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G
F
At
this
time,
the
bill
we've
got
is
kind
of
a
it's,
not
necessarily
a
cleanup
bill.
It's
a
bill.
That's
going
to
take
alleviate
some
of
the
reporting
requirements
for
our
volunteer
fire
departments,
and
at
this
time
I'm
going
to
let
chuck
bonnet
take
over
the
presentation
and
explain
to
you
the
specifics
of
the
bill.
G
G
It's
not
through
deception
or
anything.
It's
just
breakdown
and
communication
people
not
being
told
they
need
to
do
it,
and
so
we
have
found
a
lot
of
the
information
that
is
requested
is
duplicated
as
well
for
these
non-profits,
it's
information,
that's
already
requested
through
secretary
of
state
that
they
have
to
file
for
their
nonprofits
or
information
we
already
gather.
So
basically,
what
we're
asking
for
here
is
in
lieu
of
the
the
volunteers
having
this
added
work.
G
Put
on
to
complete
this
financial
report
every
year
that,
instead
of
doing
the
compliance
evaluations,
we
do
on
a
four-year
cycle
now
that
we
trade
off
the
paper
reporting
where
we
actually
go
out
every
year,
we've
got
a
we've
hired
a
fourth
evaluation
officer
specialist
that
we
go
out
every
year
and
actually
sit
down
with
the
fire
departments
and
go
through
their
stuff
using
the
the
auditing
procedure
from
the
state
auditor's
office
that
was
enacted
in
the
original
law.
So,
basically,
trading
off
the
paper
paper
report
for
an
actual
face-to-face
visit
annually.
A
I
have
a
motion
on
from
representative
reed.
A
second
representative,
bray
representative
miller,
does
have
a
question.
F
E
Not
on
on
the
first
page
of
defining-
and
I
presume
that
used
to
be
the
volunteer
departments-
you're
defining
it
as
non-profit
fire
department,
I
think
that's
really
a
misnomer,
because
they're
all
non-profit.
G
The
under
under
the
law,
the
way
this
is,
I
guess
and
written,
and
the
way
it
was
assisted
with
us,
there's
four
four
types
of
fire
departments
under
krs
you
got
the
chapter
95,
which
are
cities
right,
67,
county
governments,
the
75's
taxing
and
then
the
chapter
273s
are
unorganized
under
non-profit
status.
So
that's
what
we're
looking
at
is
the
non-profit
volunteers.
That
is
what
we're
trying
to
include
in
this
okay.
A
H
G
Not
not
necessarily
what
what
this
is,
what
we're
asking
for
is
then
the
trade-off
is
for
the
non-profits
under
the
current
law,
all
the
nonprofits
report
every
year,
the
part
you're
referencing
there
is
the
chapter
75
taxing
districts,
they
the
ones
that
rev
generate
revenues
under
100,
000,
currently
report
to
us
on
an
annual
basis
and
we're
not
asking
for
any
changes.
They
would
still
report
their
finances
to
us
on
an
annual
basis,
as
do
the
ones
over
a
hundred
thousand
report
to
the
department
of
local
government.
H
One
more
quick
question:
I
just
I'm
trying
to
thank
you
for
that.
How
many
departments
are
we
talking
about
here,
and
I
asked
the
question
just
to
make
sure
that
one
more
person
is
enough
for
you
to
manage.
G
G
The
fire
fire
commission
director
is
he's
already
wanting
us
to
do
this
on
an
annual
basis
anyway.
Just
so
we
can
get
out
and
help
alleviate
any
problems.
Not
not
you
know,
theft
or
anything
but
alleviate
any
problems
on
the
front
end
before
they
have
four
years.
So
it's
it's
going
to
kind
of
be
a
trade-off
and
be,
I
think,
beneficial
for
all.
D
E
E
A
F
A
I
I
thank
you
committee
members,
mr
chairman,
for
allowing
us
to
present
to
you
today
this
measure
that
is
vitally
important
to
the
safety
of
our
communities
house.
Bill.
414
amends
various
statutes
relating
to
public
safety
personnel
to
ensure
cities
can
recruit
and
retain
the
best
people
for
these
critical
roles.
Our
commonwealth
faces
a
public
safety
personal
personnel
crisis.
I
I
The
bill
removes
the
maximum
maximum
age
that
is
currently
in
statute
for
new
police
hires.
It
allows
cities
to
hire
more
retired
public
safety
personnel
and
it
clarifies
disciplinary
procedures
and
creates
more
flexible
work
schedules,
and
with
that,
mr
chairman,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
miss
brianna
carroll
and
she
will
go
into
more
of
the
weeds
of
what
this
bill
will
do.
J
Thank
you,
chairman
meredith,
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
before
the
committee
on
behalf
of
house
bill
414,
I'm
brianna
carroll,
director
of
public
affairs
for
the
kentucky
league
of
cities.
Kentucky
cities
employ
around
57
percent
of
the
commonwealth's
full-time
law
enforcement
officers
and
around
three
quarters
of
the
state's
violent
crime
arrests.
J
Our
municipalities
spend
around
half
a
billion
dollars
each
year
in
wages
and
benefits
for
our
police
officers.
Many
of
our
cities
have
struggled
to
hire
and
retain
public
safety
officers,
and
the
issue
has
grown
in
the
past
few
years.
Last
summer,
louisville
metro
police
reported
more
than
240
job
openings
and
the
lexington
police
department
needed
to
hire
more
than
100
people
house
bill
414
will
help
cities
of
all
sizes
recruit
and
retain
police
and
other
vital
public
safety
personnel.
J
J
The
measure
also
adjusts
the
number
of
rehired
retired
police
officers
that
a
department
must
pay
retirement
benefits
for
by
establishing
the
immediately
preceding
calendar
year.
Total,
when
calculating
allowances,
currently
that
law
cap
is
figured
based
upon
the
calendar
year
of
2015
when
the
law
was
put
in
place,
a
city
government
employee
that
employed
an
average
of
five
or
fewer
officers
would
still
have
no
limit
in
place
on
the
number
of
retired
officers
that
could
hire
and
forego
their
pension
obligations.
J
This
means
that
departments
can
compare
the
number
of
retired
officers
to
the
current
environment,
not
that
of
seven
years
ago.
Again,
there
is
no
limit
on
how
many
retired
officers
a
city
may
employ.
This
only
pertains
to
those
that
require
a
pension
contribution
house
bill.
414
builds
upon
our
work
to
protect
the
reputations
of
honorable
officers
and
their
departments
by
weeding
out
the
few
who
engage
in
unacceptable
behavior.
J
J
The
measure
amends
the
disciplinary
process
to
allow
more
time
for
a
complaint
to
be
filed
from
three
to
10
days
and
for
the
accused
to
be
served
a
copy
of
the
charges
from
two
to
five
days
and
for
the
accused
to
be
served
a
copy
of
the
charges
from
two
to
five
days.
It
also
clarifies
that
the
disciplinary
proceedings
do
not
pertain
to
chiefs
clerical
employees
or
the
maintenance
staff.
J
J
According
to
our
records,
eight
kentucky
cities
collectively
bargained
with
a
local,
fraternal
order
of
police
lodge.
During
the
interim
session.
You
heard
testimony
about
this
topic
from
henderson
police
chief
heath
cox.
He
explained
that
his
department
moved
to
a
12-hour
work
shift
to
give
his
department
more
flexibility,
and
his
officers
have
experienced
a
better
work-life
balance
house
bill.
414
will
allow
city
officer
officials
to
provide
additional
flexibility
to
their
police
officers
while
reducing
overtime
costs.
Thank
you.
I
A
D
Thank
you
for
your
presentation
today.
In
section
one,
it
talks
about
removing
the
age
limit
46
year
old.
What
would
be
the
requirements?
I
don't
know
what
the
requirements
are
right
now
to
make
sure
that
you're
physically
qualified
to
do
that
job.
If
we're
going
to
remove
the
age
limitation
at
46,
what
would
be
put
in
place
to
assure
that
he
or
her
would
be
able
to
perform
that
operation.
I
Kentucky
still
for
police
officer,
certification
has
what's
known
as
pop
certification,
and
there
is
a
physical
fitness
examination
that
each
potential
employee
must
go
through
and
be
able
to
pass
successfully
in
order
to
apply
regardless
of
their
age.
So
that
does
not
change
that
they
would
have
to
meet
and
pass
that
that
physical
examination
in
order
to
be
able
to
apply
for
or
move
forward
in
the
process.
I
E
E
D
A
A
K
E
H
A
So,
by
way
of
introduction
on
this
bill
house,
bill
377
is
one
of
the
products
of
the
county
clerk's
modernization
task
force
that
took
place
over
the
the
previous
interim
and
the
sponsors
of
this
bill.
I'm
the
primary
sponsor,
but
the
co-sponsors
of
this
bill
are
all
members
of
the
task
force
and
every
single
member
of
that
task
force.
Who
was
a
house
member,
are
co-sponsoring
this
legislation.
A
Representative
thomas
did
give
a
motion
for
the
committee
sub
and
I'll
give
you
a
really
brief
explanation
of
what
the
sub
does,
because
the
sub
changes
are
very
brief
in
in
their
what
they
do.
It
includes
some
suggestions
from
the
state
auditor's
office
to
provide
clarity
with
regard
to
a
couple
of
sections
on
the
bill.
A
It
includes
suggestions
from
the
vendors
for
the
county
clerks
on
defining
what
would
be
included
as
actual
costs
for
maintaining
the
portals
that
we're
talking
about
in
the
bill,
and
it
includes
language
from
the
jefferson
county
clerk
on
redactions
of
social
security
numbers
in
the
online
portals
as
well.
A
This
is
a
work
product
that
is
probably
close
to
two
or
three
years
in
the
making.
We've
had
two
county
clerk
modernization
task
force
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
but
I
am
proud
of
the
work
that
we
put
together
on
this
and
I'm
proud
of
all
the
groups
that
came
together
to
make
this
legislation
and
the
other
legislation
we
passed
a
few
weeks
ago
on
the
house
floor
house
bill
284
about
vehicle
titling
a
reality
in
this
session.
A
The
county
clerks
have
been
outstanding
to
work
with
throughout
this
process,
and
the
business
coalition
of
all
those
groups
I
mentioned
earlier
have
been
great
to
work
with
as
well,
and
this
is
truly
a
consensus
bill
that
is
going
to
lead
us
to
the
modern
era.
The
21st
century.
With
regard
to
our
land
records
in
kentucky
section,
1
of
the
bill
defines
what
recorded
instruments
in
the
portal
is,
and
it
requires
that
by
6,
30
2023
all
clerks
provide
a
portal
that
allows
electronic
filing
by
6
30
2024.
A
A
The
county
must
also
annually
report
the
receipts,
expenditures
and
fund
balances
in
those
funds
to
lrc
each
year.
The
reason
for
that
is
that,
if
there's
a
point
in
time
where
money
is
just
accumulating
in
those
accounts,
it
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
come
back
to
the
table
and
then
repeal
that
fee
section
3
states
that
90
percent
of
kentucky
department
of
library
and
archives
grant
funds
must
go
to
county
clerks
annually
for
records
throughout
this
process.
Reason
for
that.
A
The
only
group
that
pays
into
those
funds
are
records
that
are
being
held
in
the
county,
clerk's
office
and
transactions
that
take
place
in
the
county
clerk's
office.
Currently
those
funds
can
be
expended
for
any
public
agency
and
their
records,
but
the
clerks
are
solely
funding
that
grant
program
at
the
kentucky
department
of
library
and
archives.
A
Section
four
is
an
advancement
clause
for
our
county
clerks
county
clerks
in
counties
under
70
000
start
the
year
with
zero
dollars,
because
the
excess
fee
provisions,
and
sometimes
have
to
actually
borrow
money
to
make
their
first
payrolls
of
the
year
sheriffs
are
allowed
to
get
an
advancement
from
the
state
to
get
their
startup
costs
handled
annually,
and
we
provide
a
similar
situation
for
our
clerks
and
there
is
repayment
language
that
the
clerks
have
to
repay
those
in
the
same
fiscal
or
same
calendar
year
that
those
those
advancements
are
made
section.
A
Five
is
a
very
key
portion
of
this.
We
all
know
that
if
we
pass
a
bill
like
this
with
technology
changes,
it
costs
money
and
we
want
to
make
sure
this
is
not
an
unfunded
mandate
on
our
county
governments
or
on
our
clerk's
offices.
So
we
appropriate
25
million
dollars
in
section
5
of
the
bill
to
the
department
of
local
government
for
grants
to
be
administered
to
our
county.
A
Clerk's
offices
for
the
administration
of
this
priority
is
given
in
this
order,
first
to
county
clerks,
where
no
infrastructure
is
currently
online
for
these
second
to
counties
who
have
limited
or
minimum
infrastructure
and
third
to
counties
that
don't
have
all
of
the
records
uploaded
that
they
are
needed
to
comply
with
the
provisions
of
this
bill
and
those
counties
must
comply
with
the
advertisement
for
bids
and
procurement
processes
of
local
governments
with
regard
to
getting
those
grants.
That
is
what
the
bill
does
section
by
section.
E
D
E
A
A
K
C
Mr
chairman
committee
members,
before
you
today
is
house
bill
453,
which
will
protect
public
assets
while
ensuring
transparency
house
bill
453,
provides
local
governments
the
same
protection
currently
in
statute
for
the
state,
while
selecting
a
successful
bid.
It
also
clarifies
video
teleconferencing
rules
for
meetings,
something
that
all
of
us
are
very
familiar
with
with
the
pandemic.
L
Thank
you,
representative.
Dixon
appreciate
you
carrying
the
bill
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee
good
to
be
here
still
loving,
the
fact
that
we
got
senate
state
and
local
and
local
government
all
all
at
the
same
time
makes
it
makes
it
interesting,
but
I
think
brianna
pulled
it
off
last
week,
better
than
I've
ever
seen.
It
done
with
three
bills
down
there
and
two
two
down
here.
L
L
Caico
has
a
couple
of
suggestions
that
I
think
we've
agreed
to
to
do
a
floor
amendment
on
to
to
provide
some
additional
clarification
that
the
press
association's
also
signed
off
on,
but
this
bill
will
allow
us
to
do
what
state
government
does
with
regard
to
having
a
discussion
in
closed
session
to
discuss
a
local
local
bidder
award
of
a
contract
and
finally
codify.
The
second
major
point
is
codifying
what
you
all
have
done
now,
three
or
four
times
in
senate
bill
150
from
the
2020
session.
L
To
do
video
teleconferencing,
that's
going
to
be
something
that
you
see.
Cities
and
counties
do
a
lot
more
of
as
we
go
along.
We've
seen
that
citizen
participation
in
those
meetings
because
of
those
video
teleconferencing
opportunities
has
really
has
really
grown.
So
this
codifies,
what's
in
senate
bill
150
to
require
only
a
physical
location.
If
you
have
two
or
more
members
at
the
physical
location
at
a
single
physical
location,
but
doesn't
require
you
to
offer
it
at
a
physical
location
and
ensures
the
public
and
the
media
have
notice
of
how
to
access
it
electronically.
L
It's
not
an
open
meeting.
If
you
don't-
and
it's
not
a
good
video
teleconference
open
meeting,
if
you
don't
have
access
for
your
members
of
public
and
the
media
to
see
and
then
the
last
component
of
this
legislation
is
unique
only
to
19
cities
in
kentucky
organized
under
the
city
manager,
former
government
we
heard
from
these
forms
of
government
they
have
a
city
manager,
has
five
bosses
essentially
in
the
city
manager.
L
C
Thank
you
jd
with
that
members
of
the
committee.
I
would
be
happy
to
entertain
any
questions.
A
Motion
on
the
bill
motion
representative,
thomas
second,
representative,
lockett,
question,
representative
miller
or
representative
roberts.
H
Thank
you
first,
thank
you
to
the
sponsor
and
thank
you
jd.
I
appreciate
the
spirit
of
the
spell.
I
have
a
couple
questions
just
to
make
sure
that
this
bill
does
what
we
all
want
it
to
do
so.
The
first
one
I
have
is
in
the
summary
here
it
says,
require
all
public
agency
members
who
participate
in
a
video
telecom
on
camera
all
the
time
that
business
is
being
discussed,
so
some
practical,
real
life
stuff.
H
L
Want
me
to
go:
go
ahead
with
the
language
and
talking
with
the
press
association,
so
the
press
association
representative
roberts
asked
us
to
add
that
line
because
fundamental
in
the
kentucky
open
meetings
act
is
the
right
of
the
public
to
both
see
and
the
public
doesn't
have
a
right
to
comment
at
open
meetings,
but
the
public
always
has
a
right
under
the
open
meetings,
act
to
both
see
and
hear
their
policy
makers,
and
so
we
were
having
situations
brought
up
by
the
press
association
where
we
were
having
people
disable
their
camera.
L
Not,
and
I
asked
that
very
same
question-
you
asked
hey
guys
if
we
put
this
in
here,
what
happens
when
the
council
member
needs
to
go
to
the
bathroom,
or
you
know
you
get
a
a
situation
where
you
might
be
having
a
private
conversation
with
your
spouse
or
something
along
those
lines
that
you
that
you
would
want
to
disable
disable
the
the
camera.
What
happens
in
those
circumstances
and-
and
they
said,
look
if,
if
you're,
if
that
occurs,
you
have
to
obviously
be
there
in
order
to
continue
the
quorum
and
continue
the
meeting.
L
But
that's
not
the
kind
of
situation
that
they're
trying
to
avoid.
So
I
don't
think
now.
We
would
probably
train
with
this
language
that
the
individuals
keep
their
video
on
as
they
step
away.
Hopefully,
they're
not
using
an
iphone
and
going
to
the
bathroom,
but
that
they
would
keep
their
camera
on
on
their
computer
and
go
to
the
bathroom.
But
that's
not
what
I
think
it's
covered
according
to
the
way
the
press
association
interpreted.
It.
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
explanation,
I'll
I'll
just
add,
and
maybe
this
is
something
we
can
work
on
before
the
bill
gets
a
house
floor
vote.
You
know
that
we
still
have
so
many
wi-fi
deserts
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
So
I
get
a
little
bit
worried
that
someone
with
the
right
intentions,
the
best
intentions,
may
be
logging
on
from
their
home
to
attend
one
of
these
meetings,
but
their
wi-fi
signal
is
just
too
weak
to
support
the
video,
and
so
I
just
that
is
a
concern
that
I
have
on
the
bill.
H
If
the
public
agency
provides
a
physical
location
for
the
meeting
or
where
two
or
more
members
of
the
public
agency
are
attending
a
video
conference
meeting
in
the
same
physical
location
that
then
they
must
make
that
location
available
to
the
public
so
again
kind
of
thinking
about
you
know
where
we
have
shortages
and
broadband
access
throughout
the
state
and
I'll
give
you
a
real
life
example
from
from
the
city
that
I
live
in
newport
we
had
a
recent
city
commission
meeting
on
one
of
those
city
manager
forms
of
government.
H
We
had
a
recent
city
commission
meeting
where
one
of
the
commissioners
had
weak
wifi,
and
so
he
serves
alongside
his
cousin
as
a
matter
of
fact,
so
he
went
to
his
cousin's
house
and
the
both
of
them
attended.
The
meeting
from
there
now
would
his
cousin
have
to
open
his
house
to
the
public
in
that
instance,
and
I
don't
think
that's
the
intention
of
the
bill
right.
So
I'm
wondering
if
we
can
work
on
the
language
there.
That
makes
that
a
little
clearer.
L
That's
a
codification
of
the
attorney
general's
opinion
and,
and
so
what
we
had
occurring
during
the
well
we're
still
in
the
pandemic,
but
what
we
had
occurring
early
on
in
the
pandemic,
not
just
with
cities
counties,
but
all
public
agencies
fall
under.
This
is
where
you
would
have
a
county
or
city
any
public
agency,
where
they
would
put
the
whole
entire
legislative
body
in
the
council,
chambers
or
fiscal
court
chambers
and
close
it
off
where
the
media
couldn't
access
and
say:
oh
we're
streaming
this
on
facebook
live,
the
open
meetings.
L
Act
requires
that
that
ability
to
be
able
to
attend,
and
so
the
attorney
general's
opinion
provided
that,
if
you
do
have
a
number
of
people
who
gathered
in
the
same
physical
location,
you
need
to.
You
need
to
advertise
that
location
as
being
accessible
to
the
public
for
the
media
and
the
public
to
come
in.
What's
generally
happened
with
that
weak
wi-fi
and
that
signal
there's
a
provision
existing
in
the
open
meetings
act
that
requires
you
to
stop
the
meeting
until
video
or
audio
is
restored.
So
that's
existing
existing
law.
L
In
that
circumstance,
you
see
those
people
actually
go
or
people
that
may
have
weak
wi-fi,
especially
in
rural
rural
communities,
but
again
I'll
emphasize.
The
fact,
like
I
said
in
the
city
of
newport,
we
have
cities
that
don't
have
the
best
wi-fi
coverage
or
broadband
coverage
either
that
they
would
go
to
the
council
chambers
to
be
with
the
mayor
or
whatever.
So
that
really
pushes
the
fact
that
we're
we
are
in
many
cases
using
physical
locations
and
if
we
are
going
to
open
those
up
that
the
media
has
a
right
to
attend.
C
C
A
Yes,
ma'am
house
bill
453
does
pass
the
favorable
expression
same
on
the
house
floor.
Thank
you
all.
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you,
committee,
member,
seeing
no
other
business
before
the
committee.
I
would
entertain
a
motion
for
adjournment,
got
a
motion
representative
lockett.
Second,
from
representative
gray,
all
in
favor
say
aye.
We
are
adjourned.