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A
A
Well
happy
new
year
and
welcome
back
to
state
government
and
first
order
business
would
be
to
call
the
roll.
Madam
secretary,
could
you
please
call
the
rule.
A
I'm
here
and
we
do
have
a
quorum
just
a
couple
things
before
we
get
started
some
announcements
and
reminders
members,
please
remember
to
silence
your
cell
phones
and
remember
to
turn
on
your
mics
when
you
speak,
so
everybody
can
hear
you
just
for
to
start
the
year
out.
The
session
out
for
kind
of
chair
committee
policies
just
be
reminded
that
any
committee
substitutes
I'd
like
to
know
about
in
advance,
if
possible.
A
Also,
committee
substitutes
need
to
go
through
the
proper
lrc
vetting
and
drafting
before
they
are
offered.
So
as
far
as
oral
amendments
we're
going
to
try
to
stay
away
from
those
this
session,
but
the
biggest
thing
would
be
to
communicate
with
me
if
you're
planning
a
committee
substitute
in
the
future.
So
final
thing
before
we
get
into
the
legislation,
that's
before
us.
We
have
an
intern
this
year
and
he
is
from
campbellsville
college.
A
A
There
you
go
okay,
members!
If
you
want
to
take
note
in
your
folder,
there
was
a
letter
of
response,
a
recent
letter
of
response
from
the
kentucky
league
of
women
voters
that
was
sent
in
this
morning.
So
we
have
included
that
in
your
folder
as
well.
So
please
take
time
to
take
a
look
at
that.
If
you
don't
mind,
the
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
senate
bill,
2,
symbol.
2
is
an
act
related
to
redistricting,
and
I
am
the
sponsor.
Also
our
primary
co-sponsor.
A
Is
president
stivers
and
I'd
like
to
ask
president
stivers
to
come
to
the
table
as
well.
This
is
the
senate
redistricting
map
and
we
have.
We
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
on
this
and
just
want
to
cover
a
little
bit
of
information
kind
of
some,
a
summary
of
some
of
the
things
that
we
have
been
working
on
and
have
considered
throughout
this
process.
A
A
That
was
a
case
called
baker
versus
carr.
In
1962.,
our
senate
redistricting
maps
were
developed
with
the
main
goal
of
meeting
those
two
guidelines
that
I
just
covered.
As
everyone
knows,
the
2020
census
data
showed
significant
population
shift
from
eastern
and
western
western
parts
of
the
state
to
central
and
northern
kentucky.
A
This
has
led
to
significant
population
decline
in
eastern
and
western
kentucky,
with
significant
population
growth
occurring
in
central
and
northern
kentucky.
Largely
the
drawing
of
this
map
was
dedicated
to
is
dictated
by
population
and
math.
Making
a
small
change
in
a
given
area
causes
a
ripple
effect
when
looking
at
the
state
as
a
whole.
A
The
census
data
has
shown
that
the
population
of
of
kentucky
is
four
million.
Five
hundred
thousand
this
means
divided
by
38
districts.
That
leads
the
number
that
we
we
have
been
looking
at
at
a
hundred
and
eighteen
thousand
five.
Seventy
four!
When
you
look
at
that,
we
have
five
counties
that
we
were
able
to
split
jefferson,
fayette,
kenton,
warren
and
boone,
and
those
those
counties
were
split
in
our
maps.
A
The
kentucky
supreme
court
has
given
us
guidance
on
how
the
federal
regulation
of
one
person
one
vote,
can
be
satisfied,
while
also
satisfying
the
requirements
of
the
kentucky
constitution.
This
was
pretty
much
spelled
out
in
the
fisher
versus
lrc
and
that
was
in
1992
and
fisher
versus
the
board
education
in
2012.
A
A
This
map-
that's
before
you
today
on
the
screen,
does
just
that
all
38
districts
fall
within
plus
or
minus
5
deviation
of
our
ideal
population
of
118
574
only
splitting
the
five
counties
that
mathematically
required
us
to
do
so.
So
that's
some
background
of
what
we've
been
looking
at
and
kind
of
wrestling
with
over
the
last
several
months
and
a
lot
of
staff
and
member
time
has
been
put
in
on
this.
A
D
You
are
very
familiar
with
this.
The
two
first
and
second
senate
districts
pushed
into
your
district
that
you
currently
have,
which
forces
your
district
to
move,
which
forces
other
districts
to
move
because
it
has
to
be
contiguous
and
within
a
plus
or
minus.
Five
percent
deviation
range
to
meet
the
the
parameters
that's
set
up
by
the
state
and
federal
constitutions.
D
D
Discuss
how
you
draw
constitutionally
drawn
maps
that
would
suffice
at
the
federal
level,
but
noting
that
you
had
to
meet
your
state
level
criteria
as
well.
So
when
you
look
at
this-
and
there
are
certain
things
you
look
at
and
there
is
another
portion
of
our
constitution
that
has
limited
but
untested
impact,
we
in
this
map,
drawing
as
we
did
in
2014,
I
think,
have
drawn
a
map
that
is
within
the
deviation
range
all
counties
are
contiguous,
does
not
impede
on
the
1969
voting
rights
act.
D
So
that's
the
map.
I
believe
it
meets
all
the
requirements
that
are
dictated
by
state
and
federal
law
and
is
about
as
fair
as
you
can
be
in
being
proportional
and
being
not
being
punitive
at
all
and
why
I
say
that
I
want
to
bring
this
up.
D
D
D
That's
when
a
thorn
in
the
democrat
party's
side
was
taken
from
jefferson
county
and
put
in
mcqueery
county,
and
you
can
see
that
on
the
map
or
when
john
david
preston
harvard
graduate
was
put
into
a
district
that
he
had
absolutely
no
chance
of
winning
to
silence
his
voice
against
then
appropriations
chairman
benny
ray
bailey,
so
we
haven't
done
any
of
that,
none
of
it
not
in
the
last
two
cycles,
and
I
find
it
interesting
because
I
did
see
the
letter
that
was
drafted.
D
I
don't
recall
any
types
of
outcries
from
anybody
at
that
time,
because
I
was
here
and
around
and,
as
I
said,
I
was
a
product
of
that
redistricting
that
got
rid
of
john
david
preston.
I
came
in
right
after
it,
john
david
preston
went
on
to
be
elected,
a
circuit
judge
and
a
long
tenured
circuit
judge.
I
did
not
hear
the
human
cries
from
the
individuals
who
are
now
talking
about
this
process
and
how
individuals,
basically
and
extremely
politicized
the
drawing
of
the
maps
which
we
aren't
doing.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
president,
any
questions
or
comments
from
the
members
of
our
committee
senator
schroeder,.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you,
mr
president.
You
know,
I
know
we're
referring
to
maps,
but
any
discrepancies
that
may
be
out
there.
As
far
as
looking
at
the
map
we're
referring
to
the
actual
text
of
the
precinct.
E
D
D
So
those
boundary
lines.
You
can't
really
see
on
this,
but
when
you
get
to
the,
I
think
it
is
called
maptitude.
You
can
actually
see
down
to
that
point
where
the
districts
are
distinguished.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you,
mr
president.
What
was
the
thought
process
of
taking
a
small
portion
of
kenton
campbell
and
putting
in
the
campbell
county
district
as
opposed
to
leaving
kenton
everything
in
kenton
in
one
county
until
you
had
to
split
it
at
the
bottom
and
then
leaving
that
campbell
county
intact?
It
seems
like
the
population
didn't
require
that.
D
That
is
one
of
the
theories
when
you
start
talking
about
the
population
and
the,
and
I
may
not
be
getting
the
exact
term,
but
it's
like
commonality
or
neighborhoods
that
is
so
common
in
there
that
all
you're
doing
is
driving
across
a
bridge
over
the
the
river.
I
think
it's
the
licking
river,
if
I
look
at
senator
schroeder,
the
commonality
of
the
individuals
and
the
makeup
of
those
individuals
in
the
two
areas.
G
Since
we're
talking
about
commonality,
what
is
the
thought
process
behind
eliminating
a
senator
from
fayette
county?
Oh
my
mic
is
on.
Let
me
let
me
pull
it
up
a
little
closer.
G
What's
the
thought
process
behind,
eliminating
a
senator
in
fayette
county,
for
example,
and
it
happens
in
warren
county
as
well,
and
it's
already
been
going
on
in
jefferson,
where
you
know
currently,
you
have
fayette
county
by
the
math
is
larger
than
two
senate
districts,
but
not
large
enough
for
three,
and
so,
as
we
have
now,
fayette,
12
and
13
are
dedicated
to
just
those
people,
and
now
in
this
map
you
have
situation
with
one
two,
three,
four
five
six
other
people
coming
in
around
instead
of
the
existing-
I
don't
know
two
or
so
certainly
doesn't
need
to
be
more
than
two
and
so
a
lot
of
the
more
fayette
county
population
is
possibly
not
going
to
be
overly
represented
because
their
senators
really
have
two
or
three
other
counties
and
where
they're
from
and
care
about.
D
From
a
political
standpoint,
this
has
been
an
argument
in
pulaski
and
laurel
county
for
years
in
house
districts,
and
I've
always
disagreed
with
the
rationale
that
you
want
one
district
now
you
have
because
laurel
county
used
to
have
five
state
representatives.
I
don't
know
what
the
house
district
looks
like
now,
but
it
always
had
five
and
I
thought
then
laurel
county
actually
has
more
influence
in
the
system
because
they
can
influence
five
different
races,
the
same
for
fayette.
D
D
Legal
districts,
because
you
reduce
your
options
on
how
you
can
equalize
without
splitting
counties.
That's
why
you
will
see
that
it
has
been
a
long
process
because
that's
kind
of
where
you
can
because
the
constitution-
and
it's
really
not
the
constitution,
it
is
the
federal
government
and
the
14th
amendment
about
equal
representation
that
trumps
our
section
of
the
constitution.
That
says
you
should
not
split
counties
and
that's
been
long
litigated.
That's
the
way
you
use
those
larger
counties
to
basically
basically
equalize
incoming
compliance
with
the
14th
amendment.
G
I
can
appreciate
the
effort
that
goes
into
making
these
maps,
because
I
was
curious
myself
exactly
how
it
would
go.
I
thought,
as
I
listened
to
these
different
previews
of
what
we
were
going
to
get
into
that
would
probably
all
funnel
down
to
about
one
clear
best
way
to
go
and
when
I
started
playing
on
the
map
software.
G
That
is
absolutely
not
the
experience
I
had
and
so
a
lot
of
these
different
factors,
because
when
you
have
plus
or
minus
five
percent
you're
talking
almost
12
000
person
disparities
and
that's
a
size
larger
than
a
lot
of
our
counties,
and
so
there
is
a
lot
of
space
to
play.
Once
you
get
the
first
snap
now
it
took
me
a
long
time
to
get
the
first
one
and
the
first
one
I
will
say
my
fayette
county
only
had
one
senator
and
that
bothered
me.
I
was
like
that's
not
right.
G
So
I
came
back
and
said:
I'm
going
to
make
this
happen,
so
I've
since
done,
I
think,
eight
or
nine
maps
and
all
different
versions,
some
of
most
of
which
have
two
senators
in
fayette,
the
full
six
in
jefferson,
the
full
one
in
warren,
the
full
one
in
kenton,
without
a
million
cuts
and
so
forth,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
ways
to
do
this.
Some
look
prettier
than
others
and
they
all
protect
incumbents,
even
and
they
take
in
so
many
other
factors
than
just
the
bare
minimum
of
the
law.
G
And
so
I
just
want
to
reiterate
how
important
it
is
for
us
when
we're
making
these
decisions
not
to
just
go
with
what's
the
easiest
path
or
what's
the
most
likely
path?
Well,
we're
38
people
here
in
the
senate,
who
all
have
to
come
together
to
make
decisions.
The
whole
point
of
the
people
setting
us
here
is
to
come
to
consensus
together
on
what's
best
for
the
state
as
a
whole,
and
I
feel
like
in
the
redistricting
process.
It's
divide
and
conquer.
It's
does
my
district
bother
me
personally.
G
Does
my
district
bother
my
constituents?
Well
too
bad?
My
constituents
are
totally
torn
up,
I'm
losing
a
hundred
thousand
of
them
and
in
in
all
different
directions
it,
and
so
I
feel
like
we
need
to
be
coming
together
on.
What's
the
best
policy
for
the
state,
not
what
benefits
me
or
what
benefits
my
district.
G
Only
that's
our
first
and
foremost
concern
to
follow
the
constitution
to
follow
the
laws,
what's
good
for
our
district,
but
we
represent
the
state
as
a
whole
and
nobody
has
been
talking
about
what
is
the
best
redistricting
for
the
state
as
a
whole,
and
there
are
so
many
other
factors.
I
think
we
could.
We
could
bring
into
this
discussion
besides,
just
the
bare
minimum
low
threshold
of
what
can
we
barely
get
by
with?
Thank
you,
okay,.
D
That
is
a
matter
of
opinion
and
when
looking
at
this,
when
you
think
about
what
the
bear
minimum
may
be,
it
is
just
getting
contiguous
within
the
deviation
range
and
meeting
the
1969
votings
rights
act
and
not
splitting
any
more
counties.
That
is
the
bare
minimum.
If
we
wanted-
and
I
think
we
went
well
above
that
by
engaging
this-
is
the
numerical
data
has
been
out
there.
D
There
are
certain
things
that
you
cannot
do
because
of
geographics
and
demographics,
and
one
of
them
I
can
point
out
right
off
the
bat
is
davies
county.
There
is
no
way
that
that
can
be
constructed
any
other
way.
If
we
wanted
to
do
the
bare
minimum,
that's
we
would
have
done
that
we
would
not
had
engaged
our
colleagues
from
the
democrat
minority.
D
A
Thank
you,
president
stivers.
Just
one
other
comment
that
I
failed
in
our
intro.
One
of
the
legislative
processes
here
is
kicks
in
is,
is
called
a
local
government
mandate
that
was
produced
by
lrc
and
it
was
their
decision
said
that
the
local
governments
were
affected
indeterminably
depending
on
the
maps
and
how
they
are
drawn.
So
just
want
to
point
out
that
that
legislative
process
was
was
has
taken
place,
and
I
failed
to
report
that
if
there
are
no,
no
other
questions
or
comments.
A
Chair
be
open
for
a
motion
on
senate
bill.
Two,
we
have
a
motion
from
senator
wheeler.
We
have
a
second
from
senator
alvarado.
Madam
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
H
Cast
my
vote
and
explain
yes,
man,
I'm
casting
I
vote
and
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
second
to
thank
those
who
worked
on
this
on
out
of
the
senate
leadership
offices
out.
That's
both
majority
and
minority
parties
to
the
staffers,
both
in
the
senate,
as
well
as
the
nonpartisan
staff.
This
stuff
isn't
easy
and
I
hate
losing
the
three
covington
precincts
that
had
to
leave
the
23rd
senate
district.
H
But
the
fact
is,
there's
simply
no
place
to
necessarily
push
when
you're
already
bumping
up
against
that
deviation
and
when
you
bump
against
the
border
and
you
bump
against
the
deviation
and
you
bump
against
counties
that
can't
split
there's
only
so
much
you
can
do
and
those
scenarios
exist
around
the
state
as
you
build
this
out,
so
to
our
leadership,
to
the
minority
leadership
and
to
the
staff.
I
just
want
to
say
thanks.
F
F
F
I
think
that
no
matter
who
is
in
charge,
as
president
stivers
pointed
out,
whether
it's
people
in
the
past,
whether
it's
people
in
the
present
that
the
political
pressures
are
too
great
on
the
on
partisan
people
to
to
draw
maps
in
a
way
that
a
non-partisan
group
would
to
that
end.
Normally
in
in
committee,
you
vote
to
move
things
along.
F
F
We
still
didn't
get
to
see
the
map
until
late
last
night
in
its
entirety,
and
there
are
many
people
all
over
the
commonwealth,
whether
it's
people
who
are
looking
to
run
and
put
their
careers
in
hold,
whether
it's
people
who
just
want
to
know
how
they're
going
to
be
represented
and
how
they're
going
to
be
reflected
in
their
government.
I
think
this
is
actually
a
process
that
needs
to
slow
down
right
now.
B
C
You
may
I
want
to
thank
the
staff
and
the
ones
that
worked
on
this.
They
worked
on
it
very
hard
and
as
far
as
the
partisan,
it
is
our
obligation
to
do
these
maps
and
I
don't
think
it's
for
the
legislators
legislature,
who
is
voted
on
by
the
people,
to
give
up
that
power
to
someone
else
that
partis
that
nonpartisan,
as
you
say,
entity
will
become
partisan
and
then
there
is
no
accountability
for
them,
because
they're
not
elected.
C
So
I
think
us
keeping.
This
is
absolutely
a
must.
It
is
by
constitution,
and
then
we
said
that
some
people
say
you
brought
the
maps
out
too
late
for
us
to
look
at
well.
Anyone
and
everyone
in
the
legislature
or
outside
could
bring
forth
maps
and
the
legal
women's
voters
did
that
and
I
reck-
and
I
thank
them
for
that.
We
looked
at
those.
C
If
we
had
brought
our
maps
out
early,
then
they
could
only
complain
about
our
maps
instead
of
presenting
a
map
that
we
could
look
at,
so
I
think
the
process
was
done
right.
Maybe
we
could
have
come
out
a
little
bit
earlier,
but
I
think,
coming
out
too
soon
would
have
been
a
disadvantage
to
this
process.
Thank
you.
A
G
When
I
very
first
started
running
for
this
office,
the
very
first
issue
I
knew
I
was
going
to
be
addressing
last
year
was
redistricting
and,
of
course,
the
census
data
didn't
come
in,
and
so
we
ended
up
not
addressing.
It
ended
up
in
a
one-year
budget
instead,
which
I
totally
didn't
expect
my
first
session.
G
But
this
was
my
very
first
issue.
I
started
researching
the
very
first
promise
I
made
that
I
was
going
to
be
focused
on
and
my
whole
focus
was
the
policy
around
getting
these
redistricting
maps
made.
I
felt
like
it's.
This
rushed
crazy,
partisan,
gerrymandering.
You
know
those
type
things
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
didn't
happen
and
couldn't
happen.
How
could
we
lock
this
in
better,
however,
upon
further
review,
I
couldn't
file
a
bill
last
year,
because
what
I
found
out
was
there's
not
anything
I
can
do
as
a
legislator
to
bind
my
fellow
legislators.
G
That's
my
focus
and
there
are
a
lot
of
other
things
we
can
add
in
as
well.
I
made
maps
literally
for
single
senators
throughout
my
caucus.
What
do
you
want?
What
do
you
want?
What
do
you
know
about
your
area
that
I
don't
know?
I
made
a
million
maps
for
all
these
different
things
and
found
out.
We
can
do
a
lot
of
these
things
and
even
stay
within
all
these
boundaries
that
we
need.
So
I
would
urge
that
this
process
be
looked
at
more
carefully,
that
we
all
engage
more.
G
I
Mr
chairman,
casanova
would
like
to
explain
yes,
you
may
you
know
I
want
to
commend
the
leadership
and
the
staff
for
their
efforts
in
this
process
has
been
said
many
times
today,
both
by
the
minority
floor
leader
and
other
colleagues.
I
think
it.
I
You
know
there
are
people
that
are
going
to
be
unhappy
with
this
map.
I
mean
I'm
sure
that
there's
not
a
single
legislator.
That
is
completely
happy
with
everything
that
has
been
done.
You're
never
going
to
be
able
to
live
in
the
perfect
world,
and
it's
been
said
so
often
you
can't
let
the
perfect
get
in
the
way
of
the
good,
and
I
think
these
are
good
maps
that
accomplish
what
needs
to
be
done
to
provide
adequate
representation
for
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
I
You
know,
as
for
the
league
of
women,
voters
concerns
I.
I
appreciate
that
they
participated
in
the
process,
although
I
find
it
very
convenient
that
they,
in
their
own
letters,
stated
that
they
started
looking
at
maps
in
2017,
which
was
right
after
the
republicans
got
control
of
the
general
assembly.
I
And
if
anybody
wants
a
little
bit
more
history
than
what
our
senate
president
has
given
today,
I
would
refer
them
to
a
march
17
2021
editorial
in
the
courier
journal,
written
by
my
good
friend,
bob
hellringer,
that
I
see
in
the
audience
that
talks
speaks
to
the
silence
of
the
league
of
women's
voters
due
to
indiscretion
of
democratic
legislators
and
the
legislatures
in
the
past.
I
A
A
So
I
vote
I
and
send
bill
2
passes
8
to
2
and
same
shall
move
on
to
the
senate
floor
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
senate
bill
3,
which
is
the
congressional
redistricting
maps
that
are
before
you
just
a
a
little
bit
of
comments
on
this.
A
substantial
amount
of
input
was
given
by
congressional
members
and
they've
worked
on
these,
and
our
staff
and
members
have
worked
on
this
map
as
well
and
at
this
point
I'll
yield
to
president
steivers
for
any
comments
or
remarks.
D
D
When
I
start
talking
about
this,
because
in
our
discussions,
mr
chair
and
with
senator
thayer
political
considerations
are
not
justiciable,
as
per
supreme
court
decision,
but
we
try
to
tamper
down
the
politics
because
the
map,
as
you
see
it,
was
a
map
that
basically
has
existed
for
quite
some
time
with
some
deviation
that
was
created
back.
I
think
in
1992.
D
So
this
configuration
that
you
see
was
done
by
and
again
with
deviation
by
a
democrat
house
and
a
democrat
senate
in
attempt
to
beat
hal
rogers
and
several
other
republican
congressional
members,
and
it
happened
to
backfire
because,
after
that
they
put
enough
republican
counties
into
areas
that
carol
hubbard
lost.
D
I
think
former
state
senator
prather
ran
and
lost
john
doug
hayes,
who
they
thought
was
gonna,
be
congressman,
rogers
lost,
and
so
we
have
basically
tried
to
work
off
this
map
for
the
last
30
years
with
just
minor
deviations
to
it.
D
So
that's
where
you
get
down
to
senator
schroeder's
question
that
you
actually
have
to
get
down
to
the
streets
and
drawing
the
lines
based
on
what
the
census
tract
data
shows
you
so
senator
thayer
and
I
have
had
numerous
conversations
with
all
some
parts
of
the
congressional
delegation
as
to
what
our
thoughts
were
legally
and
what
they
were
thinking
about.
Division
to
make
these
boundaries
meet,
and
it
is
a
federal
issue,
meet
the
federal
requirements
of
congressional
redistricting.
D
D
They
thought
there
was
going
to
be
a
grand
conspiracy
to
do
something
different,
which
there
was
not
so.
The
map
that
you
see
before
you
is
something
that
has
had
input
from
the
federal
delegation,
probably
minus
one,
but
I
don't
think
that
one
has
too
many
objections
to
the
map
that
is
currently
before
you.
A
C
G
Casting
a
no
vote,
the
congressional
maps-
I
understand
all
the
reasoning
behind
it,
because
I've
had
conversations
with
our
congressional
delegation
about
this,
but
this
is
really
bad.
Looking,
it
almost
looks
like
the
state
of
maryland's
historical
memorable
thing
that
we
now
call
as
a
word
in
the
dictionary
gerrymandering-
and
this
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
I
believe
we're
here
to
make
sure
doesn't
happen.
G
The
fact
that
my
constituents
are
now
going
to
be
represented
as
the
same
constituents
from
fulton
county
makes
zero
sense
to
me.
I
don't
think
it
fits
with
overarching
principles
I
feel
like.
I
should
subscribe
to
whether
or
not
the
federal
supreme
court
decides
that
it's
important
compactness
of
districts
does
matter
it
matters
for
equal
voter
access
to
the
representatives
and
not
being
300
miles
away
from
somebody.
G
There
are
ways
we
could
solve
this
problem
and
still
meet
all
of
the
criteria
that
even
the
congressional
delegation
wanted
to
do,
and
that's
why
I
made
my
twitter
post
on
the
way
into
this
meeting
with
a
little
map.
I
threw
together
at
about
two
in
the
morning
last
night
because
I
hadn't
seen
the
map
until
last
night
for
the
first
time,
and
here
we
are
voting
on
it,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
be
a
better
deliberative
body
than
that
and
that's
why
I'm
voting
now.
E
A
I
vote
I
and
senate
bill
3
passes,
8-2
8-2
and
same
shall
pass
on
to
the
senate
floor
if
there
is
no
further
business
before
us.