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A
Education
committee
will
come
to
order
I
apologize
for
delay,
there's
a
few
little
bills
over
in
Illinois
this
morning.
Please
silence
your
cell
phones.
If
you
wish
to
speak
and
you'd
sign
up
at
the
back,
it'll
sit
there
for
about
two
minutes
and
then
we'll
collect
that
those
who
are
to
speak
for
and
against.
We
have
four
bills
for
consideration
today.
First,
please
call
the
roll
I
guess
we
need
to
call
the
roll
first.
B
A
A
Aye
Senate
Bill
241
passes
with
a
vote
of
nine
eyes,
zero
Nays
and
has
favorable
expression.
Do
we
have
motion
for
consent?
We
have
motion,
we
have
a
second.
We
have
this
Motion
in.
Second,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
those
pose
eyes
have
it
House,
Bill
241
is
on
consent.
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you
committee.
Congratulations.
Thank
you.
Next
up
we
have
House
Bill
538
an
act
relating
to
discipline
of
students.
A
D
All
right,
thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
Scenic
committee
members.
This
is
school
discipline.
Bill
I'm
sure
you
guys
have
are
much
like
me
are
getting
calls,
if
not
daily
weekly
from
Educators
concerned,
with
their
safety
of
not
only
theirselves
but
also
students
in
the
classroom.
D
D
D
So
I'm
not
sure
how
that
changes
the
bill
exactly,
but
this
bill
will
help
ensure
that
those
students
who
are
wanting
to
be
in
school,
who
are
wanting
to
be
there
to
learn
or
have
that
opportunity
to
do
so,
and
it
opens
up
another
option
for
schools
for
administrators
and
for
superintendents
for
handling
these
students,
who
are
deemed
chronically
disruptive
with
opening
up
this
virtual
option
as
a
principal
I
know
that
virtual
is
not
as
good
of
an
option
as
in
person.
D
I
understand
that,
but
I
also
understand
that
a
student
who
is
being
chronically
disruptive
or
abusive
or
harassing
teachers
or
other
students
does
also
not
need
to
be
in
the
classroom
with
these
students
who
want
to
be
there
to
learn
and
with
every
teacher
that
I've
talked
to
there
have
been
zero
concerns
raised
about
this
bill.
A
Sorry
we're
getting
ready
to
take
questions,
but
before
we
do
so,
representative
Truitt
I
just
want
to
call
your
attention
to
page
four
of
eight
in
the
sub
and
that
the
Senate
version
we
gave
the
principal
the
right
to
establish
those
procedures
rather
than
mandating
that
the
teacher
do
this,
and
so
that
that
was
our
only
Senate
change
to
the
bill.
A
F
G
G
Also
I
spent
a
lot
of
hours
on
a
school
bus
growing
up
so
I'm
wondering
when
you've
created
an
alternative
learning
environment
or
the
principal
is
agreed
upon
it.
How
does
that
student
get
to
and
fro?
Are
they
allowed
to
ride
the
school
bus?
Because
if
you
think
that
they're
disruptive
in
the
classroom
just
put
them
on
a
school
bus
for
a
minute?
Oh.
D
I
agree
completely:
I
drove
a
bus
for
19
years,
so
I
feel
your
pain.
I
tell
people
all
the
time
that
the
teaching
is
tough
but
driving
a
bus
is
much
tougher
because
they're
behind
you
got
your.
You
know
no
eyes
in
the
back
your
head,
but
but
yes,
it
just
depends.
D
Obviously,
if
that
alternative
placement
is
in
the
school
setting,
maybe
in
a
resource
room
or
a
alternate,
then
we
would
still
provide
that
Transportation.
But
you
know
if
we
chose
virtual
from
home,
then
obviously
and
and
I
think
that
would
we're
going
to
leave
this
up
to
the
districts
and
the
superintendents
to
make
that
decision.
The
big
part
is
now
we
have
that
option.
Now
we
have
that
option
of
saying
you
know
what
you
know
we
can.
D
We
can
use
Virtual
as
a
form
of
discipline,
so
I
think
that's
going
to
open
up
a
lot
of
doors
and
the
way
that
we
leave
it
up
to
each
district
and
each
school
and
each
student,
Behavior
policy
I
think
it's.
It
could
be
a
very
positive
impact
on
on
public
education.
H
You
Mr,
chairman
representative,
great
bill,
I,
really
appreciate
what
you've
got
and
supportive
of
it
just
with
your
years
of
being
in
education,
I
hear
quite
often,
teachers
and
others
within
the
school
system
say
you
know
it
is
a
discipline
issue,
because
kids
are
much
different
today
than
how
they
were
years
ago,
just
like
to
get
your
thoughts
on
that
is
that
do
you
see
that
as
postcovid
is
this
a
societal
issue?
Is
it
a
lack
of
parenting?
Maybe
a
combination
of
all
of
these,
but
in
terms
of
your
nearly
20,
maybe
20
plus
years.
H
D
Senator
wise,
that's
a
that's
a
tough
question
but
I
agree.
I!
Think
it's
a
combination
of
everything,
but
I
was
thinking
last
night
as
I
was
traveling
home
late
at
night
and
I
was
thinking
about
the
fact
that
you
know
I
wanted
to
get
home
really
quick
and
you
know
I'm
on
the
75
I've
got
about
an
hour
and
45
minute
trip
every
evening,
and
you
know
my
old
truck
I
mean
it'll,
probably
run
120,
probably
not
that
I've
tried
that
but
I
believe
it
would.
D
But
you
know,
I
like
to
get
home
as
quick
as
I
could
as
quick
as
I
can.
But
you
know
anytime,
I
see
a
one
of
those
gray,
Vehicles
parked
off
the
side
of
the
road.
A
lot
of
times
that
will
deter
me
from
driving
as
fast
as
I
would
like
to
drive.
So
I
think
that
sometimes
we
have
to
have
those
measures
in
place
to
deter
these
actions.
I
was
always
a
student
that
tried
to
push
the
limit.
D
Wasn't
I
wasn't
a
mean
kid
at
all,
but
I
was
mischievous
and
I
would
go
right
up
as
far
as
I
could
go
and
every
teacher
was
different.
I
had
some
teachers
that
I
never
opened
my
mouth
in
some
teachers
that
I
could
walk
all
over
just
because
they
would
allow
me
so
I
think
these
policies
that
we
set
in
place
and
we
leave
a
little
bit
of
bite
to
these
policies,
I
think
that's
going
to
help
now.
Will
that
solve
all
issues?
D
D
You
know
I'm
I'm
I'm
there,
sometimes
their
best,
dad
they've
got
you
know,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
issues
that
we
are
battling,
but
I
think
that
this
bill
opens
up
some
Avenues
and
sets
some
guard
rails
to
where
students
will
see
hey.
You
know
this
is
my
second
or
third
time
I
think
been
to
the
principal's
office.
Talking
to
the
principal
you
know,
maybe
I
need
to
kind
of
curb
my
my
actions
in
the
classroom
so
I'm
hoping
that
that
that's
that's
what
happens
if.
I
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
and
excellent
Bill
appreciate
you
bringing
it
today,
but
I
want
to
answer
a
senator
wise's
question
in
part
and
I
think
you
enjoyed
this.
This
is
from
Frank
Martin,
who
used
to
be
coach
of
South
Carolina.
He
said
you
know
what
makes
my
makes
me
sick
to
my
stomach.
When
I
hear
grown,
people
say
that
kids
have
changed,
kids
haven't
changed,
kids,
don't
know
anything
about
anything.
We've
changed
as
adults,
we
demand
less
of
kids.
We
expect
less
of
kids.
I
We
make
their
lives
easier
instead
of
preparing
them
for
what
life
is
truly
about
we're
the
ones
that
have
changed
and
I
think
probably
we're
all
in
agreement
with
that
and
I've
heard
a
lot
of
focus
on
parental
rights
this
session
and
to
have
that
right.
You
also
have
responsibilities
and
we're
not
living
up
to
those,
so
I
hope
it's
a
new
day,
but
I
appreciate
your
bill
very
much
needed.
Thank
you.
A
J
You
Mr
chairman,
just
just
curious:
have
you
received
any
opposition
to
this
legislation
in
this
process?
We,
and
what's
the
nature
of
that,
if
so.
D
Okay,
the
I
I.
Well,
we
did
a
I
guess
a
talk
last
night
with
K
KET
and
we
had
representative
Wilner
who
kind
of
spoke
in
opposition
of
the
bill,
and
then
we
had
Mr
Rashad.
Is
that
right
from
Kumar
shop
from
from
Jefferson
County
and
and
they
were
and
I'm
I'm
going
to
speak
as
best
I
can
in
there?
But
but
their
concern
was
that
they
thought
this
might
affect
the
minority
population
causing
more
minority
students
to
be
kick
kicked.
D
You
know,
kicked
out
of
school
or
suspended,
and
so
that
was
kind
of
their
concern
and
and
I
I
hate
to
speak
for
their
words,
but
that's
kind
of
Eric.
You
want
to
add
anything.
E
It
seemed
there
were
a
few
members
of
each
party
that
voted
no
I
think
there
were
some
concerns
with
just
making
sure
that
there
was
due
process
in
the
bill
which
there
is
I
think
that's
been
spoken
to
very
well
and
then
the
other
concerns
that
I
can
remember
were
concerned
that
this,
which
are
already
a
concern
for
some
of
those
folks,
that
any
school
discipline
might
disproportionately
impact
students
in
minority
groups.
E
I
think
there
are
some
protections,
not
only
in
the
words
that
you
see
in
this
one
particular
statute,
but
as
well
as
sort
of
a
federal
guidance
and,
ultimately
even
Supreme
Court
decisions
that
say
that
anything
that
happens
in
school
discipline
cannot
be
arbitrary,
must
be
fair,
must
have
due
process,
but
I
think
that's
the
only
known
opposition
or
even
comments
and
opposition.
That's
been
that's
been
there.
Thank
you.
A
J
And
I
like
to
explain
my
past
vote,
not
that
I'm
necessarily
in
opposition
here
I
just
wanted
to
get
more
information
concerning
the
response
I
just
received.
Thank
you.
A
House
Bill
538
passes
with
a
vote
of
eight
eyes:
zero,
Nays
and
one
pass
and
shall
be
reported.
Favorably
and
I
just
want
to
let
you
know,
representative
you're
you're
in
really
good
company,
because
a
bus
driver
can
make
something
of
themselves.
Center
shickled
robust
for
many
many
years
and
I
just
came
from
his
committee.
So
he's
done
well
here
there
you.
A
Guys
appreciate
you
thank
you.
Next
Stone
I'm
going
to
call
an
audible,
real,
quick
representative
Fugate.
If
I'm
going
to
call
you
last
because
we're
going
to
probably
spend
a
little
bit
more
time
on
your
bill
up
next
we're
going
to
have
a
HCR
59,
a
concurrent
resolution
recognized
the
Kentucky
College
of
Art
and
Design.
If
you
would
please
come
forward
and
state
your
name
for
the
record
and
then
proceed.
Thank.
K
K
Proceed
I'd
like
to
get
my
member
up
here
as
quick
as
possible.
Mr
Fugue
so
we'll
be
very
quick,
we're
talking
about
the
Kentucky
College
of
Art
and
Design,
and
rather
than
me,
take
time.
I'll
have
the
expert
and
allow
her
to
give
her
remarks.
Thank.
L
We
we
bring
alternative
students
into
the
higher
education
system
and
we
give
them
the
opportunity
of
developing
career
skills
that
will
have
them
in
good
standing
as
they
they
leave
four
years
of
education,
we
are
the
only
independent
College
of
Art
and
Design
in
Kentucky
licensed
and
currently
in
the
process
of
seeking
accreditation.
L
We've
studied
up
we're
growing
and
the
college
is,
is
doing
very
well
I.
Think
it's
time
now
for
us
to
look
for
the
recognition
that
will
carry
us
forward.
Our
students
are
coming
out
at
the
highest
level.
They
have
been
accepted
for
the
Royal
College
in
London
goldsmiths
in
London
calarts,
on
the
west
coast,
and
we
feel
that
you
know
we.
We
can
evidence
the
success
of
the
quality
of
our
teaching
and
learning
our
students
learn.
L
Obviously
they
work
with
the
humanities
and
the
Arts,
and
they
they
leave
competent
in
writing,
maths
and
the
other
skills
they
come
out
with
an
interdisciplinary
opportunity,
digital
skills
that
will
enable
them
to
get
jobs,
and
we
know
from
recent
statistics
that
art
colleges
produce
graduates
who
do
good
art
colleges
produce
at
graduates
who
go
on
to
find
employment
in
their
field.
We
know
that
the
creative
and
cultural
Industries
are
a
huge
part
of
this
country's
GDP.
L
I
think
our
students
will
leave
as
sort
of
fully
able
to
work
with
digital
media,
as
well
as
the
traditional
Medias
in
in
Art
and
Design.
We
feel
that
we're
The
Missing
Link
in
Kentucky
Kentucky
is
recognized
for
its
arts
and
crafts,
but
as
yet
does
not
have
a
central
and
independent
while
we
are
building
the
the
only
Central
independent
College
of
Art
and
Design,
and
we
feel
that
we're
coming
through
with
great
success.
We
also
immediately
put
our
students
in
the
situation
where
they
have
an
international
they're
part
of
an
international
conversation.
L
The
Arts
is
a
global
industry,
and
our
students
are
able
to
be
part
of
that.
The
minute
they
graduate
we
are
currently
taking
our
students
in
a
in
six
weeks,
we'll
be
taking
all
of
our
students
to
London
and
Scotland,
we'll
be
introducing
them
to
other
International
opportunities
in
the
Arts
and
artists,
and
the
potential
of
the
college
is
huge
and
I'm
looking
for
support
here
today
and
recognition.
K
A
J
A
M
The
Supreme
Court
Justice
Neil
Gorsuch
wrote
in
an
opinion.
Respect
for
Religious
Freedom
Expressions
is
indispensable
to
life
in
a
free
and
diverse
Republic,
whether
those
expressions
take
place
in
a
sanctuary
or
on
a
field
and
where
they
manifest
through
the
spoken
word
or
bowed
head
House
Bill
547
ensures
that
faculty
will
have
the
free
have
the
right
to
express
their
faith.
They
may
sponsor
student
religious
activities
and
they
are
protected
from
coercion
and
threats
by
government
officials.
M
It
gives
our
teachers
and
faculty
the
ability
to
engage
in
religious
expression
and
share
religious
materials
and
with
other
employees
at
the
same
time,
in
the
same
manner
that
other
employees
are
permitted
to
engage
in
non-religious
expression
and
discussions
outside
the
scope
of
Duties.
It
allows
them
to
engage
in
private
religious
expression
at
a
time
when
it
is
otherwise
permissible
for
an
employee
to
engage
in
private
expressive,
conduct
or
employees
allowed
to
act
outside
the
scope
of
Duties
I'd.
Be
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Thank
you,
representative,
we're
going.
We
have
speakers
signed
up
to
speak
for
and
against,
but
before
we
get
there
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
take
a
couple
questions:
Senator
funky
from
Meyer.
G
G
Been
very
active
in
his
life,
so
on
page
one
of
two
in
that
section
three
would
be
right.
Around
19
engage
in
private
religious
expression
when
at
a
time
when
it
is
otherwise
permissible,
and
then
I
think
C
talks
about.
Would
that
be
an
opportunity
for
a
Bible
study?
Is
that
an
opportunity
that
they
could
collect
a
group
of
students
that
might
even
want
to
be
part
of
the
Rosary
club
or
something
yes?.
N
N
Read
this
bill,
why?
Why
do
we
need
it
when
we
can
do
that
now,
a
teacher
on
his
or
her
off-duty
time
in
private
discussions
can
can
certainly
Express
their
religious
beliefs.
You
know
without
any
indication
of
repercussions
I'm
a
former
president
of
the
fellowship
of
Christian
athletes
when
I
was
in
school,
I
I
believe
strong
in
that
organization.
N
I,
just
don't
see
why
we
need
this
bill.
What
what's?
What's
the
intent
behind
you
bringing
it
we
don't?
We
don't
have
that
problem
in
Kentucky
now
well,.
M
Actually
I,
you
know
actually
I
think
that
we
we
shouldn't
need
this
bill.
We
absolutely
should
not
need
this
bill,
but
because
of
people
from
the
outside
of
Kentucky
writing
letters
and
trying
to
stop
teachers
and
faculty
from
expressing
their
religious
beliefs
that
it
has
created
a
fear
inside
our
school
systems
that
those
who
have
faith
in
Christ
a
lot
of
times
are,
are
feared
because
they're
afraid
of
lawsuits
and
and
different
things
coming
coming
their
way.
A
Next,
seeing
no
further
questions,
I'm
gonna,
if
you
can
step
back
representative
Fugate
we're
going
to
bring
up
those
opposed
to
the
bill
to
speak,
we
have
the
ACLU
of
Kentucky
and
we
have
jcrc
if
you
could
both
come
up
together
and
if
you
could
State
the
name
of
your
organization,
your
names
and
the
floor
is
yours.
Please
proceed.
P
Thank
you
good
morning
and
thank
you,
chairman
West
and
members
of
the
Senate
education
committee
for
allowing
me
to
testify
this
morning.
My
name
is
Congo
jaguna
and
I'm.
A
policy
strategist
with
the
ACLU
of
Kentucky.
First
I
do
want
to
thank
representative
Fugate
for
meeting
with
me
and
talking
with
me
about
this
bill.
Him
and
I
just
disagree
on
what
the
bill
does.
P
We
all
know
that
the
U.S
Constitution
has
long
held
that
church
and
state
should
be
separate,
as
outlined
in
the
First
Amendment
and
is
interpreted
and
interpreted
by
the
United
States
Supreme
Court
and
First
Amendment
case
law.
The
U.S
Supreme
Court
in
Kennedy
versus
burmington
School
District
did
not
change
that
the
Court's
decision
in
Kennedy
was
very
limited
and
the
private
religious
expression
it
held
did
not
run
a
foul
of
the
First
Amendment.
Specifically,
here
is
what
the
court
permitted
it
permitted
coach
Kennedy
to
wait
until
the
football
game
was
over.
P
His
players
had
left
the
field.
Then
he
was
permitted
to
walk
to
Midfield,
say
a
brief
quiet,
personal
prayer.
That's
it
that's
the
conduct
the
court
permitted
with
the
Supreme
Court
simply
upheld
was
the
right
of
a
public
school
employee
to
engage
in
a
quiet,
private
brief
Act
of
prayer
that
was
not
endorsed
by
the
school
fell
outside
his
official
duties
and
did
not
involve
or
pressure
students
to
participate.
P
Unfortunately,
House
Bill
547,
as
it's
currently
written,
goes
way
further
than
that,
for
example,
section
2
would
only
permit
schools
to
punish
a
teacher
who
engaged
in
actual
coercion
of
students,
but
our
case
law
is
clear
that
teachers
also
cannot
endorse
or
promote
a
religion.
Section
3D
is
also
problematic
case
law
is
clear.
School
Employees
may
not
may
not
take
part
in
religious
activities
in
their
roles
as
official
staff
sponsors
of
school
clubs.
Whether
or
not
those
clubs
are
religious.
P
P
To
be
clear,
neither
teachers
nor
students
shed
their
constitutional
rights
when
they
enter
the
schoolhouse
gate,
but
the
court
has
also
been
clear.
None
of
this
means
that
the
speech
rights
of
School
Employees
are
so
boundless
that
they
may
deliver
any
message
to
anyone
at
any
time
they
wish
household
4
547
bends
more
toward
the
anytime
anything
they
wish.
We
should
remember,
even
though
they
are
private
citizens,
the
court
has
also
held.
It
must
be
remembered
that
teachers
or
government
employees
paid
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
government
and
convey
its
message.
P
This
bill
is
written
as
likely
unconstitutional
and
it
invites
timely
and
costly
litigation
from
both
students
and
families
who
may
be
the
subject
of
this
religious
expression
by
teachers
and
also
from
teachers
who
might
Sue
to
say
they
are
entitled
to
engage
in
this
conduct.
In
order
to
stand
up
for
religious
expression
for
all
individuals,
you
should
vote
no
on
this
Bill.
Thank
you.
O
O
O
I
am
here
with
the
support
of
the
Jewish
community
of
Louisville
Lexington's
Jewish
Federation
of
the
Bluegrass
Interfaith
past
peace,
the
Louisville
chapter
of
the
National
Council
of
Jewish
Women,
the
Kentucky
unitarians
United
Justice,
Action
Network,
and
the
Louisville
Board
of
rabbis
and
cantors
voting
unanimously,
all
of
whom
abodes
HB
547
in
its
present
form.
O
Much
of
the
bill
is
a
restatement
of
the
constitutional
right
of
teachers
to
privately
pray
off
duty.
We
absolutely
support
that
those
rights
exist
without
this
law.
We
also
absolutely
support
that
teachers
should
have
the
right
to
privately
pray
as
in
Kennedy.
However,
other
provisions
of
the
bill.
We
cannot
support,
especially
those
that
allow
teachers
and
administrators,
while
on
duty,
but
in
non-instructional
time
to
engage
in
religious
expression
and
share
religious
materials
with
their
students.
O
O
Deuteronomy
commands
me
to
teach
the
words
of
my
tradition
Faithfully
to
my
children
and
talk
to
them
in
my
house
and
on
my
way
when
I
lie
down
and
when
I
Rise
Up
my
constitutional
freedom
of
practice
in
this
wonderful
country
prevents
a
government
employee
in
the
position
of
authority.
From
from
instructing
the
my
children
in
their
faith,
my
children
are
not
in
the
position
to
speak
out
and
command.
School
authorities
interfere
with
what
they
are
taught
at
home.
O
Rather,
children
should
expect
their
school
administration
to
protect
them
from
implied
coercion
and
when
a
person
who
has
the
power
over
your
children's
grades,
your
children's
future
success
is
also
the
one
asking
that
your
children
accept
religious
materials
or
submit
to
their
religious
expression.
It
is
implied
coercion
and
that
is
unconstitutional,
but
that
is
exactly
the
type
of
activity
allowed
under
Section,
2
and
3G
of
this
bill.
O
The
founders
of
our
country
knew
the
dangers
of
a
union
of
church
and
state
from
bitter
personal
experience
and
demanded
that
government
institutions
like
public
schools,
would
not
be
used
to
control,
support
or
influence
religious
exercise
in
any
way
that
has
not
changed
in
2022.
This
law
does
not
meet
that
Mark.
O
Additionally,
for
the
last
132
years,
Kentucky
has
enshrined
religious
liberty
and
freedoms
in
its
Constitution
that
Kentucky
framers
felt
necessary
to
include
beyond
the
Federal
Constitution.
This
includes
a
parent's
right
to
be
free
from
interference
with
his
or
her
conscientious
objection
to
religious
activities
at
school.
O
Under
the
new
framework
from
the
United
States
Supreme
Court,
we
are
required
to
ask
why
our
Kentucky
constitutional
framers
chose
to
include
this
important
protection
about
our
public
schools,
which
is
absent
from
the
Federal
Constitution
because
of
these
important
constitutional
considerations,
Kentucky
and
federal,
impacting
the
free
exercise
of
religion
by
parents.
I
beg
you
not
to
pass
this
bill
in
its
present
form
and
we
will
pledge
to
work
with
you
to
make
this
bill
a
better
Bill.
Thank
you.
Q
O
Q
O
A
Okay,
he'll
representative
will
be
back
up
in
a
second
yep
Center
funky
from
our.
G
Thank
you,
Mrs
Solomon,
for
your
testimony
when
you
suggested
in
Section,
3
G.
You
also
expressed
your
responsibilities
and
instruction.
How
would
you
change
3G
to
be
more
accepting
I.
O
I
I,
understand
that
you
know
if
I
want
to
pray
before
I
eat,
for
example,
if
I
were
a
teacher
at
school,
I
would
think
that
that
would
be
not
only
allowed
but
encouraged
I
think
anybody
of
any
faith
should
be
able
to
privately
Express
their
religious
beliefs.
However,
I
would
just
ask
that
teachers
and
coaches
not
pass
out
materials
to
my
children
without
my
knowledge
or
my
say
so
beforehand.
I
feel
like
that
is
my
right
as
a
parent
to
control
what
my
kids
get
to
see.
G
That
actually
didn't
answer
3G
at
all,
but
because
it
says
during
non-instructional
time-
and
you
referred
to
instructional
time
well,.
A
See
no
further
questions
in
this
segment.
We
do
have
the
Family
Foundation
set
to
speak
next
if
they
would
Approach
at
this
time,
Mr
Johnson's,
you're
speaking
on
a
wide
variety
of
topics.
Today,
I.
F
A
We've
both
been
busy.
Please
state
state,
your
name
for
the
record
and
proceed.
F
Yeah
Michael
Johnson
senior
policy
advisor
for
the
Family
Foundation
I'm.
F
Michael
Johnson
senior
policy
advisor
for
the
Family
Foundation.
Thank
you,
chairman
West
and
members
for
letting
me
come
speak
here
briefly.
As
the
U.S
Supreme
Court
has
recognized
for
almost
50
years.
Neither
students
nor
teachers
shed
their
constitutional
rights
to
freedom
of
speech
or
expression
at
the
schoolhouse
gate.
F
The
free
exercise
clause
protects
not
only
the
right
to
Harbor
religious
beliefs,
inwardly
and
secretly.
It
does
perhaps
its
most
important
work
by
protecting
the
ability
of
those
who
hold
religious
beliefs
of
all
kinds
to
live
out
their
face
in
daily
life
through
the
performance
or
the
abstention
from
physical
Acts.
F
The
importance
of
this
constitutional
principle
cannot
be
overstated.
After
all,
the
Constitution
and
the
best
of
our
Traditions
Council
mutual
respect
and
tolerance,
not
censorship
and
suppression
for
religious
and
non-religious
Views
alike.
Respect
for
religious
Expressions
is
indispensable
to
life
in
a
free
and
diverse
Republic,
whether
those
expressions
take
place
in
a
sanctuary
or
on
a
field
and
whether
they
manifest
through
the
spoken
word
or
bowed
head
is
for
these
reasons
that
we
urge
you
to
support
HB
547.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
J
Oh
I'm,
just
thank
you
very
much
for
your
testimony.
This
is
subject
matter
that
I've
dealt
with
and
then
as
an
instructor
over
a
period
of
time
at
the
University
level.
Are
you
saying
that.
F
J
Three
D
and
G,
and
the
reason
I
pulled
those
sections
out,
is
that
the
speakers
before
you
pull
these
out
and
indicated
that
these
were
that
Kennedy
that
coach
Kennedy,
the
ruling
in
that
particular
case,
was
narrowly
applied
or
at
least
interpreted,
and
this
seems
like
a
broader
interpretation
of
that
than
what
that
case.
Did
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
figure
it
out.
In
my
own
mind,.
F
In
section
two
I
mean
I
think
it
says:
engaging
private
religious
expression
otherwise
protected
by
the
First
Amendment
of
the
United
States
Constitution
I
think
that
is
that
a
sound
the.
J
Q
J
F
So
that
you
don't
show
disfavor
special
disfavor
towards
religious
actions,
a
lot
of
what
this
bill
is
is.
J
M
M
Welcome
Mr
chairman,
if
I
could
just
respond,
I
know
you
to
some
comments
earlier.
You
know
in
in
America
where
we
were
founded
upon
the
principles
of
the
Bible.
In
the
last
few
years,
we've
been
asked
to
not
live
out
our
faith.
Basically,
when
we
go
into
a
school
and
we
go
into
a
government
building,
we're
all
of
a
sudden
supposed
to
take
off
that
religious
hat
and
put
it
at
the
door
principles
that
guided
us
that
do
guide
us
and
have
guided
us
in
a
country.
M
We
can
go
to
a
ball
game
and
at
halftime
they
play
music
like
I'm,
on
the
Highway
to
Hell
by
ACDC
at
high
school
ball
games.
But
but
a
kid
can't
stand
up
or
a
teacher
couldn't
stand
up
and
pray
at
a
ball
game
at
Halftime
or
sing
Jesus
Loves,
Me
or
any
other
religious
song.
We've
been
asked
to
keep
our
mouth
shut
while
Highway
to
Hell
and
some
would
say:
well,
that's
not
a
religious
song.
M
Their
faith,
like
the
Constitution
of
the
United
States
under
the
first
amendment,
allows
them
to
that's
what
this
bill
does
and
it,
and
it
tells
those
of
not
just
the
Christian
religion,
but
if
you,
your
religion,
is
protected
under
this
first
amendment
and
and
it
encourages,
if
there's
anything
in
the
world,
that
our
kids
and
our
schools
need
today
is
teachers
who
can
help
guide
them
along
and
not
have
a
fear
of
some
outside
of
the
state
group
trying
to
prohibit
them
from
having
their
First
Amendment
right.
M
A
A
J
Explain
my
past
voted
this
time.
I'm
inclined
to
vote
no,
because
my
analysis
and
interpretation
of
the
case
law
that
we're
talking
about
it's
not
consistent
with
what
I'm
hearing
in
the
presentation
and
let
me
reference
the
fact
that
you
know
I
consider
myself
a
man
of
faith.
I
am
a
True
Believer,
but
I
also
believe
that
we
ought
to
fall,
follow
and
conduct
our
behavior
in
the
framework
of
the
law
and
as
I
interpret
the
law.
From
my
legal
background,
my
analysis
and
my
instructional
background.
J
This
aspects
of
this
would
not
be
consistent
with
that
I
think
it's
likely
unconstitutional
at
least
part
of
it
now
part
of
this
I
really
like
I,
think
fits
very
well
within
it,
and
that's
why
I
hesitate
and
I
pass
as
opposed
to
saying
no
at
this
point
it
may
change
I'm
going
to
do
a
little
more
investigation,
but
thank
you
for
coming
forward
and
presenting
thank
you.
Mr,
chair,
Senator,.
N
N
All
my
life
and
I
was
in
church
on
Sunday
I
get
up
an
hour
early
because
we
lost
time
to
make
sure
I
was
in
church
I,
go
to
church,
regularly
very
active
in
my
church,
but
I
understand,
there's
a
time
and
place
for
worship
and
there's
a
time
and
place
for
for
other
things,
I'm,
not
as
much
troubled
about
2D,
because
I
do
believe
in
The,
Fellowship
of
Christian
athletes,
as
I
said
I
when
I
was
in
high
school
I
was
president
of
the
fellowship
of
Christian
athletes
and
I.
N
Think
religion
has
its
place
here
when
I,
of
course,
when
I
went
to
high
school,
we
prayed
before
football
games
for
track
meets
it
wasn't
seen
as
anything
bad
or
negative.
Then
I
had
no
problem
doing
it.
I
can
see
how
that's
changed
now
and
and
I'm.
Okay.
If
you
still
want
to
pray
before
a
sporting
event,
you
still
have
that
right
privately
to
do
so.
Okay
and
I
probably
would
do
that.
Okay,
but
G
really
worries
me
because,
what's
not
instructional
time
is,
is
playing
sports
non-instructional.
You
could
make
that
argument.
N
No
is
is
having
lunch
non-instructional.
You
could
make
that
argument.
I
I
think
this
I
the
way
I
read
this
bill.
It
really
goes
beyond
the
brimington
case.
It
allows
teachers
to
do
things
that
they
that
that
I
think
it
see
exceeds
the
reasoning
and
the
decision
in
that
case
I'm
a
little
worried
about
that,
and
sometimes
we
use
use
these
statues
as
a
veil
to
try
to
promote
religion.
I.
Don't
really
want
to
do
that
either.
I!
N
Think
if
you,
if
you
want
to
be
religious,
you
you
can,
you
can
find
ways
to
do
that
outside
trying
to
create
these
laws
and
and
I
will
tell
you
that
representative
Fugate
that
I
voted
just
a
couple
years
ago
to
have
a
Bible
class.
N
If
you
want
to
have
an
educational
class
on
the
Bible
I'm,
all
for
that
I'm
all
for
teaching
religion
in
school,
yeah,
I
I
believe
that
that's
an
important
subject
that
could
be
taught
but
but
but
to
to
proselytize,
which
I
think
what
this
bill
is
doing
in
this
instance
that
that
goes
too
far.
For
me,
there's
a
time
and
place
for
everything.
I
think
this
procedultation
goes
too
far,
and
that's
why
I
vote
no.
A
R
Yeah
I
I'm
voting
I
because
they
talk
about
non-religious
expression
and
and
G
we're
talking
about
private
expression.
But
today
we
see
a
lot
of
what
is
quote
non-religious
expression
or
what
is
quote
private
expression,
which
is
really
coercion
into
non-religious
activities
into
private
activities
that
are
not
supported
by
the
community
of
any
faith.
And
what
we
really
need
to
do
is
encourage
private
expressions
and
religious
expressions
of
all
faith
on
how
they
can
get
along
together
and
not
say
these
religious
Expressions.
R
C
A
N
Thank
you,
chairman
West
Mr
chairman
was
I
was
away
from
the
committee
when
we
voted
on
on
House
Bill
241
I
want
to
express
my
I
vote
there,
so
that
bill
can
stay
on
consent.
N
The
problem
with
that
on
on
House
Bill
538
I
will
follow
Senator,
Neal
and
I'll
pass
on
that
I
may
vote
for
it
on
the
floor,
but
yeah
I
read
that
bill
last
night
too,
and
I
have
some
concerns,
as
we
expressed
it
on
the
floor
before
about
the
extent
of
discretion
and
the
abusive
discretion
that
night
might
take
place
there
with
regard
to
discipline
the
students.
So
therefore
I'm
gonna
pass
at
the
present
time.
Okay,.