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A
A
D
C
From
the
29th
District,
thank
all
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
for
letting
me
be
here
today.
This
marijuana
bill
was
brought
to
my
attention
by
a
so
you'll.
Have
some
knowledge
of
why
I've
brought
it
a
county
attorney
brought
to
my
attention
that
the
county
he
lives
in
and
was
practiced
in
and
was
spent
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
cases
which
he
thought
shouldn't
be
there
by
having
to
hire
an
expert
when
the
defendant
who
had
been
charged
with
DUI,
went
out
and
got
an
expert
and
the
law.
C
C
Measured
and
I've
got
some
changes
in
here
because
it's
got
breath,
but
that's
going
to
get
changed
in
your
blood
system,
taken
within
cessation
of
two
hours
from
the
time
that
you're
stopped
or
checked
that
it's
presumed
that
you're
intoxicated
alcohol
presumption
is
eight
percent
many
years
ago
it
was
15,
but
it
got
dropped
to
eight
over
the
years
and
there's
no
testing
now,
except
just
they
take
your
blood
test
and
the
whole
world
knows
that
you
can
be
riding
in
a
car
and
somebody's
smoking,
marijuana
and
you're
just
inhaling
it
through
theirs.
C
It'll
show
up
in
your
system
and
it
can
stay
in
there
for
30
days.
So
so
this
bill
is
trying
to
get
something.
That's
far
both
to
the
a
public
who
may
have
be
around
somebody
smoking
or
somebody
that
smoked
it
a
month
ago
or
three
weeks
ago
and
it'll
save
the
whole
government
process,
the
court
system
and
everybody
a
lot
of
time
and
money
and
energy
that
doesn't
need
to
be
so.
It's
just
a
setting
a
standard
for
a
testing
process.
C
A
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Senator,
Turner
I'm
I'm
in
in
thinking
about
this
and
I
I'm
glad
we're
moving
in
this
direction
because
it
I
think
it's
going
to
make
the
life
of
our
Law
Enforcement
Officers
a
little
easier.
E
Many
years
ago,
when
I
was
on
the
streets
and
and
I
I
could
pretty
much
guess
what
someone's
ba
was
going
to
be
after
they
were
arrested.
We
often
talked
about
that
to
see
how
close
we
could
get
with
with
marijuana,
and
you
may
not
be
able
to
answer
this
through
through
the
studies
that
established
this
threshold.
Is
there
a
correlation
between
the?
E
Let's
just
say,
the
field
sobriety
test
that
that
this
level
is
consistent
with
the
.08
as
far
as
a
suspect's,
behavior
or
coordination,
or
you
understand
what
I'm
saying
is
that
is
0.08
very
consistent
with
the
level
the
threshold
in
this
bill
with
marijuana
in
the
in
the
person's
ability
to
function?
It's.
C
My
understanding
from
Senator
with
the
gentleman
County
attorney,
who
discussed
this
it
went
with
me
and
his
involvement
with
the
university
Professor
I
mean
you
know,
diversity,
doctor
that
comes
and
tests
for
him,
and
also
he
is
hearing
the
testimony
of
different
doctors
that
came
to
represent
defendants.
Who
was
charged
with
this
that
this
nanogram
number
is
the
it's
not
magic.
But
the
number
that's
in
line
with
the
eight
percent
for
alcohol
that
that's
the
standard
that
you're
presumed,
intoxicated
and
below
that
you
presume
not,
but.
E
But
you
don't
know
with
it
with
the
study
that
they
did
was
law
enforcement
involved
in
that
I
mean
you,
where
you
could
get
some
correlation
between
the
the
alcohol
and
the
marijuana
levels
to
to
make
sure.
That's,
that's
a
consistent
level
of
intoxication
really
I.
Don't
know
that
you
can
do
that
in
a
lab.
I.
Think
it's
more
that
you
know
in
doing
research
on
on
individuals
to
really
understand
how
it
affects
their
coordination,
their
ability
to
drive
when
you're,
looking
at
the
the
blood,
alcohol
and
then
the
marijuana
THC
whatever
it
is.
F
F
No
you're
fine
I
wanted
to
offer
something
that
might
be
responsive,
I'm,
going
to
read
an
email
that
that
came
from
the
state
police.
Just
a
couple
of
sentences
here.
Ksb
is
unaware
of
any
scientifically
established,
THC
level
that
correlates
with
impairment
to
our
knowledge.
There
are
no
objective
studies
that
provide
anything.
Conclusive
KSP
is
aware
of
subjective
studies
where
researchers
attempted
to
correlate
vehicle
crash
data
with
THC
levels.
Study
like
these
don't
directly
compare
impairment
with
a
level,
but
they
can
provide
anecdotal
information
from
which
broad
conclusions
could
be
hypothesized.
F
So
that's
where
we're
at
I
know
that
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
sponsor.
I
know
that
there
are
states
that
have
the
the
level
set
at
five.
There
are
other
states
that
have
it
set
at
two
I.
Don't
know
that
there's
any
That
Vary
between
two
or
five,
and
there
are
only
about
a
dozen,
maybe
states
that
have
a
level
at
all.
That
might
be
wrong.
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
number,
it
wasn't
a
majority
of
the
states.
But
it's
something
states
are
beginning
to
consider.
Okay,.
C
C
I
didn't
want
to
do
this
bill
unless
he
spoke
with
a
number
of
them
that
we're
involved
in
it,
and
it's
just
their
experience
that
an
officer
that
you
know
now,
if
the
subject
to
you
stop
says
that
I
spoke
marijuana
too
much
a
month
ago
or
two
weeks
ago,
he's
going
to
get
taken
to
jail
and
get
a
blood
test
to
see
that
he's
got
marijuana
system
and
there's
no
quantification
for
that.
You,
as
the
officer
have
the
right
to
go
in
testify
to
all
the
subjective
information
that
you
saw.
C
C
This
number-
and
there
are
studies
that
gives
us,
as
the
chairman
said,
difference,
and
there
are
some
states
that
have
this,
but
the
consensus
of
him
and
the
County
attorneys,
who
actually
hear
these
doctors
testifying
all
the
time
say
that
that
and
that
University
of
Kentucky
physician
who's,
real
recognized,
say
that
the
five
is
the
magic
number
just
like
80.
As
you
remember
years
ago,
when
you
were
in
officer,
15
was
the
magic
number
for
alcohol
and
it
dropped
to
eight.
C
E
In
the
different
levels
can
manifest
differently
in
different
people
in
relation
to
their
tolerance
and
how
often
they
drink
how
often
they
smoke
marijuana.
So
that's
where
the
field
sobriety
tests
become
a
determining
factor,
I
appreciate
what
you're
trying
to
do
and
that's
this
is
definitely
a
road
we
need
to
head
down.
It's
just
making
sure
that
that
is
the
proper
number
and
having
the
not
just
the
scientific
research,
but
the
the
Practical
research
and
with
law
enforcement
who
who
deal
with
these
folks
every
day
to
making
sure
it's
consistent
and.
C
G
Senator
storm
Mr
chairman
have
two
questions:
fire
away,
Senator
on
page
three
of
the
sub
lines:
14
through
17.,
it
references
a
concentration,
just
a
five.
Would
that
be
just
so.
The
people
that
are
viewing
that'd
be
five
nanograms.
Yes,.
C
G
Thinking
I
just
want
also
to
talk
to
you
about
on
page
four
beginning
at
line
27
up
through
page
five
on
line
three
that
is
consistent
with
the
alcohol
presumptions
regarding
sulfur
alcohol,
0.04
to
point
zero,
eight
someone
is
presumed
to
be
I'm.
Sorry
.04
on
alcohol,
they're
presumed
to
be
sober
correct,
and
what
this?
What
you're
saying
here
is
you're
being
consistent,
saying
if
someone
has
four
nanograms
but
less
than
five,
that
individual
is
also
Presumed
Innocent.
Is
that
accurate.
C
That's
what
the
County
attorneys
says
that
the
general
consensus
between
the
professionals-
doctors,
that
are
testifying,
that's
correct
and
that's
what
they
wanted
in
the
bill.
I.
H
C
Well,
all
artists
at
practice,
law
was
and
DUIs
where
marijuana
was
involved,
knows
that
and
heard
testimony
that
you
can
be
riding
in
a
car
with
somebody,
smoking,
marijuana
or
sitting
with
you're
going
to
have
it
in
your
system.
And
if
you
just
say
that
yeah
I
was
riding
with
somebody
that
had
marijuana
or
if
I
smoked
it
a
month
ago
or
whatever
that's.
You
will
automatically
be
arrested,
and
you
won't
know
that
you're
sober
until
the.
I
J
C
Comes
back
sometimes
it's
been
six
months
before
they
get
them
back,
so
this
is
trying
to
at
least
quantify
that
that
takes
care
of
your
children
and
everybody
else.
That's
around
somebody,
smoking
marijuana
that
they're
not
Intoxicated
by
using
the
nanogram
method.
That's
been
testified
to
by
all
these
professionals.
According
to
the
county,
attorney's
Association,
the
people
that's
been
in
touch
with
me.
A
A
F
On
the
bill-
and
we
have
adopted
this
all
right-
we
got
a
motion
from
Senator
wheeler
in
a
second
from
Senator
Berg.
Seeing
no
further
questions,
Madam
Secretary,
please
call
the
roll
Centerburg.
B
F
F
D
Thank
you
so
much
I'm,
Adrienne
Southworth
course
from
the
7th
District,
and
we
have
here
today
the
act
on
discriminatory
practices.
So
the
goal
and
focus
of
this
bill,
which
you'll
see
the
first
page,
is
essentially
all
the
definitions,
and
the
second
page
is
the
operative
language
is
to
prevent
discrimination
against
people
who
don't
necessarily
have
access
to
computers,
phones,
what
not
credit
cards
those
type
of
things.
So
we've
seen
a
few
situations
that
kind
of
highlight
what
this
is
about.
D
In
fact,
this
morning
we
just
got
word
from
the
transportation
cabinet
and
they
were
one
of
the
people
that
had
been
brought
up
as
an
issue
over
the
last
few
years.
With
these
new
driver's
license
systems
where
they
were
not
taking
anything
besides
a
credit
card
and
you
get
people
that
show
up,
they
don't
have
a
credit
card,
and
now
what
do
they
do
and
we've
seen
and
we
keep
complaining
about
the
multiple
trips
and
the
total
inconvenience
to
our
citizens
and
I.
D
F
K
I
have
a
comment
if
I'm
allowed.
Thank
you.
I
I
just
want
to
thank
the
senator
for
bringing
this.
You
know.
I
see
this
in
CDLs
and
bus
drivers
were
were
screaming
for
bus
drivers.
We
don't
have
any
bus
drivers,
yet
they've
elect
made
the
system
so
electronic
that
a
lot
of
the
older
bus
drivers
don't
have
the
means
to
process
it,
and
so
I
think
that's
just
one
area
where
this
legislation
we're
helping
to.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
it.
F
F
F
H
I
vote,
I
and
I
just
want
to
tell
you
that
last
week,
I
had
to
go
and
get
my
real
ID
renewed
and
they
literally
weren't
able
to
take
cash.
That
day,
I
looked
around
and
I
thought.
D
F
Okay
motion
for
consent
made
and
seconded
by
storm
and
Berg
all
those
in
favor,
please
vote
by
saying
aye
aye
those
opposed.
Congratulations.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right,
representative
Samara
Heaven
on
House
Bill
164,
the
inaugural
house
bill
for
the
2023
session
before
the
Senate
Judiciary
Committee.
L
L
L
So
they
brought
this
to
me
as
a
Workforce
issue.
We
have
a
really
hard
time
going
ahead
and
getting
people
to
come
to
the
jail
and
I
mean
think
about
you
got
a
three
year
difference
at
the
age
of
21.
Most
people
have
already
started
careers,
and
so
this
would
just
help
them
be
able
to
hire
people
now.
I've
just
worked
out
a
floor,
Amendment
with
Senator
Turner.
L
That
would
require
that
18
year
olds
have
a
high
school
degree
or
equivalent,
so
a
high
school
degree
or
a
GED
I'm
happy
to
help
work
on
that.
To
get
it
to
the
floor,
but
I
will
let
my
guests
say
anything
that
they
want
to
one
one
thing
I
do
want
to
notice
or
I
want
to
mention.
Is
that
this,
if
they're
18
years
old,
they're
not
allowed
to
be
around
inmates?
This
is
more
for
administrative
positions.
M
So
Workforce
is
is
a
big
topic
for
everybody
across
the
state.
Well
everywhere
pretty
much
so,
but
that's
not
just
the
only
thing
that
we
were
looking
for
currently
I
partnered
with
the
Elizabethtown
Community
College
nursing
program
to
let
their
students
do
rotations
in
our
facility,
but
unfortunately,
when
they
graduate
the
ones
that
are
that
have
come
straight
out
of
high
school
into
that
program
are
not
going
to
be
21
when
they
graduate.
M
M
So
what
we're
left
with
are
the
24
and
25
year
olds
that
are
having
a
difficulty
holding
down
a
job
or
might
have
a
substance
problem
that
we
have
to
work
with
or
or
try
to
help
with,
and
that's
not
in
every
case,
but
that's
a
lot
of
what
we
have.
So
you
know
if
they
don't
go
to
college
once
they
graduate
high
school,
they
typically
go
into
a
career.
The
good
Workforce
goes
into
a
career,
and
then
we
don't
get
those
guys
back.
We
don't
get
access
to
them.
M
So
for
my
facility
we
can
unplug
these
18
year
old,
young
adults
in
an
office
area
to
be
mostly
support
or
clerical
work.
But
while
they're
there
between
the
age
of
18
and
21,
we
can
train
them
to
be
Deputy
jailers
so
that
when
they
do
turn
21,
hopefully
we've
got
them
rooted
into
our
facility
and
in
our
system
and
they'll
stay
with
us
and
they'll
be
fully
trained
at
that
time.
M
F
K
Comment
if
I
may
Mr
chairman,
yes,
sir.
Thank
you
first
of
all
welcome
jailers,
and
this
is
an
excellent
piece
of
legislation.
As
a
former
Jailer
former
president,
Association
I
have
a
special
place
in
my
heart
for
jailers,
but
I.
Don't
really
think
it
goes
far
enough
and
we'll
work
on
that
next
session.
There's
no
reason
why
an
18
year
old,
you
know,
can
go
to
war
for
our
country,
but
can't
work
in
a
jail.
K
It's
the
individual
person
that
you
know
you
evaluate
to
see
if
they're
going
to
work
out
and
the
other
thing
is,
if
there's
an
emergency,
it's
all
hands
on
deck,
and
you
can't
have.
Oh,
you
can't
have
you
know
certain
employees
not
having
prisoner
contact
I,
don't
think
that's
practical,
but
but
it's
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
So
thank
you,
representative
for
bringing
it.
G
G
C
Vote
Yes,
sir.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I,
also
vote
I
and
am
pleased
that
this
bill
is
look
as
is
but
I'll
work
with
her
to
get
these
little
amendments
done
and
get
this
thing
on
through
because
it's
an
excellent
Bill.
My
jailer's
done
told
me
so.
A
Yes,
sir
also
great
some
excellent
place
of
legislation
and
I
would
also
agree
with
my
my
colleagues,
Senator
Turner,
Senator
schickel.
You
know
I,
think
of
you
know
floor
Amendment
may
be
in
order
to
to
allow
you
know
the
18
year
olds
to
serve
at
all
capacities.
I
mean
I.
Don't
see
any
reason
why
we
should
discriminate
merely
based
on
age
I
mean
it
really
does
come
down
to
the
person
in
training.
So,
but
you
know
it's,
a
good
piece
of
legislation
takes
us
in
the
right
direction.
F
Vote
I
bill
passes
unanimously,
got
a
motion
for
consent
from.
L
L
Senator
Westerfield,
would
you
mind
to
to
let
my
guest
indulge
himself
to
please
just
to
talk
about
the
18
year
old
being
in
any
part
of
the
jail
absolutely.
I
It's
okay,
oh
Senator,
schickel
and
Senator
wheeler
touched
on
it,
but
you
know
right
now,
in
the
state
of
Kentucky,
Department
of
Corrections
can
hire
somebody
working
the
prison
at
18
and
the
difference
is
it's
sworn
and
unsworn.
You
know,
like
I
said
we
talked
about
it
before
about
this
day
and
age.
When
you
can
work
on
a
nuclear
submarine,
you
can
do
that
stuff.
I
It
shouldn't
be
the
reason
that
somebody
shouldn't
be
able
to
work
in
a
county
clipboard
to
the
jail
so
but
I
appreciate
y'all
hearing
this
and
it's
a
it's
a
big
push
in
the
right
direction,
especially
with
all
the
economic
boom
we've
been
having
it's
gonna,
be
even
harder
to
get
more
and
more
people
and
in
the
course
of
the
time
when
we
were
able
to
train
people
and
we're
going
to
go
on
to
work
as
a
sheriff's,
deputy
or
police
officer,
they'll
get
a
whole
lot
more
compassion
in
their
heart
and
everything
else,
and
they
see
what
happens
in
the
in
the
end
game
and
stuff.
F
E
You
Mr
chairman,
so
in
Doc,
it's
you
all
are
basically
structuring
this.
This
way
doc
operates.
Those
18
year
olds
cannot
complete
the
full
function
of
a
prison
guard.
Well,.
I
In
ndoc's
standards,
they're
able
to
actually
work
as
a
prison
guard
with
the
statute,
the
way
it's
set
up
now
you
know
sworn
and
honest
one,
so
Deputy
jailers
are
sworn
that
are
sworn
deputy
jailers,
so
they'd
have
different
restrictions.
Unless
there's
an
amendment,
my
ABA,
yes,
I
mean
they'd,
be
able
to
work
inside
the
walls
and
and
do
all
that
stuff
too.
Okay,
all.
L
Thank
you
I
greatly
appreciate
the
Senate
and
I
know
that
senate
floor
leader
Thayer
is
watching
currently,
and
so
my
apologies
that
I
made
any
comment
about
the
Senate
being
a
lower
body.
I.
F
You
thank
you
all
right.
I
do
want
to
ask
our
guests
and
listen
y'all.
This
is
no
one's
fault,
but
mine
I
know
we're
done
with
the
bills,
but
I
want
to
give
them
an
audience
if
they're
still
in
the
room,
Mark,
calden
and
Destiny
pet
it
from
their
respective
organizations
normal
and
Community
forward.
F
They
both
wanted
to
speak.
I
presume
I
know
one
wanted
to
speak
on
on
the
metal.
The
marijuana
bill
228
at
the
other,
might
wanted
to
have
spoken
on
that
same
build
that
didn't
indicate
which
bill
but
I
want
to
make
sure
they've
got
a
chance
to
speak
and
I'm.
Sorry,
I
didn't
call
you
up.
It
was
sitting
right
here
next
to
me
and
I.
Didn't
I,
didn't
see
it
and
remember
and
call
you
up,
but
I
wanted
you
to
have
the
Forum
to
speak
and
share
your
thoughts
on
this.
J
J
It
I
will
do
so
later.
I
wanted
to
bring
two
points
that
I
think
are
important
here
on
this
bill
in
particular,
and
one
thing
is,
marijuana
is
not
alcohol
and
to
bring
that
correlation
is,
is
sophomoric
now,
if
you
look
at
the
National
Institute
of
Justice
I,
have
it
pulled
up
right
here?
J
They
have
a
post
from
April
5th,
2021
field.
Sobriety
tests
and
THC
levels
are
unreliable
indicators
of
marijuana,
intoxication
it's
unreliable
and
for
for
a
person
to
be
faced
with
the
potential
of
five
years
imprisonment
over
THC
levels
that
may
have
been
in
the
body
days
or
weeks
before
being
pulled
over
is
wrong
and
there's
right
and
there's
wrong
and
right
will
win.
A
So
exactly,
how
would
you
propose
that
you
test
people
that
are
smoking,
marijuana
and
driving
down
the
road
if
you
can't
use
either
scientific
testing
or.
J
I,
don't
think
that
this
is
the
answer.
Okay,
I,
don't
think
this
is
the
answer.
I
think
there
are
potentially
other
answers,
but
I
do
believe
that
this
test
has
been
proven
to
be
an
unreliable
indicator,
and
this
bill,
in
my
opinion,
is
unjust
and
should
be
stopped
immediately.
F
N
To
speak,
thank
you
I'm.
Obviously,
Destiny
I
have
AC
for
non-profit
called
Community
forward
and
we
do
Progressive
policy
education,
including
the
legalization
of
marijuana.
N
The
National
Institute
of
Justice,
which
is
part
of
the
Department
of
Justice,
has
already
studied
this
April
5th
2021.
The
report
was
issued.
Finding
that
build
sobriety
tests
and
THC
levels
of
intoxicated
persons
are
holy.
Inaccurate.
The
Massachusetts
highest
court
has
also
adopted
that
and
said
that
police
officers
cannot
testify
unless
they
are
actual
experts
in
marijuana,
the
effects
that
it
has
on
the
human
body,
so
that
is
actually
problematic
for
our
police
officers
and
not
at
all
helpful
this
bill.
N
It
confuses
me
really
because,
while
we
have
lack
of
funding
for
public
education,
lack
of
funding
for
mental
health
awareness
and
addiction,
our
student
counselors
are
450
to
1,
as
opposed
to
the
recommended
250
to
one
that
our
state
report
says
and
we're
trying
to
force
bills
through
that
are
already
proven
inaccurate
by
the
federal
government.
F
N
To
learn,
but
in
passing
a
bill
like
this,
you
also
open,
like
I,
have
social
anxiety.
I
do
a
lot
of
literature
and
research,
but
for
me
to
speak
to
you
all
here,
like
I'm,
shaking
like
a
leaf
I'm,
also
a
member
of
freeway
and
an
activist
in
Louisville,
so
for
me
to
get
pulled
over
by
the
police,
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
for
you
to
get
pulled
over
by
the
police.
You
know
with
my
anxiety
that
automatically
is
gonna
that
cop's
gonna
be
like
what's
wrong
with
her.
N
Was
then
she's
under
the
influence
I'm
going
to
take
her
to
a
blood
test
and
see
whether
she's,
impaired
or
not?
That
opens
up
more
more
problems
for
the
judicial
Judicial
System.
That's
already,
you
know
broken
under
the
weight
of
marijuana
legislation.
I
mean
our
our
prisons
are
full
of
people
that
just
had
a
little
weed
two
or
three
times
you
know
so
I
mean
I'm,
not
a
scientist.
N
I'm,
not
a
doctor,
but
I
know
that
just
kind
of
giving
police
officers
the
freedom
to
say
oh,
she
might
be
under
the
influence
I'm
taking
you.
You
know
off
for
a
blood
test
and
using
inaccurate
field
sobriety
tests
to
prove
that
you
have
the
grounds
to
do.
That
is
not
where
you
start
figuring
it
out.
You
don't
start
figuring
it
out
where
it's
already
broken,
or
it's
already
proven
wrong.
I.