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A
A
Who've,
either
wanted
to
co-sponsor
the
bill
or
support
it
wholeheartedly,
because
it's
happening
in
their
area
too.
Louisville
is
a
huge
thing
and
they're
bringing
in
about
2
000
bucks.
A
pop
I'm
told
just
yesterday,
pastor
edward
palmer,
who
this
committee
member
these
committee
members.
Most
of
you
will
know
texted
me
yesterday
and
his
church
van
had
it
cut
out,
and
he
texted
me
that,
because
he
knew
I
had
this
bill,
so
that's
happened
and
he's
in
the
hardin
county
area.
A
B
I
know
we're
not
allowed
to
make
comments,
but
this
is
actually
a
comment.
I
don't
know
if
you're
aware,
but
palladium,
which
is
a
key
component.
C
C
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
a
very
timely
topic.
I
too
have
received
a
lot
of
questions
and
information
about
this
topic,
in
fact,
haven't
had
some
unfortunate
experiences.
Also.
What
about,
though,
another
flip
side
to
this
is
you
you
have
an
old,
old,
junk
or
car
with
a
couple
hundred
thousand
miles
on
it
and
the
catalytic
converter
goes
out
and
you
want
to
repair
it
put
in
a
new,
replace
the
catalytic
converter
legally,
not
go
steal
one,
but
go
purchased
one.
D
If
you
go
purchase
a
new
one,
you're
talking
big
bucks,
it's
been
my
experience.
You
go
to
a
reputable
junkyard
or
somewhere
like
this,
and
they
told
me
they
weren't
allowed
to
do
it
to
sell
a
used
catalytic
converter.
Could
you
enlighten
the
committee
on
that
topic
at
all.
A
A
So
it
I
I
think
they
still
could.
If
there's
someone
from
that
group
that
wants
to
answer
that
question
between
now
and
any
floor
vote
for
you,
I
can
get
an
answer
for
you.
I
don't
think
there's
a
prohibition,
but
it
does
make
it
harder
to
do
without
having
some
proof
of
ownership
of
that
converter.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I'm
the
question,
I
guess
is
direct.
You
I'm
for
this
100
percent.
The
only
question
I've
got
you
you're
going
to
mind.
If
it
gets
amended,
it
would
go
up
above
a
class
of
misdemeanor.
I've
had
them
stole
from
me.
A
E
And
I
want
to
amend
that
because
if
it's
a
thousand
dollars
that's
over
a
thousand
dollars,
that's
a
felony
and
I've
been
furious
at
them
for
stolen.
I
I
did
get
the
junk
yards
by
saying,
I'm
going
to
silverly
sue
you
to
make
everybody
do
what
you're
putting
in
this
bill
sign
something
whenever
they
got
it
and
they'd
take
a
picture
of
their
driver's
license
so
that
you
could
trace
down
those
that
were
stealing
and-
and
they
went
from
that
junkyard
though,
to
ones
out
of
town.
So
it's
been
a.
A
I
appreciate
that
question
I
considered
that.
So,
if
you
look
on
page
six
and
seven,
I
actually
do
bump
the
penalties
up.
There
are
two
in
particular.
One
is
for
the
failure
on
the
junkyard
of
the
scrap
yard
to
keep
the
records
they're
supposed
to
keep,
and
I
bump
it
up
from
that
hundred
dollar
fine,
which
is,
I
think,
a
nominal
useless
penalty
to
a
b
misdemeanor,
which
is
not
insignificant
and
for
the
same
act
down
below.
A
In
section
three
at
the
middle
of
page
seven,
there,
the
very
last
bit
that's
new
unlawful
acts
relating
to
the
purchase
or
disposition
of
metals
as
a
class
b,
misdemeanor
again
bumping
it
up
from
100
fine.
I
think
this
is
separate
and
apart
from
the
offense
of
the
theft
itself,
which
without
question
is
already
a
felony
and
if
you
can
charge
someone
if
you
could,
if
you've
got
the
evidence
to
take
that
case,
a
prosecutor
would
be
silly
not
to
do
that.
So
I
I'm
not
going
to
oppose
that.
A
D
All
right
I'd
like
to
explain
my
vote.
Yes,
sir.
Thank
you.
Speaking
of
the
penalty,
the
penalty
part
of
it,
everybody
everyone
it
seems
like,
wants
their
crime
to
be
a
felony.
It
seems
like.
But
if
you
sit
in
district
court,
very
very
rarely
does
anyone
max
out
on
a
a
penalty
on
a
misdemeanor.
The
chairman
was
telling
me:
what
did
you
say,
90
days
in
jail?
D
C
Senator
schroeder
mr
chair,
explain
my
vote.
Thank
you
I'll
vote.
Yesterday.
I
do
want
to
get
some
more
feedback.
I
have
some
concerns
about
a
reporting
requirements
when
salvage
yards
have
vents
associated
with
these.
I
want
to
make
sure
we
look
into
that,
so
we're
not
hurting
small
businesses
across
kentucky,
but
for
today
I'll
vote.
Yes,
senator
stivers,
senator
turner.
E
Explain
my
yes
vote.
I
know
my
the
junkyards
in
my
area
did
undertake
to
take
the
picture
id
and
keep
a
record
of
them
because
of
the
extensive
theft
of
them.
So
I
don't
think
it's
a
real
burden
on
those
people
and
that
we're
here
to
protect
the
public
and
that
putting
a
little
bit
of
burden
on
a
junkyard
of
keeping
a
record
should
help
prevent
for
the
stealing
in
the
first
place.
So
I'm
voting
now
on
this.
A
A
Senate
bill
179
sponsored
by
our
friend
and
vice
chairman,
senator
danny
carroll.
You
have
the
floor,
sir.
G
G
I
was
contacted
by
law
enforcement
in
relation
to
crimes
that
had
occurred
in
the
scenes
of
this
disaster
where
the
tornadoes
had
passed
through
and
we
were
seeing
looting,
theft
a
lot
of
different
types
of
crimes.
I
started
looking
at
a
model
of
a
bill
to
go
by.
We
looked
at
several
states
that
that
have
something
in
place
and
we
decided
to
make
it
a
very
simple
bill
and
we
tried
to
narrow
down
the
focus,
and
I
want
to
make
it
clear.
G
This
covers
states
of
emergency,
but
is
it
is
a
very
narrowly
focused
in
state
of
emergency?
This
would
not
cover
where
there
are
riots.
I
do
not
want
this
to
be
confused
with
the
riot
bill
that
I
have
pushed
in
the
legislature
for
several
years
now
or
for
two
years.
I'm
sorry
not
several,
and
it
specifically
relates
to
disasters
a
natural
or
man-made
disaster
and
that's
defined
as
a
tornado,
storm
or
other
severe
weather,
earthquake,
flood
or
fire
that
poses
a
significant
threat
to
human
health
and
safety,
property
or
critical
infrastructure.
G
G
It
covers
the
crimes
of
third
degree,
assault,
only
section,
a
under
third
degree
assault
and
then
the
property
crimes,
burglary,
criminal,
trespass,
criminal
mischief
and
then
the
theft
crimes
theft
by
an
awful
taking
or
disposition
theft
by
deception,
receiving
stolen
property
and
also
robbery,
first
robbery.
Second,
and
simply
it
just
bumps
the
it
enhances
the
penalty
for
those
crimes
up
one
degree.
A
Any
questions
I
didn't
see
anyone
got
a
motion
from
we
do
have
a
sub
on
this.
Can
I
take
thank
you
from
senator
wheeler
in
a
second
from
senator
schickler
on
the
sub,
as
as
we've
got
before
us
any
questions
on
the
sub,
all
those
in
favor
of
adopting
said
sub,
please
vote
by
saying,
aye
aye
those
opposed
motion
from
senator
wheeler.
Second
from
senator
schickel
any
questions
seeing
none.
Madam
secretary.
A
Hi
bill
passes
with
favorable
expression,
another
eight
to
nothing
count
for
those
watching
at
home.
Thank
you,
senator
carroll.
I
appreciate
it
I'll
entertain
a
motion
for
consent,
motion
made
and
seconded
by
senator
west
and
schickel.
I
believe
I
heard
all
those
in
favor,
please
vote
by
saying
aye
aye
those
opposed
that
shall
be
on
consent.
H
You
very
much
it's
good
to
be
in
front
of
this
committee.
I
don't
have
a
chance
to
come
before
this
committee
very
often,
but
a
lot
of
friendly
faces
here.
I
want
to
thank
you,
mr
trump,
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
present
this
bill.
This
bill
has
been
a
very
slow
labor
of
love
that
began
several
years
ago.
For
me,
as
a
request
from
a
constituent
who
was
frustrated
with
his
homeowners
association
in
the
masters
and
station
area
of
lexington,
I
was
giving
a
legislative
update
there.
H
He
approached
me
afterwards
and
said
that
he
had
requested
a
lot
of
financial
documents
and
claim
that
the
hoa
was
unwilling
to
provide
them
and
he
was
paying
dues
every
month
and
couldn't
he
was
concerned
about
how
those
dues
were
being
spent
and
couldn't
get
transparency.
He
was
concerned
that
those
monies
were
not
being
handled
properly
and
informed,
informing
that
there
was
nothing
that
he
could
do
in
terms
of
forcing
that
nothing
in
the
law
said
that
he
could
not
afford
an
attorney
to
pursue
the
matter
further.
H
So
I
went
ahead
and
took
his
request
and
started
looking
into
it
and
decided
to
produce
a
draft
for
a
bill,
and
this
was
several
years
ago.
H
There
have
been
multiple
lawsuits,
at
least
in
my
district
regarding
homeowners
associations
and
and
people
who
were
either
directors
of
those
hoas
or
developers
who
took
control
of
the
funds,
didn't
perform
the
tasks
required
for
maintenance
of
common
areas.
Citizens
often
would
seek
help
from
local
county
or
city
officials
only
found
that
they
also
had
no
jurisdiction
over
these
matters,
and
members
of
the
homeowners
association
have
often
hired
attorneys
to
try
and
sue.
H
I
in
only
find
out
if
the
person
was
bankrupt
or
had
left
the
country
or
some
other
kind
of,
and
there
was
so
effectively
no
recourse
for
people.
I
do
have
I'll
give
you
one
quick
story
in
mount
sterling.
I
had.
Many
of
you
may
have
played
old,
silo
golf
course,
beautiful
golf
course.
We
had
their
amounts
swirling
for
quite
a
while.
A
developer
had
developed
a
beautiful
golf
community,
a
lot
of
homes
around
that
community
people
had
spent
top
dollar
for
homes.
H
On
certain
greens,
the
developer
had
never
turned
over
the
requirement
turned
over
to
the
homeowners
association
for
controlled
by
the
owners
and
left
and
suddenly.
The
golf
course
was
no
longer
functioning.
They
closed
the
clubhouse.
There
was
no
maintenance
of
the
golf
course
itself,
so
you
can
imagine
if
you're
looking
at
your
front
yard
and
what
used
to
be
a
green,
I
was
a
jungle
of
of
of
grass
and
no
one
was
maintaining
it.
There
was
some
concern
they
pursued
to
find
out
where
that
person
was
they
had
left.
They
couldn't
find
them
anymore.
H
They
went
to
local
city
and
county
officials.
They
couldn't
help
them
because
it
was
a
private
homeowners
association.
They
didn't
have
control
of
the
hoa,
so
they
couldn't
act
themselves,
and
so
a
lot
of
the
property
owners
had
to
hire
an
attorney
to
try
to
chase
this
person
down.
It
took
several
years.
They
finally
found
them
and
when
they
got
the
individual
filed
bankruptcy,
and
so
now
those
homes
used
to
be
looking
at
a
nice
golf
course.
H
It's
basically
just
a
big
huge
lawn
in
that
area
and
people
don't
have
an
opportunity
really
to
they've
lost
equity
in
their
homes
and
property.
In
that
over
the
years,
I've
produced
a
big
bill.
It
was
a
42-page
bill.
I
think
that
we
had
filed
a
couple
of
years
ago
with
a
lot
of
things.
We
wanted
to
get
into
the
law
to
help
protect
a
lot
of
these
individuals,
whether
they
were
purchasing
property
for
the
first
time
to
make
sure
that
they
knew
what
was
going
on
and
when
we
followed
that
bill.
H
It
drew
a
lot
of
the
concern
from
our
home
builders
association
from
some
of
our
realtors
with
concerns
about
more
paperwork
at
closings
and
the
bankers
got
involved.
As
well
and
I
had
countless
meetings,
mr
chairman,
you
know
you've
been
part
of
those
meetings,
countless
meetings
by
zoom
in
person
to
discuss
concerns
asked
for
redline
editions
of
that
bill
and
there
were
multiple
edits
that
were
done,
multiple
drafts,
but
in
the
end,
always
to
the
same
ends
that
they
were
opposed
to
anything
being
put
into
the
law.
H
It
went
from
a
42
page
bill
down
to
about
11
page
document
when
I
have
three
small
changes
in
this
bill
that
I'll
explain
to
you,
as
I
explained
the
bill
going
through
it,
but
this
effectively
establishes
a
skeleton
in
our
law
system
for
what
the
requirements
are
for
a
lot
of
homeowners
associations.
A
lot
of
people
will
develop
one
or
a
developer
will
issue.
One
they'll
often
hand
write
the
issues
and
file
it
with
the
plat
instead
of
an
official
document
for
the
rules
of
what
hoas
are
so
I'll
go
through
this.
H
Very
briefly,
mr
chairman,
if
you
allow
me
a
section,
one
is
effectively
definitions
and
you
can
see
those
there
section.
Two
is
basically
saying
that
all
homeowners
associations
are
subject
to
this
law.
Section
three
is
that
homeowners
associations
are
responsible
for
reasonable
maintenance
and
repair
of
common
areas
and
that
owners
are
responsible
for
their
lots.
Each
is
responsible
for
their
own
damage.
Section
4
is
requirements
for
a
homeowners
association
board,
which
is
to
effectively
adopt
a
budget.
Collect
assessments
from
members.
Keep
the
records
and
produce
a
financial
statement.
H
Section
5
is
that
owners
can
examine
the
books,
records
and
the
minutes
of
a
homeowner's
association
with
reasonable
notice.
Limitations
to
that
examination
are
in
subsection,
two
of
section
five
and
then
subsection
three
has
to
do
with
prospective
purchasers
and
their
agents
and
what
they
may
see
from
an
hoa
prior
to
a
contract
for
sale
and
subsection.
4
relates
to
inspection
and
copies
of
an
hoa's
documents,
whether
it
be
electronic
or
through
paper.
H
Section
6
is
a
homeowner's
association
fee
for
each
owner
is
equal
unless
allocated
in
the
declaration
and
shall
be
assessed
at
least
annually
section.
Seven
is
if
a
homeowners
association
ceases
to
govern
or
goes
defunct,
which
is
a
lot
of
the
problems
we
have
in
our
state.
It
establishes
how
the
homeowners
association
can
be
revived
by
owners
in
the
homeowners
association.
H
The
new
bylaws
cannot
be
more
restrictive
than
the
original
and
can
make
several
alterations,
as
noted
in
the
bill.
It
also
establishes
the
rules
for
the
organizing
committee
notification
of
current
owners
and
requires
two-thirds
of
the
owners
must
agree
in
writing
or
by
vote
to
revive
it
section
8.
If
a
homeowners
association
fails
to
maintain
infrastructure,
common
area,
watershed,
stormwater
detention
or
retention,
then
a
municipal
authority
can
petition
the
circuit
court
for
an
appointment
of
a
receiver
to
manage
the
affairs
of
a
homeowners
association.
H
This
is
a
section
that
has
been
desired
by
the
kentucky
league
of
cities
for
quite
some
time
and
they're
here
available.
If
anybody
has
any
questions
regarding
that
section,
section,
9
has
to
do
with
common
areas
of
an
hoa
that
are
taken
or
damaged
under
the
power
of
eminent
domain
and
where
those
funds
would
go,
and
then
section
10
has
to
permit
political
signs
30
days
prior
to
an
election,
and
until
seven
days
after
that
was
requested
by
a
particular
senate
member.
H
H
H
There
was
a
section
there
that
says
for
financial
documents.
It
says
that
that
every
year,
180
days
after
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year
on
annually
on
a
date
is
provided
in
the
declaration
or
bylaws
at
the
hoa,
with
total
annual
revenues
of
greater
than
it
used
to
say
one
million
dollars.
I
don't
know
of
too
many
hoas
that
have
annual
revenues
of
a
million
dollars
or
more.
H
This
brings
it
down
to
a
hundred
thousand,
which
still
probably
would
exclude
a
lot
of
the
smaller
homeowners
associations
that
are
out
there,
but
they
have
to
provide
a
financial
statement
of
cash
receipts
and
disbursements.
It
discloses
all
the
sources
of
income
and
expenses
by
account
and
classification.
That's
part
of
the
request
of
that
constituent
I
had
years
ago.
The
second
change
that
I
made
was
also
a
request.
H
It
was
on
page
eight
of
the
bill
section,
seven
subsection
for
subsection
e-
that
if
they
try
to
revive
the
homeowners
association
originally,
what
they
were
recommending
was
that
a
hundred
percent
of
the
owners
had
to
agree
to
revive
it,
and
we
know
that's
gonna,
be
almost
impossible.
H
The
purpose
of
the
bill
is
that
it
would
apply
to
existing
homeowners
association
so
that
they
have
to
provide
this
transparency
and
that
if
something
does
go
defunct,
that
owners
can
revive
their
own
hoa.
They
wanted
only
to
apply
for
new
hoas
coming
forward,
and
so
I
removed
that
clause
out.
Those
are
the
three
changes,
I'm
sure
there'll
be
people
here
with
lots
of
discussions.
Mr
chairman,
as
you
know,
there
are
those
who
want
this
bill
who
want
changes
to
it.
Those
who
just
don't
want
the
bill
to
begin
with.
H
I
think
it's
just
a
matter
of
public
protection
for
a
lot
of
folks
and
consumers
out
there
who
find
themselves
in
homeowners
associations
that
are
suddenly
defunct
developers
who
are
not
maintaining
the
property
they
have
no
control
over
it.
This
at
least
just
puts
on
a
fundamental
base
of
protection
for
people
of
what
needs
to
be
in
the
law.
A
Thank
you
you're
right
and
I'm
we're
going
to
hear
from
them
now
and
then
I'm
going
to
give
you
the
the
opportunity
to
be
the
last
thought
on
it.
You
can
respond
so
far.
I
don't
have
any
questions
yet
I'm
sure
that'll
change,
I'm
going
to
have
the
folks
john
cooper
from
kentucky
bankers,
association
and
elizabeth
delahanty,
with
kentucky
realtors
and
anita
sanford
with
the
home
builders
association.
You
won't
come
on
up.
I've
just
said
who
you
are,
but
you
might
introduce
yourselves
and
then
you
have
the
floor.
I
I
Thank
you
for
giving
us
the
opportunity
this
morning
to
speak
about
our
concerns
about
senate
bill
191.
The
concerns
that
I'm
making
this
morning
are
on
behalf
of
the
three
groups
represented
at
the
table.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
say
that
we
appreciate
all
of
the
work
senator
alvarado
has
put
into
this
bill
and
his
willingness
to
work
with
us
on
our
concerns
regarding
earlier
versions
of
the
bill
and
without
minimizing
the
compromises
that
we
have
that
have
been
made.
We
still
have
a
few
concerns
that
we
believe
are
reasonable
and
absolutely
necessary.
I
The
fees
of
these
hoas
may
only
be
a
hundred
dollars
per
household
per
year,
and
the
hoa's
only
responsibility
is
limited
to
maintaining
a
gazebo
in
the
center
of
the
development
or
the
or
mowing
and
landscaping
the
entrance
to
the
neighborhood.
While
these
are
two
extreme
examples,
we
would
like
to
offer
a
compromise
that
begins
coverage
somewhere
in
between
towards
that
goal
of
continued
compromise.
We
would
like
to
offer
the
following
changes.
First,
the
bill
is
written
applies
to
all
hoas,
regardless
of
when
they
were
created.
I
We
propose
that
the
bill
apply
only
to
hoas,
created
after
the
passage
of
the
bill,
with
the
exceptions
of
section
8
and
10..
Section
8,
as
senator
alvarado
mentioned,
provides
for
local.
The
local
governments
be
allowed
a
method
for
ensuring
that
the
hoa
is
properly
maintaining
common
areas.
Section
10
of
the
bill
provides
for
the
right
of
residents
to
express
their
freedom
of
speech
through
political
signs
on
their
property.
I
If
the
bill
passes,
as
written,
smaller
hoas
may
not
have
the
funds
to
comply
with
the
more
complex
and
sometimes
excessive
oversight.
Provisions
of
this
type
of
bill,
leaving
the
leaders
with
a
difficult
choice,
provide
the
services
required
by
the
governing
documents
or
spend
money
attempting
to
comply
with
these
new
laws.
I
Second,
the
bill
as
written
uses
hoa
revenue
in
the
amount
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
as
a
trigger
for
requirement
of
financial
statements
found
in
section
for
paragraph
three.
That
amount
is
is
much
too
low
and
we
propose
a
trigger
of
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
After
speaking
with
builders
and
developers
who
are
active
in
planned
community
business,
we
have
found
that
the
average
revenue
for
new
community
hoas
is
approximately
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
more
reasonable
trigger.
I
Four
hundred
thousand
makes
sense,
because
the
term
financial
statement
is
a
term
of
art
in
the
financial
community.
It
is
more
than
just
a
list
of
the
amounts
received
and
spent.
It
is
a
document
prepared
by
a
professional
to
show
the
various
type
of
expenditures
as
recognized
by
established
accounting
standards.
It
is
unnecessary,
unnecessarily
complex
for
smaller
hoas.
We
would
suggest
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
a
fair
trigger
in
the
financial
report
requirement
that
any
hoa
below
that
be
considered
exempt.
I
This
would
protect
the
smallest
hoas
from
unnecessary
third-party
expenses
that
are
unrelated
to
the
services
they
are
required
to
provide
to
the
homeowners
and
finally
section
seven
paragraph
four
sub-e
requires
two-thirds
of
the
voting
voting
requirement
to
revive
an
hoa
that
has
been
previously
terminated
in
in
part
or
in
whole.
I
want
to.
I
want
to
re-emphasize
that
this
is
to
revive
an
hoa
that
has
been
previously
terminated
in
whole
or
in
part.
I
We
propose
to
make
that
standard
100
of
those
voting
which
is
different
than
what
we
originally
proposed,
we
would
propose
to
protect
standard
of
100
percent
of
those
originally
voting
makes
more
sense.
This
provision
means
that
a
portion
or
the
entire
community
may
have
voted
to
end
the
hoa
then
unbeknown
to
new
purchasers
and
who,
who
who
might
purchase
this
later
on.
They
may
not
know
of
of
this
vote
any
voting
to
cancel
the
existing
hoa.
I
So
if
they
voted
cancer
they
could
they
could
reinstate
it
after
disbanding
it
by
passage
of
only
two-thirds
of
the
homeowners
in
this
case
of
the
new
homeowners,
they
may
have
specifically
purchased
the
home
because
it
is
in
a
planned
community,
but
it's
without
an
hoa
and
then
it
is
thrust
upon
them.
I
100
of
those
voting
allows
those
who
have
a
strong
opinion
on
a
matter
that
is
already
resolved
to
be
heard,
and
finally,
we
urge
each
of
you
to
remember
that
the
vast
majority,
if
not
all
the
hoas,
are
registered
non-profits
nonprofits
are
already
mandated
to
follow
a
number
of
laws
and
regulations
which
can
be
enforced
if
they
are
not
complied
with.
We
urge
you
to
pass
a
new
law
that
is
carefully
thought
out
without
unintended
consequences
and
burdens.
Thank
you
very
much
and
we
are
happy
to
answer
any
of
your
questions.
A
Thank
you
all.
I
appreciate
it.
Let
me
also
echo
my
thanks.
I
appreciate
the
hard
work
that
all
three
of
your
groups
have
put
into
the
bill,
with
senator
alvarado,
having
been
in
the
room
or
in
the
zoom
or
in
follow-up
meetings
a
number
of
times
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
A
So
I
appreciate
it
and
I
should
have
thanked
senator
alvarado
when
he
was
up
for
his
hard
work,
because
he
has
whittled
this
down
and
tried
to
meet
the
demands
and
the
requests
of
your
your
folks
in
a
lot
of
different
ways
and
has
substantially
carved
down
this
bill,
as
he
mentioned
from
30
or
40
pages
down
to
about
a
dozen.
We
do
have
some
questions,
and
I
don't
know
if
they're
for
this
panel
for
senator
alvarado,
but
I'm
going
to
go
through
them
in
order
senator
wheeler.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
yeah.
I
was
thinking
if
you
know
ralph,
and
I
may
not
always
agree
on
everything,
but
I
do
know
that
he
is
very
diligent
and
thinks
about
his
bills,
so
that
that
that
that
comment
kind
of
surprised
me.
But
you
know,
I
guess
one
thing
and
I
I
do
think
you
bring
up
some
valid
concerns
with
you
know,
overburdening
folks
within
a
community,
but
you
know.
On
the
other
hand,
I
mean,
as
far
as
a
basic
financial
statement
of
what
goes
in
and
what
goes
out.
J
I
just
don't
see
that
as
being
an
extremely
hard
burden,
something
that
they
would
provide
to
the
homeowners
living
there,
because
I
know
my
parents
used
to
own
a
house
in
a
planned
community
and-
and
you
know
the
homeowners
fees
weren't,
necessarily
that
cheap
I
mean
they
were,
I
think,
100
bucks
a
month
now
they
did
mow
the
grass
and
things
like
that,
and
you
know
so,
if
you're
putting
out
twelve
hundred
or
fourteen
hundred
dollars
a
year,
and
you
have
a
pla
community
with
houses
in
it.
J
You
know
I
I
I
think
that
I
value
government
transparency.
I
value
transparency
on
a
local
level.
Why
would
you
it
seems
to
me
if
for
the
preparation
of
a
basic
financial
statement,
I
I
probably
wouldn't
mind
paying
an
additional
five
bucks
more
a
month
to
know
where
my
money's
going
that
some
fly-by-night
guy
is
not
going
to
run
off
and
and
declare
bankruptcy
on
me
after
after
taking
a
bunch
of
money
in,
and
it
seems
fairly
logical
to
me.
I
K
The
problem
that
we
have
with
financial
statement
is
that
it
is
a
term
of
art,
so
a
cpa
would
be
required
to
file
a
financial
statement.
A
financial
statement-
and
I
know
you
guys
know
this,
but
the
nature
of
a
financial
statement
is
it
does
not
tell
you
exactly
how
the
money
is
spent.
It
tells
you
buckets
of
in
and
out
that's
not
giving
the
information
they
can.
K
K
That's
right
and
his
bill
would
cover
transparency
of
other
documents.
The
problem
is:
if
you've
got
someone
cheating,
they're,
they're,
cheating
and
this
this
bill
doesn't
stop
them
from
doing
that.
So
if
you've
got
somebody
who's,
I
mean,
and
his
original
bill
didn't
do
that
either
you
still
have
to
have
someone
enforce
it
so
and-
and
I
felt
really
bad
listening
to
the
stories
that
he
was
telling
about
his
constituents,
who
you
know
the
golf
course
was
not
maintained
and
and
whatnot
you
can
pass
as
many
bills,
and
you
all
know
this.
K
We,
you
have
said
it
many
times.
I've
heard
you
say
it
passing
another
bill
that
one
bill
already
covers
doesn't
make
people
comply
with
the
law.
You
know
so.
You're
still
gonna
have
to
hire
an
attorney
you're
still
going
to
have
to
find
out,
if
he's,
if
they're,
if
they're
stealing
from
it
you're
going
to
have
to
go
to
the
county
attorney
or
someone
and
talk
to
him
about
whether
whether
you
can
enforce
it
through
the
criminal
laws.
J
I
I
think
that
is
a
pretty
good
indicator
or
protection
so
that
you
know
if
senator
alvarado
wanted
to
call
up
community
trust
bank
and
say
I'd
like
to
know,
does
the
homeowners.
I
got
this
from
the
homeowners
association.
Do
they
have
an
account,
and
is
you
know
this
this?
The
balance.
K
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
have
three
quick
questions.
Anybody
on
the
panel.
Do
you?
What
percentage
in
your
opinion
of
hoas
in
kentucky,
have
revenue
of
over
400
000
per
year.
I
I
did
we
did
some
research
checking
most
of
the
newer.
The
newer
hoas
would
have
budgets
in
that
range.
I
checked
my
own
hoa
and
the
budget
is
is
over,
is
is
over
four
hundred
thousand,
but
four
hundred
thousand
would
catch
it.
It's
a
hundred
units
basically-
and
you
know
we-
we
think
that
a
lot
of
these
that
are
very
small,
hoas
senator
west-
and
this
is
the
truth.
They
really
mow
the
front
and
landscape
the
front
entrance
and
that's
pretty
much
all
they
do
and
there's.
F
F
Okay,
moving
on
moving
along
we've
answered
that
question
on
page
four,
where
it
says
prepared
financial
statement.
So
it's
your
all's
opinion
that
that
automatically
means
third-party
preparer.
That's.
K
Well,
the
concern,
of
course,
is
anytime.
There's
going
to
be
a
violation
of
this,
it's
going
to
go
into
court.
The
concern
is
that
a
judge
is
going
to
look
at
the
term
financial
statement.
That's
a
term
of
art
in
the
accounting
world
and
that's
a
that's,
a
prepare,
that's
a
document
that
has
to
be
prepared
by
a
certified
public
accountant,
who's
doing
work.
So,
yes,.
F
It
would
be
a
prepared
document,
senator
alvarado
filed
an
amendment
clarifying
that
financial
statement
does
not
mean
third-party
preparer
and
that
would
take
care
of
that
issue.
K
You
know
up
to
a
hundred
thousand
and
then
a
hundred
thousand
to
four
hundred
thousand
and
four
hundred
thousand
and
greater
would
have
you
know
higher
duties,
the
more
money
they
have.
F
Okay,
my
final
question
is
you
all
mentioned
that
there's
con
it's
comprehensive
and
excessive
oversight
provisions.
What
what
provisions
are
you
saying
or
I.
I
F
I
read
the
bill,
the
the
oversight
provisions
that
I
see
if
we
were
to
change
that
on
page
four,
that
it's
it
doesn't
have
to
be.
A
third
party
prepare
the
financial
statement.
They
could
do
a
quickbooks
financial
statement
if
we
change
it
to
that.
The
way
I
read
the
bill
is
is
the
excessive
oversight
provisions
would
be.
The
hoa
would
need
to
provide
a
financial
statement,
and
if
anybody
in
the
community
asks
for
copies
of
those
financial
statements
make
them
available,
I
don't
see
how
that's
excessive
at
all
and
then
that's.
K
There's
also
the
concern
that
a
legitimate
hoa
and
when
we
give
our
comments
that
that's
what
we're
talking
about
because
again,
if
somebody
is
cheating,
then
someone's
going
to
have
to
look
for
a
way
to
enforce
it.
This
is
not
going
to
change
it.
So
we're
talking
about
a
legitimate
hoa
if,
if
an
existing
hoa
is
complying
with
the
non-profit
laws
and
they've,
had
people
give
them
advice
in
the
past
and
they've
got
everything
in
line
now
they've
got
to
have
someone
come
I
mean
bills.
K
B
Thank
you
chairman.
I
I
keep
hearing
a
number
that
confuses
me
twice
or
maybe
three
times
now.
I've
heard
that
the
average
hoa
has
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
B
K
Well,
that's
why
I
suggested.
Perhaps
we
could
do
a
stepped
approach.
As
I
was
thinking
about
what
he
was
saying.
I
suggested
that
perhaps
we
could
do
a
stepped
approach
that,
where
there's
a
lesser
burden
up
to
a
hundred
thousand,
then
there's
a
nominal
burden
between
100
and
400
and
then
there's
a
higher
burden,
but
over
400.
I
K
K
Could
talk
about
and-
and
that
was
the
term
bob
used-
I'm
not
sure
how
he
came
up
with
average
we'd
have
to
poll
everybody
to
find
that
out,
but
but
I
really
think
that
having
thought
about
it,
a
stepped
approach
makes
more
sense.
Then
you're
not
taking
an
average.
Then
you're
saying
these
are
responsible
for
this.
These
are
responsible
for
this,
and
these
guys
have
to
actually
have
financial
statements
prepared
by
cpas
and.
I
And
to
your
point,
though,
not
go
ahead,
I
know
I
should
promise
the
the
if
you've
got
a
a
an
hoa
that
has
basically
maybe
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
total
revenue
that
comes
in
basically
what
they're
doing
they're
doing
some
mowing
and
they're
doing
some
landscaping
and
that's
about
it,
and
so
you
know
those
to
file
to
file
a
complex
financial
statement
when
that's
really
all
you're
doing,
and
I'm
not
sure
so.
B
K
B
B
I
B
I
A
Note
before
I
call
on
senator
turner
for
our
last
question
that
an
earlier
version
of
senator
alvarado's
bill
did
have
a
stepped
approach
and
did
have
different
tiers
and
I
don't
recall
a
great.
Maybe
you
were
okay
with
that
and
I'm
just
remembering
wrong.
I
remember
being
they're
being
opposition
to
those
tears.
A
K
A
I
just
started
last
year:
senator
turner
wrap
us
up
here
before
I
have
senator
alvarado
finishes.
There's.
E
E
E
I'm
asking
these
questions:
can
it
not
be
just
a
simple
thing
that
shows
all
of
the
payments
made
by
the
owners?
That's
in
that
association
and
the
expenses
that
they
had
from
what
he
says.
They
only
do
the
grass
they
do
the
snow
they
may
upkeep,
like
they
do
in
mine,
the
outside
of
the
buildings.
Can't
that
be
a
simple
financial
statement.
Well,.
K
E
K
K
K
H
K
E
A
H
H
Some
of
the
comments
are
disingenuous
to
say
that
they
don't
know
the
stories
I've,
given
those
stories,
senator
you've
been
president
what
I've
given
those
stories
these
organizations
have
heard
these.
These
are
my
friends.
These
are
folks
that
I
work
with
and
but
they've
heard
the
stories
they
know
it.
They
came
back
with
this
document
saying
we
know
what
you
want
to
get
accomplished.
This
is
our
solution
to
this.
For
you,
the
term
financial
statement
is
their
term
that
they've
put
into
this
the
amount
isn't
what
they
want.
H
H
By
account
and
classification,
that's
in
the
statute,
that's
what
we
proposed
here
today
when
they've
recommended
stepped
approaches,
we've
had
those
they've
redlined
those
editions
for
me,
I've
got
copies
of
those
in
my
office,
I'll,
be
happy
to
show
you
how
those
were
broken
down,
because
when
that
recommendation
was
made,
I
included
that
in
previous
editions
of
this
bill.
This
is
what
they've
provided
me
here
today,
and
this
is
what
we're
using
is
what
their
recommendations
were.
This
bill
would
help
the
situation
I
had
in
mount
sterling.
H
Those
folks
would
have
loved
to
maintain
their
hoa.
They
had
no
recourse
on
how
to
revive
it,
and
this
would
allow
them
to
done
that
they
would
have
gotten
that
as
well.
So,
just
with
that
said,
you
can
see
if
the
argument
is
over
something
as
simple
as
a
financial
statement
that
defines
what
has
to
be
in
it
in
the
statute.
There's
a
lot
of
folks
in
my
district
that
have
said
I
can't
even
get
that
information,
and
then
they
get
the
run
around
and
people
are
having
a
lack
of
transparency.
H
A
Thank
you
senator.
I
appreciate
that
we've
got
a
motion
in
a
second
on
the
bill.
Adam
secretary,
please
call
the
roll.
A
B
I
vote
I
I
thank
the
senator
from
trying
to
learn
clark
for
bringing
this
forward.
I
don't
know
if
you
all
remember,
but
several
years
back,
you
know
we
had
a
horrible
incident
at
homeowners,
association
in
in
louisville
where
people
were
killed.
B
There
is
a
lot
of
people
are
invested
in
their
homes,
they're
invested
in
their
homeowners
associations,
and
I
was
completely
unaware
that
we
that
it
wasn't
regulated.
So
I
I
appreciate
this
and
thank
you
very
much.
C
Senator
schroeder
sure
explain
my
vote.
Thank
you.
I
vote
I
today
I
know
senator
alvarado
has
been
working
on
this
for
a
number
of
years.
We've
talked
about
it
expressed
my
concerns
in
the
past.
I
appreciate
the
changes
he's
made.
I
appreciate
him
listening
to
the
groups
that
have
expressed
concerns,
I'm
going
to
be
a
yes
now
committee,
but
I'll
continue
to
listen
to
the
groups
that
have
those
concerns.
Thank
you.
E
Explain
my
vote.
Mr
yes,
sir,
I
vote
I
and
I
also
have
spoken
to
sending
out
our
good
senator,
that's
clark.
That's
provided
this
bill
to
me
and
went
over
it
some.
I
look
forward
to
working
with
him.
There
are
some
things
that
I
don't
want
to
agree
with
as
they're
written,
but
I
think
it's
it's
a
good
bill.
Moving
forward,
I'm
in
a
small
hl,
oea
and
I
think
it's
got
good
benefits
just
needs
some
revisions.
Under
my
thing
and
as
you
saw,
I
was
asking
that
question.
Thank
you,
mr.
J
Chairman
explain
my
eye
vote.
Yes,
sir.
I
think
this
is
a
good
bill.
I
think
it
protects
people
that
live
in
a
community,
and
you
know
I
think
so.
Senator
alvarado
made
some
points
today
that
it's
worthwhile
too.
I
mean
it's
pretty
bad.
J
If
you
hand
somebody
a
bill
and
come
down
here
and
and
act
like
that,
this
is
that
you're
now
against
it
and
throw
somebody
under
the
bus-
and
I
really
think
that
you
know
people
ought
to
think
about
that-
a
little
bit
more
to
to
actually
kind
of
help,
somebody
out
and
and
then
and
then
kind
of,
come
down
here
and
start
saying
things
that,
I
think
essentially
very
politely
said,
simply
aren't
correct.