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A
C
A
President
very
good
do
I
have
any
members
that
have
any
announcements
or
any
Communications
any
members
that
have
any
special
guests
this
time,
I'd
like
to
recognize
well,
actually,
I
do
my
daughter,
Creston
Smith
is
here
Crest
stand-ups
everyone
see
you
she's
visiting
with
dad
today,
so
I'm
happy
to
have
her
at
the
Capitol.
Let's
give
her
a
nice.
A
All
right,
let's
get
straight
into
this,
we're
gonna
go
in
order:
Senate
Bill,
161,
Senator
Webb.
If
you
have
anyone
that
wants
to
come
to
the
table
with
you
and
just
to
get
housekeeping
orders
as
you
come
to
the
table,
if
you're
speaking
today,
please
identify
yourself
our
records,
we
we
know
who
we
may
know
who
you
are,
but
we
still
have
to
go
through
that
and
for
any
members.
If
we
have
follow-up
questions
just
come
through
the
chair.
That
way,
we
make
sure
we
respect
all
the
other
members.
D
D
A
E
Just
like
to
say
thank
you
to
all
of
the
Kentucky
River
Senators
for
co-sponsoring.
This
I
was
probably
one
of
two
of
the
main
Kentucky
River
senders.
We
now
have
new
people
in
those
spots
but
I'm
still
on
the
river,
and
we
do
want
to
keep
it
within
our
purview
and
not
out
to
whoever
and
whatever.
Thank
you.
A
A
Move
I
make
a
motion.
Second,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
sign
of
I
I
oppose
likewise
very
good.
It
carries
thank
you
actually
I'm,
honest
I,
see
chairman
Gooch
back
here,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
have
chairman
Gooch
come
up
with
his
bill.
A
F
You
thank
you
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
House
Bill
222,
just
reauthorizes,
the
Hazardous
Waste
Management
fund.
It's
been
in
existence
since
about
1984..
F
F
B
A
Approved
with
expression
that
the
same
Shall
Pass,
what
do
we
have?
Oh,
for
example,
we
already
got
Jack
consent,
so
all
those
in
favor
with
consent
on
House,
Bill,
222.
aye
opposed.
Likewise
just
a
quick
note.
My
daughter
has
pretty
much
grown
up
here
and
they
all
my
kids
refer
to
tiramaguchi's
Uncle
Gooch.
So
it's
good
to
see
Uncle
Gooch
here
with
us.
Thank.
A
All
right
next,
let's
go
back
to
we
have
representative
Freeland
here
we'll
go
to
160.
C
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
House
Bill
160
is
a
clarifying
language.
It's
relating
to
a
bill
we
passed
a
few
years
ago
in
the
House
and
Senate
and
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
we've
worked
together
to
reach
a
consensus
with
all
in
with
our
business
environment.
Also,
our
government
regulators
and
I've
got
Steve.
Robertson
is
here
with
us
today
and
to
help
answer
any
questions
and
Steve.
If
you
would,
you
can
say
a
few
words.
Please.
G
Sure
Steve
Robertson,
with
frost,
Brown,
Todd
yeah.
This
has
been
two
years
in
the
works.
We've
we've
had
a
a
great
experience,
working
with
the
energy
and
environment
cabinet,
to
fix
some
problems
with
the
original
Bill
and
also
we've
been
delighted
to
work
with
Tom
Fitzgerald
former
director
of
Kentucky
Resource
Council,
who
testified
in
support
of
the
bill
in
the
house.
It's
one
of
these
things,
it's
just
a
technical
cleanup
and
thank
you.
A
Motion
sake,
but
we
also
have
someone
signed
up
just
to
speak
Tom
Mr
Fitzgerald.
Do
you
have
anything
you
want
to
add
to
it
all
right
and
at
this
point,
do
we
have
any
questions
all
right?
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
standing
I'll
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
roll.
A
I
this
bill,
House
Bill
160,
is
approved.
A
A
Welcome
I
appreciate
my
colleagues
moving
along
so
quickly
we're
about
caught
up.
Next,
we
have
house
joint
resolution
37.
A
And
so
we
do
have
a
substitute
on
that
as
a
substitute
been
handed
out
to
all
the
members.
If
all
you
members,
please
take
a
look
at
the
substitute.
A
H
H
Thank
you
again.
It's
a
privilege
to
be
here
before
you
today,
and
I'm
also
glad
to
report
that
that
this
house
joint
resolution
has
path
passed.
Both
the
house
committee
and
house
floor
unanimously,
and
it
is
what
we
are
hoping
to
be,
the
the
last
and
final
step
in
eliminating
reformulated
gasoline
from
Jefferson
County
and
areas
of
Oldham
and
Bullitt
County
as
well,
and
really
we're
we're
very
close
to
to
the
point
where
we
can
do
that.
H
But
the
EPA
is
dragging
their
feet
and
taking
the
the
final
steps
and
and
signing
off
on
the
adjustments
to
the
SIP.
So
we
can
remove
reformulated
gasoline
we
want
to.
We
want
to
remove
reformulated
gasoline
before
the
next
sip
is
filed.
We
want
to
remove
it
upon
approval
of
the
EPA
of
the
the
plan
that
we
put
in
place
and
so
really
that's
what
this
resolution
is
calling
for,
that
the
EPA
sign
off.
A
Have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
bill:
do
we
have
any
comments
or
questions
at
this
time
all
right,
so
this
motion
will
be
on
the
bill,
as
amended
by
these
committee
substitute
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
roll.
A
J
A
You
want
to
move
for
consent,
we
have
a
motion,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
sign
of
iron
aye
opposed.
Likewise,
we
have
young
consent.
Thank.
A
Right
we
have
house
joint
resolution,
69
representative
Duvall,
there
see
here
there
he
goes
yeah
very,
very
impressive.
A
fellow
here
I
got
a
chance
to
talk
to
him
a
little
bit
this
week
and
he
has
worked
extremely
hard
of
the
support
and
piece
of
legislation
good
to
have
you
in
front
of
our
committee.
K
Thank
you
and
good
morning.
Thank
you,
members
of
the
committee
and
Mr
chairman
Robert
DeVos
representative
for
district
17.
K
So
I'm
going
to
be
talking
about
how
house
joint
resolution
69
and
what
this
does
is
it
directs
the
governor
to
recognize
the
newly
created
Board
of
radon
safety
as
the
state
entity
to
receive
and
administer
the
EPA
State
indoor
radon
grant
funding
in
accordance
with
statute
by
way
of
background
radon
is
the
second
leading
cause
of
lung
cancer
in
Kentucky,
and
it
literally
kills
thousands
each
year.
K
The
unfortunate
situation
has
been
that
our
state's
radon
program
has
been
in
disarray
for
years
with
little
enforcement
over
the
certification
of
radon
testing
and
mitigation
contractors
without
the
robust
public
health
education
program.
That's
needed
so
therefore,
last
year,
representative
Kevin
bratcher
sponsored
House,
Bill
77
and
it
passed
with
bipartisan
support.
K
90-2
in
the
house,
37-0
in
the
Senate
and
the
governor
signed
that
law
in
signed
it
into
law,
March
31st
2022,
so
as
a
bill
that
everyone
supported,
because
it
really
is,
is
good
policy
for
for
Kentucky,
but
what
it
did.
Basically,
it
put
us
on
a
path
toward
a
more
comprehensive
State
radon
program
through
the
creation
of
an
independent
Board
of
radon
safety
in
in
the
public
protection
cabinet.
K
But
the
funding,
the
key
funding
mechanism
to
oversee
the
enforcement
and
programming
was
never
transferred
from
the
Department
of
Public
Health
over
to
the
new
board
as
House
Bill
77
directed
so
as
previously
referenced
that
this
funding
is
from
the
epa's
state,
indoor,
radon
Grant,
commonly
called
surge,
The
Surge
program
and
so
krs-309.434
specifically
directed
these
surge
funds
to
be
administered
by
the
new
board
of
radon
safety.
K
A
B
A
J
A
A
We
got
this
got
this
new
guy
right,
Senator,
Mills,
I,
guess,
I've
heard
a
lot
about
him.
Pretty
sharp
guy
sharp
dresser.
J
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I
was
really
shocked.
I
just
filed
this
resolution.
Let
me
introduce
myself
Robbie
Mills
state
senator
fourth
district
Northwest
Kentucky
I
filed
this
resolution
just
really
in
support
of
of
the
gas
industry
and
and
the
to
support
Gas
Appliances.
If
you
remember
three
four
months
ago,
there's
a
little
brouhaha
in
the
media
talking
about
gas
stoves
and
possibly
the
alleviating
gas
stoves
and
I
just
wanted
to
be
on
the
record
that
Kentucky
support.
L
A
B
A
L
So
I
want
to
say
that
I
have
a
gas,
stove
I
know
lots
of
people
that
have
gas
stoves,
but
looking
at
this,
this
is
a
resolution.
That's
supposed
to
be
about
the
safety
of
gas
range
stoves
tops
and
I,
don't
see
anything
in
the
resolution.
Data
wise
that
talks
about
the
actual
safety
and
reading
between
the
lines.
L
I
think
that
this
is
probably
it's
directed
to
go
to
the
federal
government,
probably
as
part
of
their
efforts
to
look
into
if
they're
going
to
regulate
gas
stove
tops
and
how
they
might
regulate
gas
stove
tops
just
in
terms
of
process
and
procedure.
I
think
this
body
would
be
better
served
to
wait
and
see
what
the
data
they
collect
says,
look
and
see
what
a
potential
regulation
says
before
weighing
in
on
one
side
or
the
other,
but
I
certainly
appreciate
the
effort
and
I'm
going
to
respectfully
vote
now.
E
I
have
to
say
this
is
the
oddest
resolution
I've
seen
this
year
and
I
was
a
little
bit
like
what,
when
I
saw
it
on
the
agenda
and
I
can't
say
that
I
love
it
because
honestly
I,
don't
like
the
smell
of
gas
and
I,
do
know,
though,
especially
like
all
of
the
Amish
people
down
where
I'm
from
originally
have
all
gas
appliances.
I
mean
gas
refrigerators
I
mean
it's
amazing,
some
of
stuff
and
so
I
think,
there's,
obviously
a
kind
of
a
point
you
probably
didn't
make.
E
Although
I
would
be
more
interested
in
a
little
thicker
day
to
myself
to
find
out
what
this
really
is.
We
definitely
need
to
get
people
help
with
pilot
lights
that
seem
to
leak
smell
and
things.
It's
a
total
health
hazard,
but
in
an
event,
I
will
support
the
effort,
because,
if
it's
getting
to
be
an
issue,
we
might
as
well
get
in
front
of
it
like
not
be
last
like
everything
else.
Thank
you.
A
J
A
Oh
yeah,
until
the
gavel
hits
it's
not
done
all
right,
guys.
Well,
listen!
We've
done
I
appreciate
everyone
moving
very
quickly
today,
especially
this
last
week.
This
could
possibly
be
our
last
meeting,
but
so
we'll
wrap
it
up
here
with
Senate
resolution
49..
A
This
is
going
to
be
what
part
of
the
nomination
duties
required
by
us
as
we
move
nominees
to
the
floor.
This
is
the
vetting
process.
So
this
is
the
point
that
we
have
to
ask
the
tough
questions
and
make
sure
that
whatever
action
is
taken
here
does
not
come
back
to
reflect
poorly
on
our
board
or,
as
I
said
in
the
general
assembly
as
a
whole.
A
So
we're
going
to
go
through
some
questions
as
we
have
our
candidate
come
forward
and
then,
if
you
have
any
other
questions,
please
come
through
the
chair,
Senator
Adams.
You
got
to
come
and
introduce
your
guest
for
us.
M
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
committee
and
I'll.
Just
I'll
be
brief,
because
I'm
popping
in
and
out
of
meetings
but
I
wanted
to
introduce
Mark
nethery,
who
is
the
person
I
sponsored
for
the
Third,
District
fish
and
wildlife?
And
let
me
just
tell
you
how
I
got
to
know
Mark
is
our
new
bird
dog?
M
Is
a
field
bred,
English,
Spaniel
and
she's,
the
smallest
of
all
the
bird
dogs
out
there,
and
he
gave
me
some
nice
books
on
how
to
train
her,
and
so
we
just
got
to
be
friends
over
that.
So
anyways
I
have
enjoyed
my
friendship
with
Mark
and
I.
Guess:
I'll
turn
it
over
to
him.
He's
a
he'll
do
great
and
I'm
going
to
pop
out.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Mr
chairman
and
committee
members.
A
I
That
okay,
Mark
nethery
Louisville
Kentucky
Kentucky
Department
of
Fish
and
Wildlife
Third
District
appointee.
A
A
Well,
let's
get
get
this
knocked
out
as
quickly
as
we
can.
This
what's
important
here
for
us
is
that
we
find
good
candidates
to
fit
all
the
different
roles
that
we
have
to
to
pass.
The
nominees
up
for
so
we're
gonna
go
through
a
series
of
questions
with.
I
A
Help
you
explain
yourself
to
a
lot
of
the
members
up
here,
so
we
understand
you
better
as
we
move
this
nominee
to
the
floor.
This
process
today
would
send
you
to
the
floor,
and
then
you
still
have
to
have
your
floor
boat.
A
We
go
through
the
rules
that
are
set
and
fourth
by
us
or
statute,
there's
really
not
much
guidelines
for
what
we
require,
but
one
of
the
ones
are
and
I'll.
Just
simply
read
it
to
you
is
that
any
person
that
we
put
forward
has
to
have
a
record
where
they
have
not
been
convicted
of
a
felony
offense
in
Kentucky
or
any
other
state
of
law
in
the
United
States
you
have
to
that's.
That
would
make
you
ineligible,
have.
A
I
No
sir
and
I'll
I'm
sure
that
boards
and
commission
has
done
their
vetting
I'm
sure
the
governor's
office
has
done
their
vetting
and
most
likely
the
that
President
Stivers
has
done
his
vetting
out
of
the
office
as
well
too,
but
in
addition
to
that,
some
of
the
roles
that
I
currently
have
hold
today
and
have
held
in
the
past
required
not
only
state
vetting
but
Federal
vetting
I
know
for
a
fact,
I've
been
vetted
by
the
FBI
and
numerous
occasions,
and
even
as
as
far
around
the
world,
the
globe
is
Scotland.
I
I
To
that
point,
I
know
they
even
went
through
my
neighborhood,
knocking
on
my
neighbor's
doors,
because
I
got
a
phone
call
saying.
There's
somebody
asking
a
lot
of
questions
about
you.
So
no,
sir,
the
short
answer
is
absolutely
not.
A
All
right,
very
good,
and
none
of
these
questions
are
made-
are
designed
to
make
anybody
feel
uncomfortable.
A
Have
you
participated
in
any
meetings,
there's
a
thing
that
keeps
coming
back
to
me
and
I'm
sure
some
of
the
members
may
have
heard
this
as
well,
but
they're
is
some
story
out
there
that
a
lot
of
the
people
that
were
nominated
for
this
role
were
asked
and
confidence
if
they
were
appointed
to
it
that
they
would
move
to
remove
the
current
commissioner
Rich
storm.
Was
there
any
potential
that
the
governor
or
any
of
his
staff
ask
you.
I
Heard
it
as
well
and
I've
been
asked
several
times
anyway.
I
don't
want
to
three
four
times.
Perhaps
here's
the
honest,
unequivocal
answer
on
that
no
I
can't
say
because
I
wasn't
there,
but
I
can't
say
what
was
discussed
with
any
of
the
other
appointees.
There
were
three
people
in
the
room
when
I
met
with
the
governor,
the
governor
myself
and
the
heads
of
head
of
boards
and
commissions
at
no
point
was
there
ever
any
discussion
of
that
whatsoever.
I
I
I
can't
how
do
I
want
to
say
this
I've
had
maybe
five
interactions
with
commissioner
storm
one
professionally
when
I
was
asked
to
deliver
one
or
two
two
or
three
resolutions
from
the
the
state
League
of
Kentucky
Sportsman
convention
other
than
that
Third
District
League
of
Kentucky
Sportsman
Christmas
parties,
the
conversations
all
have
all
been
cordial
they've
all
been.
You
know
that's
a
nice
vest
you've
got
on
there.
Things
of
that
nature.
I
I
would
be
extremely
hypocritical
to
sit
here
today
and
say
that
without
any
real
experience
with
an
individual
to
go
on
there
and
condemn
that
person.
So
hopefully
that
answers
your
question,
but
that
conversation
has
not
taken
place
with
me
between
the
governor
between
boards
and
commissions
or
anybody
else
for
that
matter,
and.
A
A
There
is
one
goal
for
us
today
and
that
is
that
as
we
go
forward,
we
want
to
get
as
much
of
that
politics
out
of
this
stuff
and
get
back
to
hunting
and
fighting
the
other
battle
with
barcodes
on
ammo.
We
have
other
issues
that
we
care
about
a
sportsman
to
make
sure
so
that
that's
the
whole
purpose
of
our
questions
is
to
make
sure.
A
A
I
A
Government
is
okay.
Thank
you.
Let's
see,
how
would
you
describe
your
current
relationship
with
your
fellow
members
there
and
Fish
and
Wildlife.
I
Well,
to
be
honest
with
you,
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
interaction
with
the
folks
in
fish
and
wildlife.
I
Today,
in
my
years
past,
when
I
served
three
terms
as
the
lead
Kentucky
Sportsman
president
back
in
2010
to
2013,
approximately
I
had
an
extremely
good
working
relationship,
I
forged
not
only
working
relationships
but
I
forged
friendships
out
of
those
relationships
that
many
of
them
still
exist
today,
even
though
some
of
those
folks,
a
lot
of
those
folks,
have
now
moved
on
down
the
road
commissioner
Steve
Glenn,
who
was
chairperson
at
the
time
when
I
took
over
as
as
president,
you
know
he
just
texted
me
yesterday.
I
He
said
good
luck
on
your
hearing.
I
didn't
even
know
at
that
point.
I
had
a
hearing,
he
that's
how
I
found
out
about
it,
and
he
said.
Let
me
know
how
you
do.
I
want
to
come
to
your
I
want
to
come
to
your
swearing-in,
so
that's
probably
the
best
example:
Stuart
Ray
who,
who
served
who's
a
friend
he
and
I,
actually
ran
against
each
other
or
ran
simultaneously
for
the
Third
District.
Commissioner,
we're
still
friends.
Today
we
just
went
hunting
together
about
two
weeks
ago
on
my
place:
Karen
Waldrop
who's.
I
Now
with
Ducks
Unlimited,
we
had
a
great
relationship,
we
still
touched
base
every
now
and
then
John
gassett,
who,
depending
on
who
you
talk
to
you,
might
get
different
answers,
but
as
league
president
I
was
able
to
mend
fences
between
the
department
and
the
sports
people
and
supported.
We
worked
together
to
support
the
Constitutional
Amendment,
the
right
to
hunting
and
fishing,
and
we
worked
extremely
well
together,
endorsing
and
bringing
in
the
new
sandhill
crane
season
at
that
time.
So
you
know,
I
have
really
no
interaction
with
with
the
current
Commissioners
Ralph,
swallows
who's.
I
A
No,
it
is
and
I
appreciate
that
I
know
these.
Are
you
know
a
lot
of
these
are
subjective
and,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
I'm
praying
to
you
the
best
way
I
can,
and
my
second
one
is
there:
are
you
know
social
media
anymore,
these
cell
phones
and.
I
A
This
stuff
has
changed
the
world
and
I
think
all
of
us
have
probably
put
stuff
on
there
that
we
wish
we
had
not-
or
maybe
we
were
glad
we
did,
but
there's
a
lot
of
presence
anymore
of
social
media.
A
Radio
shows
you
participate
in
a
lot
of
these
and
you
made
a
lot
of
comments
out
there
and
I
can
tell
from
some
of
them
I've
gone
through
some
of
the
dialogue
because
we
have
to
have
to
vet
it
at
your
frustration
and
anger
about
some
of
the
stuff
that
you
know
that
you
feel
likes.
Maybe
Sportsmen
aren't
being
presented
represented
and
some
of
the
stuff
out
there,
but
I
guess
as
I.
Look
through
this
on
the
social
media.
A
You
know,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
good
stuff
out
there
with
awful
stuff.
There's
some
angry
stuff
and
some
concern
and
I
got
a
a
letter
sent
to
me
earlier
today
from
the
director
of
the
fifth
from
the
fish
and
wildlife
I.
Guess
they
do
the
the
Facebook
site,
the
website
social
media.
A
Excuse
me,
it
says,
with
my
current
role
as
director
I'm
responsible
for
our
social
media
and
had
to
spend
several
hours
clearing
past
posts
that
were
negative
and
false
from
Mark
and
several
others,
and
it
was
such
a
disaster
that
our
board
had
to
meet
and
vote
to
completely
change
how
our
site
handles
comets
end
a
quote:
do
you
want
to
respond
to
that.
I
I'll
respond
the
best
I
can
in,
and
somebody
might
help
me
here
with
a
date
but
I'll
just
use
the
I'll
just
use
the
scenario
when,
prior
to
the
election
of
President
Trump
well
prior
to
the
election
of
President
Trump
I
watched
social
media
Facebook,
that's
the
only
social
media
I
participate
in
I
was
really
became,
disgusted
with
with
the
language
with
the
attitude
with
the
vitrol
that
I
thought
very
good
friends.
I
I
just
couldn't
believe
some
of
the
things
that
came
out
of
their
mouth
and
I
was
either
going
to
get
off
social
media
or
I
was
going
to
try
and
do
something
positive,
so
I'm
just
going
to
say
approximately
six
months,
six
months
to
the
prior
to
the
election
of
trump.
As
president
I
made
a
decision
to
only
try
and
do
something
positive
now,
I
honestly
can't
sit
here
and
tell
you
what
I
did
four
years
prior
to
that,
but
I
can,
but
I
can
tell
you
what
I
did
going
forward
from
that.
I
I've
got
a
very
simple
routine.
Every
morning
when
I
get
up
at
4,
30
or
5
o'clock.
For
my
doctor,
I
logged,
my
previous
day's
meals,
that's
supposed
to
help
me
lose
weight,
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
really
working
or
not
and
and
I
checked
my
daily
calendar
of
what
I
needed
of
what
I've
got
on
my
schedule
that
day
and
the
last
the
absolute
and
many
times
it's.
The
first
thing
is
I
put
a
positive
post
out
there
for
the
day
and
I
get
a
lot
of
comments.
I
A
lot
of
positive
comments
about
that,
and
it's
just
you
know
when
I,
when
I
hear
back
how
positive
those
things
are
or
that
it
really
helped
me
today.
That
makes
me
feel
good
I'm
aware
of
comments
that
other
people
have
made
on
social
media,
which
is
what
maybe,
commissioner
Lillard
is
referencing,
but
he
is
quite
frankly
throwing
me
in
a
pool
with
people
that
I
don't
make
comments
like
that
again,
I
go
back
to
what
I
said
earlier.
It
it
serves.
No
purpose.
I
You
can't
social
media
is
great
if
you
want
to
show
pictures
of
your
dogs,
the
meal
at
the
restaurant,
but
to
ever
get
on
social
media
and
try
and
change
someone's
opinion
to
even
present
facts
as
factual
as
something
may
be.
No
one
ever
believes
it.
It's
social
media,
so
you
know
my
response
to
that
is
show
me
and
you'll
probably
get
an
apology
from
me,
but
to
my
recollection
and
again,
I
have
seen
some
very,
very
strong
language
on
on
that
website
or
on
that
Facebook
page
I.
Guess
that's
not
mark
nethery.
A
L
A
Not
sure
who
else
received
some
of
that
stuff
as
well,
let
me
ask
you:
let.
I
Me
just
can
I
share
something
with
you
very
quickly.
Please
do
let
me
just
let
me
just
to
my
point.
Okay,
if
I
can
operate
my
phone,
which
a
couple
of
you
all
learned
that
even
when
I,
when
I
send
emails,
I
make
a
mistake
and
I
apologize
for
that
I
think
there
were
two
of
you
all
I
misreferenced.
I
A
D
Excuse
me
because
people
have
asked
me
to
ask
some
questions,
because
my
family
familiarity
with
the
process-
and
you
know,
I'm
a
member
of
those
sites
too
League
of
Sportsman.
Several
districts
been
on
them
a
number
of
years
and
I've
gotten
several
Communications
from
past
Commissioners
once
again,
because
some
of
them
raised
me
and
some
of
them.
You
know
I've
worked
with
through
the
years
and
they've
not
been
positive,
Mark
and-
and
this
committee's
heard
me
for
years,
saying
that
Sportsman's
battles,
I
mediated
several
issues
for
fish
and
wildlife.
C
D
Years
from
crossbows
to
Seasons
and
because
I
feel
like
Sportsman's
issues
should
be
vetted
in
private.
You
know
amongst
ourselves,
we're
we
all
have
the
basic
North
American
model
goal
in
mind,
and
we
just
really
want
to
do
our
thing
and
and
historically
lead
politics
out
of
it,
and
so
that's
that's
where
I've
always
been,
but
certainly
you
know,
there's
been
some
I
think
the
Courier
Journal
did
an
article
regarding
the
Dr
Angel
issue
with
you,
20
ish,
somewhere.
D
And
that
you
know
the
trying
to
remove
doc,
Angel
and
I
think
there
was
no
substantiated
misconduct
by
doc
angel
in
that
particular.
I
Well,
actually,
if
I
can
correct,
you
Senator,
commissioner
Angel
at
the
time
he
filed
suit
against
the
league
of
Kentucky
Sportsmen
naming
me
and
another
gentleman
who
is
a
director
at
the
time
or
had
been
a
director
at
the
time
it
wasn't.
I
There
was
never
any
proving
of
that.
He
did
get
a
settlement
out
of
it
by
the
insurance
company.
He
claimed
that
at
a
nomination
meeting
and
and
Doc
Angels
passed
away
and
I
don't
want
to
speak.
He'll
love
him
I'm,
just
stating
the
facts.
He
claimed
that
in
my
case,
I
had
gone
around
the
nomination
meeting
with
a
copy
of
a
citation
he
had
received
and
was
telling
people
not
to
vote
for
him,
and
that
was
absolutely
100.
Incorrect
In
fact
I
attended
that
meeting
with
Stuart
Ray.
Commissioner
Stewart.
D
D
However,
you
know
I
also
remember
that
that
time
and
and
it
kind
of
just
correlates
with
what
the
chairman
talked
about
social
media
and
the
fact
that
what
I've
received
and
probably
several
other
members
from
former
Commissioners
and
others
just
talking
about
you
know
like
throwing
bombs
at
the
fish
and
wildlife
for
particular
issues
through
the
years
and
and
then
having
those
interactions.
Oh
and
I
understand
it's
not
been
perfect
and
I
understand,
I've,
criticized
them,
sometimes
too,
and
and
but
I
understand
this.
D
But
again
my
my
main
concern
is
Sportsman's
issues
be
settled
among
Sportsmen
that
we
don't
necessarily
create
issues
or
air
people's
dirty.
Laundry
on
social
media
I
have
seen
some
of
that
in,
in
my
participation
being
a
member
of
some
of
those
sites,
Through
The
Years
in
in
that
you
know
it's
easy
to
say
things.
D
We
regret
sometimes
on
I
have
a
usually
24-hour
rule,
but
so
I
think
you
know
I
I,
but
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
that
I've
received
Communications
from
past
Commissioners
that
I
really
admire
and
respect
and
from
League
members.
D
You
know
I've
got
a
1950
something
League
handkerchief
in
my
office,
so
I
grew
up
in
the
league.
My
dad
grew
up
in
the
league.
I
respect
the
league
and
I
know
that
sometimes
it's
like
siblings.
You
know
fighting
like.
D
Eventually,
we
come
together,
but
you
know
these
are
the
concerns
that
I
have
regarding
that.
But
I
have
a
couple
other
questions
that
have
been
presented
to
me
that
I'd
like
to
present
as
well.
A
Okay,
I
tell
you,
I
think
we
have
two
more
and
then
at
that
point,
I'll
open
it
up
to
all
the
other
members
out
there.
So
just
give
me
one
second
make
sure
we
got
these
covered.
A
Mark,
let
me
ask
you,
who
would
you
say
speaking
about
doc,
Angel
and
all
these
people
that
we
we
know
and
have
served
with
and
hunted
with
and
many
others
out
there?
Of
course,
you
know
sportsmen
are
like
Sailors.
A
They
have
very
strong
opinions,
so
we
get
to
hear
a
lot
about
what
they're
for
what
they're
what
they're
against,
but
with
that
said
who
would
you
say
that
you've
served
with
in
fish
and
wildlife
that
you
would
see
as
a
role
model
to
you,
somebody
that
would
help
us
understand
the
type
of
guy
you
are
by
by
somebody
that
you've
seen
that
we've
worked
with
that?
You
really
admire.
Think
they've
got
the
right
well,.
I
I
would
say:
I
mentioned
Steve
Glenn
earlier
Stuart
Ray.
As
far
as
you
know,
as
far
as
the
Commissioners
go,
oh
gosh
I
can't
believe
I'm
going
to
forget
his
last
name,
doc
rich.
I
He
was
an
absolute
gentleman
and
a
pleasure
to
work
with
and
I'll
never
forget
my
first
Fish
and
Wildlife
Commission
meeting
that
I
came
as
a
league
as
a
league
president
and
Doc
Rich
came
up
to
me.
Took
me
off
to
the
side,
shook
my
hand,
welcomed
me
there.
Just
you
know
made
me
feel
like
I
was
supposed
to
be
there.
I
You
know
a
person
can
only
have
so
many
Role
Models
I
guess.
But
those
were
all
folks
that
served
I
think
well,
the
Sportsman
they
looked
for
compromise
and-
and
you
know
sometimes
the
decisions
are
not
always
popular,
but
as
Steve
Glenn
and
I
had
that
discussion
he
said:
hey,
sometimes
We're
Not,
Gonna,
We're,
Not
Gonna,
agree,
but
but
let's
agree
to
disagree
and
walk
away
and
still
be
friends
about
it
and
I
think
those
are.
A
Oh,
so
you
obviously
we've
had
problems
and
and
we're
trying
to
get.
You
know
fishing
Wildlife
really
focus
on
the
sports
issues.
My
thing
is:
Grouse
I
mean
I'm
not
been
on
them
all
the
time
with
my
guys
down
there
from
vonsel
to
Doug,
Hensley
and
all
of
them
to
try
to
bring
it
back.
So
you
know
we
really
do
care
about
the
issues,
but
the
structure
of
the
way
fish
and
wildlife
is.
You
saw
with
House
Bill.
A
Have
the
board
and
stuff
with
them,
but
in
your
role,
do
you
see
yourself
and
it's
sort
of
a
different
role
as
a
board
member
going
through
the
chairman
or
commissioner,
do
you
see
yourself
as
going
around
straight
to
the
governor,
so
you.
I
I
Somebody
put
my
name
in
the
Hat
for
that
and
it
caught
me
at
a
time
when
I
was
looking
for
something
to
do
to
serve
the
sports
people.
It
was
something
different.
I
have
had
served
my
time
in
the
league
and
really
felt
like
I
had
done
as
much
as
I
could
for
the
league
and
for
the
Third
District
as
well.
I
So
I
accepted
that
it's
an
unofficial
position,
it's
not
in
the
Constitution.
Quite
frankly,
I
think
I've
probably
had.
L
I
I
You
know
if
I,
if,
if
I'm
confirmed
and
I'm
sitting
in
that
Third
District
commissioner
chair
my
obligation
at
that
point,
is
to
the
sports
people
of
the
Third
District
to
communicate
with
them
as
effectively
as
I
can
possibly
communicate
on
issues
that
are
that
are
at
hand
that
the
commission
that
the
commission
and
the
department
are
addressing
and
then
carry
that
information
back
to
the
commission
and
the
other
eight
Commissioners
sitting
around
that
table.
I
No,
it's
we
have
a
job
to
do.
We
have
a.
We
have
a
business
to
run
so
to
speak.
It's
about
an
80
million
dollar
a
year,
business.
A
That
that
was,
and
the
reason
I
asked
and
there's
more
here
and
I'm
afraid
we're
gonna
run
out
of
time,
but
I
had
gone
through
the
Jim
Schrader
interview.
You
had
done
on
November
the
28th
and
was
looking
at
some
of
the
comments
that
you
had
made
in
there
and-
and
that
was
one
that
that
we
wanted
to
really
get
firmed
up,
because
we
don't
want
any
more
problems.
A
Overfishing,
wildlife-
and
we
want
this-
the
structure
to
work
and
if
that
doesn't
work,
the
general
assembly
has
been
more
than
willing
to
step
in,
as
we
approve
with
House
Bill
394,
to
give
guidance,
but
we'd
like
to
have
a
couple
couple
years
of
having
peace
at
Fish
and
Wildlife.
So
we
don't
want
to
set
up
and
then
indirectly
another
go
around.
No,
the
commissioner.
It's
going
to
create
us
more
headaches
and
more
tells
we
want
the
structure
to
work,
and
if
that
structure
doesn't
work,
the
general
assembly
can
fix
that.
I
I
What
yeah
his
thoughts
are?
You
know
I
ask
when
I
received
the
appointment.
Probably
the
very
first
question
I
asked
was:
what
about
the
liaison
position?
Is
that
a
conflict
of
interest?
What
do
we
need
to
do
about
that
and
the
answer
I
got
back?
Was
it's
not
a
conflict
of
interest,
but
you
can
do
whatever
you
want,
if
that,
if
that
is
a
deciding
factor
being
the
Sportsman's
liaison,
if
that's
a
deciding
factor
on
whether
I
get
confirmed
or
not,
I,
absolutely
I
guess
to
further
answer.
Your
question.
I
have
absolutely
no
problem.
A
All
right,
very
good,
Senator
Webb,
please.
D
The
liaison
position,
because
I
as
an
attorney
when
you
play
by
rules
of
the
appearance
of
impropriety
and
there's
an
another
appointee
who
is
a
dear
friend
of
mine
that
also
he
works
for
the
governor
and
he's
his
papers
haven't
been
nobody's
sponsoring
him
at
this
point.
I
assume:
that's
the
reason
why,
but
the
league,
when
did
you
accept
the
liaison
position.
D
D
Was
it
the
legislation?
Was
it
my
bill
regarding
the
autonomy
of
Fish
and
Wildlife
and.
I
I
To
be
honest
with
you,
honestly
I
really
don't
remember,
there
were
a
number
of
bills
that
year
it
may
have
been.
There
is
a
bill.
I
think
last
session
coming
out
of
the
house
and
I
honestly
I,
don't
recall
all
the
details
of
that
bill.
D
D
Do
you
have
any
problem,
I
assume
you
with
the
bills
that
I've
filed
and
have
pending
now
and
passed
last,
this
body
passed
last
year
with
the
help
of
many
members
on
this
committee
regarding
the
autonomy,
the
fish
and
wildlife,
to
try
to
keep
it
fairly
autonomous
in
procurement
and
other
issues
from
the
executive
branch.
You.
I
I
D
I
So
the
liaison
position-
I-
don't
know
if
I
can
explain
this
adequately,
but
I'll
do
my
best.
I
really
view
the
liaison
position
as
a
one-way
Street,
meaning
it's
information
from
the
sports
from
the
sports
people
to
the
governor
what
their,
what
they
have
concerns
about,
not
the
governor
issue,
issuing
mandates
or
dictates
the
other
way
around.
Does
that
make
sense,
I'm.
D
I
And
as
I
said,
you
know
and
I
asked
the
question
because
I
was
concerned
if
there
was
a
conflict
of
interest
in
regard
to
that.
To
be
quite
honest,
it
hasn't
really
been
that
fulfilling
of
a
position.
D
Four
or
five
you
had
and
did
they
vote
count
votes
had
to
have
six.
I
I
was
the
first
nominee
and
then
the
current
commissioner
Ralph
swallows
Charlie's
wishenberger
boy
I
struggled
with
that
name
who
has
reached
out
to
me
since
then
we
met
and
just
talked
that
night
he's
a
nice
young
gentleman
and
then
Rusty
Gaylor.
Who
was
a
past
commissioner.
D
I
think
I
think
that's
all
that
I
have
at
this
time
and
I
appreciate
you
mark.
A
Mark,
let
me
ask
you:
we've
asked
you
a
lot
of
questions,
we
haven't,
let
you
do
a
lot
of
talking,
except
for
explaining.
We
have
a
few
minutes
left
and
we
have
we've
lost
our
core,
even
though
probably
members
are
still
watching
I'm
from
their
TVs,
but
just
briefly
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
background.
Tell
us,
you
know
where.
A
Now
that
I
I
don't
know
I
could
probably
say
for
the
the
Republican
caucus
it's
it's.
It's
probably
been
passed
around.
I
A
native
Kentucky
I'm
61
years
old,
I'm
married
I'm
gonna
touch
on
that
here,
real
quick
for
a
second.
When
you
ask
questions
about
compromise
and
and
well,
let's
just
use
the
word-
compromise
I've
been
married
for
almost
42
years.
If
you
don't
think
I
understand
the
art
of
compromise,
you
haven't
been
married
for
42
years.
I
I
have
two
daughters:
one
lives
in
Indianapolis
she's,
an
RN
working
for
the
Marion
County
Department
of
Health
as
a
epidemiologist.
She
she's
a
disease
she
specializes
and
does
the
outbreak
of
disease
tracking
my
younger
daughter.
Well,
we
all
have
that
little
problem
child
so
we'll
just
move
right
on
past
her
a
little
bit
raising
curls
is
not
easy
lived
in
Jefferson
County,
all
my
life,
my
family
were
all
Farmers
from
Shelby
and
Spencer
County
I
own
a
farm
in
Henry
County.
I
Ironically,
it's
outside
the
Third
District.
It's
in
the
Fifth
District
graduated
from
well
went
to
a
number
of
high
schools
and
secondary
schools
in
Louisville
as
a
result
of
busing,
probably
really
not
relevant.
I
went
to
the
University
of
Louisville
for
a
while,
until
they
kindly
asked
me
well,
they
kindly
informed
me
that
I
apparently
had
other
interests
at
the
time,
I
retired
from
John
Connie
coffee
company,
which
actually
was
where
that
interest
was
lying
at
the
time.
I
With
that
conversation
with
the
University
of
Louisville
and,
quite
frankly,
I
probably
got
the
greatest
education
in
business
that
an
individual
could
ever
get
by
working
for
that
company
and
for
that
gentleman,
I
retired
from
there.
After
wanting
to
buy
the
business,
he
didn't
want
to
sell
the
business
at
the
time
and
it
was
just
a
good
Mutual
parting
of
the
ways
in
turn,
I
came
back
and
did
two
or
three
consulting
jobs
for
him.
Getting
him
ready
to.
A
I
Let's
see
served
as
president
of
the
lead,
Kentucky
Sportsman
for
three
terms
until
I
termed
out
I
was
nominated
by
Senator
McConnell
for
the
Udall
Foundation,
which
I
still
serve
on
today.
In
a
what
the
federal
government
calls
is
a
holdover
status,
my
initial
term
is
expired,
but
until
either
I
say
I'm
finished
serving
or
they
reconfirm
me
or
they
bring
someone
else
forward.
I
continue
to
serve
there
and
we,
if
you're,
not
familiar
with
the
Udall
Foundation,
but
we
work
on
on
issues
of
native
nations.
I
Okay,
we
work
on
issues
of
native
nations,
intergovernment
mediation,
and
then
we
also
offer
scholarships
to
native
nations
peoples
and
those
going
into
Health,
Care
honestly
I'm
an
open
book.
So
you
know
whatever
you
want
to
know.
Ask
me:
I'll,
leave
this
with
you,
but,
as
I
said,
I
have
a
I,
have
a
background
in
farming.
I
own
a
farm
today,
I've
converted
all
the
tillable
pastures
on
the
on
that
farm
into
wildlife
habitat
all
the
all.
The
ponds
have
been
renovated
to
support.
I
A
A
A
Sure
each
one
of
the
members
gets
a
chance
to
take
that
packet,
and
then
we
will
follow
up
with
you,
privately
okay,
okay,
we'll
get
with
Julie
and
we'll
get
stuff
with
you
and
with
that
said,
any
other
questions.
I.
I
And
let
me
say
this:
Senator
I
understand
all
Senators
I
understand
you
all
may
have
received
comments,
I'm,
not
perfect,
I'm
human
and
you
know
when
you're
serving
as
the
league
of
a
Statewide
or
when
you're
serving
as
president
of
a
Statewide
organization.
You
work
at
the
behest
of
your
of
your
districts
of
your
of
your
directors
and
sometimes
those
directions
were
a
little
tough
to
swallow,
but
that
was
the
job
that
they
put
me
in
place
for
again.
A
Foul
language,
I,
just
don't
do
that
and
Senator
Southward
has
a
quick
question.
If
you
don't
mind,
I.
E
Just
want
to
give
parting
thoughts
since
I've
not
engaged
in
any
questioning.
I've
been
listening,
but
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
feedback
from
constituents
and
I've
not
heard
one
bad
feedback
and
I
was
prepared
to
vote.
Yes
and
obviously
we
aren't
able
to
pull
that
all
off
right
now,
but
I
just
want
to
put.
E
The
record
since
we're
in
the
committee
and
almost
all
of
my
colleagues
have
left,
but
just
so
that
everybody
knows
when
we
get
back
together
and
move
this
thing
forward.
I've
I've
heard
all
good
comments
and
and
I
have
some
of
the
people
who
have
been
involved.
Obviously,
part
of
my
district
is
in
Jefferson
County
now,
but
I
represent
a
lot
of
other
area
as
well
around
there,
and
it's
just
been
a
lot
of
good
from
all
over
so
I'm
fully
prepared
to
support
you
and
look
forward
to
working
with
you
in
the
future.
E
A
You
we'll
just
say
you
know,
this
is
a
tough
process
for
all
of
us.
We
get
these
candidates,
it's
a
very
powerful
position,
as
you
know
to
be
appointed
to
so
it
has
to
have
the
due
diligence
that
we
give
to
it.
But
on
our
side,
just
like
you
you
to
find
out
about
me,
you
get
on
and
start
trying
to
get
all
the
information
you.
I
I
A
Like
I
said,
we
will
follow
up
with
you
personally.
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.
Second,
all
those
in
favor
signify.