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A
A
E
Good
morning
always
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
prepare
for
your
committee,
I'm
steve
martin
state
center
for
the
fifth
district.
A
There
is,
I
got
a
motion
representative
bray,
a
second
representative
fleming,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
sub
say
I
any
opposed
substitute.
One
is
before
us.
F
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Yes,
I'm
speaking
on
the
senate
bill
46
portion
of
this
bill
and
I
think
representative
miller,
remember.
We
heard
this
in
state
government
last
year
passed
the
the
senate
committee
and
senate
and
came
over
to
the
house
and
passed
unanimously
there,
but
we
ran
out
of
time
to
get
it
approved.
E
There
were
only
two
bidders
in
in
the
process
and
when
I
asked
you
know
who
had
the
lowest
bid,
the
first
the
testimony
was
well,
then
the
company
rewarded
the
contract
to,
but
on
further
testimony
they
said
well,
not
the
lowest
bid,
but
the
best
bid.
So
well.
What
does
that
mean?
Because
it
was
actually
a
million
dollars
more
than
the
next
bid,
but
it
really
concerned
me
that
for
this
type
of
services
we
only
had
two
people
that
reply
to
the
rfp.
E
A
A
A
H
C
C
The
fact
that
ccmsi
has
held
this
position
as
kentucky's
third
party
administrator
for
its
self-insured
workers
compensation
program.
This
long
receiving
renewals
under
multiple
republican
and
democrat
administrations,
is
testament
to
the
quality
and
unparalleled
service.
My
client
has,
and
continues
to
provide
to
the
people
of
kentucky.
C
Section
three
which,
as
I
said,
was
formerly
senate
bill
46,
seeks
to
prevent
the
award
of
a
government
contract
to
a
bidder
that
procured
an
original,
subsequent
or
similar
contract,
while
using
an
executive
agency
lobbyist
who
is
convicted
of
a
crime
related
to
that
original,
subsequent
or
similar
contract
within
five
years
of
the
conviction
of
the
lobbyist
in
a
vacuum.
Section
three
is
sensible
legislation,
however,
as
written
it's
not
necessary.
C
C
The
fact
is,
jim
sullivan's
conviction
has
absolutely
nothing
to
do
with
my
client
or
my
client's
contract
with
the
personnel
cabinet.
It
was
awarded
long
before
mr
longmire
was
deputy
secretary
or
secretary
of
the
personnel
cabinet,
and
it
has
been
renewed
several
times
since
he
was
in
those
positions.
C
C
This
is
not
a
50
million
dollar
contract,
as
has
been
indicated,
this
is
a
contract
that
is
based
upon
claims
projections.
The
commonwealth
of
kentucky
is
self-insured
in
its
workers.
Compensation
program
when
a
employee
is
injured
and
the
commonwealth
has
to
provide
workers,
compensation,
benefits,
ccmsi
helps
administer
those
claims
and
the
50
million
dollars
that
is
referenced
in
that
contract
relates
to
project
projected
claims
benefits,
ccmsi's
revenues
off
that
contract
are
much
less
and
when
you
factor
in
the
savings
are
far
more
inexpensive
than
any
of
its
competitors
that
have
bid
this
contract.
Since
2005.
C
H
Mr
chairman,
david
covered
most
of
what
I
was
going
to
say,
but
just
to
briefly
add
one
yeah.
I
do
think
this
is
unnecessary
legislation.
There
are
checks
and
balances
already
in
place,
such
as
contract
review,
there's
also
common
sense.
If
there
has
been
activity
that
is
illegal
generally,
the
whoever
is
the
governor,
democrat
or
republican
is
not
going
to
award
a
contract
to
someone
who
is
breaking
the
law,
which
has
not
been
the
case
here.
I
I
think
david
has
gone
over
what
some
of
the
factual
issues
were
with
the
case.
H
There's
nothing
involved
with
mr
sullivan,
mr
longmire,
as
it
relates
to
this
particular
contract.
The
retroactivity
I've
been
up
here
a
long
time.
You
don't
often
see
that
and
going
back
five
years
is
significant.
As
we
all
know,
a
lot
can
change
in
both
politics
and
in
business
in
five
years.
There
are
different
teams
associated
with
it.
H
I
do
worry
that
it
might
have
a
chilling
effect
and
on
top
of
that,
as
we
all
know,
you
know,
the
rfp
process
is
not
the
easiest
thing
to
go
through
senator
meredith
and
I
have
spoken
a
lot
about
the
mco
contracts
that
he's
passionate
about
for
health
care.
I
have
a
client
that
has
won
that
contract
two
years
in
a
row.
We
still
have
not
been
in
place
because
there
are
lawsuits.
H
A
J
B
K
A
K
K
A
L
C
B
A
A
G
G
We
have
a
motion
by
representative
abray
in
a
second
by
representative
dixon.
Are
there
any
questions
from
members.
K
B
Representative
fleming
represented
frasier,
gordon,
yes,
representative,
herron,
yes,
representatives,
yes,
representative
johnson,
yes,
representative,
koenig,
representative
lockett,
yes,
representative,
marzin,
representative
miller,
yes,
representative,
reed,
representative
roberts,
yes
represented
thomas
all
right
represent
a
meredith.
Yes,.
G
Motion
by
representative
miller
and
second
by
representative
koenig,
those
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
any
opposed.
The
title
amendment
is
adopted
as
well.
K
K
M
N
It's
been
a
long
time
since
I've
been
at
this
desk,
so
joni
jenkins,
state
representative,
44th
house
district.
N
Thank
you
very
much
for
considering
house
concurrent
resolution.
I
forgot
the
number
of
it
at
126..
N
This
is
a
resolution
that
urge
urges
the
new
mayor
of
louisville,
jefferson,
county
metro
government
and
the
new
members
plus
the
returning
members
of
metro
council
to
form
a
task
force
to
receive
input
from
all
the
stakeholders
in
louisville,
metro,
business,
constituents
elected
community,
elected
leaders
and
community
leaders
to
provide
recommendations
as
we
move
forward
on
merger.
As
you
know,
from
monday
we've
been
merged,
since
the
legislation
in
2000
merged
government
started
in
2003
and,
as
I
said
on
the
floor,
it
is
always
good.
N
O
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chairman
leader,
old
seat,
mate,
hello,.
O
Just
a
factual
thing
on
the
first
page,
I
think
you're
right
that
that
the
objective
was
to
make
it
the
18th
largest
city
in
the
u.s,
but
it
we're
actually
number
29
right
now.
I
worked
with
gli
yesterday
on
making
sure
where,
where
we
rank-
and
we
are
29th,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
18
was
what
was
bounced
about
20
years
ago,
but
just
factually
now
my
question
has
to
do
with
service
districts.
N
Force
is
part
of
what
constituents
pay
through
their
metro
taxes.
It's
one
of
the
services
that.
O
Government,
just
as
the
people
in
j-town
and
middletown
and
shively
and
prospect
and
st
matthews
pay
extra
because
they
get
they
pay
for
metro,
but
they
really
get
mainly
their
own,
but
that
they
pay
extra
for
well.
N
N
Ems,
so
there
are
a
number
of
services
that
come
from
metro
and
communities
either
through
a
service
district
or
a
recognized
city
can
go
further
than
that
and
police
and
fire
protection
are
one
of
those.
My.
O
Point
is
that
the
need
that
I've
heard
at
least
in
my
district,
is
they
want
police
protection
that
they're
not
receiving
from
lmpd
because,
as
we
all
know,
outside
the
gene
snyder
there's
not.
The
crime
is
not
outside
the
gene
snyder
by
and
large,
it's
or
outside
the
watterson
to
some
extent.
But
it's
actually
in
these
areas
that
don't
have
little
cities,
don't
have
cities
they're
big
enough
to
have
their
own
police
or
they're
just
so
far
away
that
it's
like
ems,
we
always
struggle
with
ems.
O
N
And
I
think
you
and
I
both
know
that
that
there
is
a
issue
with
staffing
at
lmpd,
and
I
think
that
is
one
of
that's
an
excellent
point
that
this
task
force
could
start
to
address
that
they
could
get
input
from
folks
from
all
over
louisville
metro,
as
well
as
work
with
elected
officials,
to
resolve
those
issues.
Yeah.
O
Because
crime
is,
is
I've
surveyed,
my
constituents
for
multiple
years
at
least
four
or
five
and
crime
has
never
been
in
the
top
four
issues
until
this
year
and
it's
number
one
by
fair
margin.
So
that's
what's
top
of
mind
to
people
my
constituents
and
those
outside
the
watterson.
Thank
you,
representative.
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
leader
jenkins,
for
bringing
this.
I
think
this
is
an
answer
to
do.
We
need
some
changes
now.
Do
we
need
some
updates
now
and
what
we've
heard
from
all
of
our
at
least
16
of
our
elected
metro
council
people
is,
they
are
very
willing
to
sit
down
with
all
of
the
the
stakeholders
and
revise
or
rework
or
you
know,
help
with
annexation.
I
know
that
they've
said
they
they've
approved
six
and
annexations
since
2015.
I
not
one
has
been
denied,
so
I
think
this
is
in
concert
with
what
we
passed
in
2000,
where
we
brought
everybody
to
the
table
beforehand.
Republicans
and
democrats,
like
I
said
before
our
county
judge
republican
rebecca
jackson,
gave
up
her
seat.
She
was
so
so
pro-merger
and
making
our
city
a
better
place.
So
thank
you.
N
M
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
leader,
jenkins,
for
bringing
this
as
someone
who
has
been
a
community
activist
and
someone
who's
very
instrumental
in
things.
That's
happened
in
louisville
over
the
last
two
years.
I
think
that
this
is
something
that
we
need.
The
city
of
louisville
is
very
divided
right
now.
M
This
is
a
huge
year
for
us
as
far
as
an
election
year,
and
I
just
think
that
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
try
to
bring
and
bridge
folks
together.
Thank
you.
P
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
leader.
Thank
you
very
much
for
bringing
this
to
me.
I
just
had
a
couple
couple
questions
one.
I
think
on
section
one
it's
on
page
two
two,
it
says
the
present
distribution
of
governments
within
jefferson
county
was
that
just
actually
the
suburban
cities,
as
well
as
the
u.s
or
the
the
service
district,
or
does
that
mean
government
government
and
its
services.
N
The
way
I
read
it,
it
means
the
actual
different
local
entities.
Okay,
what.
P
I
think
it'd
be,
I
think,
it'd
be
expand
it
and
further
define
government
and
its
services,
because
that's
that's
what
we
that's.
What
we're
really
trying
to
look
at
to
see.
N
P
N
P
Okay-
the
other
thing
I
want
to
mention
there
is
there's
no
time
frame
on
the
task
force.
Referring
back
to
the
general
assembly
on
the
recommendations
is
there,
could
you
comment
on
that?
There's?
There
should
be
a
time
frame
with
this.
Well.
N
I
think
we
would
give,
and
we
can
I'm
open
to
that.
We,
I
think
we
would
have
to
give
the
new
mayor
and
new
members
of
the
council
some
time
to
get
their
feet
underneath
them
without
a
doubt,
so
it
probably
would
not
be
likely.
I
don't
think
in
a
short
session
in,
but
we
could
make
sure
that
that
happened
before
january
of
24
yeah.
P
That's
that's
that's
what
I
was
thinking
of.
Yes,
okay,
that'd,
be
fun
and
one
more
question,
mr
chairman,
and
that
is
in
terms
of
this
task
force.
What
what
were
you
envisioning?
No,
it's
not
really
clearly
defined
in
terms
of
number
of
individuals
participating
in
this
task
force.
P
N
And,
and-
and
you
know
my
my
vision
of
this
would
be
that
these
would
be
local
decisions,
that
the
newly
elected
mayor
and
the
council
would
make
those
decisions
right.
P
Yeah
and
I
guess
I
was
turned
to
more
of
a
structure
in
terms
of
what
what
are
their,
what
are
they
wanting
to
be
mindful
of
not
saying
what
they
should
do,
but
basically
what
they
need
to
be
mindful
of
that's
where
I'm
that's,
where
I'm
coming
from
in
terms
of
structure.
N
You
know
it,
it
says:
stakeholders,
business
and
community
leaders,
as
well
as
the
elected
officials.
So
you
know
I
maybe
I'm
being
too
generous
in
assuming
that
the
newly
elected
mayor
and
council
can
make
those
decisions
for
themselves,
and
I
trust
that
they
will
be
inclusive.
Also.
P
I
know
that
the
mayors
on
both
sides
of
the
aisles
they've
got
a
they've,
got
a
pretty
good
organizational
business,
a
perspective
on
things.
So
hopefully
they'll
go
through
and
put
this
infrastructure,
but
that's
why
I'm
just
trying
to
get
to
be
more
structured.
Just.
A
J
Yeah
it
I,
I
would
think
the
task
force
would
be
the
better
and
most
prudent
direction
to
go
in,
examining
louisville
metro
government
and
trying
to
figure
out
what
has
occurred
in
the
20
plus
years
or
so
years
that
it
has
been
in
existence.
It
appears
to
me-
and
I
said
yesterday
on
the
floor-
and
I
said
in
the
committee
that
we
we
discussed
314,
that
that
louisville
lexington
federal
county
government
didn't
have
the
the
blessing
or
the
curse
of
having
those
all
those
cities
included
in
the
boundaries
of
lexington
of
fayette
county.
J
So
everything
in
fayette
county
is
included
in
lfucg,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
part
of
this
discussion
mean
would
be
that
and-
and
I
don't
know
if
that
that
discussion
could
take
place.
But
maybe
this
resolution
concurrent
resolution
would
give
the
the
leaders
of
the
city,
the
louisville
metro,
the
opportunity
to
sort
of
unbag
or
unpackage
what?
J
I
think
that
there
was
an
issue
as
far
as
louisville
metro
and
its
formation
to
be
where
it
is
now,
and
it's
it's
in
my
mind.
It's
hornet's
nest
and
I
think
house
bill
314
is
only
further
is
further
further
poking
that
hornet's
nest,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
can
that.
I
don't
know
that
the
state
or
this
this
body
or
the
general
assembly,
the
house
of
the
senate,
has
the
the
the
wherewithal
to
make
those
changes
and
and
to
be
equitable
to
all
the
people
of
louisville
and
jefferson
county.
N
So
I
think
it
comes
at
a
very
unique
time
and
I
think
is
needed,
no
matter
what
happens
as
house
bill.
314
goes
through
the
legislative
system.
So
thank
you.
A
Any
other
questions
from
members
of
committee.
I
do
need
a
motion
and
a
second
motion
from
representative
marvin
in
second
representative
donohue.
Seeing
no
other
questions
at
this
time
battle
secretary,
please
call
the
roll.
K
Over
the
years,
I
voted
for
many
bills
to
help
louisville,
but
to
urge
the
mayor
when
I
live
in
eastern
kentucky,
I'm
not
voting
for
this.
I
don't
have
a
dog
in
this
fight,
but
I
got
people
up
in
greenham
county
don't
have
food,
they
don't.
We've
got
one
city
that
doesn't
even
have
police
force
so
I'll
vote.
No,
because
we
need
to
put
more
resources
up
there.
K
K
G
D
A
A
K
Thank
you,
chairman
meredith.
I
was
informed
a
while
ago
that
I
drew
the
short
end
of
the
straw.
I
got
him
instead
of
brianna
so
anyway,
this
is
mr
cheney
and
I
let
him
introduce
himself.
A
K
Go
ahead.
Sorry,
I
have
a
individual
in
northern
kentucky
that
is
very
adamant
about
the
chain
about
leaving
111
the
way
it
came
through.
So
can
you
tell
me
what's
in
this
sub,
that's
different.
D
D
There's
other
legislation
I
think,
coming
through
the
process-
that's
not
dealt
with
here,
representative
koenig.
That
would
require
some
additional
reporting
related
to
state
participation,
tiffs,
that
that,
probably
your
constituent
that
I
know
who
it
is
probably
is
concerned
about
all
right.
Thank
you
appreciate.
I
I
have
a
question
as
well,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you.
Would
this?
Would
the
local
options
sales
tax,
have
anything
and
and
to
do
with
any
of
this,
since
that
will
also
be
a
a
local
tax.
D
No
no
ma'am
this.
What
happened
last
session,
as
you
all
know,
there's
a
pretty
extensive
framework
regarding
local
government
city
and
county
decisions
with
regard
to
enter
the
entering
these
tax
increment
financing
agreements,
which
essentially
allow
the
local
government
to
capture
the
incremental
revenue
as
a
result
of
a
project
and
put
it
back
into
the
public
infrastructure.
D
There
are
very
various
representative
mars
in
various
types
of
statutes
where
you
create
local
development
areas
somewhere,
you
just
have
local
participation
and
pledging
of
of
local
taxes,
some
where
you
have
state
participation
and
in
those
instances
the
cabinet
wanted
to
make
sure
and
with
our
state
participation
where
you
all
are
pledging
revenue,
your
incremental
sales
tax
or
your
incremental
income
tax
that
you
all
are
collecting
that
there
be
a
more
extensive
report
from
a
local
government
regarding
that,
unfortunately,
they
amended
in
a
conference
committee
the
wrong
section
of
the
statute
and
applied
that
to
local
only
tiffs,
but
this
would
not
apply
unless
somewhere
down
the
road.
D
I
A
A
A
Senate
bill
111
does
pass
the
favorable
expression
as
amended
by
the
house
committee
substitute.
We
do
have
a
title
amendment.
Do
I
hear
a
motion
on
the
title?
Your
motion,
representative
bray
second
representative
koenig,
all
in
favor
of
adopting
the
title,
say
aye
any
opposed.
We've
adopted
the
title.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Center
schroeder
senate
bill
112.
If
you'd
come
forward,
introduce
yourself
for
the
record,
then
you
may
proceed
with
testimony.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
thank
you
for
having
me
members
good
to
see
you.
I'm
state
senator,
will
schroeder
happy
to
be
here,
and
I
have
a
bill
that
is
dealing
with
inter-local
agreements
and
our
local
agreements
come
about
when
you
have
public
entities
that
are
forming
together
working
together
for
a
mutual
benefit
oftentimes.
This
involves
cities
and
counties.
Hence,
well
we
have
jd
here
with
the
kentucky
league
of
cities.
Q
We
passed
a
bill.
I
guess
two
sessions
ago
and
after
passing,
that
we
realized
there
was
a
discrepancy
in
one
area.
It
required
that
when
you
amended
an
interlocal
and
added
a
party
to
it,
so,
for
instance,
if
you
added
the
city
of
erlanger
to
it
in
one
part
of
the
statute,
it
said
if
you're
only
amending
it
to
add
a
party.
Q
A
K
A
A
L
L
He
didn't
say
anything.
I
know
where
that
that
part
of
the
session,
where
brevity
is
key
so
I'll
keep
it
short.
This
is
a
league
of
cities
bill.
Like
anything
we
do
here
in
frankfurt.
The
pendulum
swings
from
one
direction
to
the
other.
So
years
ago,
cities
were
going
from
private
waste,
hauling
to
public
waste
hauling,
and
there
was
this
formula
set
up
in
this
framework
set
up.
They
had
to
go
through
to
give
everybody
notice
and
get
it
through
the
process.
L
Now
the
pendulum
has
swung,
and
now
more
cities
and
counties
are
going
from
public
waste,
hauling
to
private
waste
hauling,
and
this
this
this
is
a
layer
of
bureaucracy
that
shouldn't
be
there.
Cities
are
basically
having
to
give
notice
to
themselves
to
for
this
stuff
to
flow.
So
it's
basically
a
red
tape
reduction
bill
pulls
that
back
cities
still
have
to
do
bidding.
They
still
have
to
go
through
the
bidding
process
for
everything.