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A
Thank
you.
Do
any
members
have
introductions,
let
the
record
reflect.
We
do
have
a
quorum
to
do
business
I
have
a
special
friend,
Dr
Don
schweiker
is
in
the
audience
Don.
Thank
you
for
being
here
he's
an
advisor
to
me
on
medical
issues
and
a
long
time
friend.
It's
always
good
to
see
him
at
the
Capitol
representing
the
Kentucky
Medical
Association.
A
We
are
going
to
get
right
to
our
agenda,
but
before
just
before
I
do
that
I
want
to
report
a
bit
of
good
news.
As
chairman
cook
said,
the
the
staff
has
just
done
a
great
job,
this
committee
and
boy,
you
know
just
working
working
and
we
sure
appreciate
it.
A
Making
us
look
good,
always
with
a
smile
on
their
face
and,
as
you
know,
the
head
of
the
the
staff
Bryce
ambergris
son
has
had
has
cancer
and
has
been
in
Children's
Hospital
under
what
a
transplant
for
the
cancer
and
I
just
was
told
this
morning,
that's
been
successful,
I
know
he's
been
in
our
thoughts
and
prayers
along
with
Bryce
Bryce
is
here
working
today,
he's
just
in
the
office
because
he
didn't
want
to
get
infected,
but
Bryce
is
here
today,
so
we're
very
thankful
for
that
and
I
just
wanted
to.
A
Let
the
members
know
that
Bryce
and
Luke
are
doing
good
doing
better
first
thing
and
only
thing
on
the
agenda
is
House,
Bill,
551
and
act
relating
to
wagering
and
making
an
Appropriations.
Therefore
sponsor
Michael,
Meredith
who's.
No
stranger
to
this
committee,
chairman
Michael
Meredith,
have
a
seat
and,
of
course,
chairman
of
the
Illinois
committee,
Matt
Cook
also
I.
Think
what
we'll
do?
Let's
shoot
for
about
10
minutes
for
you
guys
and
see
how
that
works,
and
then
10
minutes
for
the
other
side
and
then
we'll
go
from
there.
C
C
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
the
discussion
that
we're
going
to
have
today
is
not
a
new
discussion
here
in
Kentucky
or
Across,
the
Nation,
the
paspa
act
of
1992
was
overturned
in
May
of
2018
by
the
United
States
Supreme
Court,
and
what
that
Supreme
Court
action
did.
Was
it
opened
the
the
door
for
states
to
create
legal,
regulated
marketplaces
for
sports
wagering
prior
to
that?
Only
the
state
of
Nevada
and
a
few
grandfathered
States
that
had
already
been
in
the
program
before
paspa
was
passed.
C
Let
me
be
really
really
clear,
though
this
is
about
legal
regulating
and
making
legal
a
Marketplace
that
already
exists.
If
you
look
the
American
gaming
Association
estimates
that
there's
a
little
over
a
billion
dollars,
wagered
each
and
every
year
in
the
illegal
and
unregulated
marketplaces
in
Kentucky,
just
inside
our
borders
and
when
I
say
illegal
and
unregulated
I'm
talking
about
two
different
sources.
C
For
the
last
NFL
season.
The
Geo
comply
websites
provided
are
Geo
comply
system,
provided
us
with
data
showing
that
over
5
million
checks
were
performed
in
Kentucky
on
181
thousand
unique
accounts
that
already
exist
and
are
registered
with
legal
jurisdictions.
That
border
us
in
Ohio.
In
the
month
of
January,
there
was
a
billion
dollars
bet
in
their
Sports
wagering
program
during
the
first
month,
and
over
1
million
checks
were
done
on
Kentucky
accounts
registered
in
Ohio
during
that
one
month
period
tied
back
to
58
000
unique
accounts.
C
There
was
a
study
done
in
2020
by
Commonwealth
economics
and
I
have
backed
out
the
numbers
that
were
related
to
the
previous
bill
on
this
that
had
online
poker
and
daily
fantasy
in
it
as
well,
because
this
bill
only
focuses
on
Sports
wagering.
That
study
estimated
that
approximately
2.3
to
2.4
billion
dollars
would
annually
be
bet
in
a
Kentucky,
Sports
wagering
program
and
that
that
would
bring
in
about
22.3
million
annually
in
tax
revenue
for
the
state
again.
C
I
bring
that
number
up
from
that
study,
because
I
think
it's
important
that
we
know
that
there's
over
a
billion
dollars
bet
illegally
right
now
and
we
know,
there's
a
significant
amount
of
the
marketplace
that
is
just
going
across
the
state
line
across
the
river
to
place
their
Wagers
as
well.
We
don't
have
a
dollar
amount
on
that,
but
it's
pretty
significant.
C
C
It
establishes
a
sports
wagering
fund
that
pays
for
the
regulation
of
the
industry,
and
it
sends
two
and
a
half
percent
of
the
total
tax
revenue
raised
from
it
to
a
problem
gaming
fund
that
is
established
to
help
with
problem
gaming
issues.
Since
the
balance
of
the
money.
After
those
two
parts
are
paid
to
Kentucky's
permanent
pension
fund,
it
makes
the
Kentucky
Horse
Racing
commission
the
exclusive
regulator
and
has
exclusive
jurisdiction
over
Sports,
wagering
and
Licensing.
C
As
far
as
broadening
that
Beyond
just
the
tracks,
though,
we
do
allow
each
track
to
contract
with
up
to
three
service
providers
that
would
provide
either
on-site
wagering
technology
or
technology
for
mobile
and
internet
applications
that
can
contract
with
those
tracks
to
be
licensed
to
be
a
service
provider.
You'd
pay
a
fifty
thousand
dollar
initial
fee
and
a
ten
thousand
dollar
annual
renewal
fee.
C
As
far
as
the
tax
goes,
we
tax
the
adjusted
gross
revenue
from
this
industry
and
adjusted
gross
revenue
is
figured
on
Wagers
placed
less
Wagers
pay
or
winnings
paid
out
less
a
small
excise
tax.
The
federal
government
charges
Sports
wagering
companies,
and
then
you
would
pay
a
9.75
percent
rate
on
any
Wagers
that
are
made
in
person
at
one
of
the
licensed
facilities
on
that
AGR
and
14,
and
a
quarter
percent
on
Wagers
that
are
made
on
a
mobile
device
or
on
the
Internet.
C
C
It
would
also
prohibit
sport
event,
participants
from
wagering
on
events
that
they
participate
in
and
creates
a
Class
A
misdemeanor.
For
that
the
lrc
fiscal
note
that
came
back
just
the
other
day
on
the
proposal
says
that
at
full
implementation
we
should
bring
in
about
22.9
million
dollars
annually
to
the
state
in
taxes
and
license
fees
and
again
that
would
go
to
the
three
sources
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
C
The
regulation
of
the
industry
through
the
racing
Commission
in
the
sports
wagering
Administration
fund
two
and
a
half
percent
of
problem
gaming
and
the
rest
of
the
Kentucky
permanent
pension
fund.
There
are
there
were
numerous
technical
corrections
made
throughout
the
process
on
this
bill,
and
we've
met
with
many
many
different
parties
to
discuss.
It
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
all
might
have
at
this
point.
Thank.
A
You
chairman,
did
you
have
testimony.
D
Chairman
Meredith
needs
no
help
on
this.
He's
worked
tires
tirelessly
on
this
and
I'm
just
hearing
a
roll
of
support
to
help
him
see
this
across
the
Finish
Line.
Just
some
highlights
online
poker's
been
taken
out,
they've
added
two
and
a
half
percent
from
problem
gaming,
which
I
think
is
important
to
all
of
us
and
they've
taken
off
the
12-month
in-person
sign
up
and
we're
talking
23
million
dollars
in
tax
revenue
for
something
that
our
constituents
all
want.
So
I'm
very
much
in
support
of
this,
and
thank
you
all
for
hearing
it.
A
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
staying
well
within
the
time
limit.
We
do
have
several
questions
and
I
think
we'll
go
ahead
and
take
questions
from
you
all
and
see
where
this
goes.
The
first
one
is
from
Senator
McDaniel.
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
guys,
thanks
for
the
bill
today
and
as
chairman
Meredith
thanks
for
talking
me
through
some
things
this
morning,
there's
some
Kentucky
has
some
interesting
Logistics
related
to
who
can
administer
this
versus
other
states
like
Ohio
and
I
had
joked
at
the
beginning
of
session
when
I
wore
my
Cincinnati
Reds
tie-in
that
maybe
I
go
place,
a
bet
on
the
Reds
to
win
the
World
Series
down
at
the
Great,
American
Ballpark
and
then
come
in
with
my
slip.
E
That
being
said,
help
me
help
walk
me
through
this,
please.
So
the
these
are
administered
through
the
tracks
they
kind
of
get
a
master
license
and
then
there's
sub-grantee
licenses
and
the
terms
are
more
Artful
in
here,
as
they
always
are,
but
the
sub-grantee
license
so
like
to
DraftKings
or
something
like
that.
That
also
gets
paid
to
through
the
horse
racing
commission
correct
not
to
the
track.
E
C
E
C
Be
authorized
to
have
the
mobile
application.
That's
what
I
meant
the
mobile
app?
Yes,
the
mobile
application.
Yes,
you'd,
be
able
to
operate
anywhere
on
that
mobile
app.
If
somebody
uses
your
app
through
that
company,
so
you're
not,
but
nothing
in
the
bill
prohibits
those
companies
from
Contracting
with
multiple
tracks.
Frankly,
unless
it's
contractual
with
the
tracks
that
they
set
up
their
their
contracts.
C
A
You
Mr
chairman,
you're,
welcome
the
chair,
recognizes
Senator
Howe.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I've
got
just
a
couple
of
questions
one
following
up
on
what
Senator
McDaniel
was
talking
about
since
we're
talking
a
lot
about
the
the
online
space
here.
Why
do
we
need
a
bricks
and
mortar?
Is
this
just
so
we
can
be
able
to
regulate
this
appropriately,
that
we
have
to
have
some
sort
of
brick
and
mortar
attachment
I.
C
Don't
think
we
have
to
have
a
brick
and
mortar
frankly
Senator.
However,
we
do
put
a
brick
and
mortar
opportunity
in
there.
I
think
folks
think
that
it
could
be
a
good
thing,
drive
people
to
those
facilities
and
some
folks
don't
want
to
bet
from
their
phone.
They
want
to
bet
in
person
they
want
to
use
cash,
they
want
to
be
at
a
location
where
they
can
watch
the
games
and
bet
while
they're
watching
it's
it's
just
consumer
Behavior.
C
F
F
So
in
that
situation
your
earlier
testimony
talked
about
being
able
to
tie
this
directly
to
sports
gaming
and
not
other
issues,
so
the
Technology's
there
that
on
these
sites,
if
they've
got
sports,
betting
or
online
poker,
anything
like
this,
they
they
can
filter
out
parts
of
this
because
I
don't
understand
any
of
this
works.
I
just
have
to
have
a
yes
or
no
answer,
but
but
they
they
can
filter
out
some
betting
platforms
without
filtering
out
all
is
that
correct.
C
That
would
be
correct.
The
Geo
compliance
software
that
they
use
is
very,
very
sophisticated.
It's
not
perfect,
but
it's
very
sophisticated.
As
you
said,
I've
got
the
same
situation.
Senator
I
have
friends
that
on
Friday
afternoons
run
across
the
state
line
in
Tennessee,
it's
a
30-minute
drive
from
from
where
we
live.
They
place
a
wager.
They
come
home
after
work.
C
There's,
there's
also
and
and
I
had
someone
tell
me
just
a
week
or
so
ago
that
they
know
a
parking
lot
on
River
Road
in
Louisville,
where
you
can
go
and
bounce
off
an
Indiana
cell
phone
tower
and
you
can
place
the
wager
without
crossing
the
river
without
actually
paying
that
toll,
that
you'd
have
to
pay
to
go,
take
part
in
it
over
in
Indiana.
So
it's
it's
not
perfect,
but
it's
really
really
strong
in
the
sense
of
the
the
compliance
that
they
they
put
into
these
programs.
Okay,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
A
We
do
not
show
anyone
else
with
any
questions.
That
means
you've
done
an
excellent
job
of
explaining
yourselves.
Thank
you,
gentlemen,
and
now
I
will
ask
the
folks
that
have
much
people
signed
up,
but
I
always
like
to
work
together
in
this
committee,
so
everybody
that
doesn't
like
this
bill.
Why
don't
you
come
forward
we'll
see
how
many
we've
got.
A
Welcome
gentlemen:
I
know
most
of
you
good
to
see
you
here
before
our
committee.
Let's
try
I
know
with
four
of
you.
This
might
be
a
bit
of
a
challenge,
but
I
know
you
can
do
it.
Let's
shoot
for
10
minutes
and
I
will
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
testimony.
G
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
good
morning,
chairman
schickel
and
committee
Again
David
walls
with
the
family,
Foundation
good
to
be
with
you
all
this
morning
and
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
express
our
concerns
about
House,
Bill
551,
the
family,
foundation's
opposition
to
the
expansion
of
predatory
gambling
is
is
well
known
to
this
committee,
but
with
the
issue
of
this
magnitude,
appreciate
the
opportunity
again
to
lay
out
our
concerns.
Predatory
gambling,
especially
in
the
expansive
form,
that's
being
considered
in
House
Bill
551,
is
not
a
victimless
form
of
entertainment
or
competition.
G
Government
promoted
gambling,
including
commercialized
Sports
wagering,
will
only
further
harm
kentuckings,
while
bringing
destructive
costs
to
our
families,
communities
across
the
Commonwealth,
more
broken
families,
increased
addictions
and
divorce
and
other
social
costs,
and
unfortunately,
these
social
costs
are
only
Amplified
when
we're
talking
about
online
Sports
and
video
game
betting
being
made
on
already
highly
addictive
cell
phones.
Online
sports
betting
puts
casinos
in
the
pockets
of
millions
and
has
already
LED
some
states
to
report
a
tripling
of
gambling
addiction
problems
and
Magnus.
G
Make
no
mistake,
despite
any
attempts
to
protect
children
from
this
highly
addictive
form
of
gambling.
Commercialized
sports
betting
harms
children
and
radically
changes
the
way
that
children
view
Sports.
The
high
frequency
of
deceptive
ads
by
gambling
operators
serves
to
normalize
gambling
for
kids,
leading
kids
to
believe
that
gambling
is
Central
to
playing
and
watching
sports
children
will
gain
access
to
sports
gambling
apps
on
their
phone.
When
sports
betting
is
legal
and
the
younger
a
child
starts
gambling,
the
more
likely
they
will
become
a
habitual
and
problem
gambler.
G
I
would
urge
this
committee
and
all
the
members
of
the
this
honorable
body
to
consider
for
a
moment
is
the
expansion
of
predatory
gambling
really
good
policy.
In
a
time
when
addictions
of
all
kinds
are
on
the
rise
is
the
expansion
of
predatory
gambling
good
policy
in
a
time
of
continued
High
inflation,
high
gas
prices
and
other
costs
that
are
making
family
budgets
tighter
than
ever.
G
If
a
multi-million
dollar
fund
and
new
government
program
for
problem
gambling
is
needed
to
attempt
to
undo
just
some
of
the
harms
of
this
bill,
wouldn't
kentuckians
be
better
off
without
it
and
finally,
after
just
voting
to
ban
gray
machines
because
of
very
legitimate
concerns
about
every
gas
station
in
this
Commonwealth
being
turned
into
a
mini,
Casino
I
certainly
hope
this
honorable
body
will
not
vote
to
turn
around
and
turn
every
iPhone
in
Kentucky
into
a
digital
casino.
That
kids
will
have.
Access
to.
G
A
Thank
you,
sir,
and
thank
you
and
I
would
tell
the
other
remember
with
your
colleagues
that
those
of
you
who
are
going
first,
you
kind
of
have
an
advantage
but
kind
of
be
respectful.
The
person
that's
going
after
you
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
pursue
with
your
testimony
very.
H
Good,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
my
name
is
Todd
Greg
executive
director
for
Kentucky
Baptist
convention,
I,
appreciate
being
able
to
speak
to
you.
All
I
represent
nearly
2
400
Kentucky
Baptist
Churches
from
Fulton
Florence
from
Paducah
to
Pikeville
in
every
spot
and
community
in
between
many
of
those
in
Louisville
places
where
you
all
live.
Those
churches
are
filled
with
men
and
women
who
work
hard,
pay
taxes
educate
their
children.
H
They
are
servants
to
their
neighbors
they're,
the
ones
that
show
up
when
disaster
strikes
across
our
state
or
anywhere
else,
they're,
the
ones
that
are
at
the
funeral
homes
with
casseroles
and
kindness
and
compassion
for
their
neighbor
and
they've
gone
on
record
year
after
year,
opposing
all
forms
of
expanded
gambling
in
Kentucky
they're,
not
against
it,
because
they
want
to
keep
folks
from
having
fun
or
having
what
is
sold
to
us
as
innocent
and
harmless
entertainment.
They're
oppose
it
because
they
see
the
dangers.
They
recognize
that
extended
gambling
preys
on
poor
people.
H
It's
often
the
poorest
people
of
our
communities,
who
are
most
vulnerable
to
the
Slick
advertisement
and
the
promise
that
the
DraftKings
will
put
out
the
Dual
fans
will
put
out
about
get
rich
quick.
They
oppose
it
because
they
recognize
that
it's
highly
addictive
some
say
it's
as
addictive
as
as
alcohol
or
or
drugs
or
or
smoking.
They
oppose
it
because
it
opposes
a
a
work
ethic.
H
These
are
folks
who
get
up
every
day,
go
to
work
and
earn
their
money
and
and
pay
their
bills,
and
they
understand
that
the
challenges
of
work
and
they
also
understand
the
the
deceitfulness
of
a
get
rich
quick
scheme
they
pose
it.
For
these
reasons
they
pose
it
because
it
creates
losers.
They
also
know
it
invites
corruption,
I
guess.
For
me,
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
comes
to
mind.
H
One
of
the
my
early
experiences
as
a
young
Pastor
in
a
rural
community
in
Kentucky
got
a
phone
call
late
one
evening
from
a
family
in
our
church,
a
couple
with
two
little
boys
and
and
went
to
the
house.
It
was
late
at
night
and
they
husband
and
wife
at
the
kitchen
table,
and
they
were
discussing
what
she
had
just
discovered
that
her
husband
had
had
pawned
almost
everything
they
owned
of
value.
H
He
had
spent
his
entire
paycheck
have
been
doing
this
week
after
week
after
week,
even
took
out
a
loan
against
their
their
home,
their
their
mobile
home,
the
trailer
that
they
lived
in,
and
he
did
it
because
he
had
gotten
addicted
to
a
form
of
legalized
gambling.
Here
in
in
Kentucky,
he
ended
up
leaving
the
state
and
started
a
new
family
somewhere
else
in
another
state.
She
was
left
as
a
single
mom
to
raise
those
two
boys
and
do
the
best
she
could
to
pull
her
life
back
together.
Those
boys
are
now
grown.
H
Men
they're
good
boys.
They
may
one
day
sit
in
the
chairs
that
you're
sitting
in
right
now,
both
of
them
are
qualified
to
do
it,
and
my
guess
is
if
they
were
ever
in
a
place
like
you're
into
day,
their
mother
would
say
boys,
you
know
from
experience.
This
is
not
a
good
idea.
This
hurt
our
family
and
we
don't
need
to
see
more
of
it
in
Kentucky,
there's
a
verse
in
the
Bible
Proverbs
31,
verse,
9
that
says
open
thy
mouth,
judge,
righteously
and
and
plead
for
the
cause
of
the
poor
and
needy.
H
What's
interesting
about
that
verse,
it's
not
just
the
clear
directives
for
leaders
to
open
up
and
to
speak,
to
figure
out
what's
right
and
wrong
and
plead
the
cause
of
the
most
vulnerable.
But
what's
most
interesting
is
the
context
of
that
verse
was
given
from
a
mother
to
her
son.
Her
son
was
King
Lemuel
and
the
mother
was
saying
son.
Here's
your
job
as
a
leader.
Your
job
is
to
open
your
mouth
judge,
righteously
figure
out,
what's
right
and
wrong
and
plead
the
cause
of
the
poor
and
needy
and
I.
H
I
And
clear
again:
Richard
Nelson
with
the
Commonwealth
policy
Center.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
will
try
not
to
be
redundant.
There's
three
reasons.
Why
come
with
policy
centers
opposed
to
House
Bill
551?
We
believe
that
it
has
the
strong
potential
to
corrupt
Sports.
We
believe
that
it
will
likely
accelerate,
addictive
behavior
and
we
believe
that
it
won't
normalize
gambling
to
kids
who
are
vulnerable
to
this
on
their
digital
devices.
I
One
thing
that
hasn't
been
talked
about
is
the
possible
Corruption
of
sports
we've
seen
corruption
in
professional
sports,
Major
League
Baseball
in
1919,
Chicago,
Black,
Sox.
Eight
players
took
bribes
and
conspired
to
throw
the
games.
It
almost
devastated
baseball
because
of
that
every
major
baseball
clubhouse
has
in
a
prominent
place,
rule
21d,
which
says
players,
umpires
or
employees
of
a
team
or
the
league
who
bets
on
a
game.
They're
not
involved
in
will
be
banned
from
Major
League
Baseball
for
a
year.
I
If
they're
involved
in
the
game,
the
ban
is
for
Life
Cincinnati,
Reds,
Pete
Rose,
one
of
the
best
players
of
the
game
is
still
facing
the
consequences
for
betting
on
games
in
college
sports.
Here
in
the
Commonwealth
of
Kentucky,
the
the
men's
basketball
team
for
when
it's
52-53
season,
because
three
of
its
star
players
were
involved
in
point
shaving
in
2008
NBA
ref
Tim
Donahue
was
caught
in
a
gambling
Scandal
betting
on
a
game
that
he
refereed
in.
Those
are
a
few
examples.
I
Some
major
news
outlets
have
brought
to
the
attention
the
dangers
of
sports
gambling
in
the
Atlantic
in
September
of
2021
will
Leach
said
this
in
his
article
entitled
Sports
gambling
is
a
disaster
waiting
to
happen,
betting
on
Tom
Brady's.
Next
completion
may
sound
like
harmless
fun,
but
it's
not.
People
will
forgive
a
lot
in
sports,
but
if
they
do,
but
they
do
have
to
believe
that
the
results
are
legitimate.
Without
that
the
games
are
meaningless.
I
Believe
that
this
will
likely
accelerate
addictive
behavior
to
David
Wall's
point
in
the
past.
You
had
to
go
to
a
certain
venue
to
place
a
bet.
You
had
to
go
to
a
casino
or
a
horse
track
or
somewhere
else,
but
with
this
the
legalization,
the
creation
of
a
framework
of
sports
gambling,
you
will
have
the
possibility
of
having
a
casino
in
your
pocket.
I
A
We
are
over
time,
but
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
give
you
some
leeway
sure
because
I
know
you
have
something
important
to
say
and
then
I'll
have
to
compensate
with
the
other
side.
J
Go
ahead,
it'll
be
quick,
Gene
Cole,
with
the
Kentucky
league
on
alcohol,
gambling
problems
and
substance,
use
disorders,
ditto
to
everything
that
they've
said
and
one
thing
over
in
England
I
know
it's
not
U.S,
but
over
in
England
they
have
statistics
of
over
400
suicides
committed
because
of
gambling
debts
that
just
a
little
over
one
person
a
day
killing
themselves
because
they're
so
deep
in
debt.
They
don't
know
what
to
do.
J
A
A
We
have
a
motion
on
the
bill.
Is
there
a
second?
Let
the
record
reflect.
We
had
a
motion
on
the
Bell
by
Senator
there,
second,
by
senator
nemes,
any
questions
of
this
panel.
Gentlemen,
in
interest
to
fairness.
You
wish
to
to
come
back
up
to
for
equal
time
or
I,
don't
really
think
it's
necessary,
but
the
or
we
can
just
go
ahead
and
vote.
A
C
He's
doing
that,
the
main
issue
that
I
just
want
to
bring
out
was,
if
you
look
at
the
demographics
of
the
the
sports,
better
Across,
the
Nation,
and
there
have
been
a
lot
of
surveys
done
on
this.
One
of
the
things
that
was
brought
up
was
about
this
discouraging
people
from
working
or
discouraging
people
from
from
Thrift,
and
that
kind
of
behavior
encouraging
people
to
not
work
or
things
of
that
nature.
The
average
age
of
the
sports
better
is
about
39
years
of
age.
C
68
percent
of
sports
Bettors
have
a
college
education,
69
percent
of
sports
betters
make
over
forty
thousand
dollars
a
year,
and
62
percent
of
them
are
full-time
employed
with
the
other,
larger
Parts
being
folks
who
are
retired
and
those
who
are
part-time
employed.
So
I
think
that
that
is
some
interesting
data
on
who
the
sports
Bettors
are
in
the
marketplace
today
and
I
would
just
further
go
as
to
say
I,
don't
I,
don't
stand
here
to
debate,
anyone's
morals
or
their
religious
convictions,
and
I've
said
that
over
and
over
again
about
this
bill.
A
K
I
and
I'll
tell
you
why
I'm
not
into
gambling
and
many
of
my
constituents
aren't
either,
but
you
know,
I
I
really
represent
District
22,
but
I
also
represent
the
Commonwealth
and
because
of
this
I
felt
that
letting
it
out
of
committee
and
had
letting
it
allowing
to
have
more
discussion
would
be
would
be
a
good
thing
for
us
here
in
the
Commonwealth
I
do
realize
the
seriousness
of
the
issues
I
do
realize
the
need
to
get
a
handle
on
some
of
the
regulations,
but
should
this
go
to
the
senate
floor,
unlikely
will
be
looking
at
some
other
issues
surrounding
this
whole.
K
L
M
You
Mr
chairman
I'll
vote,
I
and
I'll
say
I
too,
am
not
a
sports
better
I,
don't
like
it
in
particular,
I,
don't
bet
on
probably
anything
outside
the
two
dollar
races
at
ganland.
So
this
for
me,
is
not
a
tremendously
alike,
however,
and
I
also
don't
think
doing
something
to
make
money
is
good
public
policy,
so
I'm
not
a
fan
of
it.
Just
to
say
we're
going
to
raise
some
Revenue,
it's
going
to
pay
down
some
pension
good
things.
That's
not
justification
for
me
to
say
yes
from
a
public
policy.
M
It's
a
dangerous
precedent,
I
think
an
argument
that
being
said
from
just
the
research
on
a
practical
level.
40
of
our
state
already
is
doing
this
and
has
access
to
it.
Sixty
percent.
Don't
so
for
me,
it's
a
practical
issue
of
allowing
that
other
60
to
have
the
same
access
and
have
regulation
on
it.
I
too
am
hesitant,
but
I
think
the
sake
of
the
conversation
moving
forward.
It's
important
to
have
that
on
the
Senate,
so
I
might
ask.
Thank
you.
E
My
vote
and
explains
her
vote
and
explain.
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I'm,
going
to
cast
an
eye
vote
today.
I
want
to
thank
the
pastors
who
came
to
the
room
today.
You
raise
good
and
legitimate
concerns
that
need
to
be
taken
into
public
policy
and
I.
Do
appreciate
your
time
and
testimony
today,
I
think
that
a
couple
of
things
of
note
that
probably
need
to
continue
to
be
addressed.
The
first
is
not
necessarily
in
this
legislation,
but
how?
E
How
does
the
marketing
from
the
service
providers
online
occur
as
a
parent
who
has
six
kids
in
various
states
of
permissions
on
electronic
devices,
particularly
some
of
whom
are
required
for
school
work
to
access?
Apps
I
have
seen
things
pop
up
that
should
not
be
there.
I
would
hope
that
the
industry
will
behave
responsibly
in
that
regard
towards
minors
and
certainly
think
that
some
some
a
look
at
that
in
the
future
is
definitely
worth
it.
E
I
do
maintain
concern
about
the
brick
and
mortar
location
being
restricted
to
a
single
provider.
I
know
the
chairman
said
that
he,
it
wasn't
as
big
of
a
concern
as
the
online
things
I
think
that
he
provided
an
excellent
explanation
of
the
level
of
competition
that
still
exists
there
and
I
will
cast
an
eye
vote.
E
B
N
Thayer
explained
my
vote.
Mr
chairman
vote
and
explain
I
vote
I.
Six
of
our
seven
surrounding
states
are
already
actively
engaged
in
sports
betting,
including
Tennessee,
which
by
all
accounts,
is
a
more
conservative
State
than
Kentucky,
and
they
brought
in
68
million
dollars
for
its
general
fund.
Last
year
alone,
you
can
stand
in
Covington
Kentucky
and
look
across
the
Ohio
river
and
see
a
brick
and
mortar
Sportsbook
location.
N
The
public
wants
this
We
Can't
Stop
people
from
doing
things
that
are
bad
for
them.
There
are
a
lot
of
behaviors
out
there.
That
done
in
excess
are
bad
for
people,
but
my
constituents
want
this.
The
people
of
Kentucky
want
this.
It's
time
that
we
give
them.
The
choice
for
free
will
god-given
free
will
to
engage
in
legal
sports
betting
of
ODI.
B
O
Thomas
Mr
chair
I'd
like
to
explain
my
I
vote.
Please
vote
and
explain.
Thank
you.
I
really
think
Senator
Harper,
Angel
and
Senator
May's
blood
soul
said
it
best
we're
leaving
a
lot
of
money
on
the
table.
I
mean
this
has
been
going
on
for
years
and
I
and
I
have
to
tell
you
not
just
my
constituents
in
Fayette
County
but
across
the
state,
come
up
to
me
all
the
time
and
say
why
don't
we
allow
gaming
here
in
this
state?
Well,
you
know
they
travel
to
Indiana,
they
traveled
to
Ohio.
O
O
O
Half
a
minute
I'll
accept
that
German
sheckle,
we're
in
day
two
of
March
Madness.
How
many
people
do
you
think
here
in
Kentucky
are
going
to
place
a
bet
on
NCAA
tournament?
I
would
tell
you
they're
going
to
be
be
millions
that
are
going
to
be
finding
a
bet
to
place
on
the
NCAA
tournament.
I
think
we
just
got
to
be
realistic
here.
I
think
that's
30
seconds
with
the
chair,
I
vote.
I.
Thank.
A
There
being
nine
yays
one,
nay
no
passes
House
Bill
551
is
passed
with
favorable
expression
that
same
should
pass
congratulations
to
the
bill
sponsor.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
appreciate
you
all.
Is
there
anything
else
to
come
before
the
committee
without
objection,
We,
Stand,
adjourned.