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A
Come
to
order,
we
want
to
welcome
everyone
here
for
house
standing
committee
on
veterans,
military
affairs
and
public
protection
in
just
a
sec.
I
want
to
mention
a
few
things
here.
Please,
if
you
would
silence
your
cell
phones
in
the
audience
there
that
would
cut
down
on
distractions.
Please
use
the
sign
in
sheet.
I
believe
it
is
still
sitting
up
there
right
now.
A
If
you
would
like
to
speak,
we
it
could
be
a
long
topic,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
probably
limit
speaking
and
we'll
split
that
evenly
as
we
see
how
much
time
we
have
available,
and
then
there
are
no
signs
looks
like
y'all
have
done
that
well
and
please
be
respectful
all
people
in
the
room
in
the
process
there
is
that
is
the
new
overflow.
Okay,
there
is
a
overflow
room
in
125.
A
E
A
Present
all
right
for
those
in
the
audience,
and
you
see
some
of
our
members
coming
and
going.
We
do
have
an
anr
meeting,
that's
important,
so
they
bounce
back
and
forth
to
record
votes
there.
So
at
this
time
we're
to
do
the
pledge
of
allegiance
and
please
remain
standing
afterwards
and
I've
asked
representative
duplessly
to
lead
us
in
prayer.
A
All
righty:
well,
it
is
our
tradition
that
we
always
start
with
honoring
some
distinguished
veterans,
and
today
we
knew
we'd
have
so
many
people
attending
that
we
thought.
We'd
have
two
distinguished
vets
today.
So
at
this
time
I
am
going
to
refer
to
representative
hart,
who
is
going
to
do
a
little
bio
on
our
first
distinguished
vet
and
yes,
ma'am?
Would
you
come
and
sit
at
the
center
center
table
there?
We
want
all
these
cameras
to
be
on
you
now
she
might
go
home.
B
Colonel
higgins
was
born
and
raised
in
falmouth
kentucky
where
she
attended
penal
county
memorial
high
school
upon
graduation
robin
attended
eastern
kentucky
university
earning
a
bachelor
of
science
degree
in
psychology,
as
well
as
a
commission
as
a
second
lieutenant
united
states
army
signal
corps
from
eku's
reserve
officer
training
corps
program
after
graduating
from
eku
robin
was
stationed
at
fort
gordon
georgia
to
attend
the
signal
corps
officers
basic
course.
In
addition
to
the
signal
corps
officer
basic
course,
robin's
military
education
includes
attending
the
signal
officer,
advance
course.
B
The
communications,
electronics
staff
officer
course
the
combined
arms
and
services
staff,
school
air
assault
command
and
general
staff
college
and
the
army
inspector
general
course.
At
this
time,
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
to
robin
and
welcome
her
to
this
committee
and
say
we
are
very,
very
pleased
to
have
you.
F
Well,
first,
let
me
start
by
saying
that
it's
just
an
honor
to
be
here
and
to
be
recognized,
and
I
would
like
to
say
thank
you
to
representative
hart.
F
He
never
fails
to
recognize
and
to
nominate
me
for
many
veteran
opportunities
and
one
of
those
being
serving
on
the
governor's
advisory
board
for
the
veterans
affairs,
and
I
just
wanted
to
know
how
much
I
truly
appreciate
him
for
for
doing
so
mark
and
I
have
a
very
long
history
we're
from
the
same
small
hometown,
and
we
have
several
things
in
common,
and
you
know.
The
way
that
I
got
to
know
representative
hart
is
that
I
shared
a
home
room.
F
I
think,
from
kindergarten
all
the
way
through
12th
grade
with
his
older
brother,
phillip
and
so
my
family
and
the
heart
families
we've
known
each
other
for
my
entire
life
and
through
philip,
I
got
to
know
mark
who
folks
in
our
hometown
always
refer
to,
and
I
hope
you
don't
mind
me
saying
this.
They
referred
to
him
and
his
brother
marty
as
the
twins
and
that's.
F
My
entire
adult
life
has
been
in
service
to
my
country
and
I
now
work
in
an
organization
that
is
in
service
to
veterans.
Even
the
focal
point
of
my
doctorate,
which
I
just
earned,
this
past
may
was
trying
to
find
a
better
way
to
serve
our
female
veteran
population.
So
that
was
the
focal
point
of
my
dissertation,
and
it's
obvious
that
representative
hart.
He
well
serves
the
people
of
his
district.
F
F
I
for
one
think
that
we've
come
a
long
way
from
our
childhood
days,
running
the
streets
and
playing
in
the
streets
of
falmouth
and
mark.
You
make
me
so
very
proud
of
you,
and
I
know
that
you
always
say
that
you're
part
of
the
service
that
I
have
committed
my
life
to,
but
I'm
also
proud
of
the
service
that
you've
committed
your
life
to
as
well.
F
I
was
asked
to
give
just
a
little
bit
of
information.
I
know
that
we
have
a
full
schedule
today
and
I'm
not
going
to
take
up
very
much
time,
but
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
joined
the
military
and
actually
it
was
by
mistake-
I
kind
of
fell
into
the
rotc
program,
not
actually
knowing
what
it
was
going
to
entail
and
I
loved
it,
and
I
found
an
affinity
for
something
and
the
military
enriched
my
life
in
ways
that
I
never
thought
possible
or
that
I
never
even
dreamed
of
to
begin
with.
F
It
has
allowed
me
to
travel,
and
it
has
also
allowed
me
to
expand
my
horizons
behind
any
and
beyond
any
horizons
that
I
even
knew
existed.
And
so
that's
why
I
say
that
it's
not
what
I
did
for
the
service
or
what
I
did
during
my
time
in
the
military.
But
it
is
absolutely
what
it
has
done
for
me
and
what
it
has
brought
to
my
life.
F
A
If
you
would
like,
I'm
going
to
have
representative
hart
come
with
a
little
token
of
our
appreciation
for
your
service
and-
and
we
love
doing
this,
and
maybe,
if
the
buds
here
for
a
picture
anyway,
there
so.
A
H
Thank
you
chair,
and
I
would
ask
that
mr
toliver
please
come
forward,
and
this
is
a
not
only
a
dear
friend
of
mine,
but
a
a
person
that
has
served
this
country
very
honorably
as
all
of
our
service
members
do,
and
he
is
here
with
us
today,
I'm
going
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
him.
I
asked
for
a
bio
and
he
gave
me
a
short
one
and
a
long
one
and
we're
not
going
to
go
with
the
long
one
because
we
would
take
the
entirety
of
the
meeting.
H
H
he's
admitted
to
the
kentucky
bar
the
ohio
bar,
the
eastern
district
of
kentucky
court
of
appeals
and
the
u.s
supreme
court.
He
served
in
the
navy
as
a
lieutenant
and
he
was
in
the
philippines
in
vietnam
and
he
received
the
u.s
marine
corps
officer
of
the
day
in
subic
bay
in
1964..
H
He
was
an
adjunct,
professor,
at
the
chase
college
of
law,
a
member
of
the
board
of
regents
for
northern
kentucky
university.
He
was
chairman
emeritus
of
the
kentucky
state
personnel
board.
He
was
a
member
of
the
greater
cincinnati,
bicentennial
commission
board
of
directors
for
tall
stacks.
If
you
remember
tall
stacks
that
passed
through
cincinnati,
he
was
on
the
dan
beard
boy
scout
council,
board
of
directors
from
1990
and
and
may
still
be
involved
in
that
capacity.
H
H
A
Toliver
is
that
green
light
on
on
your
your
microphone?
Can
you
push
that
little
button
right
there,
it's
on
perfect,
just
pull
it
a
little
closer
to
you.
That'd
be
great!
Thank
you.
Yes,
sir,
and
can
you
introduce
yourself
for
the
record,
even
though
we
did
we
have
to
have
it
kind
of
in
that
microphone.
I
All
right,
my
name
is
phil
soliver,
it's
spelled
solifaro
and
I
have
known
ed
for
a
long
time
and
he's
only
though
helped
veterans
for
about
30
years,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
really
think
he's
a
fantastic
person,
because
he's
done
what
a
great
job
for
for
the
military
in
our
community
and
he's
traveled
all
over
the
country
to
represent
them.
It's
it's
been
amazing.
I
I
Then
my
uncle,
who
also
went
to
center
college
and
played
football,
then
went
to
the
naval
academy
and
was
there
for
in
the
navy
for
over
30
years,
so
I
joined
back
in
1962
and
got
out
of
the
got
my
lieutenant
jg
because
the
lawyers
didn't
start
out
as
incident.
They
started
out
one
step
ahead
and-
and
I
was
in
the
philippines
in
subic
bay
and
vietnam-
and
I
was
a
shore
patrol
officer
which
is
for
those
of
you
who
haven't
been
in
the
navy-
that's
military
police.
I
So
I
was
a
navy
lawyer
and
military
police
and
sometimes
in
a
longer
poll,
which
is
this
town
right
next
to
subic
bay,
there'd
be
30
to
40,
000
sailors
and
marines
on
one
street
at
one
time,
and
they
were
only
allowed
to
go
into
the
bars
100
bars
on
each
side,
and
this
is
hard
for
maybe
you
all
to
understand.
I
But
but
sometimes
they
drank
alcohol
and
and
it
was
it
was
crazy
because
as
a
shore
patrol
officer-
and
they
are
only
going,
those
bars-
I
almost
got
killed
a
bunch
of
times,
but
because
I
was
a
famous
170
pound
tackle
for
center
college
that
I
got
to
play
sometimes
up
to
five
minutes.
I
If
we're
really
far
ahead
and
and
you'd
have
to
be
a
little
crazy
to
do
that,
and
so,
as
a
shore
patrol
officer,
military
police,
it
was
crazy
and
then
this
one
night
I
was
also
the
day
on
the
base,
which
was
very
boring
because
it's
you
know
just
nothing
happened
there
and
they
had
a
blt
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
what
a
blt
is.
I
It's
a
battalion
landing
team
and
they
had
1300
marines
that
would
float
around
all
over
southeast
asia
and
and
for
some
reason,
they've
gotten
trouble
every
place.
They'd
gone
it's
hard
for
me
to
understand
that
the
marine
would
do
something
like
that,
and
so
they
all
they
wouldn't.
Let
them
go
into
town.
They
let
them
go
into
the
enlisted
man's
quarters
and
they
started
fighting
each
other
and
about
11
o'clock
that
night
and
they
played
the
star-spangled
banner
twice
and
it
stopped
him
two
times
the
third
time
it
didn't
stop
them.
I
It
took
me
about
three
minutes
to
get
there
and
started
grabbing
and
throwing
and
pushing
them
around
and,
and
it
took
45
minutes
and
it
broke
it
up
and
they
they
left-
and
I
was
all
pumped
up-
had
a
little
blood
on
me
and
walked
out
about
six
steps
and
my
sixth
sense
kicked
in
and
I
roared
to
the
left
for
about
20
steps
running
as
fast
and
a
dove
on
the
back
of
a
bunch
of
marines
knocked
two
or
three
of
them
down
spun
around
and
started
pushing
them
back
because
they
were
trying
to
kill
a
marine
in
combat
books.
I
I
And
I
said,
hit
me
hit
me
you,
I
use
the
bad
words
I'll
put
you
in
the
the
f
word,
the
brig,
which
is
a
jail
for
the
rest
of
your
life
and
it
it
unnerved
him
and
his
hand,
went
down
and
just
then
one
of
his
buddies,
and
it
got
this
far
and
the
head
of
marine
barracks
had
called
out
20
marines
and
fixed
with
fixed
bayonets,
and
this
one
sergeant
smashed
him
in
the
head
with
a
billy
club,
and
it
went
like
that
and
it
was.
It
was
crazy.
I
So,
the
next
day
I
got
a
call,
got
a
call
from
the
bird
colonel.
The
base
had
half
his
legs,
shot
off
and
and
and
and
the
korean
war,
and
he
had
adopted
me
because
he
thought
I
was
crazy
and
he
was
right,
and
so
he
had
been
just
really
my
mentor
for
for
the
six
months
that
I
I
was
six
months
there
when
this
happened
and
he
called
and
said,
okay
be
at
the
admiral's
office
at
seven
o'clock
in
a
half
an
hour.
I
I
said
yes,
sir
well,
I
had
been
in
six
months
and
I
was
really
old
because
I
was
26
out
of
law.
School
and
I'd
never
met
an
admiral
before
and
it
was
like
an
admiral
was
god,
and
so
we
walked
in
there
and
the
admiral
was
sitting
here
and
the
bird
colonel's
sitting
here,
and
I
was
sitting
here
and
he
said
admiral,
I'm
so
embarrassed
at
the
way
our
marines
acted
and
I'm
also
embarrassed
at
the
way
officer.
Tyler
acted,
he
violated
the
rules.
I
I
You
know
when,
when
they
made
me
a
lieutenant
the
bird
colonel
put
one
plaque
here
and
the
navy
commander
of
the
base
put
another
plaque
here
and
there's
a
picture
of
that,
and
I
just
I
can
never
forget
those
things
I
served
in
vietnam
also
and
was
mostly
an
just
a
navy
lawyer.
There
had
some
crazy
cases.
I
I
came
back
in
66
before
I
guess
before
you
were
born
mr
massey
and
was
a
prosecutor
for
five
years
and
started.
I
represented
all
the
police
and
then
a
lot
of
the
military
people
ever
since
the
sheriffs
and
the
troopers
and
and
adia's
husband
back.
There
is
a
state
trooper,
and
so
people
wonder
why
I'm
such
a
police
nut
and
a
military
nut.
I
But
I've
kind
of,
I
think,
giving
you
a
little
idea
of
why
I
served
on
the
the
chairman
of
the
state
personnel
board
for
only
15
years
from
72
to
87
under
with
four
governors,
and
there
was
a
little
problem
I
had
because
they
said
I
was
a
troublemaker.
A
All
right,
just
I
tell
you
what,
on
that
note,
I'm
going
to
send
representative
massey
down
to
present
you
with
the
challenge
coin,
and
I
was
telling
lieutenant
colonel
higgins
that
we
have
had
challenge
coins
made
on
behalf
of
veterans,
military
affairs,
public
protection
for,
for
this
reason,
to
present
people
that
have
been
exemplary
even
in
fire
and
police
and
others
too,
some
of
y'all
have
brought
it
doesn't
have
to
be
just
a
veteran
of
our
wars
there.
So
we
appreciate
your
service
if
you'd
step
up,
and
I
think.
H
H
A
Thank
you
so
much.
This
is
why
we
like
to
honor
our
events
here.
So
any
members,
if
y'all,
have
a
vet
or
someone
in
your
community
like
to
honor,
please
get
with
us,
and
we
will
definitely
do
that.
Representative
wheatley
had
just
one
comment
I
think
or,
and
he
can
step
back
to
the
mic
if
he
needs
to
answer
something.
B
I'll
just
make
a
brief
comment.
Thank
you,
mr
tyler,
for
being
here.
Thank
you,
representative
messi.
I
can.
B
I
can
certainly
verify
a
lot
of
the
nutty
part
of
the
comments
and
even
in
in
his
years
of
recent
years
of
law
practice,
he
used
to
foul
me
unmercifully
on
the
on
the
basketball
court,
and
but
he
also
was
one
of
my
earliest
mentors
after
being
a
firefighter
and
a
fire
chief
and
then
an
attorney,
he
was
there
for
me
and
I
appreciate
all
he's
done
and
he's
done
for
the
community
in
northern
kentucky
for
decades,
and
we
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
A
A
Introduce
yourself
with
the
record,
you
know
the
deal
about
the
green
light
and
proceed
when
ready
sure.
C
Josh
bray
representative
71st
district,
it's
good
to
be
here
again
over
the
interim.
We
had
discussed
what
is
now
house
bill
29,
and
I
have
that
before
you
now.
So.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
house
bill.
29
is
a
bill
that
would
designate
the
state
of
kentucky.
As
a
second
amendment
sanctuary
state
the
concept
behind
this
bill
isn't
anything
new.
C
C
At
my
last
check,
115
out
of
the
out
of
the
120.
C
over
the
past
year,
we've
seen
an
increase
in
rhetoric
from
washington,
alluding
to
a
potential
firearm
regulation
going
forward,
including
something
going
on
right
now
that
hasn't
gotten.
A
lot
of
attention
here
is
the
band
of
pistol
braces,
which
is
a
very
popular
accessory,
not
through
legislation
not
through
dually
enacted
laws,
but
by
the
simple
interpretation
or
change
of
over
regulation.
We
would
have
thousands
of
kentuckians
made
into
potential
felons.
C
There
is
nothing
in
this
bill
that
would
remove
the
ability
of
the
federal
government
to
enforce
any
new
law
regulation.
There
is
nothing
in
this
bill
that
would
prevent
the
general
assembly
from
enacting
any
new
laws
or
restrictions
on
firearms
motion.
A
E
C
So
there
actually
isn't
a
penalty
located
within
this
bill.
If
you
look
at
the
way,
medical
marijuana
or
recreational
marijuana
has
been
it's
regulated
at
the
federal
level
at
the
state
level
we
can
come
in.
Do
our
own
thing,
decriminalize
it.
This
follows
that
same
model.
It
this
just
says
no
tax
dollars
can
be
done,
and
so
it
would
be
up
to
the
court
to
throw
out
any
charges.
Sure.
E
And
I
think
a
lot
of
the
hyperbole
surrounding
this
bill
on
both
sides
of
the
issue,
even
if
it's
folks
who
are
not
in
favor
of
making
sure
that
we're
protecting
our
right
to
keep
and
bear
arms.
Or
if
it's
folks
who
are
saying
that
this
is
a
week
or
a
half
measure.
I
think
that's
hyperbolic.
But
that
said
the
second
amendment
preservation
groups
in
the
commonwealth.
One
of
the
criticisms
that
they've
had
about
this
bill
is
that
it's
not
enforceable
and
that
some
of
the
terminology
is
poorly
defined.
E
And
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
would
be
open
to
the
possibility
of
making
changes
as
we
move
forward
through
the
process
and
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
we
have
some
type
of
enforcement
mechanism
or
potentially
tie
funding
to
it
or
just
to
put
some
additional
teeth.
To
make
sure.
We
have
the
strongest
version
possible
of
this
bill
to
pass.
C
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair
representative,
I
just
had
a
couple
of
questions
for
you
in
the
introduction
to
your
bill.
You
quite
rightly,
you
know,
cite
a
prince
versus
the
united
states.
J
K
E
That
local
or
state
law
enforcement
cannot
be
compelled
to
work
with
federal
authorities
and
that's
and
that's
absolutely
right,
but
what?
If
we
turn
that
on
its
head
and
the
the
thing
that
concerns
me
is
that
many
of
our
local
law
enforcement
groups
or
state
law
enforcement
willingly
collaborate
with
federal
officials
and,
for
example,
you
know
people
who
work
with
the
atf
as
task
force,
officers
that
are
lent
by
the
local
community
in
order
to
work
on.
You
know
violent
crime
issues
that
everybody
in
the
commonwealth
agrees.
E
Our
major
are
major
issues,
and
these
are
is
also
a
way
that
many
of
our
local
law
enforcement
boost
their
incomes
because
they
get
extra
money
for
working
with
the
fed.
You
know
with
the
feds
on
stuff
like
this.
My
reading
of
this
bill
is
that
it's
going
to
prevent
local
law
enforcement
or
state
law
enforcement
from
willingly
collaborating
with
federal
authorities.
Can
you
comment
on
that.
C
Yeah,
so
if
you
will
look
at
section
5
of
the
bill
subsection,
a
it
talks
about
section
5
of
the
bill
talks
about
how
there's
nothing
within
the
bill
that
would
prohibit
local
law
enforcement
from
working
with
the
federal
government
or
whether
it
be
atf
or
dea
or
whoever
that
may
be.
It
does,
however,
say
that
law
enforcement
that
they
cannot
if
it's
law
enforcement
activity
related
to
a
federal
ban
on
firearms
ammunition
or
firearm
accessories.
E
E
C
So
this
bill
only
deals
with
new
firearm
legislation
going
forward
at
post
january
1..
So
if
it's
any
kind
of
assault
weapons
ban,
if
it's
any
kind
of
magazine
capacity,
ban,
ammunition
ban,
then
absolutely
they
with
this
bill,
they
could
not
cooperate
with
enforcing
a
ban
on
firearms
ammunitions
or
firearm
accessories.
Okay,.
E
Okay,
so
it
works
so
works
retroactively,
okay,
well,
that
that
is
a
concern
that
this
still
might
tie
local
law
enforcement's
hands,
and
I
know
that
has
happened
in
a
couple
of
other
states,
so
that
might
be
something
to
look
at
going
forward
if
the
bill
moves
today.
Thank
you.
A
I
had
a
suggestion
that
if
this
bill
goes
all
the
way
through
and
gets
all
the
way
through,
that
you
might
consider
running
a
resolution
or
so
encouraging
our
economic
cabinet
to
invite
some
of
these
manufacturers
to
locate
in
kentucky
so
absolutely
something
to
think
about
there.
So
we
appreciate
what
you're
doing
there
all
right,
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
I
have
just
texted
our
members
on
the
other
side.
So
hopefully
they
might
be
able
to
come
over
and
record
a
vote,
but
we'll
have
mr
secretary.
Please
call
roll.
C
A
L
A
E
H
E
And
it's
a
pass
for
today
and
I
am
concerned
about
the
way
that
it
may
tie
local
and
state
law
enforcement's
hands,
whether
whether
it's
intended
to
or
not.
Thank
you.
B
Representative
wesley,
yes,
I'd
like
to
explain
my
vote,
one
I'd
like
to
say
I'm
a
proud
marine
corps
veteran.
I
appreciate
this
representative
bray.
A
All
right,
mr
secretary,
can
you
please
call
roll
with
a
few
that
just
walked
in
the
door
there
again
we're
going
to
go
back
through,
because
we
had
at
least
four
members
that
come
through
representative
blanton.
K
A
All
right,
thank
you.
It
will
pass
we'll
look
forward
to
hearing
it
on
the
floor
and
we
appreciate
your
testimony
there.
So
we
are
getting
ready
to
hear
house
bill
three,
I'm
looking.
We
have
40.
A
if
we
can
keep
each
side
holding
to
about
20
25
minutes,
so
we
do
have
a
new,
a
number
numerous
amount
of
people
that
would
like
to
speak
either
for
or
against.
So
if
y'all
want
to
kind
of
make
sure
we're
going
to
keep
it
within
about
a
25
minute
period
at
11
25,
we
will
be
voting
on
this
measure,
so
11
25.
So
we
have
about
50
minutes.
A
B
A
Do
we
have
a
motion
for
the
committee
sub
got
a
motion?
Do
we
have
a
second?
We
have
a
second
all
in
favor
signify
by.
I
opposed
all
right.
The
committee
sub
is
in
front
of
us
and
representative
tate
we're
going
to
do
it
a
little
bit
backwards,
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
call,
and
I'm
not
sure
who
wants
to
speak
first
or
so
we're
going
to
have
everyone
speak
for
about
25
minutes
if
you
signed
up
here's
the
ones
I
have.
A
I
have
michael
johnson,
christopher
harlow,
jackie
mcram,
mcgran,
granton,
okay,
anna
peterson,
tamara
wieder,
brenda
rosen
and
robin
kunkel.
Now.
Is
there
any
particular
order
you
all
would
like
to
go
if.
A
A
All
right,
so
we
got
we'll
you
you
all
kind
of
lead
it
and
rotate
them
in
and
if
there's
someone
here,
we
missed
or
something
like
that,
but
we
got
about
25
minutes.
So
if
you
don't
mind
whoever's
speaking
first,
please
introduce
yourself
make
sure
that
green
button
is
on
and
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
we'll.
Let
you
just
kind
of
keep
things
flowing.
D
M
There
we
go
okay,
my
name
is
michael
johnson
with
the
family
foundation,
you're
speaking
on
behalf
of
house
bill,
3,
humanity
and
health
care
act.
So,
mr
chairman
committee
members,
thank
you
for
the
chance
to
speak
briefly
on
this
important
issue.
M
Deserve
to
have
these
measures
in
place,
respecting
the
doctor-patient
relationship,
restoring
the
public's
trust
in
the
medical
profession
and
honoring
the
oath
to
do
no
harm
are
all
matters
that
should
unite
us
here
in
kentucky,
and
it's
a
reason
that
we
have
seen
our
supporters
send
over
1500
emails
in
the
past
48
hours
in
support
of
house
bill,
3
and
the
humanity
and
health
care
act.
So
I
would
urge
you
today
to
support
house
bill
3
and
thank
you
again,
representative,
tate,
for
your
leadership.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
we're
trying
to
balance
it
up
for
us
and
and
maybe
a
pose
so
we're
keeping
track
of
time.
So
some
of
the
other
speakers,
if
you
all
wanted,
I
think
y'all
were
doing
so
kate.
Do
you
want
to
kind
of
round
up
whoever
you
had
to
speak
there
and
yeah
okay
good
deal
hello
good
morning?
Is
that
green
light
on
push
that
button?
There.
D
Representatives,
my
name
is
christopher
harlow,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
kentucky
board
of
pharmacy.
I
am
speaking
today
neither
in
support
nor
opposition
to
house
bill
3,
but
rather
to
provide
comments,
or
rather
some
concerns
about
the
language
in
house
bill
3.
If
that's,
okay,
really
really
just
a
just
to
start.
I
think
that
there's
some
conflicting
language
or
confusion
around
the
application
of
this
program
to
the
kentucky
board
of
pharmacy.
D
First,
it
appears
that
there's
language
that
a
qualified
physician
would
be
required
to
provide
the
abortion-inducing
medications,
so
we're
questioning,
if
pharmacy
will
a
pharmacist
will
ever
be
dispensing
these
medications
so
to
to
that
end,
we're
questioning
the
application
to
the
kentucky
board
of
pharmacy.
D
Next.
Regarding
that
florida
pharmacy
providing
this
program,
there
appears
to
be
some
concerns
related
to
the
cost
factors
and
the
funding.
That's
that's
that's
not
listed
in
the
in
the
bill.
D
For
example,
the
board
of
pharmacy
does
do
we
do
we
do
inspections
of
pharma
pharmacies
and
pharmacists
and
manufacturers,
and
so
inspections,
the
certifications,
the
tracking
and
the
complaint
portal
that's
mentioned
would
be
on
the
board
of
pharmacy
and
currently,
there's
no
funding
support
for
for
this,
and
this
would
require
a
structural
change
and
a
massive
massive
amount
of
resources
for
the
board
of
pharmacy
to
administer.
That
next
is
is
really
regarding
the
concerns
regarding
the
tracking
of
drugs
entering
the
state
and
the
mandatory
audits.
D
D
While
we
we
could
make
prohibitions,
there's
really
no
way
of
effectively
tracking
this
information.
We
also
do
not
currently
automatically
audit
any
licensee
or
permit
holders.
I'm
requiring
an
audit
of
all
pharmacists,
physicians,
manufacturers
and
distributors
within
90
days
after
certification
is
just
not
possible
without
large
allocation
of
resources
that
we
don't
currently
have,
and
our
inspection
staff
is
currently
at
capacity.
D
There
is
concern
regarding
regulation
of
positions
in
the
kentucky
board
of
pharmacy.
We
do
license
pharmacists,
but
not
physicians,
so
that
really
would
be
fall
into
the
kentucky
board
of
medical
licensure,
not
the
board
of
pharmacy.
So
we
do
not
license
physicians.
While
we
could
develop
a
certification
program
that
really
comes
into
question
the
authority
of
what
the
board
of
pharmacy
would
have
over
over
physicians,
this
would
be
granting
new
jurisdiction
of
the
board
of
pharmacy
and
again,
we
just
don't
have
the
resources
to
do
that.
D
Currently,
so
we
would,
we
would
ask
for
additional
resources,
and
next
is
regarding
the
state-operated
rims
program.
It's
it's.
It's
our
understanding
that
the
fda
already
has
a
robust
rims
program
for
for
dispensing
methopreston,
and
so
this
this
appears
to
be
a
duplication
of
a
program
so
the
so
we
have
questions
about
how
that
will
be
implemented
in
regards
to
how
the
fda
is
already
administering
that
program
and
how
the
how
our
state
program
would
would
be
different.
D
I
mentioned
already
that
the
complaint
portal,
and
so
we
have
questions
as
far
as
how
to
manage
that
with
our
current.
Like
would
we
investigate
every
single
complaint,
our
current
regulations,
that
that
follow
the
investigation
process?
This
is
not
built
into
that,
so
we're
not
sure
how
it
would
be
feasible
to
investigate
every
complaint,
particularly
because
we've
seen
other
states
have
this
portal
and
there's
there's
a
lot
of
complaints
that
come
in
that
that
we're
not
that
are
not
relevant
to
to
the
abortion-inducing
drugs
themselves
or
the
process
of
this
program.
D
D
So
I'm
happy
from
the
board
of
pharmacy
standpoint
to
work
with
legislators
on
on
addressing
any
any
potential
language
for
the
bill
and
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
J
Thank
you
for
being
here,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
what
you
said.
Currently,
the
pharmacy
board
is
not
set
up
to
monitor
doctors.
D
So
our
understanding
is
the
rems
program,
that's
described
in
this
bill,
and
this
is
my
understanding.
After
reading
the
bill,
there
is
an
fda,
a
federal
program
to
the
fda
that
has
us
that
that
regulates
this
medication,
so
we
so
our
question
after
reading
this
language,
the
bill
is,
how
would
our
program
be
different
and
how
would
that
look
and
what
resources
be
allocated
to
that.
J
J
D
Yeah,
absolutely
so
we
we
just
don't
have
that
structure
in
place
currently
right
now,
our
our
complaints
may
come
in
over
the
phone
or
or
by
email,
but
we
do
not
have
a
portal
set
up.
We
do
not
have
the
technology
in
place.
Okay,
thank
you.
B
D
So
I
just
started
my
position
january
16th.
I
have
not
spoken
with
any
legislature
regarding
this
bill,
yet.
B
Okay,
and
so
you
but
you're
willing
to
work
with
the
the
bill
writers
or
to
to
work
out
these
issues,
absolutely
okay.
Thank
you.
A
Representative
wheatley,
they
the
sponsor,
has
notified
and
she
got
an
email
from
him
this
morning.
So
they're
gonna
work
on
some
things
too.
So
maybe
we
can
keep
the
process
coming
out
of
the
committee
and
go
that
route
so
all
right.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you.
Let's
now
we
got
them
they're
ready
to
go
there.
A
G
Hello
committee,
my
name
is
tamara
wieder,
I'm
the
kentucky
state
director
for
planned
parent
alliance
advocates
I'm
a
woman
of
jewish
faith,
and
actually
my
husband
is
currently
deployed
overseas,
serving
over
23
years
in
the
u.s
army.
I'm
here
today
in
strong
opposition
to
house
bill
3.
this
bill
piles
on
a
long
list
of
abortion
restrictions,
none
of
which
are
based
in
medical,
best
practice
and
patient
safety,
and
all
of
which
will
harm
abortion,
patients
and
providers.
G
Kentucky
has
gone
above
and
beyond
to
restrict
access
to
abortion.
Politicians
have
already
put
in
place
a
myriad
of
discriminatory,
medically
unnecessary
barriers
to
abortion
care,
such
as
forced
ultrasounds,
waiting
periods
and
biased
anti-abortion
counseling
requirements.
Last
year
alone,
the
general
assembly
passed
three
bills
attacking
abortion
access
on
top
of
all
of
these
existing
restrictions.
This
bill
piles
on
a
long
list
of
additional
requirements
that
would
make
it
even
more
difficult
or
even
impossible
for
kentucky
patients
to
get
the
care
they
need.
G
Years
of
medical
research
and
studies
have
demonstrated
that
legal
abortion
is
one
of
the
safest
medical
procedures
in
the
united
states,
with
low
mortality
and
complication
rates
for
patients.
In
fact,
the
overall
abortion
complication
rate
is
approximately
three
times
lower
than
that
for
wisdom,
tooth
extraction
and
about
three
to
four
times
lower
that,
for
then
for
a
tonsillectomy
studies.
G
Show
women
in
the
us
experience
major
complications
less
than
one
percent
of
the
time
given
abortion's,
incredibly
strong
safety
record
and
the
fact
that
it
is
already
more
regulated
than
almost
any
other
medical
procedure
in
our
state
and
country.
It
is
important
to
understand
that
none
of
the
requirements
in
this
bill
are
backed
by
medical,
best
practice
or
supported
by
leading
medical
organizations,
for
example,
the
restrictions
on
medication.
G
Abortion
directly
contradict
the
fda's,
updated
recommendations
for
medication
abortion
in
december
the
fda
followed
the
available
science
and
removed
the
medically
unnecessary
requirement
that
medication
abortion
be
dispensed
in
person,
a
requirement
that
does
not
apply
to
any
other
drug
that
patients
can
safely
take
it
home.
This
change
was
based,
on
the
overwhelming
evidence,
decades
of
data
and
consultation
and
support
from
medical
experts
in
this
field.
G
Medication.
Abortion
is
a
safe
option
that
gives
patients
more
control
over
their
own
health
care.
For
some
patients
medication,
abortion
is
actually
safer
and
medically
preferable
option
for
some.
For
those
sorry.
For
for
some
with
I'm
sorry
for
some
medication,
abortion
may
be
medically
indicated
for
patients,
so
you
have
certain
uterine
anomalies
or
large
uterine
fibroids
the
bill
undoes
the
progress
that
was
made
even
with
the
fda's
recent
changes
and
takes
our
state
backwards,
forcing
kentucky
patients
to
use
an
outdated
standard
of
care
that
pushes
abortion
out
of
reach.
G
For
many,
it
also
imposes
unprecedented
state
level
oversight
over
a
drug
regimen,
with
a
proven
safety
record,
creating
a
duplicative
and
onerous
fda-like
oversight
program.
That
is
the
definition
of
government
overreach,
and
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
protecting
patient
safety.
It
will
only
make
it
more
difficult
or
even
impossible
for
kentuckians
to
access
medication
abortion.
G
Additionally,
this
bill
expands
existing
requirements
for
providers
to
give
patients
information
about
the
so-called
abortion
reversal,
an
unproven
procedure
that
is
opposed
by
major
medical
associations
and
requires
the
state
to
promote
and
help
refer
patients
to
providers
who
may
help
with
this
fraudulent,
potentially
unsafe
procedure.
There
is
no
legitimate
scientific
or
medical
evidence
to
suggest
that
abortion
reversible
is
possible,
like
the
rest
of
this
bill.
G
This
requirement
directly
contradicts
the
recommendations
of
the
nation's
leading
medical
experts
and,
in
doing
so,
it'll
put
patients
at
risk,
making
them
unwitting
participants
in
an
unethical
experiment
when
the
state
directs
them
to
make
believe
medical
care,
in
addition
to
harming
patients.
This
bill
also
targets
abortion
providers
with
provisions
that
will
open
them
up
to
increased
harassment
and
intimidation.
G
This
bill
requires
the
state
to
publish
the
names
of
every
medication
abortion
provider
in
kentucky
on
a
state-run
portal,
essentially
creating
a
hit
list
for
anti-abortion
extremists.
Since
1977
there
have
been
11
murders,
26
attempted
murders,
42,
bombings,
189,
arsons
and
thousands
of
other
criminal
incidents
directed
at
abortion
providers.
G
G
This
bill
will
allow
any
member
of
the
public
to
submit
anonymous
complaints
about
abortion
providers,
regardless
of
whether
that
person
received
care
or
has
any
legitimate
basis
to
file
a
complaint.
This
provides
yet
another
tool
for
anti-abortion
activists
to
harass
providers,
and
it
will
also
likely
create
a
significant
burden
for
the
state
when
an
extreme
anti-abortion
group
in
texas
launched
a
similar
portal
to
allow
members
of
the
public
to
complain
about
abortion
providers,
it
became
a
magnet
for
fraud
and
was
flooded
with
thousands
of
false
complaints.
G
This
bill
requires
the
board
of
pharmacy
to
investigate
and
issue
a
finding
for
each
complaint
submitted.
However,
fraudulent
wasting
scarce
resources
to
give
a
platform
to
anti-abortion
activists
taken
as
a
whole.
It
is
clear
that
the
components
of
this
bill
are
designed
to
be
as
onerous
as
possible
for
abortion
providers
and
patients.
We
need
to
be
clear
that
these
restrictions
won't
make
patients
safer.
Instead,
they
will
push
push
abortion
out
of
reach
for
many
in
our
state
and
lead
to
worse
health
outcomes
for
pregnant
people,
children
and
families.
G
N
N
I
am
here
to
plead
with
you
for
the
protection
of
the
essential
care
that
I
proudly
provide
to
my
patients
in
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
each
day.
I
see
patients
in
a
variety
of
different
scenarios,
those
excited
to
embark
upon
their
motherhood
journeys
and
those
for
whom
this
simply
is
not
an
option
for
a
multitude
of
reasons,
be
they
financial,
emotional
or
physical.
N
N
N
N
The
politization
of
abortion
care
intrudes
upon
the
private
and
delicate
relationships
between
reproductive
health
care
providers
and
our
patients.
It
creates
fear
and
shame
and
perpetuates
harmful
stigma
in
the
reproductive
health
care.
Realm
elective
termination
of
pregnancy,
specifically
the
use
of
medication-induced
abortion,
is
one
of
the
safest,
outpatient
procedures
that
we
provide
far
safer
than
childbirth,
with
complications
far
less
than
one
percent
nationwide.
O
My
name
is
robin
kunkel.
I've
lived
in
kentucky
all
my
life
and
I
would
like
to
share
my
story
with
you
today,
I'm
a
parent
to
my
stepdaughter,
who
came
into
my
life
rather
suddenly
and
made
me
realize
that
I
wanted
to
be
a
mother.
This
was,
after
years
of
thinking,
maybe
someday,
but
definitely
not
right.
Now,
even
early
on
in
the
relationship
I
knew
my
partner
was
somebody
I
could
co-parent
with
well
and
a
few
years
later
we
decided
to
add
another
little
one
to
our
family.
O
I
soon
became
pregnant
and
we
were
overwhelmed
and
overjoyed.
We
anxiously
waited
to
see
our
baby
at
my
first
ultrasound
appointment.
Only
to
be
told
the
ob
didn't
see
anything
in
my
uterus
devastated.
We
left
believing
the
most
likely
scenario
was
that
I
had
already
miscarried
a
few
days
later.
I
returned
for
a
checkup
to
make
sure
I
wasn't
just
earlier
in
the
pregnancy
than
we
thought,
but
this
time
they
noticed
bleeding
near
my
right
ovary
and
I
was
told
I
had
an
ectopic
pregnancy.
O
O
A
day
later,
my
hormone
levels
had
dropped
and
it
looked
as
though
my
body
would
abort
naturally,
but
unfortunately,
one
week
later,
my
hormone
levels
rose
significantly
and
I
had
to
return
to
the
emergency
room
and
it
was
the
worst
pain
of
my
life.
The
fetal
tissue
had
continued
to
grow
where
there
wasn't
room
and
it
was
devastating
both
mentally
and
physically.
O
I
scheduled
a
surgery
to
end
my
wanted
pregnancy.
I
scheduled
an
abortion
following
the
procedure.
I
was
relieved
to
feel
that
my
pain
was
completely
gone.
When
I
woke
up,
I
was
lucky
to
have
a
skilled
surgeon
and
one
familiar
with
that
particular
surgery,
and
I
was
lucky
that
my
doctors
caught
it
when
they
did
because
we
discovered
the
ectopic
nature
of
the
pregnancy
at
around
10
weeks.
O
When
I
hear
people
talk
about
abortion,
especially
those
who
are
opposed
to
this
aspect
of
reproductive
care,
I
only
hear
stories
portraying
the
pregnant
person
as
selfish,
erratic
and
irresponsible,
as
if
they're
only
thinking
of
this,
this
current
moment
and
solely
of
themselves.
But
this
isn't
the
case.
O
Many
women
who
need
abortion
care
are
thinking
about
the
future,
about
the
children
we
want
to
have
and
about
the
children.
We
will
need
to
feed
feed
and
clothe
and
house
and
give
time
and
energy
to
some
of
us
worry.
Another
pregnancy
will
not
leave
enough
resources
for
the
children
we
already
have
and
love.
O
We
are
also
allowed
to
think
of
ourselves.
Some
of
us
know
a
pregnancy
would
keep
us
living
in
poverty
or
bind
us
forever
to
people
who
abuse
us.
Do
we
not
deserve
protection
from
this
we're
more
than
incubators
without
feelings
and
opinions.
Our
lives
are
important
and
filled
with
potential.
We
count.
We
deserve
access
to
quality
healthcare
at
every
stage
of
life,
regardless
of
age,
gender,
size
or
condition
which
includes
pregnancy.
O
O
We
are
still
the
people
we
were
before
pregnancy,
dealing
with
the
same
struggles
and
the
same
lives,
but
now
we
are
treated
like
we
shouldn't
have
feelings
or
opinions,
because
our
lives
matter
less
than
the
potential
ones
we
carry
and
they
shouldn't
the
word
person
as
it
was
determined
during
roe.
V
wade
does
not
include
unborn
fetuses,
but
it
does
include
me
your
obligation
is
to
me
and
to
all
of
us
who
have
the
potential
to
be
pregnant
and
we're
telling
you
we
need
all
options
on
the
table.
A
P
P
Although
the
sponsor
of
this
bill
has
said
that
her
intent
is
to
make
this
measure
very
similar
to
indiana's
law,
and
with
that
in
mind,
I
have
provided
each
member
of
the
committee
a
copy
of
indiana's
bill,
and
you
can
see
that
indiana's
law
uses
may
where
hb3
uses
shell,
and
we
do
not
believe
that
this
was
the
intent,
but
regardless.
This
is
where
we
are
further.
This
bill
would
require
the
state
to
issue
birth
death
certificates
for
every
surgical
abortion,
regardless
of
the
patient's
wishes
or
how
early
the
pregnancy
occurred.
P
This
documentation
not
only
requires
parents
personally
identifying
information,
but
the
information
of
the
alleged
father
requiring
the
state
to
issue
a
birth
death.
Birth
death
certificate
for
every
abortion,
with
no
consideration
for
the
patient's
circumstances
or
wishes
could
be
a
cruel
way
to
stigmatize
and
publicly
shame
patients
who
who
have
an
abortion.
P
This
bill
will
also
put
privacy,
patient
privacy
and
safety
at
risk,
since
such
documents
can
be
made
public,
a
kentuckian
who
has
decided
to
have
an
abortion
could
have
their
personal
information
exposed
again.
We
do
not
believe
that
this
was
the
intent
of
the
bill
and
consequently,
these
regulatory
requirements
on
top
of
the
reporting
the
state
already
requires
for
abortion,
could
impose
a
heavy
burden
on
limited
state
resources
without
any
meaningful
public
health
or
data
collection
purpose.
P
P
A
A
Q
All
right,
sweet
brenda,
rosin,
the
executive
director
with
the
national
association
of
kentucky
chapter.
I
am
here
basically
very
quickly
to
point
out
that
social
workers
follow
an
ethical
code.
This
was
written
by
the
association
that
I
represent
over
60
years
ago,
and
it
basically
says
that
we
have
the
dignity
and
worth
for
all
of
our
clients.
We
meet
our
clients
where
they
are
at.
It
is
not
our
right
to
move
anyone
to
where
we
think
they
need
to
be.
Q
We
follow
best
practices,
and
I
want
to
stress
that
our
code
of
ethics
states,
social
workers,
respect
and
promote
the
right
of
clients
to
self-determination.
This
means
that
a
person
should,
without
government
interference,
be
able
to
make
decisions
about
reproductive
and
sexual
health.
It
also
means
that
we
support
the
whole
spectrum
of
abortion,
access
neonatal
and
pre-neonatal
and
postnatal
care
for
kentucky
women.
I
spent
40
years
as
a
social
worker
30
of
those
years
working
with
people,
children
and
adults
of
all
ages
dying
of
cancer.
Q
I've
had
conversations
with
people
about
having
to
make
the
toughest
life
choices
and
as
a
social
worker
and
as
representatives
all
of
my
people
up
here,
we
have
got
to
respect
the
dignity
and
worth
of
people,
children
and
women
who
are
facing
an
unplanned
pregnancy
without
feeling
shame
guilt
or
blame.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
all.
I
appreciate
appreciate
it.
Let
miss
stevenson
or
representative
stevenson.
Can
we
go
ahead
and
hear
the
other
testimony,
and,
and
ladies
would
you
all
be
able
to
hang
out
until
we
can
okay
and
then,
if
we
need
to
call
them
back
up,
we
will
but
we'll
try
to
get
to
the
questions
at
the
very
end.
So,
representative,
tate
and
whoever
might
be
speaking,
I'm
assuming
for
the
bill
and
we'll
go
ahead,
and
I
think
everyone
will
still
be
available
for
questions
in
a
sec.
A
R
R
A
A
few
technical
difficulties,
let's
see,
if
we
can,
I
I
tell
you
represent
tate,
can
we
start
even
without
them?
Do
we
have
other
speakers
that
we
can
rearrange
or
something
or
without
the
presentation,
then
we'll
get
to
it
as
soon
as
we
can?
Yes,.
B
B
So,
for
the
second
time,
I'm
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
review
the
different
elements
of
the
bill,
and
then
I'm
going
to
ask
each
one
of
our
guests
to
speak.
So,
basically,
the
elements
of
the
bill
are
updating
current
law
impacting
parent
consent
and
protection
of
minors.
The
judicial
bypass
guidelines
that
are
currently
in
place.
We
are
actually
strengthening
them.
The
dignified
care
for
the
terminated
remains
of
pregnancy
loss,
the
updated
reporting,
pregnancy
termination,
statics
statistics
and
the
chemical,
medical,
pregnancy
termination,
health
guidelines
and
no
taxpayer
funding
of
abortions
in
kentucky.
B
S
I'm
going
to
basically
again
say
thank
you.
Thank
you
to
the
co-sponsor
the
spill
members
of
the
committee
and
the
pro-life
caucus.
Everyone
who's
collectively
worked
on
this
major
piece
of
legislation.
Awesome
five
important
points
of
pro-life
legislation
wrapped
into
one,
but
I'm
gonna.
We
have
a
physician
that
was
going
to
be
with
us
today.
S
He's
emergency
room
doctor
and
he's
text
me
his
testimony
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
put
these
glasses
on
and
read
that
to
you,
but
I
think
you'll
hear
his
experience
as
an
emergency
room
doctor,
because
part
of
this
bill
we'll
talk
about
is
about
the
changes
in
a
very
risky
business
and
that's
mail
order.
Abortion
in
these
early
abortion
pills.
So
I'm
going
to
go
on
and
share
that
now
with
you.
If
I
may,
dr
tyler
johnson
is
an
emergency
room.
S
S
There
is
this
readily
acts,
easy
access
over
the
phone
and
internet
and
through
the
mail.
The
medications
in
question
me
prostrate
and
progesterone
antagonist
that
kills
the
pre-born
baby
and
the
second
pill
that
contracts
the
uterus
for
expulsion
of
the
recently
deceased
pre-born
baby
within
the
mother.
S
S
Several
complications
which
are
life-threatening
or
may
be
life-threatening
are
hemorrhage
infections,
sepsis
complications
of
an
ectopic
pregnancy
which
cannot
be
detected
while
at
home
without
an
ultrasound
and
income
and
incomplete
abortions,
or
when
the
patient
takes
the
medication
later
in
their
pregnancy
than
they
thought
they
were.
Not
only
do
these
pills
end
up
killing
the
pre-born
baby,
but
there
is
a
real
unexaggerated
concern
for
the
mom
and
the
pregnant
mom
in
the
emergency
room
department.
We
see
complications
for,
fortunately,
we
do
not
always
have
the
full
story,
and
women
do
not
always
share
that.
S
They
took
these
medications.
This
makes
it
difficult
to
track
and
measure
complications
from
these
aborted
medications.
I
have
women
coming
in
hemorrhaging
near
death.
After
being
told,
these
medications
were
safe.
I
have
had
women
come
in
post
abortive
with
severe
infections.
I
am
purposeful
with
women
who
have
signs
of
possible
abortion
complications
to
ask
about
the
pill.
Complications
do
not
allow
people
to
talk
about
quality
of
health
care
and
then
step
aside
from
their
oath.
As
a
physician,
we
track
many
medications
more
closely.
S
This
bill
also
includes
the
importance
of
testing
women
to
assure
that
they're,
not
rh
negative,
because
the
complication
is
not
just
in
that
pregnancy
or
that
pregnancy
loss
miscarriage
or
abortion,
but
is
the
pregnancies
that
follow
which
could
end
in
miscarriage
or
pregnancy
future
pregnancy
loss.
I'm
going
to
end
my
testimony
now.
We've
got
some
great
speakers
to
move
forward,
but
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
share
dr
dr
johnson's.
Testimony.
K
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
today.
I,
in
my
role
with
americans,
united
for
life,
I
travel
around
the
country
and
speak
about
these
issues
with
lawmakers
all
over
the
place
and
I'm
really
glad
to
see
kentucky
taking
seriously
this
important
issue,
I'd
like
to
speak
for
a
minute
about
what
the
fda
did
in
december.
I
think
there's
been
a
little
bit
of
confusion.
K
The
fda
did
not
remove
all
rems,
which
are
the
regulations
on
dangerous
drugs.
These
are
regulations
put
on
a
drug
if
you
think
of
something
like
accutane
a
drug
where
there
are
known
complications
and
it
cannot
be
given
over
the
counter
what
they
did
was
they
removed
the
in-person
dispensing
requirement.
This
was
done
based
on
politics,
the
fda,
just
a
few
months
before
that
in
the
trump
administration
had
gone
all
the
way
to
the
united
states
supreme
court
to
defend
the
in-person
dispensing
requirements.
K
This
was
a
completely
political
move
based
on
the
desires
of
the
abortion
industry
and
not
based
on
the
medicine,
and
we
know
that,
because
in
2016
under
barack
obama,
the
fda
removed
complication,
reporting
requirements
for
all
complications,
except
for
death.
So
the
same
data
that
they
say
means
that
there
are
no
complications.
K
We
only
have
no
data
because
the
fda
stopped
collecting
it
five
years
ago.
We
know
when
we
look
at
data
from
european
countries
where
they
have
government-funded
healthcare
and
much
better
data
nationwide
than
we
do,
because
we
have
a
50-state
patchwork.
That
complications
can
be
as
high
as
six
percent
under
the
first
10
weeks
and
go
up
much
higher
every
single
week
of
pregnancy
and
in
the
united
kingdom,
they've
recently
reversed
their
male
abortion
system
after
two
years,
because
they've
had
emts
and
doctors
in
emergency
rooms
complaining
about
how
high
those
complications
are.
So
that's.
K
K
What
this
does
is
requires
that
kentucky
women
see
kentucky
doctors
to
be
screened
for
ectopic
pregnancy,
and
I
was
so
sorry
and
heartbroken
to
hear
that
story,
but
that
was
a
best
case
scenario
that
she
was
seeing
a
doctor
regularly.
She
saw
a
doctor
multiple
times
if
you
go
on
one
of
these
websites
or
even
if
you
go
to
an
abortion
clinic,
and
they
do
not
do
an
ultrasound
to
screen
for
ectopic
pregnancy,
a
woman
may
actually
think
that
she
is
having
a
normal
chemical
abortion.
Where
the
fda
says.
K
You
should
expect
to
bleed
for
9
to
16
days
while
she
is
suffering
an
ept,
ectopic,
rupture
and
she's
may
not
make
it
to
the
emergency
room
in
time.
We
recently
saw
a
story
out
of
india
where
a
woman
thought
she
was
having
a
normal
chemical
abortion
and
she
died
at
her
home
from
ectopic
rupture.
This
is
why
we
need
to
keep
the
serious
procedure
in
doc
in
local
doctors,
offices
and
local
hospitals
and
not
use
these
online
companies
who
cannot
possibly
test
for
contraindications
and
they
cannot
possibly
provide
complication
management.
R
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
chemical
abortion,
as
we
talk
about
it,
is
the
is
the
dangerous
two
drug
regimen
that
some
people
call.
Are
you
486
or
you've
heard
of
that?
This
is
not
the
morning
after
pill
which
is
available
in
all
pharmacies.
Now
this
is
not
miscarriage
care.
This
is
defined
as
the
use
of
drugs
specifically
to
cause
an
abortion
and
after
until
the
fda's
decision
10
weeks
ago,
it
is
not
been
available
at
pharmacies
and
going
forward
because
of
the
fda's
decision
10
weeks
ago.
R
If
a
pharmacy
does
want
to
begin
to
carry
this
or
dispense
this
upon
prescription.
Just
like
other
dogs,
it
has
to
be
certified
by
the
manufacturer,
so
there's
still
a
little
fda
requirement,
even
for
pharmacies
but
they're
new
to
this
scene,
they're
they're
not
dispensing
or
giving
out
abortion
drugs,
as
we
know
it
today.
So
that
is
one
reason
why
there
is
a
certification
program
built
into
here,
because
if
doctors
or
if
pharmacies
in
kentucky
do
get
certified
to
do
that,
you'll
never
know
who
they
are.
You
won't
know
who's
doing
it
in
your
state.
R
You
can't
call
the
manufacturer-
and
I'm
just
going
to
tell
you
so
it's
just
it
mimics
that
just
as
a
certification,
so
you
can
track
and
follow
and
know
in
your
state.
What's
going
on,
these
drugs
are
for
aborting
pregnancies
further
along
on
larger
babies
than
than
say
the
morning
after
pill.
If
you
will
to
abortion-minded
women,
it
seems
easier
just
to
take
pills,
take
drugs,
but
it's
actually
fraught
with
the
medical
landmines
that
we've
alluded
to
it's
more
than
of
all
abortions
nationwide.
R
Last
week
there,
the
guttmacher
institute
actually
released
new
statistics
that
it
is
now
54
it's
over
half
of
all
abortions
in
our
country
in
kentucky
chemical,
abortion
has
now
outpaced,
surgical
abortion.
The
newest
figures
for
2020
show
that
in
kentucky
chemical,
abortion
was
51,
and
this
new
frontier
has
really
snuck
up
on
states.
R
Abortion
activists
have
been
quietly
building
a
whole
new
business
model
to
target
young
women
where
they
live
most
on
their
phones
to
click
and
to
get
the
the
drugs
by
mail
that
makes
every
bathroom
every
and
your
home
or
the
dorm
bathroom
is
become
the
new
abortion
clinic.
R
So
that
is
the
a
main
feature
of
house
bill
3.
it.
It
also
recognizes
the
business
side,
if
you
will,
of
the
abortion
industry
tracking
the
movement
of
the
drugs.
As
I
said,
knowing
who's
certified.
R
R
Is
corporate
production
as
well
as
maybe
a
doctor
in
her
his
or
her
office,
and
so
that's
where
all
state
laws,
not
not
just
kentucky,
but
a
lot
of
our
state
laws,
are
kind
of
old
and
have
not
kept
pace
with
this
and
come
up
in
today's
big
business.
R
A
recent
study
just
released
that
between
2002
and
2015
emergency
room
visits
rose
more
than
500
percent
after
the
chemical
abortion
fat
functions
that
we're
providing
but
never
producing
complications,
and
then
by
2015
there
were
five
abortion
chemical
abortion
related
emergency
visits
for
every
100
chemical
abortion
case.
R
Also,
they
found
that
their
with
their
post
post
office
mail
order,
abortion
program
that
emerg
ambulance
calls
were
double
in
emergency
room
visits
because
of
a
woman,
maybe
got
them
at
home
and
took
them
incorrectly
and
wound
up
getting
very
sick.
There's
more
that
I
could
say,
I
know
that
we're
running
out
of
time,
but
I
think,
as
with
a
lot
of
things,
we
follow
europe
and
we're
about
to
see
them
turn
around
their
experiment
on
telemedicine.
R
This
is
an
in-person
type
of
procedure
that
contraindications
and
pre-existing
conditions
need
to
be
carefully
considered.
A
All
right,
we
have
a
motion,
do
we
have
a
second,
we
have
seconds,
and
I
am
going
to
that.
It's
25
after
it's
perfect,
but
I
have
already
said
that
representative
stevenson.
I
will
honor
a
question
from
you
and
I'm
not
sure
which
group
so
someone
else
might
have
to
step
up.
A
J
N
I
agree
representative
stevens,
and
this
is
actually
definitely
government
interference
with
the
physician-patient
relationship,
which
is
one
that
is
completely
private.
J
N
R
Yes,
please,
and
thank
you
very
much.
There
was
a
study
recently
conducted
looking
at
actual
medicaid
medicaid
billing
documents
from
2000
to
2015
and
looking
at
the
complication
rate
a
week
or
two
weeks
after
a
chemical
abortion,
a
medical
abortion
and
between
2000
and
2015,
the
rate
of
complications
seen
in
the
emergency
rooms
based
on
medicaid
billing
documents
went
up,
500
percent.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
didn't
realize
I
get
to
be
the
one
and
only
thank
you.
You
know
I
have
a
group
of
students
that
drove
up
today
from
a
school
to
witness,
to
watch
this
proceeding
and
to
also
participate
in
a
rally
later
today.
Thankfully
they're
those
parents
made
the
choice
for
them
to
to
be
born.
L
Thankfully
all
of
his
parents
had
that
choice
made
what
I
think
has
been
lost
so
often
in
this
argument
about
abortion
and
abortion
rights
is
the
right
of
that
human
that
is
inside.
That
mother-
and
I
heard
one
person,
make
the
comment
that
that's
not
a
person
inside
of
there.
I'm
not
sure
why
the
location
of
a.
L
I
we
had
one
person
talk
about
an
ectopic
pregnancy.
That
is
absolutely
a
dangerous
thing
for,
for
a
woman,
it
can
be
life-threatening
and
I
don't.
I
can
speak
for
myself
and
I
believe
I
speak
for
everybody
on
this
committee
when
the
life
of
a
woman
is
in
is
in
in
danger.
That
is
health
care
that
needs
to
be
taken
care
of.
L
L
The
woman
in
question-
and
that's
that's
why
I
think
so
much
of
us
have
a
problem-
is
that
we
got
to
realize
the
humanity
of
that
of
the
person.
That
is
has
the
same
rights
that
you
and
I
do,
and
I
I
know
it's
a
tough
call.
I
know
it's
a
tough
decision,
but
it
we
can't
lose
sight
of
the
humanity
of
everybody
and
the
creation
that
they
are.
Thank
you.
A
All
right
I'm
going
to
allow
dr
peterson,
if
you
want
just
maybe
a
minute
or
two
of
anything
you
want
to
say
and
then
miss
wooshner.
If
you
would
too
and
then
we'll
close
and
we're
going
to
call
royal
okay.
N
I
would
just
like
to
reiterate
again
that
medication
abortion,
as
far
as
I've
seen
in
my
practice,
is
far
safer
than
any
other
procedure
that
we
offer
as
obstetrician
gynecologists,
including
the
most
common
procedure
that
we
take
part
in
which
is
spontaneous
vaginal
delivery
complication
rates
over
the
last
22
years,
cumulatively,
with
medication,
abortion
are
less
than
one
percent,
and
that
is
data
that
we
can
provide
to.
You.
N
I
think
that
our
tax
dollars
would
be
better
spent,
monitoring
and
tracking
these
dispense
of
opioids,
which
cause
far
more
deaths
than
medication
abortion.
I
think
that
we
could
use
our
government
resources
and
our
taxpayer
dollars
for
the
greater
good
in
that
manner.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
A
S
Just
when
we
spoke
about
the
medical
complications
and
I'll
just
share
from
dr
johnson's
point
of
view
and
from
some
of
the
emergency
room,
doctors,
not
so
much
ob
gyns,
but
just
that
they
shared
their
concern-
is,
is
a
growing
trend
and
when
you
start
medically
as
a
former
hospital
nurse
and
a
hustle
administrator,
what
happens?
Is
you
start
to
see
a
pattern
of
trends?
First,
you
ask
the
question:
why
are
we
seeing
so
much
bleeding?
S
Why
are
we
seeing
these
complications
and
then
you
begin
to
delve
into
it
more,
and
so
this
growing
trend
has
raised
a
concern
that
they're
issuing
want
to
issuing
alerts
to
other
emergency
rooms
so
that
they
can
start
to
be
aware
of
what
they're,
seeing
since
it's
quite
different
than
what
they've
seen
in
the
past,
and
it
is
concerning
for
young
girls
and
women
coming
in.
Secondly,
I
want
to
commend
the
members
of
the
general
assembly.
We
often
hear
that
there's
not
care
for
the
woman
post
after
her
child.
S
You
just
passed
this
session
and
it's
now
resting
over
in
the
senate
house
bill
74
ex
and
it
was
a
bipartisan
bill.
Extending
medicare
benefits,
medicaid
benefits
post
part
to
postpartum
women
for
12
months
after
delivery.
So
I
want
to.
I
want
to
really
commend
you,
because
that
means
so
much
we've
always
kept
taking
care
of
the
baby's
health,
but
now
you're
extending
that
to
also
that
mom
who
may
need
that
special
health
care
after
after
her
delivery.
S
A
All
right,
thank
you
so
much.
Mr
secretary,
please
call
roll.
J
L
A
M
F
C
J
E
Briefly,
explain
my
vote.
It's
actually
more
of
a
question.
I
don't
know
why
you
all
did
not
bring
a
kentucky
doctor
to
testify
about
what's
actually
going
on
in
kentucky.
The
other
side
did,
and
that's
that's
troubling
to
me.
If
we're
going
to
talk
about
kentucky
law,
we've
heard
this
indiana
bill.
I
heard
in
judiciary,
I
think,
a
couple
of
years
ago,
representative,
tate,
you
know
again.
I
would
like
to
have
heard
from
a
kentucky
doctor,
not
somebody
out
of
state
and
not
someone
who's
currently
running
for
office
out
of
state.
J
My
vote,
you
know
under
current
law,
if
you
don't
want
to
have
an
abortion,
don't
have
one
just
don't
have
one,
and
the
pro-life
is
really
pro-birth,
because
when
the
children
are
born,
we
have
thousands
of
children
in
the
healthcare
of
the
foster
care
system
that
no
one's
taking
care
of.
We
have
thousands
of
children
being
abused
and
you're,
not
bringing
forth
bills
to
end
that
so
take
care
of
those
kids
and
let
women
have
the
right
to
their
bodies
and
the
medical
relationship
they
have
with
their
doctors.
J
I
don't
see
any
other
area
where
we
walk
into
a
doctor's
relationship
and
say
give
him
this
treatment
give
her
this
treatment.
We
just
want
to
keep
women
under
our
thumb
and
not
allow
them
to
make
decisions
as
if
they're,
kids
and
then
the
last
thing
is
this
bill
will
make
a
child
that's
been
raped
by
her
father,
get
his
permission
to
get
an
abortion
before
she
can
even
have
one.
What's
he
gonna
say,
and
then
she
has
to
navigate
a
legal
system
to
get
permission.
J
D
A
B
Yes,
I've
heard
the
word
fetus
mentioned
a
couple
times
in
this
meeting,
and
a
lot
of
people
refers
to
the
word,
fetus
being
a
a
ball
of
cells
or
a
blob.
It's
a
latin
word.
That
means
baby
we're
talking
about
the
life
of
a
human
being,
a
baby.
That's
that's
the
discussion
today.