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A
We
want
to
welcome
everyone
to
the
second
house
education
committee
meeting
of
this
general
assembly.
I'll
also
want
to
ask
that
everyone,
please
silence
their
phones
to
or
in
order
to
avoid
interruptions,
and
if
you're
joining
us
remotely
re
members
may
be
considered
present
and
vote
on
bills.
A
If
you
are
participating
from
your
annex
office,
if
you
are
participating
remotely,
but
you
are
not
from
your
annex
office,
you
can
participate
in
the
discussion
of
the
bill,
but
you
will
not
be
able
to
vote
when
you
join
the
meeting
remotely
your
microphones
are
automatically
muted.
So
please
remember
to
unmute
your
microphones
before
speaking.
If
you
have
any
questions
or
comments
during
the
meeting,
please
indicate
those
in
the
chat
function
and
we
will
get
to
them
as
quickly
as
possible
and
with
all
that
mariah.
Please
call
the
roll.
B
A
Present
in
the
room,
we
will
go
ahead
and
get
started.
Our
first
bill
for
consideration
house
bill
63
will
not
be
heard
today
at
the
request
of
the
sponsor,
so
that
will
be
tabled.
So
we
will
go
on
to
the
next
bill
for
consideration
and
that
is
house
bill,
85
an
act
relating
to
dual
credit
scholarships
with
the
sponsor
representative,
james
tipton.
If
you
would
please
go
to
the
table
with
your
guest,
each
one
introduce
themselves
for
the
record
and
then
proceed.
G
G
Along
came
the
work
ready,
kentucky
scholarship
program
that
allowed
for
students
who
had
graduated
high
school
had
their
high
school
equivalency
diploma,
who
had
not
yet
achieved
an
associate's
degree
to
apply
for
that
scholarship.
That's
a
last
dollar
in
scholarship
for
students.
Enrolling
in
course,
work
involved
in
the
high
five
demand
areas,
and
it's
been
very
successful.
We've
seen
that
program
grow
from
there
in
the
bevin
administration,
the
he
did
an
executive
order.
G
It
was
codified
in
statute
that
took
that
work-ready
kentucky
scholarship
and
put
it
down
applied
it
down
to
the
high
school
level
and
that
allowed
students
to
take
two
dual
credit
courses
each
year.
So
we
had
a
total
of
10
dual
credit
courses
and
talking
to
kia
there
is
some,
it
was
difficult
to
explain
difficult
to
administer
so
back
in
2020.
We
started
this
process
of
where
we
are
of
house
bill
85
and
the
gold
house
bill
85
we're
not
adding
any
dual
credit
scholarships.
G
The
original
two
plus
to
eight
that
came
from
the
work,
ready,
kentucky
scholarship
and
they're
all
in
the
dual
credit
scholarship
program,
we're
setting
the
work
ready
kentucky
scholarship
over
to
its
original
purpose
for
those
students
who
are
post-graduate
of
high
school.
So
that's
the
main
thing
we're
doing
it's
better.
They
have
shared
with
me
it's
much
easier
to
explain
that
to
students
and
parents,
it's
much
easier
for
them
to
administer
program.
G
As
I
mentioned
back
in
2020,
we
began
this
process
because
you
all
know
that's
when
covet
hit
that
bill
that
I
had.
I
was
over
in
the
senate
and
did
not
finish
over
in
the
senate.
We
did
put
language
in
the
budget,
so
we've
actually
been
operating
under
that
situation
since
2020
through
budget
language,
and
this
is
to
codify
this
language
into
statute.
G
A
couple
of
other
provisions
in
the
bill
and
dr
shapada.
I'm
going
to
ask
him
in
a
moment
to
explain
that.
But
the
existing
statute
says
that
institutions
that
provide
these
coursework
for
these
scholarships
one-third
reimbursement
rate
they
had
requested
a
50
reimbursement
in
the
budget
language.
G
If
any
of
you
know,
leader
rudy,
I
was
managed
to
negotiate
up
to
40
percent
in
the
last
two
years
in
the
budget,
but
this
bill
asks
for
a
50
reimbursement
rate
and
at
this
time,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
dr
zaparda
and
have
him
share
the
reason
for
their
ask
on
this
sure.
Thank.
H
G
H
Much
kctcs
is
the
leading
provider
of
dual
credit
across
the
state
and
over
the
last
five
years,
we've
increased
dual
credit
by
90
percent
and
this
past
fall
over
30
percent
of
our
students
were
dual
credit
students
in
high
school
and
then
for
the
2021
academic
year.
We
had
20
701
students
that
were
enrolled
in
dual
credit.
A
A
E
Yes,
sir,
thank
you,
madam
terrified
appreciate
the
opportunity
and
we
had
opportunity
to
talk
before
about
data
and
matter
of
fact.
It
says
in
the
bill
that
this
data
will
be
provided
and
I'm
certainly
a
supporter
of
dual
credit,
but
I'd
like
to
see
the
data
to
show
how
successful
students
are
once
they
earn
that
dual
credit.
Are
they
the?
Are
they
successful
at
the
next
level,
and
I
just
think
it
really
enhances
the
program
if
we've
got
that
data
available.
H
We
can
certainly
get
that
we're
in
the
process
right
now
of
some
longitudinal
studies,
but
we
can
certainly
get
that
data
to
you.
Okay,.
G
Thank
you
if
I
could
add
that
representative
mccool,
I
understood
your
concerns
in
reading
the
bill.
There's
actually
language
existing
language
in
the
bill
going
back
on
page
four
at
the
very
top
starting
there
in
line
three
and
the
kentucky
center
for
statistics
is
responsible
to
collect
the
data,
publish
data
on
the
program,
academic
and
workforce
outcomes
and
they're
charged
with
delivering
that
information
to
interim
joint
committee
on
education.
G
Now
previously
that
was
under
the
education
and
workforce
cabinet,
and
this
language
will
change
that
to
the
kentucky
center
for
statistics,
they're
also
charged
with
doing
a
similar
study
and
publishing
on
the
work
ready
kentucky
scholarship
portion
as
well.
So
so
k-stats
will
be
providing
this
data.
They
have
not
in
the
past.
E
Thank
you
thank
you,
representative,
and
I
I
did
read
that
and
I
know
that's
part
of
the
bill,
which
is
a
good
thing.
I
just
haven't
seen
the
results
yet
sure.
That's
that's
what
I'm
looking
for.
So.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
E
D
E
Know
I
explain
my
vote,
madam
chair,
I'm
going
to
vote
yesterday,
but
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
that
data
before
I
vote
for
it
on
the
floor.
So
yes,
thank
you.
G
H
H
A
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
Thank
you.
We're
going
to
go
a
little
bit
out
of
order
with
hearing
house
bill,
234
next,
an
act
relating
to
kentucky
educational
excellence
and
scholarship
programs.
If
the
sponsor
representative
lawrence
will
come
to
the
table.
I
You,
madam
chair,
ladies
and
gentlemen
of
the
committee,
I've
today
with
me,
my
colleague,
matt
la
I'm,
sorry,
I'm
matt,
cook
and
adam
hinton
is
the
owner
of
the
kwi
welding
institute.
He
will
be
attending
today
via
zoom.
If
he's
available,
we
thought
we
were
going
last.
I
Yes,
there
is
this
bill
house
bill.
234
is
the
exact
same
bill
that
we
had
passed
last
year
through
the
house
and
brought
it
through
this
committee
passed
overwhelmingly?
I
The
bill
will
allow
students
to
use
the
keys
money
to
go
to
proprietary
schools,
that
being
like
welding
institutes,
plumbing
plumbing
schools
electrical
to
get
the
trades
industry
booming
again
as
it
is
in
kentucky
most
of
the
factories
that
you
go
and
talk
to
are
looking
for
skilled
trades
people
reality
of
it
try
to
hire
a
hvac
person
today
or
an
electrician
or
a
plumber,
or
someone
like
that
they're
very
few
and
far
between.
I
I
I
J
Yeah,
thank
you,
representative
lawrence
representative
cook.
I
testified
testified
in
front
of
this
this
group
last
year
on
on
this
bill,
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
heard
again
today,
kentucky
welding
institute,
probably
like
a
lot
of
you
guys.
I
think
the
starting
point
there's
three
questions
that
I
wanted
to
to
address.
J
If
you
guys
are
like
me,
you
probably
didn't
know
a
lot
about
what
the
process
is
to
start
a
school
in
kentucky,
so
we
started
kwi.
We
started
exploring
kwi
in
in
2014
because
we
saw
that
there
was
a
demand
for
welding
jobs
and
other
trade
jobs
in
our
part
of
the
country,
but
more
specifically
because
we
were
seeing
the
students
from
our
part
of
the
state
that
were
leaving
our
area
to
work
and
live
elsewhere.
J
J
The
next
question,
besides,
how
do
you
start
a
school
is?
Is
that
we
didn't
realize
is
the
type
of
students
that
we
would
attract?
I
went
to
a
four-year
college
here
in
kentucky
worked
at
a
four-year
college,
serve
on
the
board
of
regents
of
one
of
our
four-year
universities,
so
to
to
say
that
I
was
a
little
out
of
touch
with
the
type
of
students
that
go
to
a
trade.
School
is
was
probably
a
little
bit
of
an
understatement.
J
Since
we
opened
in
august
of
2015,
we've
had
544
total
graduates.
299
of
those
have
come
from
kentucky.
J
These
students
are
from
40
something
different
states,
including
five
from
alaska
that
have
come
to
our
little
town
of
3100
in
kentucky
73
of
kentucky's
counties,
and
then
there's
there's
students
that
are
enrolled
in
the
coming
months.
That
will
be
coming
from
11
other
kentucky
counties.
J
We
currently
have
65
students
that
are
in
classes
across
two
shifts.
Today,
our
students
are
both
male
and
female
all
ages,
both
urban
and
rural,
from
a
wide
range
of
backgrounds
and
many
of
our
graduates
are
getting
jobs
in
kentucky
in
in
the
past
year,
74
kentucky
kentucky
weather
institute
graduates
have
gone
to
work
for
companies
in
kentucky
likely
for
an
employer
in
in
your
respective
districts.
J
J
So
when
you
start
a
school
you're
not
eligible
for
to
accept
virtually
any
public
money,
either
state
or
federal,
there's
a
few
exceptions.
The
gi
bill
is
one
of
those,
but
we're
presently
going
through.
We
have
been
for
a
long
time
going
through
an
accreditation
process,
we're
actually
going
through
that
process
to
become
dual
accredited,
so
we'll
be
with
accredited
with
two
different
accrediting
agencies
when
that's
complete,
but
this
process
is
limpy
it's
expensive
and
it
ties
up
a
tremendous
amount
of
of
man-hours.
J
So
I
didn't
know
about
keys
until
I
started
welding
school
keys
was
set
up
by
the
general
assembly
in
1998.
I
graduated
high
school
prior
to
that.
So
the
first
time
that
I
heard
about
keys
money
was
when
we
started
kwi
almost
instantly
from
from
parents
and
the
students
that
were
interested
in
attending
kwi.
J
No
doubt
we
do
a
good
job
of
marketing
keys
money
in
in
kentucky,
because
all
of
the
students
that
were
eligible
for
for
keys
money
or
had
earned
keys
money
during
their
time
in
high
school
by
their
hard
work,
made
us
aware
that
they
had
earned
this
money.
So
it
put
us
in
a
situation
where
we
could
either
not
accept
that
money
or
not
recognize
that
money
or
that
we
could
take
that
money
off
the
top
ourselves.
So
we
acknowledge
the
keys
money
that
our
students
have
earned.
J
J
So
for
the
last
you
know,
since
since
we
started
in
2015
through
december
of
2021,
we
have
given
an
average
of
20
965
dollars
to
honor
this
keys
money
for
these
students
that
we
feel
like
have
earned
that
no
doubt
that
there's
many
other
kentucky
proprietary
schools
that
are
unable
to
do
what
we're
able
to
do
and
honor
this
money.
J
Actually,
the
late
ma'am
kearney
came
for
a
visit
of
kwi
and
he
he
talked
to
us
about
this
concept
to
our
ownership
team.
Not
too
many.
I
guess
within
a
year
or
so
after
that
we
got
connected
with
representative
lawrence
who's
carried
this
bill,
and
we
appreciate
that.
A
We
have
a
couple
of
questions
before
we
do
that
voting.
Let's
see
representative.
C
Bojanowski
hi
welcome
back
mr
hinton.
I
believe
we
talked
last
time
that
you
presented
this
bill.
I'm
asking
about
the
eligible
to
participate
in
federal,
pell
grant
and
you
you've
said
you're
in
business
for
more
than
seven
years
and
that
you're
in
the
process
of
getting
accredited,
but
it's
expensive
and
requires
a
lot
of
man
hours.
But
you've
also
said
that
financial
obstacles
are
of
the
greatest
that
keep.
You
know
young
people
or
potential
students
from
joining
your
program.
J
Thank
you
for
the
question
the
to
go
through
an
accreditation
process.
You
have
to
be
in
business
for
a
minimum
of
three
years
and
and
then
there's
a
checklist
of
things
that
you
have
to
be
able
to
provide
such
as.
Are
you
financially
solvent
the
success
of
your
your
students,
your
graduation
rate,
you
have
to
become.
You
have
to
get
an
entity,
a
third
party
to
verify
your
your
graduation
rate.
J
Your
employment
rate,
ours,
is
over
92
percent
of
our
our
students
are,
are
employed
within
the
first,
the
qualifying
number
of
months
for
this
entity,
so
you
have
to
go
through
this
process.
We've
been
in
this,
I
guess
in
this
funnel,
since
we
became
eligible
after
our
third
year
of
business
and
like
a
lot
of
things,
believe
it
or
not.
J
When
you
deal
with
bureaucrats
and
and
folks
that
are
with
these
entities
like
an
accredited
agency,
that,
for
whatever
reason,
they're
not
as
in
big
a
a
bigger
hurry,
as
we
are
so
coveted,
of
course,
has
hit
the
the
brakes
on
this.
The
only
thing
that
we're
waiting
for
with
the
first
accrediting
entity,
the
accsc
is
for
them
to
do
an
in-person
visit
at
our
institution
and
they
they're
required
to
do
that
by
their
bylaws.
J
So
we
we've
been
waiting
since
early
2020
during
coving
for
them
to
come
and
and
do
that,
walk
through.
C
Okay,
so
is
that
all
that
you
need
to
do
then
to
become
eligible
to
accept
federal,
pell,
grant
money.
J
I
at
that
point
we
become
I'm
I'm
gonna
have
to.
I
don't
know
that
I
can
can
answer
that
question
thoroughly,
but
at
that
point
we
become
a
pell
grant
eligible
to
accept
pedal
grant
money
as
we
as
we
understand
it,
and
as
we
understand
that
yes,
ma'am.
K
L
Sure,
thanks
for
the
question
representative
scott,
I
I
think
I
guess
let
me
start
off
with
this.
The
reason
I'm
sitting
at
this
table
today
is
because
there's
a
stigma
that
goes
with
these
type
of
schools,
vocational
schools,
trade,
schools,
and
I
know
this
because
I'm
a
product,
I'm
a
product
of
one
of
them.
This
is
how
I
got
my
start.
L
I
went
to
kentucky
horseshoeing
school
and
I
was
able
to
take
that
I
paid
for
paid
for
100
of
my
college
graduated
on
time
and
debt-free
because
of
going
going
to
one
of
these
proprietary
schools
and
what
we
have
to
focus
on
with
that
question.
Is
these
students
have
earned
that
money?
Okay
and
they're
going
to
use
this
money
to
go
somewhere
and
right
now
we're
following
them?
They
we're
saying
that
they
have
to
go
this
direction
if
they
want
to
use
the
money
that
they've
earned.
L
We
are
trying
to
open
that
door
so
that
these
students
can
use
these
for
other,
whether
it's
a
kentucky
welding
institute,
whether
it's
kentucky
horseshoe
in
school,
whether
it's
going
to
get
their
cdl
license.
I
think
I
think
the
there's
a
really
it's
in
it's
limitless
what
they
can
do
with
this
to
put
a
number
on
this,
what
it
would
be,
I
don't
think
there's
any
way
to
do
it,
because
there's
no
determination
of
how
many
kentucky
students
will
choose
to
go
down
that
path.
But
the
point
is
they've
already
earned
that
money.
J
If
is
that
correct,
but
because,
if
so,
at
schools
like
kentucky
horseshoeing
kentucky
welding
institute
and
other
proprietary
schools,
that's
at
one
time
most
of
those
institutions
are,
are
a
one
year
or
less
a
one-time
program,
an
accelerated
pace
program.
So
it's
actually
a
less
investment
by
our
state
to
be
able
to
to
put
into
students
that
are
attending
proprietary
schools
versus
elsewhere,
and
I
would
argue,
a
greater
return.
I
I
It's
sad
that
we
have
basically
built
that
money
that
budget
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
and
we
sort
of
bet
on
well,
hopefully
only
20
use
it,
because
if
that
does
then
we'll
be
okay,
we
can
never
over
invest
into
kentucky's
education
system.
We
can
never
over
invest
into
the
next
generation
workforce.
In
my
opinion,
I
know
that
the
kia
has
brought
up
some
questions
about
the
funding
and
things
like
that.
Our
general
assembly
with
house
bill
one
I
mean
we've
put
so
much
money
back.
I
L
And
plus
you've
got
you've
got
a
high
school
senior.
One
of
them
is
going
to
choose
to
go
to
university
of
kentucky
university
louisville
and
they
get
to
collect
their
keys
money.
Then
you've
got
another
another
senior
who's
going
to
sit
there
and
go
to
the
welding
institute.
No,
you
don't
get
your
keys
money
and
this
putin's
going
to
be
put
out
in
the
workforce
in
a
year,
they're
going
to
be
making
an
extremely
good
living
they're
going
to
stay
right
here
in
kentucky
him
right
back
into
the
system.
K
J
We
we
accept
the
work
ready,
scholarship
at
kentucky
welding
institute,
but
our
peers
at
the
let's
say
that
at
the
community
college
system
are
able
to
accept
both
keys
and
the
kentucky
work
ready
scholarship,
and
we
just
ask
for
ask
for
that
same
option,
and
we
just
see
that
this
is
a
bill.
That
thinks
makes
things
more
inclusive
for
kentuckians,
removes
obstacles
and
provides
opportunities
and
appreciate
you
considering
it.
A
Thank
you,
representative,
mccool.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
No
question
just
a
few
comments.
If
I
may,
I
actually
have
reviewed
your
the
program
online.
You
can
see
a
lot
of
what
you
do
online
and
being
an
old
welder,
myself
and
aws
inspector.
All
that
when
you're
saying
you
said
some
key
words
there
to
me,
that's
really
important
that
I
hope
the
rest
of
the
body
hears
as
well.
American
welding
society
is
the
leader
in
in
welding
and
not
only
for
our
country,
but
internationally
they
set
the
standards.
E
They're,
not
they're,
not
they're,
separate
entity;
they
don't
they
don't
hold
to
any
any
agency.
They
are
separate
and
they'll
have
oversight
so
when
you're
associated
with
them
you're
going
to
do
it
the
right
way
or
you're
not
going
to
be
in
it
long.
I
also
wan
one
of
one
of
the
comments
I
want
to
make
that
really
stands
out
to
me.
You're
talking
about
students
and
we're
trying
to
serve
students.
One
thing
that
I
was
great,
you
know
greatly
heard
heard
you
say
was
job
placement.
E
The
key
is
getting
them
trained,
get
them
through
it
and
getting
them
a
job,
so
they
become
gainfully
employed
and
a
taxpayer
so
and
you're
in
your
in
a
job.
Placement
is
extremely
high
and
you
maintain
that.
So
that's
no
doubt
it's
a
real
good
program.
I'd
love
to
see
it
someday,
but
I
don't
think
I
can
still
do
what
I
used
to
do,
but
at
least
I
can
recognize
what
good
quality
work,
but
thank
you
for
bringing
this
forward.
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Ma'am
sure.
D
Personally
for
myself,
this
legislation
has
my
utmost
support,
as
you
mentioned,
with
the
keys
dollars,
though,
those
dollars
do
belong
to
the
students,
if
they're
available
there
for
post-secondary
universities
or
for
our
community
colleges,
it's
just
as
important
to
be
available
for
our
vocational
technical
school
students
as
well.
I
know
in
representing
a
rural
area
such
as
I
do
in
christian
county
in
hopkins
county,
one
of
the
things
you
hear
over
and
over,
especially
when
you
speak
with
electrical
contractors.
D
Hvac
repair
individuals,
anyone
along
those
field
plumbers,
there
are,
there
is
a
demand
and
openings
for
individuals
to
move
straight
into
these
slots
into
positions,
making
upwards
40
50
60
000
a
year
after
being
in
school
for
two
years,
that's
money
equal
to
or
greater
than
what
some
of
our
students
are
coming
out
of
college
with
bachelor
degrees.
D
So
we
have
an
opportunity
right
here
to
give
our
young
people
a
chance
at
once
again
being
successful
and
wanting
to
stay
here
in
our
state,
because
these
positions
are
available
here
in
kentucky,
and
our
goal
is
to
keep
them
here
rather
than
leaving
going
to
an
outside
state.
Also,
I
know
these
schools
representing
fort
campbell
many
of
our
military
personnel
when
they
are
leaving
service,
they
are
going
to
tennessee
and
actually
using
their
funds
from
the
military
to
study
these
same
type
of
jobs
right
here
and
by
encouraging
these
vocational
skills.
D
Here
in
the
commonwealth,
our
goal
is
to
keep
these
military
personnel
and
when
they
leave
service,
to
encourage
them
to
want
to
live
in
kentucky
rather
than
living
in
tennessee.
So
once
again,
this
legislation
has
my
full
support.
Thank
you,
representative
lawrence.
G
Thank
you,
ma'am
sheriff.
If
I
could
just
share
a
few
comments
about
the
bill,
just
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
keys
program
in
general,
and
I
want
to
remind
everyone
we're
talking
about
the
dollars
here.
Obviously
these
are
dollars
that
are
appropriated
by
the
general
assembly,
but
they're
they
don't.
These
are
dollars
that
aren't
generated
through
tax
revenue.
G
Now
some
people
might
argue
they
are,
but
these
are
lottery
dollars
and
refunds
that
have
received
through
the
lottery.
G
A
couple
of
the
guidelines
for
keys
is
a
student
who
graduates
from
high
school
who's
earned
their
keys
money.
They
have
to
use
their
keys
reward,
for
they
can
only
use
it
for
five
years
unless
they're
in
the
military
and
then
that
time
can
be
extended.
G
G
Historically,
on
these
lottery
dollars,
keys
kia
has
always
done
a
good
job
of
making
sure
that
the
keys
money
is
there
for
the
students,
who've
earned
their
keys
award.
We
also
have
needs
based
programs.
The
cap
program
college
access
program,
kentucky
tuition
grant
program,
those
are
for
students
who
are
pale
eligible,
they
can
receive
those
funds
and
in
the
past
we
have
had
issues
with
having
enough
funds
for
everybody,
who's
eligible
for
cap
and
ktg
to
actually
receive
those.
G
Currently
we
have
seen-
I
don't
know
if
it's
correlation
or
not,
but
since
covet
came
around
lottery,
proceeds
are
up,
I
guess
people
are
staying
home
and
on
the
lottery
now,
but
we're
able
to
actually
fully
fund
those
programs.
So
I
I
think
we
need
to
have
caution.
We
need
to
monitor.
We
need
to
be
aware
of
what's
happening
with
this,
because
we
have
a
balance
of
grants
and
scholarship
programs
available
for
students,
but
keys
is
the
one
that
started
all
this
and
I
agree
it
is.
G
M
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
thank
you
for
bringing
this
bill
and
for
all
the
testimony
today.
I
do
appreciate
the
comment
that
we,
one
of
the
goals
of
keys
money,
is
to
keep
our
students
here
in
our
state
and
primarily
in
our
four-year
colleges.
M
But
there
were
other
goals
of
that
program,
one
of
which
is
to
entice
the
students
to
work
hard
to
achieve
more
to
help
themselves
in
the
long
term,
by
by
scoring
higher
in
in
school,
to
be
ready
for
the
test
to
help
their
school
overall
and,
in
the
end,
our
commonwealth
and
these
students
have
held
up
their
end
of
that
bargain
they've
taken
that
enticement.
They
have
taken
the
bait
and
they
have
worked
hard
and
they
have
achieved,
and
I
think
if
we
need
more
money
in
this
pool,
then
we
need
to
provide
it.
M
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
just
a
comment
briefly.
I
you
know
I'm
we're
hearing
different
types
of
things
and
I'm
gonna
piggyback
after
after
representative
tipton's
comments.
I
don't
think
there's
a
person
in
this
room
here.
That's
gonna,
disagree
that
you
know
increasing
funding
for
vocational
and
technical
education
is
a
good
thing.
You're
not
going
to
find
a
person
in
this
room.
That's
going
to
do
it,
that's
going
to
say
it's
a
bad
idea.
F
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
cautious
with
this
moving
forward.
We
know
how
budgets
work
year
to
year.
We
know
that
kia
has
already
allocated
has
already
planned.
Like
you
said,
you
know
whatever
20
the
number
is,
but
I
think
that
this
is
something
that
we
probably
should
be
cautious
moving
forward
with,
because
if
we
implement
something,
that's
so
overwhelming
to
the
key
system
that
they
start
losing
the
benefits,
then,
where
are
we
we're
right
back
where
we
started
before
the
key
scholarship
was
created?
F
So
I
think
that
it's
important
that
we
move
forward
with
this.
The
spirit
of
this,
the
spirit
of
this
bill
is
awesome.
You
know
I,
like
I
said
I
don't
think,
there's
a
person
in
the
room.
That's
going
to
disagree.
We
I
I
just.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
when
you
hear
both
sides
of
conversations
or
questions
today
that
we're
all
on
the
same
team,
like
just
being
cautious
being
fiscally
conscious
of
this
stuff
is,
is
shouldn't,
be
anybody's
shouldn't
be
anybody's
downfall.
F
I
know
we're
sitting
in
a
time
period
right
now,
where
we
have.
You
know
the
education
budget
is
the
biggest
it's
ever
been,
and
I
can
tell
you
personally,
somebody's
been
in
education
world
for
for
25
years,
like
I
have
I've
been
on
defense,
the
whole
time
about
education
spending
and
education
funding
for
the
first
time
we're
in
a
position
to
be
on
offense
and
we
have
to
walk
cautiously.
F
I
think
that
definitely
this
this
bill
has
a
spot.
Definitely
I'm
encouraged
by
it.
I
look
forward
to
to
supporting
it,
but
I
did
have
a
constituent
that
reached
out
and
asked
about
whether
or
not
this
would
include
aviation
school.
L
I
I
would,
if
I
could
just
respond
to
representative
tammany.
Yes
respectfully,
sir,
I
I
don't
think
we
should
be
picking
the
winners
and
losers
out
of
high
school,
just
because
there's
that
stigma
of
once
again,
oh
this
person's
going
to
get
the
four-year
degree,
let's
give
them
the
keys
money.
But
this
person's
choosing
to
go
to
horseshoeing
school
welding,
school
cdl
school,
whatever
route
they're
taking.
L
We
don't
need
to
be
picking
winners
and
losers,
these
kids,
these
students,
they
have
earned
that
money.
We
need
to
respect
that
decision
and
let
them
go
out,
because
I
can
tell
you
what
I
can
bring
in
some
horseshoes.
I
can
bring
some
welders
in
here
and
it'd
be
eye-popping.
I
think
it
would
be
absolutely
eye-popping
when
you
saw
what
their
what
kind
of
money
they're
making.
I
If
I
may
quickly,
I
know
we
want
to
move
on,
but
in
my
bill
we
had
worked
really
hard
to
try.
I
know
that
there
was
some
concerns
about
schools
that
were
just
pop
up.
We
didn't
want
joe
blows
woodworking
shop
to
pop
up
and
start
taking
keys
money
by
any
means,
and
that's
why
we
had
addressed
the
five
years
that
they
would
have
to
be
open
for
five
years
and
also
be
kentucky
based.
I
That
was
very
important
to
me
when
drafting
this
bill,
that
the
school
would
be
kentucky
based
that
money
would
be
spent
here
in
our
state
and
remain
in
the
state
and
help
support
the
students
of
our
state.
But
we've
done
the
five
years
because
we
assume-
or
we
think
that
most
of
your
fly-by-night
schools
that
we've
heard
a
lot
about,
usually
in
five
years,
people
would
have
figured
them
out
by
that
point.
Just
wanted
to
point
that
out
quickly.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
bill.
I
think
you've
done
your
due
diligence
and
term,
knowing
that
these
companies
and
businesses
are
vested
in
kentucky.
A
So
I
think
that,
as
you
said,
that's
important
that
we
stay
in
kentucky
and
I
hope
that
we
don't
leave
any
dollars
of
the
keys
money
on
the
table,
because
I
want
to
break
down
barriers
and
for
all
students
to
be
have
the
opportunity
to
succeed
and
do
something
that
they
enjoy
and
could
make
a
good
decent
living
with.
I
think
that
representative
timoney
wants
to
reply
again.
I
know
this
is
a
shocking
thing,
but
we're
going
to.
M
F
F
Really
appreciate
that,
but
representative
cook,
if
you
heard
me
say
when
I
was
talking
previously,
that
we
need
to
pick
winners
and
losers
that
that's
that's
not
accurate,
that's
not
what
I'm
saying
you
know.
In
my
family
we
are
full
support
of
keys,
including
vocational
and
technical
education.
There
is
a
place
for
that
and
I
have
a
track
record
to
support
that.
So
that's
not
what
I
was
saying.
F
What
I
was
saying
is,
I
still
love
you
yeah,
it's
a
mutual,
but
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
we
can
pay
for
everything
that,
like
that's,
that's
what
I'm
talking
about.
We
just
need
to
make
sure
we
can
pay
for
everything.
A
H
H
H
N
K
Chairwoman,
I'd
like
to
explain
my
vote.
Go.
A
A
F
G
G
A
A
A
A
A
N
Thank
you,
chair
have
I
I
support
this
bill
completely.
I
think
it's
so
important,
and
I
know
when
I
served
on
the
school
board
in
jefferson
county
having
we
had
more
than
15
minutes,
but
there
was
ample
opportunity
for
the
public
to
address
their
elected
school
board
members
and
we
learned
a
lot
from
them
and
I
mean
frankly
I
would.
I
would
like
it
if
we
had
a
designated
10-minute
public
comment
period
or
15
minutes
at
every
legislative
committee
meeting.
N
I
think
it's
just
so
important
that
we
hear
from
from
folks,
but
I
do
just
have
a
sort
of
practical
question
this
past
summer
we
saw
nationwide
not
just
here
in
kentucky,
but
a
rise
of
death
threats
against
school
board
members
against
potential
school
board
candidates.
We
saw
really
rowdy
behavior
across
the
country.
It
was
widely
reported
and
I
just
wonder
if
this
bill,
if,
if
you
see,
if
things
were
to
get
out
of
hand,
is
there
an
opportunity
for
security
sake
to
be
able
to
shut
down
this
period?
A
Well,
you
know,
there's
always
the
opportunity
to
shut
something
down
if
someone's,
if
there's
going
to
be
an
injury
just
for
safety
purposes,
but
I
don't
foresee
that
I
think
that
people
were
frustrated
because
they
didn't
think
they
could
be
heard.
This
allows
the
15
minutes.
They
sign
up
to
be
heard.
A
So
there's
you
know,
there's
no
confusion
that
this
is
who
will
be
allotted
to
speak
and
I
just
think
it'd
be
a
great
opportunity
for
them
to
know
that
they
have
that
that's
my
window
available
and
they
don't,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
close
at
15
minutes
it's
at
the
discretion
of
the
boards
and
most
boards
are
doing
this
and
are
widely
open,
but
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
parents
had
the
opportunity
to
just
have
a
voice
to
their
elected
officials.
Absolutely.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
K
A
A
K
Question
rather,
what's
the
interest
in
this
now,
because
I
know
that
at
least
in
jefferson
county
our
school
board
has
allowed
for
public
comment
at
the
beginning
and
at
the
end
of
meetings.
So
why
the
interest
in
this
particular
issue
now.
A
Closing
it
doesn't
have
to
be
jefferson
county,
although
I
think
that
there
was
some
problems
for
a
while,
but
there
was
other
districts
as
well
that
has
reached
out
to
me
that
has
said
you
know
that
they
wanted
the
opportunity
to
to
speak,
and
so
I
think
that
this
this
just
ensures
there
is
that
opportunity,
and
I
think
that
that
will
that
will
really
go
a
long
way
in
making
connections
with
their
elected
officials
rather
than
hampering
and
being
felt
like.
You
were
locked
out.
Thank
you,
chairwoman,
representative
bojanowski.
C
Yes,
thank
you,
so
I
I
think
rep
willner
has
a
great
point.
I
think
that
the
public
would
very
much
appreciate
a
15-minute
comment
period
at
all
of
our
committee
meetings
and
I
might
work
with
you
on
that
and
think
about
that.
C
My
question
is:
do
you
have
any
suggestions
for
maintaining
decorum
during
the
school
school
board
meetings
meetings
I
mean
such
as
you
know,
maybe
limiting
the
comments
to
items
that
are
on
the
agenda.
I
mean
the
school
board
meeting
very
much
needs
the
public
input,
but
they
also
need
to
get
their
work
done
and
do
you
have
any
thoughts
on
that.
A
Well,
it
would
be
at
the
discretion
of
the
board
and
decorum
will
be,
as
it
always
is
within
that
board
meeting,
and
I
think
that
with
the
15
minutes
there,
this
is
just
going
to
allow
for
that
15
minutes.
So
if
they
want
to
go
on,
they
can
go
on
that's
at
their
discretion
as
well,
but
this
just
gives
for
15
minutes.
C
A
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
I
won't
say
that
I
have
a
major
concern
with
this,
but
having
served
as
a
board
member
for
22
years
and
having
trained
people
on
school
board
meetings,
the
school
board
meeting
is
actually
the
meeting
of
the
board.
It
is
not
necessarily
the
meeting
of
the
community.
That
being
said
in
our
board,
we
always
allowed
for
public
comment,
and
I
think
you
indicated
on
your
comments
that
most
boards
do
so.
O
O
We
we
can
stop
it
because
it's
our
meeting-
and
I
just
I'm
concerned
a
little
bit
about
intruding
on
that
operational
component
of
the
local
boards,
because
I
think
only
they
are
best
to
determine
what
they
need
to
do
at
their
local
meetings.
So
I'm
gonna
be
a
yes
for
today,
but
I
just
have
some
concerns
that
we
are
delving
into
an
area
as
legislators
that
is
left
to
the
autonomy
of
the
local
school
boards,
especially
since
we
have
done
a
lot
of
work
to
give
them
local
control.
A
If
I
could
just
speak
to
that
fact,
I
agree.
However,
when
parents
haven't
have
a
need
to
speak.
It's
not
like
local
school
boards
have
office
hours,
so
this
for
the
most
part.
So
this
is
the
opportunity
for
them
to
speak
and
know
that
they
have
that
opportunity
to
speak
and
know
that
the
the
time
limit
and
the
frame-
and
you
know
like
I
said
most
school
boards-
do
this.
A
However,
there's
always
outliers
that-
and
it's
not
fair
for
us
to
allow
for
some
kentuckians
to
get
to
have
a
voice,
even
though
these
officials
are
elected,
they're
still
working
for
the
p
for
the
parents
and
they
need
to
be
able
to
answer
the
questions.
A
I
have
a
terrific
school
board
and
I'm
sure
you
do
as
well,
but
we
just
want
to
have
that
opportunity
and
maybe
take
some
of
the
angst
and
and
some
of
the
convolution
out
of
the
out
of
the
atmosphere
when
they
know
that
this
is
what
they
have
and
that's
available.
D
Very
briefly,
and
I'm
going
to
be
supporting
this
legislation,
I
know
previously
when
I
served
on
the
christian
county
fiscal
court.
We
allow
time
for
public
comment,
be
for
our
meetings.
It
is
a
good
way
for
the
citizens
of
these
individuals
districts
to
be
able
to
know
that
they
have
a
voice
and
that's
the
primary
thing.
I
believe
chair
lady,
that
you're
you're
working
on
right
here
is
to
allow
our
citizens
to
know
that
they
always
have
a
voice
in
these
type
of
meetings.
Thank
you.
A
H
M
H
B
H
Thank
you.
I'm
gonna
pass
for
now
having
been
a
member
of
city,
council
and
fiscal
court
before
I
got
here.
Everyone
I
know
does
this
already
in
every
public
agency,
at
least
in
in
my
part
of
the
world,
but
we
don't
require
it
of
any
public
agency.
Currently,
no
city,
council,
no
fiscal
court,
no
library
board
or
other
taxing
district
is
required
to
do
this,
and
I
think
everyone
should,
and
certainly
those
who
are
not
seek
allowing
public
input
or
any
even
anyone
into
their
meetings.
H
That's
a
good
way
to
get
unelected
as
I
like
to
say,
but
I
don't
know
that
a
one
size
fits
all,
especially
in
for
this
particular
form
of
government
is,
is
the
best
way
of
going
about
it,
so
I'm
going
to
pass
for
now.
Thank
you.
H
B
K
K
They
have
an
opportunity
for
public
comment,
and
my
concern
is
that
this
is
coming
after
the
the
calculated
right-wing
attacks
in
jefferson
county,
where
people
were
trying
to
disrupt
our
democratic
process,
and
I
was
at
some
of
those
meetings
at
central
high
school,
where
people
literally
were
coming
into
a
place
where
people
like
me
were
disproportionately
impacted
by
covet
angry
that
they
had
to
wear
masks
and
were
trying
to
disrupt
the
democratic
process.
So
I
am
a
no
on
this
bill
for
school
board.
K
B
H
H
N
Explain
my
vote.
Please
please
thank
you,
chairwoman,
I'm
a
yes
for
today,
but
I
have
to
say
several
of
my
colleagues
have
given
me
a
lot
to
think
about
here.
So
I'm
going
to
be
doing
some
more.
I
have
some
more
discussions
with
board
members.
A
Yes,
house,
bill
121
passes
with
the
expression
of
opinion
that
the
same
should
pass
with
us
committee
sub
attached
there
too
when's
do
you
have
any
further
questions?
I
just
want
to
make
the
comment
that
jefferson
county
as
it
was
referenced,
was
not
the
only
county
that
was
a
part
of
gathering
information
that
prompted
this
bill.
There
was
other
counties
where
parents
were
feeling
like
that.
A
They
didn't
have
the
opportunity
to
speak,
and
you
know
there's
issues
that
are
that
are
laying
before
us
now
where
parents
are
engaged,
and
I
think
we
should
should
be
excited
that
they're
engaged
and
want
to
proceed
to
participate.
A
So
as
far
as
the
that
topic
regarding
it
just
being
solely
in
jefferson
county
that
isn't
our
objective
in
this
bill.
It's
for
every
parent.
I
just
have
a
voice.
15
minutes
is
not
that
long.
Do
we
have
any
further
questions,
if
not
motion
to
adjourn.