
did
look
at
briefly
in
preparation
for
this
meeting
today.
Other
than
150
was
yours
and
it
it.
It
is
a
that
we
have
to
take,
but
let
me
give
you
some
other
things
to
think
about
as
you
move
forward
in
this
space.
Okay,
the
problem
for
having
a
teacher
shortages
is
a
big
problem
deals
more
than
just
with
you
know,
giving
teachers
more
time
to
get
this
alternative
certification.
B
Okay,
we
have
big
problems
with
working
conditions
over
over
regulation.
Overburdening
requirements
and
people
talk
about
salaries,
but
the
working
conditions
and
the
over
regulation
are
are
more
oppressive
to
teachers
than
the
salary.
Now
we
need
to
pay
them
more,
don't
misunderstand:
we
need
to
pay
them
more
and
you
come
from
a
school
district
that
is
really
one
of
the
best
I'm
very
familiar
with
Hardin
County
North
Hardin,
a
Hardin
Central
John
Hardin
you've
got
some
excellent
I
think
yeah
Central
hard.
B
You
got
some
excellent
schools
there
and
to
keep
those
extra
excellent
schools
there
at
Hardin,
County
you're,
going
to
need
more
teachers.
So
I
ask
you
to
think
about
those
things
as
you
move
in
this
space,
so
we
can.
We
can
have
more
teachers,
have
more
qualified
teachers
and
continue
to
make
all
our
school
systems,
including
the
Hardin,
County
Public
Schools,
a
strong
school
system.
Thank.
S
You
for
those
comments
and
I
agree
with
you
as
we
move
forward.
This
is.
There
is
no
Silver
Bullet
to
all
the
issues
that
you
have
mentioned
in
education,
but
this
is
definitely
a
step
in
the
right
direction
and
it
keeps
good
teachers
in
those
positions
without
having
to
start
the
program
all
over
again
with
rookie
teachers.
So.