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B
C
A
Present
so
we
are
duly
constituted
everyone
remember
this
turn
your
cell
phones
to
evaporate
those
of
you
in
the
room
and
online
make
sure
that
you
are
appropriately
audible
and
if
you're,
not
in
the
room,
put
yourself
on
mute
for
now
for
those
attending
out
in
the
audience.
We
don't
have
many
people,
but
we
do
have
a
guest,
apparently
representative,
decker.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
have
two
guests
here
today:
two
constituents
of
mine.
We,
if
you
all,
will
stand
up
and
we'd
like
to
welcome
you.
It's
denise
reynolds.
She
is
an
exceptional
child
educator
in
learning
through
internship
program
at
the
big
picture
academy,
which
is
part
of
the
shelby
county
public
school
system
and
one
of
her
students,
hiromi
ramos,
we're
going
to
see
her
quite
a
bit
around
here
this
term
and
she
will
be
my
page
at
some
portion.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
welcome.
A
F
Is
yours?
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
The
resolution
is
it's
a
simple
resolution,
but
what
it
does
it?
It
allows
the
12
months
of
the
year
for
declaration
of
independence
and
the
constitution
in
kentucky
constitution,
and
then
the
bill
of
rights
to
be
celebrated
each
month.
Part
is
an
education
course
for
the
citizens
of
kentucky
and
allow
us,
as
the
general
assembly,
to
highlight
the
bill
of
rights
and
our
constitution
declaration
of
independence.
Mr
chairman,.
A
We
we
have
a
motion
on
the
bill
and
a
second
by
representative
d.j
johnson
motion
was
by
representative
tipton
any
questions
very
straightforward
bill
or
a
resolution,
and
seeing
no
questions
I
will
give
representative
graham
a
a
second
to
get
seated.
If
you
had
any
questions
about
h.r
27.
A
And
seeing
none,
madam
secretary,
please
call
the
roll.
D
E
C
D
B
D
A
D
G
A
A
I'm
sorry
49..
Yes,
the
background
on
this
is
general
assembly
for
those
younger
members
passed
pension,
spiking
provisions
in
2013
and
they've
been
amended
several
times
since
it
was
originally
designed
to
mitigate
the
impact
of
members
who,
in
the
past
few
years
of
their
last
few
years
of
their
employment
work
significant
amounts
of
voluntary
overtime
in
order
to
boost
their
creditable
compensation
on
which
their
pension
is
based.
A
Rather,
in
other
areas,
various
situations
cause
officials
to
dictate
mandatory
overtime
for
their
employees
without
a
qualifying
state
of
emergency
declarations.
So
this
bill
does
four
things.
On
page
three
section,
one
for
e2
creates
an
exemption
for
mandatory
overtime
hours
worked
above
100
per
fiscal
year.
That's
essentially
eight
hour
shift
once
a
month.
So
once
you
go
over
that
you
would
likely
be
touching
on
a
hundred
hours
page
four.
F
Absolutely
I
had
some
individuals
that
was
working
that
area
and
they
brought
to
my
attention
last
year
I
reached
out
to
representative
miller
and
we
started
talking
about
it
and
he
was
kind
of
working
on
some
nature
of
this
bill
already.
So
we
just
combined
our
efforts-
and
I
appreciate
you,
chairman
miller,
to
take
this.
This
would
be
very
beneficial
and
crucial
for
for
our
officers
and
things
of
that
nature,
especially
in
real
retirement.
So,
thank
you
all
appreciate.
It.
A
Thank
you,
you're
welcome,
but
again
the
spirit
of
the
original
spiking
provisions
were
to
get
at
beneficiaries
who
were
voluntarily
boost,
taking
actions
to
boost
their
retirement.
Mandatory
overtime
should
not
be
caught
in
that
net
and
there
are
no
other
questions,
but.
E
A
F
Thank
you
for
bringing
the
bill.
We,
we
experienced
some
of
the
same
with
the
tornado
in
western
kentucky,
our
local
sheriffs
city
police,
the
firemen.
You
know
they
were
all
mandatory
over
time
and
and
they
appreciate
you
guys
bringing
this
because
it
will
cover
them
too.
D
I
Nemes,
I
think,
mr
chairman,
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity,
one
to
say
thank
you
to
the
two
sponsors,
but
also
to
highlight
again
that
this
is
an
indication
that
we
don't
have
enough
police
officers
in
kentucky.
We
don't
have
enough
in
lmpd.
Don't
have
enough
of
ksp,
probably
in
many
other
jurisdictions
that
I
don't
represent.
We
we
need
more
police
officers.
There
is
in
louisville
a
crime
spike
right
now
is
violent.
There's
a
significant
number
of
of
murders,
more
murders.
I
Last
year
than
we've
ever
had
over
100
kids
in
jcps
were
shot
last
year,
two
dozen
shot
and
killed
robberies
through
the
roof
carjackings
through
the
roof.
We
have
a
crime
spike
going
on
right
now
we
need
the
right
amount
of
police
officers.
We
don't
have
enough,
so
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity.
I
want
to
thank
you,
but
also
to
highlight
that
we
need
more
police
officers
on
our
streets
to
keep
our
people
and
our
public
safe.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
E
D
E
J
I
am
supportive
because,
through
the
thread
that
came
through
regardless
of
the
condition
for
why
it's
occurring
is
that
what
we
had
done
previously
was
to
stop
intentional
spiking
and
this
levels,
the
playing
field
for
anybody
who
has
to
come
in
by
demand
of
their
jobs
in
extenuating
circumstances,
it's
keeping
it
that
simple,
I
think,
will
go
a
long
way
toward
bringing
us
all
on
board.
Thank
you.
D
C
It
just
concerns
me
that,
as
we
have
made
these
progresses
and
and
passed
some
of
these
pieces
of
legislation
which
dealt
with
spiking
that
obviously
there
are
some
things
that
we
need
to
look
at
overall
to
make
sure
that
we
are
are
being
fair
to
our
employees.
So
I
thank
you
for
for
bringing
this
piece
of
legislation.
Thank
you.
D
I
B
H
H
G
This
is
one
of
those
I
told
you
so,
and
I
look
back
to
some
of
my
friends
in
the
in
the
rear
room,
spiking
and
anti-spiking
legislation
that
was
created
in
2013
to
go
into
effect.
2014
has
caused
so
many
issues
with
the
pension
system,
and
so
many
of
these
exceptions,
and
so
many
and
intentional
or
unintentional
spiking
and
what's
over
10
percent
and
how
pensions
have
to
be
calculated
how
cities
have
challenged
certain
provisions
of
the
spiking
is
just
something
that
we
should
take
it.
G
G
E
E
That
guy
taught
me
how
to
golf
so
blame
him
and
jackson's
beside
him
and
his
lovely
wife
jane
is
with
him
so
and
jax
is
going
to
be
my
page
today.
So
on
the
floor.
Okay,
so
house
bill,
270
297
is
before
us
and
we
do
have
a
committee
sub.
Do
we
want
to
adopt
that
motion
on
this
sub
in
a
second
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
no
okay,
so
house
bill
297
with
committee
sub,
is
before
us,
mr
miller,
your
floor.
A
Is
yours?
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
house.
Bill
297
is
what
we
affectionately
refer
to
as
a
housekeeping
bill
which,
when
we
pass
legislation
their
creep
into
into
the
certain
conflicts
into
the
law
and
periodically,
we
have
to
clean
up
some
of
the
conflicts.
Also.
Sometimes
there
are
court
cases
which
have
to
be
flowed
through
and
reflected
in
the
legislation.
A
Although
it's
a
very
very
long
bill
as
most
housekeeping
bills
are,
I
think,
over
160
eight
pages
you
were
provided
with
a
a
three-page
synopsis
of
the
bill
that
enables
you
to
quickly
get
through
the
bill.
You'll
note,
there
are
several
just
general
housekeeping
bills
of
of
corrections
of
things
that
have
crept
in
have
been
identified
as
inconsistent
with
the
way,
the
intent
of
the
related
legislation.
A
A
1819
relate
to
its
duty-related
disability
senate
bill
169,
some
things
that
needed
to
be
clarified
on
that
and
the
last
item
is
compliance
with
federal
law
in
in
terms
of
making
an
emergency
clause
to
because
there's
some
litigation
out
there
I'll
stop
there,
because
you
may
have
questions
I'm
joined
by
introduce
yourselves,
please.
I'm.
A
And
if
there's
any
questions
at
all,
ms
sarat
is
the
technical
expert
in
this
matter
and
but
I
think
we
can
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
motion
on
the
bill.
G
G
Just
catching
up
is
always
a
little
difficult
I'll
get
to
the
specific
questions
when
when
we
are
there,
but
this
just
seems
to
be
a
lot
more
here
than
your
typical
at
least
what
I've
seen
is
some
cleanup
bills,
but
if
there's
anything
any
anybody
else
can
share
about
perhaps
the
healthcare
part
of
this.
The
way
that
this
is
there's
court
cases
involved-
and
I
have
some
questions
related
to
that.
So
if
anybody
else
has
anything
further,
they
can
add
now
it
might
just
help
inform
us.
A
Let
me
raise
one
issue
and
then
I'll.
Let
ask
miss
serrat
to
elaborate
on
some
of
your
other
questions.
Section
two
is
something
that's
somewhat
related
housekeeping
related,
but
it's
also
a
need.
That's
been
identified
by
the
boards,
and
that
is
we
just
can't
hire
people
investment
people
which
are
very,
very
high,
performing
people
in
terms
of
of
their
ability
to
command
a
high
salary
section.
A
2
amends
61.505
and
allows
up
to
six
positions
to
be
outside
the
scope
of
18a,
and
in
fact
I
think
that
there's
already
the
executive
director
and
is
already
outside
I'd,
asked
mr
eager
if
he
would
elaborate
on
that
sure.
H
If
you
representative
miller,
talked
about
the
problem,
we
have
with
compensation
and
18a.
It
affects
us
in
two
ways.
One
is
retention.
We've
had
I
don't.
I
can't
count
how
many
cios
we've
had
over
the
last
10
years.
We
did
get
an
exemption
for
the
cio
and
the
deputy
cio
and
they
are
being
paid
in
excess
of
the
the
limits
one
at
235
and
one
at
190..
H
We
have
a
long-term
objective
of
managing
this
money
more
effectively
for
less
money
and
that
may
involve
further
indexing.
It
may
involve
bringing
other
things
in-house
right
right
now.
On
the
equity
side,
we
have
five
5.1
billion
being
managed
externally
and
equities.
We
have
5.0
billion
being
managed
internally.
The
external
monies
run
for
35
basis
points
0.35
percent
every
year.
The
internal
money
is
the
total
of
internal
and
external
and
indexing
is
0.01.
H
So
it's
a
difference
between
18
million
and
about
500
000..
So
the
more
we
can
look
to
bring
money
in-house
and
the
more
in
the
ability
to
do
it's
going
to
be
tied
directly
to
getting
more
staff,
more
talented
staff,
so
any,
I
would
just
say
any
survey
of
the
industry.
We
are
way
below
in
compensation
for
all
of
our
positions,
so.
A
Miss
surround,
is
there
any?
Could
you
respond
to
representative
wheatley's
other
comments
about?
Was
it
disability
and
health
care?
Yes,.
G
Disability
and
health
care,
not
in
one
specific,
hi
erin,
it's
nice
to
see
you
again
is
on
page
seven,
there's
a
strikethrough
of
age
55
as
a
time
when
the
retired
member
of
the
disability
is,
I
think,
taken
away
and
then
there's
a
strike
through
of
age
of
retirement
and
how
we
went
from
55
to
age
of
retirement.
What
that
even
means.
L
Okay,
on
page
seven,
specifically
on
page
seven,
we
changed
that
from
age
55
to
state
the
age
of
normal
retirement
age
55
in
this
chapter,
16
was
55
for
our
tier
1
participants,
but
the
normal
retirement
age
changed
for
tier
2
and
tier
3
to
age
60..
So
this
just
covers
includes
those
changes
there
to
say
to
say
the
definition
of
normal
retirement,
because
that's
different
between
tiers.
E
G
Maybe
we'll
go
on
page
27.
G
This
has
to
do
with
the
testimonial
evidence
and
the
the
phrase
objective,
medical
evidence,
and
these
are
very
important
phrases
when
you
have
these
cases
before
the
the
administrative
law
judge.
G
But
that
I'm
wondering
if
this
phrase
here
is
related
to
a
particular
case
law
case.
It
says
the
testimonial
evidence
of
the
person
applying
for
disability
retirement
shall
not
constitute
or
be
deemed
the
equivalent
of
objective
medical
evidence,
and
that
is
a
very
important
phrase
when
it
comes
to
determinations
of
disability,
retirement
and
hazardous
duty.
L
Certainly-
and
this
was-
and
it's.
L
Yes,
this
was
a
an
amendment
that
was
requested
through
our
legal
staff
and
unfortunately
they're
not
here
to
speak
to
that.
So
I
can
get
more
information
on
it,
but
it
is
to
change
that
definition
to
provide
that
the
evidence
of
the
person
applying
for
the
disability
retirement
shall
not
constitute
or
be
deemed
the
equivalent
of
objective
medical
evidence
evidence.
So
it's
the
hearing
testimony
itself
that
has
to
have
the
additional
objective
medical
evidence
to
support.
L
So
you
might
want
a
a
further
explanation
of
that
and
we
can
certainly
get
that
to
you
and
send
that
out
to
the
committee
and
to
help
you
better
understand
that
the
reason
that
we're
asking,
if
that
would
be
okay.
G
Sure,
that's
fine
with
me
and
I'll
get
with
all
three
of
you
afterward
to
see
if
there's
some
other
things
that
we
can
clean
up
at
least
answer
questions
on
it.
So
thank
you,
mr
chair.
E
I
Do
have
a
similar
question
to
representative
wheatley
about
the
when
we're
when
we're
adding
in
the
advanced
age.
What's
that
going
to
do
to
the
health
cost,
the
health
insurance
plan
cost
but
I'll
I'll
get
that
off.
As
that
information
offline,
I
do
want
to
comment
cause.
I
know,
there's
I
think,
maybe
two
attorneys,
maybe
three
in
here
the
I
think
the
last
provision
that
we
were
just
discussing
on
page
27.
I
think
all
that
means
is
an
individual's
testimony.
I
If
they're
they're
not
a
doctor,
that
that's
not
going
to
be
competent
evidence
to
prove
that
they
have
a
disability,
you
need
to
introduce
competent
evidence,
whether
that's
by
an
expert
witness
or
maybe
a
statement
from
your
doctor
or
even
the
x-rays
themselves
or
some
kind.
Something
like
that.
I
think
that's
all.
That
means
is
somebody
can't
come
in.
There
complain
about
broken
bone
or
whatever,
and
then
that
be
competent
evidence.
So,
in
my
reading
of
it
that's
a
pretty
innocuous
statement.
L
D
E
Okay,
we're
gonna,
we
we
have,
we
have
the
motion
and
the
second
call
roll.
C
J
F
F
F
D
E
K
Concerned
about
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
brought
up
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
representative
miller's
amendment,
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
phrase
on
we
see
the
page
number
on
page
27
of
the
sub
about
the
equivalent.
You
know
something
that
would
be
deemed
the
equivalent
of
objective
medical
evidence
and
that's
language
is
a
little
concerning.
I
don't
know
there
is
an
equivalent
of
objective
medical
evidence.
So
I'd
like
to
see
that
cleaned
up,
I'm
a
pass
for
today
and
we'll
see
what
happens
is
that
a
paste
was.
D
D
D
D
E
Okay,
we
have
an
emergency
title
amendment
to
this.
Do
I
hear
motion.