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A
Good
morning,
we'll
call
the
fifth
meeting
of
the
House
Education
committee
to
order
as
scholar,
members
and
guests
to
please
silence
your
cell
phones.
I
would
advise
any
of
our
guests
in
the
crowd
that
if
you
would
like
to
speak
on
any
of
the
bills
being
considered
today,
there
is
a
sign
up
sheet
in
the
back
and
I
will
state
that
additional
testimony
is
at
the
cherished
discretion
based
on
our
time
restraints
and
the
information
already
presented,
and
as
always,
there
are
no
signs
permitted
in
the
committee
rooms.
B
Josh
Callaway,
yes,
chairman,
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
speak
for
just
a
minute
this
morning.
Just
wanted
to
introduce
I,
have
my
son
and
his
friend
Ellison
Jay
Callaway
and
Ellis
and
Bryson
with
us
this
morning,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
them
welcome.
Okay,.
A
A
Would
like
to
remind
everyone
that,
as
practice
that
I
established
all
everyone
presenting
testimony
will
be
administered
in
oath
this
morning
and
the
First
on
our
agenda
today
is
Senate
Bill,
49
Senator
Dineen
an
act
relating
to
Alternative
teacher
certification.
So
please
come
forward,
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
Senator
and
then
I
will
administer
the
oath.
A
G
I
would
like
to
first
of
all
thank.
G
We
had
a
meeting
earlier
in
the
session
and
I
also
would
like
to
thank
representative
Marion
dossett,
who
brought
the
committee
sub.
It
actually
strengthens
the
bill
by
expanding
what
my
intentions
were
to
another
group
of
emergency
certified
teachers.
So
it's
a
it's
a
really
a
fine
addition.
A
G
You
Mr
chairman
Senate,
Bill
49
is
a
what
looks
to
appear
on
its
surface
as
a
small
bill,
but
it
has
a
huge
impact.
It
has
a
ripple
effect
in
every
one
of
your
districts
across
the
Commonwealth.
There
are
teachers
that
will
be
impacted
in
your
District
Senate
Bill
49
addresses
an
alternative
certification
time
frame
for
those
that
are
coming
into
education,
maybe
from
the
private
sector
or
wanting
to
maybe
they've
had
a
bachelor's
degree
in
a
different
area
other
than
education.
G
A
A
A
A
A
H
What
you
have
before
you
is
the
renewal
of
a
three-year
pilot
program
for
professional
development.
Imagine
situation
where
we
have
an
ATC
welding
instructor,
a
chemistry
teacher
and
a
math
teacher
that
like
to
coordinate
some
curriculum
together,
but
they
have
to
carve
time
out
of
the
school
day.
This
creates
an
opportunity
for
each
district
to
customize
professional
development
learning
situation
where
those
PD
days
at
the
start
of
the
Year
could
be
used
to
coordinate
curriculum
like
I'm
talking
about
it's
the
renewal
of
the
program
that
we
first
instituted
in
2018
but
covet
interrupted.
A
I
F
A
A
Okay,
now,
oh
there
is
Senator
Carpenter,
it's
good
to
see
you
here.
We
will
take
up
Senate
bill
54.
A
J
J
Right
I
do
the
Senate
Bill
54
is
a
simple
bill
that
would
allow
students
to
use
their
keys
dollars
as
a
PR
at
a
proprietary,
educational
institution
and
I'll
go
over
some
of
those
institutions,
but
one
of
the
ones
that
we
talk
about
as
a
guy
who
understands
early
mornings
in
the
farming
world
in
the
construction.
World
Mr
chairman
this.
This
really
kind
of
got
focused
to
me
because
of
the
construction
industry.
J
There's
such
a
need
to
have
good
Workforce
in
in
that
industry,
and
so
this
bill
allows
money
to
be
used
for
proprietary
schools,
like
our
building
institutes.
Cdl
license
the
top
five
job
categories.
Agriculture
is
one
of
those
Mr
chairman
and
the
other
top
five
Workforce
sectors
includes
Health
Care,
Advanced,
manufacturing
transportation
and
Logistics
Business,
Services,
I.T
and
construction.
One
of
the
agriculture
issues
is
farriers,
as
many
people
may
know
that
that's
a
program
in
Madison
County.
We
actually
have
a
fair
year
program,
so
this
this.
J
A
Motion
on
the
bill
before
we
do
that
there
is
a
committee
sub
to
be
presented.
Okay,
they
have
a
motion
on
the
sub
in
a
second
Senator.
Would
you
like
me
to
share
about
sub?
Please
go
ahead,
the
primary
health
substitute
sub
to
Senate
bill
54..
It
adds
two
things
to
Senate
bill
54.
on
our
March.
Excuse
me
on
our
February
14th
meeting,
we
heard
House
Bill
133
from
Representative
Steve
bratcher.
That
would
include
programs
like
the
Workforce
Solution
programs
that
are
not
credit
bearing
those
students
would
be
eligible
for
Keys.
A
It
adds
House
Bill
133
into
this
bill.
There
is
one
other
section
that
is
added
is
for
an
art
and
design
school
if
they
are
in
the
process
of
seeking
accreditation.
There's
a
provision
in
here
those
students
wouldn't
be
eligible
for
Keys
dollars
as
well
through
this
program.
Any
questions
on
the
sub.
A
B
E
A
L
E
M
A
A
N
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
and
members
of
committee
for
allowing
me
to
present
today
and
on
House
Bill
547
in
2015
football
coach,
Joe
Kennedy
of
the
Bremerton
High
School
in
Washington
state,
was
fired
for
expressing
his
first
amendment
right
of
praying
after
a
football
game
that
his
team
had
participated
in
because
of
his
prayer.
After
the
game
he
was,
he
was
fired
by
the
school
district
and
the
lawsuit
was
filed
by
Mr
Kennedy
in
the
case
eventually
ended
up
before
this.
N
The
United
States
Supreme
Court
in
June
2020
of
22,
the
Supreme
Court
in
the
63
ruling
sided
with
Coach
Kennedy
in
his
First
Amendment
right
to
Religious
Freedom
Supreme
Court
Justice,
Neil
Gorsuch
wrote
in
an
opinion.
Respect
for
Religious
Freedom
Expressions
is
indispensable
to
live
in
a
to
life
in
a
free
and
diverse
Republic,
whether
those
expressions
take
place
in
the
sanctuary
or
on
a
ball
field
and
whether
they
manifest
through
the
spoken
word
or
a
bowed
head.
N
House
Bill
547
is
a
bill
that
protects
the
faculty
and
staff
religious
freedom
in
the
public
schools.
It
it
ensures
The
Faculty
that
they
have
a
right
to
express
their
faith.
They
may
sponsor
religious
activities,
Student
Activities
they're,
protected
from
coercion
and
threats
by
government
officials.
N
A
A
A
O
Yes,
as
I
said,
my
name
is
Donnie
Wilkerson
I'm,
a
public
school
teacher
from
Jamestown,
Kentucky
and
I,
hear
it
represent
no
one
other
than
myself
today.
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
folks.
Do
share
share
my
opinions,
but
my
opinions
are:
are
my
own
today
I
come
in
support
of
House
Bill
547.,
more
importantly,
in
support
of
the
First
Amendment.
P
O
Proudly,
carry
in
my
pocket,
Mark
well-worn
copy
of
the
Constitution,
and
we
share
this
with
students
every
day.
In
fact,
we
just
embarked
on
our
study
of
the
Constitution
yesterday
and
my
substitute
teacher
today
has
a
a
long
list
of
things
to
talk
about
the
Constitution.
So
we
love
the
First,
Amendment
and
I'm
happy
to
see
that
my
Christian
friends
now
will
be
able
to
proudly
display
the
Ten
Commandments
on
their
desk.
O
If
they
so
choose,
they
can
sponsor
clubs
of
their
choice
and
encourage
students
to
participate,
but
I
also
I'm
glad
to
see
52
sponsors
of
a
bill
that
will
confirm
and
codify
the
First
Amendment
into
Kentucky
law.
O
O
I
think
this
this
bill
will
codify
and
affirm
all
of
those
things
and
consequently
will
help
negate
some
of
the
homophobic
genderphobic
and
even
racist
rhetoric.
That
appears
in
so
many
of
the
other
bills
that
have
that
are
emanating
from
and
emanated
from
last
session,
this
honorable
body
so
I'm,
proud
to
see
the
First
Amendment
now
codified
and
and
to
that
end
and
I
know.
O
Time
is
short
to
that
end
and
with
that
hope
that
those
rights
will
be
honored
that
now
those
teachers
who
wish
to
address
students
with
the
pronoun
that
those
students
and
parents
so
deserve
will
be
allowed
to.
So,
hopefully,
this
bill
and
with
52
sponsors.
It's
it's
a
shoe
and
it's
already
it's
basically
law.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
testimony.
Mr
Wilkerson.
We
also
have
signed
up
to
speak
Kate
Miller
and
they
see
you
there's
Kate
over
there.
Q
A
Q
Do
please
proceed.
Thank
you,
chairman
Tipton,
and
members
of
the
education
committee.
As
I
said,
my
name
is
Kate.
Miller
I'm,
with
the
ACLU
of
Kentucky
and
I,
will
keep
my
comments
very
very
brief.
I
hadn't
had
an
opportunity
to
talk
to
the
sponsor
the
bill
representative
Fugate
yet,
and
just
briefly
talk
to
him
this
morning.
I
think
that,
of
course,
we
are
familiar
with
the
United
States
Supreme
Court
case
regarding
Kennedy
B,
Bremerton,
School,
District
I,
believe
and
understand
why
the
Kentucky
General
Assembly
would
want
to
take
advantage
of
this
opportunity.
Q
Those
were
very
specific
circumstances
and
the
Supreme
Court
decision
explained
that
it
was
in
part
because
of
those
very
specific
circumstances
related
to
privacy
and
personal
actions
taken
by
the
coach
and
this
proposal
before
you
is
far
broader
and
we
think
introduces
a
gray
area
where
school
districts
could
potentially
see
increased
litigation
as
a
result
of
students
or
families.
You
know
having
House
Bill
547
as
Kentucky
state
law
and
then,
of
course,
having
a
different
set
of
rules
under
the
United
States
and
Kentucky
Constitution,
as
described
in
the
decision.
Q
So
we
hope
that
the
Kentucky
General
Assembly
would
consider
amending
the
legislation
to
be
more
specifically
in
line
with
the
Supreme
Court
decision,
and
that
is
all
I'm
testifying
to
today.
So
and
I
will
hopefully
be
able
to
talk
further
with
the
sponsor
about
the
opportunity
to
update
the
the
bill
language.
Thank.
A
I
Yes,
thank
you.
So
my
question
is:
do
we
have
any
examples
of
concerns
regarding
this
issue
in
Kentucky,
so
I
mean
I,
know
I've
had
conversations
about
religion
with
colleagues
in
my
school
building
we
have
a
fellowship
of
Christian
athletes
group.
Why
do
we
need
this
legislation
and
why
isn't
it
already
covered
with
the
First
Amendment
and
our
constitution?
Well,.
N
Thank
you
for
the
question
truthfully.
We
should
not
have
to
have
this
legislation,
but
because
of
outside
groups
that
come
from
out
of
state
atheist
groups,
that
would
protest
prayer
before
a
football
game
or
a
teacher
being
involved
in
a
club.
That
would
perhaps
me
maybe
a
Bible
Club
because
of
all
those
outside
of
Kentucky
attacks.
N
I
hope
that
this
bill
shows
that
the
teachers
in
Kentucky
are
supported
by
not
only
the
Kentucky
General
Assembly,
but
the
Supreme
Court
of
the
United
States.
And
you
know
it
was
a
sad
day
in
America
when
the
Bible
was
taken
out
of
schools.
N
The
very
the
very
first
book
that
taught
our
kids,
how
to
read
was
the
Bible
and
so
that
this
is
a
piece
of
legislation
that
hopefully
will
embolden
those
Christian
teachers
who
are
not
ashamed
of
their
faith,
but
sometimes
out
of
fear,
do
not
say
anything
about
their
faith
or
hold
prayer
meetings
with
other
teachers.
Hopefully
this
will
help
them
to
understand
that
this
bill
is
there
to
protect
their
rights.
R
Chairman
and
I
guess
I'm
just
having
a
little
trouble
wrapping
my
head
around.
Why
we
need
a
Kentucky
state
law
to
codify
the
U.S
Constitution
I.
Can
you
just
help
me
understand
that.
N
Yes,
ma'am.
Thank
you
for
the
question,
but
really
it's
the
same
answer
as
the
last.
We
shouldn't
have
to
have
this
bill,
but
because
the
United
States
Constitution
is
attacked
by
again
outside
groups
from
Kentucky.
We
need
this
in
Kentucky
just
to
show
those
not
just
teachers,
but
the
faculty
and
staff
and
the
coaches
that
we
are
aware
of
the
attacks,
and
we
want
them
to
know
that
the
state
legislature
is
on
their
side
being
able
to
speak
of
their
faith.
A
F
D
I
explain
my
vote.
Mr
chairman
proceed.
Thank
you,
sir,
and
thank
you
representative,
Fugate
I
know
you
have
your
heart
in
the
right
place
and
and
I
appreciate
that
my
concern
I
I'm,
just
afraid.
We're
headed
down
a
slippery
slope
if
we're
not
very,
very
careful,
I
know
in
Warren
County
we
have
90
different
nationalities,
so
I
can
only
imagine
how
many
different
religions
we
have
representing
those
90
different
nationalities.
D
You
know
I
spent
32
years
in
education
as
a
teacher
and
a
coach
last
five
years,
I
spent
on
Warren
County,
School
Board,
so
37
years
in
education
and
our
job
was
always
to
teach.
Our
job
was
always
to
educate
our
students,
Reading
Writing
arithmetic,
those
types
of
things
and
I
just
worry,
sometimes,
if
we're
going
to
give
our
teachers
and
our
schools
and
our
Educators
so
many
different
things
that
they
have
to
keep
up
with
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
have
a
shortage
of
Educators
in
the
state
of
Kentucky.
D
So
again,
I
want
us
to
be
careful,
I
know
in
rural
Kentucky.
You
know
this
is
probably
going
to
be
a
it's
going
to
be
a
hit
in
other
parts
of
Kentucky.
It
may
be
a
challenge
for
those
in
in
the
education
field,
I'm
going
to
vote
Yes
to
get
it
out
of
committee,
but
I
think
it
is
a
slippery
slope,
as
I
said
that
we
need
to
be
careful.
M
Explain
my
vote
for
C.
Thank
you,
chairman
I'm,
a
yes
today,
but
I
do
believe
that,
as
we
are
looking
the
the
lady
from
the
ACLU
said
she
pointed
out,
you
know,
there's
there
are
things
that
are
going
to
go
before
courts
and
you
know
The
Establishment
Clause
is
something
that's
been
part
of.
You
know,
American
history
for
forever
and
I
think
that
the
the
tone
and
I
think
the
theme
of
the
country
right
now
is
to
take
a
look
at
that
again
and
to
see
how
that
fits.
M
You
know,
representative,
you
know
you
talk
to
me
about
about
the
coach
in
particular
and
as
a
former
coach,
you
know
I
really
identified
with
a
lot
of
that
and
as
a
coach
you
know,
Faith
was
my
driving
force
with
what
I
did
and
the
path
I've
taken
and
I
would
see.
Students
who
would
break
off
into
prayer
groups
and
I'd
see
other
students
who
wouldn't
even
be
of
that
religious
affiliation
support
them
go
over
join
with
them
put
their
arms
around
them
out
of
a
sign
of
support
and
I.
M
Think
that
one
of
the
things
that
is
really
important
about
today
and
and
we
as
adults,
I
think
sometimes
are-
are
forgetting
that
our
young
people
are
very
strong
and
they're
very
resilient
with
their
beliefs
either
for
whatever
and
I.
Don't
think
that
there
are
issues
quite
as
contagious
as
we're
making
them
out
to
be
as
adults
and
and
I
think
that
we
should
allow
our
our
kids
to
be
in
their
spaces
and
I
think
that
we
should
allow
our
teachers
to
be
in
their
spaces.
So
that's
why
I'm
proudly
yesterday.
C
C
F
R
I'd
like
to
explain
my
vote
proceed.
Thank
you.
I
I
appreciate
the
intention.
I
guess
I
just
have
too
much
respect
for
the
U.S
Constitution
and
for
the
Kentucky
Constitution
that
we're
sworn
to
uphold.
To
think
that
we
need
to
shore
it
up
with
the
state
law.
So
I
see
this
as
redundant
and
unnecessary
and
I'm
going
to
be
a
no
today
chair.
C
F
A
A
A
A
A
Thank
you
any
others.
Seeing
none
representative
nemes,
please
proceed.
Have
you
all
introduced
yourself
for
the
record
that
I'll
administer
the
oath.
S
P
You
Mr
chairman,
the
Kentucky
College
of
Art
and
Design
is
a
wonderful
place.
It's
been
around
for
just
a
few
years
and
it
has
already
paid
dividends
to
our
Commonwealth,
not
only
for
the
students
but
but
to
our
communities.
If
you
have
an
opportunity
to
come
over
the
over
the
summer,
please
come
to
the
the
campus.
It's
a
beautiful
campus.
P
It's
got
a
lot
of
wonderful
kids,
doing
it,
students,
I,
guess
adults,
not
kids,
doing
great
things,
and
so
without
me,
saying
more
I
think
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
miss
Payne
who's,
the
head
of
the
school
and
she
can
really
close
the
deal.
S
You
thank
you
is
that
better.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
everyone
for
allowing
me
to
come
today
and
introduce
Kentucky
College
of
Art
and
Design
we're
a
small
College,
making
good
Headway
here
in
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky
and
we're
here
today
to
look
for
your
support.
S
We
have
actually
been
on
the
ground
for
14
years,
we're
licensed
by
the
council
and
post-secondary
education
and
are
currently
in
the
process
of
applying
for
accreditation.
We've
done
really
well.
We've
been
quietly
busily
building
quite
an
important
little
College,
which
I
think
will
add
to
your
folio
of
educational
opportunities
for
young
creative
people
here
in
the
Commonwealth.