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B
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A
Here
this
time
I
believe,
representative
bojanowski
has
a
guest
to
introduce.
B
Yes,
I
would
like
to
welcome
my
intern
wave
over
there.
His
name
is
mark
ramsing.
He
was
born
in
the
virgin
islands
and
currently
lives
in
washington,
dc
he's
attending
university
of
louisville
and
studying
economics
and
finance,
and
his
aim
after
graduation
is
to
work
in
cyber
security
and
intelligence,
so
be
careful.
A
Good
good
to
have
you
with
us
good
to
have
all
of
you
with
us
before
we
get
into
the
meeting.
I
do
want
to
make
one
announcement.
As
you
know,
this
is
subcommittee.
It's
a
subcommittee
of
the
appropriations
and
revenue
committee.
A
Last
year,
chairman
petry
initiated
a
new
practice
in
all
a
r
meetings.
Everyone
who
comes
forward
to
testify
will
be
asked
to
be
sworn
in.
I
have
made
the
decision
starting
in
january
and
going
forward
that
I
will
follow
that
same
practice
in
these
subcommittee
meetings.
So
when
you
come
to
the
table
to
present
we'll
ask
you
to
introduce
yourself
for
the
record,
then
everyone
will
be
asked
to
raise
the
right
hand
and
we'll
have
the
oath
just
want
to
make
everyone
aware
of
that
new
practice
at
this
time.
A
A
Be
sure
your
microphones
are
turned
on
and
be
sure
your
microphones
are
pulled
close
to
you.
Sometimes,
if
they're
not
very
close,
it's
difficult
for
everyone
to
hear,
and
just
when
you're
ready
everyone
please
introduce
yourself
for
the
record.
A
E
E
Well,
good
morning,
chairman
good
morning,
members,
we
appreciate
the
opportunity
that
you've
given
us
today
to
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
financial
situation
at
kentucky
state
university,
and
we
have
a
brief
powerpoint
we'll
go
through
and
then
we'll
turn
it
over
for
questions.
It's
your
pleasure
chairman,
the
the
first
slide.
We
have
a
summation
of
a
lot
of
things
that
have
happened
over
the
past
six
months.
E
Essentially,
you
know
the
the
significant
operating
deficits
that
accumulated
over
a
three
to
four
year
period
have
resulted
in
the
situation
that
we
face
now
where
there
was
a
significant
number
of
of
expenses
and
bills
essentially
carried
forward
from
prior
years
into
the
current
year.
University
was
also
facing
a
significant
structural
budget
deficit.
E
When
president
stamps
and
I
came
on
board
in
july,
we've
been
able
to
reduce
that
deficit,
but
it's
still
significant-
and
I
know
that
many
of
you
have
heard
about
the
the
23
million
dollar
request
that
that
representative
tipton
has
addressed
in
house
bill
250
and
what
that
is
comprised
of
is
a
number
of
actions
that
were
taken
by
the
past
leadership
at
the
university
that
essentially
pushed
expenses
forward
into
the
current
fiscal
year,
led
to
a
depletion
of
the
university's
cash
reserves
and
essentially
a
cash
flow
crisis.
E
Going
into
this
fiscal
year,
senator
mcdaniel
had
asked
earlier,
and
chairman
tipton
has
asked
a
number
of
times
the
university's
cash
position
throughout
the
fiscal
year,
and
at
this
point
the
university
will
have
to
begin
borrowing
on
a
what's
called
a
revenue.
Anticipation
note,
which
is
similar
to
a
line
of
credit
in
mid
to
late
march,
to
continue
to
operate
and
that
line
of
credit
will
be
depleted
in
mid
april.
E
There's
really
not
much
from
a
financial
standpoint.
That's
changed
since
the
last
time
we
were
before
your
committee
chairman.
Our
projections
are
still
about
the
same,
and
our
projections
for
cash
are
about
the
same.
E
You
know,
I
think
the
the
the
board
and
the
current
leadership
at
ksu
is
committed
to
being
accountable,
being
transparent
and
complying
with
all
requirements,
both
state
federal
contractual
anything
that
we
have,
and
we've
tried
our
best
to
do
that
over
the
past
six
months
and
we'll
continue
to
do
so.
E
E
It
was
spent
on
a
lot
of
things
and
a
lot
of
them
were
were
directed
towards
student
performance,
and
we,
we
in
hindsight
have
the
benefit
to
see
some
things
that
worked
and
some
things
that
didn't
work.
It's
no
excuse,
for
you,
know
excessive
spending
or
spending
far
in
excess
of
the
resources
that
were
available
to
university,
but
there
there
were
some
good
things
that
came
out
of
this.
The
the
graduation
rate
for
the
cohort
that
entered
the
university
in
2015
is
38
percent.
E
70
again
when
I
was
at
the
university
before
we
were,
we
were
around
55
percent
and
retention
is
the
key
in
graduation
and
progression
students
and,
as
you
may
or
may
not
know,
approximately
80
of
our
students
are
pell
eligible,
so
they're
not
receiving
financial
support
in
many
cases
from
their
families
and
76
percent
are
first
generation,
so
they're
also
navigating
kind
of
a
different
kind
of
bureaucracy
in
a
different
kind
of
process.
E
E
The
I
want
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
recommendations
that
the
council
made
in
november.
There
were
there
was
a
report
in
november,
dealt
with
the
financial
piece
of
the
management
improvement
plan,
there's
about
seven
different
items,
the
obviously
the
financial
one
was
the
one
that
had
to
be
addressed
first,
the
council
is
currently
in
the
process
of
working
through
the
other
recommendations,
as
envisioned
both
in
the
governor's
executive
order
and
chairman
tipton's
bill.
E
The
the
the
financial
assessment
yielded
about
13
different
recommendations
for
improvement.
One
of
the
main
ones
was
improving
the
current
accounting
system
and
we
actually
have
a
kickoff
meeting
for
that
project
tomorrow.
E
We're
we're
working
to
improve
budgetary
controls
and
reporting,
and
this
this
accounting
system
revamp
is
projected
to
take
about
18
months,
but
we're
we're,
starting
with
the
general
ledger
and
we're
going
to
complete
pieces
as
we
go
and
we
hope
to
be
able
to
see
improvements
by
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
particularly
in
reporting.
E
E
How
do
we
best,
you
know,
use
the
university's
resources
to
help
support
our
students
and
improve
the
university
in
our
our
performance
with
our
students,
chairman
ferris
has
called
a
a
session
of
our
board
of
regents
for
february
3rd,
where
we
were
beginning
this
process
and
we'll
begin
with,
essentially
a
budgetary
and
financial
retreat
and
we'll
begin
kind
of
we'll
bring
a
high
level
planning
structure
and
the
beginnings
of
a
five-year
planning
structure
in
that
meeting
and
that
will
evolve
throughout
the
remainder
of
the
fiscal
year
as
we
formalize
some
of
these
processes
and,
speaking
of
that,
a
lot
of
the
other
recommendations
that
cpa
cp
had
revolve
around
policies
and
procedures
at
the
campus.
E
The
campus
has
procedures
and
policy
manuals,
but
to
be
honest,
they're
out
of
date,
many
of
them,
some
of
them
operational
man,
the
operational
manual
for
finance,
dates
to
about
2010,
which
is
actually
before
the
new
accounting
system
was
implemented,
and
it's
not
a
new
accounting
system
anymore.
It's
10
years
old.
So
a
significant
project
for
this
year
is
working
with
the
council
to
revise
those
proc
processes
and
policies
and
procedures
get
them
to
a
best
practice.
E
State
and
train
staff
and
move
forward
with
better
processes
across
the
board
and
those
areas
are
human
resources,
purchasing
travel,
campus
safety,
endowment
management,
risk
management
and
cash
management,
and
the
the
last
three
were
specifically
mentioned
in
the
in
the
cpu
recommendations
and
will
be
a
priority
as
we
work
with
the
council
going
forward,
and
we
anticipate
some
of
these
revisions
being
brought
to
the
board
in
march
and
hopefully,
all
of
them,
either
by
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year
early
in
the
next
fiscal
year,
and
as
we
mentioned
before,
we
continue
to
work
with
the
council
on
the
other
items
in
the
management
improvement
plan.
E
E
Our
first
payment
is
due
in
march
of
2024,
and
the
average
cost
of
the
beds
in
the
in
the
hall
will
be
about
forty
six
hundred
dollars
per
semester,
which
is
in
line
with
the
newer
halls
at
the
sister
institutions
throughout
the
state,
and
that
is
all
I
have
unless
you
would
like
to
add
anything
or
yeah.
I
think
that
did
you,
I
think,
we're
ready
for
any
questions
you
might
have
chairman.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Greg
appreciate
you
all
being
here
today
and,
as
you
understand,
I
get
a
lot
of
questions
from
my
colleagues
on
a
regular
basis
about,
what's
going
on
with
kentucky
state
about
house
bill
250
and
a
lot
of
concerns,
I
want
to
reference
a
excerpt
from
the
september
2nd
meeting
of
the
board
of
regents
in
in
this.
In
the
minutes,
there
was
presentation
by
president
thompson
and
in
the
minutes
records
that
he
stated
that
cpe
is
working
with
cfo
greg
rush
to
make
sure
there
is
a
grounded
basis
for
the
dollars
ksu
will
be
requesting.
A
The
plan
will
also
be
focused
on
culture
to
ensure
that
ksu
does
get
into
another
deep
financial
need,
and
that
word
culture
has
been
used
a
lot
in
the
last
few
months
and
and
chair
ferris
region
harness
president
stamps.
I
just
like
to
hear
from
you
what
needs
to
change
what
needs
to
happen
at
kentucky
state
university,
for
the
university
to
move
forward
and
to
fry.
D
So
when
you
speak
on
culture,
we
think
about
the
organization
as
a
whole,
and
so
as
a
marketing
professional,
I
tell
people
all
the
time.
D
First
with
that,
acknowledging
that
we
have
to
be
held
accountable
not
only
for
our
actions,
our
inactions
and
our
non-actions,
and
so
one
thing
we
did
at
our
fall
encampment.
We
brought
in
specialists
to
talk
about
the
organizational
culture
talking
about
its
people
and
what
it
means
to
what
we
do
to
our
mission,
and
so
we
began
that
process.
We
also
had
an
institutional
survey
that
went
out
was
completed
by
our
campus
community
and
everything
we've
done
from
that
point
we
have
talked
and
communicated
about
what
our
responsibility
is
to
kentucky
state
university.
D
So
it's
going
to
first
have
to
start
there
with
understanding
as
the
people
of
the
institution
what
our
responsibility
is
to
the
commonwealth,
and
so
we
started
those
basic
talks
and
we
plan
to
continue
by
bringing
experts
and
working
with
the
campus
community
to
move
the
institution
forward.
So
just
from
that
aspect
of
culture,
but
when
you
think
about
re-positioning
the
institution,
so
that's
going
to
be
a
deeper
dive
and
we've
begun
some
of
that
work
on
campus
by
talking
to
the
different
areas
to
find
out
what
they
think.
We
need
to
do
differently.
F
Thank
you
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
board
of
regents
and
our
authority
as
a
governing
body,
one
of
the
things
that
we
know
that
we
have
lacked
since
I've
been
on
the
board
since
2014.
F
F
One
of
the
things
that
you
always
know
is
that
people
will
do
what
you
expect
them
to
do
and
a
lot
of
our
decisions
and
how
we
operate
is
based
on
our
policies
and
procedures
when
everybody
understands
what
they
are
and
the
expectations
is
that
everyone
will
follow
those
and
and
and
your
stakeholders
and
your
community
understands
that.
Then
I
think
that
builds
a
different
type
of
culture
that
we're
operating
in
now.
F
One
of
the
analogies
we're
used
to
use
in
p12
is
that
when
you
have
a
fishbowl
and
you
have
fish
in
the
bowl
and
they're
dying,
then
it's
time
to
change
the
water,
and
I
think
that's
where
we
are
at
kentucky
state
university.
We
have
to
make
some
external
and
internal
changes
in
order
for
us
to
build
the
culture
that
we
want
to
see,
kentucky
state
thrive
in
and
that's
going
to
be
internal
and
external
and
how
we
think
about
and
how
we
see
ourselves
at
kentucky
state
university.
G
Forward,
thank
you
for
me,
and
the
culture
at
kentucky
state
university,
I
think,
can
be
summed
up
in
one
word,
which
is
leadership.
G
You
know
I'm
a
lifelong
frankfurt
resident,
I've
seen
the
highs
and
the
lows
of
kentucky
state
university,
my
entire
life-
and
I
think,
if
you
look
at
it,
the
highs
are,
can
be
traced
to
strong
good
leadership
and
I
think
the
culture
of
any
entity,
whether
it's
your
your
your
church,
your
business
or
whatever
starts
at
the
top,
and
you
know
for
me
and
for
my
remaining
months
on
as
a
region
on
the
kentucky
state
university.
G
My
number
one
priority
and
I
think
the
priority
of
the
board
working
with
the
search
committee
is
to
find
strong
leadership
who
can
come
in
and
change
the
culture
where
it
needs
to
be
changed
and
really
will
be
on
campus,
we'll
be
there
to
listen
to
people
the
students
and
so
for
me,
the
culture
at
kentucky
state
university.
G
It
started
to
change
with
the
oversight
of
cpe
and
interim
president
stamps,
but
I
really
think
where
that's
going
to
stop
and
start
is
with
our
next
leader
and
that's
going
to
be
a
big
task.
But
it
needs
to
be
done
because
ksu
plays
too
important
of
a
role
for
it
not
to
happen.
A
Thank
you
all
for
your
response
and
I
think
you're
absolutely
right.
It's
it
starts
with
leadership
and
and
the
decision
on
the
new
president
is
going
to
be
critical
and
I
certainly
hope
and
pray
that
you're
successful
in
that
I
do
want
to
make
a
a
point
to
publicly
state.
I
want
to
thank
governor
beshear
for
issuing
his
executive
order
in
a
timely
manner.
I
think
it
was
prudent.
It
was
necessary
and
it's
allowed
us
to
get
to
this
point
where
we
are
today,
and
I
certainly
appreciate
that
and
greg.
E
I'll
be
leaving
the
university
actually
this
week
and
returning
to
cpe
and
in
a
role
there,
and
we
have
a
contracted
with
an
entity
called
the
registry
who
places
higher
ed
executives
throughout
the
country
and
have
dr
gerald
shields,
who
will
be
taking
over
as
the
chief
financial
officer
for
the
university.
We,
president
sampson,
I
have
a
lot
of
confidence
in
him
and
I've
been
spending
the
week
with
him.
E
When
I
return
to
cpe,
I
have
been
told
that
I
will
essentially
be
back
on
campus
next
week,
so
I
and
I
anticipate
I-
will
be
there
through
the
extent
of
the
relationship
between
cpe
and
the
and
the
university.
A
E
E
Absolutely
one
of
the
main
goals
of
this
project
is
to
get
written
procedures
essentially
on
everyone's
desk
that
interacts
with
the
accounting
system,
and-
and
this
is
a
little
bit
bigger
than
just
the
accounting
system.
It's
also
our
student
information
system.
Our
student
accounts
receivable
system,
our
registration
system,
so
it's
it's
the
the
erp
for
the
campus,
and
you
know
at
the
end
of
this.
We
want
essentially
desk
manuals
for
every
employee
and
every
new
employee
is
trained
to
use
the
system
before
they're
asked
to
go
in
and
work
with
it.
F
And
that
goes
back
to,
as
we
were
talking
about
the
culture,
what
we
found
was
that
there
were
some
the
processes
were
there,
but
they
weren't
implemented
with
fidelity
or
they
were
modified
or
customized
to
do
whatever
other
people
wanted
them
to
do,
and
so
it
wasn't
universally
used
how
we
purchased
it
and
it
wasn't
implemented
with
fidelity,
so
that
will
take
place
based
on
the
processes
and
procedures
and
the
training
that
will
take
place
when
we
get
all
these
pieces
back
in
place.
Representative,
graham.
H
I
think
at
this
stage
I
would
know
that-
and
I
just
want
to
ask
this
last
question:
if
there
is
a
conflict
between
what
cpe
and
the
university
thinks
needs
to
be
proceeding,
how
would
that
be
resolved?.
F
As
we
have
right
and
you're
talking
about
the
conflict
as
we
have
moved
forward
from
day,
one
there
hasn't
been,
I
think,
because
of
the
same
mindset
that
cpe
sees
and
has
for
kentucky
state
university,
and
I'm
sure
all
of
you
all
remember
that
dr
thompson
was
the
interim
president
at
one
time
and
the
board
a
lot
of
the
board.
Members
are
seat
that
were
there
are
still
seated
and
so
far
all
the
conversations
have
been
very
open
and
been
very
robust.
F
And
I
don't
see
there
been
any
conflict,
but
if
it
is,
I'm
sure
that
the
board
and
cpe
will
come
to
an
agreement
on
what's
best
for
kentucky
state
university.
H
I
would
hope
that,
and
I
would
think,
with
the
the
history
of
greg
rush,
having
worked
at
k-state
and
aaron
being
the
interim
president
and
the
two
of
you
on
the
board-
and
I
want
to
thank
you,
mr
chair,
ms
madam
chair
and
mr
vice
chair,
for
the
work
that
you've
been
doing
in
terms
of
helping
and
being
engaged
in
detail
with
all
of
this.
So
thank
you
all
so
much
for
the
work
that
you're
doing.
We
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
Here,
okay,
I
had
a
little
latitude.
I
got
a
couple
questions
that
okay,
please.
Thank
you
very
much.
Well,
thank
you
for
being
here
again.
C
I
know
this
can
be
nerve-wracking,
but
I
want
I
want
to
say
what
I
emphasized
last
time,
and
I
really
mean
this-
that
kentucky
state
university
is
vital
to
our
state
and
to
our
students
and
when
I
say
our
students,
any
student
that
attends
the
university
is
is
very
critical,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
you,
even
though
I
know
you've
been
there
for
a
while,
cheerleading
and
last
year
for
the
board.
I
thank
you
for
not
jumping
ship.
C
You
know
this
is
a
good
time
to
sometimes
you
see
that
happening,
and
this
can
make
you
stronger.
This
can
make
the
university
much
stronger,
but
there
are
some
bumps
in
the
road
that
you
got
to
go
through
and
you
know
that
I
mean
I'm
not
telling
you
something
you
don't
know
and
and
last
time
we
was
together
refer
to
you
know
the
sax
accreditation
process.
I
hope
you're
still
working
with
them.
First
question:
are
you
on
any
kind
of
sanctions,
warnings
or
anything
like
that?
D
No,
we
are
not
on
any
sanctions
or
warnings,
and
we
have
not
received
any
notification
that
they
are
going
to
come
and
review
us,
but
we
have
been
in
communication
with
saks
they're,
fully
aware
of
our
current
circumstances
and
we've
provided
them
just
like
any
other
entity,
that's
viable
for
kentucky
state
with
the
necessary
information
to
keep
them
up
to
date
with
our
current
status.
Okay,.
C
Thank
you,
yeah
and,
and
again
I
appreciate
what
you've
done.
Madam
president,
I
really
I
really
do
speaking
of
sacks
in
this
financial
situation
and
you're
under
a
presidential
search
right
now.
I
think
you're
getting
ready
to
start
one
or
something
like
this.
C
I've
got
a
concern
that
you
know
this
financial
situation
could
make
it
your
pull
a
little
bit
smaller.
I
don't
know
that
you
all
president
thomas,
you
may
know
much
better
than
I,
but
I
hope
you
do
get
good
candidates
in
there
hope.
Maybe
you
considered
it
as
well,
so
you
know
I
hope
we
get
somebody
interested
with
the
passion
and
leadership
to
to
bring
it
forward.
So
you
know
I've
been
involved
in
these
presidential
searches
before
and
and
you
want
to
get
the
best
for
the
university,
and
I
know
that
so
so.
C
C
I
just
wanna
make
sure
that
I'm
correct
so
and
these-
and
I
appreciate
all
I
wanna
say
I
wanna
thank
madam
president-
that
I
really
appreciate
you
sounds
like
you're
working
with
the
faculty
and
staff
as
well
to
this.
This
is
a
everybody's,
got
a
stake
in
the
game
with
this,
so
they
need
to
understand
that
and
I've
been
there.
I
understand
that
if
you
involve
others,
you'll
find
you'll
find
some
solutions
out
there
that
one
person
may
not
have
so.
C
I
appreciate
that
if
I
understood
that
correctly,
that
where
you're
monitoring
and
hopefully
you're
doing
reconciliation
on
each
budget
area,
so
you
you'll
be
able
to
track
that
better
and
so
forth.
So
some
of
the
things
I
had
concerned
with-
and
maybe
you've
already
addressed
at
some
point
in
time,
but
I
will
make
sure
I'm
correct
that
under
the
position
of
the
internal
auditor
at
kentucky
state
university
was
vacant
for
three
years.
E
We
can
get
that
for
you,
representative,
mccool
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
don't
I
don't,
have
the
exact
dates?
Okay,
but
it
was
during
this
period.
C
We
know
that
so
somebody
has
to
be
leading
the
charge
on
that
and
and
trust
me,
I've
been
through
that
too,
and
when
they
tell
you
that
you
can't
do
something
we
shouldn't
you,
don't
do
it
even
if
you're
president
or
vice
president,
whatever
I
know
I've
been
there,
and
you
appreciate
those
that
come
that
has
the
boldness
and
knowledge
to
come
and
tell
you
that,
and,
and
hopefully
there's
no.
E
The
one
of
the
recommendations
from
the
council
that
I
I
didn't
get
into
specifically
was
that
the
university
consider
an
extra
and
a
contract
with
an
external
firm
to
provide
internal
audit
services,
partly
because
it's
hard
for
one
individual
to
have
kind
of
the
range
of
expertise
that
you
need
to
evaluate
all
the
different
things
that
can
come
up,
whereas
if
we're
using
an
outside
firm
and
and
we
need
an
it
audit,
for
example,
they'll
have
resources
available,
so
the
we're
currently
in
the
process
of
developing
an
rfp,
which
I
think
will
be
issued
shortly
to
to
start
down
that
process.
C
First
of
all,
I
think
if
I
show
you,
your
term
expires
in
2022.
Is
that
or
is
that
correct.
F
F
C
C
Not
only
do
you
serve
on
the
board,
but
you
also
serve
on
the
executive
and
audit
committee
within
your
board,
so
not
having
these.
These
audit
reports
in
the
future
will
not
be
an
issue
because
they
will
I'm
assuming
that
you
will
take
charge
of
that
and
demand
that
that
happens
right.
G
Yes,
well,
we
we
demanded
it
in
the
past.
You
know
when
I
came
on.
I
think
it
was
2016
and
you
know
just
to
call
it
like.
It
is
the
lack
of
an
internal
auditor.
We
was
a
concern
that
we
stayed
on
the
past
president
about
as
well
as
an
external
auditor
and
timely
production
of
the
audit
reports.
G
G
Well,
I
do
think
on
the
internal
auditor
position
there
were
courtships
of
people.
That
kind
of
were
lengthy
that
we
thought
would
ultimately
play
out
that
didn't.
G
I
do
recall
that,
but
then,
as
far
as
the
external
auditor,
that
you
know
that
took
time,
but
I
do
believe
that
we
ultimately
got
a
well-recognized
external
auditor
in
and
we
you
know,
got
on
top
of
the
past
figures
and
mr
rush
can
speak
to
that.
Probably
as
well
as
I
can,
because
he
he's
he's
dealt
with
them.
I
would
say
weekly.
E
One
of
the
challenges
that
that
I've
seen
for
the
past
several
years-
and
this
goes
back
to
my
first
tenure
at
the
university
in
2015-
is
we
are
not
completing
our
external
audit
timely.
You
know
the
the
requirement
is
that
that
audit
be
completed
by
early
october
over
the
last
10
years.
The
universities
met
that
standard
once
and
to
be
fair.
While
I
was
cfo,
we
did
not
meet
that
standard.
E
For
various
reasons
and
to
me
this,
this
revamp
and
refresh
of
the
accounting
system
is
one
of
the
most
key
things
that
we
can
do
over
the
next
year
or
two
to
to
correct
that,
because,
when
the
board's
receiving
this
information
from
the
audit,
sometimes
up
to
a
year
later,
it's
a
lot
of
water
under
the
bridge
in
a
year
and
it's
very
hard
for
folks
to
keep
up
with
what's
happening
at
the
university
when
this
stuff
is
continually
delayed.
C
Thank
you.
One
final
question,
mr
tripp.
I
may,
and
I
don't
know
you
know
the
proposal.
I
appreciate
representing
tifton's
following
the
bill
to
hopefully
provide
some
funding,
but
you
know
we
don't
know
how
that's
going
to
go.
That's
a,
but
so
do
you
have
a
plan
in
place
in
case
it
doesn't
pass
and
then
a
plan
in
place
if
it
does
pass.
So
we
don't
have
this
recurrence
every
so
often
because
I
know
in
the
past.
Sometimes
you
had
to
come
before
the
legislative
body
and
ask
for
financial
support
and
that's
okay.
E
As
as
a
state
institution,
we
have
limited
options,
and
so,
as
a
result,
the
the
financial
situation
for
the
university
we
are
dependent
on
the
general
assembly,
I'll
just
lay
it
out
that
that
is
essentially
the
way
it
is
now
as
for
going
forward.
You
know
we
talked
about
the
budget
meeting
on
february
3rd,
even
if
the
university
receives
the
23
million
that
that's
in
representative
chairman
tipton's
bill
that
we've
requested
that
essentially
gets
the
university
back
to
zero.
E
So
the
the
budget
next
year
has
to
be
dramatically
revised
to
make
sure
that
the
university
is
living
within
the
resources
that
it
has
available
and
that's
a
that's,
a
a
a
a
firm
requirement.
There
is
no
option.
The
the
university
will
not
have
sufficient
reserves
to
continue
to
operate
with
their
budget,
not
balanced,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we'll
be
working
on
over
the
next
couple
of
months
is
to
make
sure
that
whatever
steps
have
to
be
taken
to
make
that
happen
are
taken.
Okay,.
F
And,
as
we
have
said
in
the
last
few
months
with
cpe
and
the
discussions
we've
had
with
them,
that
kentucky
state
university
can
no
longer
operate
as
usual,
and
so
there
will
be
some
tough
decisions
to
be
made
with
or
without
the
23
million.
Kentucky
state
is
still
going
to
have
to
make
some
tough
hard
decisions
so
that
she
can
continue
to
operate
within
her
financial
means.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Sorry,
I
got
a
little
line
of
sight
issue
here,
so
thank
you
very
much.
I
could
pick
the
wrong
chair,
I
believe,
to
to
to
to
view
and
see,
listen
to
y'all's,
testimony
and
so
forth,
and
I
I
think
I've
stated
this
in
the
past
when
y'all
came
before,
I
really
do
appreciate
y'all
rolling
up
your
sleeves
to
right,
the
ship
from
a
financial
standpoint.
It's
not
an
easy
pull
to
go
down
that
process
and
I
know
you're
making
a
real,
strong
earnest
effort
in
doing
that.
I
F
F
So
we
were
making
our
financial
decisions
on
information
that
the
administration
was
giving
us
and
we
felt
at
that
time.
I
thought
that
that
was
accurate
information,
but,
as
cpe
will
say
to
you,
and
even
as
legislators,
most
and
most
of
that
information
was
inadequate
or
it
was
misrepresented
by
the
administration.
F
I
So
could
you
provide
now
make
sure
my
microphone,
so
could
you
provide
a
a
time
frame
when
that
occurred
in
terms
of
going
through
and
asking
questions
and
then
starting
to
realize
that
things
aren't
being
portrayed
as
they
should
be
in
terms
of
that?
So
if
you
can
give
me
a
time
from
that
and
then
in
addition
to
that,
what
I
like
to
well,
I
like
that.
I'm
what
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
and
we're
talking
about
the
prior
administration
is.
Is
president
brown.
I
I
F
F
So
after
that
I,
as
the
board
chair,
I
was
away
on
vacation
and
got
a
call
from
the
general
counsel
that
there
was
concrete
evidence
that
there
were
some
things
amiss
with
the
financial
status
of
kentucky
state
university
and
when
the
board
received
that
information
and
all
of
the
board
met-
and
we
saw
that
as
a
board,
then
the
board
decided
that
we
needed
to
do
something
different.
I
Okay,
so
I'm
trying
to
click
so
you
receive
information,
so
he
was
going
through
the
review.
He
met
the
matrix
and
so
forth.
Then,
after
that
you
received
information
that
the
reports
have
been
have
been.
I
guess
falsified
or
not
represented
like
it
should
be,
and
but
but
he
was
still
extending
that
contract
and
then
he
resigned
after
that
because
of
what
y'all
confronted
him
with.
Is
that
correct
all?
I
can.
G
Okay
and
yeah,
you
know
I'd
like
to
add
to
that
for
my
time
frame
and
I'm
really
bad
at
years
and
all
and
now
I
associate
things
with
pre-covert
and
postcode,
where
I
try
to
that's
my
time
frame,
but
you
know
one
important
thing
for
me:
when
sac
clc
came
in
to
do
its
exhaustive
review,
I
personally
was
well,
let's
see
what
happens
here.
You
know
there.
There
hadn't
really
been
any
discussion
at
that
point
in
time
we
could
see
the
audited
financial
statements.
We
were
spending
money
to
recruit
more
students.
G
We
knew
that
sac
coc
came
in
and
gave
what
I
would
consider
probably
a
better
report
than
we
expected.
I
mean
I
think
we
had
one
deficiency
and
as
a
board
member
that
made
me
feel
well
very
good,
because
you
know
we
questioned
sacks.
It
was
a
deep
dive.
In
my
what
I
understood
saks
did
in
their
team.
It
was
a
pretty
deep
dive
on
the
university
and
what
the
university
was
doing.
G
It
was
some
time
after
that
that
there
began
to
be
discussions
about
vendors,
not
being
paid
timely.
I
don't
know
exactly
when
that
is,
but
those
videos
will
speak
for
themselves
and
the
questions
that
were
asked
at
that
time,
and
you
know
to
me
the
question
gets
asked:
are
we
paying
our
vendors
on
time?
That
is
a
yes
or
no,
that
you
either
your
yard
and
yes,
we're
paying
our
vendors
everything's,
no
there's
no
issues
here
and
okay
and
then
that
evidence
began
to
mount
even
in
there.
G
You
know
some
tapes,
the
the
the
tapes
I
want
to
say
in
late
2020
we
had
conversations
very
detailed
conversations
about
that
and
paying
those
vendors,
and
so
I
can't
give
you
exact
time
frames,
but
that's
how
it
played
out
for
me
and
then,
after
that,
after
the
fall
of
2020.
G
Yes,
there
were
discussions
about
extending
the
contract.
You
know
we're
right
in
the
middle
of
covid.
You
know
we're.
I
think
we
were
very
concerned.
I
was
very
concerned
and
the
board
of
regents
were
very
concerned
is
what
was
what
was
going
to
happen?
I
mean
we're
kids
we're
going
to
quit
coming
to
school,
and
so
those
discussions
began
and
yes,
there
was
a
vote
to
extend
the
contract
with
no
increases
of
any
nature,
and,
as
I
understand
it,
that
was
those
that
was
the
at
the
request
of
president
brown.
I
So
just
one
more
question:
can
you
sort
of
outline
if
you
recall
the
terms
of
the
contract,
you
said:
there's
no
increases
in
pay.
I
assume
was
there
any
any
other
terms
that,
like
everything.
G
Really
an
extension
of
of
of
the
prior
contract
good.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
appreciate
y'all
coming.
I
know
y'all
going
through
a
really
strong,
a
really
hard
process
and
something
I've
got
some
things
at
least
going
in
better
direction.
So
I
do
appreciate
it.
Thank
you,
mr
trump.
A
Thank
you,
representative
fleming.
I
know
we've
got
some
other
members
who
want
to
ask
questions,
but
I
want
to
interject
here
and
follow
up
on
this
conversation,
and
when
you
talk
about
the
administration,
past
leadership
is
not
only
president
brown,
it
was
you
had
the
chief
financial
officer
douglas
allen.
Now,
when
did
when
did
did
rip?
A
Did
cfo
allen
offer
his
resignation
before
or
after
this
information
became
available
to
the
board
before
so
he
offered
his
resignation
before
and
we're
only
talking
just
a
few
weeks
before
all
this
came
about
is
that
correct,
yeah
his.
E
A
And
I
believe
president
brown's
resignation
was
accepted,
I
think
july,
toward
the
end
of
july,
21st
22nd,
something.
F
Like
that,
was
it
yeah
july
20th
or
something.
A
Yeah,
so
it
was
in
all
this
was
in
a
very
short
time
frame
that
you
received
this
information
and,
of
course,
they're
they're
away
from
the
university
as
anybody
from
university
had
any
contact
with
president
brown
or
cfo
allen.
Since
this
transpired.
D
I
have
had
contact
with
cfo
allen:
okay,
okay,
I
have
had
to
call
him
for
some
legal
matters.
A
I
understand
I
understand
now
in
reviewing
the
minutes:
cfo
allen.
It
looks
like
the
april
16
2018
board,
minutes
that
president
brown
advanced
his
name
at
that
time
to
be
the
vice
president,
a
finance
administration
cfo.
Was
there
an
official
search
process
at
that
time?
Were
there
a
pool
of
candidates?
Do
you
recall.
E
A
In
your
opinion,
should
cfo
allen
had
known,
would
he
have
been
in
position?
Should
he
have
known
what
was
transpiring
in.
H
I
really
don't
have
a
question.
I
I
just
want
the
the
the
committee
to
know.
F
H
University
is
on
a
trajectory
to
get
out
of
this
and
to
move
forward
and,
as
I
said
earlier
back
in
the
summer,
this
university
is
important
to
the
institutions
across
the
commonwealth,
the
comprehensive
institutions
in
particular,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
it
being
a
hbcu
and
how
important
it
has
played
in
the
role
of
creating
a
a
middle
class
for
those
who
have
come
up
through
the
university
and
who've
gone
on
to
do
wonderful
things,
and
this
university
is
an
important
part
of
this
commonwealth,
and
I
would
hope
that
we
as
a
body
here
in
the
house-
and
I
applaud
the
the
chairman
of
this
board
and
I
support
his
bill,
and
I
hope
he
will
allow
me
to
sign
off
on
the
bill
as
well
that
we
want
to
move
forward
as
as
our
our
theme
is
onward
upward
forward.
H
And
so
I
I
thank
all
of
you,
because
this
is
a
tough,
a
tough
situation,
but
we've
got
to
work
together.
We
need
the
university
on
board.
We
need
the
general
assembly
on
board,
we
need
the
leadership
of
the
commonwealth
and
the
governor
is
supporting
it.
We
need
the
leadership
of
our
general
assembly
and
I
would
hope
that
we
can
work
together
to
to
get
through
this,
because
I
know
great
things
are:
are
there
awaiting
us
as
a
university,
but
as
a
commonwealth
as
a
whole?
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
appreciate
it.
A
Thank
you,
representative,
graham
and
you're,
most
you're,
most
welcome
to
sign
on
the
house
bill
250.
sheriff
harris.
You
mentioned
that
you
couldn't
give
a
reason
as
to
president
brown's
reason
for
delivering
a
letter
of
resignation.
But
my
question
is:
did
the
board
talk
to
president
brown
confront
president
brown
with
the
information
you
had
before
he
submitted
that
letter
of
resignation.
F
And
I'm
sorry
if
I
stated
that
I
didn't
know
his
reason,
I'm
just
saying
I
didn't
know
he
was
going
to
at
that
time.
But
yes,
he
and
I
in
legal
counsel,
had
had
a
conversation.
F
As
I
said,
I
was
out
of
the
state
at
the
time
and
we
had
a
three-way
call
with
legal
and
him
and
myself
and
when
I
returned
to
the
state
he
and
legal
counsel
and
I
had
a
zoom
call,
and
he
was
very
aware
of
the
concerns
that
was
presented
to
me
as
the
chair
and
from
that
time,
moving
forward
council
and
I
made
the
decision
that
that
needed
to
come
to
the
board.
F
That
was
something
the
board
needed
to
make
a
decision
on
and
we
did
meet
and
at
that
time
all
of
the
information
that
was
received
by
general
counsel
was
presented
to
the
board
and
from
there
we
had
asked
the
president
some
information
based
on
council's
advice,
that
he
had
an
opportunity
to
present
his
side
and
from
there
we
were
to
come
back
to
an
additional
meeting.
F
F
Other
phone
calls
with
president
brown,
and
I
was
advised
by
legal
not
to
continue
the
conversations
with
him,
and
so
I
did
say
to
him
that
you
know
our
conversations
would
have
to
be
in
a
in
a
public
board
meeting
our
closed
session,
but
in
a
board
meeting
and
so
from
there
when
we
got
his
letter
of
resignation.
F
I
had
also
talked
with
our
counsel,
dr
bill
johnson,
who
I
had
worked
with
through
the
letter
of
resignation
from
president
brown
and
so
bill.
Johnson
was
advising
me
on
what
president
brown
was
doing
at
that
time.
So
from
there
I
said
to
bill
johnson
we'll
bring
that
letter
of
resignation
to
the
board
and
we
will
act
upon
it
and
that's
what
we
did
did
that
answer
your
question.
G
Yeah,
I
can
speak
to
want
to
be
very
careful,
but
I
can
speak
to
what's
in
the
public
record
and
I
believe
yesterday
president
brown
instituted
litigation
against
kentucky
state
university
in
the
franklin
circuit
court
and
yesterday,
kentucky
state
university
filed
a
counter
claim
against
president
brown.
A
A
Last
couple
weeks,
I've
been
reading
through
four
years
worth
of
board
minutes
trying
to
understand
how
all
this
played
out
when
you
mention
litigation.
I
have
found,
from
september
18
september
18
through
april
of
21,
seven
different
references
in
the
board
minutes
to
where
settlements
were
approved,
and
I
guess
that
can
that
number
concerns
me,
and
it
goes
back
to
the
first
question
about
the
culture
of
what's
going
on
at
kentucky
state
university
and.
A
E
We'll
have
to
get
that
for
you
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
don't
know
we'd
have
to
give
their
general
counsel.
A
And
I
hope
you
understand
the
reason
I'm
asking
that
question
when
I
see
this
it
just
concerns
me
what's
going
on
that,
has
caused
all
these
litigations
to
be
brought
forward.
Now
I
understand
the
ones
you
just
mentioned.
I
understand
what's
going
on
there,
but
that's
just
something
that's
cause
concern
as
I've
reviewed.
The
minutes
you
all
have
spent
did
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
presidential
performance
review
process
and
how
it
works.
F
F
That's
when
we
start
doing
annual
president's
presidential
reviews,
because
that's
what
the
policy
states
from
there
myself
in
general
counsel,
we
looked
at
different
universities
and
we
kind
of
crafted
the
performance
review
process.
We
took
some
pieces
from
uk
and
eku
and
came
up
with
that
review
process
and
we
did
it
on
an
annual
basis.
F
I
would
like
to
state
that
president
brown's
contract
was
not
crafted
by
this
board.
It
was
crafted
by
the
previous
board
chair
and
the
board
wasn't
as
from
my
knowledge
as
a
board
member.
At
that
time
I
was
not.
We
were
not
involved
in
that
crafting
of
that
contract,
but,
based
on
that
contract
is
what
we
had
to
evaluate
him
on.
F
So
there
were
some
goals
and
metrics
in
there
and
we
did
everything
we
could
to
be
as
fair
and
as
rather
than
subjective,
objective
as
possible,
and
we
wanted
to
be
fair
to
the
university
and
as
well
to
the
president,
and
I
feel
very
confident
that
we
did
that
as
a
board
and
all,
but
the
entire
board
was
involved
in
that
process.
All
the
way
through.
F
We
did
hire
consultants
to
come
in
and
conduct
those
evaluations
for
us,
and
I
would
say
that
two
out
of
the
three
years
I
was
we
were
pleased
the
one
year
we
were
not
so
pleased
with
the
consultant,
but
with
that
being
said,
that's
pretty
much
how
the
evaluation
process
went
forward
and
it
was
approved
by
the
board
and
you
probably
there
is
documentation
how
that
occurred,
and
we
followed
and
tried
to
be
fair
to
the
objectives
and
matrix
that
were
in
the
contract.
At
the
time.
F
No,
we
did
not
move
forward
with
that.
With
that
contract
we
had
three
different
consultants
that
did
the
evaluation,
one
being
a
doctor,
renek
one.
The
last
one
was
a
dr
charlie
nams
and
one
one
was
a
dr
anderson
but
the
contract
with
dr
cotton.
We
did
not
pers
continue
with
that
contract
on
that
compensation,
because
some
other
things
were
going
on.
So
we
did
not
continue
that
contract,
but
we
did
not
approve
that
contract.
H
A
Yeah,
representative,
mccool
I'll,
believe
you
have
another
question.
C
Yes,
sir,
if
I
could
please
thank
you
got
two:
if
fma
your,
do,
you
have
a
foundation
and
funding
that
you
can
also
access
if
you
have
monies
and
that
too
with
the
university,
is
it
strong,
solid.
E
There
is
a
kentucky
state
university
foundation,
which
is
a
separate
entity,
but
is
established
for
the
the
support
of
the
educational
mission
of
the
university
and
a
lot
of
their
funds,
as
most
foundations
are,
are
tied
up
in
donor
agreements
related
to
scholarships.
Okay,
but
obviously
we
will
be
working
with
the
foundation
for
any,
and
this
is
something
that
will
continue
when
I'm
with
cpe
working
with
the
foundation
to
determine
whatever
resources
are
available
to
the
university
and
can
be
used
to
help
with
the
budget
over
the
next
couple
of
years.
C
In
the
game
too,
one
other
quick
question,
and-
and
this
I
don't
want
to
throw
dr
thompson
under
the
bus-
hear
anybody
else
from
cpe.
But
you
know-
and
I
appreciate
cp
coming
in
and
helping
and
and
providing
that
guidance
hazard
has
been
any
thought
about.
Maybe
that
cpu
needs
to
be
involved
in
the
presidential
search
and
maybe
you
are
or
even
the
evaluation
of
the
presidents
of
the
colleges,
universities.
F
Cpe
actually
is
travis
powell,
the
vice
president
and
general
counsel
of
cpe
is
the
chair
of
our
presidential
search
and
pretty
much.
We
have
a
consultant
like
breyer
who
is
also
conducting
that,
and
so
we
have,
the
board
gave
them
the
autonomy
to
conduct
their
president
search.
So
cpe
is
very
much
a
part
of
and
really
conducting
with,
assistance
from
the
consultant.
The
search
for
us.
C
A
B
B
We
can
and-
and
questions
were
asked
and
I'll
just
go
on
record
to
say
that
the
information
that
the
board
had
asked
for
in
cpe
had
asked
for
in
the
prior
administration.
We
got
information
there
that
we
found
to
be
somewhat
problematic.
We
didn't
understand
it
to
be
honest
with
you,
because
it
wasn't
aligned
in
a
way
that
we
at
least
saw
it,
but
this
board
did
ask
the
questions
and
they
got
the
answers.
In
my
opinion,
the
answers
were
not
the
correct
answers.
B
So
in
that
regard,
I
think
in
an
evaluation
process
or
a
presidential
search
we
can
offer.
You
know
not
that
I
want
more
work.
As
you
all
know,
I
got
a
little
bit
already,
but
the
idea
that
we
do
have
some
material
and
offer
and
information
and
opportunity
to
offer
a
third
party
perspective.
C
A
F
Right
off
hand,
I
think
I
might
have
that
it
is
designated
in
our
bylaws.
The
number
of
commit
committees
that
we
have
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
have-
and
we
have
discussed
this
several
times-
is
that
what
we
had
done
in
the
past.
As
I
said,
I've
been
on
the
board
now
and
I'm
going
on
almost
eight
years
a
long
time,
but
so
I've
seen
different
reiterations
of
how
the
committees
have
worked.
So
let
me
kind
of
give
you
a
little
history
background
on
that.
F
When
I
first
came
on
the
board,
the
committees
met
on
a
thursday
yeah
thursday,
and
we
the
board,
met
on
a
friday.
I
think
that's
how
it
was,
but
we
had
like
the
committee
meetings
the
day
before
what
we
found,
or
what
I
saw
was
that
sometimes
the
attendance
wasn't
as
it
needed
to
be,
because
you
have
board
members
who
are
full-time
whatever.
F
So
when
we
restructured
and
then
the
committee
meetings
started
to
happen
the
morning
of
the
board
meetings
well
from
those
committee
meetings,
I
would
just
be
very
candid.
F
F
The
days
we
meet
so
that
it
will
really
be
working
committees,
and
so
dr
thompson
and
I
have
had
some
discussion,
but
we
haven't
solidified
or
confirmed
anything
of
what
it's
going
to
look
like.
I
will
say,
chairman
tipton,
that
we
do
have
some
concerns
around
attendance
of
some
of
our
board
meeting
members
and
so
we're
trying
to
accommodate
those
appointed
members
so
that
we
can
get
them
at
the
meetings
and
they
are
engaged
in
the
work.
F
And
sometimes
that
has
been
a
concern
or
issue
for
us
is
having
those
members
in
attendance
at
the
meetings
and
engaged
in
the
work.
So
I
know
that's
a
long
way
around
what
you're
asking,
but
right
now
our
committees
are
not
meeting,
and
that
has
been
a
decision
from
dr
thompson
and
I
because
we
weren't
doing
real
work.
So
now
we
just
doing
all
the
work
in
the
open
public
meetings.
A
A
You
can
get
so
much
work
done
and-
and
I
encourage
you
in
cooperation
with
cpe,
to
try
and
get
that
to
get
that
done.
I
I
guess
I
do
have
concerns
about
your
comments
about
board
member
attendance.
A
A
Okay:
okay,
that's
what
I
thought
and
you
had.
As
I
understand
there
are
three
non-appointed
positions.
I
believe
it's
a
staff,
a
faculty
and
a
student
position.
Yes
on
the
board,
yes,
and
how
many?
How
many
member
appointed
members
are
there
on
the
board?
Eight,
there
are
eight
okay,
so
eight
appointed
three
three
nine
appointed
one
follow-up
question:
the
comment
was
brought
earlier
about
the
foundation
in
reviewing
the
minutes
and,
I
believe,
probably
was
in
the
year
fiscal
year
2020.
A
E
A
I
just
I
just
had
seen
that
in
reviewing
my
minutes.
Does
any
other
member
have
a
question
at
this
time?
Well,
I'll
make
this
comment.
We
want
kentucky
state
university
to
succeed
and
I
kind
of
envision.
There
are
difficulties,
but
I've
learned
in
life
when
you
have
challenges
that
also
presents
opportunities
and
it's
my
hope
and
goal.
This
is
an
opportunity
for
ksu
to
rebuild
rebrand
I'll
use,
one
of
the
modern
terms,
ksu
2.0
and
just
try,
because
there
are
so
many
needs
out
there.
The
state
has
so
many
needs.
A
We
need
nurses,
we
need
educators,
we
need
people
working
in
government.
You
got
such
a
great
land
grant
program
with
the
agriculture
in
your
extension
program.
There's
a
lot
to
offer
and
we
want
you
to
succeed
and
that's
why
I've
brought
house
bill
250
to
the
table
because
I
understand
the
importance
of
it,
but
with
that.
H
Go
ahead,
can
I
just
say
I
want
to
thank
you
for
working
with
the
university
and
in
discussions
with
the
university,
and
you
have
worked
and
tried
to
be
fair
and
objective,
and
I
just
on
behalf
of
myself
as
a
graduate,
but
as
a
colleague
of
yours.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
leadership
that
you
have
provided
to
this
to
us
as
well
as
working
with
us.
So
thank
you
and
thank
you
all
for
your
service
to
the
university.