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A
President,
we
do
have
a
quorum,
let
the
record
reflect
and
are
due
to
constituted
to
do
business.
We
are
going
to
take
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
first,
but
then,
after
that,
we
are
going
to
go
out
of
order
to
accommodate
some
schedules.
House
Bill,
172
and
act
relating
to
barbering
I
would
point
out
to
the
bill,
sponsor
that
this
has
been
well
vented
during
the
interim,
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
Thank.
E
So
House
Bill
172,
this
exact
bill
was
passed
through
the
Senate
last
year,
as
was
Senate
Bill
58.
With
a
vote
of
34-0
to
4..
We
are
asking
that
the
36
months
to
acquire
a
barber
instructor's
license
be
adjusted
to
12
months.
We
consider
this
a
a
Workforce
Development
issue.
We've
had
three
barber
schools,
one
in
Ashland,
one
in
Albany
and
one
in
Bowling
Green
closed
due
to
not
having
instructors
impacting
approximately
40
students.
E
We
have
instructors
instructors
that
drive
90
minutes
each
way
from
Corbin
to
Harrodsburg,
and
the
instructors
from
northern
Kentucky
drive
from
Lexington
to
Louisville.
You
know
the
far
ends
of
the
state
are
underrepresented.
The
board
would
like
the
opportunity
to
cultivate
instructors
for
those
areas
currently
there's
an
interest
in
opening
a
barber
school
in
Ashland
Paducah
in
Pikeville.
So
simply
put
it
takes
six
years
to
open
own
or
operate
a
school
of
Barbering,
and
we
are
asking
that
that
be
adjusted
to
four
years.
Very.
F
A
G
A
A
A
There
being
eight
years,
no
Nays,
Hospital
172
is
passed
with
favorable
expression
that
same
should
pass.
Do
I,
hear
a
motion
for
consent,
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second
for
consent.
Let
the
record
reflect
all
those
in
favor
use,
voting
sign
of
I
and
when
post
like
sign,
the
bill
goes
on
consent.
Congratulations
and
I
believe
this
is
first
time
before
the
committee
welcome.
It's
very
special
to
have
a
good
Northern
Kentucky
in
here.
Thank.
A
A
Senator
I
know
it's
been
a
long
road
to
this
committee
and
I
want
to
commend
you
for
your
vigilance
and
on
this
bill.
I
have
been
working
with
you
and
people
who
have
carried
this
bill
before
you
for
years,
and
you
are
an
example
to
us
all
of
class
and
the
way
to
handle
yourself
on
a
controversial
issues
which
people
feel
passionately
about
in
both
directions.
And
it's
great
to
have
you
and
your
colleagues
here
before
us
introduce
yourself
for
the
record.
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H
You
Mr
chairman
Steve
West
Senate,
District
27,
and,
if
you
don't
mind,
if
I
we
could
introduce
our
guests
now,
if
that's
appropriate,
that'd
be
fine.
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H
It
all
started,
I
didn't
intend
to
ever
get
into
medical
marijuana
or
take
a
look
at
the
issue,
but
I
had
two
really
really
good
constituents,
Eric
and
Michelle
Crawford
from
Mason
County
Michelle
sitting
back
here
in
the
audience,
and
they
had
filed
a
senate
or
a
resolution
in
Mason
County
for
medical
marijuana
and
once
I
got
into
it,
started,
reviewing
it
the
more
I
researched
it.
The
more
I
was
on
board
with
the
issue
and
it's
been
back
and
forth
ever
since
it's
as
you
can
it's
been
a
long
road.
H
It's
past
the
house
a
couple
times
from
the
original
version,
there's
been
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
changes
and
before
I
get
into
it.
I'd
really
like
to
thank
Chris
Joffrey
on
the
the
bill
drafter
for
his
work
on
this
bill
he's
a
true
professional
that
has
done
a
lot
of
work
over
the
last
five
years
and
and
continues
to
do
a
great
job.
H
I'm
going
to
go
through
really
really
quickly,
some
of
the
high
points
of
the
bill
and
then
I'm
going
to
turn
over
to
the
speakers
for
a
few
minutes
and
let
them
say
their
piece,
but
it's
it's
a
long
bill.
It's
a
complicated
bill
around
150,
page
122
pages,
with
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
complicated
issues
inside
and
I've
I've
tried
to
do
this
to
help
members.
H
If
you're
going
through
the
bill,
I've
kind
of
marked
it
up
a
little
bit
for
you,
a
marijuana
is
defined
on
page
89.
The
qualifying
conditions
are
on
page
four.
Those
are
very
important
I'm
going
to
read
those
really
quickly.
H
These
are
the
things
that
the
medical
conditions
that
marijuana
can
be
used
for
medical
marijuana,
any
type
or
form
of
cancer,
regardless
of
stage
chronic,
severe,
intractable
or
debilitating
pain,
epilepsy
or
any
other
intractable,
seizure
disorder,
multiple
sclerosis,
muscle
spasms
or
spasticity,
chronic
nausea
or
cyclical,
vomiting,
post-traumatic
stress
disorder,
and
then
we
added
one
recently
any
other
medical
condition
or
disease
for
which
the
Kentucky
Center
for
cannabis
is
fines,
appropriate,
and
so
that's
that's.
What's
covered
in
the
bill.
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A
person
using
medical
marijuana
must
apply
for
a
card
and
be
approved.
The
entity
in
state
government
that
we
chose
to
take
care
of
this
is
the
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services.
We
gave
them
great
latitude
within
the
bill
to
come
up
with
regulations
and
implement
the
bill.
Initially,
that
was
ABC.
That's
been
changed
several
times,
but
we
felt
they
were
the
best
cabinet
to
handle
this
situation.
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A
H
A
Hear
a
motion
to
adopt
the
sub
there's
a
motion
and
a
second
to
adopt
the
sub
to
Senate
Bill
47,
all
those
in
favor
use,
voting
sign
of
I
opposed
like
sign
the
step
the
committee
sub
to
Senate
Bill
47
is
adopted.
I
also
want
to
point
out
to
people
here
that
this
sub
has
been
online
since
Friday
proceed.
Thank.
H
You
Mr
chairman,
there's
a
reciprocity
Provisions
in
this
bill.
We've
worked
extensively
with
fop
to
make
sure
everything
is
clear
to
a
police
officer
as
to
what
is
medical
cannabis
and
what
is
illegal
cannabis.
H
This
is
in
the
Casper
system,
so
providers
will
know
exactly
who's
getting
what
and
how
much
persons
shall
not
operate
cars
vessels
aircraft
Under
the
Influence
smoking
is
not
allowed
in
this
bill.
This
is
a
key
provision
that
I
want
to
point
out
to
every
member
of
the
committee.
If
you
would
pay
attention
to
this,
if,
if
you're
having
heartburn
about
this
bill,
implementation
with
this
is
not
not
set
until
January
1st
of
2025.,
so
we're
giving
the
cabinet
a
long
time
to
to
enact
regulations
and
then
put
those
into
place.
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Anyone
doing
this
must
have
a
written
certification
and
a
registry
identification
card
and
there's
there's
separate
licenses
for
each
provision
in
this
bill.
There's
there's
cultivators,
there's
dispensers,
there's
producers,
that
is
a
very
hot
30
000
foot
view
highlight.
J
I'd
like
to
start
just
by
quickly
saying
chairman
schickel
and
to
the
committee
members,
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
have
this
discussion
here.
It's
been
a
long
time.
Coming
over
the
years
we
had
the
privilege
of
speaking
before
many
committees
and
we
had
the
time
to
build
bonds
lasting
relationships
with
many
of
you
guys.
There
are
some
new
members,
but
we
have
had
many
relationships
grown
over
the
many
years
and
we
appreciate
that
and.
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J
You
sir
we'd,
like
to
thank
you
for
taking
taking
us
under
your
wings
and
giving
us
counsel
and
showing
us
how
things
work
defending
us
when
it
was
needed,
because
we
know
cannabis
is
a
very
polarizing
subject,
even
within
The
Advocates.
So
thank
you
for
that.
The
Journey
hasn't
been
easy.
We
started
this
back
in
2013
and
here
we
are
I
had
a
nine-year-old
at
that
time
now
he's
19.
fully
grown
has
a
life
of
his
own.
So
here
we
are
pushing
for
this.
J
We're
patients
I
met
the
crawfords
here,
fighting
for
Liberty
and
freedom,
just
like
me,
so
just
to
keep
it
brief.
I'd
like
to
say
it's,
it's
been
a
long
time
getting
here.
Let's
not
stop
just
with
the
discussion.
Let's
allow
this
vote
to
happen
and
give
safe
access
to
Kentucky
patients,
I'd
like
to
volunteer
my
services
and
what
I've
learned
over
the
last
10
or
so
years
to
the
Commonwealth,
so
that
we
can
build
a
working
program
for
patients
across
the
state.
So
thank
you.
You're.
A
K
Name
is
Eric
Crawford,
chairman
schickel
Vice,
chairman
nemus
committee
members.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
this
opportunity
to
speak
about
Senate
Bill
47,
the
medical
cannabis
bill.
I
was
born
and
raised
in
Maysville
Kentucky
Maysville,
just
in
the
title
last
week
of
the
best
Southern
small
town
in
the
country.
According
to
USA
Today
I'm,
a
proud
Mason
County,
my
home
Informer
in
Orangeburg,
the
same
Community.
My
family
has
lived
in
for
Generations
I
love,
Kentucky
I've
said
it
before:
I
am
Kentucky
growing
up.
K
I
was
my
dad's
sidekick
fishing
rabbit
hunting
with
beagles
and
hunting
with
Walker
hounds
every
day
was
an
outdoor
adventure
in
Kentucky.
With
my
dad
I
had
an
amazing
childhood
I
have
a
beautiful
wife
Michelle,
who
is
the
world's
greatest
caregiver
I
love?
My
wife
I
have
a
loving
mom
that
stays
and
takes
care
of
me.
When
my
wife
goes
to
the
grocery
store.
K
K
My
life
changed
forever.
April
14
1994.
I
was
22
years
old.
That
night
I
was
a
pastor
in
a
car
that
hit
a
800
pound
milk
cow
that
was
sitting
in
the
road.
The
Collision
caused
the
cow
to
bust
through
the
t-tops
and
ran
directly
on
my
head.
That
unfortunate
accident
broke
my
neck
in
three
places.
Since
that
night
I
became
a
quadriplegic.
K
K
In
one
second,
my
life
changed
forever.
Imagine
in
a
blink
of
an
eye
your
life
changing
dramatically.
It
can
happen
to
you.
It
could
happen
to
any
of
us
in
one.
Second,
we
don't
know
God's
plan
for
us,
but
I
do
know.
God
is
my
protector
and
he's
always
had
me
in
a
palm
of
his
hand.
I'm
a
Child
of
God,
as
we
all
are
had
a
different
kind
of
path.
K
K
K
It
allows
me
longevity
and
a
better
quality
of
life.
It
has
to
be
a
better
husband,
son
friend
and
man
than
a
pharmaceutical
route.
Surely
there's
nobody
on
this
committee
that
thinks
I'd
be
better
off
taking
opioids
in
2021
2250
kentuckians
died
from
a
drug
overdose
that
was
up
14
and
a
half
percent
from
2020.
K
K
K
K
A
A
Well,
it's
good
to
see
our
last
speaker
is
Senator
Jay,
Williams,
sister
and
I
just
got
to
meet
her
a
few
moments
ago,
and
the
Williams
family
is
a
great
friend
of
mine
of
me,
and
so
it's
great
to
see
you
looking
so
well
and
you
certainly
I,
certainly
see
the
family
resemblance.
Introduce
yourself
for
the
record
proceed
with
your
testimony.
M
I've
had
many
opportunities
for
public
speaking
in
my
life
and
enjoys
each
one
in
August
of
2018
I
had
the
honor
of
being
invited
to
speak
at
the
United
States
patent
and
trademark
annual
inventors
conference
in
March
of
2020
I,
most
unexpectedly
was
diagnosed
with
Melbourne
City.
Unless
there
is
no
known
cause
and
no
effective
treatment
by
December
of
2021
I
could
no
longer
speak,
eat
or
walk.
M
As
a
former
competitive
athlete
muscle
cramps
were
not
uncommon
when
training
these
cramps
were
more
intense
and
lasted
longer.
But
LS
is
a
hyper
metabolic
disease.
Address
your
muscles.
Never
stop.
Twitching
weight
loss
leading
to
increase
weakness
is
a
constant
battle.
This
disease
will
take
my
life
I.
Ask
that
my
days
be
as
comfortable
as
possible
with
access
to
the
THC
tincture.
That
is
the
only
thing
that
gives
me
relief
when
I
could
swallow
I
took
it
some
liquidly.
Now
it
is
administered
through
my
feeding.
Tube
I
do
not
have
brain
fog-
quite
the
contrary.
M
Without
painful
cramps,
I
am
more
productive.
I
have
been
doing
family
genealogy
research
about
my
Kentucky
kin,
going
back
to
1785.
I
will
be
laid
to
rest
in
a
family
plot
in
Paris
Kentucky,
with
my
third
great
grandparents,
Douglas
and
Rachel
clay
Lewis.
For
the
sake
of
those
who
suffer,
please
vote
to
pass.
A
This
Bill,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
stirring.
H
A
Effective
testimony
and
welcome
to
our
committee,
it's
great
to
see
here,
you
see
you
here
looking
so
well.
We
are
over
time
at
this
point,
so
what
I
would
like
to
do?
Is
there
anyone
here
that
wants
to
speak
against
this
okay?
A
Anyone
else
raise
your
hand
if
you're
here
to
speak
against
this
legislation,
don't
be
bashful.
Okay,
I
am
going
to
ask
if
you
all
could
step
back
from
the
table
and
if
you
two
generals
like
to
come
forward
and
be
giving
your
15
minutes
and
I
want
to
emphasize
that
you
do
not
have
to
take
all
your
time.
There's
no
requirement
for
that.
A
N
N
Not
only
am
I
sympathetic
to
them,
but
I
have
witnessed
firsthand
the
effects
of
a
family
member's
chronic
disorder
which
caused
much
pain
and
greatly
disrupted
their
life.
I've
shared
in
the
heartache
of
sitting
with
a
close
family
member
as
they
receive
treatment
for
cancer
and
watching
them
endure
that
incredibly
difficult
battle
for
survival.
N
But
the
reality
is
that
there
is
insufficient
scientific
evidence
that
marijuana
is
an
effective
pain
relieving
agent
or
that
it
is
safe
and
effective
as
a
medication.
That
is
why
the
Family
Foundation
has
acknowledged
the
need
for
additional
Research
into
the
potential
medicinal
properties
of
marijuana
and
has
advocated
for
the
FDA
to
ensure
timely
research,
while
the
majority
of
states
have
enacted
so-called
medical
marijuana,
those
decisions
have
been
political
and
lacked
a
careful
scientific
evaluation
of
the
benefits
and
risks
of
marijuana's
use.
N
N
The
FDA
has
already
approved
several
marijuana-based
medicines
created
with
purified
chemicals
derived
from
or
based
on
those
found
in
marijuana.
Researchers
generally
view
these
medications
to
be
more
promising.
Dosing
can
be
more
accurate
and
more
controlled.
Other
states.
Attempts
to
legalize
medical
marijuana
have
revealed
unintended
consequences,
such
as
easier
access
to
Children
a
segment
of
our
population
that
is
particularly
vulnerable
to
the
harms
of
addiction
and
abuse
of
marijuana.
N
It
is
also
worth
noting
that
a
survey
of
states
which
legalize
medical
marijuana
reveals
a
pattern
of
full
legalization
for
recreational
purposes
quickly
following
ultimately,
the
Family
Foundation
believes
that
the
legislature
is
not
the
appropriate
venue
to
authorize
a
new
medicine
or
new
drug.
More
research
is
needed.
It's
for
these
reasons
that
we
respectfully
oppose
Senate
Bill
47..
Thank
you
for
your
time.
D
Yes,
Gene
Cole
with
the
Kentucky
ethics,
League,
Kentucky
league
on
alcohol,
gambling
problems
and
substance
use
disorders.
He
took
quite
a
bit
of
my
thunder.
That's.
D
A
Sure
got
plenty
of
questions
for
both
groups
and
I
want
to
get
to
them.
Does
anyone
in
the
panel
have
questions
for
either
group
you
know
maybe
I
was
wrong,
which
is
fine
too.
That
means
everyone
did
a
great
job,
explaining
their
position.
C
A
G
Mr
chairman,
as
you
know,
I'm
an
anesthesiologist
I'm,
a
physician
I've
been
in
healthcare
for
a
lot
longer
than
I'd
like
to
say
out
loud.
If
you'll
give
me
about
two
minutes,
I'll
need
that
to
explain
my
vote.
First.
G
G
G
G
G
Now
Mr
Mr,
chairman
I,
am
in
favor
of
a
wider
spread,
widespread
use
of
some
of
the
marijuana
and
its
components
through
former
political
studies
and
through
data
collection
and
there's
no
doubt
absolutely
no
doubt
that
marijuana
and
some
of
its
components
have
had
some
positive
effects
on
some
of
the
issues
and
some
of
the
health
issues
that
people
are
having.
G
O
P
My
vote
and
explain,
vote
and
explain
I'm
going
to
cast
a
no
vote
today,
Mr
chairman
and
by
way
of
explanation
and
just
to
say
to
Jaime
and
to
Eric.
They
have
conducted
their
work
with
diligence
and
in
a
manner
that
is
admirable
in
the
way
that
we
do
things
around
here.
I
fundamentally
come
in
a
different
place
on
the
policy,
but
the
personalities
behind
it
could
not
have
been
brought
more
Honor
on
the
overall
nature
of
the
democratic
process
and
I
do
appreciate
them.
For
that.
A
Q
Q
I
have
been
a
long
time.
Opponent
of
legislation
relating
to
marijuana,
I
came
into
this
body
20
years
ago,
with
a
strong
set
of
core
beliefs.
I
grew
up
in
the
1980s
during
a
very
strong
anti-drug
culture,
if
you're
a
pot
smoker
and
you're.
Looking
for
me
to
help
get
the
camel's
nose,
Under
the
Tent,
so
you
can
smoke
your
pot
legally
in
Kentucky
I'm,
not
your
guy.
Q
The
number
of
afflictions
that
medical
cannabis
can
be
used
for
this
narrowly
focused
approach
has
got
my
vote.
I
agree
with
Senator
Douglas
I
agree
with
everything.
That's
a
gentleman
from
the
Family
Foundation
said,
but
to
quote
the
lady
who
spoke
earlier
today
for
the
sake
of
those
who
suffer
of
ODI.
R
Mr,
chair
I'd
like
to
explain
my
I
vote,
a
vote
and
explain,
first
of
all,
like
Senator,
Harper,
Angel
and
like
Senator.
There
I
want
to
thank
you,
Senator
West,
you,
you
worked
very
hard
and
very
diligently
diligently
on
your
bill
and
I
commend
you
for
getting
this
across
the
finish
line
when
I
ran
for
this
office
10
years
ago,
back
in
the
fall
of
2013
.
R
I
promised
the
people
of
Lexington
and
my
constituents
that
I
would
support
medical
marijuana
that
was
important
to
them
and
ever
since
I've
arrived
in
the
senate
in
2014,
I
have
co-sponsored
this
legislation
each
and
every
year,
and
today
it's
just
satisfying
and
gratifying
that
that
I
kept
my
word
to
those
people
to
my
constituents
and
seeing
this
get
past
the
committee
in
some
respects.
This
is
personal
for
me,
because
I
had
a
wife
who
I
lost
the
cancer
and
I
saw
her
in
pain
constantly
and
wish.
R
I
could
have
done
everything
possible,
obviously,
obviously
to
cure
her,
but
at
least
to
give
her
some
pain,
relief.
Also
and
I
understand
the
pain
that
cancer
patients
feel,
and
this
will
help
alleviate
that
pain.
So
with
that
said,
Mr
chair
I
vote
I.
Thank
you
on
this
bill.
A
And
a
lot
has
been
said
about
the
bill
sponsor
and
I
just
want
to
say
ditto
to
everything
that
they've
said
about
the
bill
sponsor
and
the
way
this
this
journey
has
gone
really
adds
Credence
to
the
process.
A
H
A
B
A
The
next
item
on
the
agenda-
I'm
gonna,
let's
take
House
Bill
287,
real,
quick
I-
don't
think
that's
going
to
take
long.
A
Okay,
oh
he
is
he's
not
coming
back.
Okay
go
ahead,
you
can
just
do
it
from
here.
We
are
handling
house
bill
right
now.
287.
S
I
expect
this
to
be
a
lot
longer
than
that
one
yeah,
thank
you.
Mr,
chairman
I.
Don't
expect
this
to
be
as
long
as
the
other
one
it's
pretty
much.
All
it
is
is
charitable
gaming
that
for
for
deposits,
that
they
could
make
them
just
once
a
week
instead
of
every
time
they
have
a
a
game.
A
We
believe
Rogers
complaints
from
our
fraternal
organizations
that
the
reporting
requirements
were
cumbersome.
I
thought
I
heard
a.
A
And
then
a
second
motion
from
Senator
Adams.
Second
from
Senator
there
any
discussion,
oh
I'm,
sorry,
Senator,
McDaniel,
any
discussion.
Q
A
S
A
A
A
T
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
committee.
We
all
know
what
we're
here
for
so
I'll
go
through
my
notes
quickly
and
concisely.
I
am
here
to
present
House
Bill
594
regarding
gaming
in
Kentucky.
Let
me
begin
briefly
by
letting
you
all
the
collaboration
that
was
involved
with
this
bill.
The
retail
Federation
with
Dave
and
Busters
and
Chuck
E
cheese
were
involved,
including
Malibu
Jackson,
Monkey
Joe's
and
the
like
charitable
gaming
was
involved.
The
state
fair
board,
the
University
of
Kentucky
were
involved.
T
Kentucky
has
always
done
an
excellent
job
of
regulating
gaming
and
we
want
to
continue
that
effort
Now
by
outlawing
illegal
gaming
machines
and
explicitly
saying
what
is
gambling
and
what
is
not,
and
what
devices
machines
are
gambling
machines
and
which
ones
are
not.
Let
me
introduce
Ashley
Watts
with
the
State
Chamber
of
Commerce.
U
Thank
you,
representative,
chairman
schickel
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
today.
I'm
Ashley,
Watts,
president
and
CEO
of
the
Kentucky
Chamber
of
Commerce.
You
all
may
know
that
the
Kentucky
chamber
is
the
state's
largest
Business
Association,
representing
thousands
of
members
from
every
corner
of
the
state
and
every
sector.
U
The
Kentucky
chamber
has
made
our
position
on
to
ban
grain
machines
very
clear
for
a
number
of
reasons,
but
first
and
foremost
it
was
our
membership
who
requested
that
we
vet
the
bill,
and
it
was
our
members
who
were
in
agreement
in
taking
the
policy
position
of
supporting
the
ban.
All
of
our
policy
decisions
at
the
chamber
are
driven
by
our
members.
There
is
a
rigorous
process
which
many
of
you
all
as
legislators
have
gone
through.
U
Whenever
someone
asked
us
to
vet
a
bill,
it
is
brought
to
a
vote
before
one
of
our
several
policy
councils
and
then
to
our
board
and
finally,
our
executive
committee,
our
members
elected
to
support,
Banning
these
machines
because
of
the
way
in
which
they
were
instituted
illegally
without
government
authorization
or
oversight.
We
have
made
our
position
on
this
issue
very
transparent,
both
publicly
and
within
our
membership.
To
this
day,
I
have
not
received
one
single
call,
text,
email
or
correspondence
from
a
member
of
the
Kentucky
Chamber
of
Commerce,
expressing
disagreement
on
this
position.
U
Nor
have
any
of
my
colleagues.
We
tackle
big
picture
issues,
as
you
all
know,
at
the
Kentucky
chamber,
that
impact
our
state's
economy
and
efforts
to
make
our
Commonwealth
more
competitive,
and
we
are
unabashed
supporters
of
our
signature
Industries
to
ensure
that
Kentucky
can
maintain
its
identity
and
claim
to
be
the
horse
capital
of
the
world
or
the
bourbon
capital
of
the
world.
And
we
know
these
machines
do
pose
a
threat
to
the
equine
industry
that
you
all
of
us
as
a
legislature,
have
fought
so
hard
to
protect.
U
Not
a
single
member
of
the
chamber
decides
what
position
we
take
on
any
given
bill.
It
is
a
thorough
and
rigorous
process
where
all
sides
of
an
issue
are
taken
into
effect.
Anything
said
to
the
contrary
is
simply
not
true.
Many
of
you,
as
legislators,
have
had
issues
that
the
chamber
has
taken
up.
Some
of
you
even
on
this
committee,
have
presented
our
policy
councils
or
our
board
and
know
that
we
take
all
sides
into
account.
U
A
W
Thank
you
Mr
chairman
committee
members.
My
name
is
Larry
Arnett
today,
I
speak
on
behalf
of
the
26
veteran
service
organizations,
who
are
members
of
The
Joint
executive,
Council
of
Veteran
organizations
of
Kentucky,
more
specifically,
I've
been
requested
by
the
commanders
of
the
four
largest
veteran
service
organizations
to
speak
on
behalf
of
this
bill,
American
Legion,
Veterans
of
Foreign,
Wars,
Disabled,
American,
Veterans
and
Amvets.
W
Mr
chairman,
during
the
interim
session
Malcolm
Cherry,
a
Marine
Corps
veteran
and
Commander
of
post
23,
American,
Legion
and
Bowling
Green
spoke
to
you
in
regards
to
this
issue,
and
he
indeed
also
supported
the
passage
of
this
bill
in
his
testimony.
He
asked
me
today
to
main
to
actually
address
one
major
point
in
his
remarks
earlier,
like
hundreds
of
Charities
across
the
state
of
Kentucky,
he
joins
hands
with
three
others
in
Bowling
Green,
the
Marine
Corps
League,
the
VFW
and
the
AmVets
to
do
charitable
gaming.
W
The
money
is
derived
from
that
charitable
gaming
supports
tornado
victims
in
Western,
Kentucky
flood
victims
in
Eastern,
Kentucky,
homeless
veterans
and
others
in
and
around
Bowling
Green,
schools,
churches,
athletic
teams,
Red
Cross,
Salvation,
Army,
soup
kitchens
and
others.
Here's
the
point
he
wanted
to
make.
Since
those
gray
machines
showed
up
the
revenue
that
was
derived
from
charitable
gaming
by
those
four
organizations
have
been
cut
in
half.
W
V
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
Mark
gilfoyle
I'm,
here
to
speak,
welcome
mark.
Thank
you,
chairman
I,
really
appreciate
that
warm
welcome.
Our
Coalition
consists
of
the
state's
horse
industry,
charitable
gaming
operations
and
the
four
major
Chambers
of
Commerce.
Our
Coalition
has
been
saying
for
some
time
now
that
these
gray
games
are
illegal
and
here's.
Why?
V
First
there
is
an
ongoing
prosecution
taking
place
against
gray
games
in
round
County,
where
the
sheriff
seized
one
of
these
machines
and
charged
the
owner
of
the
establishment
with
possession
of
a
gambling
device
a
crime
in
Kentucky
that
individual
is
set
to
be
arraigned
on
April
5th.
Second
Kentucky
law.
Existing
law
is
very
clear
that
any
game
that
involves
risking
something
of
value
to
win
a
prize
based
on
any
element
of
chance
is
gambling
and
therefore
prohibited.
V
V
House
Bill
594
is
nothing
more
than
an
exercise
of
the
general
assembly's
police
powers
to
make
certain
types
of
gambling
devices
illegal.
The
legislature
has
been
doing
that
for
decades
back
in
1974,
when
chapter
528
was
Consolidated
and
simplified,
largely
through
the
definitions
that
were
employed,
we
came
to
find
out
that
slot
machines
and
roulette
wheels
they're
called
out
by
name
in
the
existing
law.
Those
types
of
machines
are
illegal.
What
we're
doing
with
this
bill
is
simply
defining
what
these
gray
games
are
and
making
clear
that
they
are
impermissible,
illegal
gambling
devices.
V
We
should
not
be
rewarding
the
bad
behavior
of
gray
machine
operators
who,
without
any
authorization
or
oversight,
have
infected
our
communities
with
their
illegal
gambling
machines.
That's
not
how
we
do
business
here
in
Kentucky.
In
conclusion,
in
order
to
prevent
the
largest
expansion
of
gambling
in
the
history
of
Kentucky,
we
urge
you
to
pass
House
Bill
594..
Thank
you.
A
V
A
A
Let's
move
on
to
let's
go
to
questions:
do
we
have
any
questions.
A
Very
well,
if
you'll
move
back
and
we'll
let
the
other
side
speak
got
a
long
list
of
people
that
want
to
speak
against
this
legislation.
I
hope
you've
picked
out
a
spokesman
or
I'll
have
to
do
it.
For
you
come
on
up
here,
don't
be
bashed
for
see
some
familiar
faces.
My
friend,
Chris
weesh,
was
supposed
to
be
here
to
it's
typical
he's
late,
the
Chris.
Are
you
out
there?
Okay,
don't
say
I
didn't
ask!
Welcome!
A
X
Technologies
I
live
in
the
St
Matthews
area
of
Jefferson
County
in
the
30
or
19th
Senate
District
I
finally
have
a
senator.
This
is
Howard
Greer,
our
company's
compliance
officer,
and
this
gentleman
can
introduce
some
selfies
from
pastramatic.
A
Z
Morning,
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
Howard
Greer
and
I
represent
prominent
Technologies
in
the
capacity
of
compliance
and
government
Affairs
I'm,
a
Marine
Corps
veteran
serving
abroad
during
operation
enduring
freedom
and
and
I
have
served
the
Commonwealth
with
the
Department
Corrections
and
receive
my
education
from
Murray
State
University.
My
wife
is
a
school
teacher.
We
have
four
daughters
and
reside
in
Graves.
County.
Z
I
am
one
example
of
many
kentuckians
that
the
skill
game
industry
impacts
directly
today,
I'm
here
not
only
representing
my
company
but
hundreds
of
Kentucky
business
owners
with
the
supplemental
Revenue
that
our
games
generate.
These
businesses
employ
over
a
thousand
kentuckians
and
almost
every
congressional
district
in
the
state
in
rural
areas.
We
are
often
in
partnership
with
the
few
establishments
in
that
Community,
helping
them
to
provide
employment
opportunities
and
towns
that
we
all
know
desperately
need
them.
Through
our
business
model,
the
locations
received
the
highest
take
of
profits
at
a
minimum
rate
of
50
percent.
Z
Our
small
businesses
will
tell
you
the
additional
Revenue
we
provide,
affords
the
ability
to
pay
more
competitive
wages
and
an
already
tough
hiring
market
and
helps
to
keep
prices
low
on
the
goods
and
services
they
offer
when
margins
are
small.
Needless
to
say,
thousands
of
people
in
the
Commonwealth
are
either
directly
or
indirectly
impacted
by
our
industry
as
a
whole.
From
the
onset,
the
skill
game
industry
and
its
small
business
partners
have
been
under
constant
and
heavy
assault
from
opponents.
Z
We
were
nicknamed
gray
machines,
and
that
was
an
effective
marketing
tactic,
as
we
have
argued
many
times
on
this
hill
before
the
law
is
clear
and
specifically
States
and
krs-528
a
contest
or
game
in
which
eligibility
to
participate
is
determined
by
chance,
and
the
ultimate
winner
is
determined
by
skill
shall
not
be
considered.
Gambling
to
clarify
our
game
is
a
Simon
game,
but
instead
of
colors
we
have
symbols
and
characters
that
correspond
to
the
selected
game
theme.
It
involves
the
skills
of
sequential
processing,
short-term
memory,
attention
and
visual
processing.
Z
These
are
the
same
skills
used
in
games
at
Chuck,
E,
cheese
and
Dave
and
Busters
contrary
to
popular
belief.
Our
games
are
not
gambling
a
player
can
develop
their
skill
on
our
machines
and
win
every
time
we
have
locations
that
will
hit
monthly
hold
rates
of
negative
five
to
six
percent.
Our
company's
effective
hold
rate
is
around
seven
percent.
With
that
being
said,
we
have
made
every
attempt
from
before
our
launch
in
Kentucky
to
demonstrate
how
our
games
play
and
how
our
business
operates
not
only
legally
but
also
ethically.
Z
We've
approached
members
of
the
general
assembly,
Attorney
General's
office,
local
authorities
and
associations
at
many
levels.
It
seems
as
though
our
attempts
have
been
made
in
vain.
Here's
some
food
for
thought,
prominent
Technologies
as
compliance
officers
in
locations
all
across
the
state
conducting
inspections
about
every
three
to
four
months.
Imagine
if
you
will
that
the
state
implemented
laws
that
gave
these
compliance
officers
and
the
public
a
reporting
function
to
local
law
enforcement,
something
as
simple
as
a
website
to
report
violations
of
illegal
gambling
devices.
Z
So,
if
we're
tracking
that
line
of
thought,
local
law
enforcement
could
receive
the
fines
and
administrative
costs
associated
with
these
infractions
upon
prosecution,
it
would
undoubtedly
be
a
motivation
to
enforce
the
current
gambling
laws
and
taxpayers
would
be
saving
a
tremendous
amount
in
cost
associated
with
regulation.
This
would
also
provide
another
stream
of
Revenue
to
local
law
enforcement
at
a
time
when
budgets
are
shrinking
in
cities
and
towns
across
the
state.
Think
of
the
good
that
regulation
could
do.
Z
Many
of
you
know
that
illegal
gambling
machines
have
existed
in
the
back
room
of
establishments
in
the
Bluegrass
for
decades,
most
turn
of
Blind
Eye
to
it.
But
since
skill
game
companies
came
into
the
state
operating
in
the
open
and
being
productive
corporate
citizens,
it's
organized
crime
and
we
are
coming
after
your
children.
Z
We
have
been
called
and
I
quote
the
single
largest
gambling
expansion
in
Kentucky
history.
That
statement
was
made
just
a
few
days
ago
by
the
sponsor
of
this
bill.
I
would
argue,
551
is
the
largest
expansion
of
gambling
in
Kentucky
history,
bringing
gambling
to
our
phones
where's
the
concern
for
underage
access
on
phones.
Yet
skill
games
are
a
concern
for
the
underaged
when
our
business
owners
are
trusted
to
sell
alcohol
and
tobacco.
Z
You
would
be
doing
a
disservice
to
this
legislative
body,
your
constituents
and
the
people
of
the
Commonwealth
to
vote
in
favor
of
passing
House
Bill
551,
which
grants
access
to
gambling
through
phone
apps,
while
simultaneously
being
against
any
kind
of
conversation
about
regulating
and
taxing
the
skill
game
industry.
Additionally,
skill
gaming
would
likely
generate
more
than
the
projected
23
million
in
revenue
from
the
wagering
bill,
but
still
no
conversations,
no
considerations.
Z
The
writing
is
on
the
wall.
We
see
the
horse
tracks
getting
they're
cutting
551.
Maybe
we
should
entertain
the
idea
of
offering
our
pennants
to
the
horse
Elites
for
permission
to
operate.
Prominent
Technologies
came
here
assuming
that
gains
of
skill
were
permitted
in
the
law,
but
clearly
not
understanding
the
toes
that
we
were
stepping
on.
We
did
not
intend
to
skirt
the
law,
nor
were
we
trying
to
operate
in
the
gray
area
and
do
not
believe
we
are.
Z
We
have
no
desire
or
capabilities
to
be
of
any
competition
with
a
6.9
billion
dollar
handle
that
is
historical
horse
racing.
We'd
completely
support
and
admire
the
Legacy
and
history
that
is
the
horse
industry
in
Kentucky.
We
too
are
kentuckians
and
we
simply
recognize
the
demand
in
the
marketplace
for
Amusement
Games.
Our
purpose
is
to
provide
additional
Revenue
to
your
local
small
businesses.
First
and
foremost,
we
want
to
support
the
small
businesses
that,
in
turn,
support
your
communities.
We
welcome
conversation
regarding
regulation
and
have
a
genuine
desire
to
pay
our
fair
share
in
taxes.
Z
A
X
You
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee
Bob
hellringer
again
for
the
Primitive
Technologies.
Let
me
just
say
dispel
the
notion
immediately
that
we're
not
legal
when
Mr
Guilfoyle
good
lawyer
that
he
is
tells
you
that
we're
illegal,
that's
his
opinion,
which
he's
entitled
to
and
has
about
as
much
value
as
what
horse
I
think
might
win
this
year's
Kentucky
Derby,
okay,
whose
opinion
does
matter
on
that
County
attorneys,
Commonwealth,
attorneys,
Kentucky,
State
Police:
where
are
they?
Could
we
not
bring
one
of
them
in
here
120
County
attorneys.
We
have
57
Commonwealth
attorneys.
X
Where
are
they
where's?
The
sheriff's
Association?
We,
our
games,
haven't
been
picked
up
anywhere.
None
of
our
people
have
been
prosecuted.
They
talk
about
one
case
in
round
County
of
our
competitor
here,
who's
been
charged
with
a
misdemeanor
and
even
in
Mark
guilfoyle's
world
I
hope
that
he
still
believes
that
people
are
innocent
until
proven
guilty.
Okay.
So
let's
talk
about
somebody
else
who
isn't
here
the
horse
racing
industry,
that's
who's
behind
this
bill.
X
They
tried
up
here
front
people
to
represent
them
they're
in
the
room,
but
they
won't
come
and
sign
the
witness
list
and
take
your
questions
about
why
these
people
pose
a
threat
to
their
thriving
industry.
Nurses
are
at
an
all-time
high.
How
can
they
possibly
constitute
a
threat?
They
don't
want
to
have
to
answer
that
question
or
any
others
about
why
they
need
this.
In
addition
to
sports
betting,
that
I'm
for
it's
great
I'm
all
for
helping
the
racing
industry
but
a
monopoly,
have
it
all
I,
don't
think
so.
X
This
is
a
terrible
look
for
both
political
parties.
I'm
a
politician
and
proud
of
it.
Okay
served
in
the
house
and
Democrats
talk
all
the
time
about
We're
the
Party
of
Working
Families.
Well,
here
they
are.
You
have
a
chance
to
vote
for
Working
Families.
What
do
Republicans
say
we're
the
party
of
free
enterprise,
we
believe
in
open
markets,
competition.
X
Let
them
decide
let
the
consumer
decide
not
government.
Do
you
just
believe
that
out
there
or
do
you
believe
it
in
here?
That's
the
question
and
these
people
are
depending
on
you
to
represent
them,
not
the
special
interest
and
give
them
a
chance,
give
them
a
chance
to
make
a
living
in
this
state
with
a
legal
product.
Thank
you.
Y
Mike
barley,
Chief
public
affairs
officer
for
pay
somatic.
The
previous
group
said
this
bill
was
not
about
protective
Monopoly.
That's
just
not
true.
It
is
about
protecting
Monopoly.
They
said
that
this
bill
is
about
not
about
picking
winners
and
losers.
It's
clearly
about
picking
winners
and
losers.
Unfortunately,
it's
not
the
people
behind
us,
the
small
Kentucky
business
owners.
They
are
not
the
winners
in
this.
The
tracks
are
Churchill.
Y
Y
This
has
been
a
top-down
driven
process
driven
by
the
horse
tracks
who
Mr
hellbringer
is
completely
right,
won't
appear,
they
push
upfront
people
to
talk
about
it
and-
and
that's
not
true
many
of
the
things
they
said,
including
the
fact
that
we
harm
their
revenues.
They
have
record
revenues
in
the
HHR
industry
and
the
lottery
the
chamber
hits
on
the
fact
that
they
are
protecting
a
signature
industry.
Y
If
that
signature
industry
is
slot
machines,
then
they
are
correct
at
the
at
the
harm
of
the
small
businesses
they're
supposed
to
be
protecting
and
they
talk
about
crime.
That's
the
most
hypocritical
thing,
I've
heard
in
this
argument:
if
you
go
to
a
city
here,
you're
going
to
find
the
largest
epicenter
of
crime,
is
the
HHR
slots
facility.
A
X
Yes,
we
pay
occupational
tax
in
Three
Counties,
including
this
one
Franklin
Jefferson
Fayette,
on
every
one
of
our
machines
on
an
annual
basis.
Our
operators
pay
income
taxes
on
the
on
the
revenue
that
they
make
off
of
our
machines.
Okay,
but
we're
willing.
We
have
a
bill:
524,
okay,
26
percent
taxes.
In
there.
A
lot
of
money
in
that
bill
are.
A
S
I'd
like
to
explain
my
vote,
vote
and
explain
I'm
from
Full
casinos
I
think
that's
where
we
should
go
I,
don't
like
gambling
everywhere:
I,
don't
like
Keno
everywhere
and
the
the
when
you
say
these
are
skill
games
and
when
the
racetracks
called
them
pair,
Mutual
I
don't
buy
those
I
think
they're
slot
machines,
but
I'm
going
to
vote
no
on
this
bill.
Q
Explain
my
vote.
Mr
chairman
vote
and
explain
I
vote
I
on
behalf
of
the
dozens
excuse
me
on
behalf
of
the
hundreds
of
Charities
that
benefit
from
charitable
gaming
activities
around
this
Commonwealth
on
behalf
of
the
Kentucky
college,
kids,
who
benefit
from
150
million
dollars
a
year
in
key
scholarships
and
on
behalf
of
the
60
000
jobs
and
billions
of
economic
activity.
Our
signature
horse
industry
provides
I,
proudly
vote
I.
R
Sherlock
explain
my
I
vote
vote
and
explain:
I
vote
I
and
Mr
Mr
chair.
My
reason
is
simply
this
I
travel
around
Kentucky
a
lot
and
I
tell
you
as
I
go
into
these
counties
across
the
state.
You
know,
I've
seen
these
machines
and
what
I've
seen
also
are
15,
16
and
17
year
olds,
playing
these
machines
and
I'm
alarmed
and
frightened
by
that
they
they
are
unregulated
and
I.
R
Think
it's
it's
harmful
to
the
health
of
our
society,
to
expose
these
young
people
and
these
young
minds
to
gambling,
that's
unregulated
and
and
that
the
activity
that
comes
from
that
adults,
no
problem,
but
children
I
think
that's
a
bridge
too
far
for
me,
I
mean
talk
about
protecting
families,
but
we
ought
to
protect.
We
talk
about
families
is
protecting
our
young
people.
You
know
from
being
exposed
to
gambling
at
such
a
young
age
and
it's
highly
unregulated
I'm
alarmed
by
that
I
proudly
vote
eye
on
this
Bill.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
AA
I
appreciate
the
committee's
endurance
through
the
previous
testimonies
House
Bill
237
is
a
simple
piece
of
legislation.
A
Just
a
minute
members
of
the
chamber,
our
guests,
please
we
need
silence.
We
do
have
more
business
to
conduct
proceed
with
your
testimony.
AA
Representative
Michael
Meredith
from
the
19th
house,
district,
House,
Bill,
237
deals
with
entertainment,
destination,
centers
I.
Think
most
of
you
all
know
what
those
are.
Those
are
districts
that
a
municipality
can
create,
draw
boundaries
around
an
area,
and
then
you
can
have
a
program
where
folks
can
buy
an
alcoholic
beverage
and
a
licensed
premises.
There
is
generally
a
a
marked
cup
that
allows
you
to
then
walk
around
in
the
area
within
that
district
with
your
beverage.
It
allows
you
to
do
that
on
the
sidewalks
and
in
the
green
spaces
parks
and
things
within
that
District.
AA
A
Of
those
establishments
very
good,
concise
explanation,
we
had
a
motion
I
believe
who
made
it
Senator
nemes
Denise,
Harper,
Angel,
II
I
did
get
one
call
from
ABC
and
Julie
or
I'm.
Sorry,
Senator,
Adams
I
think
might
be
aware
of
this
ABC
in
Louisville
about
this
bill
and
I
told
that
person
that
we
would
take
a
look
at
things
and
if
there
was
a
problem
in
the
future,
try
to
work
with
him
on
it.
I
wasn't
familiar
with
that.