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As
a
reminder
to
members
and
our
audience,
if
you
will,
please
silence
your
cell
phones
at
this
time,
if
you're
interested
in
testifying,
please
use
the
sign
in
sheet
at
the
doorway.
Testimony
is
within
the
chair's
discretion,
based
on
our
time
restraints
and
the
information
already
presented.
We
don't
need
to
repeat
a
lot
of
things
as
a
reminder.
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No
signs
are
allowed
in
the
committee
room
to
any
of
our
members
who
are
attending
remotely.
Please
let
us
know
your
location
as
you
respond
to
the
roll
call,
and
only
members
in
their
annex
office
or
in
the
committee
room
or
on
capitol
county
campus
will
be
counted
present
and
allowed
to
vote
on
bills.
If
a
member
has
a
question,
please
notify
one
of
us
up
here
and
we
will
certainly
get
to
you
sasha.
Please
call
the
roll.
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B
B
G
A
A
It's
the
committee's
protocol
to
ask
this
question
of
our
guest.
Do
you
swear
to
tell
the
truth
the
whole
truth
and
nothing,
but
the
truth.
I
J
I'm
scott
porter,
I'm
the
attorney
assigned
to
the
the
department
of
fish
and
wildlife
feeds
in
lieu
of
division.
I
House
bill
513
relates
to
lieu
of
and
that's
in
july,
2000.
The
kentucky
legislature
passed
krs
150.255,
which
established
the
kentucky.
Wetlands
and
stream
mitigation
fund,
kdf,
r,
wr,
wetland
and
stream
mitigation
program
manages
the
fee
in
lieu
of
or
philo
program
or
filo.
I
If
you
choose
to
provide
a
consistent
and
successful
approach
to
fulfill
compensatory
mitigation
requirements
associated
with
the
clean
water
act,
which
are
administered
respectively
by
the
u.s
army
corps
of
engineers
and
the
kentucky
division
of
water,
the
current
balance
in
the
filo
fund
is
about
120
million,
since
filo
is
property
centric.
This
bill
513
would
treat
filo
like
kytc
by
granting
filo
a
some
similar
procurement
process
that
transportation
enjoys
for
purchasing
property
for
right-of-way
and
project
construction.
I
Hb
513
was
developed
from
the
final
report
of
the
13-member
filo
task
force
recommended
in
last
year's
sb
261,
the
bipartisan
task
force,
which
included
senators,
brandon
smith
and
robin
webb,
as
well
as
representative,
ed
massey
and
boone
county
county
judge,
gary
moore,
and
also
included
tomm
fitzgerald
of
the
kentucky
resources
council
and
all
of
these
people
support
this
bill.
A
Representative
miller,
there.
A
G
Thank
you.
I
will
try
to
be
brief
and
then
entertain.
Any
questions
that
you
may
have
the
fish
and
game
fund
is
not
the
filo
fund,
so
these
these
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
licensed
dollars.
But
what
what
I
do
want
to
say,
clean
water
makes
great
fisheries
makes
a
great
opportunity
for
wildlife
to
be
healthy,
and
so
this
program
runs
parallel
with
the
department
of
fish
and
wildlife,
and
these
pass-through
funds
are
integral
for
us
to
achieve
our
mission,
and
so
I
want
to
say
a
couple
key
points.
G
85
percent
of
these
funds
are
allocated,
and
so,
when
we
talk
about
large
portions
of
money,
it's
we're
not
trying
to
find
a
place
to
spend
these
dollars.
But
what
this
bill
simply
does
is
it
allows
and
no
pun
intended
here.
This
streamlines
processes
for
for
the
program,
and
so
these
ideas
are
a
collaboration
of
a
lot
of
various
stakeholders
nonpartisan
to
get
us
where
we
are
today
and
that's
and
that's
what
this
bill
does
anything
to
add
to
that
scott.
J
That
was
very
well
said,
and
that
was
a
presentation
by
representative
miller
as
well
again.
This
is
the
the
bill
is
a
byproduct
of
the
work
group
that
we've
that
was
formed
right
after
the
august
interim
subcommittee
meeting
of
the
senate
and
house
natural
resources
at
commissioner
storm's
direction,
we
convened
the
task
force
that
had
elected
representatives,
local
government
representatives,
tom
fitzgerald.
We
had
industry
representatives,
the
chamber
of
commerce
motion.
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G
K
G
Pike,
I
think
scott
could
probably
speak
to
that
more
specific
than
than
I
can.
But
I
do
to
add
to
your
to
your
question
these
projects
when,
when
there's
a
hydraulic
consequence
for
lack
of
a
better
term
in
a
in
a
region
in
a
service
region,
those
dollars
are
allocated
back
into
those
regions.
So
when
we
have
an
area
such
as
northern
kentucky,
that's
highly
developed
there's
a
lot
of
projects
going
on
in
northern
kentucky.
Naturally,
but
but
do
you
know
specific
projects
that
would
be
in
our
district.
J
J
We've
also
got
an
rfp
out
in
the
upper
cumberland
that
we
will
begin
evaluating
next
week
with
finance,
in
conjunction
with
the
finance
cabinet.
A
K
One
more
please:
we
are
having
a
major
problem
with
our
waterways
and
streams.
That's
creating
flooding.
Is
there
any
money
that
can
be
used
to
dredge
our
waterways
and
streams
in
eastern
kentucky.
G
That
may
be
a
division
of
water
question.
I
can
tell
you
these
projects
when
we
do
these
projects,
they
create
more
of
a
natural
water
flow
environment
and
something
that
that
I
think
theoretically
would
help
flooding,
but
but
obviously
we're
trying
to
recreate
nature
again
for
a
lack
of
a
better
term,
and
so
naturally
they're
going
to
be
more
projects
in
in
areas
where
there's
a
great
development.
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G
Get
it
try
to
move
forward
yeah
again,
it's
stream,
restoration
and,
and
so
yesterday
I
had
the
pleasure
to
go
to
louisville
and
we
did
a
trout
stocking
and
that
project
was
possible
because
we
had.
We
had
a
perfect
place
for
this
to
happen.
So
outside
of
metro
louisville,
we
were
able
to
to
stock
several
hundred
trout
and
we're
gonna
we're
gonna,
put
12
we're
going
to
put
12
000
trout
in
the
stream
of
floyd's
fork
and
so
again
throughout
the
state,
depending
on
the
service
area.
G
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair
question:
did
the
coal
industry
do
they
pay
money
into
this?
The
fetal
dollars
do
they
come?
Does
some
of
that
come
from
the
coal
industry.
J
Yes,
sir,
the
any
any
any.
I'm
sorry
excuse
me
spring
allergies,
any
individual
entity
that
is
applying
for
a
404
permit,
be
it
a
coal
industry,
home
builders,
association,
ford,
whoever
that
is
applying
for
a
404
permit
pays
into
the
fund
department.
I
think
department
of
transportation
is
our
biggest
customer.
I
think
51
of
the
money
currently
in
the
fund
is
from
the
department
of
transportation.
J
I
will
have
to
look
and
see
if
that
can
be
broken
down,
but
per
the
clean
water
act
whenever
there
is
a
application
for
a
404
permit.
It
is
mandatory
that
the
restoration
work
be
done
in
that
service
area.
So
if
a
coal
company
in
harlan
needs
a
404
permit,
the
service
area
is
that
upper
cumberland
and
that's
where
the
restoration
is
being
done.
J
Likewise
with
ford,
that's
in
the
green
river
service
area,
so
whatever
money
ford
pays
in,
that's
where
the
the
green
river
service
area
is
where
the
work
is
going
to
be
done.
J
B
Yes,
hey
just
a
quick
question:
I'm
sorry,
I
was
a
few
minutes
late.
Does
this
apply
to?
Is
it
retroactive
in
any
way
and
do
does
the
water
have
to
have
be
supporting
life
like?
Does
it
have
to
have
fish
in
in
the
water?
Or
can
it
just
be
like
I'm
thinking
of
a
particular
place,
that
I
don't
think
that
there's
fish
there,
but
there's
all
kinds
of
like
ducks
and
geese
and
things
that
are
in
that
water
all
the
time
so.
J
With
the
way,
what
stream
in
wetland
mitigation
works
is
when
you,
when,
when
a
404
permit,
is
applied
for
that,
the
amount
of
stream
and
restoration
or
the
amount
of
stream
and
wetlands
that
that
company
or
that
permittee
is
displacing,
has
to
be
replaced
with
an
equal
light
kind,
and
we
do
whether
it's
not
a
mandatory
that
the
stream
have
fish
in
it,
because
aquatic
habitat
supports
ducks
deer
everything.
J
So
what
we
look
for,
and
it's
kind
of
a
commercial
announcement
if
anybody
has
any
any
projects
or
sites
in
their
area,
we'd,
certainly
entertain
finding
out.
If
there
are,
if
there
is
willing
property
owners
that
we'd
be
able
to
look
for.
But
yes,
we
do.
We
do
look
for
like
kind
if
it's
an
ephemeral
stream,
if
it's
a
perennial
stream,
we
look
for
those
types
of
projects
to
replace
exactly
what
was
taken
because
the
clean
water
act.
The
goal
of
the
clean
water
act
is
no
net
loss
of
streams
or
wetlands.
J
B
G
G
So
part
of
this
program,
the
some
of
these
funds
are
allocated
for
the
what-if
event
in
the
event
that
you
have
to
go
back
and
I
can
think
of
one
project,
pretty
close
to
my
hometown,
that
had
a
100-year
flood
and
so
that
project
had
to
have
additional
work
to
to
get
back
where
it
was.
So.
This
is
really
a
never-ending
process
in
terms
of
clean
water.
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F
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A
Congratulations,
representative
miller.
Your
bill
has
passed
out
of
committee
with
the
committee
substitute.
It
is
now
eligible
to
be
considered
on
the
house
floor
and
good
luck
in
your
next
committee
meeting.
Thank.
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H
You,
madam
chair
chris
fugit
representative
of
the
84th
district.
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A
H
H
B
G
A
A
Now
we
have
a
special
treat
if
our
former
colleague
and
actually
member
of
this
committee
as
well,
will
come
to
the
table
and
give
us
a
good
update
on
our
state
park
system
here
in
kentucky.
I
know
our
membership
has
really
been
looking
forward
to
hearing
about
the
good
work
you've
been
doing,
and
I
think
there
are
several
thank
yous
that
are
going
to
be
coming
your
way.
So
please
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
the
folks
listening
at
home,
and
we
look
forward
to
hearing
your
update
well.
E
Thank
you
very
much
chair
lady
king
and
I
want
to
let
you
know
the
55th
district
was
looking
good
when
I
left
this
morning,
so
just
want
to
let
you
know
that.
Thank
you
very
much
for
having
me
here.
I'm
russ
meyer,
commissioner
of
kentucky
state
parks.
I
have
with
me
deputy
commissioner
for
tourism,
monacuit
and
captain
chris
fugate.
E
You
know
a
familiar
face
to
you
all
over
here
in
the
annex
and
the
capitol
working
detail
with
state
police
he's
now
with
our
ranger
division
and
we're
tickled
to
have
him,
but
we
just
wanted
to
come
this
morning
and
thank
you
very
much
for
the
invitation
to
give
you
report
on
state
parks.
What
we've
been
doing
lately
and
and
most
of
that
has
been
involved
in
with
the
west
kentucky
tornadoes,
and
you
know
our
efforts
there
to
help
out
the
displaced
families
and
those
communities
in
west
kentucky.
E
E
Many
of
your
fellow
colleagues
and
representatives
and
senators
were
in
in
communication
with
us
very
supportive,
very
helpful,
want
to
thank
each
and
every
one
of
you
all
for
what
you
do
every
day
and
thank
you
very
much.
E
I
also
want
to
thank
governor
beshear
first
lady,
for
all
their
help
and
and
efforts
and
their
leadership
every
everyone.
The
commonwealth
came
together
at
this
event
and
just
really
has
has
done
a
phenomenal
job,
and
you
know
I'm
just
proud
to
be
a
part
of
our
team,
and
you
know
when
the
the
tornadoes
hit.
E
We
really
you
know
we
woke
up,
we
were,
were
you
know,
working
towards
it?
We
knew
they
were
coming.
We
didn't
know
how
devastational
this
was
going
to
be.
There
was
no
playbook
involved,
so
we
had
to
wake
up,
create
our
own,
playbook
and
and
just
flat
out
get
after
it,
and
I
feel
like
we
did.
We
came
together
as
a
team.
E
You
know
just
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky,
I'm
just
so
proud
to
be
a
part
of
what
we
do
with
the
parks
and
and
each
and
every
day,
working
with
each
each.
Each
of
you,
governor
bashir
and
and
our
team
at
parks,
but.
E
You
know,
first
of
all,
with
the
communities
in
west
kentucky
the
events
that
that
happened
throughout
your
community
representative
freeland.
As
you
know,
well,
you
were
on
the
ground
and
I
was
on
the
ground
in
mayfield
in
dawson
springs
in
princeton,
an
area
really
close
to
you
to
see
the
the
devastation,
and
it
was
just.
It
was
something
else
to
to
to
see
to
be
a
part
of
to
have
an
opportunity
to
make
a
difference
in
these
communities.
E
The
december
11th
quad
state
tornado
was
the
worst
tornado
event
in
state
history
with
at
least
four
tornadoes
devastating
eight
kentucky
counties,
the
tornado
event
resulted
in
the
governor
declaring
a
state
of
emergency.
The
emergency
declaration
ensured
that
federal
funding
was
available
to
provide
emergency
resources
and
rebuild
our
western
kentucky
communities.
E
The
state
of
emergency
activated
over
180
kentucky
national
guard
members,
as
well
as
kentucky
state
police,
fish
and
wildlife
conservation
offices
and
kentucky
state
park
rangers
our
state.
Our
state
park
rangers
helped
with
human
rescues.
First
aid
and
emergency
transport,
traffic
control,
clearing
roadways,
safety
checks
and
delivering
emergency
supplies.
E
The
park
ranger
division
has
also
been
actively
involved
in
the
state's
emergency
response
and
recovery
efforts.
Our
rangers
continue
to
work
closely
with
kentucky
emergency
management
and
fema.
We
have
dedicated
33
rangers
and
6
800
park,
ranger
hours
to
our
efforts
to
rebuild
our
western
kentucky
communities
as
part
of
the
state's
emergency
response
efforts.
Seven
kentucky
state
parks
were
designated
to
provide
emergency
shelter
and
food
services
for
individuals
impacted
by
the
tornado.
B
E
A
community
resource
by
providing
lodging
for
the
american
red
cross
utility
crews
first
responders
and
displaced
families,
and
today,
152
displaced
guests,
are
currently
being
temporarily
housed
at
kentucky
state
parks.
These
individuals
and
families
are
spread
primarily
across
four
state
resort
parks,
lake
barkley,
kentucky
dam,
village,
penny
rail
forest
and
ken
lake.
E
Since
december,
our
park,
staff
and
volunteers
have
been
working
with
the
american
red
cross,
local
churches,
businesses
and
restaurants.
To
ensure
individuals
impacted
by
the
tornado
have
basic
needs:
food,
shelter
and
clothing.
The
outpour
of
support
helped
us
ensure
every
child.
Staying
at
our
parks
had
toys
for
the
holidays.
E
We
also
hosted
four
holiday
parties
for
the
families
and
their
children
to
celebrate
the
holidays
and
allow
parents
to
shop
for
gifts
in
partnership
with
the
university
of
kentucky
men's
basketball,
coach,
john
calipari
and
manny
o'known
president
and
ceo
of
samaritan's
feet.
Shoes
were
provided
to
displace
kentuckians
staying
at
two
state
parks.
Lake
barkley
and
pennyrile
samaritan's
feet
donated
thousands
of
shoes
that
were
distributed
to
people
sheltering
at
parks
and
those
in
shelters
within
the
communities
throughout
west
kentucky.
E
Now,
as
the
number
of
sheltering
guests
is
declining,
we
have
begun
to
the
process
of
consolidating
the
number
of
parks
providing
temporary
housing
for
displaced
families.
The
process
includes
transitioning
individuals
to
more
self-sufficient
housing
units
such
as
travel
trailers
and
cottages
that
are
closer
to
their
homes,
communities
and
schools.
E
Currently
we
are
housing,
displaced
individuals
in
24
lodge
rooms
and
33
cottages.
There
are
also
seven
travel
trailers
being
utilized
as
medium
term
housing.
At
penny
rail
forest
campground,
with
the
exception
of
penny
rail
forest
in
dawson,
springs
all
sheltering
guests
will
transition
out
of
park
lodges
into
travel
trailers
or
cottages
into
at
two
to
three
parks.
E
Modernizing
our
state
parks
is
critically
important
and
ensures
our
parks
can
continue
to
be
a
community
resource
in
times
of
emergency.
This
transition
will
also
allow
us
adequate
time
to
focus
on
repairs
and
renovation
of
lodge
rooms
in
preparation
for
future
guests.
It.
It
is
also
ensures
our
parks
can
remain
competitive
in
tourism
and
hospitality
industries.
E
When
we
reopen
for
guests
in
the
future,
the
storm
resulted
in
minor
damage
at
our
parks
in
west
kentucky.
At
most
of
our
western
kentucky
parks,
we
experienced
brief
power,
outages
and
and
had
to
clear
debris.
This
created
an
opportunity
for
the
commonwealth
to
utilize.
Our
state
parks
as
emergency
sheltering
for
citizens
in
western
kentucky.
E
Recently,
the
commonwealth
purchased
200
travel
trailers
to
serve
as
medium-term
housing
for
displaced
kentuckians
in
the
16
counties.
Affected
travel
trailers
have
been
dispatched
to
mayfield
mobile
home
community
and
penny
rowell
forest
state
park.
Campground
all
travel
trailers
are
brand
new,
either
a
2022
or
2021
model
and
range
in
size
from
27
feet
to
36
feet.
Long
state
parks
can
temporarily
house
129
travel
trailers
at
ken
lake
and
pennyrile
campgrounds.
E
State
park
cottages
will
also
serve
as
medium-term
housing
options
for
displaced
individuals.
Both
the
travel
trailers
and
cottages
feature
kitchens
that
will
allow
individuals
to
resume
self-sufficiency
and
provide
more
privacy
for
the
families
to
be
eligible
for
continued
sheltering
at
state
parks.
Displaced
families
must
register
with
fema
the
deadline
to
apply
for
fema
assistance
has
been
extended
to
sunday
march
13th
and
with
everything
that
we've
done
through
parks
within
parks.
E
We
approach
it
with
compassion
for
the
families
for
the
communities
that
have
been
impacted,
and
you
know,
we've
we've
had
to
make
a
lot
of
decisions
that
we're
not
in
a
playbook
that
we
don't
normally
deal
with.
So
we've
been
learning
as
we've
gone
along.
You
know
we're
here
today
to
take
any
questions
that
you
all
may
have
about.
You
know,
what's
going
on
in
west
kentucky
what
how
we've
handled
things?
E
You
know
what
the
future
brings
and
you
know
any
other
questions
that
you
may
have
for
parks
and
and
again
chair
lady
king.
We
look
forward
to
coming
back
and
and
covering
other
topics
in
the
near
future
and
throughout
this
year
too.
So
with
that
said,
I'll
be
happy
to
take
questions
and
our
our
team
will
take
questions.
E
E
M
Sure,
just
to
reiterate
what
the
commissioner
had
advised,
it's
a
it's
a
unique
situation
for
the
park:
ranger
division.
We
have
provided
24
7
law
enforcement
coverage
at
four
of
these
parks.
That's
required
us
to
pull
several
rangers
from
across
the
state.
Currently
we
pull
anywhere
from
one
to
two
from
the
east
region
and
one
to
two
from
the
central
region.
Those
those
rangers
will
typically
stay
out
there
for
an
entire
week
work.
Those
shifts
they're,
also
working
12-hour
shifts
to
provide
that
24
7
coverage.
M
Another
unique
opportunity
for
the
rangers
they've
worked
closely
with
kentucky
emergency
management.
American
red
cross
fema,
the
the
national
guard
at
one
time,
was
also
paired
up
with
these
rangers
at
these
parks:
kentucky
department
of
fish
and
wildlife
department
of
public
health,
dcbs,
local
governments,
local
em
officials,
behavioral
health
and
kentucky
public
service
commission.
So
it's
it's
been
unique
because
a
lot
of
these
rangers
have
not
worked
with
these
individuals
before
so
it's
it's
definitely
been
an
opportunity
for
us
to
have
a
team
effort
and
work
together
for
this
disaster.
So.
A
F
A
Excellent-
and
I
know
this
committee
and
the
entire
commonwealth
joins
you
in
appreciating
their
efforts.
I
had
two
quick
questions
and
commissioner
meyer
touched
on
at
the
fema
extension
for
march
the
13th
for
our
folks
listening
at
home.
That
may
need
to
go
ahead
and
apply.
Can
you
touch
on
that
just
one
more
time?
Please.
E
Yes,
originally
the
deadline
was
february,
28th
and
we've.
You
know
placed
an
extension
on
that
to
the
13th
of
march,
which
is
which
is
great.
I
mean
you
know
when
you're
displaced
from
your
your
home
and
you
have
nothing
no
phone,
you
don't
have
have
anything
to
communicate
it's
kind
of
hard,
but
but
what
we've
been
doing
with
with
the
displaced
family,
staying
at
parks
we're
going
hands
on
knocking
on
doors
our
employees
at
the
parks
who
have
done
a
phenomenal
job?
You
know
or
are
communicating
with
them.
E
You
know
hands-on,
so
we're
letting
them
know,
but
anyone
else
out
there
in
the
commonwealth
in
west
kentucky.
That's
that's
impacted
needs
to
know
that,
yes,
the
the
you
know
deadline
is
the
13th
and
and
we
need
to
at
least
make
contact
with
fema.
That's
really
important,
because
we
don't
want
anyone
left
out
we're
we're
here
to
help.
I
know
fema's
here,
to
help
and
to
to
take
care
of
those
in
need
and
that
have
been
impacted.
E
A
Everyone
that
is
eligible
does
make
contact
and
do
that
one
quick
question
and
then
we
do
have
several
from
the
committee.
So
do
you
anticipate
your
facilities
being
cleared
of
displaced
neighbors
before
your
regular
season
starts?
How
how
do
you
anticipate
that
transition-
and
you
spoke
to
a
little
bit
of
that?
But
can
you
expand
on
that
just
a
moment.
E
I
can
and,
as
I
said
first
and
foremost
when
you
are
in
a
delicate
situation
like
this,
you
approach
it
with
compassion
for
for
people
affected
and
and
in
a
helpful.
You
know
manner,
but
it
is,
you
know,
very
important
that
they
they
get
in
touch
with
fema,
because
fema
is
also
there
to
help
and
provide
these
services
and
they're
here
for
a
reason,
so
to
transition
from
parks
and
get
us
back
to
operational
status
is
very
important.
E
You
know
not
only
to
these
families
impacted
the
communities
and
and
our
entire
commonwealth
and
and
how
we
operate
our
parks.
So
so
we're
we're
moving
on
that.
But
you
know
we're
also.
You
know
working
with
the
families
and
and
in
each
situation
individually.
So
you
know,
I
feel
like
that.
You
know
we'll
be
ready
it.
E
C
E
It's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
look
at
where
we
are
and
and
upgrade
and
and
make
necessary
changes
to
make
it
a
a
better
product
for
for
those
looking
to
use
our
parks
and
and
have
a
have,
a
great
vacation.
So.
A
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
thank
you,
commissioner
myers.
I
know
we
we
have
talked
several
times
and
and
talked
through
state
park
directors
several
times
on
issues,
and-
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
in
the
governor's
office
for
for
all,
you
have
done
for
our
area,
and
you
mentioned
the
the
rooms
and
and,
as
you
mentioned
earlier,
they're
we're
not
playing
from
it.
There's
no
playbook
to
go
by.
D
So
it
was
nice
that
that
was
offered
and
had
a
place
for
these
displaced
families,
because
western
kentucky
we
don't
have
available
homes
like
many
areas
do
so
it
was
nice
to
have
a
place
for
these
folks
to
go.
One
question
I
did
have
was
regarding
tourism.
This
season,
I
want
to
make
sure
like
western
kentucky
lake
barkley
kentucky
lake,
maybe
get
some
extra
consideration
because
we
have
been
through
so
much,
and
I
don't
want
that
national
perception
for
people
that
are
looking
for
places
to
stay.
D
E
Well,
thank
you
for,
for
that,
and
you
know
if
any
of
you
all
have
been
to
west
kentucky
and
experienced
land
between
the
lakes,
the
the
parks
that
we
have
down
there,
unbelievable
they're,
beautiful,
they're,
they're,
first
class-
and
you
know
I
just
I
don't
think
we're
gonna-
have
any
problem
with
that.
I
think
that
they're
gonna
continue
on
business
as
usual.
E
Obviously,
and
we'll
be
back
to
talk
more
about
this,
but
you
know
there
are
capital
needs
in
our
parks,
as
you
all
know,
that
have
parks
in
your
areas.
E
So
you
know
we're
looking
forward
to
to
taking
care
of
a
lot
of
these
upgrades
in
our
parks.
It's
important
and
you
know
this
transition
is
going
to
enable
us
to
take
care
of
a
lot
of
things.
So
yeah
they're
get
down
to
kentucky
dam
village,
get
down
to
ken
lake
state
park,
get
down
to
lake,
barclay,
go
to
penny
rowell,
beautiful
places
and
just
a
r,
unbelievable
part
of
our
state
that
you
will
fall
in
love
with
if
you
have
not
been
there.
So
thank
you.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
want
to
commend
you
on
the
job
that
you've
done
through
this
major
disaster
that
we've
had.
Secondly,
as
a
retired
state
employee,
the
state
parks
were
my
home
away
from
home
and
they're,
always
so
beautiful,
peaceful,
the
serenity
that
we
were
there
for
meetings
and
I've
stayed
in
every
one
of
them
across
the
state
from
the
land
between
the
lakes
to
the
virginia
line,
so
they're
beautiful
one.
K
K
That
is
an
absolutely
beautiful
pool
and
it
was
utilized
tremendously
by
families
because,
there's
not
you
know,
we
lack
in
recreational
activities
somewhat,
but
is
there
any
way
that
you
all
can
take
a
look
at
reopening
that
pool
at
jenny,
wally
state
park,
and
that's
it's
always
just
been
on
my
mind,
and
you
know
it's.
It's
just
a
shame
that
it's
sitting
there
not
being
utilized
so.
J
L
L
E
K
E
As
I
say
it
in
anything
that
we
do
any
any
business
venture
that
you
have
with
your
home
with
kentucky
state
parks
we
have
wants,
we
have
needs
and
we
have
have
to's
and
we
have
about
250
million
dollars
in
capital.
Expenditure
have
to's
right
now
across
our
state,
45
state
parks.
So
it's
important
and
and
I've
been
down
and
I've
talked
to
your
mayor
about
this.
I've
talked
and
and
sat
down
with
representative
tackett
lafferty
about
this
and
other
members
of
your
community
of
the
community.
E
There-
and
you
know
it's
important-
that
we
we
reinvest
in
our
parks
because
they're
a
big
part
of
our
communities
they're
a
big
part
of
the
the
economic
impact
in
our
communities,
and
you
know
that's
that's
all
I
can
say,
but
we're
we're
gonna
we're,
gonna
work
and
fight
and
and
dig
every
day
and-
and-
and
I
know
you
all-
are
gonna-
do
the
same
this
session
when
when
it
comes
down
to
budget
time-
and
we
have
the
ability
to
and
an
opportunity
a
real
opportunity,
this
session,
to
get
some
stuff
done
within
our
state
parks
and
reinvest
not
only
in
our
state
parks,
but
it's
a
reinvestment
in
our
communities.
E
It's
a
reinvestment
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
So
I
appreciate
you
so.
K
Just
a
quick
follow-up
I'll
bring
to
mind
that
this
park,
not
just
with
tourism,
but
it
serves
like
this
pool.
There
was
people
from
four
counties
that
utilized
it
and
they
don't
have
a
lot
of
access
to
public
pools.
You
know
in
their
communities,
so
everybody
went
to
the
lake,
dad
went
fishing
and
the
family.
You
know
hang
out
at
the
pool
so.
E
In
the
in
the
mountains-
and
it's
it's,
it's
awesome,
but
and
also
thank
you
for
what
you
said
about
the
the
parks
and
the
team.
We
have.
You
know
the
the
park
our
kentucky
state
park.
Employees
have
just
been
unbelievable
through
this.
You
know
tragedy
with
the
tornadoes
they
put
in
countless
hours,
they've
they've
been
committed
and
it's
it's
been
really
really
tough
and-
and
it's
been
tough
on
the
the
people
in
the
communities
I
mean.
E
I
know
my
wife
and
I
we
were
working
in
the
kitchen
at
penny,
rowell
and-
and
I
came
out
to
just
help
and
see
what
was
going
on
with
the
food
operation
out
there,
and
I
saw
a
family
standing
at
the
you
know
check-in
at
the
at
the
restaurant,
and
I
went
up
to
to
check
on
them.
I
mean
you're,
I
mean
it
it.
It
was
an
emotional
thing
and
this
family
I
said.
Well,
how
can
I
help
you?
E
It
was
family
of
about
six
people
and
you
know
all
they
had
shirt
on
their
back.
They
lost
everything,
everything
they
rented,
where
they
were
staying
and
where
they
were
staying
was
gone
and
everything
in
it
was
gone
and
they
said
I
don't
know
if
you
can
help
me
or
not,
and
I
mean
I
just
tear
came
down
my
face
and
I
said
well
ma'am,
can
I
do
anything
for
you.
She
said
we
are
starving.
E
That's
what
she
told
me.
We
are
starving
and
I
said
well,
you
all
go
right
over
there
to
that
buffet
and
fill
your
plates
up.
All
you
want
and
we'll
work
on
getting
you
a
place
to
stay,
and
you
know
that
you
know
these
people
came
to
our
state
parks
with
hope
and
that's
all
they
had
was
hope
and
we
were
able
to
give
them
shelter.
E
D
Thank
you
chairwoman,
commissioner.
Thank
you
for
coming.
This
is
very
informative,
again
accolades
to
your
to
your
group
for
the
response
for
the
tornado.
Obviously,
we
we
have
key
pieces
in
our
commonwealth
that
are
called
upon
during
times
of
emergency
when
state
parks.
You
were
right
there
when
it
was
needed.
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
that
our
school
systems,
our
school
buildings,
were
also
employed
during
that
time
period
critical
critical
resources
in
some
of
the
most
devastated
areas.
D
Thank
you
for
your
leadership
with
this
group.
I
kind
of
want
to
change
directions
a
little
bit
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
big
picture
because,
within
within
this
time
period
that
we're
going
through
covid
and
those
types
of
things
obviously
parks
are,
are
an
avenue
for
people
to
definitely
explore.
You
definitely
have
talked
about
some
capital
improvement
projects.
D
I
can
tell
you
I'll
go
specifically
right
into
this.
I
had
a
couple
of
buddies.
We
used
to
travel
around
go
to
the
robert
jones
golf
trail
in
alabama,
and
I
was
in
parts
of
alabama.
I
would
never
go
to
if
it
wasn't
for
the
golf
course.
That's
there.
I
think
our
golf
courses,
I've
played
mineral
mound
out
in
land
between
near
land,
between
the
lakes
and
I've,
played
pine
mountain
from
the
606
to
the
270..
D
We've
got
some
outstanding
golf
courses.
We
need
to
increase
our
traffic
there.
Have
you
guys
thought
about?
I
know
personally
from
I
first
met
you
when
your
son
competed
golf,
and
I
was
a
golf
coach
in
in
lexington,
and
so
I
understand
how
running
golf
tournaments
is
one
of
the
best
ways
to
get
money
generating
in
areas.
D
E
Well,
you
have
hit
right
in
my
wheelhouse
representative
timoney,
you
know,
let's,
let's
look
at
it.
This
way
golf
how
many
people
in
this
room
play
golf.
It's
not
a
high
percentage
of
people
in
in
any
community
play
golf
10,
maybe
20
even
play,
but
but
let
me
tell
you,
it
is
a
huge
economic
impact
and
one
thing
that
that
I
can
say
about
the
golf
courses
here
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky.
E
There
are
five
star
golf
courses
go
to
yatesville
and
take
a
look
at
that
golf
course
put
that
on
your
calendar
as
the
weather
starts
getting
warmer,
but
it's
the
economic
impact
that
it
brings
to
communities
it's
a
tool
in
the
toolbox
that
we
need
to
promote
our
communities
and
for
park
standpoint.
It
puts
heads
in
beds
and
then
it's
public
golf
courses
that
are
open
to
everyone.
E
We
are
not
excluding
anyone,
it's
not
a
private
club,
but
you
have
to
have
a
membership.
You
can
come,
anyone
can
come
play
our
golf
courses
and
they
are
beautiful,
but
we
have
to
reinvest
in
our
golf
courses.
As
you
know,
we
have
to
to
get
people
coming
back
and
I've
been
discussing
this
and-
and
there's
was
monies
that
we
put
in
you
know
for
golf
courses,
capital
improvements
that
was
not
in
the
house
version
we're
in
the
senate.
E
Now
when
it
comes
back
to
the
house
and
the
senate
coming
together,
let's
get
that
that
put
back
in,
because
if
we
don't
reinvest
in
our
golf
courses,
these
people
won't
come
back
it
won't.
They
won't
come
back
and
put
heads
and
beds
at
our
parks.
They
they
won't
come
to
our
communities
to
play
these
golf
courses
and-
and
it's
important-
we
have
these
just
awesome.
Awesome
awesome
assets
awesome
assets
throughout
our
state
that
are
huge
draws
to
people
out
of
state,
let's
reinvest
in
them.
So
thank
you
for
that.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
commissioner,
thank
you
for
coming
today
and
thank
you
for
all
that
you've
done
in
western
kentucky
to
help
a
lot
of
people,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
park
rangers
for
their
service
during
that
time,
and
I
know
that
was
a
tough
time
on
everybody.
It
still
is,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
that.
Thank
you
for
coming
today,
but
then
turn
into
our
atv
trail
system.
H
I've
got
two
great
state
parks
in
my
district,
of
course,
my
district
will
be
changing
after
this
year
pending
my
re-election,
but
I've
kingdom
come
state
park
and
then
I've
got
buckhorn
lake
state
park.
It's
my
understanding
that
in
the
past
years,
buckhorn
lake
is
a
place
where
I
think
that
is
one
of
the
most
beautiful
places
that
there
is,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
in
the
past
years
the
the
lodge
and
and
all
the
lake
has
lost
up
to
800
000
a
year
and
so
talking
about
our
trail
system
and
promoting
our
park
system.
H
I
really
believe
that
if
we
made
buckhorn
lake
into
somewhat
of
just
a
destination
for
atvers,
you
know
last
year
in
west
virginia
96,
000
people
came
to
west
virginia
to
write,
atvs
economic
impact
of
38
million
dollars
in
eight
southern
west
virginia
counties,
and
so
our
trail
system
is
going
to
do
the
same
thing
for
east
kentucky.
But
I
think,
as
you
said,
put
heads
in
the
beds.
H
I
think
we
could
fill
buckhorn
lake
lodge
and
and
the
cabins
and
all
that
stuff.
I
think
we
could
fill
them
nine
or
ten
months
out
of
the
year,
and
so
I
appreciate
you
having
an
open
talk
with
me
over
the
last
months
that
you've
been
in
the
position
that
you've
been
in,
and
I
understand
that
the
cabins
and
places
need
work
and
we
as
a
state
legislature,
really
need
to
look
at
that
as
a
as
an
important
part
of
our
budget
process.
H
And-
and
so
you
know-
I
just
I'm
thankful
that
we
we've
been
talking
and
I
pray
that
we
can
just
continue
to
work
together
to
see
that
to
see
that
happen
for
east
kentucky.
You
know
colt
the
coal
industry
has
been
destroyed.
H
I
mean
we
all
know
that
we
have
to
have
something
that's
going
to
bring
money
in
and
if
we
can
create
a
place
where
90
000
people
can
come
to
east
kentucky
to
ride
atvs
and
stay
and
promote
the
lake
as
the
pontoon
rentals
and
the
fishing
and
the
swimming
and
just
a
great
place
to
stay.
You
know
I'm
I'm
thankful
for
our
state
parks
and
I
pray
we
can
keep
working
on
that
and
make
that
come
to
pass.
H
A
E
Buckhorn
is
a
hidden
gem,
just
in
an
unbelievable
place.
It's
beautiful,
I
mean
just
just
phenomenal.
So
thank
you
for
saying
that,
and
and
being
supportive
of
of
your
your
park
there.
You
know
we
have
an
opportunity.
This
is
our
opportunity,
as
I've
said,
with
with
arpa
money
coming
in.
This
is
our
opportunity
to
reinvest.
So
you
know
you
take
a
a
a
little
place,
a
hidden
gem
like
buckhorn.
You
know
we
can
do
something
think
outside
the
box.
This
is
this
is
our
opportunity
to
come
together
and
work
together.
E
C
C
E
It's
going
well,
we
implemented
a
vetting
process
with
fema
with
the
american
red
cross
and,
with
you
know,
our
local
emergency
management,
emergency
management
for
for
our
our
state
of
kentucky
and
with
our
local
folks
in
emergency
management
too,
so
that
vetting
process
has
has
extremely
helped
that
you
know.
Obviously
the
percentages
are
percentages
and
you're
going
to
have.
You
know
some
come
in
and
take
advantage,
but
you
know,
as
I
said,
we're
going
into
every
case
with
with
compassion
and
we're
vetting
we're
doing
the
right
thing.
E
You
know,
we've
been
on
the
ground
in
west
kentucky
vetting,
so
you
know:
we've
there
wasn't
a
playbook
yeah
we've
had
to
create
that
playbook,
and
that
was
a
big
part
of
it.
Coming
in.
You
may
want
to
expand
on
that
a
little
bit,
captain
crockett,
but
it's
gone
well
and
and
to
answer
your
question:
yes,
there
have
been
people
take
advantage,
but
you
know
we've
handled
it
with
class
and
and
handled
it
properly.
So.
C
Well,
if,
if
I
may
just
follow
up
and
the
reason,
I
actually
asked
that
and
it's
kind
of
ironic.
Ten
years
ago
yesterday,
we
had
a
devastating
tornado,
come
through
my
area,
not
to
the
extent
as
happened
here
or
in
the
western
part
of
the
state,
but
we
had
a
lot
of
devastation,
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars,
billions
of
dollars
of
damage
in
several
counties.
C
But
what
I
found
out
was
soon
after
that
happened,
working
with
local
officials,
and
this
was
before
I
came
to
this
position
here.
But
for
two
years
I
headed
up
an
organization.
There
called
the
long-term
recovery
group
that
worked
with
county
judges,
fiscal
courts
and-
and-
and
I
found
in
my
experience
through
that
through
that
time,
especially
early
on
that
it
was
very
difficult
to
work
with
fema
the
peop,
the
folks
from
fema,
made
it
very
difficult
for
those
individuals
to
get
their
forms
filed.
C
They
made
it
almost
impossible
for
a
lot
of
those
people.
A
lot
of
those
people
just
didn't,
didn't
follow
through
with
it
and-
and
this
is
and
I
and
I'm
not
trying
to
make
it
sound
as
though
fema
was
the
problem,
but
I
do
know
from
experience
working
in
in
that
field,
with
habitat
for
humanity,
people
we
had
to
and
we
had
to
get
investments
from
millions
of
dollars
of
private
funds
to
get
people
back
in
homes,
because
the
fema
folks
just
kind
of
went
away
and
left
us,
and
so
I'm
I'm.
C
E
His
team's
leadership
we've
done
a
phenomenal
job
of
of
putting
everything
in
place
to
help
that
not
from
happening
because
we
are
dealing
with
it
from
not
only
fema
federal
level,
state
level,
communication
with
emergency
management,
local
level,
communication
with
local
emergency
management,
so
they've
done
a
great
job
of
of
communicating
and
being
in
touch
with
with
that
whole
process,
each
and
every
day
and
throughout
the
week.
So
you
know
I'll
give
credit
where
credit's
due
governor
beshear's
done
a
fantastic
job
with
that.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to.
M
Crockett
sure,
as
as
the
commissioner
stated,
it
has
been
a
learning
process
for
everyone
from
the
rangers
to
to
the
department
of
parks,
but
I
can
assure
you,
just
through
my
involvement
there
at
the
kentucky
operations
center,
that
the
parks
department,
along
with
kentucky
emergency
management
and
fema,
have
worked
very
well
together.
M
In
addition,
the
arc
the
american
red
cross
had
been
there
throughout
the
entire
process.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
what
we've
done
to
make
sure
that
these
people
are
being
contacted
in
addition
to
signage
there
at
the
parks,
we've
made
an
active
effort
to
reach
out
to
these
individuals
that
are
at
parks
that
have
not
have
not
registered
with
fema.
M
Fema
has
also
brought
teams
in
to
to
actively
meet
with
these
individuals
to
see
that
the
proper
paperwork
is
is
filed,
they
need
to
to
get
the
help
that
they
need,
and
some
of
these
people,
as
you
can
imagine,
had
need
assistance
in
filing
that
paperwork
because
it
obviously
it
can
be
overwhelming
to
you.
E
M
C
I
can
just
go
back
and
speak
from
experience
from
a
decade
ago
that
it
didn't
go
well
and
and
fema
seemed
to
basically
abandon
thousands
of
people
up
in
our
part
of
the
state
and
left
them
made
made
things
so
difficult
that
many
folks
just
didn't
utilize.
It
didn't
didn't
follow
through
with
it
and
madam
chair.
If
I
can
ask
one
more
question,
maybe
if
we're
running
late
on
time,
I
apologize.
C
We
have
been
promoting
our
parks
and
I
do
want
to
commend
the
the
parks
commissioner
for
the
park
service
state
park
service
for
natural
bridge
state
park,
which
is
in
my
district
they've,
done
a
lot
of
work
there
and
made
a
lot
of
improvements
to
natural
bridge.
It's
just
a
like
everybody
else's
park.
C
It's
a
phenomenal
place
right
there
in
the
red
river
gorge.
They
have
done
a
phenomenal
job
in
in
improving
the
the
lodge
the
cafeteria
area
where
people
eat,
and
so
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
and
thank
the
parks
for
a
lot
of
work
that
they've
done
their
natural
bridge
and
have
have
made
that
a
a
beautiful
place.
It's
it's
like
every
place
else.
It
still
needs
some
more
work,
but
it
it
has
improved
a
lot,
and
I
appreciate
that
from
the
from
the
kentucky
state
parks.
L
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
say
that
you
know,
obviously,
in
addition
to
all
the
wonderful
things
that
our
state
parks
bring
your
testimony
today,
just
kind
of
reinforces.
Why
we're
very
thankful
and
fortunate
for
our
state
parks.
L
I
know
darren
covid
in
the
beginning,
I
live
in
a
district,
my
district,
I
do
have
the
beautiful
jenny
wiley
state
park,
which
does
need
the
pool
reopened,
and
but
we
did
use
our
cabins
there
to
house
our
first
responders
when
they
would
test
positive
for
covid
so
that
they
wouldn't
take
it
home
to
their
families.
So
you
know
that's
just
another.
Another
use.
L
Another
reason
why
we
need
to
reinvest
in
our
parks
and
why
we
need
to
look
to
the
future
and
utilizing
them
not
just
they're
there
when
we
need
them,
but
they
can
also
be
such
a
valuable
asset.
When
you
talk
about
a
hidden
gem,
they
truly
are.
I
do
want
to
say
thank
you
just
like
some
of
my
fellow
representatives,
because
you
have
listened
many
times
to
some
of
my
concerns
with
regard
to
our
state
park.
L
In
my
district,
you
know,
of
course,
we've
talked
about
our
swimming
pool,
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
one
of
the
major
things
that
I
appreciate
is
just
like
the
trail
system.
You
have
listened
to
what
is
relevant
to
our
areas,
for
instance
we're
talking
about
golf
courses.
L
Unfortunately,
my
park
has
a
debunked
golf
course,
because
we
have
the
beautiful
stonecrest
golf
course
at
the
top
of
the
hill.
So
now
our
smaller
golf
course
on
our
on
our
property
is
no
longer
in
use,
but
you
know
your
office
and
fish
and
wildlife
has
been
wonderful
to
talk
to
me
about
trying
to
bring
in
something
like
an
archery
range
to
that
space
which,
like
you
said,
would
put
heads
and
beds
from
what
I
understand.
L
Something
like
that
would
be
one
of
the
only
outdoor
facilities
available
across
kentucky
where
schools
could
compete.
So
that
would
bring
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
people
to
our
area
and
I
think
the
trail
system
working
with
the
parks
is
a
fantastic
idea
for
for
our
area,
and
I
think
it
includes
what
19
counties
so
so
I
think
that
would
be
a
big
win
for
kentucky
if
we
could
correlate
those.
L
F
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about
my
hidden
jewel,
green
river
lake
and
question.
I
have
to
you,
commissioner,
and
again
thank
you
for
what
you
guys
do
we,
as
my
my
understanding,
is
and
really
after
the
meeting
sometime
I
like
to
sit
down
and
talk
to
you,
so
I
can
get
more
educated
overall,
but
I
understand
green
river
lake
is
run
by
the
core
of
engineers.
Maybe
is
there
any
other
lakes
or
are
they
all
run
by
the
core?
Or
can
you
answer
that
question.
F
F
I
don't
need
to
get
into
explaining.
We
can
sit
down
another
time,
but
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
kind
of
touch
base.
Show
some
love
toward
green
river
lake
is,
is
a
beautiful,
beautiful
lake
and
love
to
have
a
life,
so
we
can
put
those
heads
in
the
beds
one
of
these
years
and
but
anyway,
just
thank
you
for
what
you
do.
C
E
It's
a
phenomenal
great
staff
there,
so
it's
a
it
is
a
great
place.
So
thank
you
for
mentioning.
A
Well,
commissioner,
and
your
guest,
I
hope
you
sense
how
much
we
appreciate
everything
you
do
and
how
much
we
appreciate
this
briefing.
So
please
share
our
thanks
with
all
of
your
team
members
in
each
of
your
divisions,
and
we
look
forward
to
having
you
back
really
soon.
Thank
you.