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A
Miss
Jessica
said
that
got
your
attention
better
than
my
voice,
so
I'm
going
with
her.
Let's
call
a
meeting
to
order
and
we're
going
to
try
to
get
through
these
so
that
we
can
get
on
with
some
other
things.
Hopefully
these
will
not
real
controversial.
So
not
like
last
time
anyway,
Mr
secretary,
will
you
please
call
the
roll
cinderberg.
B
A
All
right,
we're
gonna,
do
the
pledge
and
I
haven't
warned
him
yet,
but
brother
Mike.
Will
you
do
the
pledge
for
us
brother
Wilson?
Yes,.
A
Members
I'm
gonna
pass
around
a
sign
up
sheet.
It's
for
Major
General
Lamberton
wants
you
to
come
over
and
fly
with
them.
10
a.m
to
1,
30
p.m,
on
Monday
the
13th-
and
we
will
be
here
so
I'm
going
to
hand
it
around
and
sign
up
sheet
for
that.
A
C
The
chairman
members
of
the
committee-
it
is
a
privilege
to
be
before
you
today,
with
House
Bill
226
I'm,
also
proud
to
report
that
this
bill
has
passed
through
both
the
house
committee
and
house
floor
unanimously.
There
is
no
committee
sub
and
there
is
no
fiscal
impact.
This
is
a
very
clean
bill
that
will
simply
codify
in
State
Statute.
C
What
is
actually
practice
in
the
field
as
it
relates
to
behavioral
and
Mental
Health
crisis
response,
so
it
is
going
to
under
the
statute,
move
this
over
to
the
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services
Under,
the
Department
of
Behavioral
Health,
away
from
the
Department
of
military
Affairs.
So
we're
going
to
move
it
into
the
space
where
we
have
the
trained
and
qualified
professionals
to
administer
the
services
that
are
needed
during
a
crisis.
C
D
Sir,
what
this
does
this
bill
basically
puts
it
where
the
service
is
at
it
expedites
services
and
and
keeps
it
out
of
emergency
management
into
the
provider's
hands.
It's
more
responsive,
for
example,
where
the
London
police
officer
was
killed
here
recently
they
responded
to
that
incident
and
provided
those
Services
had
it
been
still
under
Emergency
Management.
That
response
would
not
have
taken
place,
been
your
questions.
F
Yes,
sir
I'm
sorry
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
we
have.
We
have
been
covering
the
kccrt
since
August
at
this
point,
with
a
memorandum
from
from
the
kyem,
we
had
16
responses
in
the
early
days
and
in
the
last
two
weeks
we've
had
three,
the
latest
of
which
was
in
Betsy
Lane
as
a
result
of
the
death
of
a
teacher,
so
we
were
able
to
respond
and
support
folks
as
that
school
grieved
we've.
F
Also,
as
the
general
said,
we
we've
been,
we
were
able
to
have
someone
in
London
within
three
or
four
hours
after
that
event,
and
able
to
support
the
individuals
that
were
impacted
as
well.
A
Motion
Center
Deneen
any
seconds.
A
Let's
say
second
Senator
bird,
thank
you.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
you
know
it's
pretty
well
self-explanatory
and
we
appreciate
that
Mr
secretary.
Will
you
please
call
you
got
a
question?
Center
Boswell.
I
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
increasing
the
number
of
employees
for
different
agencies,
I'm
concerned
that,
as
we
move
future
on
down
the
road
that
we're
gonna
have
some,
we
have
some
rainy
days
and,
generally
speaking,
I'm
not
really
sure
why
we're
increasing
Personnel
in
this
particular
department
and
I.
Don't
think
that
the
case
has
been
made
to
me
personally.
So
would
that
mean
more
and
more
about
this
bill
and
getting
into
it
deeper
I'm
gonna
have
to
be
I'm.
Gonna
have
to
be
a
no
vote
on
this.
C
Absolutely
so
there
will
be
no
additional
Personnel
required
to
accomplish
what's
laid
out
in
this
bill.
This
is
simply
codifying
in
the
statute.
What
is
currently
practiced
today
with
the
Personnel
that
is
in
place
today,
and
if
you
guys
would
like
to
speak
more
to
that,
we
can.
F
So
there
were,
there
were
Staffing
at
Kym
that
handle
these
these
responses
and
those
that
they
have
left
the
position.
So
those
positions
have
been
shifted.
It's
not
news
positions,
it's
just
a
shifting
from
where
they
were
located
previously
to
where
they
are
now.
D
A
Right,
Senator,
Meredith.
K
I
think
the
center
from
Dave
Beach
for
the
question
as
well
and
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
the
intended
the
bill,
but
I
do
have
that
growing.
Concern
about
the
footprint
of
government
seem
to
get
bigger.
I
appreciate
you
saying
that
those
resources
will
be
transferred
so
to
speak,
but
shouldn't
that
be
a
provision
of
the
bill
to
make
sure
that
that
funding
is
transferred.
D
Serve
that
through
reorganization
through
the
cabinet
is
what
how
that's
worked
so
initially
how
we
implemented.
This
was
through
an
MOA
agreement
between
the
two
agencies
that
they
would
provide
those
services
and
take
that
responsibility.
As,
as
previous
stated,
the
Personnel
that
were
Within
kyem
doing
that
Duty
they
went
away.
D
They
were
mental
health
workers
working
in
our
office,
not
a
not
a
ideal,
fit
put
it
where
those
folks
now
are
managed
now
those
responders
that
are
going
on
the
ground
or
volunteers
that
that
Department
of
Behavioral
Health
trains
and
in
schools
on
how
to
respond
to
those
type
disasters.
So
the
management
of
them
was
in
place
anyway.
So
the
management
now
that
Personnel
on
the
document
goes
through
the
Personnel
cabinet
and
will
be
transferred
to
them
as
a
reward
within
the
agencies.
It.
K
Will
be,
but
we've
just
gone
through
the
same
thing
with
Senate
Bill
48,
which
is
passed
down
the
house
today
and
we
did
include
the
language
as
Sir.
You
well
know
that
the
funding
will
follow
as
well
and
I'm
not
suggesting
anyone's
doing
anything
underhanded.
But
as
we
prepare
the
budget
next
year,
when
we
look
at
budget
year
to
budget
year
and
does
it
reflect
that
shifting
of
resources
to
the
appropriate
areas.
D
And
sir,
that's
that's
the
funny
thing
about
that
fund
and,
as
you
followed
it
initially,
the
funding
for
the
positions
that
was
kyiem
was
coming
to
the
cabinet
and
being
sent
over
to
kyem
to
provide
those
services.
So
the
funding
was
through
them
all
along,
so
it
just
puts
it
back
where
it
was
originally.
D
L
Oh
I
was
just
going
to
if,
if
necessary,
but
the
reorganization
plan
that
we
submit
to
the
legislative
research
commission
contains
that
information
regarding
the
transferring
of
staff
from
one
agency
to
another.
L
F
Absolutely
we
are
in
the
process
now
of
of
re-recruiting
folks
across
the
state
to
be
active
in
kccrt
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
It
had
gotten
a
little
inactive
as
we
had
gone
through
the
pandemic.
As
we,
you
know,
various
situations,
and
so
we
were
in
the
process
of
looking
at
our
volunteer
base.
Identifying
opportunities
to
recruit
into
those
specific
populations
and
faith-based
is
definitely
one
of
those
areas
that
we
are
interested
in.
We
absolutely
understand
that.
A
Promotional
got
a
motion
about
Senator,
Nanine
and
second
by
Senator
Westfield,
all
in
favor
aye
aye
any
opposed
motion
carried.
Thank
you,
sir
appreciate.
A
M
You
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee
representative,
Mark
Hart
78th
house,
district
and
I'm,
going
to
start
over
here
on
my
left
and
let
each
one
of
my
guests
introduce
themselves
for
the
record.
M
P
Good
morning,
so,
to
give
you
an
understanding
of
what
Urban,
search
and
rescue
is
first
off
right
off
the
bat
a
lot
of
times
the
name
itself.
Urban
search
and
rescue
really
has
some
some
problems
with
some
people.
The
thing
is
with
Urban
search
and
rescue,
it's
a
delineation
from
FEMA
between
Wilderness
rescue
and
residential
rescue.
That's
how
FEMA
recognizes
that.
So
Urban
is
not
necessarily
an
urban
area.
It's
a
residential
style
communities.
Things
like
that.
P
It's
not
necessarily
just
Wilderness
in
the
woods
all
right,
but
these
Urban
search
and
rescue
teams.
What
they're
designed
to
do
is
an
all
Hazard
teams
when
they
started
back
in
the
90s
early
90s,
their
main
main
function
was
building
collapse,
large
building
collapse
over
the
years
that
you
can
see
from
Oklahoma
City
from
9
11,
both
at
the
Pentagon
and
the
World
Trade
Center
at
Surfside
at
Mayfield
at
the
the
flooding
that
just
happened
this
last
summer.
These
teams
have
evolved
into
an
all
Hazard
style
team.
P
These
teams
go
across
the
nation,
the
state
and
and
do
this
type
of
work.
What
we're
trying
to
form
here
for
this
all
hazards,
team
for
Kentucky,
is
to
have
a
team
of
highly
trained
Rescuers
they're
able
to
go
and
do
these
type
of
things
so
we're
not
calling
for
outside
agencies
from
other
states
to
come
and
help
us.
O
So
when
you
look
at
the
the
United
States,
there
are
43
states
that
have
this
type
of
Team,
the
closest
team
team
or
state
without
a
team
is,
is
in
South,
Dakota
and
such
so
one
of
the
things
is
we
would
like
to
have
Kentucky
have
its
own
team,
especially
after
the
two
biggest
disasters
we've
had
with
that
we
kind
of
envisioned
10
Regional
teams,
it's
very
hard
for
us
to
hear
the
responders
to
get
to
the
western
side
of
the
state.
O
So
we
would
definitely
like
to
have
10
Regional
teams
and
those
Regional
teams
will
be
in
in
the
current
em
regions
and
then
also
having
two
larger
teams
that
are
type
one
and
a
type
three
that
follow.
The
FEMA
guidelines.
P
So
a
little
bit
of
the
excuse
me,
a
little
bit
of
the
history
of
you
saw
in
Kentucky
right
after
9
11
USC
federal
funds
were
given
to
Major
departments
like
Louisville
and
Lexington.
To
have
to
start
these
type
of
teams
in
2010
was
a
real
team
effort
amongst
all
the
bigger
cities
to
to
bring
these
type
of
teams
together.
That's
where
it
started
in
2010.
So
as
of
right
now
we
have
over
180,
especially
technical
technical,
especially
trained
technical
rescue
team
members
throughout
the
state
of
Kentucky.
P
These
are
range
from
anywhere
from
Paducah
Bowling
Green
to
Ashland
Somerset
Louisville
Lexington,
we're
really
going
everywhere
in
the
state
to
get
these
cream
of
the
crop
as
we're
looking
for
for
the
special
responders.
This
isn't
just
an
ordinary
firefighter
that
would
be
or
an
ordinary
police
officer
that
would
your
regular,
run-of-the-mill
Public,
Safety
Officer.
These
are
the
the
elite
people
that
are
a
part
of
these
teams.
These
are
the
people
that
come
together
when
the
disaster
strikes
and
and
were
the
the
responders
that
respond
to
that.
N
All
right,
yep,
Jeremy
slinker
with
Emergency
Management,
and
so
we
fully
support
the
Endeavor
of
creating
a
urban
search
and
rescue
team
at
a
Statewide
level.
We
based
that
on
not
speculation
any
longer.
Unfortunately
we've
had
a
couple.
You
know:
record-setting
Monumental,
unprecedented
name.
The
adjective
disasters
and
in
those
I
can
tell
you
that
in
each
the
tornadoes
of
December
of
2021
and
the
floods
of
July
of
2022
for
urban
search
and
rescue
teams
were
deployed
into
Kentucky.
N
So
Federal
teams
from
out
of
state
came
into
Kentucky
to
perform
rescue
operations
and
I
will
testify
as
to
that
it
would
have
been
challenging
if
they
haven't.
So
what
this
does?
It
establishes
a
team
here
in
Kentucky
under
Emergency
Management,
which
already
has
search
and
rescue
statute
39f
in
KRS,
and
so
it
it
would
just.
We
feel,
like
it's
a
great
fit
to
come
under
our
existing
39f
search
and
rescue
statute,
and
we've
made
it
clear
in
our
early
talks.
N
We
have
over
a
hundred
local
search
and
rescue
teams,
and
this
in
no
way
I
want
to
be
clear,
replaces
those
and
our
Endeavor
would
be
that
this
would
be
an
enhancement
to
those
you
know,
they're
always
going
to
be
the
key
they're,
the
first
they're,
the
less
than
in
our
response,
because
those
are
the
keys
to
those
local
communities.
So
we
have
to
take
this
great
training
and
and
and
better
equipment
and
share
with
them
and
make
sure
they're
enhanced.
N
But
then
this
gives
us
the
response
time
for
me
between
that
local
team
being
on
scene
and
a
federal
out-of-state
team,
there's
some
time
frame
in
there
that
this
team
would
be
able
to
come
in
and
feel
in
a
matter
of,
say
two
hours
or
three
hours
instead
of
six
to
twelve,
so
I
think
our
most
recent
history
has
proven
it's
needed
where
we
would
be
proud
to
help
facilitate
it.
Take
the
great
plan
that
these
subject
matter,
experts
put
into
it
work
in
the
interim
with
many
of
our
stakeholders.
N
Q
M
Well,
did
their
job
to
kind
of
give.
You
an
example
on
that.
One
of
the
goals
of
doing
this
type
of
team
for
the
for
our
state
is
to
get
more
of
a
rapid
response
that
we
had.
There
was
a
couple
situations
where
some
people
were
trapped,
hung
on
to
the
side
of
a
building
and
stuff,
and
the
first
and
the
gentleman
that
responded
down
there.
M
They
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
on
this
first
boots
on
the
ground
of
outside
agencies
that
was
able
to
get
in
to
help
the
local
Rescuers
was
about
12
hours.
We
had
some
people
we
had.
Some
deaths
occur
within
an
eight-hour
time
frame
because
we
couldn't
get
rescues
to
them.
So
this
would
be
an
effort
to
get
more
resources
and
more
responders
into
the
local
areas
to
assist
your
local,
your
local
rescue
and
First
Responders,
because
they
were
just
completely
over
taxed.
M
They
didn't
have
the
ability
to
go
get
there
soon
and
the
other
thing
that
we're
we're
wanting
to
establish
with
this
all
the
surrounding
states
of
that
come
in
and
help
us
they've
got
a
team.
If
we
ever
had
a
major,
ax
or
earthquake
on
the
Madrid
fault,
we're
not
going
to
be
right.
Now
we
kind
of
rely
on
them
teams
for
backup
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
that.
If
that
happens-
and
this
would
give
us
our
own
resource
in
the.
Q
P
Sir,
so,
for
example,
I'm
a
member
of
Ohio
Task,
Force
One,
also
but
I'm
a
firefighter
with
Lexington
fire
department.
So
whenever
a
disaster
happens,
they
do
a
a
alerting
system
for
us
and
I
get
rostered
with
Ohio
task
force.
So
I
I
am
a
member
of
election
fire
department,
but
I'm.
Also
a
member
of
another
team
and
my
department
allows
me
to
go
and.
Q
M
Good
I
do
not
like
the
word
internal.
Well,
there's
no
indeterminable,
there's
no
physical
note
with
this
bill,
because
this
bill
will
allow
us
to
establish
or
allow
Emergency
Management
to
promulgate
the
regulations,
establish
the
framework
and
create
for
lack
of
a
better
term
the
division
within
the
division.
M
To
do
this
and
they're
going
to
report
back
to
us
in
December
and
with
their
reporting
back
to
us,
they're
going
to
be
able
to
tell
us
more
accurately
how
much
money
this
is
going
to
cost
on
a
yearly
basis,
how
much
Personnel
they're
going
to
need
and
we're?
And
at
that
point
I've
been
working
with
chairman
Petrie
over
in
the
house,
a
r
committee.
We
will
have
a
funding
bill
next
year
or
it'll,
be
part
of
the
budget
bill
of
how
to
fund
this.
M
H
Kentucky
is
an
oasis,
and
it's
just
just
really
just
everybody
around
us
has
a
response
team
there's
only
if
my
account
is
correct.
There
is
only
six
states
in
the
entire
United
States
that
does
not
have
one
we're
one
of
the
six
in
light
of
the
recent
tragedies
in
Western
and
Eastern,
Kentucky
and
I
only
hope
that
we
don't
have
those
again
but
time,
matters
responding
in
a
timely
manner,
saves
lives
and
I
hate.
H
So
with
that
said,
I
appreciate
you
bringing
the
bill
and
I
look
forward
to
hearing
more
over
the
interim
and
in
next
year's
session
about
the
funding
apparatus.
I
do
have
my
concerns
about
that,
but
looking
at
the
bill,
the
way
it
is
now
I
am
in
favor
of
developing
this
framework,
because
I
believe
it's
needed
here
in
the
Commonwealth.
R
R
Of
course
we
experienced
the
tornadoes
and
per
capita.
It
didn't
seem
like
much
because
we're
third
largest
city,
but
it
was
probably
a
larger
than
people-
realized
the
loss
that
happened
there.
I
do
have
a
concern
with
creating
this.
R
Without
you
know
the
funding,
because
I
know
next
year,
like
you,
said
we're
going
to
be
requesting
money
without
an
idea
of
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
us
so
that
concerns
me
I'd
rather
see
a
full
plan
laid
out,
as
you
do
in
business
with
what
you're
expecting
to
spend
and
what
it's
going
to
cost
us.
So
to
me,
that's
a
that's
a
really
big
part,
that's
missing
in
this
legislation,
and
so
that
does
concern
me.
Although
I
agree,
you
know
with
having
a
rapid
response.
R
M
With
this
bill
passes,
we
hope
to
be
able
to
develop
by
the
accurate.
So
when
I
can
come
back
into
you
when
we're
working
on
the
budget
next
year
and
say
this
is
what
this
is
going
to
cost
right
now,
all
I'm
going
to
do
is
be
able
to
give
you
estimates,
and
so
that's
why
we
decided
to
take
this
approach.
M
And
and
it's
you
can
you
can
kind
of
look
back
at
the
way
we
did
Charter
Schools
we
put
charter
schools
in
statute
and
then
we
funded
it
with
the
funding
mechanism
come
in
a
later
date,
that's
kind
of
where
we
got
the
idea
for
this
I
understand
the
your
concern,
but
overall
we
all
know
that
the
funding's
not
there
next
year,
this
ain't
going
to
happen,
but
we've
got
to
get
the
the
figures
down
to
where
I
know
how
much
money
to
ask
for-
and
that's
that
was
my
goal.
My
intent.
S
I
actually
support
this
legislation.
I
think
you
know
you
prepare
for
the
worst
and
you
pray
for
the
best
and
that's
you
know
I
mean
coming
out
of
health
care.
That's
that's!
Just
how
I've
been
taught
I
do
have
a
question
when
we
have
other
states
send
us
their
search
and
rescue
teams.
Do
we
reimburse
them.
N
Okay,
so
the
quick
answers-
yes
now,
the
ones
that
have
deployed
into
Kentucky
and
our
last
two
disasters
were
federally
funded
search
and
rescue
teams,
so
we'll
have
a
cost
share
with
that.
It
won't
be
free,
but
the
federal
government
does
cover
75
percent
of
that
and
then
we'll
cover
the
other
25
unless
it
falls
in
the
hundred
percent
covered
30
days
so
and
a
lot
of
times
it
does
under
emergency
procedures.
But
if
we
used
our
emac
system,
the
Emergency
Management
assistance
compact
is
how
you
ask
assistants
from
other
states.
N
The
last
two
major,
the
the
eight
teams
that
came
in,
and
actually
it's
four
and
four
on
both
disasters
and
they're,
the
same
teams
of
the
surrounding
states.
They
were
the
federal
teams,
so
the
federal
we
may
have
paid
some
on
the
cost
share,
but
the
federal
Aid
paid
for
the
majority
of
that
percentage.
K
I
share,
Center,
Wilson's
concerns,
and
certainly
the
intent
of
this
is-
is
spot
on,
but
you've,
given
some
preliminary
numbers
and
it
looks
like
appropriation-
could
be
26
million.
With
ongoing
cost
of
three
men
a
year.
Will
a
general
fund
appropriation
be
the
only
source
of
funding
for
this
program.
N
Oh,
we
do
have
some
opportunities
and
in
our
empg
Grand
emergency
management,
preparedness,
Grant
and
search
and
rescue
is
a
project
under
that.
So
I
can't
tell
you
it
goes
from
year
to
year
how
much
we
would
have,
but
we
will
continue
to
have
that
project
in
that
Grant
and
there's
potentially
some
areas
that
we
could
apply
to
that
again.
The
numbers
you're
citing
is
from
our
subject
matter,
experts.
That
said,
if
there
were
no
Grant
sources,
there
were
no
other
state
resources
and
that's
where
I
think
that
number
will
be
different.
N
There
will
be
resources
in
the
state
already
that
we
can
call
on
that
will
take
away
some
of
that
as
well.
That
is
the
best
case
scenario
with
no
other
assistance,
but
we
I
think
through
the
planning
process,
we'll
really
fine
tune
that
and
hone
that
down
to
exactly
what
we
need
and
I
also
have
learned
over
my
career
to
do
this
entire
plan
that
that
figure
is
based
on
I.
N
Don't
see
that
as
a
one
or
two
year
plan
like
to
go
from
one
type,
one
team
to
a
Type,
3
and
Regional
team
I
see
that
multiple
years
and
I
would
predict
that
that
would
be
over
multiple
binium
budget
Cycles
too.
So
I
I
feel
like
without
the
proof
in
the
pudding
today,
but
I
feel
like
the
ass
next
year
would
be
much
different
than
that.
K
Well,
I
appreciate
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
here.
You
know
this
isn't
without
precedent.
I
think
we
have
a
trauma
system
that
was
established
several
years
ago
that
never
has
been
funded,
so
I
support
what
you're
tempting
to
do,
but
I
just
want
some
Assurance
I,
guess
that
this
is
not
a
promise
of
an
appropriation.
I
really
think
this
next
budget
cycle
may
be
the
most
challenging
that
at
least
I've
faced
in
my
seven
years
here,
eight
years
will
be
eight
years
next
year.
K
It's
going
to
be
a
tough
budget
with
inflation
hitting
us
and
I'm
sure.
We've
got
hundreds
of
groups
coming
to
us
right
now.
In
anticipation,
this
next
budget
said
we
need
more
money,
so
this
is
going
to
be
a
challenge
again,
not
to
dampen
the
spirit
of
this
or
in
the
tent
of
your
bill,
but
just
want
them
to
make
sure
we're
all
on
board
that
we
certainly
can't
promise
anything
at
this
point
in
time.
A
I
Mr
chairman
I
want
to
apologize
because
I
was
looking
at
the
order
of
what
we
were
going
to
discuss
today.
I
had
a
misunderstanding,
so
the
things
I
said
earlier
never
mind
my
my
concern
was
about
this
and
around
1995
I
was
a
county
commissioner
in
Davis
County
and
someone
came
to
our
court
and
asked
us
to
consider
hiring
a
part-time
EMS
person.
I
I
That
was
a
very
small
amount
out
of
our
budget
at
that
time.
What
is
the
total
State
approximate
EMS
budget
today?
I
M
Is
that
right,
I'm
gonna,
let
em
director
slinker,
address
this,
maybe
in
more
detail
but
to
my
knowledge,
there's
not
a
stadium
as
team,
so
I'm
not
I'm,
not.
M
N
Senator
I
apologize
if
I
don't
have
the
exact
number
I
just
didn't
bring
the
budget
numbers
with
me,
but
you
you
are
spot
on.
So
generally,
every
county
has
a
Emergency
Management
director
or
emergency
management
office.
Some
are
part-time,
some
are
full-time,
some
is
a
Emergency
Management
staff
and
some
is
just
one
person
that
does
multiple
County
jobs
as
well.
Some
cover
the
county,
some
cover
the
city
so
under
that
emergency
management,
preparedness
Grant
through
Kentucky,
Emergency
Management,
we
provide
them
what
the
state
gets.
N
We
provide
the
County's
50
percent
of
that
and
then
also
pay
the
workman's
comp
coverage
for
that.
So,
if
we're
say
our
grant,
that
year
was
three
million
dollars.
We
would
send
a
million
and
a
half
to
the
counties
and
then,
like
I,
said
there'd,
be
a
couple
about
a
a
150
to
200
that
would
cover
workman's
comp
for
search
and
rescue
and
other
Emergency
Management
operations.
So
we
do
cover
50
percent
of
those
local
operating
costs.
I
A
S
I
vote
I
vote.
I
I
really
appreciate
y'all
for
bringing
this
and
I
I
just
want
to
put
a
a
buzz
in
people's
ears.
I
was
at
one
point
radiation
safety
officer
for
robly,
Rex,
VA
and
I'll
be
honest.
Our
radiation
safety
response
programs
in
this
state
are
lacking
significantly,
so
I
just
want
to
remind
people
that
that's
something
for
us
to
be
working
on
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
Q
Mr,
chairman
Nick
explain
my
pass
vote
representative
heart.
It's
a
great
deal
and
I
think
it's
it's
something
we
need
to
talk
about
in
you
know,
training
and
having
well-trained
people
and
well-equipped
and
and
having
a
plan
is
very
important.
I'm
just
concerned
about
that
indeterminable
amount
of
money.
That's
that
that
bothers
me,
so
I'm
not
going
to
vote
no,
but
I
will
pass.
B
E
A
A
All
right,
representative,
Lewis.
A
T
U
J
Mr,
chairman
members,
I'm
National
legislative
director
for
all
the
state
Departments
of
Veterans
Affairs,
former
commissioner
and
I'm
here,
to
support
the
legislation
and
your
name
last
Beaver,
sir.
All.
T
Thank
you
all
for
having
us
today.
So
we
have
five
veteran
cemeteries
in
Kentucky.
One
is
in
my
district
in
Leslie,
County
Kentucky
has
what's
called
a
residency
requirement,
meaning
to
be
interred
there.
You
have
to
have
been
a
resident
of
Kentucky.
Now,
myself,
I
believe.
If
you
proudly
served
our
country,
you
should
be
able
to
be
laid
to
rest
wherever
you
want
to
be,
but
that's
not
the
reason
to
this
bill.
T
Mr
Duncan
had
reached
out
to
me
earlier
this
year
going
forward
in
the
future
if
we
do
not
remove
the
residency
requirements
so
simply
striking
out
the
word
Kentucky
we're
not
adding
anything,
just
simply
striking
out
the
word
Kentucky.
If
we
do
not
do
this,
we
will
not
be
eligible
for
federal
some
federal
funds
in
the
future.
This
would
cost
our
state
between
10
to
20
million
dollars,
and
no
one
has
reached
out
to
me
with
any
opposition
I.
Let
my
I'll
be
quiet.
R
V
Guest
Senator
Wilson,
yes,
and
no
in
2000,
we
entered
into
a
memorandum
of
understanding
and
a
memorandum
of
agreement
with
the
national
cemetery
Administration
to
build
all
five
of
our
state
veterans
cemetery.
During
that
time
they
gave
us
40.5
million
dollars
to
build
those
five
with
that
being
said,
we
follow
their
rules
on
internment,
just
like
a
national
cemetery.
So,
as
our
cemeteries
grow,
we
go
back
to
them
and
they
give
us
the
money
for
expansion
of
those
cemeteries.
V
100
percent,
fully
funded
state
of
Kentucky
doesn't
have
to
pay
a
dime
whenever,
for
example,
in
Kentucky
veterans,
cemetery
West
in
Hopkinsville
I
am
at
in
2000
pre-placed,
burial
Crypts
right
now.
That's
a
2.5
million
dollar
Grant
from
the
federal
National
Cemetery
Administration
State
Cemetery
grants
program.
They
give
us
that
money.
We
do
it
with
this
bill.
That's
going
on
now
is
the
national
cemetery.
V
Administration
in
2020
came
to
us
and
said
all
state
veterans,
cemeteries
have
to
lose
their
residency
requirement
or
they
will
lose
the
opportunity
to
get
any
more
expansion
grants
money.
So
with
that
being
said,
January
of
2025,
if
we
do
not
lose
this
by,
then
we
will
lose
all
of
that
grant
money
going
forward
and
over
the
next
10
years
we
will
be
asking
for
up
to
20
million
dollars
in
Grants.
I
have
one
Grant
going
right
now:
I
have
two
grants
going
next
year
for
seven
million
dollars.
V
V
J
Sir,
the
Veteran
Cemetery
grant
program
is
a
federal
statute
program.
The
funds
are
appropriated
every
year.
Currently,
this
FY
23,
the
federal
funds,
are
50
million
dollars.
There
are
50,
there
are
60
million
dollars
of
expansion.
Grants
already
submitted
and
Kentucky
is
one
of
them.
So
we
are
pushing
for
more
Federal
funding
in
that
program,
because
at
the
current
status
there
they
can't
build
any
new
cemeteries,
because
that's
priority
group
two,
so
this
is
great
benefit
for
the
state
of
Kentucky.
J
Fortunately,
we
established
our
five
State
cemeteries
early
and
those
states
that
didn't
are
now
sitting
waiting
to
get
Federal
grant
funds
to
build
their
cemeteries.
The
goal
behind
this
is
that
95
percent
of
all
veterans
will
be
within
75
miles
and
their
eligible
family
members
of
a
state
or
national
cemetery.
That's
the
national
goal,
and
as
chairman
of
that
advisory
committee
and
working
with
the
under
secretary
for
moral
Affairs,
that's
a
national
status
on
that.
V
U
Wilson
right
now,
Kentucky's
the
only
state
in
our
region
that
has
not
dropped
the
residency.
Two
we're
one
of
the
few
remaining
States
less
than
a
dozen
to
drop
as
well,
and
in
my
opinion,
a
veteran
is
a
veteran
many
veterans
across
the
state
that
holds
Florida
residency
is
from
Kentucky.
Their
kids
are
here.
They
may
want
their
father
or
mother
back.
So
please
take
that
in
consideration.
So
this
is
open.
It's
always
been
open
for
veterans
across
the
our
nation.
The
Residency,
just
is
just
says,
Kentucky.
R
So
if
I
was
living
outside
the
state
and
I
had
been
born
in
Kentucky
and
I,
was
a
veteran
I'd
be
eligible
to
come
back
and
be
married?
Now,
yes,
sir,
okay
and
so
the
connection
to
Kentucky.
If
they
have
family
ties
to
Kentucky
and
are
a
veteran
living
outside
they're
still
eligible
to
be
buried
here,
the.
V
Is
that
going
to
open
the
floodgates
for
people
to
come
in?
No
I
do
not
believe
so
and
here's
the
reason
why
I
say
that
sir
Kentucky
veterans
cemetery
West
in
Hopkinsville
Kentucky,
with
the
amount
of
property
that
we
have
and
the
amount
of
services
that
they
do
on
a
monthly
basis.
They
have
the
capacity
for
143
years,
so
they're
not
going
to
come
in
and
flood
our
state
and
fill
up
that
Cemetery
from
Tennessee
in
a
couple
of
weeks
and
each
one
of
our
cemeteries
are
built.
V
That
way
we
have
expansions
of
99
Acres
at
some
of
these
cemeteries
to
go
up
to
the
problem
will
be.
If
we
do
not
remove
this
and
we
cannot
get
the
federal
grants
to
move
forward
with
those
cemeteries.
Then
we
have
all
the
property
but
no
money
to
expand.
Then
we
would
have
to
come
back
to
you
guys
and
ask
you
for
7
10
12
million
dollars
to
expand
those
cemeteries
and.
U
Senator
Wilson
I'm,
sorry
for
interrupting.
We
have
the
support
of
the
joint
executive
Council
of
Veteran
organization,
the
23
24
members
that
represent
all
the
major
veterans
service
organization
in
the
state.
We
brought
in
Glenn
powers
from
the
national
cemetery
Administration
to
brief
everyone
on
this
to
understand
why
this
is
important
and,
as
you
can
see,
General
beavers
here
as
well,
that
represent
Kentucky
on
the
national
level
and
respect
it.
So,
yes,
L
is
correct.
U
We
would
not
be
overrun,
but
if
you
want
to
look
at
our
Cemetery,
if
you're
really
concerned
about
the
capacity
look
at
a
gas
tank,
you
know
e
to
F,
and
you
know
how
it's
broken
down
in
quarters
right
now
for
capacity
we're
at
75
percent,
at
best
three
quarters
of
a
tank
with
the
vehicle
still
parked
in
the
parking
lot
just
going
down
getting
ready
to
go
to
the
gas
station
one
mile
down
the
road.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
capacity,
but
we
don't
have
funding
to
expand
that.
U
So,
if
there's
a
concern
for
anybody
in
the
commit
Committee
of
being
overwhelmed,
that
is
not
the
case.
If
you're
concerned
about
Kentucky
veterans.
Here,
National
Guard
reservists
or
somebody
who
is
is
adopted,
adopted
Kentucky
in
coming
from
out
of
Louisiana.
You
will
be
buried
here.
Their
family
members
will
be
buried
here,
so
that
is,
that
is
not
a
problem.
That's
something
that'll
be
past,
my
my
daughter's
kids
generation
and
if
we
run
out,
we
can
always
either
get
donated
land
or
buy
space.
R
R
V
And
the
reason
why
that
was
Sir
was
we
lost
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
our
residential
experts.
They
quit
on
us
at
that
Cemetery
I
had
to
replace
a
a
17-year
Cemetery
manager
at
that
Cemetery,
so
my
staff
had
shrink
I
could
not
get
staff
once
I
did
get
staff.
The
number
was
sturdy.
We
had
to
cut
back
on
services
so
that
I
could
get
that
staff
up
to
speed.
I
hired
had
to
hire
more
stuff.
We've
done
that
you're,
a
the
ABR
that
we
presented
last
year.
V
We
hired
eight
caretakers
across
all
five
of
our
cemeteries
and
right
now
that
cemetery
is
less
than
10
days
for
a
service
to
get
into
that,
and
that
is
about
the
national
average,
because
the
national
average
is
the
first
72
hours
after
someone
dies.
That's
part
of
that
count,
so
we're
less
than
seven
days
for
that
and
the
problem
with
understand
what
you're
saying
about
the
money
aspect
and
the
the
individuals,
but
a
lot
of
that
came
from
the
covid
era,
because
we
lost
most
of
our
staff
at
that
cemetery.
U
And
also
sir,
we
adjusted
our
tactics
now
I'm
very
proud
of
my
guys
from
and
my
team
throughout
kdva
a
we
run,
the
numbers
we
plan,
we
strategize
I
mean
I,
have
gentlemen's
back
here.
I,
like
my
chief
of
staff
and
my
executive
director
or
veteran
services,
have
have
put
people
in
other
countries,
so
we
have
the
talent
there
and,
and
it's
and
remember
the
cemeteries
are
small
teams.
Probably
the
largest
team
is
what
10
12
at
best
L.
U
Radcliffe,
that's
the
biggest
team.
Everyone
is
is
much
smaller,
so
it's
a
small
investment
in
salaries
to
make
sure
we
get
21
million
dollars
in
the
next
10
years,
and
millions
of
dollars
of
Grants
that'll
be
put
in
contractor's
pocket,
Kentucky
and
contractors.
So
I
do
understand
the
concern
of
of
demand
and
overflow,
but
I
have
a
great
team.
We
forecast,
if
there's
a
problem
or
is
a
change.
We
will
come
to
you
with
a
plan
from
there.
Well.
R
R
R
U
I
said
veterans
or
veterans
and
we're
not
in
any
danger
of
losing
capacity.
We
have
99
years
of
capacity
at
each
of
the
cemeteries
and
it
will
not
change
anytime
soon.
Senator
Hickman.
Q
Commissioner
Allen
thank
you
for
your
service
and
you're
you're,
always
being
there
if
a
veteran
in
Kentucky
needs,
assistance
and
I
encourage
my
committee
members.
If
you
ever
have
a
veterans
issue
email,
commissioner
Allen.
Q
His
he
or
his
staff
is
on
the
issue
right
away
and
I'm
good
to
hear
we
had
an
agreement
that
I
know
last
year
we
talked
about
this
and
there
was
not
an
agreement.
One
quick
question,
though:
we
give
federal
grants
for
the
purchasing
of
ground.
What
about
operations
is
that?
Do
we
receive
anything
from
the
federal
government
for
operations?
Yes,.
V
F
S
A
Aye
no
consent,
but
we
can
I
think
we'll
get
this
through
on
the
floor.
So
thank
you
all
for
presenting.
A
U
J
W
X
W
To
be
over
here
in
the
Senate
today,
I
have
before
you
House,
Bill
153,
this
passed
out
of
the
house
earlier
this
year
on
a
bipartisan
basis,
the
concept
behind
it
behind
it's
pretty
simple.
It
says
going
forward.
You
know
no
state
tax
dollars.
State
Manpower
will
be
allocated
towards
the
enforcement
of
a
federal
firearm
ban
regulations
after
January
the
1st
2021.
A
If
you
have
a
motion,
wait
a
second
second
Senator
Williams,
all
right
I've
got
two
people:
I
won't
speak
against
it.
I'm
gonna
give
if
they're
together.
They
can
come
up
here
and
I'm
going
to
give
you
about
three
minutes.
Y
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Terry
Carter
I'm,
a
citizen
and
I
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
this
bill,
but
mainly
this
week
a
federal
judge
ruled
that
Missouri's
nullification
law,
the
so-called
Second
Amendment
preservation
Act,
is
unconstitutional.
This
is
exactly
what
is
being
presented
today
to
my
understanding,
if
you
simply
Google
the
Missouri
nullification
law
and
law
enforcement,
you
will
find
story
after
story
from
across
Missouri,
where
law
enforcement
officers
are
seeking
clarification
from
courts
and
explaining
how
it
makes
it
difficult
for
them
to
do
their
jobs.
Y
For
example,
a
November
2021
report
by
the
Kansas
City
Star
States
concerned.
Local
police
Chiefs
have
also
reacted
to
the
law
by
withdrawing
from
Partnerships
largely
unrelated
to
guns.
These
include
drug
task
forces
covering
multiple
jurisdictions
that
receive
federal
funding,
but
are
run
by
the
state.
Y
I
live
in
a
mostly
rural
County,
like
many
other
counties
in
Kentucky,
I
talked
to
my
local
police
department.
Regularly
I
have
lunch
with
them
every
month.
I
don't
see
where
this
helps.
My
community
I
don't
see
where
this
helps
make
anyone
safer.
I,
don't
see
where
this
helps
my
Police
Department,
who
I
love?
Y
They
don't
need
this,
they
need
better
pay,
they
need
more
officers,
they
need
help,
but
I
have
not
heard
a
single
thing
today
or
read
anything
in
this
bill
that
helps
them.
Please
vote
no.
Z
I'm
Chuck
Eddy
I'm,
a
citizen
I,
want
to
Second
what
Terry
Carter
said.
The
Missouri
ruling,
or
the
ruling
in
the
Missouri
bill
means
we're
going
to
spend
money
defending
this
bill
and
in
the
end
it
will
not
pro
it
will
not
survive,
because
the
supremacy
clause
means
that
what's
passed,
federally
is
going
to
supersede
what's
passed
here.
Additionally,
I
want
to
again
direct
your
attention
to
justice,
scalia's
majority
opinion
in
District
of
Columbia
versus
seller
in
2008.
Z
The
the
ruling
that
basically
says
I
can
have
guns
for
my
own
protection.
I
can
possess
them
like
most
rights.
The
Second
Amendment
right
is
not
unlimited.
It
is
not
a
right
to
keep
and
carry
any
weapon
whatsoever
in
any
manner
whatsoever
for
whatever
purpose.
For
example,
concealed
weapons
prohibitions
have
been
upheld
under
the
amendment
or
state
analogs.
Z
The
Court's
opinion
should
not
be
taken
to
cast
doubt
on
long-standing
prohibition
on
the
possession
of
firearms
by
felons
and
the
mentally
ill
or
laws.
Forbidding
the
carrying
of
firearms
in
sensitive
places
such
as
Schools
and
Government
buildings
or
laws
imposing
conditions
and
qualifications
on
the
commercial
sale
of
arms
Miller
is
holding
that
the
sorts
of
weapons
protector.
Those
in
common
use
at
the
time
find
support
in
historical
tradition
of
prohibiting
the
carrying
of
dangerous
and
unusual
weapons.
Z
Z
The
fact
of
the
matter
is
if
this,
if
these
bills
go
all
the
way
up
to
the
Supreme
Court,
there
may
be
Hope
from
some
people
that
were
the
concur
current
configuration
of
the
court
that
they
would
automatically
say,
yeah
Kentucky,
you
don't
have
to
follow
this
nasty
federal
law.
Fact
of
the
matter
is
the
Supreme.
Court
is
not
going
to
blow
up
the
Federal
Constitution
to
allow
individual
states
to
say
nah.
We
don't
want
to
follow
this.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Eddie,
I'm
gonna.
Let
him
come
back
up
representative
Murray
and
you
got
one
minute
and
then
we're
gonna
have
to
get
on
with
it
all
right.
Let
Santa
Barbara
ask
a
question
real
quick.
Yes,
sir.
S
Why,
in
this
case,
when
we
have
a
tremendous,
extraordinarily
costly
epidemic
of
gun,
violence
in
this
state,
are
you
advocating
for
more
guns,
rather
than
less?
That
seems
antithetical
to
what
we
are
doing
with
the
opioid
crisis?
And
what
honestly
we
do
with
most
medical
crises
in
this
state?
Could
you
explain
your
thought
process
on
that?
To
me,
sir.
W
W
As
far
as
this
not
protecting
or
or
like
there
is
nothing
as
far
as
gun
regulations
go
the
way.
I
see
it,
there's
nothing
from
a
federal
standpoint.
As
far
as
let's
just
talk
about
the
pistol
band,
brace,
that's
ongoing
right
now,
the
federal
government
has
determined
they.
They
have
re-examined.
An
existing
interpretation
to
make
this
firearm
accessory
illegal
without
a
single
legislative
vote
casts
they've,
just
determined
that
that
something
that
was
legal
for
years
is
now
illegal
just
through
and
it
a
reg
interpretation.
A
W
Not
going
to
solve
a
single
violent
gun,
crime
issue,
I
mean
murder's.
Already
illegal
possession
of
a
firearm
by
a
felon
is
already
illegal,
but
what
it's
going
to
stop
is
it's
going
to
stop
people
with
disabilities
or
people
like
my
wife,
who
you
know
I
frequently
have
to
be
up
here
so
she's
at
home
alone.
W
A
The
I'm
going
to
ask
Mr
secretary
Colorado
and
then
we
can
explain
our
yes
or
no
votes
all
right.
Thank
you.
S
S
000
dollars
do
the
math
on
a
bad
weekend.
In
this
state
we
can
be
spending
six,
seven,
eight
million
dollars
and
that's
not
solving
anything
that
is
just
to
fix
the
problem
that
was
already
created.
Thank
you.
Opioids
have
created
a
tremendous
problem
in
this
state
and
what
we
did
was
limit
their
access.
That
is
the
best
way
to
begin
to
solve
that
problem.
Thank.
A
S
I
A
Aye
this
passes
and
we'll
get
and
you
get
somebody
doing
on
the
floor.
Thank
you
all
right,
representative,
Whitten.
X
Q
A
A
Aye
this
passes
can't
go
on
consent.
We
will
let
you
get
somebody
to
do
it
on
the
floor.
Okay,
thank.
A
You
I
I'm,
sorry,
we
had
to
cut
it
short,
but
we
only
got
this
room
rented
till
10
o'clock
and
they're
going
to
charge
us
double
rent,
we're
going
to
try
to
have
a
meeting
next
Thursday
and
possibly
the
bills
that
will
run
next.
Thursday
will
have
their
second
reading,
and
so
that
way
we
can
present
them
on
the
floor
Thursday
and
so
that
way,
if
we've
got
four
or
five
bills,
we
need
to
pass
we'll.
A
Do
that
a
little
bit
on
the
op
yard,
and
you
know
if
we
close
the
southern
border,
the
fentanyl
thing
would
go
away
too.
So
there's
there's
political
things
in
all
this
that
goes
on,
but
fentanyl
is
one
that's
killing
us.
So
thank
you
all.