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A
Like
ever
everybody's
attention,
like
call
this
third
meeting
of
the
ag
committee
together,
it
was
like
we
got
a
good
crowd
here
today
and
we
got
several
bills
that
are
gonna
be
on
the
agenda.
Today
I
will
tell
everyone
and
representative
callaway,
I
guess
already
left
or
I
apologize
to
representative
callaway.
We
are
not
we're
going
to
pass
over
your
bill
today,
but
I
apologize
for
not
getting
to
you
sooner
on
that
want
to
remind
everybody
to
silence
their
phones.
A
B
C
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Anybody
else,
if
not
I'm
gonna,
step
away
from
the
chair
and
turn
it
over
to
vice
chair,
senator
caslin.
D
Good
morning
committees,
so
we
are
going
to
start
with
senate
bill
170
and
if
commissioner
corles,
joe
milley
senator
hornbach,
wants
to
come
forward,
and
so
this
meeting
guys
we're
going
to
be
on
a
really
tight
schedule,
and
so
I'm
going
to
ask
that
we
make
our
comments
short.
D
We
stay
on
like
15
minutes,
because
there
is
people
to
sign
up
to
speak
in
opposition
to
this,
and
if
those
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
in
opposition,
I
know
you're
going
to
be
limited
to
about
10
or
15
minutes
as
well,
and
so,
if
you
all
want
to
decide
who
wants
to
come
to
the
table,
to
try
to
keep
our
comments
short
we're
going
to
take
a
vote
at
11,
35
sharp.
Thank
you.
A
Mr
chairman,
I
bring
to
you
senate
bill
170
today
because
we're
talking
about
a
product
that
back
in
2014
when
I
did
senate
bill
50
and
also
also
in
2018
when
they
did
the
farm
bill.
We
were
all
very
aware
of
the
different
kind
of
alloys.
There
were
numerous
cannabidilloids
within
hemp
and
different
ways
to
use
them
different
ways
to
extract
them.
We
weren't
always
aware
of
what
those
uses
and
those
extraction
methods
would
be
and
with
delta
8.
A
E
E
You
know
back
in
2013,
senator
hornbach
and
you
all
passed
senate
bill
50
that
really
laid
the
framework
for
kentucky
that
if
the
federal
government
gave
us
permission
to
bring
back
this
crop
that
is
really
connected
to
our
state's
history
back
then
I
was
a
legislator
like
you
and
the
people
that
were
there
to
help
advocate
and
get
this
passed
came
before
this
august
body
and
said
this
is
about
hemp
production
and
not
intoxicating
substances.
E
E
Not
a
word
was
said
about
hemp
being
about
intoxicating
substances.
Then
in
2018
the
federal
government
passed
the
2018
farm
bill.
I
was
in
the
white
house,
then,
both
the
trump
white
house
and
the
trump
u.s
secretary
of
agriculture
and
now
the
biden
white
house
and
now
the
biden
u.s
secretary
of
agriculture
have
endorsed
the
current
framework
and
regulatory
aspects
of
hemp
nationwide
and
so
to
get
to
the
point
now
in
2022,
we
find
ourselves
in
a
dispute
about
a
substance,
an
intoxicating
substance
that
did
not
exist
in
2013,
with
senator
senate
bill
50.
E
That
did
not
exist
in
2017,
with
senate
bill
218
or
in
2018,
with
the
2018
farm
bill,
a
substance
called
delta
8.,
and
just
to
give
you
perspective
on
this.
Even
recreational
drug
states
like
colorado
and
massachusetts
have
banned
this
substance
in
their
states
and
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
hand
it
over
to
joe
bilby
for
a
technical
discussion
about
exactly
what
delta
8
is
and
is
not.
F
Thank
you,
commissioner,
in
your
packets
committee
members,
there's
a
printout
of
a
document
put
out
last
september
by
the
fda.
F
It's
titled
five
things
to
know
about
delta,
eight
thc,
it's
as
good
a
primer
as
you'll,
find
anywhere
about
what
this
stuff
is.
The
five
key
points
and
I'll
read
them
aloud
for
those
who
don't
have
a
copy
of
the
the
packets
or
the
slides
I'll.
Just
read
it
aloud
real
quick,
because
this
is
succinct
as
I
can
make
it
point
number
one
delta.
Eight
thc
products
have
not
been
evaluated
or
approved
by
the
fda
for
safe
use
and
may
be
marketed
in
ways
that
put
the
public
health
at
risk.
F
Number
two:
the
fda
has
received
adverse
event:
reports
involving
delta,
eight
thc
products,
number
three:
it
has
psychoactic
and
intoxic
psychoactive
and
intoxicating
effects,
unlike
cbd.
Four.
It
often
involves
the
use
of
potentially
harmful
chemicals
to
create
concentrations
of
delta,
eight
that
do
not
appear
anywhere
in
nature
and,
lastly,
that
these
products
must
be
kept
out
of
the
reach
of
children
and
pets,
because,
when
consumed
by
children,
they
can
lead
to
devastating
medical
consequences.
F
I
know,
mr
chairman,
that
we've
been
told
to
keep
it
brief,
so
I'm
going
to
skip
through
some
of
the
program
highlights,
but
suffice
it
to
say
those
of
you
who've,
been
following
him
for
years,
know
that
there
was
a
a
rapid
buildup
in
hemp
production
between
2015
and
2019.
in
2019.
Kentuckians
grew
more
than
25
000
acres
of
hemp.
F
Just
in
2019.,
of
course,
that
was
far
too
much
hemp
for
the
market
and,
as
a
result,
we've
seen
an
overhang
or
a
glut
in
the
marketplace
where
farmers
who
grew
hemp
for
the
purpose
of
cbd
have
found
themselves
unable
to
find
a
buyer
and
because
those
farmers
find
themselves
in
that
bad
situation,
they're
interested
in
opportunities
to
market
other
cannabinoids
other
things
that
might
be
derived
from
that
hemp.
That's
hanging
in
their
barn,
so
that's
kind
of
a
background
on
the
on
the
legalities
of
it.
F
The
definition
of
hemp
is
a
legal
one:
it's
not
a
biological
one.
It
was
first
created
in
congress
back
in
2014,
and
at
that
point
it
was
pretty
simple.
Congress
defined
hemp
as
any
part
of
the
plant,
whether
growing
or
not,
with
a
delta
nine
thc
concentration
of
not
more
than
zero,
three
percent
on
a
dry
weight
basis.
F
F
This
general
assembly
recognized
that
for
for
it
to
make
sense
to
have
a
working
hemp
program
in
kentucky
federal
law
and
state
law
must
have
the
same
definition
of
him.
You
couldn't
have
one
definition
in
the
state
and
the
second
definition
in
the
federal
law,
so
this
body
adopted
the
identical
verbiage
from
the
congressional
bill.
G
F
Those
carvats
still
appear
today
in
state
law's
definition
of
marijuana
well
in
2018
farm
build.
The
congress
decided
to
resolve
the
ambiguity
clear
up
that
so-called
gray
area
by
making
clear
that
derivatives
extracts,
cannabinoids,
isomers,
salts
and
salts
of
isomers
are
also
considered
hemp
and
therefore
legal
under
federal
law.
The
very
next
year
this
legislature
adopted
that
same
modernized
definition
in
order
to
maintain
that
congruence
between
state
law
and
federal
law
at
the
top
level.
F
The
legal
dispute
that
brings
us
here
today,
zeroes
in
on
two
words
in
particular
within
that
updated
definition
of
hemp
derivatives
and
extracts
congress,
did
not
provide
a
definition
for
what
those
terms
mean.
So
there's
some
room
for
reasonable
doubt
as
to
whether
or
not
a
substance
that
is
extracted
from
the
plant
and
then
in
a
laboratory
setting
transformed
into
something
different
through
a
chemical
conversion.
Is
that
still
an
extract?
Is
that
still
a
derivative?
F
F
So
we
received
these
inquiries
and
we
talked
about
it
internally
and
realized
that
the
situation
was
not
crystal
clear,
but
we
felt
obligated
to
do
our
level
best
to
answer
that
question.
We
get
questions
all
the
time
from
hemp
program,
participants
about
what
the
law
is,
and
one
of
the
hallmarks
of
our
program
has
been
that
we're
willing
to
answer
questions
even
when
they're
difficult
ones
doing
our
best
to
eliminate
the
uncertainty
and
ambiguity
that
any
entrepreneur
faces
when
going
into
this
new
legal
space.
F
So
in
on
april
19th
of
last
year,
I
issued
a
letter
to
our
population
of
licensees,
both
growers
and
processors,
opining
that
delta,
nine,
I'm
sorry
delta.
Eight
thc
remains
illegal
under
federal
law
and
state
law.
In
the
slide
deck
you
have
before
you,
you
can
see
the
five
step
analysis
that
I
went
through
though
I
recognize.
Mr
chairman,
you've
asked
us
to
be
brief
and
I'm
going
to
do
my
best
not
to
labor
the
separate
paragraphs
of
that
letter.
F
But
the
key
point
again
is
whether
or
not
derivatives
and
extracts
includes
a
substance,
a
chemical
substance
that
was
taken
out
of
the
plant
and
then
in
a
laboratory
setting
turned
into
something
different.
It's
true
that
delta
eight
thc
does
occur
in
very
small
trace
amounts
in
the
plant.
According
to
one
expert,
they
appear
in
less
than
two
percent
of
hemp
plants
and
the
concentration
levels
is
less
than
two
percent
of
one
percent.
So
it's
a
tiny
shadow
of
the
amount
of
delta
nine
thc,
that's
naturally
occurring
in
the
plant.
F
Every
cbd
product
on
the
market
today
is
synthetically
created.
There
is
no
market.
There
is
no
product
you
can
buy
today.
That
is
exclusively
extracted
from
the
hemp
plant
and,
according
to
one
expert
to
generate
one
kilogram
of
all-natural
derived
thc,
a
delta
athc
would
cost
500
million
dollars
per
kilo.
Of
course
that's
prohibitively
expensive.
So
I
want
to
say
with
certainty
that
we
know
that
all
the
products
that
are
on
the
market
today
are
are
synthetic
in
nature
recognizable.
F
I
will
say
that
there
was
a
lawsuit
filed
against
the
department,
I
believe
in
july
of
last
year.
It
was
brought
by
three
plaintiffs,
including
a
group
that
is
an
association
of
hemp,
related
industries,
they've
filed
in
boone
circuit
court
against
both
the
kentucky
department
of
agriculture
and
the
kentucky
state
police,
and
their
contention
was
that.
H
F
Two
agencies
had
misinterpreted
both
federal
and
state
law
and
that
the
congress
and
the
general
assembly
by
adopting
that
language
in
the
definition
of
hemp
had
whether
it
intended
to
or
not
legalized,
delta
8,
thc
and
other
intoxicating
cannabinoids,
including
intoxicating
cannabinoids,
that
were
created
in
a
laboratory
having
forced
that
chemical
conversion.
Now
we
disagree
with
that,
and
so
did
our
friends
the
kentucky
state
police,
we've
litigated
that
lawsuit
in
the
boone
circuit
court.
F
Up
to
this
point,
and
just
last
night,
there
was
a
ruling
from
the
judge
granting
a
temporary
injunction
against
the
department
of
agriculture
and
against
the
department
of
state
police
preventing
those
two
agencies
from
taking
any
action
against
an
individual
who
was
making
delta
eight
thc
products.
So
long
as
those
delta,
eight
thc
products
didn't
have
a
delta
9
concentration
of
0.9.
F
However,
the
statute
exempts
all
derivatives
extracts
cannabinoids,
isomers,
so
long
as
it
contains
less
than
three
percent
delta
nine
thc
on
a
dry
weight
basis.
Then
the
court
writes.
The
court
agrees
with
commissioner
quarles
that
it
is
not
the
province
of
this
court
to
establish
policy
or
to
make
change
or
repeal
law
that
is
solely
the
role
of
the
legislative
branch
courts
adjudicate
based
upon
the
law.
Thus,
if
only
natural
hemp
unadulterated
by
any
chemical
is
worthy
of
exemption,
then
congress
and
the
general
assembly
could
have
made
their
statutes
say,
so
they
did
not.
F
Likewise,
if
the
extraction
or
production
of
derivatives
using
non-hemp
solvents
should
have
remained
a
controlled
substance,
then
the
legislators
could
have
by
statute
said
so
they
did
not.
Nor
did
the
legislative
body
choose
to
limit
delta
8
concentrations,
as
it
did
with
delta
9
thc
again
they
could
have,
but
did
not.
Courts
cannot
question
the
wisdom
or
policy
of
the
general
assembly,
but
rather
must
follow
the
plain
provisions
of
its
enactment.
F
So
the
reasoning
of
the
court
is
that
that
definition
adopted
by
the
congress
in
2018
and
by
this
body
in
2019
has
the
effect
of
legalizing
intoxicating
substances
synthetically
created
from
cbd.
We
believe
that
senate
bill
170
would
resolve
this
ambiguity
and
answer
the
question
once
and
for
all.
That
remains
the
policy
of
the
general
assembly
and
therefore
of
the
commonwealth,
that
intoxicating
substances
are
not
legal
for
distribution
or
manufacture
in
kentucky
and
I'll.
Stop
there,
sir,
to
yield
to
any
questions
that
members
of
the
committee
may
have.
D
We
do
have
a
few
questions,
senator
thayer
at
this
time.
C
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
guess
this
question
is
really
probably
for
joe
more
than
anybody
else
are
we
just
is
this
bill
just
aiming
to
plug
a
hole
in
the
law?
Is?
Is
this
a
situation
where
delta
9
delta
8
didn't
exist
in
in
these
applicable
terms,
when
congress
and
the
state
legislature
passed
bills
on
that
involved
and
dealt
with
delta,
nine
yeah.
F
The
the
main
point
of
this
bill,
sir,
is
to
resolve
and
sweep
aside
any
ambiguity
and
make
clear
that,
as
a
matter
of
state
law
from
this
point
forward,
intoxicating
substances
like
delta
h
thc
remain
prohibited
in
the
commonwealth.
Now
I
want
to
make
sure
make
one
point
else.
I
don't
want
to
leave
unsaid
the
fact
that
the
step
the
the
bill
would
also
prohibit
the
distribution
of
certain
categories
of
products
like
joints,
chewable,
hemp
products,
other
smokables,
that
by
regulation
the
department
has
treated
as
prohibited
for
years,
and
we
figure.
F
C
To
answer
any
questions,
can
I
have
a
follow-up
question
too
so
is
this?
Is
it
safe
to
say
that
this
is
kind
of
just
part
of
an
evolutionary
process
in
a
new
industry
where
we're
going
to
continue
to
see
things
that
are
that
come
out
of
him
and
hemp
development
and
we
have
to
address
these
as
they
come
up?
C
C
D
Well,
thank
you
all
for
your
presentation
at
this
time,
if
katie
moyer
and
any
other
guests
that
would
like
to
speak,
want
to
make
their
way
to
the
table
announce
themselves
for
the
record,
if
you
guys
can
keep
it
to
about
eight
minutes.
That'll
allow
members
to
ask
questions
at
the
end
of
years
and
then
we're
going
to
try
to
have
a
vote
at
11
35.
I
So,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today
in
opposition
to
senate
bill
170..
My
name
is
katie
moyer.
I
was
recently
elected
as
president
of
the
kentucky
hemp
association,
whose
senate
bill
170
would
ban
the
sale
of
delta
eight
products
here
in
kentucky
for
everyone
else
in
the
committee
delta.
Eight
is
a
naturally
occurring
compound
within
the
cannabis
plant
delta.
8
thc
is
derived
from
cbd,
which
is
extracted
from
naturally
grown
hemp
plants.
I
I
We've
also
provided
the
lrc
with
a
copy
of
a
letter
written
to
the
alabor
alabama
board
of
pharmacy,
which
states
that
delta
8
has
been
removed
from
the
controlled
substance
act
by
the
passage
of
the
federal
ag
improvement
act
of
2018
the
2018
farm
bill.
It's
also
in
your
packet.
So
why
are
we
here?
In
april
2021?
I
The
kentucky
hemp
association
was
notified
with
a
legal
opinion
from
department
of
agriculture's
joe
bilby,
that
delta
8
is
a
controlled
substance
and
that
it
was
illegal
under
federal
law.
I've
already
stated
that
federal
law
recognizes
just
the
opposite,
and
it
states
that
it
that
it
is
legal
under
current
federal
law.
I
repeat,
it
is
legal.
Under
current
federal
law,
the
kentucky
statutes
state
that
the
state's
hemp
policy
is
to
promote
the
expansion
of
the
commonwealth's
hemp
industry
to
the
maximum
extent
permitted
under
federal
law.
I
I
Ksp
also
confiscated
products
containing
delta,
8
thc
from
merchants
who
have
lost
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
or
more.
The
kda
didn't
agree
with
the
kentucky
hemp
association
on
our
position,
which
is
not
a
problem,
but
we
were
kind
of
backed
into
a
wall,
so
we
were
forced
to
file
suit
against
them.
On
july,
16
2021.
I
I
As
of
yesterday,
as
general
counsel
mentioned,
the
boone
circuit
court
entered
a
temporary
injunction
siding
with
our
association
on
this
issue,
so
we
have
always
wanted
to
be
proactive
as
a
trade
association.
I've
testified
in
this
committee
before
on
multiple
hemp
issues
along
with
kda
and
other
departments.
So
we
came
to
frankfurt.
Last
week
we
met
with
chairman
hornback
last
thursday
february
24th.
I
In
those
discussions
we
stated
that
this
bill
is
premature
because
the
lawsuit's
still
going
on.
Furthermore,
we
also
stated
that
we,
we
would
prefer
to
see
certain
measures
be
taken
to
regulate
these
products,
as
opposed
to
just
an
outright
ban,
harming
farmers
and
processors
and,
quite
frankly,
losing
a
lot
of
jobs.
I
We
agreed
to
the
following
things:
no
person
under
the
age
of
21
would
be
allowed
to
purchase
any
product
containing
delta.
Eight
all
products
containing
delta
eight
would
be
sold
behind
the
counter
away
from
the
normal
display
shelves
and
all
products
containing
delta
8
would
also
carry
a
certificate
of
analysis
on
all
packaging
to
ensure
that
the
proper
authorities,
as
well
as
the
consumers,
can
clearly
see
all
the
ingredients
in
the
product.
I
We
worked
with.
Lrc
staff
to
make
these
changes
on
thursday
afternoon
friday
morning,
we
were
notified
that
chairman
hornback
decided
to
run
the
bill,
as
is
without
you
know,
without
using
our
language
and
that
thus,
a
statewide
ban
on
all
delta
eight
products
would
occur
if
this
bill
passes
and
gets
signed
by
the
governor.
I
A
Just
a
comment-
and
I
did
meet
with
katie
and
several
other
her
group
last
week,
and
I
will
tell
the
members
that
when
I
look
at
this
product
and
the
recommendations
you
all
have-
which
I
agree
with-
and
I
told
you
and
I'm
a
farmer-
and
I
want
to
see
the
farmers
raise
and
sell
as
much
of
this
product
as
they
can,
but
it
gets
into
the
fact
that
it's
can
be
a
hallucinogenic
product
that
can
have
serious
health
consequences
because
of
the
residual
amount
of
the
chemicals
that
are
used
in
the
process
and
that
we've
had
kids
that
have
been
going
to
the
hospital
to
the
doctors
and
had
serious
problems.
A
Because
of
this,
and
this
gets
more
with
the
hallucinogenic
properties
that
this
product
can
have
in
delta.
Eight,
like
I
told
you
all
when
I
called
you
back
and
said,
I
was
gonna
run
the
bill
like
I
like.
I
had
it
we're
talking
about
medical
marijuana,
and
I
told
all
of
you
all
that
that
was
a
a
different
conversation
for
a
different
time
and
that's
never.
What
hemp
was
intended
to
be.
Never
was
it
intended
when
I
did
senate
bill
50
or
when
congress
did
the
farm
bill
to
be
on
hallucinogenic
product.
Thank
you.
D
C
Howe.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Just
a
couple
of
quick
questions.
One
is
this
product
made
like
meth
is
made.
Do
you
use
battery
acid
in
the
process.
I
No,
absolutely
not
now
you
know
china
other
places
there
there
we
really
don't
have
regulations
on
how
they
can
make
it
and,
quite
frankly,
people
can
make
anything
in
their
bathtubs,
but
that
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
want
to
have
a
regulatory
framework
on
this,
so
that
we
can
show
the
certificate
of
analysis
that
that
shows
trace,
trace
chemicals.
Anything
left
over.
We
do
that
anyway.
We
do
that
for
hemp
plants.
I
We're
we're
not
now
we
have
some
standards
that
are
going
to
be
just
the
same
across
the
industry,
so
we
have
food
health
and
safety
standards
that
we
have
to
meet.
Many
of
us
are
fda,
approved
some
of
the
laboratories
that
work
work
and
within
the
hemp
industry
are
also
dea
registered
labs.
So
we
do
have
regulations
that
maintain
safety
standards,
but
nothing
specific
to
delta.
Eight,
currently.
J
Hi,
I'm
john
canarborg
and
my
business
partner,
alan
huang,
we
own
shine
labs
in
gen
rev
industries
in
franklin,
kentucky
a
little
bit
about
our
background
allen,
founded
ipower,
a
guardian
supply
company,
that's
currently
traded
on
the
nasdaq
and
has
over
120
million
in
sales
I'm
born
and
raised
in
iowa.
J
I
founded
a
lot
of
tech
companies
in
los
angeles
and
got
into
the
hemp
industry
in
2017..
In
2019
we
saw
the
growth
of
the
hemp
industry
and
understood.
Moving
closer
to
the
supply
was
key
to
scaling
to
an
industrial
size.
We
chose
kentucky
because
of
its
long
history
with
hemp
and
his
business
friendly
environment.
J
J
J
Currently,
our
products
are
sold
in
more
than
2000
stores
nationwide,
with
at
least
150
of
those
stores
in
kentucky
combined,
our
businesses
employ
150
people
with
70
of
them
being
female
and
40
minorities.
The
vast
majority
of
our
staff
are
recent
college
graduates,
mostly
from
western
kentucky
university.
J
These
young
individuals
are
ambitious,
interested
and
working
and
interested
in
working
in
new,
exciting,
emerging
emerging
industries
such
as
hemp,
and
want
to
work
in
a
startup
environment.
We
are
proud
to
call
kentucky
our
home
and
we
have
cultivated
an
amazing
team
with
a
family-like
company
culture.
We
even
have
seven
employees
who
are
all
related.
J
We
fully
support
age
restrictions,
testing
regulations,
labeling
requirements
for
our
industry.
We
currently
go
above
and
beyond
our
regulatory
requirements
by
using
a
proprietary
software
program
that
our
team
has
developed.
We
can
provide
from
any
product
that
our
company
produces.
We
can
track
it
all
the
way
back
to
which
hemp
field
it
came
from
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
J
D
Okay,
so
we're
getting
close
to
have
to
take
a
vote.
I'm
gonna
make
a
comment
here,
real
quick,
you
know,
as
a
farmer,
myself
and
and
being
from
the
part
of
the
state
where
there's
a
lot
of
hemp
grown.
Paul
glover
is
in
my
district
and
and
a
very
respected
friend
of
mine,
and
I
believe,
one
of
the
best
hemp
growers
in
the
state
of
kentucky
as
long
as
he's
been
in
it
and
he
does
a
wonderful
job
and
and
I've
been
very
supportive
of
them
for
a
long
long
time.
D
But
as
we
study
this
I
do,
I
do
have
some
concerns
with
the
delta
8
and
would
want
to
be
educated
a
little
bit
more
into
these
things.
As
as
we
move
this
process
forward,
but
in
no
shape
form
or
fashion
do
I
think
anybody
on
this
committee
is
trying
to
hurt
small
businesses
or
the
or
the
kentucky
hemp
farmer
out
there
right
now.
D
D
H
Chairman
thank
you,
and
I
want
to
briefly
comment
on
john
and
alan,
their
investment
in
the
commonwealth
and
how
much
we
appreciate
the
risk
they're
taking
and
and
the
endeavor
that
they've
launched.
It's
not
easy
to
be
an
entrepreneur
anywhere
in
the
united
states
anywhere
in
the
world.
Thank
you
for
choosing
kentucky
sincerely.
Thank
you
and
don't
don't
close
the
door
too
quick.
H
This
is
a
tough
issue
for
a
lot
of
folks.
We've
got
young
people
that
we
want
to
protect.
H
D
D
Explain
my
vote
again.
Like
I
said
a
minute
ago,
I
have
utmost
respect
for
the
hemp
industry
and
what
you
all
do
and
echo
senator
gibbons
remarks
of
don't
close
the
door
and
don't
let
this
be
the
end
of
what
you
are
doing
and
we
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you've
done
in
this
industry
and
I
know
in
my
district
it's
a
big
thing
as
well.
I
vote
I.
L
A
In
fact
explained
my
eye
vote,
mr
chairman,
you
know
I
wish
that
katie
and
jonathan
I
wish
we'd
gotten
together
before
last
thursday.
I
think
there
was
was
opportunity
to
get
some
things
done.
I
still
believe,
like
I
said
earlier,
that
hemp
was
never
imagined.
When
I
drafted
the
first
bill
when
congress
passed
it,
it
was
never
imagined
to
be
some
type
of
intoxicating
material.
A
That
was
not
the
intent
of
it
and,
like
I
said
it
was
more
of
a
talk
about
medical
marijuana,
but
there
are
great
benefits,
like
I
told
both
of
you
all
to
the
product.
I
mean
I've
heard
a
lot
of
people
say
that,
but
it
the
risk
to
the
public
and
the
way
it's
been
done,
and
the
hemp
commission
and
others
seeing
that
this
could
be
a
product
with
higher
thc
levels.
A
A
D
K
A
K
Thank
you
committee.
My
name
is
julie,
rocky
adams.
I
am
the
senator
from
district,
and
I
think
that
this
is
the
very
very
first
time
that
I
have
ever
been
in
front
of
the
ag
committee.
So
this
is
an
honor
to
be
in
front
of
you
all
today,
you
know
being
from
louisville.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
agriculture
bills
that
come
out.
So
it's
really
nice
to
be
here
with
me
today
is
my
friend,
michelle
lawson.
K
Michelle
is
my
son
is
calling
me
michelle
is
a
constituent
we
actually
live
pretty
close
to
each
other,
and
michelle
started.
An
organization
called
kentucky
animal
action,
and
michelle
is
the
one
who
brought
this
bill
to
me
now.
This
bill
is
not
new.
The
language
has
been
out
there,
for
it
has
been
circulating
for
a
couple
of
years.
Cove
had
never
allowed
it
to
see
the
light
of
day,
but
because
we
were
able
to
have
those
extensive
conversations
with
a
lot
of
the
people
who
care
about
this
issue.
K
You
know
what
we
see
is
that
it's
really
unfair
for
shelters
and
counties
to
have
to
pay
for
the
often
debilitating
cost
of
caring
for
seized
animals
when
it
is
the
owner
who
is
legally
responsible
for
the
animals.
So
I
think
counties
will
embrace
this
because
it's
a
real
cost-saving
measure
for
them
and,
having
said
that,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
michelle
so
that
she
can
give
you
some
more
details
about
the
bill.
G
I've
lived
my
entire
life
on
this
earth
as
a
kentuckian.
I'm
proud
of
this
great
state,
as
it
weren't
as
wonderful
as
kentucky
is
there's
always
room
for
improvement,
always
room
to
grow.
It's
my
personal
personal
mission
to
make
kentucky
a
better
place.
I've
heard
stories
of
financial
hardships
from
the
early
20th
century
and
the
20s
and
30s,
and
at
no
time
in
my
life,
has
budget
ever
been
more
important
than
it
is
right
now.
G
G
I'm
going
to
name
a
couple
cases
just
to
give
you
some
ideas
of
counties
affected
across
the
state
elliott,
county
109
animals
seized.
This
is
actually
an
old
estimate.
The
cost
is
actually
much
more
than
this,
but
about
a
year
ago,
that
price
was
75
000,
I'm
sure
it's
probably
doubled.
By
now,
fayette
county
135
cats
seized
80,
000
franklin,
county
38
pit
bulls,
6,
700
spencer
county
had
one
of
the
longest
standing
cases
known
to
advocates
across
the
state
and
in
2004
spencer.
G
M
My
name
is
actually
joy
keely.
This
is
an
old
email
that
this
is
attached
to
and
I'm
retired
law
enforcement
from
jefferson
county.
I
have
seen
the
cases
that
michelle
alluded
to
in
jefferson,
county
and
other
counties.
M
It
is
my
understanding
that
this
mirrors
quite
closely
actually
to
the
way
things
are
handled
on
a
other
in
other
states
successfully
and,
as
michelle
said,
this
would
be
a
cost-saving
savings
to
every
single
county
in
the
state,
as
well
as
all
taxpayers
of
the
state.
A
D
Thank
you
all
for
the
presentation
and
julie
yesterday
you
and
I
had
a
great
conversation
so
as
we
were
just
going
through
the
presentation
being
a
commercial
farmer
in
in
davis,
county
kentucky
and
cattle
and
there's
several
large
hog
operations
and
everything
else.
The
word
animal
is
that
going
to
include
all
animal
and
is
there
any
exclusion
for
livestock
in
this
particular
measure-
and
I
just
just
noticed
this
and
just
thought
about
that
for
a
minute
sure.
G
This
is
aimed,
and
it
does
include
all
animals,
but
this
is
aimed
at
domestic,
animal
hoarding
and
and
those
kind
of
cases
that
are
currently
being
pursued.
It's
not
it's
not
intended
to
change
what
animal
controls
are
already
pursuing
joy.
Do
you
have
something
to
add
to
that?
G
M
I
agree
this
is
exactly
what
animal
control
is
already
dealing
with
across
the
state
and
in
their
jobs.
So
this
is
not
no
different.
The
animals,
the
word
animals
is
no
different
than
what
they
deal
with
anyway.
D
When
we
leave
the
house,
our
dogs
sit
on
the
front
porch,
we've
had
them
picked
up
before,
because
they
were
walking
down
the
side
of
the
road
on
our
family
farm
and
we
had
to
go
pick
them
up
at
the
pound,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
was
no
way
that
this
would
be
considered.
Part
of
that
of
abandonment,
or
something
like
that.
So.
K
Right
and
that
your
point
is
very
well
taken,
and
I
look
forward
to
if
we
can,
you
know,
maybe
do
an
amendment
to
satisfy
those
concerns.
I'd
be
happy
to
entertain
that.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
My
question
was
regards
the
kind
of
the
backside
of
this.
So
you
know
in
these
animal
hoarding
cases.
This
is
just
my
opinion.
I
think
it's
true,
but
one
of
the
main
reasons
these
people
have
the
animals
taken
from
them
is
their
inability
to
feed
and
care
for
them
a
lot
of
times.
They've
run
out
of
money
anyway,
and
they
don't
have
any
money
to
properly
feed
the
animals.
So
once
once
we
take
once
the
county
files,
an
action
and
you
take
the
animals.
L
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
this
bill
and
how
they
apply
across
the
nation
and
other
jurisdictions
and
having
practiced
animal
law
myself
in
jurisdictions
across
the
state.
M
I
feel
the
counties,
but
you
know
that
I'm
very
big
proponent
of
private
property
interest
and
due
process
and
and
who
ends
up
sometimes
benefiting
from
these
situations,
are
rescues
and
other
entities
that
actually
work
to
target
and
eliminate
purebred
breeders
and
other
entities
and
what
I've
found
that,
if
a
the
definition
standards
are
usually
vague
and
jurisdictions
regarding
prosecutions
are
not
consistent
and
in
the,
if
you
form
shop,
you
can
get
a
case
brought
against
a
legitimate
breeder
that
does
not
is
not
always
served
with
due
process.
M
H
The
concern
I
have
is
specific
on
page
1
line
25
and
line
26
525
as
it
relates
to
what
I've
read
here
as
it
relates
to
cruelty
to
animals,
is
specific
to
more
dem
is
more
specific
to
domestic
animals,
dogs,
cats,
pets,
5
525,
seems
to
be
operating
in
that
space,
but
we
have
language
here
in
the
bill
on
page
one,
any
law,
enforcement
agency
or
animal
control
office
may
seize
any
animal
whose
owner
is
found
in
violation
of
any
animal
cruelty
law.
H
H
H
Some
of
the
techniques
we
use
are
long-standing
practices
in
animal
agriculture
that
are
known
to
be
ethical,
healthy
and
beneficial
to
the
the
enterprise
and
to
the
animal.
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
details
on
some
of
them,
but
to
someone
on
the
outside,
seeing
it
for
the
first
time
or
experiencing
it.
It
may
well
strike
them
as
cruelty.
K
Senator
givens,
your
point
is
well
taken
and
I
think
it's
along
the
same
lines
as
senator
caslin's
concern,
and
I
don't
disagree
with
you.
There
are
practices
that
are
accepted
in
the
agricultural
community
and
that
is
certainly
not
the
intent
of
this
bill.
So
I'm
happy
to
entertain
any
kind
of
amendment
to
make
sure
that
we
specify
that
that
is
excluded
or
precluded
from
this
language.
A
D
D
Thank
you
for
that.
I
was
actually
texting
commissioner
quarles
in
here
if
he
could
possibly
help
with
some
language
on
this,
and
so
he
said
his
office
would
be
more
willing
to
help
us
with
that.
G
A
And
senator
adams-
I
know-
and
we've
talked
a
lot
about
this
in
the
past
and
I'm
glad
to
have
you
here
for
your
first
ag
committee
meeting
and
I'm
sure
after
seeing
it.
This
is
probably
the
best
committee
in
the
legislature
you'll
be
asking
to
be
a
put
on
the
ag
committee
meeting
next
year,
but
we
are
very
thorough
in
in
what
we
do
here
in
that
committee
and
making
sure
that
it
doesn't
in
any
way
inhibit
our
way
of
life.
A
And
I
I
appreciate
your
openness
to
continually
work
with
senator
castle
and
senator
givens
the
commissioner
and
and
try
to
get
the
language
right,
and
I
know
that
you
will
will
do
that
and
make
sure
that
this
bill,
you
know,
is
right
before
we
move
it
off
the
floor.
Absolutely
so.
I
do
appreciate
that.
A
But
it
is
glad
to
have
you
here
and
as
the
as
the
floor
leaders
said,
you
all
don't
have
a
lot
of
farm
and
a
lot
of
ag
issues
in
jefferson
county,
but
we
on
the
ag
committee
love
the
way
you
all
eat
down
there.
You
eat
a
lot
of
our
product.
N
That
doesn't
mean
somebody
with
with
with
bad
intentions,
doesn't
do
the
things
that
we
want
to
do.
Senator
gibbons-
and
I
were
just
talking
about
the
previous
bill-
things
that
that
we
had
intent
to
do
and
they've
done
differently,
and
so
that's
half
of
what
we
do
up
here
is
you've
always
got
somebody
trying
to
figure
out
the
intent
to
hurt
somebody
else.
N
So
leader
adams
will
work
to
make
sure
that
she
does
a
good
job
with
that
and
I
vote
eye
for
the
bill
and
knowing
that
we'll
work
with
those
definitions
to
clarify
that
and
chairman
hornback
is
correct
when,
when
chairman
hornback
and
I
came
in
and
senator
adams
was
just
a
lonely
senator
like
us,
and
then
she
become
leadership,
she
come
to
us
one
day
and
said.
N
D
Explain
my
vote
real
quick
same
same
thing:
senator
adams
look
forward
to
working
with
you
on
an
amendment
to
again
satisfy
that
community.
Thank
you.
B
L
Explain
my
vote.
You
go
to
vote
no,
unlike
senator
carpenter
and
senator
castle,
and
those
those
guys
are,
the
glasses
have
full
guys,
I'm
a
glasses
half
empty
guy.
L
So
I
just
have
some
problems
kind
of
along
the
lines
of
senator
gibbons
and
the
wide
definition
of
animal
cruelty,
but
sounds
like
you
guys
will
be
working
on
it
as
we
go
down
the
pike
thanks.
A
A
Representative
fischer,
if
you'd
introduce
yourself
and
you
represe
your
guest
for
the
record,
and
you
may
proceed.
O
O
We
also
made
some
changes
that,
with
the
event,
in
the
event,
the
kda
loses,
staff
would
allow
the
kda
to
file
regulations
to
allow
third
party
inspections.
We've
had
to
employ
contractors
on
behalf
of
the
kda
in
the
last
three
years
to
assist
with
getting
carnivals
and
amusement
parks.
Open
10
years
ago
we
had
10
team
members
and
we're
down
to
five.